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Finland has slowed?
I understand that the Finns are hardy enthused about his immigration and
that a racist backlash ensued during the 90s.
J. Anderson
"Informer" <rejectspa...@earthlink.org> skrev i meddelandet
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> Does anyone know if the influx of Somali and other African immigrants to
> Finland has slowed?
Influx? Is that what you call it when a few thousand black refugees settle
among 5 million milk-faces over a period of ten years?
We are in dire need of a real influx. Economically, culturally and
genetically.
> I understand that the Finns are hardy enthused about his immigration and
> that a racist backlash ensued during the 90s.
Like all isolated populations the Finns will need some time to get used to
foreign faces. But I would say that racism in this country pretty well
equals the number of foreigners. In other words, it's quite insignificant.
And you don't see too many skinheads around. Perhaps because of the climate.
But I guess in their skulls there's not much brain that could possibly
freeze.
John
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As for men -Finland was never a colonial power so there is no feeling
of debt to any nations in most Finns' thinking.
Alaca
jannenie...@hotmail.com
Helsinki and Turku from the other towns where they first were placed.
Reasons why lots of Finns did not like the refugees:
Whereas a Finnish person who is unemployed got the rent paid and about
300 euros extra a month - a refugee would get benefit that was to be
equal to the average income in Finland. Later I saw some articles
saying they did not get the money but the officials and middle-men got
them but people commonly thought the refugees got the money and were
thinking why the richest of the poor nations need to come here and why
are the women not women - only men as refugees. Official numbers
claimed differently but anything official tends to be a lie.
As for groups of people the refugees are probably better off than the
gypsies are.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
David Webb
government is stupid to take them.
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thinking. The countries we controlled got roads, education, health services,
judicial systems and parliaments. The debt is in the other direction...
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Finn, would no better than I!
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countries all over the world. Here in the USA its gotten so bad there are
states that are ready to secede.
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example of the rest of the Nordic countries to learn from, but stupid
politicians who are not learning the lessons. In Copenhagen 75% of rapes are
committed by a 5% Muslim minority, and the Finnish government has not policy
to prevent that from happening to Finland. Sweden, as we know, contains
foreign terrorist organisations, no-go areas for the police and social
tensions as a result fo immigration. Finland wants to "catch up" and get the
same problems. Finland is only protected by its hard to learn language, but
even so in 20 years time immigrant population will be much larger, and the
Finns will wonder what they have done.
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David Webb wrote:
> The trouble with Finland is that they have few immigrants so far, and
the
> example of the rest of the Nordic countries to learn from, but stupid
Norway too has very little foreigners yet they have a succesful
far-right party there whereas Finland is not known for far-right
campaigning.
> politicians who are not learning the lessons. In Copenhagen 75% of
rapes are
> committed by a 5% Muslim minority, and the Finnish government has not
policy
Or maybe not. Maybe what happens is that when a drunk woman has sex
with a muslim she claims it be rape.
In Finland there is very little foreigners which is a bit sad in my
opinion but that has not stopped women claiming a foreign man has raped
them.
http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&q=steven+thomas&btnG=Hae&meta=lr%3Dlang_fi
http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/arkisto/9707/970710/9707100199.html
(A black man who played in a reggae band was convicted to 14 years of
jail after some women got HIV from _somewhere_ and he had it as well.
Should be out soon. AFTER he was locked up - there was so many women
who claimed to have been raped by him that he most probably never had
that many women - no matter he was a black man in a reggae band.)
> to prevent that from happening to Finland. Sweden, as we know,
contains
> foreign terrorist organisations, no-go areas for the police and
social
As far as I know the Swedish police itself is what elsewhere would be
considered a criminal organization. I have understood that in some
southern american countries the situation is the same.
> tensions as a result fo immigration. Finland wants to "catch up" and
get the
But on the other hand the Canadians get on reasonably well with their
foreigners ?
> same problems. Finland is only protected by its hard to learn
language, but
Finnish culture is so different that there is no reason the problems of
the other countries would be _mimicked_ here. Obviously there can be
problems but there is nothing to suggest they would be exactly the same
ones. Having said that - I am _not_ for _any_ government-assisted
immigration as far as there is 500000 Finns out of work. Including me.
I would be for emigration if I had the money to move my family out of
here. Were the situation different in Finland - was there less than 5
percent out of work like there used to be - then I would be for
immigration.
University Studies
> The trouble with Finland is that they have few immigrants so far, and the
> example of the rest of the Nordic countries to learn from, but stupid
> politicians who are not learning the lessons. In Copenhagen 75% of rapes
are
> committed by a 5% Muslim minority, and the Finnish government has not
policy
> to prevent that from happening to Finland. Sweden, as we know, contains
> foreign terrorist organisations, no-go areas for the police and social
> tensions as a result fo immigration. Finland wants to "catch up" and get
the
> same problems.
Sure, that is what will force Finland to borrow money off the big banks.
Soon, Finland will become enslaved to the big banks as it goes deeper into
debt, just like America is now enslaved by its huge debt.
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http://www.bof.fi/bofin/gifs/bof_515_0i.gif
They do not hate the stock market it seems, them foreigners, only the
weather is too cold for them so the physical, 'real' foreigners are not
many.
As for borrowing money from banks and enslavement - depends more on
where the money goes. America is not enslaved to the banks as the
economy could easily support far higher debts.
As for Finland, the biggest bank in Finland is 'Nordea'. Its biggest
owner is the state of Sweden.
Ho
"Informer" <rejectspa...@earthlink.org> wrote:
>
> Finnish women love black men??? That is not what I heard! But, you being a
> Finn, would no better than I!
>
> <jannenie...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Women still love the black men.
Only the big cock whores ... which is no big loss, since they're worthless
anyway.
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here. Probably not there either.
If they think when 15 or 16 that a 40 or 50 year-old black man is what
they want - that is what they want.
Markku Jantunen
> Well Britain was a colonial power, but there is no feeling
> of debt in my thinking. The countries we controlled got roads,
Correct.
> education, health services, judicial systems and parliaments.
Typically, you would select a tribe and train it to do much
of the governing on your behalf because you didn't have the
manpower to run the entire show yourselves. In return, that
tribe would get a piece of the action. Naturally, it would
infuriate the others. To keep the situation under control,
time-honoured imperial strategies such as fostering
inter-ethnic conflicts were employed, particularly when there
was resistance to British colonial rule in some region.
After independence, many civil wars were fought and genocides
committed along those lines.
> The debt is in the other direction...
Hardly. The value of all the raw materials extracted from
the colonies far exceeds the value anything European colonists
ever did for them. You may attribute the industralization of
Europe to the availability of abundant raw materials. I don't
think you had much impact on the overall situation in the colonies.
The natives had always been enslaving and killing each other
with great gusto.
- mj
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> "David Webb" <djweb...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > Well Britain was a colonial power, but there is no feeling
> > of debt in my thinking. The countries we controlled got roads,
>
> Correct.
>
> > education, health services, judicial systems and parliaments.
> Europe to the availability of abundant raw materials. I don't
> think you had much impact on the overall situation in the colonies.
Not only africa they colonized.
http://www.oldnewspublishing.com/opium.htm
As for my opposition for bringing refugees to Finland - mostly it is
because they do not seem to be able to figure out which ones are the
most needy. There is no point in bureaucratic corrupt screening
processes or taking a stick and measuring their members when it would
be easy to offer a better life for those who actually are in a bad
situation. I would be for slowly increasing Finland's population four
to ten times with people from around the world. There is lots of space
around the lakes for new towns - if anyone was stupid enough to want to
come here.
As for the problems in the other countries - I have no idea which
causes them - but I could imagine they been taking in people to do
simple servant-kind jobs like Swedes took Finns in to do and then the
people with different skin colors found none and were pushed into
criminality - with the only option being to starve --- because the
central bureaucracies have no idea of what is going in the society.
Biggest problems in Finland are all the countless crooks who pose as
holier-than-thou entreprenours with dirty business on the side and the
politicians listening to them - not the refugees.
For me it does not seem that the number of foreigners in a country has
so much to do with its economical or other progress. What creates the
problems is that when people oppose the foreigners and the government
thinks differently people take law into their own hands. It would be
better for governments to be honest and say "foreigners will be
executed" than to lie and act "humane"
"Across Europe, far-right parties have used concern over rising crime
and a growing immigrant population to gather support. Voters are
supporting these parties, say analysts, because centrist parties have
been unwilling to address these concerns."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0515/p01s03-woeu.html
In the chart there is far-right parties for Denmark and Norway. I
looked up the number of foreigners - whereas Denmark has relatively
lots Norway has about the same as Finland. There is no far-right
parties here though. Maybe that has something to do with most Finns'
feeling it is not really us who run the country.
Nearest to far-right would be the skinheads who are not that organized
and thus only local problems for the black foreigners.
http://www.alli.fi/nuorisotutkimus497.html
finnish
http://www.alli.fi/nuorisotutkimus/julkaisut/virtanen/1/8.html
english
(Link is to an organizations' which is extremely corrupt and a total
waste of tax-payers money - site. "esimerkiksi romanien myytinomaiseen
ep?rehellisyyteen verrattuna valkoiset suomalaiset luonnehditaan
rehellisiksi." "compared to the mythical dishonesty white Finns are
characterized as honest" - now that line makes no sense - gypsies _are_
dishonest with lots of them being in jail no matter what some
governmental moron says - the reasons are a different matter - they are
given no chance to be honest - whereas the Swedish minority has its own
schools and universities where they go in far greater numbers than
Finns there is nothing of the like for the gypsies - ever after the
king of sweden felt like some of the gypsies who wandered into Sweden
have to be moved to Finland they have not been liked nor given chances
in life.
(From the text in the link) "Among other things, such racist practices
involve attempts to humiliate these Others through physical assaults
and verbal abuse, which 'prove' the masculinity of the attackers and
'reduce' the victims to 'sissies': a form of emasculation and
effeminization (Willis 1978)" -That sounds exactly like the official
governmental line of the Swedish government.
)
http://www.saunalahti.fi/g333/
(needs no comment)
Nearest to what one could even try to consider far-right would be
perussuomalaiset famous for one of its mps - tony halme - who wrestled
and boxed professionally - but it is a lot more like the christian
parties (or whatever one calls such - is there any - christian churches
maybe - the finnish christian party is more a collective of nutcases
put into one party than a real political force) in other countries than
a far-right party.
http://www.perussuomalaiset.fi/vaalit2003/helsinki/halme_tony.html
"A humane pension plus basic security
of 5,000 Finnish marks should be guaranteed for all.""- Street
prostitution must be brought to an end.
The advertising of sexual services - including prostitu-
tion - in the press, on radio, or on television should be
prohibited by law."
Personally I believe the "rise" of the far-right has more to do with
the WW II being finally out of european peoples minds so some of them
are starting to say what they think than there being more immigrants
and thus its more like the old-fashioned nazism than "neo"nazism or
"far-right". The hate exists all the time in people and some of them
are more open about it than some others.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
It is not like I was exaggerating or anything.
Thats what happens in bigger towns. Or the couple of them there are.
- In smaller ones its young women and some of the men about 30 or 40
from the small town who still go around driving pillurallia (I dont
know what that is in english - when young people go around with cars
around the town as there is absolutely nothing else to do - that is
what I did as well when I got my licence) - most of the men who are
still single by the age of say 22-25 or so give up and stay in the town
sitting at home watching tv and women have left for bigger towns before
they turned 19 or so.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
Finnish
government is stupid to take them."
Some think the same about Finns.
******************
http://www.jippii.fi/jsp/forum/thread.jsp?b=politiikka&t=44669
Asplund ja rasismi?
Liberte kirjoitti 9.2 7:48 ilmianna asiaton viesti
vastaa
"nuori opiskelija Ida Asplund on palannut 1850-luvun germaaniseen
rotumytologiaan (HS Nyt 4.2.) ja vaatii aidoilta suomenruotsalaisilta
geenitodistusta. Tämän ajattelun seurauksia muistettiin äskettäin
Auschwitzin vapautumisen 60-vuotisjuhlassa.
Asplund ei näytä edes tietävän, että monet tunnetuista
suomenruotsalaisista polveutuvat suomenkielisistä talonpojista.
Esimerkiksi Topeliusten nimi väännettiin Toppilasta. 1800-luvun
loppupuolelle saakka korkeampaa koulutusta sai vain maassamme vain
ruotsiksi ja latinaksi.
Fiksumpaa ajattelua edusti professori Fred Karlsson Svenska
litteratursällskapetin juhlassa (Hbl 7.2). Hän vaati lopettamaan
hyssyttelyn suomenruotsalaisesta rasismista, jonka loi ennen muuta
A.O.Freudenthal. Keskeiset instituutiot palvovat yhä hänen muistoaan,
kun taas suomalaiskansallisen liikkeen motiiveja ei useinkaan haluta
ymmärtää."
Iltalehti 8.2.2005
Mitähän ovat nämä "keskeiset instituutiot", jotka palvovat
Freudenthalin muistoa? Hmm.. RKP:n nettisivut:
"Järjestön vaikutin oli Axel Olof Freudenthal, jonka myös voi
nähdä Ruotsalaisen kansanpuolueen henkisenä isänä."
http://www.sfp.fi/fi/page.php?pageid=44
*************
In short:
Young Finnish Umea university student called Ida Asplund wants the
"finlands"swedes who live in Finland to have gene certificates so that
there is no mix up between swedes and finns.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
settle
among 5 million milk-faces over a period of ten years?"
The vietnamese settled in well. If they love so much the idea of taking
in refugees - they should take more people of different origins - not
only african males.
There would be chinese - indian - pakistani - south american - etc. to
choose from to make the country more ethnically diverse.
David Webb
> to ten times with people from around the world. There is lots of space
> around the lakes for new towns - if anyone was stupid enough to want to
> come here.
You mean you actually want Finns to be in a *minority* in their own country!
With traitors like you around, why did Finland bother fighting the Winter
War?
> For me it does not seem that the number of foreigners in a country has
> so much to do with its economical or other progress.
Well you don't know, as you haven't got as many foreigners as other
countries, so you are talking about something you know nothing about. In
Copenhagen 75% of rapes are by the 5% Muslim minority.
There is no far-right
> parties here though. Maybe that has something to do with most Finns'
> feeling it is not really us who run the country.
Well there is Olavi Mäenpää's party in Turku and the Perussuomalaiset who
have raised the subject of immigration.
Stein R
> I would be for slowly increasing Finland's population four
>> to ten times with people from around the world. There is lots of
>> space around the lakes for new towns - if anyone was stupid enough to
>> want to come here.
>
> You mean you actually want Finns to be in a *minority* in their own
> country! With traitors like you around, why did Finland bother
> fighting the Winter War?
>
>> For me it does not seem that the number of foreigners in a country
>> has so much to do with its economical or other progress.
>
> Well you don't know, as you haven't got as many foreigners as other
> countries, so you are talking about something you know nothing about.
> In Copenhagen 75% of rapes are by the 5% Muslim minority.
Really ? According to Danish police statistics, there were 64
reported rapes (and 42 convictions) in Copenhagen in 2001, out
of a national total of 493 reported rapes and 304 convictions.
Are you claiming that 48 out of 64 reported rapes in Copenhagen
were reported as having been done by moslems ? Or that 32 out of
42 convictions were against moslems ? Or something entirely diffe-
rent ?
There seems to be on the order of 4-500 000 people in Copenhagen.
You claim that 5% of these (ie around 20-25 000) are moslems.
Even if we assume worst case, and say that 48 out of 20 000 moslems
in Copenhagen have been reported as committing rape, then that would
mean that 0.24% of moslems in Copenhagen are reported as rapists. Or
equivalently, that 99.76% of moslems in Copenhagen are not reported
as committing rape.
I wouldn't be overly worried about moslems in general being dangerous
for society based on those stats. And those stats are based on worst
case assumptions and unsubstatiated claims from you.
Where do you find the stats to support your claim that moslems actu-
ally do commit 75% (ie 48 out of 64) of reported rapes in Copenhagen ?
Grin,
Stein
Informer
being scarred by the massive immigration to our counttry. We no longer have
any ethnic or cultural identity and many of the foreigners do no assimiliate
or learn our language. They are destroying our society. Immigration from
Mexico, mostly illegal, is threatening to turn most of the southwest of the
USA into Mexico itself. Its completely criminal. Keep Finland for the
Finns!
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THAT bored that they have to resort to hooking up with Black guys, then send
them my way - I will be happy to keep them busy!!
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Finland. England is smaller but there lives ten times the people.
I would not say Finns are red-necks
http://kyttaajat.net/
(link to a humoristic page where people tell of their neighbors)
as I have been told by people who have lived in (all) the neighboring
countries that people in them are much more red-neck like with their
hembrent (I dont know if I got it right - pontikka in finnish and
probably moonshine in english) - denmark I know nothing about - or
maybe a red -neck is not what one calls those guys who drink such - but
here that was about the times of the prohibition when that was popular
in the north at least - apparently people smuggled drink from estonia
to the south - but still - Finns like hunting and fishing - what could
you call them - something like this they are:
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,4073,00.asp
There would be tasty foreign food and the foreigners often talk more so
it would not be so darn quiet all the time. I am told it is even worse
in the neighboring countries but have no first-hand experience. There
is a distinct lack of social life in Finnish society.
As for the Winter War - had there been 10 times the population the
russians would have thought twice about attacking in the first place.
However it is cold in Finland so maybe people who the state brings here
would better be young 16-20 so they still would adapt to the climate.
Actually - come to think of it - everybody who went to Finnish army in
Lapland could well be given nationality. Of course everybody who has
enough money to support him/herself say for a couple of years should be
given nationality. That would mean I guess something like 24000 euros a
year so maybe 60000 euros would be enough.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
being scarred by the massive immigration to our counttry."
What were the "original" americans ? Puritans ? Pleasant groups who had
too strict rules for peoples conduct to be allowed in europe ? English
people such as the australians who had committed crimes ?
I looked about the immigration in the net - australia and canada are
encouraging it. I see no reason why Finland should not do the same
after first doing something about the local unemployment.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
THAT bored that they have"
No they like the difference. Its not all of them but some who think
Finnish male is - well what I have understood the neighboring countries
say about us - uncivilised and such. Womens magazines and such keep up
the stereotype of a Finn being - well - a dumb red neck whereas
exciting and exotic foreign men are civilized and so forth.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
the time with) that in his working place there was a black man who was
a priest in africa and had a wife there. Everytime he went to a bar
with the workmates there was lots of women trying to hit on him whereas
all the single workmates were left alone. I dont know if this has
anything to do with the muslims but if the stats are true maybe they
only assume the overseas men to be more sexual in their manner whereas
the women in fact are who are excited about the men.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
know.
Not all places in finland are boring.
http://www.kouvolansanomat.fi/arkisto/vanhat/2005/02/02/uutiset/juttu2/sivu.html
"students in tampere university are forbidden from taking showers as
too many have passed out in showers and caused water damage as the
drain has been covered"
Thought someone is kidding but then they had it on tv news too.
http://www.uta.fi/english/index.html
(nothing about it in the university pages it seems)
David Webb
the entire Danish population - you are right the proportion must be higher
in Copenhagen. But Muslims are responsible for 68% of reported rapes
according to official police statistics, rising to 76% in Copenhagen. It may
very well be that most Muslims in Denmark are not rapists, but there
shouldn't be ANY Muslims in Denmark anyway, and a much higher proportion fo
Muslims commit rape than is the case for Danish men. I suppose you think
Danish women should grin and bear it - doing their bit for
multiculturalism!!
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and submit the Finns to rule by foreigners. That is treason
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Stein R
> R Stein, are you incapable of doing a Google search? Muslims make up
> 4% of the entire Danish population - you are right the proportion must
> be higher in Copenhagen. But Muslims are responsible for 68% of
> reported rapes according to official police statistics, rising to 76%
> in Copenhagen.
And I ask you to provide links to *credible* web sites making such
claims. Go ahead - let us see what *your* sources are.
Let's take a very trivial simple to check example:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/da.html#People
What percentage of the Danish population in 2005 does the Central
Intelligence Agency of the US government think is moslem:
Evangelical Lutheran 95%,
other Protestant and Roman Catholic 3%,
Muslim 2%
So how come you are operating with 4% of the population of Denmark
being moslems ? One wonders why it is so important to you to multiply
by two the correct number of moslems in Denmark ? Is it to make your
scare propaganda "the moslems are taking over" look more realistic ?
What web sites do you base *your* claims on ?
> It may very well be that most Muslims in Denmark are not rapists,
> but there shouldn't be ANY Muslims in Denmark anyway, and a much
> higher proportion fo Muslims commit rape than is the case for
> Danish men. I suppose you think Danish women should grin and bear
> it - doing their bit for multiculturalism!!
I think that poorly formulated rhetorics is not a substitute for
lack of hard facts.
Put up hard facts or shut up, you poor sorry brit wanker in fake
lederhosen.
Grin,
Stein
David Webb
argues that the proportion of Muslims in Denmark is only 2%, not the 4% I
found on one site. Well that makes is EVEN MORE shocking that they are doing
68% of rapes in Denmark and 76% of those in Copenhagen. R Stein: read this
S-L-O-W-L-Y: the fewer Muslims there are in Denmark, the more
disproportionate their participation in rape is. T-H-I-N-K about it!
Stein R
I just pointed out that you didn't _even_ have correct numbers for
stuff that is *trivially* simple to check - like the percentage of
moslems in the Danish population.
When you can't even get simple stuff like that right (or alternatively,
when you chose to lie even about such basic stuff), one is very
sceptical
to accept any other claim of your without a proper source.
So - what is your reputable source for the claim that moslems
are the prepetrator of 68% of reported rapes in Denmark and 76%
of reported rapes in Copenhagen ?
Incidentally, you apparently are not smart enough to see that
your two claims (68% in Denmark and 76% in Copenhagen) crashes
your model theory, which roughly can be summarized: "the more
moslems in a place, the larger the risk of rape".
You are still claiming that 5% of the population of copenhagen
is moslems. Right ? I don't have any particular reason to doubt
that figure, btw. And you are also claiming that the more mos-
lems, the more rapes. Right ?
But we have *also* seen that roughly 2% of the population of
Denmark is moslems. That means, in numbers - that there are
roughly 110 000 moslems total in Denmark (total pop: ca 5.3
million).
One of your claim (which I have no particular reason to doubt)
is that about 25 000 of these are living in Copenhagen city
(pop 499 000). That would leave about 85 000 living in the rest
of the country, where they then would form a group consisting
of 85 000 / (5 300 000 - 499 000) = 1.77% of the population.
There were 493 reported rapes in Denmark in 2001.
There were 64 reported rapes in Copenhagen in 2001
Ie, there were 429 reported rapes outside Copenhagen in 2001
In direct numbers, *you* apparently are claiming that for 2001:
Moslems committed 335 (68%) of the 493 reported rapes in Denmark
Moslems committed 48 (76%) of the 64 reported rapes in Copenhagen
ie Moslems committed 287 of the 429 reported rapes outside Copenhagen
Or to put it another way:
In Copenhagen you are claiming that 25000 moslems committed
48 reported rapes - ie 1.92 reported rapes per 1000 moslems.
*Outside* Copenhagen you are claiming the 85 000 moslems committed
287 reported rapes, ie 3.37 rapes per 1000 moslems.
In Copenhagen you are claiming that 474 000 non-moslems committed
64 - 48 = 16 rapes. or 3.37 rapes per 100 000 non-moslems.
Outside Copenhagen you claim that 4 716 000 non-moslems committed
429 - 287 = 142 rapes, or about 2.99 rapes per 100 000 non-moslems.
So, you are essensially claiming that the place where moslems
make up a larger percentage of population (5% vs 1.77%) see
fewer rapes per capita committed by moslems, but more rapes
per capital committed by non-moslems than the rest of the country.
Or maybe it is just that racists generally are too fucking
dumb to even lie intelligently, so when they just grab some
numbers out of thin air to make up claims, they never stop
to think whether what sounds plausible to an undereducated
idiot will still be plausible when analysed by someone who
uses his brain.
Source for your claims. Put up or shut up, dearie.
Grin,
Stein
Informer
an invasion of foreigners. Believe me when I tell you that it WILL destroy
your culture. Multiculturalism is destructive and your way of life will
suffer for it.
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Stein R
news:rvBRd.671$MY6...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
> You dont understand what you are saying because you have
> not yet experienced an invasion of foreigners.
And you have ? When and where ? What kind of "invasion" ?
How did you experience it. Come on - share your experiences
with us ...
> Believe me when I tell you that it WILL destroy your cul-
> ture. Multiculturalism is destructive and your way of life
> will suffer for it.
And pray tell - how do you imagine current culture and
way of life in Finland (or for that matter - in the other
Nordic countries) *is* ?
The culture I live in is a mix of many cultures already.
My ancestors have been travelling the world for more than
ten centuries, bringing home new ideas from many other
places.
In what inbred, out-of-the-way boondock has *your* ances-
tors been hiding from the law and the rest of the world
in the meantime, if your culture is pure and untainted by
any other cultures ?
Grin,
Stein
David Webb
figure has to be estimated at 80% of the foreign born population. The 5% is
an apparently inaccurate estimate for the % of Muslims in Denmark, not
Copenhagen. The higher estimate favours your side of the argument, not mine.
The figures 68% and 76% come from a report by Pipes and Hedergaard and were
quoted in the Danish Parliamament as well as a Danish newspaper BT.
"Stein R" <ste...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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David Webb
perfectly correlated to race? Next you will be telling me that pensioners
and women commit a proportionate share of crime. As I said, arouse yourself
from your stupor and do a Google search...
"Stein R" <ste...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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David Webb
plain...
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David Webb
attention.
"Stein R" <ste...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Lauri Levanto
Fortunately we got some immigrants here, they built up Finnish Industry (men
like Finlayson, Fazer, Gutzeit, Sinebrykoff tct)
"David Webb" <djweb...@blueyonder.co.uk> kirjoitti
viestissä:mLsRd.123961$B8.1...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
David Webb
Finland WAS just the eastern part of Sweden...
"Lauri Levanto" <lauri....@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
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> Finland has been ruled by foreigners (Sweden and Russia).
> Fortunately we got some immigrants here, they built up Finnish Industry
(men
> like Finlayson, Fazer, Gutzeit, Sinebrykoff tct)
>
> "David Webb" <djweb...@blueyonder.co.uk> kirjoitti
> viestiss:mLsRd.123961$B8.1...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Lauri Levanto
then occupied this land (Instead of Nowgorod).
Lauri
"David Webb" <djweb...@blueyonder.co.uk> kirjoitti
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J. Anderson
> "Lauri Levanto" <lauri....@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
> news:cv7pc1$50s$1...@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi...
> > Finland has been ruled by foreigners (Sweden and Russia).
"David Webb" wrote:
> Er, no! The Swedes weren't foreigners. When Finland belonged to Sweden,
> Finland WAS just the eastern part of Sweden...
Due to some odd (deliberately masochistic?) distortion in the way history is
taught in Finland most Finns really believe that Finland was ruled by
'Sweden'. It's as clever as saying today that Ostrobothnia is ruled by
Finland.
Truth is of course that there existed until 1809 a Kingdom of Sweden, which
geographically was made up of Finland (in older times called Österland =
'Eastland'), Götaland, Norrland, and Svealand.
Finland sent its representatives to the riksdag (parliament), and when the
king was still elected by the people, also the Finns participated. (This
happened first time on February 15th, 1362, and to commemorate that, the
presidential election in Finland is carried out on that day.) Numerous
Swedish military commanders were from Finland (not to mention troops), and
Finnish noblemen rose to high positions in government and sometimes in fact
ruled the whole country.
You might say that at least the kings were 'Swedish', but even that lasted
only for a short period. Soon enough the Vasa lineage was diluted with
German blood. (Later, also the Czars were genetically mainly German!)
When the kingdom was divided in 1809, the western part kept the name Sweden.
If it would have called itself something else instead (like e.g.
Väst-Sverige), today's Finns wouldn't nurture this strange misconception
that Finland used to be ruled by Sweden.
The Finns should start to appreciate their own history. They didn't just pop
up from out of nowhere in 1809 or 1917.
John
David Webb
"J. Anderson" <fer...@mail.REMOVETHIScom> wrote in message
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>
> > "Lauri Levanto" <lauri....@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
> > news:cv7pc1$50s$1...@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi...
>
> > > Finland has been ruled by foreigners (Sweden and Russia).
>
> "David Webb" wrote:
>
> > Er, no! The Swedes weren't foreigners. When Finland belonged to Sweden,
> > Finland WAS just the eastern part of Sweden...
>
> Due to some odd (deliberately masochistic?) distortion in the way history
is
> taught in Finland most Finns really believe that Finland was ruled by
> 'Sweden'. It's as clever as saying today that Ostrobothnia is ruled by
> Finland.
>
> Truth is of course that there existed until 1809 a Kingdom of Sweden,
which
> geographically was made up of Finland (in older times called sterland =
> 'Eastland'), G taland, Norrland, and Svealand.
>
> Finland sent its representatives to the riksdag (parliament), and when the
> king was still elected by the people, also the Finns participated. (This
> happened first time on February 15th, 1362, and to commemorate that, the
> presidential election in Finland is carried out on that day.) Numerous
> Swedish military commanders were from Finland (not to mention troops), and
> Finnish noblemen rose to high positions in government and sometimes in
fact
> ruled the whole country.
>
> You might say that at least the kings were 'Swedish', but even that lasted
> only for a short period. Soon enough the Vasa lineage was diluted with
> German blood. (Later, also the Czars were genetically mainly German!)
>
> When the kingdom was divided in 1809, the western part kept the name
Sweden.
> If it would have called itself something else instead (like e.g.
> Vst-Sverige), today's Finns wouldn't nurture this strange misconception
Lauri Levanto
tried to fight against them.
Lauri
"David Webb" <djweb...@blueyonder.co.uk> kirjoitti
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> No. Before Sweden conquered Finland there was no government in Finland. It
> was just occupied by tribes in the forest...
>
>
> "Lauri Levanto" <lauri....@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
> news:cv9npc$r1n$1...@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi...
> > BEFORE Finlande become a part of Sweden, the Swedes were foreigners, who
> > then occupied this land (Instead of Nowgorod).
> >
> > Lauri
> > "David Webb" <djweb...@blueyonder.co.uk> kirjoitti
> > viestiss:2xQRd.129802$B8.9...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
David Webb
was just occupied by tribes in the forest...
"Lauri Levanto" <lauri....@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
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> BEFORE Finlande become a part of Sweden, the Swedes were foreigners, who
> then occupied this land (Instead of Nowgorod).
>
> Lauri
> "David Webb" <djweb...@blueyonder.co.uk> kirjoitti
> viestiss:2xQRd.129802$B8.9...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
J. Anderson
"David Webb" <djweb...@blueyonder.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:xg1Sd.169686$K7.1...@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> But are you Finnish or Swedish?
Yes ;-)
That is, I regard myself as:
1) A 'Varsinaissuomalainen' (someone from 'Finland Proper');
2) A Western Finn;
3) A Finn;
4) A Nordic (I would say Scandinavian, but the Norwegians wouldn't
understand it...);
5) A 'Balt' (someone from the Baltic Sea basin area);
6) A Northern European (someone from the mainly protestant part of Europe);
7) A European (someone from an EU member country);
8) A Westerner (someone from the Euro-American cultural sphere);
Do I need to go further? A Human. A Mammal. A Vertebrate...
But I don't see myself as a 'Finland Swede' or a 'Helsingforser' (although
born in Helsinki). Maybe because I've been living more abroad than in
Finland.
David Webb
>
> That is, I regard myself as:
>
> 1) A 'Varsinaissuomalainen' (someone from 'Finland Proper');
> 2) A Western Finn;
> 3) A Finn;
> 4) A Nordic (I would say Scandinavian, but the Norwegians wouldn't
> understand it...);
> 5) A 'Balt' (someone from the Baltic Sea basin area);
> 6) A Northern European (someone from the mainly protestant part of
Europe);
> 7) A European (someone from an EU member country);
> 8) A Westerner (someone from the Euro-American cultural sphere);
>
> Do I need to go further? A Human. A Mammal. A Vertebrate...
>
> But I don't see myself as a 'Finland Swede' or a 'Helsingforser' (although
> born in Helsinki). Maybe because I've been living more abroad than in
> Finland.
>
That just means that you have been deculturalised and are a fawning admirer
of the concept of multiculturalism. By the way, if you are a Finland Swede,
you are spelling Andersson wrong.
Stein R
David dear - you do seem have _quite_ a set of predjudices. Ever
had a private talk with a psychologist ? Might be a good idea.
You do seem to have some issues - like this bizarre need to tell
the natives *how* they (in your opinion) should live to preserve
or "save" a culture you apparently is utterly clueless about, and
your need to denounce them as "traitors" if they don't behave as
*you* expect them to.
Wazzamatter ? Not feeling appreciated in Britain, so you are trying
desperately to find someone - anyone - who would like you somewhere
else ?
If so, your social skills need a little work - your behavior here
is *not* the way to win new friends.
Grin,
Stein
David Webb
> David dear - you do seem have _quite_ a set of predjudices. Ever
> had a private talk with a psychologist ? Might be a good idea.
>
> You do seem to have some issues - like this bizarre need to tell
> the natives *how* they (in your opinion) should live to preserve
> or "save" a culture you apparently is utterly clueless about, and
> your need to denounce them as "traitors" if they don't behave as
> *you* expect them to.
>
> Wazzamatter ? Not feeling appreciated in Britain, so you are trying
> desperately to find someone - anyone - who would like you somewhere
> else ?
>
> If so, your social skills need a little work - your behavior here
> is *not* the way to win new friends.
>
> Grin,
> Stein
>
Well Mr Rypern, I think that the psychological approach is more apt with
reference to multiculturalists. They like to continually view themselves in
the mirror: will people think I am moral if I say this? will people look up
to me if I say that? does my bum look big in this? It is like a continual
pretence of concern for people they don't give a damn about. I will overlook
the "you is" conjugation you employed above - can't expect much more from a
Norwegian. But the broader point is that multiculturalism eats at the fabric
of any society; I would have thought you would know that, with your Progress
Party and all. But of course you have a Crown Prince who is married to a
druggie slapper, and a Queen who likes to perform on all fours for the
camera talking to the druggie's kid, so your "culture" is rapidly being
traduced...
Stein R
>>
>> David dear - you do seem have _quite_ a set of predjudices. Ever
>> had a private talk with a psychologist ? Might be a good idea.
>>
>> You do seem to have some issues - like this bizarre need to tell
>> the natives *how* they (in your opinion) should live to preserve
>> or "save" a culture you apparently is utterly clueless about, and
>> your need to denounce them as "traitors" if they don't behave as
>> *you* expect them to.
>>
>> Wazzamatter ? Not feeling appreciated in Britain, so you are trying
>> desperately to find someone - anyone - who would like you somewhere
>> else ?
>>
>> If so, your social skills need a little work - your behavior here
>> is *not* the way to win new friends.
>>
>> Grin,
>> Stein
>>
<snip irrelevant "right back at ya!" rambling>
> above - can't expect much more from a Norwegian. But the broader point
> is that multiculturalism eats at the fabric of any society; I would
> have thought you would know that, with your Progress Party and all.
> But of course you have a Crown Prince who is married to a druggie
> slapper, and a Queen who likes to perform on all fours for the camera
> talking to the druggie's kid, so your "culture" is rapidly being
> traduced...
My point exactly, David dearie. You do seem to feel a strong psycho-
logical (or maybe even psychopatic) need to try to "save" e.g Norwegians
(or Danes, or Swedes, or Finns) from themselves.
Why ?
Grin,
Stein
hyita...@rock.com
rather peculiar teaching of history uncharasteristic of an independent
country. The history is clearly not written by FInns.
Whereas Russia attacked them the Swedes when they attacked were
friendly and the country was called sweden-finland.
J. Anderson
>
> That just means that you have been deculturalised and are a fawning
admirer
> of the concept of multiculturalism.
As far as I remember I haven't discussed multiculturalism with you (or
anyone else) in this newsgroup. Ergo, you cannot possibly know what I think
about that particular topic.
Your conclusion, as a matter of fact, is a logical somersault. The list that
I provided rather points in the direction of eurocentricity.
By the way, if you are a Finland Swede,
> you are spelling Andersson wrong.
Didn't I just point out that I am _not_ a Finland Swede? But regardless of
that, the Nordic -son and -sen names can be spelt pretty much at the
discretion of the bearer. E.g. if are a Karlsson you might also spell it
Carlzon, like the former SAS CEO does.
David Webb
> logical (or maybe even psychopatic) need to try to "save" e.g Norwegians
> (or Danes, or Swedes, or Finns) from themselves.
>
> Why ?
>
> Grin,
> Stein
If that were the case, no one in NOrway would be voting for the Progress
party. As it is, there are plenty of people in Norway who see the issue in
the same terms as I.
David Webb
"J. Anderson" <fer...@mail.REMOVETHIScom> wrote in message
>
> "David Webb" <djweb...@blueyonder.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
> news:138Sd.145652$B8.6...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >
> > That just means that you have been deculturalised and are a fawning
> admirer
> > of the concept of multiculturalism.
>
> As far as I remember I haven't discussed multiculturalism with you (or
> anyone else) in this newsgroup. Ergo, you cannot possibly know what I
think
> about that particular topic.
>
> Your conclusion, as a matter of fact, is a logical somersault. The list
that
> I provided rather points in the direction of eurocentricity.
No, the list you provided was proof that you regarded yourself as a member
of ever wider circles, ultimately the world!
> By the way, if you are a Finland Swede,
> > you are spelling Andersson wrong.
>
> Didn't I just point out that I am _not_ a Finland Swede? But regardless of
> that, the Nordic -son and -sen names can be spelt pretty much at the
> discretion of the bearer. E.g. if are a Karlsson you might also spell it
> Carlzon, like the former SAS CEO does.
>
That doesn't make it right!
J. Anderson
>
> "J. Anderson" <fer...@mail.REMOVETHIScom> wrote in message
> news:cvc83g$fhu$1...@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi...
> >
> > "David Webb" <djweb...@blueyonder.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
> > news:138Sd.145652$B8.6...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > >
> > > That just means that you have been deculturalised and are a fawning
> > admirer
> > > of the concept of multiculturalism.
> >
> > As far as I remember I haven't discussed multiculturalism with you (or
> > anyone else) in this newsgroup. Ergo, you cannot possibly know what I
> think
> > about that particular topic.
> >
> > Your conclusion, as a matter of fact, is a logical somersault. The list
> that
> > I provided rather points in the direction of eurocentricity.
>
> No, the list you provided was proof that you regarded yourself as a
member
> of ever wider circles, ultimately the world!
Ah, and you don't, do you? You're not a human being, ultimately? Well, that
figures.
> > By the way, if you are a Finland Swede,
> > > you are spelling Andersson wrong.
> >
> > Didn't I just point out that I am _not_ a Finland Swede? But regardless
of
> > that, the Nordic -son and -sen names can be spelt pretty much at the
> > discretion of the bearer. E.g. if are a Karlsson you might also spell it
> > Carlzon, like the former SAS CEO does.
>
> That doesn't make it right!
Are you some _special_ kind of dumbo, David?
Stein R
>> My point exactly, David dearie. You do seem to feel a strong
>> psychological (or maybe even psychopatic) need to try to "save"
>> e.g Norwegians (or Danes, or Swedes, or Finns) from themselves.
>>
>> Why ?
>>
>> Grin,
>> Stein
>
> If that were the case, no one in Norway would be voting for the
> Progress party. As it is, there are plenty of people in Norway
> who see the issue in the same terms as I.
Irrelevant.Why do *you* feel a need to tell people in other coun-
tries how they should behave, even telling them that they are
"traitors" if they disagree with you about the supposed dangers
of allowing immigration ?
It wouldn't just happen to be because you feel that you have to
protect the supposed purity of the "white race" or some such racist
claptrap, would it ?
Grin,
Stein
hyita...@rock.com
When lots of people have the same surname it probably is a good idea to
start to differentiate between them.
hyita...@rock.com
druggie slapper"
Sounds like your norwegian or at least have lived there. Brits would
never call anyone else "a druggie slapper" as they have a really strong
pro-drugs culture, (as does Norway), a pro-drugs culture in where to
refuse drugs is a really bad and wrong thing to do and the society
being unshamedly corrupt, can cause extreme problems such as being
locked up and drugged and/or criminal conviction. Often for drugs.
Nobody would speak against drugs or claim someone else does them in a
negative manner at least using their own name. Norwegians have a
capability of having double-standards which the British often do not
possess, so there it would be okay to say something like that.
Among the muslims it is totally okay not to take any drugs or even
booze. I see no problem in such progress. If they bothered to forbid
tobacco as well they might calm down enough to take over the world.
Christian values are different and those christians with harder values
seem to do better than those with softer "let's try all"- values.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
the same terms as I. "
In Finland too but the political culture is different. The skinheads
have no say so they are quiet.
Not that they would be against arabs, aren't they associated with the
neonazist thoughts of the arabs being allies in the fight against the
jews ?
Quite a new thing to be against arabs - it must be as I have never
heard of it before. Well - I dont think I ever saw one. No jews here
either after the second world war at least so the skinheads have had
only blacks and white people who wear the kind of clothes that black
wear to be against.
Being against arabs - must have come now when the american army has
been attacking Iraqis for a while. The hate seeks new victims and
whoever is weakest at the moment is attacked.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
suffer for it. "
Ever occur to you some do not exactly love the way of life there is at
the moment ? The weather is not about to get warmer no matter how many
people of different cultures there was introduced but otherwise life
might actually get better.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
and submit the Finns to rule by foreigners. That is treason "
Well they would not be foreigners anymore if they were given Finnish
nationality. I doubt many would want to come here as there obviously
are warmer alternatives with better economies but were someone a bit
simple and wanted to come here he or she would fit in fine. To say it
directly - Finns are a bit simple after generations of inbreeding.
On a personal level - I always wanted a clever wife so kids would have
a chance in the world. Ended up with a Finnish one (and a divorce is
imminent if someone translates this to her) who ...well.. I'll find
some jokes to describe her
http://www.frontiernet.net/~tzuleger/webjokes/red/redrules.shtml
http://www.frontiernet.net/~tzuleger/webjokes/redneckjokes.htm
..who is too old have children and drinks a lot more than I do.
How is it treason to try to save the country from its cultural
mass-suicide ?
hyita...@rock.com
Russians. That has resulted in all the peaceful people being treated as
the enemy of the state as Finns were too peaceful to save themselves
and being saved by the Russians was not a fate they wanted to achieve
as they, as the rest of the Russians wanted to westernize their
country. Not that they weren't western already but the people in the
west were saying they were not. For clever wives look up the net for
free singles ads or move elsewhere. It's not expensive.
Informer
here in America and I can remember a time when there was not this many
newly arrived immigrants. It was a much happier time and our culture
was more cohesive. However, a tidal wave of Mexicans, Chinese and
other immigratns, most of them here illegally, have invaded our towns
and cities and are eroding the fabric of our culture.
I am not talking about purity here. I am of mixed origin myself but my
point is that if you immigrate to a country from abroad you should make
some attempt to assimilate into that country's mainstream society. The
immigrants that come here dont do that generally. Many never learn
English and complete disrespect us as Americans. We are losing our
national identity very quickly here. I don't believe in racial
superiority but I do believe there is validity in cultural superiority.
African culture is completely at odds with Nordic culture and if you
don't stop the negro invasion you will live to regret the day you
allowed them into your countries. Listen to those who already know!
Save your countries!
David Webb
<jannenie...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "you wish to destroy Finland as a nation state
> and submit the Finns to rule by foreigners. That is treason "
>
> Well they would not be foreigners anymore if they were given Finnish
> nationality.
Yes they would. Official nationality has nothing to do with nationhood. You
cannot relabel a dog as a cat and insist it is a cat.
I doubt many would want to come here as there obviously
> are warmer alternatives with better economies but were someone a bit
> simple and wanted to come here he or she would fit in fine. To say it
> directly - Finns are a bit simple after generations of inbreeding.
I guessed - from your messages!
> On a personal level - I always wanted a clever wife so kids would have
> a chance in the world. Ended up with a Finnish one (and a divorce is
> imminent if someone translates this to her) who ...well.. I'll find
> some jokes to describe her
> http://www.frontiernet.net/~tzuleger/webjokes/red/redrules.shtml
>
> http://www.frontiernet.net/~tzuleger/webjokes/redneckjokes.htm
>
> ..who is too old have children and drinks a lot more than I do.
>
> How is it treason to try to save the country from its cultural
> mass-suicide ?
>
It is treason to LEAD a country to cultural mass suicide.
David Webb
David Webb
> protect the supposed purity of the "white race" or some such racist
> claptrap, would it ?
>
> Grin,
> Stein
Why do you feel the need to do your own race down? No other races do. I
think we should get the psychologist on to this one.
Stein R
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> Well Mr. Stein, I will tell you that I live in a multicultural society
> here in America and I can remember a time when there was not this many
> newly arrived immigrants.
>
> It was a much happier time and our culture was more cohesive.
> However, a tidal wave of Mexicans, Chinese and other immigratns,
> most of them here illegally, have invaded our towns and cities
> and are eroding the fabric of our culture.
You, sir, would have made a natural "know-nothing" in the mid-1800s.
That is when some of your ancestors was complaining about how the
Irish and Polish and what not emigrants were "eroding the fabric of
your culture".
If your ancestors had even arrived in the US by 1850 or so. A *lot*
of Americans has ancestors who arrived between 1880 and 1920 or so.
So what time are you refering to as a "much happier time" above ?
When were *you* born and in what part of America ?
> I am not talking about purity here. I am of mixed origin myself
> but my point is that if you immigrate to a country from abroad
> you should make some attempt to assimilate into that country's
> mainstream society. The immigrants that come here dont do that
> generally. Many never learn English and complete disrespect us
> as Americans. We are losing our national identity very quickly
> here.
Clearly .... Christmas is under attack too. Film at 11!
Run chicken little, run.
> I don't believe in racial superiority but I do believe there is
> validity in cultural superiority. African culture is completely
> at odds with Nordic culture and if you don't stop the negro
> invasion you will live to regret the day you allowed them into
> your countries. Listen to those who already know!
> Save your countries!
What on earth are you babling about ? What "negro invasion". There
are presently over 4.5 million Norwegians, and a mere 349 000 (7.6%)
people with immigrant background.
Of these 349 000 people with immigrant background, 289 000 came
to Norway themselves, and 60 000 were born in Norway to two parents
born outside Norway.
If you look at the background of these people, 40% came from Asia,
16% from Eastern Europe, 15% from other Nordic countries, 12% from
Africa, 10% from Western Europe and 7% from various other places.
12% of 349 000 people is about 42 000. In a population of 4 577 456
people. 0.91% of the population. No matter how different you believe
human cultures to be, that's hardly a drop in the bucket.
But by all means - feel free to tell me what *you* think will make
a person from the continent of Africa unable to have pretty much
the same basic values as anyone else when it comes to building up
society instead of tearing it down.
Grin,
Stein, which is a personal name, not a surname.
Stein R
$K7....@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
Yep, having a poorly functioning binary brain (where *all* choices
has only two options - the opposite extremes of a large set of options
for the rest of us) is the classical symptom of racists and other
simpletons.
I pity you, you poor man. Must be *terribly* difficult for you to
live with a world where there are more than two options even when
doing simple stuff like buying a cup of coffee.
Grin,
Stein
David Webb
where the Third Way aka triangulation is prized by Tony Blair. The third way
is to trade with and invest in the whole world on the basis of mutual
advantage, but to maintain our societies and our national identity.
"Stein R" <ste...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "David Webb" <djweb...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:lsPSd.197831
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David Webb
and cultural conflict is "betterment". Who are you trying to convince? Me or
yourself?
<jannenie...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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David Webb
> That is when some of your ancestors was complaining about how the
> Irish and Polish and what not emigrants were "eroding the fabric of
> your culture".
Correction: some of your ancestors WERE complaining... "And what not" goes
at the end of a sentence, eg Irish and Polish and what not. Strictly
speaking it's incorrect used adjectivally. As to the content of the
paragraph above: it is a matter of history that the Irish and Polish, being
white, have assimilated into America. Now you may argue that other
minorities will do so too, but to argue that you would have to argue AGAINST
multi-culturalism. You would need to argue that one day the ethnic
minorities will drop their immigrant cultures and assimilate on the basis of
AMERICAN culture, as have the Irish and Poles. For one thing, that means
Hispanics no longer speaking Spanish, just as third generation white
immigrants of various linguistic backgrounds generally only speak English.
Do T-H-I-N-K before posting next time! It reduces the tedium.
> If your ancestors had even arrived in the US by 1850 or so. A *lot*
> of Americans has ancestors who arrived between 1880 and 1920 or so.
A lot of Americans HAVE...
> So what time are you refering to as a "much happier time" above ?
> When were *you* born and in what part of America ?
>
>
> Clearly .... Christmas is under attack too. Film at 11!
>
> Run chicken little, run.
>
>
> What on earth are you babling about ? What "negro invasion". There
> are presently over 4.5 million Norwegians, and a mere 349 000 (7.6%)
> people with immigrant background.
>
> Of these 349 000 people with immigrant background, 289 000 came
> to Norway themselves, and 60 000 were born in Norway to two parents
> born outside Norway.
>
> If you look at the background of these people, 40% came from Asia,
> 16% from Eastern Europe, 15% from other Nordic countries, 12% from
> Africa, 10% from Western Europe and 7% from various other places.
>
> 12% of 349 000 people is about 42 000. In a population of 4 577 456
> people. 0.91% of the population. No matter how different you believe
> human cultures to be, that's hardly a drop in the bucket.
Well to highlight Africans is to pick on one egregious example. I expect
your interlocutor meant non-whites as a whole, who are just over 50% of your
sample, or say 4% of the Norwegian population. If it can be permanently
frozen at 4%, that is one thing. But in the UK the non-white ethnic
minorities were 9% of the population in the 2001 census, but about 17% of
the population under 5. As they say in the US, do the math!!
> But by all means - feel free to tell me what *you* think will make
> a person from the continent of Africa unable to have pretty much
> the same basic values as anyone else when it comes to building up
> society instead of tearing it down.
>
Well that depends on such factors as crime rates. The point is refugees come
from FAILED countries. They are unlikely to improve our societies by
bringing their problems with them. England is a major centre of terrorist
finance, and many refugees are known terrorist who - yes I know, it is
almost unbelievable - will not be sent back to their countries by the
British governments in case they are executed by their own governments for
terrorism. If you are a terrorist and you turn up at Heathrow airport, you
are, as the Irish, "in like Flynn".
Stein R
> refugees come from FAILED countries.
<irony>
Totally unlike the white people who emigrated from Poland, varioys
German states, France, Norway, Finland, Ireland etc to America.
Those countries were so great to live in during the 1800s that no-
body will ever understand why anyone would chose to emigrate to
America.
</irony>
Moron.
Grin,
Stein
jannenie...@hotmail.com
the enemy of the state as Finns were too peaceful to save themselves"
No. Look at how people look like. In eastern and northern Finland there
are people who like to talk and do not boast how mighty they are. In
the west there are lots of those who look exactly like Swedes even
though they speak Finnish. What has happened you may ask ?
The Swedish viking came and raped the women and killed the men (or
v.v.) and they did that enough times the people started to look like
Viking. Think now. 1 Finn 1 Swede = 1/2 then 1/2 Finn 1 Swede = 1/4
then 1/4 Finn 1 Swede = 1/8 later it happened the Swedish king took the
peasants - the Finns who were not given stolen land - and forced them
fight in his army in Germany. They died there - meantime - the Swedes
who were given the land and the taxes stolen from the Finns were
impregnation the Finnish women and even today it happens as the Swedish
or Viking population has more money they are able to attract women in
larger numbers than the Finns.
Not expensive to move but too expensive as is taking a wife.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
I guessed - from your messages!"
Well I never claimed otherwise.
"> How is it treason to try to save the country from its cultural
> mass-suicide ?
It is treason to LEAD a country to cultural mass suicide. "
Culture is gone already. People will start declining soon as women
somehow do not want anymore babies to such a country.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
foreigners are caught more often. If they committed the crimes is
another matter.
AIDS - there is a very easy method not to get AIDS. No sex.
Has worked fine for me. Involuntary method but works fine.
Rising taxes - they are high already. If the foreigners are treated
fairly they get work and are able to set up legal businesses in which
case they pay taxes and thus help to lower the burden on the others.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
finance, and many refugees are known terrorist who - yes I know, it is
almost unbelievable - will not be sent back to their countries by the
British governments in case they are executed by their own governments
for
terrorism. If you are a terrorist and you turn up at Heathrow airport,
you
are, as the Irish, "in like Flynn". "
take in. They could select hard-working people but no - those they
throw out and in with the terrorists. That has nothing to do with the
general foreign population - it is the governments you need to hate -
not the foreigners.
J. Anderson
<jannenie...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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Have you ever thought about the possibility that non-Nordic readers might
take your posts seriously?
jannenie...@hotmail.com
crap of the history books and newspaper articles which are cleansed of
anything that might upset the status quo which usually means there is
no truth left in them.
David Webb
economic distress or even political problems, but did not bring terrorism,
rape, drugs etc with them. As for AIDS, to get into the US in those days,
you had to be disease free! Now, of course, 100% the opposite. In England
HIV+ illegal immigrants can't be sent back...
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Yes, this is the first sensible you have said. I don't hate the
foreigners!!!!! I do despise our governments! The immigrants are only trying
to better themselves. But our governments should be seeking the interests of
our nations, not the human rights of migrants. We have frequently turned
away educated white immigrants from eg Poland (before accession to the EU)
in favour of illiterate Afghan peasants - which hasn't stopped the
government from claiming we need immigrant doctors etc. Because those Afghan
peasants all have degrees in medicine, you know!
J. Anderson
<jannenie...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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Truth? Is truth always dramatic and divergent? Perhaps it is simply boring
and self-evident.
hyita...@rock.com
You lack the outside-view. As a Finn you probably assume those around
you act like they do all the time. Not so. To different nationalities,
members of a nationality act differently.
hyita...@rock.com
> "treated as
> Viking. Think now. 1 Finn 1 Swede = 1/2 then 1/2 Finn 1 Swede = 1/4
> then 1/4 Finn 1 Swede = 1/8 later it happened the Swedish king took
the
> peasants - the Finns who were not given stolen land - and forced them
Not so in England. Only a small percentage of Viking blood. Maybe they
did not appreciate the English female or male beauty.
Me
Not just because of the obvious, but because their biochemistry is all
wrong for the Northern Hemisphere.
Sure, we all started out for Africa, but that was billions of years ago
and we evolved along the way, whilst moving North. You can't just
pluck a black person out of the jungle or desert of Africa and plop him
down in a totally different enviroment.
Kari Yli-Kuha
Why not?
Just because Pacific Bell tells so?
Just because Foxnews tells so?
Or just because GWB tells so?
/C
J. Anderson
"Kari Yli-Kuha" <yli...@sqc.fi> skrev i meddelandet
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Strange that there has been no huge problems with plucking white persons
from Europe and 'plopping' them all around the globe.
Me
Me
J. Anderson
"Me" <TheSwed...@yahoo.se> skrev i meddelandet
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> Then why have skin cancer rated skyrocketed?
Don't you really know?
Markku Grönroos
"J. Anderson" <fer...@mail.REMOVETHIScom> kirjoitti viestissä
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might develop cancer. Why then, don't even ask.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
Finns look up to Swedes (and Norwegians for that matter)- media
reflects that. Swedes are considered educated and intellectual and all
things positive. They are civilized and have good manners. Eat well and
drink fine wine.
Reality:
They love..
http://www.sluk.net/ezimagecatalogue/catalogue/variations/45-200x200.jpg
lots of pictures.. (women too use that)
http://images.google.fi/images?hl=fi&lr=&q=snus&btnG=Hae
some official site:
http://www.swedish-snus.com/
and even I with my truly bad Swedish can understand "moonshine more
usual"
"HEMBRÄNT ALLT VANLIGARE Alkohol motsvarande åtta flaskor starksprit
- det är vad 16-åriga svenska tjejer i genomsnitt får i sig per år.
Den hembrända spriten blir vanligare. 40 procent av tonårstjejerna
drack hembränt det senaste året enligt ESPAD 99. OBS! Bilden är
arrangerad. "
http://images.google.fi/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0102/19/NYHETER-LS-sprit2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,32724,00.html%3Fp%3Dsidtopp&h=285&w=200&sz=14&tbnid=fGR3gv83E88J:&tbnh=110&tbnw=77&start=7&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhembr%25C3%25A4nt%26hl%3Dfi%26lr%3D
official site:
http://images.google.fi/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ockero.se/soc/hbhakan3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ockero.se/soc/soc_DVUartikel.htm&h=272&w=200&sz=48&tbnid=s3tRfcQ-Ww0J:&tbnh=107&tbnw=79&start=11&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhembr%25C3%25A4nt%26hl%3Dfi%26lr%3D
Moonshine and "snus" (whatever that is in English or even Finnish ?)
truly the people to look up to - what does that tell of us Finns ? Can
there be any more sad and uninformed people on the face of the earth ?
"
jannenie...@hotmail.com
wrong for the Northern Hemisphere. "
Mine too. It is too darn cold here. Were it up to me I would be happy
for a 'place' in africa and give my 'place' to anyone stupid enough to
want to come here.
J. Anderson
<jannenie...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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> Finns look up to Swedes (and Norwegians for that matter
Speak for yourself. I've never looked up to 'them' (how can you look up to
nations?), but maybe it's because I've lived in both Sweden and Norway.
Maybe you should visit a couple of Scandinavian neighbour countries. That
might broaden your strangely narrow perspective.
jannenie...@hotmail.com
That
might broaden your strangely narrow perspective. "
More narrow than.. ???
Well - I did include the links for the famous hobbies of snus and
moonshine. Well known here too - snus not being legal to sell, still
widely available from most kiosks at least in northern Finland as the
law enforcement does not mind about such stuff that they use
themselves.
I have no desire to visit cold places. Despite sometimes having to -
probably sounds funny: I was too stupid to talk with my wife's father
(who's a really nice guy) about tomorrow's fishing competition in
Kylakauppa (someone posted the link here too sometime ago - me
however talked about it already last year and promised already then to
go and he had not forgotten.. I dont swear but if I did - I would now -
happily they promise nice weather -8 to -11 for tomorrow)
and now have to go drive the car.
Here's the link if foreigners happen to read this:
http://www.tuuri.fi/miljoonapilkki_2005.html
Quite small the english version:
http://www.tuuri.fi/en_miljoonapilkki.html
Lauri Levanto
"Me" <TheSwed...@yahoo.se> kirjoitti
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> Blacks do not belong in Finland or any other Nordic country...
>
> Not just because of the obvious, but because their biochemistry is all
> wrong for the Northern Hemisphere.
>
Me
ANYTHING above the 50th paralell - is that better?
Chew on this Einstein:
Darker pigemented skin converts UV rays to vitamin D less efficiently
than lighter skin leaving them open to more disease.
An who the hell wants their tax dollars going to support one single
person from Africa anyway?