-- The Pentagon on Wednesday cleared the way for a death penalty trial
against five Guantanamo Bay captives charged with engineering the
Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Retired Navy Vice Adm. Bruce MacDonald, who is in charge of military
commissions, signed off on the capital trial against alleged
mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 46, and four accused co-
conspirators. ...
...
Dead Men don't say: "I'm just a patsy!" very long.
> -- The Pentagon on Wednesday cleared the way for a death penalty trial
> against five Guantanamo Bay captives charged with engineering the
> Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
> Retired Navy Vice Adm. Bruce MacDonald, who is in charge of military
> commissions, signed off on the capital trial against alleged
> mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 46, and four accused co-
> conspirators. ...
> ...
> Dead Men don't say: "I'm just a patsy!" very long.
Proving Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is innocent by proving Directed-Energy
was used to destroy the WTC towers is the LAST THING IN THE WORLD the
9-11 terrorists want to happen, so there will be no federal trial for
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
The people that are saying a federal trial would be "too dangerous"
are telling the truth. It would be too dangerous for Rumsfeld and
the
Pentagon Brass. Check out the last paragraph.
29 December 2009 – Ridgefield Connecticut/Clemson South Carolina –
The
Qui Tam Case of Dr. Judy Wood – Court of Appeals, Second Circuit
Docket Number 08-3799-cv), United States District Court (SDNY) Docket
Number: 07-cv-3314 has been filed in the US Supreme Court in a
petition for writ of certiorari.
An important development occurred in early December when Attorney
Jerry Leaphart wrote to the United States Department of Justice,
National Security Division and to existing United States Department
of
Defense Military Commissions defence counsel for Khalid Sheikh
Mohammed (KSM), who is accused of conspiring in the “officially
described” 9/11 plot.
Jerry Leaphart’s letters outlined the evidence in Dr. Wood’s case and
which has been put into the public record via NIST and other
governmental sources.
In a legal sense, this essentially raises “reasonable doubt” (to put
it no more strongly than that) in regard to the official story of
9/11
and therefore could be used in Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s defence as
“exculpatory” information which the government must provide to KSM’s
defence counsel.
> > -- The Pentagon on Wednesday cleared the way for a death penalty trial
> > against five Guantanamo Bay captives charged with engineering the
> > Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
> > Retired Navy Vice Adm. Bruce MacDonald, who is in charge of military
> > commissions, signed off on the capital trial against alleged
> > mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 46, and four accused co-
> > conspirators. ...
> > ...
> > Dead Men don't say: "I'm just a patsy!" very long.
> Proving Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is innocent by proving Directed-Energy
> was used to destroy the WTC towers is the LAST THING IN THE WORLD the
> 9-11 terrorists want to happen, so there will be no federal trial for
> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
> The people that are saying a federal trial would be "too dangerous"
> are telling the truth. It would be too dangerous for Rumsfeld and
> the
> Pentagon Brass. Check out the last paragraph.
> 29 December 2009 – Ridgefield Connecticut/Clemson South Carolina –
> The
> Qui Tam Case of Dr. Judy Wood – Court of Appeals, Second Circuit
> Docket Number 08-3799-cv), United States District Court (SDNY) Docket
> Number: 07-cv-3314 has been filed in the US Supreme Court in a
> petition for writ of certiorari.
> An important development occurred in early December when Attorney
> Jerry Leaphart wrote to the United States Department of Justice,
> National Security Division and to existing United States Department
> of
> Defense Military Commissions defence counsel for Khalid Sheikh
> Mohammed (KSM), who is accused of conspiring in the “officially
> described” 9/11 plot.
> Jerry Leaphart’s letters outlined the evidence in Dr. Wood’s case and
> which has been put into the public record via NIST and other
> governmental sources.
> In a legal sense, this essentially raises “reasonable doubt” (to put
> it no more strongly than that) in regard to the official story of
> 9/11
> and therefore could be used in Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s defence as
> “exculpatory” information which the government must provide to KSM’s
> defence counsel.
You're starting to make McClung sound rational by comparison. That is
quite an accomplishment.
> > > -- The Pentagon on Wednesday cleared the way for a death penalty trial
> > > against five Guantanamo Bay captives charged with engineering the
> > > Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
> > > Retired Navy Vice Adm. Bruce MacDonald, who is in charge of military
> > > commissions, signed off on the capital trial against alleged
> > > mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 46, and four accused co-
> > > conspirators. ...
> > > ...
> > > Dead Men don't say: "I'm just a patsy!" very long.
> > Proving Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is innocent by proving Directed-Energy
> > was used to destroy the WTC towers is the LAST THING IN THE WORLD the
> > 9-11 terrorists want to happen, so there will be no federal trial for
> > Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
> > The people that are saying a federal trial would be "too dangerous"
> > are telling the truth. It would be too dangerous for Rumsfeld and
> > the
> > Pentagon Brass. Check out the last paragraph.
> > 29 December 2009 – Ridgefield Connecticut/Clemson South Carolina –
> > The
> > Qui Tam Case of Dr. Judy Wood – Court of Appeals, Second Circuit
> > Docket Number 08-3799-cv), United States District Court (SDNY) Docket
> > Number: 07-cv-3314 has been filed in the US Supreme Court in a
> > petition for writ of certiorari.
> > An important development occurred in early December when Attorney
> > Jerry Leaphart wrote to the United States Department of Justice,
> > National Security Division and to existing United States Department
> > of
> > Defense Military Commissions defence counsel for Khalid Sheikh
> > Mohammed (KSM), who is accused of conspiring in the “officially
> > described” 9/11 plot.
> > Jerry Leaphart’s letters outlined the evidence in Dr. Wood’s case and
> > which has been put into the public record via NIST and other
> > governmental sources.
> > In a legal sense, this essentially raises “reasonable doubt” (to put
> > it no more strongly than that) in regard to the official story of
> > 9/11
> > and therefore could be used in Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s defence as
> > “exculpatory” information which the government must provide to KSM’s
> > defence counsel.
> You're starting to make McClung sound rational by comparison. That is
> quite an accomplishment.
so many conspiracy topics, so little time, eh bigdog-lil dickee? round
and round ya go, where yuou stop nobody knows... ahhhh, the life of a
lone nut-SBT groupie.... carry on troll!
> > > > The world's top scientists have proven the World Trade Center was
> > > > destroyed with Directed-Energy; Afghan cavemen don't have that weapon.
> > > > -- The Pentagon on Wednesday cleared the way for a death penalty trial
> > > > against five Guantanamo Bay captives charged with engineering the
> > > > Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
> > > > Retired Navy Vice Adm. Bruce MacDonald, who is in charge of military
> > > > commissions, signed off on the capital trial against alleged
> > > > mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 46, and four accused co-
> > > > conspirators. ...
> > > > ...
> > > > Dead Men don't say: "I'm just a patsy!" very long.
> > > Proving Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is innocent by proving Directed-Energy
> > > was used to destroy the WTC towers is the LAST THING IN THE WORLD the
> > > 9-11 terrorists want to happen, so there will be no federal trial for
> > > Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
> > > The people that are saying a federal trial would be "too dangerous"
> > > are telling the truth. It would be too dangerous for Rumsfeld and
> > > the
> > > Pentagon Brass. Check out the last paragraph.
> > > 29 December 2009 – Ridgefield Connecticut/Clemson South Carolina –
> > > The
> > > Qui Tam Case of Dr. Judy Wood – Court of Appeals, Second Circuit
> > > Docket Number 08-3799-cv), United States District Court (SDNY) Docket
> > > Number: 07-cv-3314 has been filed in the US Supreme Court in a
> > > petition for writ of certiorari.
> > > An important development occurred in early December when Attorney
> > > Jerry Leaphart wrote to the United States Department of Justice,
> > > National Security Division and to existing United States Department
> > > of
> > > Defense Military Commissions defence counsel for Khalid Sheikh
> > > Mohammed (KSM), who is accused of conspiring in the “officially
> > > described” 9/11 plot.
> > > Jerry Leaphart’s letters outlined the evidence in Dr. Wood’s case and
> > > which has been put into the public record via NIST and other
> > > governmental sources.
> > > In a legal sense, this essentially raises “reasonable doubt” (to put
> > > it no more strongly than that) in regard to the official story of
> > > 9/11
> > > and therefore could be used in Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s defence as
> > > “exculpatory” information which the government must provide to KSM’s
> > > defence counsel.
> > You're starting to make McClung sound rational by comparison. That is
> > quite an accomplishment.
> so many conspiracy topics, so little time, eh bigdog-lil dickee? round
> and round ya go, where yuou stop nobody knows... ahhhh, the life of a
> lone nut-SBT groupie.... carry on troll!
Oh, Dave's special new friend is a blatantly racist kook.
Way to go, Healy.
You sure can pick 'em!
Must be that shared love of ad hominem, I guess.
Disgusted Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
> > -- The Pentagon on Wednesday cleared the way for a death penalty trial
> > against five Guantanamo Bay captives charged with engineering the
> > Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
> > Retired Navy Vice Adm. Bruce MacDonald, who is in charge of military
> > commissions, signed off on the capital trial against alleged
> > mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 46, and four accused co-
> > conspirators. ...
> > ...
> > Dead Men don't say: "I'm just a patsy!" very long.
> Proving Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is innocent by proving Directed-Energy
> was used to destroy the WTC towers is the LAST THING IN THE WORLD the
> 9-11 terrorists want to happen, so there will be no federal trial for
> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
> The people that are saying a federal trial would be "too dangerous"
> are telling the truth. It would be too dangerous for Rumsfeld and
> the
> Pentagon Brass. Check out the last paragraph.
Personally I wouldn`t speak ill of those who had the ability to zap
me from space.
> 29 December 2009 – Ridgefield Connecticut/Clemson South Carolina –
> The
> Qui Tam Case of Dr. Judy Wood – Court of Appeals, Second Circuit
> Docket Number 08-3799-cv), United States District Court (SDNY) Docket
> Number: 07-cv-3314 has been filed in the US Supreme Court in a
> petition for writ of certiorari.
> An important development occurred in early December when Attorney
> Jerry Leaphart wrote to the United States Department of Justice,
> National Security Division and to existing United States Department
> of
> Defense Military Commissions defence counsel for Khalid Sheikh
> Mohammed (KSM), who is accused of conspiring in the “officially
> described” 9/11 plot.
> Jerry Leaphart’s letters outlined the evidence in Dr. Wood’s case and
> which has been put into the public record via NIST and other
> governmental sources.
> In a legal sense, this essentially raises “reasonable doubt” (to put
> it no more strongly than that) in regard to the official story of
> 9/11
> and therefore could be used in Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s defence as
> “exculpatory” information which the government must provide to KSM’s
> defence counsel.
On Apr 14, 5:09 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> Personally I wouldn`t speak ill of those who had the ability to zap
> me from space.
Spooks won't use a million dollar drone to kill me. They'll put 50
cents worth of rat poison in my milk while I'm at work.
I would consider it an honor to be murdered by the Central
Intelligence Agency, like so many great American patriots before me,
including President Kennedy; but, I'm not smart enough to write a
book
like "Profiles In Courage." Maybe I could write a book about people
that were murdered by the CIA for writing books telling the truth
about the state-sponsored-terrorist-organization that goes by the
name
of "The Company" and get myself assassinated by a Hebrew hit-man.
That would be cool.
Write a book the CIA doesn't like and "BOOM" goes the dynamite!
Pentagon brass caught with their dirty fingers in the 'assassination
cookie jar' as jury found former Colonel in Special Forces told the
truth in tell-all book exposing CIA-backed assassination attempts and
U.S. government policy aimed at killing its own soldiers during the
Vietnam War.
Col. "Dangerous" Dan Marvin, once asked to assassinate a military
officer at Bethesda Naval Hospital holding damaging pictures of the
JFK autopsy, has "stuck it big time" to the Pentagon brass.
With a recent federal court victory this week revealing hit squads
and
assassinations are accepted military policy, Col. Marvin fought off a
long and costly legal battle for libel concerning statements made in
his controversial 2003 book, The Expendable Elite.
After hearing evidence, the jury quickly decided in Col Marvin's
favor
after only deliberating two hours, coming back with a decision that
essentially quashed any attempts by the Pentagon in calling him a
liar
by what was printed in his book.
"The most difficult part of the whole trial was that the Pentagon
bribed and coerced some of my men to lie on the stand about what
really happened in Vietnam," said Col. Marvin this week on Greg
Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal, where he
emphasized
the importance of the trial verdict, saying it was "an ultimate
victory for the truth and for the American people."
"Originally, years ago when I started working on the book, I made
tape
recordings of the statements of my men in order to back up my story.
We played these tape recordings to the jury and they believed I was
telling the truth and not fabricating anything like the government
contended."
The saddest moment of the trial, according to Col. Marvin, came when
one his former men of Camp A-424 in An Phu, John Strait, took the
stand, saying the tapes were fabrications and the incident reported
in
the book where Col. Marvin talked about saving his life from a mortar
blast was also not true.
"I had talked to John's wife when I found out my men were being
coerced by the CIA to lie and she told me I couldn't talk to John
anymore otherwise they would lose their military pension," said Col.
Marvin. "The incident about saving his life also was, of course,
true
and it saddened me deeply to hear him on the stand."
Col. Marvin in his book also tells how he uncovered the Johnson
administration was funneling weapons and providing safe-havens for
the
enemy during the Vietnam War on the shores of the Mai Cong Delta in
Cambodia
He further accused the Pentagon and President Lyndon Johnson of
slaughtering many innocent American soldiers in furtherance of a
hidden policy to keep the war going at any cost with the intent of
losing, not winning the war.
Col. Marvin's trial centered on this warmongering policy as it
related
to the centerpiece of the book, a CIA mission which Col. Marvin led
with his regiment to kill Cambodian Crown Prince Norodum Sihanouk.
In the book, Col. Marvin recounts the CIA orders he received to kill
the Prince:
"We want you to take care of it, 'Dangerous,' because we believe you
can get the job done. We've been asked to terminate Prince
Sihanouk.Your job will be to bring about his death and make it appear
to have been done by the Viet Cong," the CIA agent told Col. Marvin.
Col. Marvin recalls the mission came from the "highest authority" and
although he accepted, it came with an important stipulation as Col.
Marvin demanded an end to the enemy's safe haven's just inside the
Cambodian borders and the end to the needless killing of American
GI's.
However, when Col Marvin's demands were ignored, he then refused to
carry out the Prince Sihanouk hit, causing the American government to
then turn on Col. Marvin.
"The CIA or the Company, as we called them, then dispatched an ARVN
regiment to kill me and my men for retribution for standing up
against
the CIA," said Col. Marvin. "Our own government turned on us and
would
have killed all of us if it wasn't for the dramatic rescue by ARVN
Lt.
Gen. Quang Van Dang of eight American Green Berets, including myself
and hundreds of South Vietnamese who were fighting with us. Gen. Van
Dang got wind of the hit squad and basically saved our lives. He is a
heroic, brave an honorable man and there is much, much more to his
story.
"In 1989 I learned Van Dang had been exiled to Canada, living in
poverty as a dishwasher in a por section of Montreal. After the
disrupted the CIA hit on our unit, tour government put out a smear
campaign, not wanting him to tell the truth and saying he was a drug
lord. It just wasn't true and I tried for 10 months to go through
diplomatic channels to get him into this country, but nothing worked.
"Finally, I wrote President George H. Bush, saying I would never stop
trying to get Van Dang into the U.S. until I was dead or the Lord
came
to take me. But What I did was slip a little piece of pink paper in
the letter saying, 'I am intimately familiar with you involvement in
the CIA prior to the date you admitted.' And after that it wasn't
more
than two weeks that the authority came down to allow Dang in the
county.
"So I get ready to go get Dang in a rented U-haul and bring him over
the Canadian border in 1989. Two days before I was to leave, I get a
call from a friend in the CIA, saying I and Dang were being set up
for
a Company hit right before the border so I better watch out."
Although Col. Marvin said he had no proof Bush ordered the hit, it is
a fact Bush was the first recipient of the note and being the
President, should have been able to stop any effort to kill Marvin
and
Dang since he obviously gave the official nod to let Dang in the
country based on Col Marvin's note tucked inside the letter.
"I alerted the Senator from New York that there was going to blood on
the border if he didn't do something since I had obtained the
volunteer services of five state troopers who were going to follow me
and Dang in unmarked cars loaded with assault weapons," recalled Col.
Marvin. "The warning to the Senator worked. The day I brought Dang
through customs everything went smooth and I even noticed all the
cars
pulled over to the side of the road a couple miles before the border
checkpoint as it was smooth sailing from there. He has always been an
honorable man and he and his wife, in their 70's now, are still
living
happily in California."
Besides the struggle to vindicate Gen. Dang's good name, Col.
Marvin's
struggle to publish his book was just as difficult.
He first tried to go public with his manuscript almost 20 years ago
when he said "he found the Lord" and was no longer afraid of being
whacked by military assassins who were trained in the same manner he
was through out his career.
After he gathered the inner strength to publish the truth, it took
him
more than 15 years and 120 rejections from publishers to finally get
The Expendable Elite published in 2003 by truth-publisher Kris
Millegan.
"I was just about to give up when I met Kris," said Marvin. "I want
to
say he has stood by me all the way, even when he didn't have to
during
the lawsuit. My lawyer told him he could have backed out since I had
the sole copyright, but Kris stayed with me even in the face of
bankruptcy from the legal bills.
Although victorious in court, Col. Marvin and Millegan remain
hundreds
of thousands in debt, hoping to sell books in order to avert
bankruptcy.
"Remember, the truth will set you free and the Lord will provide,"
said Col. Marvin.
The federal libel lawsuit, ending last Monday, was officially filed
by
the fraternal organization called the Special Forces Association
against Col. Marvin, a group he said t corrupted, bank rolled and
used
as a front-plaintiff by the CIA and Pentagon.
Tim Bates, who followed the trial closely had this to say about the
use of the fraternal organization as a plaintiff against Col. Marvin:
"It is a fact that was brought out in court that the Special Forces
Association financed the entire lawsuit against Col. Marvin and Mr.
Millegan One can only wonder why this association would get involved
in a personal legal battle that has nothing to do with a fraternal
organization. I wonder how many members know how much of their dues
went to fund this fight.
"The letters from the Special Forces Association (SFA) to Millegan
stated they, SFA, had hard evidence to prove the book was nothing but
lies. We can only imagine if the evidence presented in court was all
they had. I also wonder if the members of the SFA agreed to the
spending of their dues for this lawsuit that had to cost in excess of
$100,000. With the truth coming out in court, maybe the SFA
...
> On Apr 14, 5:09 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> > Personally I wouldn`t speak ill of those who had the ability to zap
> > me from space.
> Spooks won't use a million dollar drone to kill me. They'll put 50
> cents worth of rat poison in my milk while I'm at work.
> I would consider it an honor to be murdered by the Central
> Intelligence Agency, like so many great American patriots before me,
> including President Kennedy; but, I'm not smart enough to write a
> book
> like "Profiles In Courage." Maybe I could write a book about people
> that were murdered by the CIA for writing books telling the truth
> about the state-sponsored-terrorist-organization that goes by the
> name
> of "The Company" and get myself assassinated by a Hebrew hit-man.
> That would be cool.
I agree that it would be cool if you died ingesting 50 cents worth
of rat poison, although it`s probably more likely you`ll die from
walking into traffic while looking over your shoulder for Hebrew
hitmen.
> Pentagon brass caught with their dirty fingers in the 'assassination
> cookie jar' as jury found former Colonel in Special Forces told the
> truth in tell-all book exposing CIA-backed assassination attempts and
> U.S. government policy aimed at killing its own soldiers during the
> Vietnam War.
> Col. "Dangerous" Dan Marvin, once asked to assassinate a military
> officer at Bethesda Naval Hospital holding damaging pictures of the
> JFK autopsy, has "stuck it big time" to the Pentagon brass.
> With a recent federal court victory this week revealing hit squads
> and
> assassinations are accepted military policy, Col. Marvin fought off a
> long and costly legal battle for libel concerning statements made in
> his controversial 2003 book, The Expendable Elite.
> After hearing evidence, the jury quickly decided in Col Marvin's
> favor
> after only deliberating two hours, coming back with a decision that
> essentially quashed any attempts by the Pentagon in calling him a
> liar
> by what was printed in his book.
> "The most difficult part of the whole trial was that the Pentagon
> bribed and coerced some of my men to lie on the stand about what
> really happened in Vietnam," said Col. Marvin this week on Greg
> Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal, where he
> emphasized
> the importance of the trial verdict, saying it was "an ultimate
> victory for the truth and for the American people."
> "Originally, years ago when I started working on the book, I made
> tape
> recordings of the statements of my men in order to back up my story.
> We played these tape recordings to the jury and they believed I was
> telling the truth and not fabricating anything like the government
> contended."
> The saddest moment of the trial, according to Col. Marvin, came when
> one his former men of Camp A-424 in An Phu, John Strait, took the
> stand, saying the tapes were fabrications and the incident reported
> in
> the book where Col. Marvin talked about saving his life from a mortar
> blast was also not true.
> "I had talked to John's wife when I found out my men were being
> coerced by the CIA to lie and she told me I couldn't talk to John
> anymore otherwise they would lose their military pension," said Col.
> Marvin. "The incident about saving his life also was, of course,
> true
> and it saddened me deeply to hear him on the stand."
> Col. Marvin in his book also tells how he uncovered the Johnson
> administration was funneling weapons and providing safe-havens for
> the
> enemy during the Vietnam War on the shores of the Mai Cong Delta in
> Cambodia
> He further accused the Pentagon and President Lyndon Johnson of
> slaughtering many innocent American soldiers in furtherance of a
> hidden policy to keep the war going at any cost with the intent of
> losing, not winning the war.
> Col. Marvin's trial centered on this warmongering policy as it
> related
> to the centerpiece of the book, a CIA mission which Col. Marvin led
> with his regiment to kill Cambodian Crown Prince Norodum Sihanouk.
> In the book, Col. Marvin recounts the CIA orders he received to kill
> the Prince:
> "We want you to take care of it, 'Dangerous,' because we believe you
> can get the job done. We've been asked to terminate Prince
> Sihanouk.Your job will be to bring about his death and make it appear
> to have been done by the Viet Cong," the CIA agent told Col. Marvin.
> Col. Marvin recalls the mission came from the "highest authority" and
> although he accepted, it came with an important stipulation as Col.
> Marvin demanded an end to the enemy's safe haven's just inside the
> Cambodian borders and the end to the needless killing of American
> GI's.
> However, when Col Marvin's demands were ignored, he then refused to
> carry out the Prince Sihanouk hit, causing the American government to
> then turn on Col. Marvin.
> "The CIA or the Company, as we called them, then dispatched an ARVN
> regiment to kill me and my men for retribution for standing up
> against
> the CIA," said Col. Marvin. "Our own government turned on us and
> would
> have killed all of us if it wasn't for the dramatic rescue by ARVN
> Lt.
> Gen. Quang Van Dang of eight American Green Berets, including myself
> and hundreds of South Vietnamese who were fighting with us. Gen. Van
> Dang got wind of the hit squad and basically saved our lives. He is a
> heroic, brave an honorable man and there is much, much more to his
> story.
> "In 1989 I learned Van Dang had been exiled to Canada, living in
> poverty as a dishwasher in a por section of Montreal. After the
> disrupted the CIA hit on our unit, tour government put out a smear
> campaign, not wanting him to tell the truth and saying he was a drug
> lord. It just wasn't true and I tried for 10 months to go through
> diplomatic channels to get him into this country, but nothing worked.
> "Finally, I wrote President George H. Bush, saying I would never stop
> trying to get Van Dang into the U.S. until I was dead or the Lord
> came
> to take me. But What I did was slip a little piece of pink paper in
> the letter saying, 'I am intimately familiar with you involvement in
> the CIA prior to the date you admitted.' And after that it wasn't
> more
> than two weeks that the authority came down to allow Dang in the
> county.
> "So I get ready to go get Dang in a rented U-haul and bring him over
> the Canadian border in 1989. Two days before I was to leave, I get a
> call from a friend in the CIA, saying I and Dang were being set up
> for
> a Company hit right before the border so I better watch out."
> Although Col. Marvin said he had no proof Bush ordered the hit, it is
> a fact Bush was the first recipient of the note and being the
> President, should have been able to stop any effort to kill Marvin
> and
> Dang since he obviously gave the official nod to let Dang in the
> country based on Col Marvin's note tucked inside the letter.
> "I alerted the Senator from New York that there was going to blood on
> the border if he didn't do something since I had obtained the
> volunteer services of five state troopers who were going to follow me
> and Dang in unmarked cars loaded with assault weapons," recalled Col.
> Marvin. "The warning to the Senator worked. The day I brought Dang
> through customs everything went smooth and I even noticed all the
> cars
> pulled over to the side of the road a couple miles before the border
> checkpoint as it was smooth sailing from there. He has always been an
> honorable man and he and his wife, in their 70's now, are still
> living
> happily in California."
> Besides the struggle to vindicate Gen. Dang's good name, Col.
> Marvin's
> struggle to publish his book was just as difficult.
> He first tried to go public with his manuscript almost 20 years ago
> when he said "he found the Lord" and was no longer afraid of being
> whacked by military assassins who were trained in the same manner he
> was through out his career.
> After he gathered the inner strength to publish the truth, it took
> him
> more than 15 years and 120 rejections from publishers to finally get
> The Expendable Elite published in 2003 by truth-publisher Kris
> Millegan.
> "I was just about to give up when I met Kris," said Marvin. "I want
> to
> say he has stood by me all the way, even when he didn't have to
> during
> the lawsuit. My lawyer told him he could have backed out since I had
> the sole copyright, but Kris stayed with me even in the face of
> bankruptcy from the legal bills.
> Although victorious in court, Col. Marvin and Millegan remain
> hundreds
> of thousands in debt, hoping to sell books in order to avert
> bankruptcy.
> "Remember, the truth will set you free and the Lord will provide,"
> said Col. Marvin.
> The federal libel lawsuit, ending last Monday, was officially filed
> by
> the fraternal organization called the Special Forces Association
> against Col. Marvin, a group he said t corrupted, bank rolled and
> used
> as a front-plaintiff by the CIA and Pentagon.
> Tim Bates, who followed the trial closely had this to say about the
> use of the fraternal organization as a plaintiff against Col. Marvin:
> "It is a fact that was brought out in court that the Special Forces
> Association financed the entire lawsuit against Col. Marvin and Mr.
> Millegan One can only
On Apr 14, 6:48 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> I agree that it would be cool if you died ingesting 50 cents worth
> of rat poison, although it`s probably more likely you`ll die from
> walking into traffic while looking over your shoulder for Hebrew
> hitmen.
Bud,
Please respect proper usenet protocol and stay on (9-11) topic.
I got a secret
Can you keep it?
Swear this one you'll save
Better lock it, in your pocket
Taking this one to the grave
If I show you then I know you
Won't tell what Shack said
That the 'victims' never lived
Before they were dead
WASHINGTON — A New York congresswoman who represents Manhattan wants
answers to why nearly 3,000 victims of the 9/11 terrorists attacks
weren’t reported in the Social Security Administration’s official
list of deceased Americans.
Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., said her staff started making inquiries
after the errors in the federal Death Master File (DMF) were detected
by Scripps Howard News Service. The file is a public record intended
to protect families of the deceased from identity theft and other
types of fraud.
“While nearly 3,000 individuals were killed on Sept. 11th, the list
does not show an increase in numbers from the typical DMF daily
average,” Maloney said. “A sampling of those names did not yield any
matches in the DMF and confirms their apparent absence.”
She said her staff has contacted the Social Security Administration,
the New York State Department of Health and the New York City
Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, only to receive “conflicting
answers as to why there is a lack of reporting on this matter.”
So Maloney is asking Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue and
the public health commissioners for the state of New York and New
York City, jointly, to account for the reporting error.
“Would you explain why individuals killed on 9/11 would be missing
from the DMF?” Maloney asked in her letters.
__ Contact reporter Thomas Hargrove at hargro...@shns.com.
A New York congresswoman, Carolyn Maloney, wants answers to why
nearly 3,000 victims of the 9/11 attacks weren't reported in the
Social Security Administration’s official list of deceased Americans.
Nearly 3000 victims of 9/11 don't show up as dead.
Jude Larson and his wife Natalie, who were reported to have died on
9/11 in one of the aircraft that hit the World Trade Center, are
found to be still alive. (American Journalism Review, 11/2001)
"The names of about 40 people listed on the toll of World Trade
Center dead are being removed because authorities cannot confirm
their
deaths or even their existences, a city official said." (9 - 11 DEATH
TOLL DROPS AS FAKE NAMES FOUND)
"Sanae Zahani, a 20-year-old woman from Morocco, gained national
attention for the search for her sister who, so she said, had been
working in a bond-trading firm inside the World Trade Center.
"She even told her story on the Rosie O'Donnell show.
"But Zahani never had a sister who lived in New York. Zahani
disappeared when this awkward flaw in her story was
discovered." (Phony 9/11 Deaths)
CBS:
Laurence A. Tisch, CEO -- CFR
Roswell Gilpatric -- CFR
James Houghton -- CFR, TC
Henry Schacht -- CFR, TC
Dan Rather -- CFR
Richard Hottelet -- CFR
Frank Stanton -- CFR
NBC/RCA:
John F. Welch, CEO -- CFR
Jane Pfeiffer -- CFR
Lester Crystal -- CFR, TC
R.W. Sonnenfeidt -- CFR, TC
John Petty -- CFR
Tom Brokaw -- CFR
David Brinkley -- CFR
John Chancellor -- CFR
Marvin Kalb -- CFR
Irving R. Levine -- CFR
Herbert Schlosser -- CFR
Peter G. Peterson -- CFR
John Sawhill -- CFR
ABC:
Thomas S. Murphy, CEO -- CFR
Barbara Walters -- CFR
John Connor -- CFR
Diane Sawyer -- CFR
John Scall -- CFR
Public Broadcast Service:
Robert Mcneil -- CFR
Jim Lehrer -- CFR
C. Hunter-Gault -- CFR
Hodding Carter III -- CFR
Daniel Schorr -- CFR
Associated Press:
Stanley Swinton -- CFR
Harold Anderson -- CFR
Katharine Graham -- CFR, TC
Reuters:
Michael Posner -- CFR
Baltimore Sun:
Henry Trewhitt -- CFR
Washington Times:
Arnaud De Borchgrave -- CFR
Children's TV Workshop (Sesame Street):
Joan Ganz Cooney, Pres. -- CFR
Cable News Network:
W. Thomas Johnson, Pres. -- TC
Daniel Schorr -- CFR
U.S. News & World Report:
David Gergen -- TC
New York Times Co.:
Richard Gelb -- CFR
William Scranton -- CFR, TC
John F. Akers, Dir. -- CFR
Louis V. Gerstner, Jr., Dir. -- CFR
George B. Munroe, Dir. -- CFR
Donald M. Stewart, Dir. -- CFR
Cyrus R. Vance, Dir. -- CFR
A.M. Rosenthal -- CFR
Seymour Topping -- CFR
James Greenfield -- CFR
Max Frankel -- CFR
Jack Rosenthal -- CFR
John Oakes -- CFR
Harrison Salisbury -- CFR
H.L. Smith -- CFR
Steven Rattner -- CFR
Richard Burt -- CFR
Flora Lewis -- CFR
Time, Inc.:
Ralph Davidson -- CFR
Donal M. Wilson -- CFR
Henry Grunwald -- CFR
Alexander Heard -- CFR
Sol Linowitz -- CFR
Thomas Watson, Jr. -- CFR
Strobe Talbott -- CFR
Newsweek/Washington Post:
Katharine Graham -- CFR
N. Deb. Katzenbach -- CFR
Robert Christopher -- CFR
Osborne Elliot -- CFR
Phillip Geyelin -- CFR
Murry Marder -- CFR
Maynard Parker -- CFR
George Will -- CFR, TC
Robert Kaiser -- CFR
Meg Greenfield -- CFR
Walter Pincus -- CFR
Murray Gart -- CFR
Peter Osnos -- CFR
Don Oberdorfer -- CFR
Dow Jones & Co (Wall Street Journal):
Richard Wood -- CFR
Robert Bartley -- CFR, TC
Karen House -- CFR
National Review:
Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. -- CFR
Readers Digest:
George V. Grune, CEO -- CFR
William G. Bowen, Dir. -- CFR
Syndicated Columnists
Geogia Anne Geyer -- CFR
Ben J. Wattenberg -- CFR
> On Apr 14, 6:48 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> > I agree that it would be cool if you died ingesting 50 cents worth
> > of rat poison, although it`s probably more likely you`ll die from
> > walking into traffic while looking over your shoulder for Hebrew
> > hitmen.
> Bud,
> Please respect proper usenet protocol and stay on (9-11) topic.
> Thank you.
> There were NO PLANES.
> There were NO PASSENGERS.
> There were NO MUSLIMS.
> The world's top scientists have proven:
> 9-11 was a military-media black op.
> Anybody that says otherwise is a God Damned Liar.
> I got a secret
> Can you keep it?
> Swear this one you'll save
> Better lock it, in your pocket
> Taking this one to the grave
> If I show you then I know you
> Won't tell what Shack said
> That the 'victims' never lived
> Before they were dead
> WASHINGTON — A New York congresswoman who represents Manhattan wants
> answers to why nearly 3,000 victims of the 9/11 terrorists attacks
> weren’t reported in the Social Security Administration’s official
> list of deceased Americans.
> Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., said her staff started making inquiries
> after the errors in the federal Death Master File (DMF) were detected
> by Scripps Howard News Service. The file is a public record intended
> to protect families of the deceased from identity theft and other
> types of fraud.
> “While nearly 3,000 individuals were killed on Sept. 11th, the list
> does not show an increase in numbers from the typical DMF daily
> average,” Maloney said. “A sampling of those names did not yield any
> matches in the DMF and confirms their apparent absence.”
> She said her staff has contacted the Social Security Administration,
> the New York State Department of Health and the New York City
> Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, only to receive “conflicting
> answers as to why there is a lack of reporting on this matter.”
> So Maloney is asking Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue and
> the public health commissioners for the state of New York and New
> York City, jointly, to account for the reporting error.
> “Would you explain why individuals killed on 9/11 would be missing
> from the DMF?” Maloney asked in her letters.
> __ Contact reporter Thomas Hargrove at hargro...@shns.com.
> A New York congresswoman, Carolyn Maloney, wants answers to why
> nearly 3,000 victims of the 9/11 attacks weren't reported in the
> Social Security Administration’s official list of deceased Americans.
> Nearly 3000 victims of 9/11 don't show up as dead.
> Jude Larson and his wife Natalie, who were reported to have died on
> 9/11 in one of the aircraft that hit the World Trade Center, are
> found to be still alive. (American Journalism Review, 11/2001)
> "The names of about 40 people listed on the toll of World Trade
> Center dead are being removed because authorities cannot confirm
> their
> deaths or even their existences, a city official said." (9 - 11 DEATH
> TOLL DROPS AS FAKE NAMES FOUND)
> "Sanae Zahani, a 20-year-old woman from Morocco, gained national
> attention for the search for her sister who, so she said, had been
> working in a bond-trading firm inside the World Trade Center.
> "She even told her story on the Rosie O'Donnell show.
> "But Zahani never had a sister who lived in New York. Zahani
> disappeared when this awkward flaw in her story was
> discovered." (Phony 9/11 Deaths)
> CBS:
> Laurence A. Tisch, CEO -- CFR
> Roswell Gilpatric -- CFR
> James Houghton -- CFR, TC
> Henry Schacht -- CFR, TC
> Dan Rather -- CFR
> Richard Hottelet -- CFR
> Frank Stanton -- CFR
> NBC/RCA:
> John F. Welch, CEO -- CFR
> Jane Pfeiffer -- CFR
> Lester Crystal -- CFR, TC
> R.W. Sonnenfeidt -- CFR, TC
> John Petty -- CFR
> Tom Brokaw -- CFR
> David Brinkley -- CFR
> John Chancellor -- CFR
> Marvin Kalb -- CFR
> Irving R. Levine -- CFR
> Herbert Schlosser -- CFR
> Peter G. Peterson -- CFR
> John Sawhill -- CFR
> ABC:
> Thomas S. Murphy, CEO -- CFR
> Barbara Walters -- CFR
> John Connor -- CFR
> Diane Sawyer -- CFR
> John Scall -- CFR
> Public Broadcast Service:
> Robert Mcneil -- CFR
> Jim Lehrer -- CFR
> C. Hunter-Gault -- CFR
> Hodding Carter III -- CFR
> Daniel Schorr -- CFR
> Associated Press:
> Stanley Swinton -- CFR
> Harold Anderson -- CFR
> Katharine Graham -- CFR, TC
> Reuters:
> Michael Posner -- CFR
> Baltimore Sun:
> Henry Trewhitt -- CFR
> Washington Times:
> Arnaud De Borchgrave -- CFR
> Children's TV Workshop (Sesame Street):
> Joan Ganz Cooney, Pres. -- CFR
> Cable News Network:
> W. Thomas Johnson, Pres. -- TC
> Daniel Schorr -- CFR
> U.S. News & World Report:
> David Gergen -- TC
> New York Times Co.:
> Richard Gelb -- CFR
> William Scranton -- CFR, TC
> John F. Akers, Dir. -- CFR
> Louis V. Gerstner, Jr., Dir. -- CFR
> George B. Munroe, Dir. -- CFR
> Donald M. Stewart, Dir. -- CFR
> Cyrus R. Vance, Dir. -- CFR
> A.M. Rosenthal -- CFR
> Seymour Topping -- CFR
> James Greenfield -- CFR
> Max Frankel -- CFR
> Jack Rosenthal -- CFR
> John Oakes -- CFR
> Harrison Salisbury -- CFR
> H.L. Smith -- CFR
> Steven Rattner -- CFR
> Richard Burt -- CFR
> Flora Lewis -- CFR
> Time, Inc.:
> Ralph Davidson -- CFR
> Donal M. Wilson -- CFR
> Henry Grunwald -- CFR
> Alexander Heard -- CFR
> Sol Linowitz -- CFR
> Thomas Watson, Jr. -- CFR
> Strobe Talbott -- CFR
> Newsweek/Washington Post:
> Katharine Graham -- CFR
> N. Deb. Katzenbach -- CFR
> Robert Christopher -- CFR
> Osborne Elliot -- CFR
> Phillip Geyelin -- CFR
> Murry Marder -- CFR
> Maynard Parker -- CFR
> George Will -- CFR, TC
> Robert Kaiser -- CFR
> Meg Greenfield -- CFR
> Walter Pincus -- CFR
> Murray Gart -- CFR
> Peter Osnos -- CFR
> Don Oberdorfer -- CFR
> Dow Jones & Co (Wall Street Journal):
> Richard Wood -- CFR
> Robert Bartley -- CFR, TC
> Karen House -- CFR
> National Review:
> Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. -- CFR
> Readers Digest:
> George V. Grune, CEO -- CFR
> William G. Bowen, Dir. -- CFR
> Syndicated Columnists
> Geogia Anne Geyer -- CFR
> Ben J. Wattenberg -- CFR
On Apr 14, 11:03 pm, Crickets <bongblas...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 6:48 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> > I agree that it would be cool if you died ingesting 50 cents worth
> > of rat poison, although it`s probably more likely you`ll die from
> > walking into traffic while looking over your shoulder for Hebrew
> > hitmen.
> Bud,
> Please respect proper usenet protocol and stay on (9-11) topic.
It`s off topic in this JFK assassination forum.
> Thank you.
> There were NO PLANES.
Only plane wreckage snuck in, right?
> There were NO PASSENGERS.
Only bodies snuck in, right?
> There were NO MUSLIMS.
Heres something for you to ponder, were there really any buildings?
Hmmmmm.
> The world's top scientists have proven:
They`d think they`d have better things to look at. You know, science
things.
> 9-11 was a military-media black op.
"military-media"? Thats some strange bedfellows.
> Anybody that says otherwise is a God Damned Liar.
Do you test your milk on your cat before you drink it?
> I got a secret
> Can you keep it?
> Swear this one you'll save
> Better lock it, in your pocket
> Taking this one to the grave
> If I show you then I know you
> Won't tell what Shack said
> That the 'victims' never lived
> Before they were dead
> WASHINGTON — A New York congresswoman who represents Manhattan wants
> answers to why nearly 3,000 victims of the 9/11 terrorists attacks
> weren’t reported in the Social Security Administration’s official
> list of deceased Americans.
> Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., said her staff started making inquiries
> after the errors in the federal Death Master File (DMF) were detected
> by Scripps Howard News Service. The file is a public record intended
> to protect families of the deceased from identity theft and other
> types of fraud.
> “While nearly 3,000 individuals were killed on Sept. 11th, the list
> does not show an increase in numbers from the typical DMF daily
> average,” Maloney said. “A sampling of those names did not yield any
> matches in the DMF and confirms their apparent absence.”
> She said her staff has contacted the Social Security Administration,
> the New York State Department of Health and the New York City
> Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, only to receive “conflicting
> answers as to why there is a lack of reporting on this matter.”
> So Maloney is asking Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue and
> the public health commissioners for the state of New York and New
> York City, jointly, to account for the reporting error.
> “Would you explain why individuals killed on 9/11 would be missing
> from the DMF?” Maloney asked in her letters.
> __ Contact reporter Thomas Hargrove at hargro...@shns.com.
> A New York congresswoman, Carolyn Maloney, wants answers to why
> nearly 3,000 victims of the 9/11 attacks weren't reported in the
> Social Security Administration’s official list of deceased Americans.
> Nearly 3000 victims of 9/11 don't show up as dead.
> Jude Larson and his wife Natalie, who were reported to have died on
> 9/11 in one of the aircraft that hit the World Trade Center, are
> found to be still alive. (American Journalism Review, 11/2001)
> "The names of about 40 people listed on the toll of World Trade
> Center dead are being removed because authorities cannot confirm
> their
> deaths or even their existences, a city official said." (9 - 11 DEATH
> TOLL DROPS AS FAKE NAMES FOUND)
> "Sanae Zahani, a 20-year-old woman from Morocco, gained national
> attention for the search for her sister who, so she said, had been
> working in a bond-trading firm inside the World Trade Center.
> "She even told her story on the Rosie O'Donnell show.
> "But Zahani never had a sister who lived in New York. Zahani
> disappeared when this awkward flaw in her story was
> discovered." (Phony 9/11 Deaths)
> CBS:
> Laurence A. Tisch, CEO -- CFR
> Roswell Gilpatric -- CFR
> James Houghton -- CFR, TC
> Henry Schacht -- CFR, TC
> Dan Rather -- CFR
> Richard Hottelet -- CFR
> Frank Stanton -- CFR
> NBC/RCA:
> John F. Welch, CEO -- CFR
> Jane Pfeiffer -- CFR
> Lester Crystal -- CFR, TC
> R.W. Sonnenfeidt -- CFR, TC
> John Petty -- CFR
> Tom Brokaw -- CFR
> David Brinkley -- CFR
> John Chancellor -- CFR
> Marvin Kalb -- CFR
> Irving R. Levine -- CFR
> Herbert Schlosser -- CFR
> Peter G. Peterson -- CFR
> John Sawhill -- CFR
> ABC:
> Thomas S. Murphy, CEO -- CFR
> Barbara Walters -- CFR
> John Connor -- CFR
> Diane Sawyer -- CFR
> John Scall -- CFR
> Public Broadcast Service:
> Robert Mcneil -- CFR
> Jim Lehrer -- CFR
> C. Hunter-Gault -- CFR
> Hodding Carter III -- CFR
> Daniel Schorr -- CFR
> Associated Press:
> Stanley Swinton -- CFR
> Harold Anderson -- CFR
> Katharine Graham -- CFR, TC
> Reuters:
> Michael Posner -- CFR
> Baltimore Sun:
> Henry Trewhitt -- CFR
> Washington Times:
> Arnaud De Borchgrave -- CFR
> Children's TV Workshop (Sesame Street):
> Joan Ganz Cooney, Pres. -- CFR
> Cable News Network:
> W. Thomas Johnson, Pres. -- TC
> Daniel Schorr -- CFR
> U.S. News & World Report:
> David Gergen -- TC
> New York Times Co.:
> Richard Gelb -- CFR
> William Scranton -- CFR, TC
> John F. Akers, Dir. -- CFR
> Louis V. Gerstner, Jr., Dir. -- CFR
> George B. Munroe, Dir. -- CFR
> Donald M. Stewart, Dir. -- CFR
> Cyrus R. Vance, Dir. -- CFR
> A.M. Rosenthal -- CFR
> Seymour Topping -- CFR
> James Greenfield -- CFR
> Max Frankel -- CFR
> Jack Rosenthal -- CFR
> John Oakes -- CFR
> Harrison Salisbury -- CFR
> H.L. Smith -- CFR
> Steven Rattner -- CFR
> Richard Burt -- CFR
> Flora Lewis -- CFR
> Time, Inc.:
> Ralph Davidson -- CFR
> Donal M. Wilson -- CFR
> Henry Grunwald -- CFR
> Alexander Heard -- CFR
> Sol Linowitz -- CFR
> Thomas Watson, Jr. -- CFR
> Strobe Talbott -- CFR
> Newsweek/Washington Post:
> Katharine Graham -- CFR
> N. Deb. Katzenbach -- CFR
> Robert Christopher -- CFR
> Osborne Elliot -- CFR
> Phillip Geyelin -- CFR
> Murry Marder -- CFR
> Maynard Parker -- CFR
> George Will -- CFR, TC
> Robert Kaiser -- CFR
> Meg Greenfield -- CFR
> Walter Pincus -- CFR
> Murray Gart -- CFR
> Peter Osnos -- CFR
> Don Oberdorfer -- CFR
> Dow Jones & Co (Wall Street Journal):
> Richard Wood -- CFR
> Robert Bartley -- CFR, TC
> Karen House -- CFR
> National Review:
> Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. -- CFR
> Readers Digest:
> George V. Grune, CEO -- CFR
> William G. Bowen, Dir. -- CFR
> Syndicated Columnists
> Geogia Anne Geyer -- CFR
> Ben J. Wattenberg -- CFR
> On Apr 14, 11:03 pm, Crickets <bongblas...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 6:48 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> > > I agree that it would be cool if you died ingesting 50 cents worth
> > > of rat poison, although it`s probably more likely you`ll die from
> > > walking into traffic while looking over your shoulder for Hebrew
> > > hitmen.
> > Bud,
> > Please respect proper usenet protocol and stay on (9-11) topic.
> It`s off topic in this JFK assassination forum.
> > Thank you.
> > There were NO PLANES.
> Only plane wreckage snuck in, right?
> > There were NO PASSENGERS.
> Only bodies snuck in, right?
> > There were NO MUSLIMS.
> Heres something for you to ponder, were there really any buildings?
> Hmmmmm.
> > The world's top scientists have proven:
> They`d think they`d have better things to look at. You know, science
> things.
> > 9-11 was a military-media black op.
> "military-media"? Thats some strange bedfellows.
> > Anybody that says otherwise is a God Damned Liar.
> Do you test your milk on your cat before you drink it?
McClung is officially no longer the craziest fuck on this forum.
On Apr 14, 8:45 pm, timstter <timst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, when we see the second 767 fly into the WTC tower that all didn't
> happen?
> There were no planes?
> Well, no wonder you think Lee Harvey Oswald is innocent.
> Sorrowing Regards,
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
In the wreckage of the four plane crashes on 9-11, not one single
part could be identified as belonging to the plane it once was a part
of. Here's the bacon:
The precautionary principle is based on the fact that it’s impossible
to prove a false claim to be true. Failure to prove a false premise
true does not automatically make it false but caution is called for,
especially in the case of a world-changing event like the alleged
terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Thus far, our government has
provided the public with no physical evidence to support its claim
that the attacks were the work of Muslim terrorists, or even that the
aircraft that struck their targets on September 11 were positively
identified. As explained below, it would be a simple matter to confirm
the identity of each of the four aircraft, and until such physical
proof of identity is forthcoming, no conclusions can be drawn
scientifically to support the official story as being accurate. This
is a precaution against rushing to judgment. At this point, it could
just as easily be assumed that the 911 hijackings were part of a black
operation carried out with full cooperation of elements within our own
government.
July, 1965 I had just been commissioned a Second Lieutenant in the U.
S. Air Force after taking a solemn oath that I would protect and
defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and
that I would bear true faith and allegiance to the same. I took that
oath very seriously. It was my constant companion throughout a thirty-
year military career in the field of aircraft maintenance.
As an additional duty, aircraft maintenance officers are occasionally
tasked as members of aircraft accident investigation boards and my
personal experience was no exception. In 1989 I graduated from the
Aircraft Mishap Investigation Course at the Institute of Safety and
Systems Management at the University of Southern California. In
addition to my direct participation as an aircraft accident
investigator, I reviewed countless aircraft accident investigation
reports for thoroughness and comprehensive conclusions for the
Inspector General, HQ Pacific Air Forces during the height of the
Vietnam conflict.
In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never
witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was
accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard
evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific
registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise
cause of the accident. This is because every military and civilian
passenger-carrying aircraft have many parts that are identified for
safety of flight. That is, if any of the parts were to fail at any
time during a flight, the failure would likely result in the
catastrophic loss of aircraft and passengers. Consequently, these
parts are individually controlled by a distinctive serial number and
tracked by a records section of the maintenance operation and by
another section called plans and scheduling.
Following a certain number of flying hours or, in the case of landing
gears, a certain number of takeoff-and-landing cycles, these critical
parts are required to be replaced, overhauled or inspected by
specialist mechanics. When these parts are installed, their serial
numbers are married to the aircraft registration number in the
aircraft records, and the plans and scheduling section will notify
maintenance specialists with a work order when the parts must be
replaced. If the parts are not replaced within specified time or cycle
limits the airplane will normally be grounded until the maintenance
action is completed. Most of these time-change parts, whether
hydraulic flight surface actuators, pumps, landing gears, engines or
engine components, are virtually indestructible. It would be
impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an airplane crash to
destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts or their
serial numbers. I repeat, impossible.
...Considering the catastrophic incidents of September 11 2001,
certain troubling but irrefutable conclusions must be drawn from the
known facts, and I get no personal pleasure or satisfaction from
reporting my assessment of these facts.
United Airlines Flight 93
This flight was reported by the federal government to be a Boeing 757
aircraft, registration number N591UA, carrying 45 persons, including
four Arab hijackers who had taken control of the aircraft, crashing
the plane in a Pennsylvania farm field.
Aerial photos of the alleged crash site were made available to the
general public. They show a smoking hole in the ground, but private
investigators were not allowed to come anywhere near the crash site.
If an aircraft crash caused the hole in the ground, there would have
literally hundreds of serially controlled time-change parts within the
hole that would have proven beyond any shadow of doubt the precise
tail-number or identity of the aircraft. However, the government has
not produced any physical evidence that would prove beyond a doubt,
the specific identity of the aircraft that allegedly crashed at that
site. On the contrary, it has been reported that the aircraft,
registry number N591UA, is still in operation.
American Airlines Flight 11
This flight was reported by the government to be a Boeing 767-200,
registration number N334AA, carrying 92 people, including foreign
nationals who had hijacked the plane. This plane was reported to have
crashed into the north tower of the WTC complex of buildings.
Again, the government would have no trouble proving its case if only a
few of the hundreds of serially controlled parts had been collected to
positively identify the aircraft. A Boeing 767 landing gear or just
one engine would have been easy to find and identify.
United Airlines Flight 175
This flight was reported to be a Boeing 767-200, registration number
N612UA, carrying 65 people, including the crew and five hijackers. It
reportedly flew into the south tower of the WTC.
Once more, the government has yet to produce even one serially
controlled part from the crash site that would have dispelled any
questions as to the identity of the specific airplane.
American Airlines Flight 77
This was reported to be a Boeing 757, registration number N644AA,
carrying 64 people, including the flight crew and five hijackers. This
aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into
the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 16 feet wide.
Following a cool-down of the resulting fire, this crash site would
have been very easy to collect enough time-change equipment within 15
minutes to positively identify the aircraft registry. There was
apparently some aerospace type of equipment found at the site but no
attempt was made to produce serial numbers or to identify the specific
parts found. Some of the equipment removed from the building was
actually hidden from public view.
Conclusion
The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the
morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than
3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has
been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four
aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence
was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would
have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus
security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately
following each tragic episode.
With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site,
any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing
757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the
evidence available at the Shanksville, Pennsylvania crash site, it was
most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the
ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. Regarding the
planes that allegedly flew into the WTC towers, it is only possible
that heavy aircraft were involved in each incident, but no evidence
has been produced that would add credence to the government's
theoretical version of what actually caused the total destruction of
the buildings, let alone proving the identity of the aircraft. That is
the problem with the government's 911 story, and it’s time to apply
the precautionary principle.
As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the
lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and
nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be
involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history.
Footnote: It will soon be five years since the tragic events of
9/11/01 unfolded, and still the general public has seen no physical
evidence that should have been collected at each of the four crash
sites, (a routine requirement during mandatory investigations of each
and every major aircraft crash.) The National Transportation Safety
Board has announced on its website that responsibility for the
investigations and reports have been assigned to the Federal Bureau of
Investigation, but there is no indication that mandatory
investigations were ever conducted or that the reports of any
investigations have been written.
Only a courtroom can expose the 9-11 truth; therefore, only the guilty
fear the courtroom; hence, only the 9-11 guilty are begging and
pleading for military-kangaroo trials in the jungle at midnight.
Red, White and Blue ???? ...all I see is chickenshit yellow.
Last year, Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. described a federal court
trial for the self-professed mastermind of Sept. 11 attacks, Khalid
Shaikh Mohammed, as “the defining event of my time as attorney
general.” On Monday, Mr. Holder’s dream for demonstrating the power of
the American court system crumbled when he announced that the trial
would take place not in New York City or anywhere in the United States
but before a military commission at the Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, prison
camp.
That retreat was a victory for Congressional pandering and an
embarrassment for the Obama administration, which failed to stand up
to it.
The wound inflicted on New York City from Mr. Mohammed’s plot nearly a
decade ago will not heal for many lifetimes, yet the city, while still
grieving, has thrived. How fitting it would have been to put the
plot’s architect on trial a few blocks from the site of the World
Trade Center, to force him to submit to the justice of a dozen chosen
New Yorkers, to demonstrate to the world that we will not allow fear
of terrorism to alter our rule of law.
But, apparently, there are many who continue to cower, who view
terrorists as much more fearsome than homegrown American mass
murderers and the American civilian jury system as too “soft” to
impose needed justice. The administration of George W. Bush encouraged
this view for more than seven years, spreading a notion that terror
suspects only could be safely held and tried far from our shores at
Guantánamo and brought nowhere near an American courthouse. The
federal courts have, in fact, convicted hundreds of terrorists since
9/11. And federal prisons safely hold more than 350 of them.
The pandering toward this mentality began as soon as Mr. Holder
announced his plan in 2009 to try Mr. Mohammed in Lower Manhattan. A
group of senators, including Joseph Lieberman, an independent of
Connecticut, complained that it would give terrorists a platform to
rally others to their cause. Senator Charles Schumer, Democrat of New
York, said the trial should be moved elsewhere because New Yorkers
didn’t want it, as if prosecutors needed opinion polls to determine
where to seek justice.
The final blow came from Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who originally
accepted the trial but then gave in to downtown business interests
that opposed it for reasons of inconvenience. His office promulgated
the absurd notion that security would cost $1 billion. Congress then
made the trial impossible last year with a measure prohibiting any
spending to move prisoners from Guantánamo to the United States.
Mr. Holder was right to sound bitter about the decision at his news
conference on Monday. But the Obama administration must shoulder some
of the blame. As The New Yorker reported last year, it did little to
prepare the political groundwork for a local trial and barely defended
the idea after the unfounded attacks began.
Given the circumstances, Mr. Holder is right to push for a military
trial for Mr. Mohammed, rather than let him linger in indefinite
limbo. His decision will test whether reforms to the military
commission system will allow for both a fair prosecution and a
vigorous defense. But Monday’s announcement represents a huge missed
opportunity to prove the fairness of the federal court system and
restore the nation’s reputation for providing justice for all.
A version of this editorial appeared in print on April 5, 2011, on
page A22 of the New York edition.
> -- The Pentagon on Wednesday cleared the way for a death penalty trial
> against five Guantanamo Bay captives charged with engineering the
> Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
> Retired Navy Vice Adm. Bruce MacDonald, who is in charge of military
> commissions, signed off on the capital trial against alleged
> mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 46, and four accused co-
> conspirators. ...
> ...
> Dead Men don't say: "I'm just a patsy!" very long.
"The body count is high but the pay sure is good!"
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CFR MEMBERSHIP LIST OF US MILITARY TRAITORS
Department Of Defense:
Les Aspin, Secretary of Defense -- CFR Membership List
Frank G. Wisnerll, Under Secretary for Policy -- CFR
Henry S. Rowen, Asst. Sec., International Security Affairs -- CFR
Judy Ann Miller, Dep. Asst. Sec. Nuclear Forces & Arms Control -- CFR
W. Bruce Weinrod, Dep. Asst. Sec., Europe & NATO -- CFR
Adm. Seymour Weiss, Chairman, Defense Policy Board -- CFR
Charles M. Herzfeld, Dir. Defense Research & Engineering -- CFR
Andrew W. Marshall, Dir., Net Assessment -- CFR
Michael P. W. Stone, Secretary of the Army -- CFR
Donald B. Rice, Secretary of the Air Force -- CFR
Franklin C. Miller, Dep. Asst. Sec. Nuclear Forces & Arms Control --
CFR
Col. William M. Drennan, Jr., USAF -- CFR
Col. Wallace C. Gregson, USMC -- CFR
Col. Jack B. Wood, USA -- CFR
CFR Military Fellows, 1992:
Col. David M. Mize, USMC -- CFR Membership List
Col. John P. Rose, USA -- CFR
Joint Chiefs of Staff:
Gen. Colin L. Powell, Chairman -- CFR
Gen. Carl E. Vuono, Army -- CFR
Gen. John T. Chain, Co Sac -- CFR
Gen. Merril A. Mcpeak, Co Pac AF -- CFR
Lt. Gen. George L. Butler, Dir. Strategic Plans & Policy -- CFR
Lt. Gen. Charles T. Boyd, Com. Air Univ. -- CFR
Lt. Gen. Bradley C. Hosmer, AF Inspector General -- CFR
Mg R.C. Bowman -- CFR Membership List
Bg F. Brown -- CFR
Lt Col W. Clark -- CFR
Adm Wm. Crowe -- CFR
Col P. M. Dawkins -- CFR
V. Adm. Thor Hanson -- CFR
Col W. Hauser -- CFR
Maj R. Kimmitt -- CFR
Gen W. Knowlton -- CFR
V. Adm J. Lee -- CFR
Col D. Mead -- CFR
Mg Jack Merritt -- CFR
Gen E. Meyer -- CFR
Col Wm. E. Odom -- CFR
Col L. Olvey -- CFR
Col Geo. K. Osborn -- CFR
Mg J. Pustay -- CFR
Lg E.L. Rowny -- CFR
Capt Gary Sick -- CFR
Mg De Witt Smith -- CFR
Bg Perry Smith -- CFR
Ltg Wm. Y. Smith -- CFR
Col W. Taylor -- CFR
Adm S. Turner -- CFR
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We're Tops!
In the history of human governance
We're the champion of tyrannies,
With only a few thousand foolers
And a whole country full of foolees.
Every chemtrail has a silver lining:
The one good thing about HAARP chemtrails is: I'm finding out how
incredibly evil the Zionist CFR Pentagon Nazis are before they kill
me
with high-tech, top-secret, electro-magnetic WMD.
The corporate media blackout on chemtrails is so absolute, the sky's
the limit for President Obama's NWO NATO chemical cloud genocide
operation.
INDEPENDENT RESEARCHER CLAY DOUGLAS EXPLAINS WHEN AND HOW THE BANKERS
TOOK CONTROL OF AMERICA AND MADE ‘WE THE PEOPLE’ THE ENEMY
__________________________________________________
More details: Who is Running America
Who is Running America?
Have you ever asked that question?
Under the doctrine of Parens Patriae, “Government As Parent”, as a
result of the manipulated bankruptcy of the United States of America
in 1930, ALL the assets of the American people, their person, and of
our country itself are held by the Depository Trust Corporation at 55
Water Street, NY, NY, secured by UCC Commercial Liens, which are then
monetized as “debt money” by the Federal Reserve. It may interest you
to know that under the umbrella of the Depository Trust Corporation
lies the CEDE Corporation, the Federal Reserve Corporation, the
American Bar Association, the legal arm of the banking interests, and
the Internal Revenue Service, the system’s collection agency.
Did you ever hear of the Independent Treasury Act of 1920?
The Independent Treasury Act of 1920 suspended the de jure (meaning
“by right of legal establishment”) Treasury Department of the United
States government. Our Congress turned the treasury department over
to
a private corporation, which when seen in its true light, is a
fascist
monopolistic cartel, the Federal Reserve and their agents. The bulk
of
the ownership of the Federal Reserve System, a very well kept secret
from the American Citizen, is held by these banking interests, and
NONE is held by the United States Treasury:
Rothschild Bank of London
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Lehman Brothers of New York
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
...
FIRST! We kill all the bankers ... then the lawyers, but only the
crooked ones.
> On Apr 14, 8:45 pm, timstter <timst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So, when we see the second 767 fly into the WTC tower that all didn't
> > happen?
> > There were no planes?
> > Well, no wonder you think Lee Harvey Oswald is innocent.
> > Sorrowing Regards,
> > Tim Brennan
> > Sydney, Australia
> > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
> In the wreckage of the four plane crashes on 9-11, not one single
> part could be identified as belonging to the plane it once was a part
> of. Here's the bacon:
> The precautionary principle is based on the fact that it’s impossible
> to prove a false claim to be true. Failure to prove a false premise
> true does not automatically make it false but caution is called for,
> especially in the case of a world-changing event like the alleged
> terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Thus far, our government has
> provided the public with no physical evidence to support its claim
> that the attacks were the work of Muslim terrorists, or even that the
> aircraft that struck their targets on September 11 were positively
> identified. As explained below, it would be a simple matter to confirm
> the identity of each of the four aircraft, and until such physical
> proof of identity is forthcoming, no conclusions can be drawn
> scientifically to support the official story as being accurate. This
> is a precaution against rushing to judgment. At this point, it could
> just as easily be assumed that the 911 hijackings were part of a black
> operation carried out with full cooperation of elements within our own
> government.
> July, 1965 I had just been commissioned a Second Lieutenant in the U.
> S. Air Force after taking a solemn oath that I would protect and
> defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and
> that I would bear true faith and allegiance to the same. I took that
> oath very seriously. It was my constant companion throughout a thirty-
> year military career in the field of aircraft maintenance.
> As an additional duty, aircraft maintenance officers are occasionally
> tasked as members of aircraft accident investigation boards and my
> personal experience was no exception. In 1989 I graduated from the
> Aircraft Mishap Investigation Course at the Institute of Safety and
> Systems Management at the University of Southern California. In
> addition to my direct participation as an aircraft accident
> investigator, I reviewed countless aircraft accident investigation
> reports for thoroughness and comprehensive conclusions for the
> Inspector General, HQ Pacific Air Forces during the height of the
> Vietnam conflict.
> In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never
> witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was
> accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard
> evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific
> registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise
> cause of the accident. This is because every military and civilian
> passenger-carrying aircraft have many parts that are identified for
> safety of flight. That is, if any of the parts were to fail at any
> time during a flight, the failure would likely result in the
> catastrophic loss of aircraft and passengers. Consequently, these
> parts are individually controlled by a distinctive serial number and
> tracked by a records section of the maintenance operation and by
> another section called plans and scheduling.
> Following a certain number of flying hours or, in the case of landing
> gears, a certain number of takeoff-and-landing cycles, these critical
> parts are required to be replaced, overhauled or inspected by
> specialist mechanics. When these parts are installed, their serial
> numbers are married to the aircraft registration number in the
> aircraft records, and the plans and scheduling section will notify
> maintenance specialists with a work order when the parts must be
> replaced. If the parts are not replaced within specified time or cycle
> limits the airplane will normally be grounded until the maintenance
> action is completed. Most of these time-change parts, whether
> hydraulic flight surface actuators, pumps, landing gears, engines or
> engine components, are virtually indestructible. It would be
> impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an airplane crash to
> destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts or their
> serial numbers. I repeat, impossible.
> ...Considering the catastrophic incidents of September 11 2001,
> certain troubling but irrefutable conclusions must be drawn from the
> known facts, and I get no personal pleasure or satisfaction from
> reporting my assessment of these facts.
> United Airlines Flight 93
> This flight was reported by the federal government to be a Boeing 757
> aircraft, registration number N591UA, carrying 45 persons, including
> four Arab hijackers who had taken control of the aircraft, crashing
> the plane in a Pennsylvania farm field.
> Aerial photos of the alleged crash site were made available to the
> general public. They show a smoking hole in the ground, but private
> investigators were not allowed to come anywhere near the crash site.
> If an aircraft crash caused the hole in the ground, there would have
> literally hundreds of serially controlled time-change parts within the
> hole that would have proven beyond any shadow of doubt the precise
> tail-number or identity of the aircraft. However, the government has
> not produced any physical evidence that would prove beyond a doubt,
> the specific identity of the aircraft that allegedly crashed at that
> site. On the contrary, it has been reported that the aircraft,
> registry number N591UA, is still in operation.
> American Airlines Flight 11
> This flight was reported by the government to be a Boeing 767-200,
> registration number N334AA, carrying 92 people, including foreign
> nationals who had hijacked the plane. This plane was reported to have
> crashed into the north tower of the WTC complex of buildings.
> Again, the government would have no trouble proving its case if only a
> few of the hundreds of serially controlled parts had been collected to
> positively identify the aircraft. A Boeing 767 landing gear or just
> one engine would have been easy to find and identify.
> United Airlines Flight 175
> This flight was reported to be a Boeing 767-200, registration number
> N612UA, carrying 65 people, including the crew and five hijackers. It
> reportedly flew into the south tower of the WTC.
> Once more, the government has yet to produce even one serially
> controlled part from the crash site that would have dispelled any
> questions as to the identity of the specific airplane.
> American Airlines Flight 77
> This was reported to be a Boeing 757, registration number N644AA,
> carrying 64 people, including the flight crew and five hijackers. This
> aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into
> the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 16 feet wide.
> Following a cool-down of the resulting fire, this crash site would
> have been very easy to collect enough time-change equipment within 15
> minutes to positively identify the aircraft registry. There was
> apparently some aerospace type of equipment found at the site but no
> attempt was made to produce serial numbers or to identify the specific
> parts found. Some of the equipment removed from the building was
> actually hidden from public view.
> Conclusion
> The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the
> morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than
> 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has
> been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four
> aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence
> was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would
> have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus
> security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately
> following each tragic episode.
> With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site,
> any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing
> 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the
> evidence available at the Shanksville, Pennsylvania crash site, it was
> most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the
> ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. Regarding the
> planes that allegedly flew into the WTC towers, it is only possible
> that heavy aircraft were involved in each incident, but no evidence
> has been produced that would add credence to the government's
> theoretical version of what actually caused the total destruction of
> the buildings, let alone proving the identity of the aircraft. That is
> the problem with the government's 911 story, and it’s time to apply
> the precautionary principle.
> As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the
> lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and
> nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be
> involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history.
> Footnote: It will soon be five years since the tragic events of
> 9/11/01 unfolded, and still the general public has seen no physical
> evidence that should have been collected at each of the four crash
> sites, (a routine requirement during mandatory investigations of each
On Apr 16, 12:56 pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> squealed like a
stuck pig for a CIA paycheck:
<lunatic rant snipped>
The only thing that got snipped is your foreskin, Hymie.
Using "September Clues" as a skeleton key to unlock perplexing 9-11
mysteries (part V) "My Pet Goat"
A lot of people wondered why in the world President Bush continued to
read "My Pet Goat" after he was told our nation was under attack.
Some say it was because he was such a dumb-ass, but that's a lame
excuse. Could there be another reason why he just sat there?
Any president - stupid or genius - would have immediately excused
himself and briskly left the room to assume command of our forces.
It is a very perplexing mystery why our Commander-in-Chief got a
dazed
look on his face and just sat there holding the book up-side down
when
he knew our nation was under attack.
It is such a perplexing mystery that Michael Moore put it in his
movie, F-911.
Here is how it went down on 9-11-01, from Michael Moore's "F-911."
Michael Moore:
As the attack took place, Mr. Bush was on his way to an elementary
school in Florida. When informed of the first plane hitting the world
trade center, where terrorists had struck just eight years prior, Mr.
Bush decided to go ahead with his photo opportunity.
[Bush enters the classroom]
Michael Moore:
When the second plane hit the tower, his chief of staff entered the
classroom and told Mr. Bush the nation is under attack.
[Bush picks up a children's book]
Michael Moore:
Not knowing what to do, with no one telling him what to do, and with
no secret service rushing in to take him to safety, Mr. Bush just sat
there, and continued to read "My Pet Goat" with the children.
[the time is measured on a clock in the corner of the screen]
Michael Moore:
Nearly seven minutes passed with nobody doing anything.
========= End of Movie Clip ===========
Since the "dumb" excuse doesn't cut it - factor in SEPTEMBER CLUES.
I'm not asking you to believe 9-11 was a media/military black-op as
SEPTEMBER CLUES asserts - I'm only asking you to just hold the
thought
lightly in your mind - like in THE GOLDEN COMPASS - don't squeeze too
tight, it might squirt out!
Just let it nestle and float on top of your head, like a seed from
the
sacred tree in AVITAR. Don't slap at it!
The only thing that could make the Commander-in-Chief continue to
read
"My Pet Goat" after he was told our nation was under attack is if he
knew it was a pre-planned hoax with no-planes (missiles) and no
victims (vicsims).
There would be no reason for him to immediately seek a position of
command because he knew it was a hoax in which no one was really
attacking, and no one was really being killed.
Bush's role was to be caught completly by suprise in a compromised
position doing a heart-warming task - teaching the little children to
read - rather than playing golf, sleeping late or riding a bike.
Being with little children added to the illusion of a "sneak attack."
(What was FDR doing when the Japs hit Pearl? Sitting in church
teaching a Sunday school lesson to little children, of course.)
Bush knew it would all be over shortly and he didn't want to be in
charge of our military forces while the phony attack was still
happening.
He just wanted to lay low for a while in the warm, soft and fuzzy
rabbit hole of the children's classroom while the horrible hoax was
being played out. That's why he sat there for as long as he could.
The Able Danger spooks were not "in" on 9-11. They didn't know there
was a master-plan in place to culminate on 9-11-01.
The Able Danger spooks used a search engine and found massive amounts
of false information planted by Pentagon perpetuators that Mohamed
Atta was a dangerous character and was probably planning to commit an
act of terrorism against the USA.
When they tried to tip-off law enforcement to go get the dude, they
were told to stand-down and shut-up.
Why were the Able Danger spooks told to shut-up about Atta.
Why did the government protect Atta?
The correct answer to that question is the key to understanding 9-11.
The Mad Cow website offered this explanation, which I believe to be
false. I'm not saying the MC people are disinfo artists. Maybe they
were perplexed and had to come up with some kind of logical
explanation for why the government protected Atta.
========== From the spook archive ===========
Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
August 17,2005-Venice, FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker
Mohamed Atta was protected from official scrutiny as part of an
officially-protected cocaine and heroin trafficking network with ties
to top political figures, including Republican officials Jeb Bush and
Katherine Harris, and it was this fact-and not the "terrible lapses"
of "weak on terror" Clinton Administration officials cited by
Republican Congressman Curt Weldon-which shielded him from
being apprehended before the 9.11 attack. ...
======================================
Now we have a better explanation of why the government protected
Atta:
Factoring "September Clues" into the Able Danger mystery:
Mohamed Atta was an ISI agent and a designated patsy. Atta's mission
was to enroll in a flight school and be noticeable. There is no
evidence that Atta, or any other suicide pilot, boarded any plane on
9-11. That wasn't in their contract. Atta was probably snuffed
later, but his dad talked to him on 9-12-01.
Massive amounts of false information about Atta was created by the
government and scattered throughout cyberspace. This information was
designed to be discovered AFTER 9-11-01, to give credence to the
government's contention that: "Muslims high-jacked planes and flew
them into the WTC."
When the Able Danger spooks discovered this information before it was
time, they got screwed.
"Hands off Atta!" the military screamed, "He's got a green card!"
That was the signal the post-it note stuck on Atta's wanted poster
implied. Later it was discovered Atta didn't even have a green card.
"Don't mess with our patsy!" the military screamed, "We need for him
to be as free as a bird until he flies on 9-11-01." Mystery
solved.
============= End ===============
Good work, Bongblaster. I want some of what you're smoking! Did you
watch Psycho III the other night? It was good for a bad dream.
Here's another old, perplexing 9-11 mystery that can be unlocked with
the skeleton key "September Clues."
Why did Bush say he saw the first plane hit the north tower?
Think about what Bush was probably told before 9-11. Something like
this: Your father's "Big Idea" will come to fruition on September
11.
We will have a hundred eyewitnesses on the ground that will all say:
"Big Boeings crashed into the towers," not missiles. All five
networks will use trick-photography to show planes flying into the
buildings. That's all you need to know - that's all I'm going to
tell
you. This tape will self-destruct in ten seconds...
President Bush (not the sharpest knife in the drawer) wanted to play
along and be a perpetraitor himself and said: Yeah, I was watching
TV
and saw a plane hit the north tower and thought Man! What a crummy
pilot! ...
> On Apr 16, 12:56 pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> squealed like a
> stuck pig for a CIA paycheck:
> <lunatic rant snipped>
> The only thing that got snipped is your foreskin, Hymie.
> Using"September Clues" as askeletonkeytounlockperplexing9-11
> mysteries (part V) "My Pet Goat"
> A lot of people wondered why in the world President Bush continued to
> read "My Pet Goat" after he was told our nation was under attack.
> Some say it was because he was such a dumb-ass, but that's a lame
> excuse. Could there be another reason why he just sat there?
> Any president - stupid or genius - would have immediately excused
> himself and briskly left the room to assume command of our forces.
> It is a veryperplexingmystery why our Commander-in-Chief got a
> dazed
> look on his face and just sat there holding the book up-side down
> when
> he knew our nation was under attack.
> It is such aperplexingmystery that Michael Moore put it in his
> movie, F-911.
> Here is how it went down on9-11-01, from Michael Moore's "F-911."
> Michael Moore:
> As the attack took place, Mr. Bush was on his way to an elementary
> school in Florida. When informed of the first plane hitting the world
> trade center, where terrorists had struck just eight years prior, Mr.
> Bush decided to go ahead with his photo opportunity.
> [Bush enters the classroom]
> Michael Moore:
> When the second plane hit the tower, his chief of staff entered the
> classroom and told Mr. Bush the nation is under attack.
> [Bush picks up a children's book]
> Michael Moore:
> Not knowing what to do, with no one telling him what to do, and with
> no secret service rushing in to take him to safety, Mr. Bush just sat
> there, and continued to read "My Pet Goat" with the children.
> [the time is measured on a clock in the corner of the screen]
> Michael Moore:
> Nearly seven minutes passed with nobody doing anything.
> ========= End of Movie Clip ===========
> Since the "dumb" excuse doesn't cut it - factor inSEPTEMBER CLUES.
> I'm not asking you to believe9-11was a media/military black-op asSEPTEMBER CLUESasserts - I'm only asking you to just hold the
> thought
> lightly in your mind - like in THE GOLDEN COMPASS - don't squeeze too
> tight, it might squirt out!
> Just let it nestle and float on top of your head, like a seed from
> the
> sacred tree in AVITAR. Don't slap at it!
> The only thing that could make the Commander-in-Chief continue to
> read
> "My Pet Goat" after he was told our nation was under attack is if he
> knew it was a pre-planned hoax with no-planes (missiles) and no
> victims (vicsims).
> There would be no reason for him to immediately seek a position of
> command because he knew it was a hoax in which no one was really
> attacking, and no one was really being killed.
> Bush's role was to be caught completly by suprise in a compromised
> position doing a heart-warming task - teaching the little children to
> read - rather than playing golf, sleeping late or riding a bike.
> Being with little children added to the illusion of a "sneak attack."
> (What was FDR doing when the Japs hit Pearl? Sitting in church
> teaching a Sunday school lesson to little children, of course.)
> Bush knew it would all be over shortly and he didn't want to be in
> charge of our military forces while the phony attack was still
> happening.
> He just wanted to lay low for a while in the warm, soft and fuzzy
> rabbit hole of the children's classroom while the horrible hoax was
> being played out. That's why he sat there for as long as he could.
> The Able Danger spooks were not "in" on9-11. They didn't know there
> was a master-plan in place to culminate on9-11-01.
> The Able Danger spooks used a search engine and found massive amounts
> of false information planted by Pentagon perpetuators that Mohamed
> Atta was a dangerous character and was probably planning to commit an
> act of terrorism against the USA.
> When they tried to tip-off law enforcement to go get the dude, they
> were told to stand-down and shut-up.
> Why were the Able Danger spooks told to shut-up about Atta.
> Why did the government protect Atta?
> The correct answer to that question is thekeyto understanding9-11.
> The Mad Cow website offered this explanation, which I believe to be
> false. I'm not saying the MC people are disinfo artists. Maybe they
> were perplexed and had to come up with some kind of logical
> explanation for why the government protected Atta.
> ========== From the spook archive ===========
> Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
> August 17,2005-Venice, FL.
> by Daniel Hopsicker
> Mohamed Atta was protected from official scrutiny as part of an
> officially-protected cocaine and heroin trafficking network with ties
> to top political figures, including Republican officials Jeb Bush and
> Katherine Harris, and it was this fact-and not the "terrible lapses"
> of "weak on terror" Clinton Administration officials cited by
> Republican Congressman Curt Weldon-which shielded him from
> being apprehended before the 9.11 attack. ...
> ======================================
> Now we have a better explanation of why the government protected
> Atta:
> Factoring "September Clues" into the Able Danger mystery:
> Mohamed Atta was an ISI agent and a designated patsy. Atta's mission
> was to enroll in a flight school and be noticeable. There is no
> evidence that Atta, or any other suicide pilot, boarded any plane on9-11. That wasn't in their contract. Atta was probably snuffed
> later, but his dad talked to him on 9-12-01.
> Massive amounts of false information about Atta was created by the
> government and scattered throughout cyberspace. This information was
> designed to be discovered AFTER9-11-01, to give credence to the
> government's contention that: "Muslims high-jacked planes and flew
> them into the WTC."
> When the Able Danger spooks discovered this information before it was
> time, they got screwed.
> "Hands off Atta!" the military screamed, "He's got a green card!"
> That was the signal the post-it note stuck on Atta's wanted poster
> implied. Later it was discovered Atta didn't even have a green card.
> "Don't mess with our patsy!" the military screamed, "We need for him
> to be as free as a bird until he flies on9-11-01." Mystery
> solved.
> ============= End ===============
> Good work, Bongblaster. I want some of what you're smoking! Did you
> watch Psycho III the other night? It was good for a bad dream.
> Here's another old,perplexing9-11mystery that can be unlocked with
> theskeletonkey"September Clues."
> Why did Bush say he saw the first plane hit the north tower?
> Think about what Bush was probably told before9-11. Something like
> this: Your father's "Big Idea" will come to fruition on September
> 11.
> We will have a hundred eyewitnesses on
On Apr 16, 1:37 pm, timstter <timst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Er, but the planes, crickets. The planes we see in the films? These
> didn't actually exist?
> Concerned Regards,
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Put your right index finger on your temple and say airplane
backwards.
Children fall for that one every time.
Isn't it rich, aren't we a pair
Me here at last on the ground - and you in mid-air
Send in the planes
Isn't it bliss, don't you approve
One who keeps tearing around - and one who can't move
But where are the planes - send in the planes
Just when I stopped opening doors
Finally finding the one that I wanted - was yours
Making my entrance again with my usual flair
So sure of my lines - then nobody's there
Don't you love a farce; my fault I fear
I thought that you'd want what I want - sorry my dear
But where are the planes - there ought to be planes
Maybe next year
Isn't it rich, isn't it queer
Losing my timing this late in my career
But where are the planes - send in the planes
There's got to be planes
Hear the sledges with the planes -
Silver planes!
What a world of merriment their melody foretells!
How they tinkle, tinkle, tinkle,
In the icy air of night!
While the stars that oversprinkle
All the heavens seem to twinkle
With a crystalline delight;
Keeping time, time, time,
In a sort of Runic rhyme,
To the tintinnabulation that so musically wells
From the planes, planes, planes, planes,
Planes, planes, planes -
From the jingling and the tinkling of the planes.
II
Hear the mellow wedding planes -
Golden planes!
What a world of happiness their harmony foretells!
Through the balmy air of night
How they ring out their delight!
From the molten-golden notes,
And all in tune,
What a liquid ditty floats
To the turtle-dove that listens, while she gloats
On the moon!
Oh, from out the sounding cells
What a gush of euphony voluminously wells!
How it swells!
How it dwells
On the Future! - how it tells
Of the rapture that impels
To the swinging and the ringing
Of the planes, planes, planes
Of the planes, planes, planes, planes,
Planes, planes, planes -
To the rhyming and the chiming of the planes!
III
Hear the loud alarum planes -
Brazen planes!
What a tale of terror, now, their turbulency tells!
In the startled ear of night
How they scream out their affright!
Too much horrified to speak,
They can only shriek, shriek,
Out of tune,
In a clamorous appealing to the mercy of the fire,
In a mad expostulation with the deaf and frantic fire,
Leaping higher, higher, higher,
With a desperate desire,
And a resolute endeavor
Now - now to sit or never,
By the side of the pale-faced moon.
Oh, the planes, planes, planes!
What a tale their terror tells
Of despair!
How they clang, and clash, and roar!
What a horror they outpour
On the bosom of the palpitating air!
Yet the ear it fully knows,
By the twanging
And the clanging,
How the danger ebbs and flows;
Yet the ear distinctly tells,
In the jangling
And the wrangling,
How the danger sinks and swells,
By the sinking or the swelling in the anger of the planes -
Of the planes,
Of the planes, planes, planes, planes,
Planes, planes, planes -
In the clamor and the clangor of the planes!
IV
Hear the tolling of the planes -
Iron planes!
What a world of solemn thought their monody compels!
In the silence of the night,
How we shiver with affright
At the melancholy menace of their tone!
For every sound that floats
From the rust within their throats
Is a groan.
And the people -ah, the people -
They that dwell up in the steeple,
All alone,
And who tolling, tolling, tolling,
In that muffled monotone,
Feel a glory in so rolling
On the human heart a stone -
They are neither man nor woman -
They are neither brute nor human -
They are Ghouls:
And their king it is who tolls;
And he rolls, rolls, rolls,
Rolls
A paean from the planes!
And his merry bosom swells
With the paean of the planes!
And he dances, and he yells;
Keeping time, time, time,
In a sort of Runic rhyme,
To the paean of the planes,
Of the planes -
Keeping time, time, time,
In a sort of Runic rhyme,
To the throbbing of the planes,
Of the planes, planes, planes -
To the sobbing of the planes;
Keeping time, time, time,
As he knells, knells, knells,
In a happy Runic rhyme,
To the rolling of the planes,
Of the planes, planes, planes -
To the tolling of the planes,
Of the planes, planes, planes, planes -
Planes, planes, planes -
To the moaning and the groaning of the planes.
> On Apr 16, 1:37 pm, timstter <timst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Er, but the planes, crickets. The planes we see in the films? These
> > didn't actually exist?
> > Concerned Regards,
> > Tim Brennan
> > Sydney, Australia
> > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
> Put your right index finger on your temple and say airplane
> backwards.
> Children fall for that one every time.
> Isn't it rich, aren't we a pair
> Me here at last on the ground - and you in mid-air
> Send in the planes
> Isn't it bliss, don't you approve
> One who keeps tearing around - and one who can't move
> But where are the planes - send in the planes
> Just when I stopped opening doors
> Finally finding the one that I wanted - was yours
> Making my entrance again with my usual flair
> So sure of my lines - then nobody's there
> Don't you love a farce; my fault I fear
> I thought that you'd want what I want - sorry my dear
> But where are the planes - there ought to be planes
> Maybe next year
> Isn't it rich, isn't it queer
> Losing my timing this late in my career
> But where are the planes - send in the planes
> There's got to be planes
> Hear the sledges with the planes -
> Silver planes!
> What a world of merriment their melody foretells!
> How they tinkle, tinkle, tinkle,
> In the icy air of night!
> While the stars that oversprinkle
> All the heavens seem to twinkle
> With a crystalline delight;
> Keeping time, time, time,
> In a sort of Runic rhyme,
> To the tintinnabulation that so musically wells
> From the planes, planes, planes, planes,
> Planes, planes, planes -
> From the jingling and the tinkling of the planes.
> II
> Hear the mellow wedding planes -
> Golden planes!
> What a world of happiness their harmony foretells!
> Through the balmy air of night
> How they ring out their delight!
> From the molten-golden notes,
> And all in tune,
> What a liquid ditty floats
> To the turtle-dove that listens, while she gloats
> On the moon!
> Oh, from out the sounding cells
> What a gush of euphony voluminously wells!
> How it swells!
> How it dwells
> On the Future! - how it tells
> Of the rapture that impels
> To the swinging and the ringing
> Of the planes, planes, planes
> Of the planes, planes, planes, planes,
> Planes, planes, planes -
> To the rhyming and the chiming of the planes!
> III
> Hear the loud alarum planes -
> Brazen planes!
> What a tale of terror, now, their turbulency tells!
> In the startled ear of night
> How they scream out their affright!
> Too much horrified to speak,
> They can only shriek, shriek,
> Out of tune,
> In a clamorous appealing to the mercy of the fire,
> In a mad expostulation with the deaf and frantic fire,
> Leaping higher, higher, higher,
> With a desperate desire,
> And a resolute endeavor
> Now - now to sit or never,
> By the side of the pale-faced moon.
> Oh, the planes, planes, planes!
> What a tale their terror tells
> Of despair!
> How they clang, and clash, and roar!
> What a horror they outpour
> On the bosom of the palpitating air!
> Yet the ear it fully knows,
> By the twanging
> And the clanging,
> How the danger ebbs and flows;
> Yet the ear distinctly tells,
> In the jangling
> And the wrangling,
> How the danger sinks and swells,
> By the sinking or the swelling in the anger of the planes -
> Of the planes,
> Of the planes, planes, planes, planes,
> Planes, planes, planes -
> In the clamor and the clangor of the planes!
> IV
> Hear the tolling of the planes -
> Iron planes!
> What a world of solemn thought their monody compels!
> In the silence of the night,
> How we shiver with affright
> At the melancholy menace of their tone!
> For every sound that floats
> From the rust within their throats
> Is a groan.
> And the people -ah, the people -
> They that dwell up in the steeple,
> All alone,
> And who tolling, tolling, tolling,
> In that muffled monotone,
> Feel a glory in so rolling
> On the human heart a stone -
> They are neither man nor woman -
> They are neither brute nor human -
> They are Ghouls:
> And their king it is who tolls;
> And he rolls, rolls, rolls,
> Rolls
> A paean from the planes!
> And his merry bosom swells
> With the paean of the planes!
> And he dances, and he yells;
> Keeping time, time, time,
> In a sort of Runic rhyme,
> To the paean of the planes,
> Of the planes -
> Keeping time, time, time,
> In a sort of Runic rhyme,
> To the throbbing of the planes,
> Of the planes, planes, planes -
> To the sobbing of the planes;
> Keeping time, time, time,
> As he knells, knells, knells,
> In a happy Runic rhyme,
> To the rolling of the planes,
> Of the planes, planes, planes -
> To the tolling of the planes,
> Of the planes, planes, planes, planes -
> Planes, planes, planes -
> To the moaning and the groaning of the planes.
Isn't it wonderful that they are giving internet access to the
mentally ill.
> On Apr 17, 9:21 pm, Crickets <bongblas...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 16, 1:37 pm, timstter <timst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Er, but the planes, crickets. The planes we see in the films? These
> > > didn't actually exist?
> > > Concerned Regards,
> > > Tim Brennan
> > > Sydney, Australia
> > > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
> > Put your right index finger on your temple and say airplane
> > backwards.
> > Children fall for that one every time.
> > Isn't it rich, aren't we a pair
> > Me here at last on the ground - and you in mid-air
> > Send in the planes
> > Isn't it bliss, don't you approve
> > One who keeps tearing around - and one who can't move
> > But where are the planes - send in the planes
> > Just when I stopped opening doors
> > Finally finding the one that I wanted - was yours
> > Making my entrance again with my usual flair
> > So sure of my lines - then nobody's there
> > Don't you love a farce; my fault I fear
> > I thought that you'd want what I want - sorry my dear
> > But where are the planes - there ought to be planes
> > Maybe next year
> > Isn't it rich, isn't it queer
> > Losing my timing this late in my career
> > But where are the planes - send in the planes
> > There's got to be planes
> > Hear the sledges with the planes -
> > Silver planes!
> > What a world of merriment their melody foretells!
> > How they tinkle, tinkle, tinkle,
> > In the icy air of night!
> > While the stars that oversprinkle
> > All the heavens seem to twinkle
> > With a crystalline delight;
> > Keeping time, time, time,
> > In a sort of Runic rhyme,
> > To the tintinnabulation that so musically wells
> > From the planes, planes, planes, planes,
> > Planes, planes, planes -
> > From the jingling and the tinkling of the planes.
> > II
> > Hear the mellow wedding planes -
> > Golden planes!
> > What a world of happiness their harmony foretells!
> > Through the balmy air of night
> > How they ring out their delight!
> > From the molten-golden notes,
> > And all in tune,
> > What a liquid ditty floats
> > To the turtle-dove that listens, while she gloats
> > On the moon!
> > Oh, from out the sounding cells
> > What a gush of euphony voluminously wells!
> > How it swells!
> > How it dwells
> > On the Future! - how it tells
> > Of the rapture that impels
> > To the swinging and the ringing
> > Of the planes, planes, planes
> > Of the planes, planes, planes, planes,
> > Planes, planes, planes -
> > To the rhyming and the chiming of the planes!
> > III
> > Hear the loud alarum planes -
> > Brazen planes!
> > What a tale of terror, now, their turbulency tells!
> > In the startled ear of night
> > How they scream out their affright!
> > Too much horrified to speak,
> > They can only shriek, shriek,
> > Out of tune,
> > In a clamorous appealing to the mercy of the fire,
> > In a mad expostulation with the deaf and frantic fire,
> > Leaping higher, higher, higher,
> > With a desperate desire,
> > And a resolute endeavor
> > Now - now to sit or never,
> > By the side of the pale-faced moon.
> > Oh, the planes, planes, planes!
> > What a tale their terror tells
> > Of despair!
> > How they clang, and clash, and roar!
> > What a horror they outpour
> > On the bosom of the palpitating air!
> > Yet the ear it fully knows,
> > By the twanging
> > And the clanging,
> > How the danger ebbs and flows;
> > Yet the ear distinctly tells,
> > In the jangling
> > And the wrangling,
> > How the danger sinks and swells,
> > By the sinking or the swelling in the anger of the planes -
> > Of the planes,
> > Of the planes, planes, planes, planes,
> > Planes, planes, planes -
> > In the clamor and the clangor of the planes!
> > IV
> > Hear the tolling of the planes -
> > Iron planes!
> > What a world of solemn thought their monody compels!
> > In the silence of the night,
> > How we shiver with affright
> > At the melancholy menace of their tone!
> > For every sound that floats
> > From the rust within their throats
> > Is a groan.
> > And the people -ah, the people -
> > They that dwell up in the steeple,
> > All alone,
> > And who tolling, tolling, tolling,
> > In that muffled monotone,
> > Feel a glory in so rolling
> > On the human heart a stone -
> > They are neither man nor woman -
> > They are neither brute nor human -
> > They are Ghouls:
> > And their king it is who tolls;
> > And he rolls, rolls, rolls,
> > Rolls
> > A paean from the planes!
> > And his merry bosom swells
> > With the paean of the planes!
> > And he dances, and he yells;
> > Keeping time, time, time,
> > In a sort of Runic rhyme,
> > To the paean of the planes,
> > Of the planes -
> > Keeping time, time, time,
> > In a sort of Runic rhyme,
> > To the throbbing of the planes,
> > Of the planes, planes, planes -
> > To the sobbing of the planes;
> > Keeping time, time, time,
> > As he knells, knells, knells,
> > In a happy Runic rhyme,
> > To the rolling of the planes,
> > Of the planes, planes, planes -
> > To the tolling of the planes,
> > Of the planes, planes, planes, planes -
> > Planes, planes, planes -
> > To the moaning and the groaning of the planes.
> Isn't it wonderful that they are giving internet access to the
> mentally ill.
yeah....its the intellectually impaired who are paid to police it.
so far the mentally ill seem to make more sense. The fact that your
ilk still permitted to breath; surely shows their patience with
vermin.
This is How THE_END for Jews of Israeli persuasion STARTS and YOU all
KNOW what it will look like. It is not ironic that IT SHALL BE THE
AMERICANS, whom once absorbed the following document; Shall be the
DESTROYER of your DECEASED peoples and NATION:
It won't be long before a massive 9 richter hits west coast of the
US....her days are numbered just the same as Israel. But she will get
you before she dies. Just like the Romans and Judea as documented
previously by god himslef
