Re: European Parliament Elections
Anton
>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5izdadNI82Vhotk7dxyx...
> Seems that people usually think that times of economic crisis are not
> a time for sociological experiments such as flirtations with socialism.
The Finnish Leftist League lost their only MP because their party got
3.000 votes less than the Swedish Peoples Party¹. The Estonians can
sleep their nights better because The Finnish Workers Party got only
3.000 votes total, and their #1 candidate, the known critic to the
policies of Estonia, Docent J. Bäckman, despite all the media hype
around his persona, got a puny 500 personal² votes in total.
The Communist Party got 8.000 votes, and their #1 candidate, who is a
known rock musician, 2.500 votes.
Only 16.000 personal votes gave the representative of a Swedish Peoples
Party a seat because the 101.000 votes of their party were evenly spread
to many of their candidates. (Many candidates with double the numbers
were not elected).
¹) Parties total votes:
http://yle.fi/vaalit/tulospalvelu/puolueiden_kannatus.html
²) Candidates comparable rankings (Dhontian method) and personal vote
totals:
http://yle.fi/vaalit/tulospalvelu/index.html
KOK = Moderate Rightists ("Conservatives")
KESK = Centre Party (centre right)
SDP = Social Democrats (moderate left, "labor")
VIHR = Green Party
PS = True Finns (EU and immigration critical, "populist")
RKP = Swedish PP (centre right, but many flavors in candidates)
VAS = Left League
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Anton
Valtsu
So the only workers' party or leftist party of any sort with MEP's from
Finland is the Social Democratic Party with 2 MEPS. And 50% of them
represent the orthodox clergy! (Father Mitro Repo just waiting to be
ousted from his church due to violation of canonic law.)'
Anton
> Anton wrote:
>> ￜ) Parties total votes:
>> http://yle.fi/vaalit/tulospalvelu/puolueiden_kannatus.html
>> ￜ) Candidates comparable rankings (Dhontian method) and personal vote
>> totals:
>> http://yle.fi/vaalit/tulospalvelu/index.html
>> KOK = Moderate Rightists ("Conservatives")
>> KESK = Centre Party (centre right)
>> SDP = Social Democrats (moderate left, "labor")
>> VIHR = Green Party
>> PS = True Finns (EU and immigration critical, "populist")
>> RKP = Swedish PP (centre right, but many flavours in candidates)
>> VAS = Left League
> So the only workers' party or leftist party of any sort with MEP's from
> Finland is the Social Democratic Party with 2 MEPS. And 50% of them
> represent the orthodox clergy! (Father Mitro Repo just waiting to be
> ousted from his church due to violation of canonic law.)'
Yup. Analysts ans scholars think however that the "populist" True Finns
is more of a workers' party than a rightist one. Their political program
is quite leftist: more social security etc. It is misleading to position
these populist groups, that have their supporters from (disgruntledￜ)
workers and peasants, as "extreme right". Instead I'd position
libertarians on the far right of an ideological political scale.
ￜ) There is a correlation that in areas where leftist Social Democrats
and Left League lost support the True Finns increased their support
significantly.
[Damn, I can't keep it short...]
Chairman Soini has done an excellent job: he really checks up on issues
common people have in a way that the politicians of established parties
don't. Unless there was a xenophobic flavour to the True Finns their
impact on the political scene would be almost exclusively a positive one.
The established parties have distanced themselves from ordinary people
and speak vaguely and in abstract ways. Here is a different guy that
goes out to small communities and speaks to ordinary people that have
lost their jobs etc, and not only speaks, but knows the story of an
individual company and the community around it. Maybe politicians like
him can't bring instant tangible results to the ordinary guy, but they
at least give an impression that they actually care, ergo give hope.
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Anton
J. Anderson
"Anton" <anton....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Valtsu kirjoitti:
>> Anton wrote:
>
>>> �) Parties total votes:
>>> http://yle.fi/vaalit/tulospalvelu/puolueiden_kannatus.html
>
>>> �) Candidates comparable rankings (Dhontian method) and personal vote
>>> totals:
>>> http://yle.fi/vaalit/tulospalvelu/index.html
>
>>> KOK = Moderate Rightists ("Conservatives")
>>> KESK = Centre Party (centre right)
>>> SDP = Social Democrats (moderate left, "labor")
>>> VIHR = Green Party
>>> PS = True Finns (EU and immigration critical, "populist")
>>> RKP = Swedish PP (centre right, but many flavours in candidates)
>>> VAS = Left League
>
>> So the only workers' party or leftist party of any sort with MEP's from
>> Finland is the Social Democratic Party with 2 MEPS. And 50% of them
>> represent the orthodox clergy! (Father Mitro Repo just waiting to be
>> ousted from his church due to violation of canonic law.)'
>
> Yup. Analysts ans scholars think however that the "populist" True Finns
> is more of a workers' party than a rightist one. Their political program
> is quite leftist: more social security etc. It is misleading to position
> workers and peasants, as "extreme right". Instead I'd position
> libertarians on the far right of an ideological political scale.
>
> and Left League lost support the True Finns increased their support
> significantly.
>
> [Damn, I can't keep it short...]
>
> Chairman Soini has done an excellent job: he really checks up on issues
> common people have in a way that the politicians of established parties
> don't. Unless there was a xenophobic flavour to the True Finns their
> impact on the political scene would be almost exclusively a positive one.
>
> The established parties have distanced themselves from ordinary people
> and speak vaguely and in abstract ways. Here is a different guy that
> goes out to small communities and speaks to ordinary people that have
> lost their jobs etc, and not only speaks, but knows the story of an
> individual company and the community around it. Maybe politicians like
> him can't bring instant tangible results to the ordinary guy, but they
> at least give an impression that they actually care, ergo give hope.
Of course he is benefitting a lot from the sad state of SDP and VAS.
Although both parties have only themselves to blame, having elected hopeless
nobodies as leaders.
The rallying around the Swedish party was impressive and showed that, when
threatened, the Finland-Swedes still have some guts. My family alone
contributed with four votes, with even our Finnish-speaking daughter-in-law
participating -- they all went to nr 140 (the father of Linus Torvalds).
vello
> "Anton" <anton.use...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
Nice to see journalists get votes in Finland :-)
Anton
> "Anton" <anton....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> Chairman Soini has done an excellent job: he really checks up on issues
>> common people have in a way that the politicians of established parties
>> don't. Unless there was a xenophobic flavour to the True Finns their
>> impact on the political scene would be almost exclusively a positive one.
>> The established parties have distanced themselves from ordinary people
>> and speak vaguely and in abstract ways. Here is a different guy that
>> goes out to small communities and speaks to ordinary people that have
>> lost their jobs etc, and not only speaks, but knows the story of an
>> individual company and the community around it. Maybe politicians like
>> him can't bring instant tangible results to the ordinary guy, but they
>> at least give an impression that they actually care, ergo give hope.
> Of course he is benefitting a lot from the sad state of SDP and VAS.
> Although both parties have only themselves to blame, having elected hopeless
> nobodies as leaders.
I'm not fully convinced that is the sole reason. Even in the leadership
of other parties they give some really stupid comments and do foolish
things. But probably combined with a shallowness in their political
programs, yes, and due to their lack of smart and charismatic leadership
they are in the hole now.
> The rallying around the Swedish party was impressive and showed that, when
> threatened, the Finland-Swedes still have some guts. My family alone
> contributed with four votes, with even our Finnish-speaking daughter-in-law
> participating -- they all went to nr 140 (the father of Linus Torvalds).
Yes, the unexpected "comeback" was truly impressive! I never figured
they as perennial "five percenter" would beat the Left League, a party
that has for long had a support in the 10% range. Torvalds has a leftist
history, and the fact that the Swedish party has people with different
ideological preferences has often been regarded as its weakness, but it
can also give an advantage - like it did now. As it happens in this
family as well the votes went to the Swedish party - and somebody casted
a vote for Mr Torvalds :)
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Anton
Anton
You are not by any chance referring to Leena Hietanen, former writer of
Helsingin Sanomat, and Johan B�ckman's fellow party and ("anti-fascist
association") Comrade? :-) She lives in Tallinn, which is strange that
she voluntarily does so because she regards Estonians as "fascists". She
got only 200 votes or so...
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Anton
vello
> vello kirjoitti:
>
> > On Jun 9, 3:20 pm, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
> >> The rallying around the Swedish party was impressive and showed that, when
> >> threatened, the Finland-Swedes still have some guts. My family alone
> >> contributed with four votes, with even our Finnish-speaking daughter-in-law
> >> participating -- they all went to nr 140 (the father of Linus Torvalds).- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Nice to see journalists get votes in Finland :-)
>
> You are not by any chance referring to Leena Hietanen, former writer of
> association") Comrade? :-) She lives in Tallinn, which is strange that
> she voluntarily does so because she regards Estonians as "fascists". She
> got only 200 votes or so...
>
> --
> Anton
Both parents of Linus are journalists. Well, Leena Hietanen may get
not too much votes but surely she gets some money for living (and
maybe for champagne) - pecunia non olet...
J. Anderson
> Torvalds has a leftist history
Nothing wrong in having a leftist history as long as you're able to learn
something from it...
J. Anderson
"vello" <vell...@hot.ee> wrote in message
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> Both parents of Linus are journalists.
And also his paternal grandparents were writers/journalists: Ole and Meta
Torvalds.
Anton
> "Anton" <anton....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> Torvalds has a leftist history
>
> Nothing wrong in having a leftist history as long as you're able to learn
> something from it...
An saying appropriate to the situation: if you weren't a communist when
you were twenty you have no heart, if you haven't become a capitalist by
30 you have no brain.
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Anton
Anton
> "vello" <vell...@hot.ee> wrote:
>> Both parents of Linus are journalists.
> And also his paternal grandparents were writers/journalists: Ole and Meta
> Torvalds.
Linus regards himself as a pragmatist and dislikes the over
politicizationￜ of (Linux and other) software:
ￜ)
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/195096/stallman_want_freedom_don_t_follow_linus_torvalds?pp=3
http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/11/black-and-white.html
Background:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#why
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Anton