Starbucks Coffee Shops
Mustacchia
University of Houston and we are working on a project. We have a class
project in which we are to supposedly export a product to another
country and write a report on it. We have selected Sweden as our
country and our product is Starbucks Coffee. My professor said he
would like to know if the people in Sweden would be receptive to this
type of specialty coffee retailers. Since I have never been to Sweden
I have been looking on the internet for related topics. Does anyone
have any feedback as to whether or not Starbucks could actually make it
in Sweden? Are there any specialty coffee shops in Sweden already?
Thanks for your help. I'd appreciate any feedback!
Patty
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Martha Hughes
>
> Hello, I am enrolled in an International marketing class at the
> University of Houston and we are working on a project. We have a class
> project in which we are to supposedly export a product to another
> country and write a report on it. We have selected Sweden as our
> country and our product is Starbucks Coffee. My professor said he
> would like to know if the people in Sweden would be receptive to this
> type of specialty coffee retailers. Since I have never been to Sweden
> I have been looking on the internet for related topics. Does anyone
> have any feedback as to whether or not Starbucks could actually make it
> in Sweden? Are there any specialty coffee shops in Sweden already?
>
> Thanks for your help. I'd appreciate any feedback!
>
> Patty
Oh, the sheer evilness of this post Patty is beyond words. How DARE you
for even suggesting that you would have a hand at polluting an innocent
country like Sweden with Starf**ks!
Starbucks is the epitome of chain-store pollution. They move in,
destroying the local businesses. They take money away from the families
who have had their stores for decades. They take the money sometimes out
of the country, even. Every Starfucks looks the same, every starfucks
serve the same drinks. It's digusting! It may be just a fun little
project to you, but it could be the end of many Swedish businesses. I
say DIE STARBUCKS, DIE!!!!!!
Electric Avenue
stefan wrote:
>Sweden has the highest per capita coffee consumption in the world and I
>doubt many Swedes would be interested in most weak American coffee. >Some
specialties could catch on however.
*Specialties*!! You mean atomic powered rocket booster? Nothing
has the kick-in-the-ass like Gävalia (spelling?). Swedish coffee will not
only make a spoon stand up, it will flip it across the room! I don't
think Starbucks could handle it without special precautions and
training for its Nordic Operations Department. There's only one
thing that Starbucks could possibly put in its coffee that might tempt
a Swede, and that is.... well.... don't tell, now.... ((alcohol)). :)
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Martha Hughes
>
> In article <7nbq71$k8c$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> Electric_Y...@Privacy.NuXX says...
> > "Starfucks". star-fucks. StarFucks. I like that! That term has
> > a certain... je ne sais pas. A resonance! Yes!! It resonates! That
> > term has legs! We should share it with the Australians! :)
> >
>
> Too many syllables :)
>
> --
> Jon Tveten
> En Bæring i Australia
LOL!
Electric Avenue
Martha Hughes wrote:
>Starf**ks!
>Every Starfucks looks the same, every starfucks
>serve the same drinks.
"Starfucks". star-fucks. StarFucks. I like that! That term has
a certain... je ne sais pas. A resonance! Yes!! It resonates! That
term has legs! We should share it with the Australians! :)
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Markku Huttu-Hiltunen
>
>
> Sweden has the highest per capita coffee consumption in the world and...
When did they pass Finland?
http://catalog.com/sovrana/chart.htm
MHH
Markku Huttu-Hiltunen
A note that I just recalled:
My parents visited Canada, and I took them to a bar which had - as usual
- a waiter filling up cups of coffee all the time. After a couple of
cups my father said (in Finnish, he does not speak English)"this tea
tastes strange, do they have coffee here?" I spilled my starbuck.
MHH
Jarkko H Tolvanen
: I have been looking on the internet for related topics. Does anyone
: have any feedback as to whether or not Starbucks could actually make it
: in Sweden? Are there any specialty coffee shops in Sweden already?
When I visited Canada once I saw lots of people walking along streets
with a starbucks coffee cup at one hand, many of them looked like
employees going to work. Some starbucks coffee shops at office areas
were so small, that it was obvious that big portion of their customers
take their cup with them and drink it somewhere else (at work?)
This is very unusual in nordic countries, at least where I live, the
whole idea of not making coffee at the work
place, but buying it at some point between home and work, or leaving the
office during coffee break in order to buy coffee at a coffee shop.
In fact some speciality coffee shops have been trying to itroduce these
mcdonalds-style disosable coffee cups, put people don't use them usually. They
don't buy the idea of take-away coffee, but drink it where they buy it.
I don't know about Sweden though, I have never really been there unless
day-trips to Stockholm count.
Martha Hughes
>
> On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:59:36 -0700, Martha Hughes
> <bast...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Starbucks is the epitome of chain-store pollution. They move in,
> >destroying the local businesses. They take money away from the families
> >who have had their stores for decades. They take the money sometimes out
> >of the country, even. Every Starfucks looks the same, every starfucks
> >serve the same drinks. It's digusting! It may be just a fun little
> >project to you, but it could be the end of many Swedish businesses. I
> >say DIE STARBUCKS, DIE!!!!!!
>
>
> Seriously though, I'd bet it wouldn't last very long if it did.
>
> Starbucks fills a void for people who wouldn't normally go to
> traditional coffee houses for socializing. They take your money
> and let you sit all day without pushing the guilt-trip looks, unlike
> some coffee houses that push everything from broom holders to mugs in
> the shapes of weird non-existant animals, bad poetry readings,
> dreadful sadistic folk music performances that make you want to off
> yourself, with the ever various scruffy-looking clientele that make
> you question your sanity with insane talk about couples who share what
> it's like in their crossdressing relationship with -lucky- you!!!
> All the while you just want your damn coffee, and guess what it comes
> out of!?!?? One of those 1960's thermos, push down and it pours out
> deally things. It isn't exactly coffee anymore.. More like mud! You
> immediately spill it all over yourself 'cause the lid isn't cool like
> starbuck's lids are. These lids were created with this purpose in mind
> though! You have to sit down with the rest of the weirdos there, and
> sip it very very slowly. They warp your fragile mind with talk of
> scientology, and aliens visitation from the pleadiaes star system!!
> Just choose your poison...
>
> No m'am. I will stick with Mcdonald/starbucks.. thanks.
>
> Bryan Thober
> <az...@lafn.org>
> Los Angeles, California U.S.A.
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bthober/
Yes, I do live off coffee! But NOT Starbucks! When they started invading
S.F., Starbucks had to make their coffee stronger for San Franciscans to
accept it. Seattle make have more coffee places, but SF likes it
stronger.
I do support local merchants, such as Peets. They have much, much better
coffee anyway.
Which reminds me...I'm OUT of the wonderful stuff this morning and have
to drink tea...ug!
Martha Hughes
>
> Mustacchia wrote:
> > Does anyone
> > have any feedback as to whether or not Starbucks could actually make it
> > in Sweden?
>
> coffee they'd save a lot of money because they could buy all the
> leftover soots from the other coffee shops and use that to acheive the
> excellent mudcolored tea you pass as 'coffee'. And believe me, if you
> tried to sell decaffeinated here they'd come back asking for refund.
> Maybe you could include a coctail bar selling non-alcoholic whisky and
> vodka as well? The most popular 'coffee shops' in Helsinki seem to be
> the gas stations, and these days even the R-Kioski newsstands serve
> 'Gevalia'. Which actually is not that bad, I get a cup almost every
> morning before I catch the 7:07 train to work.
>
> >Are there any specialty coffee shops in Sweden already?
>
> Stockholm a few years back so yes, though the Swedish coffee prices
> seemed abominably high (or then I just get my crowns mixed up). I still
> long for a Cuban coffee now and then.
>
> I think a Wal-mart could have been a better option.
>
> Cheers, | The conformity of purpose will be achieved |
> HWM | through the mutual satisfaction of requirements.|
> ==> hen...@GNWmail.com & http://www.softavenue.fi/u/henry.w
I've had coffee in Scandinavia and I've had coffee in the U.S. Maybe
you're talking about the crappy "Folger's" type, but our better brands
taste much better than what I had over there. Ours is much stronger.
Martha Hughes
> : have any feedback as to whether or not Starbucks could actually make it
>
> When I visited Canada once I saw lots of people walking along streets
> with a starbucks coffee cup at one hand, many of them looked like
> employees going to work. Some starbucks coffee shops at office areas
> were so small, that it was obvious that big portion of their customers
> take their cup with them and drink it somewhere else (at work?)
>
> This is very unusual in nordic countries, at least where I live, the
> whole idea of not making coffee at the work
> place, but buying it at some point between home and work, or leaving the
> office during coffee break in order to buy coffee at a coffee shop.
> In fact some speciality coffee shops have been trying to itroduce these
> mcdonalds-style disosable coffee cups, put people don't use them usually. They
> don't buy the idea of take-away coffee, but drink it where they buy it.
>
> I don't know about Sweden though, I have never really been there unless
> day-trips to Stockholm count.
The whole "throw away" lifestyle is very American, I'm afraid. I don't
like it one bit. I hate the waste and the idea that there is too much
work to do to slow down and enjoy a cup of coffee.
I work at a very large corporation where they don't supply us with
coffee, we have to buy our own. So, I bring in a coffee maker to save
some money.
One of the reasons why we Americans are always eating on the run,
drinking coffee of the run, etc., is that we work 8 hours + a day. Many
of us nowdays don't get much of a lunch break as well.
HWM
> I've had coffee in Scandinavia and I've had coffee in the U.S. Maybe
> you're talking about the crappy "Folger's" type, but our better brands
> taste much better than what I had over there. Ours is much stronger.
Stronger? American coffee? I was talking about the everyday stuff you
get, more or less industrial. Some of the stuff I got in the US that was
passed as coffee was dishwater they washed the pots in.
One morning at the hotel some yankee ladies were leaving early and had a
coffee at the reception where we had a big two-pot brewing machine and
hot coffee all the time. These old ladies complained about the coffee. I
told them I had just been complained that the coffee was not strong
enough and I'd make a second pot right away. Then the lady turned sort
of pale and said "stronger, no, no this coffee is too strong already". I
suppose grouchy ladies got the revenge of lalli on the plane.
Calling 'merkin coffee 'strong' is like calling buzzwater 'beer'.
Now then if we talk about a decent espresso or some blue mountain or
maybe some Cuban in Miami, that does not count. In Finland you go to a
gas station you get decent coffee.
--
Jarkko H Tolvanen
: I work at a very large corporation where they don't supply us with
: coffee, we have to buy our own. So, I bring in a coffee maker to save
: some money.
: One of the reasons why we Americans are always eating on the run,
: drinking coffee of the run, etc., is that we work 8 hours + a day. Many
: of us nowdays don't get much of a lunch break as well.
In nordic countries there are workers unions that negotiate general
contracts with employers unions, and at least in Finland AFAIK these
include 15min coffee break at afternoon. Because of this, work places
usually (if not allways) have a coffee maker provided by the company.
And some coffee of course, however companies may charge employees a small
sum of money for a cup of coffee.
They say that in "the good old days" during these daily coffee breaks
employees gathered together to drink coffee and discuss the hottest gossips.
However, at least among IT professionals it is very common these days
that evyrybody simply has too much work to do, and not enough time to
have a "real" coffee break. So it's more common to drink one's coffee at the
work desk. Of course it takes a while to walk to the coffee pot to get
coffee, but we have that 15min per day allowance :-).
Electric Avenue
Martha Hughes wrote:
>I've had coffee in Scandinavia and I've had coffee in the U.S. Maybe
>you're talking about the crappy "Folger's" type, but our better brands
>taste much better than what I had over there. Ours is much stronger.
Oy, oy, oy! *Stronger*? Little lady, do you jest? Pad on down
to your nearest nordic foodshop, you know the kind - where the
homesick Swedes and their brethren go. *Gently* grab some Gävalia
coffee. Pay the outlandish price for this outlandish explosive, and
*gently* carry it home in a well-padded container. Brew some of this
stuff in your friend's chemistry lab. Keep the windows closed or
Nordics will come running to get some from places miles downwind of
you. Use about, oh, 4 tablespoons per cup of water.
When the soup is ready, no part of a spoon dipped into it should
be visible. If it is not absolutely opaque, it is too weak. Try stirring
it.
If the spoon handle handle doesn't break, it's still probably too weak.
Put in more Gävalia.
When it's finally ready, you will already be shaking. House flies will
be doing supersonic kamikazi shots into the wall. Put on a motorcycle
crash helmet. Get a glob of this black stuff with your least favorite
finger, and put it into your mouth. That buzzing you hear is in your
head. Quickly drink some before you splash it all over the room.
Mmmmmm. Good, huh? Now you will know why I said to wear a
crash helmet! You will stop bouncing off the walls in about 4 hours.
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Martha Hughes
>
> Martha Hughes wrote:
>
> > I've had coffee in Scandinavia and I've had coffee in the U.S. Maybe
> > you're talking about the crappy "Folger's" type, but our better brands
> > taste much better than what I had over there. Ours is much stronger.
>
> get, more or less industrial. Some of the stuff I got in the US that was
> passed as coffee was dishwater they washed the pots in.
>
> One morning at the hotel some yankee ladies were leaving early and had a
> coffee at the reception where we had a big two-pot brewing machine and
> hot coffee all the time. These old ladies complained about the coffee. I
> told them I had just been complained that the coffee was not strong
> enough and I'd make a second pot right away. Then the lady turned sort
> of pale and said "stronger, no, no this coffee is too strong already". I
> suppose grouchy ladies got the revenge of lalli on the plane.
>
> Calling 'merkin coffee 'strong' is like calling buzzwater 'beer'.
>
> Now then if we talk about a decent espresso or some blue mountain or
> maybe some Cuban in Miami, that does not count. In Finland you go to a
> gas station you get decent coffee.
San Francisco is known for its great strong coffee. I'm a fan of french
roast myself, but a good espresso now and then is definitely a pleasure.
Coffee may be the national beverage of Sweden, but it's a necessity to
us San Franciscans!
Older Americans are not as fussy as us younger ones when it comes to
coffee. There is not a block in any financial areas of S.F. where there
isn't a spcialty coffee stand. If they sold crappy coffee, they'd be out
of business really fast.
HWM
> In nordic countries there are workers unions that negotiate general
> contracts with employers unions, and at least in Finland AFAIK these
> include 15min coffee break at afternoon.
It used to be two ten-minute "smoking breaks" as I recall. In my company
we drink coffee at about 2 hour intervals. I mean after glaring at the
screen more than that your productivity decreases exponentially. I
usually get a print-out of my code with me and go through to see where
the bugs lie. And I do not get the coffee to my desk as I shall at some
point and time spill it all over my desk. Especially as the coffee-cup
holder has a hole in the middle. Actually we have 7.30 hours of work, a
30 minutes lunch in the middle, but as long as you do the 7.30 hours you
can have a 3-hour lunch if you insist. Then again some days you wait for
three hours to wait for the big machine to churn and get miscellaneous
zilch error messages for an answer. Or then the EDAserver goes dead or
then...
HWM
> San Francisco is known for its great strong coffee. I'm a fan of french
> roast myself, but a good espresso now and then is definitely a pleasure.
Ok, next time I'll think of career moves SanFran gets a plus point.
My only experiences of California were small towns on the Nevada border,
such as Trona and then Death Valley. Of LA I've seen the airport... I
think I ought to visit, though all these flaky tv series as 90210 filmed
there make me want not to.
'oh when you go to san fransisco, remember to wear some vaseline in your
ass'
Erik A. Mattila
just takes more caffien to wake you up after hibernation.
But you're right, coffee in the US is preferred very weak. Much stonger in
Mexico though.
In the early 60s I worked in a 'genuine Beatnik Coffee house' that served a
lot of expresso. Part of my job was clearing the tables between the acts
of the Virgin Island Steel Band and Limbo Dancer (who could go under the
bar at 12 inches, believe it or not -- a skinny fellow). I had to move
quick, a lot of tables packed close together, and I had about ten minutes
to do my thing. I carried a big plastic tub on one shoulder, and I would
pick up cups and glasses and throw them in (breaking a lot of glass,
frequently). But the tiny little expresso cups always were still full of
expresso, and half of it ended in my face or dripping down my back, since
it would spill as I loaded then into the tub. I would guess about 10% of
the customers drank it - the rest tasted it and pushed it aside.
Erik Mattila
HWM wrote:
> Martha Hughes wrote:
>
> > I've had coffee in Scandinavia and I've had coffee in the U.S. Maybe
> > you're talking about the crappy "Folger's" type, but our better brands
> > taste much better than what I had over there. Ours is much stronger.
>
> Stronger? American coffee? I was talking about the everyday stuff you
> get, more or less industrial. Some of the stuff I got in the US that was
> passed as coffee was dishwater they washed the pots in.
>
> One morning at the hotel some yankee ladies were leaving early and had a
> coffee at the reception where we had a big two-pot brewing machine and
> hot coffee all the time. These old ladies complained about the coffee. I
> told them I had just been complained that the coffee was not strong
> enough and I'd make a second pot right away. Then the lady turned sort
> of pale and said "stronger, no, no this coffee is too strong already". I
> suppose grouchy ladies got the revenge of lalli on the plane.
>
> Calling 'merkin coffee 'strong' is like calling buzzwater 'beer'.
>
> Now then if we talk about a decent espresso or some blue mountain or
> maybe some Cuban in Miami, that does not count. In Finland you go to a
> gas station you get decent coffee.
>
> --
Erik A. Mattila
could be 10, I can't remember) plus a 30 minute lunch. What Martha is
describing seems to be pretty common, but it is illegal (whose going to police
this?) If an employee complains, she/he is likely to lose the job. It seems
that most lawyers who specialize in Labor Law and employment discrimination are
those who will advise employers how to screw their workers and get away with
it. And the EEOC is so backlogged with cases, plus having their staff cut back
to about 35% of the 1995 level, that they will tell you 'get your own lawyer
(which is pretty hard to do since you are unemployed.) So people just work
instead of taking coffee breaks, and work out there hostilities in other ways,
like low productivity, day dreaming, etc.
Erik Mattila
Jarkko H Tolvanen wrote:
> Martha Hughes <bast...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> : I work at a very large corporation where they don't supply us with
> : coffee, we have to buy our own. So, I bring in a coffee maker to save
> : some money.
>
> : One of the reasons why we Americans are always eating on the run,
> : drinking coffee of the run, etc., is that we work 8 hours + a day. Many
> : of us nowdays don't get much of a lunch break as well.
>
> In nordic countries there are workers unions that negotiate general
> contracts with employers unions, and at least in Finland AFAIK these
Martha Hughes
>
> Martha Hughes wrote:
>
> > roast myself, but a good espresso now and then is definitely a pleasure.
>
> Ok, next time I'll think of career moves SanFran gets a plus point.
> My only experiences of California were small towns on the Nevada border,
> such as Trona and then Death Valley. Of LA I've seen the airport... I
> think I ought to visit, though all these flaky tv series as 90210 filmed
> there make me want not to.
90210 was filmed in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, as in LOS ANGELES, NOT San
Francisco!!! There is a HUGE difference. We Northern Californians detest
being in the same sentence as So Cal! There are no similarities. Now,
since you haven't been here, but I have been to Scandinavia, why are you
commenting on how strong our coffee is? Seems kinda silly, since you
don't know what the heck you're talking about!
>
> 'oh when you go to san fransisco, remember to wear some vaseline in your
> ass'
Oh, very funny......
Martha Hughes
>
> Are you sure you're not confusing 'taste' with drug addiction? Maybe it
> just takes more caffien to wake you up after hibernation.
> But you're right, coffee in the US is preferred very weak. Much stonger in
> Mexico though.
Yes, I've had Mexican coffee. Quite similar to the stuff my Uncle Slim
(yes that's what we called him) made, which he called "Mississippi Mud"
It was thicker than chilled maple syrup.
>
> In the early 60s I worked in a 'genuine Beatnik Coffee house' that served a
> lot of expresso. Part of my job was clearing the tables between the acts
> of the Virgin Island Steel Band and Limbo Dancer (who could go under the
> bar at 12 inches, believe it or not -- a skinny fellow). I had to move
> quick, a lot of tables packed close together, and I had about ten minutes
> to do my thing. I carried a big plastic tub on one shoulder, and I would
> pick up cups and glasses and throw them in (breaking a lot of glass,
> frequently). But the tiny little expresso cups always were still full of
> expresso, and half of it ended in my face or dripping down my back, since
> it would spill as I loaded then into the tub. I would guess about 10% of
> the customers drank it - the rest tasted it and pushed it aside.
In college I lived off double espressos....I had a lot of late night
studying. And yes, I always polished my cup off.
>
> Erik Mattila
>
> HWM wrote:
>
> > Martha Hughes wrote:
> >
> > > I've had coffee in Scandinavia and I've had coffee in the U.S. Maybe
> > > you're talking about the crappy "Folger's" type, but our better brands
> > > taste much better than what I had over there. Ours is much stronger.
> >
> > Stronger? American coffee? I was talking about the everyday stuff you
> > get, more or less industrial. Some of the stuff I got in the US that was
> > passed as coffee was dishwater they washed the pots in.
> >
> > One morning at the hotel some yankee ladies were leaving early and had a
> > coffee at the reception where we had a big two-pot brewing machine and
> > hot coffee all the time. These old ladies complained about the coffee. I
> > told them I had just been complained that the coffee was not strong
> > enough and I'd make a second pot right away. Then the lady turned sort
> > of pale and said "stronger, no, no this coffee is too strong already". I
> > suppose grouchy ladies got the revenge of lalli on the plane.
> >
> > Calling 'merkin coffee 'strong' is like calling buzzwater 'beer'.
> >
> > Now then if we talk about a decent espresso or some blue mountain or
> > maybe some Cuban in Miami, that does not count. In Finland you go to a
> > gas station you get decent coffee.
> >
> > --
Martha Hughes
>
> In article <7nd4n1$rmp$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Electric Avenue"
> <互猾せカせ互� wrote:
>
> > Martha Hughes wrote:
> > >I've had coffee in Scandinavia and I've had coffee in the U.S. Maybe
> > >you're talking about the crappy "Folger's" type, but our better brands
> > >taste much better than what I had over there. Ours is much stronger.
> >
> > to your nearest nordic foodshop, you know the kind - where the
> > coffee.
>
> Gevalia.
Well, that was my problem right there...no Gevalia....
>
> --
> stefan, valley of the sun
>
> "When government lies to you, it's for your own good."
> - Archie Bunker
Martha Hughes
>
> Martha Hughes <bast...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> : I work at a very large corporation where they don't supply us with
> : coffee, we have to buy our own. So, I bring in a coffee maker to save
> : some money.
>
> : One of the reasons why we Americans are always eating on the run,
> : drinking coffee of the run, etc., is that we work 8 hours + a day. Many
> : of us nowdays don't get much of a lunch break as well.
>
> In nordic countries there are workers unions that negotiate general
> contracts with employers unions, and at least in Finland AFAIK these
> include 15min coffee break at afternoon. Because of this, work places
> usually (if not allways) have a coffee maker provided by the company.
> And some coffee of course, however companies may charge employees a small
> sum of money for a cup of coffee.
>
> They say that in "the good old days" during these daily coffee breaks
> employees gathered together to drink coffee and discuss the hottest gossips.
> However, at least among IT professionals it is very common these days
> that evyrybody simply has too much work to do, and not enough time to
> have a "real" coffee break. So it's more common to drink one's coffee at the
> work desk. Of course it takes a while to walk to the coffee pot to get
> coffee, but we have that 15min per day allowance :-).
None of my friends in Norway work as many hours as we Americans do.
Perhaps this is not the norm, but I seem to think it is. My friend who
is a computer programmer for the Norwegian government works 8 'til 3pm
in the summer, 8-4pm in the winter, with two 1/2 hour breaks during the
day. AND, he gets a starting vacation time of 4 weeks. No one in the
U.S. has that kind of deal, except for maybe the MUNI bus drivers.
Martha Hughes
>
> Jarkko H Tolvanen wrote:
>
> > In nordic countries there are workers unions that negotiate general
> > contracts with employers unions, and at least in Finland AFAIK these
> > include 15min coffee break at afternoon.
>
Studies (by whom, who knows?) show that smokers work less hours than
non-smokers in the U.S., because the smokers have to leave their desks
more often and go outside and smoke. Will this lead to discrimination
against smokers? I don't know.
In my company
> we drink coffee at about 2 hour intervals. I mean after glaring at the
> screen more than that your productivity decreases exponentially. I
> usually get a print-out of my code with me and go through to see where
> the bugs lie. And I do not get the coffee to my desk as I shall at some
> point and time spill it all over my desk. Especially as the coffee-cup
> holder has a hole in the middle. Actually we have 7.30 hours of work, a
> 30 minutes lunch in the middle, but as long as you do the 7.30 hours you
> can have a 3-hour lunch if you insist. Then again some days you wait for
> three hours to wait for the big machine to churn and get miscellaneous
> zilch error messages for an answer. Or then the EDAserver goes dead or
> then...
>
Martha Hughes
>
> California labor requires a morning and afternoon break, 15 minutes each (or it
> could be 10, I can't remember) plus a 30 minute lunch. What Martha is
> describing seems to be pretty common, but it is illegal (whose going to police
> this?) If an employee complains, she/he is likely to lose the job.
to get finished by a particularly unrealistic time and everyone is in
"fire drill" mode. This happens a lot where I work because it's a big
company. Here's now it happens: Some Higher Up takes forever to make the
decision that the project will happen (no doubt finding ways to cover
their own ass!), and then they're panicky to finally get it done,
because they've taken too long deciding whether to do it or not. So, the
load is on you. You won't lose your job if you don't finish it, you'll
just have to deal with some unpleasantness.
It seems
> that most lawyers who specialize in Labor Law and employment discrimination are
> those who will advise employers how to screw their workers and get away with
> it. And the EEOC is so backlogged with cases, plus having their staff cut back
> to about 35% of the 1995 level, that they will tell you 'get your own lawyer
> (which is pretty hard to do since you are unemployed.) So people just work
> instead of taking coffee breaks, and work out there hostilities in other ways,
> like low productivity, day dreaming, etc.
But you know, going to court over something is usually not a good course
of action because you'll have to take unpaid time off work, deal with
attorneys, and all sorts of ugliness.
>
> Erik Mattila
>
> Jarkko H Tolvanen wrote:
>
> > Martha Hughes <bast...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > : I work at a very large corporation where they don't supply us with
> > : coffee, we have to buy our own. So, I bring in a coffee maker to save
> > : some money.
> >
> > : One of the reasons why we Americans are always eating on the run,
> > : drinking coffee of the run, etc., is that we work 8 hours + a day. Many
> > : of us nowdays don't get much of a lunch break as well.
> >
> > In nordic countries there are workers unions that negotiate general
> > contracts with employers unions, and at least in Finland AFAIK these
Martha Hughes
> > > employees gathered together to drink coffee and discuss the hottest gossips.
> > > However, at least among IT professionals it is very common these days
> > > that evyrybody simply has too much work to do, and not enough time to
> > > have a "real" coffee break. So it's more common to drink one's coffee at the
> > > work desk. Of course it takes a while to walk to the coffee pot to get
> > > coffee, but we have that 15min per day allowance :-).
> >
> > Perhaps this is not the norm, but I seem to think it is. My friend who
> > is a computer programmer for the Norwegian government works 8 'til 3pm
> > in the summer, 8-4pm in the winter, with two 1/2 hour breaks during the
> > day. AND, he gets a starting vacation time of 4 weeks. No one in the
> > U.S. has that kind of deal, except for maybe the MUNI bus drivers.
>
> does not drive a bus (one of her aunts do in the Bay Area though)...
That is very, and I must reiterate, very unusual in the U.S.
Dave C
Utter nonsense. Peets is nothing but a trying-to-be-Starbucks coffee house
that didn't make it. Their coffee sucks, too, Martha. Sorry.
To answer the original posters query, Starbucks will do just fine in Sweden;
it can cater to the horde of American tourists.
Dave C.
Electric Avenue
B. Thober wrote about coffee-drinking:
>No m'am. I will stick with Mcdonald/starbucks.. thanks.
Aren't you at all afraid that our friends and family might find out?
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> HWM wrote:
> >
> > Martha Hughes wrote:
> >
> > > San Francisco is known for its great strong coffee. I'm a fan of french
> > > roast myself, but a good espresso now and then is definitely a pleasure.
> >
> > Ok, next time I'll think of career moves SanFran gets a plus point.
> > My only experiences of California were small towns on the Nevada border,
> > such as Trona and then Death Valley. Of LA I've seen the airport... I
> > think I ought to visit, though all these flaky tv series as 90210 filmed
> > there make me want not to.
>
> 90210 was filmed in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, as in LOS ANGELES, NOT San
> Francisco!!! There is a HUGE difference. We Northern Californians detest
> being in the same sentence as So Cal! There are no similarities. Now,
> since you haven't been here, but I have been to Scandinavia, why are you
> commenting on how strong our coffee is? Seems kinda silly, since you
> don't know what the heck you're talking about!
> >
> > 'oh when you go to san fransisco, remember to wear some vaseline in your
> > ass'
>
> Oh, very funny......
>
> > Cheers, | The conformity of purpose will be achieved |
> > HWM | through the mutual satisfaction of requirements.|
> > ==> hen...@GNWmail.com & http://www.softavenue.fi/u/henry.w
Martha is just another snooty San Franciscan who thinks anything about or from
LA is beneath her. I grew up in her neck of the woods, across the Bay in
Berkeley, and I can tell you LA is the capitol of the state economically,
culturally, and politically. SF is little more than a tourist town now.
Without the tourists coming in to ogle the great views of the bay, SF would be
dead. The city has some good restaurants, and plenty of Starbuck's coffee shops
around town to get a decent cup of coffee, but that's about it.
Dave C.
Electric Avenue
HWM wrote:
>The most popular 'coffee shops' in Helsinki seem to be
I hope you don't smoke while you drink!
>I still long for a Cuban coffee now and then.
If you have a chance, try Kona coffee. It's grown in the Kona
district, on the southwest side of the island of Hawaii, the largest and
southernmost island in the Hawaiian chain. The soil and climatic conditions
are probably similar to Cuba, and Kona coffee has an
excellent reputation among U.S. coffee drinkers. (But despite that,
it's still very good coffee. :) ) The luxury hotels and expensive
restaurants in Hawaii always feature Kona coffee for their guests.
Along with Maui onions, of course.
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> Jarkko H Tolvanen wrote:
> >
> > Martha Hughes <bast...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > : I work at a very large corporation where they don't supply us with
> > : coffee, we have to buy our own. So, I bring in a coffee maker to save
> > : some money.
> >
> > : One of the reasons why we Americans are always eating on the run,
> > : drinking coffee of the run, etc., is that we work 8 hours + a day. Many
> > : of us nowdays don't get much of a lunch break as well.
> >
> > In nordic countries there are workers unions that negotiate general
> > contracts with employers unions, and at least in Finland AFAIK these
> > include 15min coffee break at afternoon. Because of this, work places
> > usually (if not allways) have a coffee maker provided by the company.
> > And some coffee of course, however companies may charge employees a small
> > sum of money for a cup of coffee.
> >
> > They say that in "the good old days" during these daily coffee breaks
> > employees gathered together to drink coffee and discuss the hottest gossips.
> > However, at least among IT professionals it is very common these days
> > that evyrybody simply has too much work to do, and not enough time to
> > have a "real" coffee break. So it's more common to drink one's coffee at the
> > work desk. Of course it takes a while to walk to the coffee pot to get
> > coffee, but we have that 15min per day allowance :-).
>
> None of my friends in Norway work as many hours as we Americans do.
> Perhaps this is not the norm, but I seem to think it is. My friend who
> is a computer programmer for the Norwegian government works 8 'til 3pm
> in the summer, 8-4pm in the winter, with two 1/2 hour breaks during the
> day. AND, he gets a starting vacation time of 4 weeks. No one in the
> U.S. has that kind of deal, except for maybe the MUNI bus drivers.
Right, and every time I go to SF I read in the Chronicle about how bad the MUNI
is!
Dave C
Electric Avenue
HWM wrote:
>Ok, next time I'll think of career moves SanFran gets a plus point.
But the cost of housing is a double negative!
>My only experiences of California were small towns on the Nevada
>border, such as Trona and then Death Valley.
Yes, those are typical California towns. :)
>Of LA I've seen the airport...
Yes, that's a typical California town, too. :)
>I think I ought to visit, though all these flaky tv series as 90210
>filmed there make me want not to.
On the other hand, there are a couple world class museums
in Los Angeles. (Which I never go to.) And a world class freeway
system. (Where I park my car every day.) And then there is
Electric Avenue in Venice... (Where I wouldn't go at night.)
>'oh when you go to san fransisco, remember to wear some
>vaseline in your ass'
You got *that* right!
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Martha Hughes wrote:
>90210 was filmed in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, as in LOS ANGELES,
>NOT San Francisco!!! There is a HUGE difference. We Northern
>Californians detest being in the same sentence as So Cal!
>There are no similarities.
Martha is right. "90210" is the postal zip code for Beverly
Hills, a city in L.A. County. And the TV series is not really about
students in Beverly Hills High School, but what the rest of the
country would believe about the students at Beverly Hills High.
Although many people say that San Francisco is "European" in
feeling in its tight quarters, good public transportation system and
chilly foggy weather, it seems to me that most Europeans coming
to California come to Southern California. That seems to be
especially true of Scandinavians. I'm not sure why, but I guess that
they like the weather better in L.A.
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meaning i don't know about?
thanks
HWM
> 90210 was filmed in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, as in LOS ANGELES, NOT San
> Francisco!!! There is a HUGE difference. We Northern Californians detest
> being in the same sentence as So Cal! There are no similarities. Now,
> since you haven't been here, but I have been to Scandinavia, why are you
> commenting on how strong our coffee is? Seems kinda silly, since you
> don't know what the heck you're talking about!
Well, as you 'merkins tend to add all the Nordic countries all together
I do not think it would make shit of a difference if a film was made in
Lapland or in Malmö. Then again point taken, I should not comment on the
coffee in _San Fransisco_ if I haven't been there to drink. On the other
hand I have been all the time, in case you have not noticed, talking of
the _U.S._ in general. Now even if I've gotten a shitty cup of coffee in
Stockholm a couple times I won't be hollering that Swedish coffee is
bad. Now as I've visited the US on a few occasions travelling all over I
have gotten a decent cup of coffee maybe... yup, once, in Miami Beach.
And that does make me hollering that 'merkins can't do coffee the same
way we holler 'merkins can't do beer although they even have started to
import these microbrewery beers here (and they are good).
Generalizations are generalizations, you need to differentiate such from
specific issues. As 'coffee' a general category from 'merkin coffee' a
subdivision of bad tea. ;-)
Actually I drink a lot of tea as well. Anyone UKoGBaNIans want to
comment on Finnish tea?
HWM
> To answer the original posters query, Starbucks will do just fine in Sweden;
> it can cater to the horde of American tourists.
But are they willing to pay 3x the price than in the states?
--
HWM
> Martha is right. "90210" is the postal zip code for Beverly
> Hills, a city in L.A. County.
And the zip codes 90211 and 90212 as well if I remember correctly. Some
Beverlyhillsians who now live in 90210 area get peeved if someone does
not recognize that zip automatically, but then again those who live in
the off-tv-zip area are very keen to make sure the zip is _definitely
not_ 90210.
And should I then say that I have seen images of San Fransisco as well
on tv. First images were from the ancient cop series with the guy with
the humongous nose and his sidekick. (Streets of San Fransisco?) I
remember seeing Arnold in one of his first acting roles after his
bodybuilding title. And of course the seedier environs have been
familiarized in another set of my favourite movies... 'now you ask
yourself, punk, do I feel lucky?' But I suppose the public transport
system is so good because everybody with a car drives as in 'Bullit'?
What I was trying to convey is the image given by these tv series is a
bit...flaky. And you get a lot of series situated in California. Then
reading the news on the AC manufacturer getting sued because someone
farted in the car etc. -all situated in CA, somewhat adds up to the
'Granola State' image. Personally I noticed that the bureaucracy in
Nevada was much less uptight than in CA.
But alas, Silicone Valley is there next to Silicone Beach. And the
weather is desirable. Who in their right mind would move from one
snowzone to another ( eh, stefan? ).
Jarkko H Tolvanen
: Perhaps this is not the norm, but I seem to think it is. My friend who
: is a computer programmer for the Norwegian government works 8 'til 3pm
: in the summer, 8-4pm in the winter, with two 1/2 hour breaks during the
: day. AND, he gets a starting vacation time of 4 weeks. No one in the
: U.S. has that kind of deal, except for maybe the MUNI bus drivers.
This is true in govermental institutes, where they obey these negotiated
working times and contracts just as they are.
However many private corporates have "a company policy", that when a deadline
is approaching employees work longer in order to meet the deadline... for
programmes it can easily be 10 hours per day for a week or so, including
Saturday. Then when the project is finished it will be easier for a
while. For example my cousin worked for a company where it was not
unusual that a project meeting started at 6pm during these hectic weeks
before the deadline, and they still expected employees to start around 9am
at latest.
And again, I'm talking about Finland, as I haven't really been in Norway
either :-).
Erik A. Mattila
theoretical concept bantered about by social scientists in the university
system here. It's all about youth fashion cults, obsessive physical
fitness, young hardbodies on rollerblades, two thousand dollar bicycles,
healthclubs, and the list goes on and on. I read an interview with Cheech
and Chong were Tommy Cong's main critique of Kalifornia Kulture was that
nobody finished their meals at a restaurant, since it was the style to
always pretend that you are full after a couple of bites - conspicuouls
waste. The problem is that the 'beautiful people' who are exposed to the
phrase are always shocked and outraged, since they know nothing about the
history of übermenshen.
Erik Mattila
HWM
> > It used to be two ten-minute "smoking breaks" as I recall.
>
> Studies (by whom, who knows?) show that smokers work less hours than
> non-smokers in the U.S., because the smokers have to leave their desks
> more often and go outside and smoke. Will this lead to discrimination
> against smokers? I don't know.
All the job interviews I have been to they ask always: "Do you smoke?".
This I am not sure if it means they are discriminating against smokers
because they have to run outside all the time (indoor smoking these days
is a luxury indeed) or due to possible health insurance risks (which do
not apply in Finland to that extent though).
I think I ought to add to my Demon&Soul interview:
DEMON: Do you smoke?
SOUL: No, I only use intervenous.
HWM
>
> did someone say "merkin coffee" way back there? does merkin have some other
> meaning i don't know about?
What meaning you don't know about? 'twas supposed to be 'merkin though.
Used as in 'merkin vs. yurpeen. [American vs. European] Something to do
with how AOLers spell and/or pronounce. Other meaning is ...not in
merriam-webster? Dang!
HWM
> >The most popular 'coffee shops' in Helsinki seem to be
> >the gas stations...
>
> I hope you don't smoke while you drink!
No worries, employers must go outside to smoke anyhow. There's a bin by
the exit usually.And regarding exploding cell phones, the car wash works
as a vending machine you need to call a number to make it work. And I
saw this machine at the local Esso ... go figure.
Electric Avenue
HWM wrote:
>What meaning you don't know about? 'twas supposed to be 'merkin
>though. Used as in 'merkin vs. yurpeen.
Sheesh! No wonder they kicked you out of sci.lang! ;-)
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B. Thober wrote:
>Starbucks btw used to carry kona.. but it was found
>that they were really just passing off some blend of coffee
>that had only 10% actual kona coffee beans.
No wonder Martha calls it "StarFucks"!
BTW, Bryan, what are you doing up at this ungodly hour?
Are you tracking down the spammers like I am? Or has your
coffee given you insomnia?
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> > >
> > > <az...@lafn.org>
> > > Los Angeles, California U.S.A.
> > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bthober/
> >
> > Yes, I do live off coffee! But NOT Starbucks! When they started invading
> > S.F., Starbucks had to make their coffee stronger for San Franciscans to
> > accept it. Seattle make have more coffee places, but SF likes it
> > stronger.
> >
> > I do support local merchants, such as Peets. They have much, much better
> > coffee anyway.
> >
> > Which reminds me...I'm OUT of the wonderful stuff this morning and have
> > to drink tea...ug!
>
> Utter nonsense. Peets is nothing but a trying-to-be-Starbucks coffee house
> that didn't make it. Their coffee sucks, too, Martha. Sorry.
>
> it can cater to the horde of American tourists.
>
We'll agree to disagree, I love Peets. Dave. Sorry.
Martha Hughes
>
> Martha Hughes wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Martha Hughes wrote:
> > >
> > > > San Francisco is known for its great strong coffee. I'm a fan of french
> > > > roast myself, but a good espresso now and then is definitely a pleasure.
> > >
> > > think I ought to visit, though all these flaky tv series as 90210 filmed
> > > there make me want not to.
> >
> > Francisco!!! There is a HUGE difference. We Northern Californians detest
> > being in the same sentence as So Cal! There are no similarities. Now,
> > since you haven't been here, but I have been to Scandinavia, why are you
> > commenting on how strong our coffee is? Seems kinda silly, since you
> > don't know what the heck you're talking about!
> > >
> > > ass'
> >
> >
> > > Cheers, | The conformity of purpose will be achieved |
> > > HWM | through the mutual satisfaction of requirements.|
> > > ==> hen...@GNWmail.com & http://www.softavenue.fi/u/henry.w
>
> LA is beneath her. I grew up in her neck of the woods, across the Bay in
> Berkeley, and I can tell you LA is the capitol of the state economically,
> culturally, and politically. SF is little more than a tourist town now.
> Without the tourists coming in to ogle the great views of the bay, SF would be
> dead. The city has some good restaurants, and plenty of Starbuck's coffee shops
> around town to get a decent cup of coffee, but that's about it.
>
> Dave C.
Dave, you know nothing about me. Don't think that you do.
Electric Avenue
HWM wrote in message <379ADFF0...@gnwmail.com>...
>Electric Avenue wrote:
>> >The most popular 'coffee shops' in Helsinki seem to be
>> >the gas stations...
>>
>> I hope you don't smoke while you drink!
>
>No worries, employers must go outside to smoke anyhow.
HWM is either very funny or very dense. :) I was referring to the
strength of the coffee - it can be both a beverage and an auto fuel.
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>
> In article <7nec01$nic$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Electric Avenue"
> <互猾せカせ互� wrote:
>
> > Martha Hughes wrote:
> > >90210 was filmed in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, as in LOS ANGELES,
> > >NOT San Francisco!!! There is a HUGE difference. We Northern
> > >Californians detest being in the same sentence as So Cal!
> > >There are no similarities.
> >
> > students in Beverly Hills High School, but what the rest of the
> > country would believe about the students at Beverly Hills High.
> > Although many people say that San Francisco is "European" in
> > feeling in its tight quarters, good public transportation system and
> > chilly foggy weather, it seems to me that most Europeans coming
> > to California come to Southern California. That seems to be
> > especially true of Scandinavians. I'm not sure why, but I guess that
> > they like the weather better in L.A.
>
> self-righteous, and "oh so sophisticated" uppity snot-noses in San
> Fran... The "we are just better than you" attitude is not very appealing.
>
> --
> stefan, valley of the sun
I don't like the San Franciscans who have that attitude either. If you
think I am like that, then you are 100% wrong. The people with the worst
attitudes up here weren't even born here!!!! They're the ones who have
moved here from Los Angeles or the East Coast usually.
Martha Hughes
>
> In article <7ne9mf$j7d$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Electric Avenue"
> <互猾せカせ互� wrote:
>
> > HWM wrote:
> > >Ok, next time I'll think of career moves SanFran gets a plus point.
> >
>
> big one hits and we'll have prime beachfront property here in AZ.
Us natives are waiting for the next "Big One" to scare folks away so
that housing costs will go down a little. It's outta control!
>
> --
> stefan, valley of the sun
>
HWM
> HWM is either very funny or very dense. :) I was referring to the
> strength of the coffee - it can be both a beverage and an auto fuel.
Hmmm... you missed the exploding cell phone bit then as well? Exxon I
believe has these signs to turn off the cell phone. They now employ
zit-faced store clerks who drink only Pepsi to avoid further combustion
outdoors.
And yes, we call it 'diesel' here but it needs to have this oily slick
on top of it. Preferrably something that has been simmering on the hot
plate thru the night.
HWM
> If I could hit a gas-station like the one in Finland HWM is talking
> about
You can get everything else at a gas station these days except parts to
a car or service.
>I could work 3 jobs with no problem.
Yup, you'd need the third job to pay off the taxes of the two.
> It is just another conspiracy like why some Euro's have ozone therapy as an option
> and we do not because the FDA won't accept its proven results. ;)
And we get this hormone beef trouble because EU won't accept it before
FDA proves it has _no_ proven results. FDA says we need to prove it has
some results. Go figure.
> (very high sarcasm btw!!!)
Indeed.
BTW do you guys have this laughing gas and oxygen treatment at the
bettyford -clinics. Supposed to be top of the pops for boozers. Said to
prevent seeing little people after a binge.
Claes-Göran Lindqvist
Mix coffee and water, boil it and put a horse-shoe into the mix.
If it sinks then put in more coffee...
Regards
Claes-Göran Lindqvist
Electric Avenue <Electric_Y...@Privacy.NuXX> skrev i
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>
> Martha Hughes wrote:
> >I've had coffee in Scandinavia and I've had coffee in the U.S. Maybe
> >you're talking about the crappy "Folger's" type, but our better brands
> >taste much better than what I had over there. Ours is much stronger.
>
> Oy, oy, oy! *Stronger*? Little lady, do you jest? Pad on down
> to your nearest nordic foodshop, you know the kind - where the
> homesick Swedes and their brethren go. *Gently* grab some Gävalia
> coffee. Pay the outlandish price for this outlandish explosive, and
> *gently* carry it home in a well-padded container. Brew some of this
> stuff in your friend's chemistry lab. Keep the windows closed or
> Nordics will come running to get some from places miles downwind of
> you. Use about, oh, 4 tablespoons per cup of water.
> When the soup is ready, no part of a spoon dipped into it should
> be visible. If it is not absolutely opaque, it is too weak. Try stirring
> it.
> If the spoon handle handle doesn't break, it's still probably too weak.
> Put in more Gävalia.
> When it's finally ready, you will already be shaking. House flies
will
> be doing supersonic kamikazi shots into the wall. Put on a motorcycle
> crash helmet. Get a glob of this black stuff with your least favorite
> finger, and put it into your mouth. That buzzing you hear is in your
> head. Quickly drink some before you splash it all over the room.
> Mmmmmm. Good, huh? Now you will know why I said to wear a
> crash helmet! You will stop bouncing off the walls in about 4 hours.
>
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HWM wrote:
>Hmmm... you missed the exploding cell phone bit then as well? Exxon I
>believe has these signs to turn off the cell phone
He's funny! I was afraid of that. :-(
But at least now I know how to rub out a Finnish business
competitor - call him on his cellular during his coffee break. Boom!
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>
> stefan wrote:
> >
> > Sometimes I think I would prefer the attitudes of SoCal to those of
> > self-righteous, and "oh so sophisticated" uppity snot-noses in San
> > Fran... The "we are just better than you" attitude is not very appealing.
>
> think I am like that, then you are 100% wrong. The people with the worst
> attitudes up here weren't even born here!!!! They're the ones who have
> moved here from Los Angeles or the East Coast usually.
Of course...
Eric J.
Eric J
>
> stefan wrote:
> >
> >
> > > None of my friends in Norway work as many hours as we Americans do.
> > > is a computer programmer for the Norwegian government works 8 'til 3pm
> > > in the summer, 8-4pm in the winter, with two 1/2 hour breaks during the
> > > day. AND, he gets a starting vacation time of 4 weeks. No one in the
> > > U.S. has that kind of deal, except for maybe the MUNI bus drivers.
> >
> > does not drive a bus (one of her aunts do in the Bay Area though)...
>
> That is very, and I must reiterate, very unusual in the U.S.
When I completed my 15th year at the Postal Service, I received *5*
weeks vacation. Just another "unuaual" example.
Eric J.
Thomson McFarlane
HWM <henry.wEGGS_&_S...@gnwmail.com> wrote in message
news:379AB65D...@gnwmail.com...
[snip]
> Actually I drink a lot of tea as well. Anyone UKoGBaNIans
want to
> comment on Finnish tea?
>
Couple of comments. Tea doesn't taste the same all over the
UK as the type and quality
of water differs.
I am a Scot and found when I lived in the Netherlands, that
even when I pinched a
packet of tea from my mother's, I still couldn't get a
decent taste - again water.
In Finland it was quite a revelation to be able to get a
much better, close to home
taste. I think the tea sold is different and it needs more
time to get it strong enough,
when comparing to using tea I have brought back from
Scotland.
Another difference is that Finns, as most Europeans, tend to
drink tea black, and
much weaker than we would in Scotland. I also find Finns
have a greater liking for
teas with fruity tastes &c.. which I personally don't like.
Thomson
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Jarkko H Tolvanen <jhto...@cc.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:7nei6u$bil$1...@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI...
> Martha Hughes <bast...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> : Perhaps this is not the norm, but I seem to think it is.
My friend who
> : is a computer programmer for the Norwegian government
works 8 'til 3pm
> : in the summer, 8-4pm in the winter, with two 1/2 hour
breaks during the
> : day. AND, he gets a starting vacation time of 4 weeks.
No one in the
> : U.S. has that kind of deal, except for maybe the MUNI
bus drivers.
>
these negotiated
> working times and contracts just as they are.
>
> However many private corporates have "a company policy",
that when a deadline
> is approaching employees work longer in order to meet the
deadline... for
> programmes it can easily be 10 hours per day for a week or
so, including
> Saturday. Then when the project is finished it will be
easier for a
> while. For example my cousin worked for a company where it
was not
> unusual that a project meeting started at 6pm during these
hectic weeks
> before the deadline, and they still expected employees to
start around 9am
> at latest.
>
> And again, I'm talking about Finland, as I haven't really
been in Norway
> either :-).
The company I work for, quite often, has had to ask for
dispensations from the
authorities, because we go over the overtime limits, heavy
workload and
again project work, being the reasons.
Additionally, we work a flexi-system, and most people are
carrying plus hours,
not because they are forced to work them, people do to get a
job done or to
build up hours so that they can take them when they need
some extra free
hours.
Again, this is in Finland.
Thomson McFarlane
Martha Hughes <bast...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:379A90...@pacbell.net...
> HWM wrote:
> >
> > Jarkko H Tolvanen wrote:
> >
> > > In nordic countries there are workers unions that
negotiate general
> > > contracts with employers unions, and at least in
Finland AFAIK these
> > > include 15min coffee break at afternoon.
> >
> > It used to be two ten-minute "smoking breaks" as I
recall.
>
> Studies (by whom, who knows?) show that smokers work less
hours than
> non-smokers in the U.S., because the smokers have to leave
their desks
> more often and go outside and smoke. Will this lead to
discrimination
> against smokers? I don't know.
>
hearing such.
She maintained that we covered quite a bit of work related
stuff during
such breaks, particularly getting to know what people on
other projects
were doing as that could provide help in solving problems in
our own
projects.
She further thought that why should smokers get it, when
many of our female
workers would spend quite a bit of time gossiping in the
toilets. Never having
visited the female toilets, I can only go on this hearsay.
Not trying to be sexist, but guys don't seem to spend any
appreciable time in
the toilet.
With e-mail and all the other modern conveniences, it seems
people speak
to each other less and less. Having coffee breaks and
nipping into the smoking
room at least maintains some semblance of human contact.
Erik A. Mattila
since 1945, primarily from the East Coast. When ever you hear someone griping
about 'The City" they are usually from Connecticut or Jersey. I grew up
commuting between LA and SF, since my mother lived in the south and my father in
the north. I was raised on the rivalry between the two -- which is quite
humorous, really.
SF was a wonderful place until about 1965, when it began to sour due to the
massive urbanization of the Bay Area. All sorts of suburbs sprang up where there
were salt marshes, apricot orchards and cattle ranches. The cold war drove a
massive defense industry that employed millions. LA did the same thing. The
farmlands in the south where I used to play in as a child are all city now. We
used to buy our milk at dairys -- you know, with real cows. The Los Angeles
River used to have a sandy bottom with frogs and fish in the water -- a great
place for kids. Now it is concrete. Today, there is little difference between
the two places. They both are wonderful in their way, and they both suck.
As for the snoots and snobs, they're everywhere. The ones in LA say SF is full
of pseudo-intellectuals, while the ones in SF say LA is full of plastic culture.
But if you look at the California economy and geographics, SF (with no real land
base) has always been an administrative center (a paperwork city) while LA, with
a huge land base, a manufacturing center. This means that SF has had in the past
a higher per capita education rate than LA. But none of this is true any
longer. Now it's all 'one' (Ohmmmmm).
Erik Mattila
stefan wrote:
> Yeah, blame it on someone else. "Real" SF people just can't be that way :)
Nick Smith
to me to be far more hateable.
For example, the British franchise had their staff dressed in Tartan
in order to make them seem more "Scottish" in line with their name but
is wasn't even the MacDonalds tartan - I can't stand this sort of
bullshit and thus will never eat at McDonalds ever!!@!!!@@#!@##
Nik
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Martha Hughes <bast...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:379964...@pacbell.net...Mustacchia wrote:
>
> Hello, I am enrolled in an International marketing class at the
> University of Houston and we are working on a project. We have a class
> project in which we are to supposedly export a product to another
> country and write a report on it. We have selected Sweden as our
> country and our product is Starbucks Coffee. My professor said he
> would like to know if the people in Sweden would be receptive to this
> type of specialty coffee retailers. Since I have never been to Sweden
> I have been looking on the internet for related topics. Does anyone
> have any feedback as to whether or not Starbucks could actually make it
> in Sweden? Are there any specialty coffee shops in Sweden already?
>
> Thanks for your help. I'd appreciate any feedback!
>
> Patty
Oh, the sheer evilness of this post Patty is beyond words. How DARE you
for even suggesting that you would have a hand at polluting an innocent
country like Sweden with Starf**ks!
Starbucks is the epitome of chain-store pollution. They move in,
destroying the local businesses. They take money away from the families
who have had their stores for decades. They take the money sometimes out
of the country, even. Every Starfucks looks the same, every starfucks
serve the same drinks. It's digusting! It may be just a fun little
project to you, but it could be the end of many Swedish businesses. I
say DIE STARBUCKS, DIE!!!!!!
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stefan <li...@last.net> wrote in message news:live-24079...@cx760240-a.chnd1.az.home.com...In article <7nd4n1$rmp$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Electric Avenue"
<«¤»¥«¤» «¤»¥«¤» «¤»¥«¤»> wrote:
> Martha Hughes wrote:
> >I've had coffee in Scandinavia and I've had coffee in the U.S. Maybe
> >you're talking about the crappy "Folger's" type, but our better brands
> >taste much better than what I had over there. Ours is much stronger.
>
> Oy, oy, oy! *Stronger*? Little lady, do you jest? Pad on down
> to your nearest nordic foodshop, you know the kind - where the
> homesick Swedes and their brethren go. *Gently* grab some Gävalia
> coffee.
Gevalia.
Matz Bjurström
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Eric J <je...@kdsi.net> wrote in message news:379BA6...@kdsi.net...
Martha Hughes wrote:
>
> stefan wrote:
> >
> > bast...@pacbell.net wrote:
> >
> > > None of my friends in Norway work as many hours as we Americans do.
> > > Perhaps this is not the norm, but I seem to think it is. My friend who
> > > is a computer programmer for the Norwegian government works 8 'til 3pm
> > > in the summer, 8-4pm in the winter, with two 1/2 hour breaks during the
> > > day. AND, he gets a starting vacation time of 4 weeks. No one in the
> > > U.S. has that kind of deal, except for maybe the MUNI bus drivers.
> >
Robert T
>
> I've had coffee in Scandinavia and I've had coffee in the U.S. Maybe
> you're talking about the crappy "Folger's" type, but our better brands
> taste much better than what I had over there. Ours is much stronger.
Yes, we should not put down U.S. coffee - it's almost as good as Brittish
coffee.... :-)
rt
Frank Herbst
stefan schrieb in Nachricht ...
>In article <7nbpkr$jem$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Electric Avenue"
><«¤»¥«¤» «¤»¥«¤» «¤»¥«¤»> wrote:
>
>> stefan wrote:
>> >Sweden has the highest per capita coffee consumption in the world and I
>> >doubt many Swedes would be interested in most weak American coffee.
>Some
>> specialties could catch on however.
>>
>>
>> *Specialties*!! You mean atomic powered rocket booster? Nothing
>> has the kick-in-the-ass like Gävalia (spelling?).
>
>Gevalia.
>
By the way, did you ever try the japanese "Macha" which is a green tea
(powder) and actually used for the traditional tea-ceremony?
Best wishes
Frank Herbst
Fredrik :Ostman
| Yes, we should not put down U.S. coffee - it's almost as good as Brittish
| coffee.... :-)
An Usonian president once said: "If this is coffee, then bring me some
tea. But if this is tea, then bring me coffee."
Wayne's coffee has made it big time in Stockholm. I hear it has some or
other Seattle connection. It looks and tastes very Swedish in Stockholm,
however. Good international business is always a matter of adapting to
the local culture. This underpins all the successful international food
and beverage brands. They never peddle their original culture, but the
fruits of it. For example, Usonians drink a lot of Absolut, but not by
observing a Swedish alcohol culture.
I guess that would even be unconstitutional over there.
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wrote:
>Hello, I am enrolled in an International marketing class at the
>University of Houston and we are working on a project. We have a class
>project in which we are to supposedly export a product to another
>country and write a report on it. We have selected Sweden as our
>country and our product is Starbucks Coffee. My professor said he
>would like to know if the people in Sweden would be receptive to this
>type of specialty coffee retailers. Since I have never been to Sweden
>I have been looking on the internet for related topics. Does anyone
>have any feedback as to whether or not Starbucks could actually make it
>in Sweden? Are there any specialty coffee shops in Sweden already?
What's Starbucks anyway ?
-JK
Jan Knutar
<Electric_Y...@Privacy.NuXX> wrote:
> Gävalia (spelling?).
Gevalia. but Gävalia sounds better :)...
-JK
HWM
> And unless you like Baywatch and 90210 it would be hard to argue that
> California has the most beautiful people in the U.S. :)
Wasn't it in SF that some ferry had trouble fitting enough people in
even though the capacity was well over the amount of passengers. On a
further survey the authorities came to the conclusion that when the
seating was figured out (in the 1950's?) people's average butt size was
smaller (18in?) and that today the local butts were so wide people took
two buttfuls of a long bench rather than consenting to the half-assed
space of the previous generation.
Californian fridges seem to have easily opening doors...
HWM
> In Finland it was quite a revelation to be able to get a
> much better, close to home taste. I think the tea sold is different and it needs more
> time to get it strong enough, when comparing to using tea I have brought back from
> Scotland.
Fresh water springing from the bedrock I suppose - excluding Turku.
> Another difference is that Finns, as most Europeans, tend to
> drink tea black, and much weaker than we would in Scotland.
Well, yes and no. I drink mine strong with sugar but if someone
approaches with milk I get nausea.
> I also find Finns have a greater liking for teas with fruity tastes &c.. which I >personally don't like.
Ditto, only variation I do like is green tea, though my wife complains
me brewing green tea it stinks like old woolen socks. Ever fancied tea
as they do in Tibet and Mongolia with a little clarified butter and a
pinch of salt?
HWM
> Wayne's coffee has made it big time in Stockholm.
I think the new one on Kaisaniemenkatu in Helsinki is a 'Wayne's' as
well. I might be mistaken. Anyone been about can say what the one there
is?
HWM
> What's Starbucks anyway ?
Apollo's mate's bar on the Galactica of course!
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HWM wrote
>Wasn't it in SF that some ferry had trouble fitting enough people in
Even wider in Southern California! That's why there are so
many gyms for people to reduce the size of that butt. This is a
real problem for Europeans coming here. The combination of
warm weather, cheap food, and car-riding just to cross the
street makes their butts blow up like a balloon. European
women always notice that after a few months of living here
they have trouble getting through the door. Why do you think
convertibles are such popular cars here? When the butt gets
too big for the butt to get through the door, one just hauls the
butt *over* the door!
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Jan Knutar wrote:
>Gevalia. but Gävalia sounds better :)...
:) Yes. It does sound *much* better. Like Häägen Dasz
ice cream. Who would want to eat something called Hoggendass?
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Frank Herbst wrote:
>By the way, did you ever try the japanese "Macha" which is a green tea
>(powder) and actually used for the traditional tea-ceremony?
It could be worth a try. Should I wear a helmet? :)
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Jan Knutar wrote:
>What's Starbucks anyway ?
It's a coffee shop franchise that started in Seattle where
*everyone* drinks coffee *everywhere*. Now it, too, is
*everywhere*, like weeds in Scandinavia in the summer time.
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I've been adding a few extra scoops of grounds. buzzzsz.
Erik Mattila
"B. Thober" wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:41:48 GMT, "Erik A. Mattila"
> <emat...@tomatoweb.com> wrote:
>
> > The problem is that the 'beautiful people' who are exposed to the
> >phrase are always shocked and outraged, since they know nothing about the
> >history of übermenshen.
>
> If 'they' (the beautiful people) gain some moderate level
> consciousness you might have a point or even something to worry
> about. 'They' couldn't fight their way out of a brown paper bag..
> 'They' are currently to busy fretting about vanilla or hazelnut cafe
> lattes, boob jobs and lawsuits. Nothing really scary about them.. And
> immersion is the best or only way to understand them..
>
> In the meantime, how about a nice cup of coffee? ;)
>
> Bryan Thober
> <az...@lafn.org>
> Los Angeles, California U.S.A.
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bthober/
Erik A. Mattila
Erik Mattila
Matz Bjurström wrote:
Expresso? Is that some sort of FastFood version of espresso? :-)
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Erik A. Mattila <emat...@tomatoweb.com> wrote in message news:379A2615...@tomatoweb.com...In the early 60s I worked in a 'genuine Beatnik Coffee house' that served a
lot of expresso.
JPivenov
>
> did someone say "merkin coffee" way back there? does merkin have some other
> meaning i don't know about?
What meaning you don't know about? 'twas supposed to be 'merkin though.
Used as in 'merkin vs. yurpeen. [American vs. European] Something to do
with how AOLers spell and/or pronounce. Other meaning is ...not in
merriam-webster? Dang! >>>
ohhhh! i get it now! <feeling dumb>
i thought a merkin was a sort of naughty toupee.. but.. maybe i just dreamt
that...
thanks
Erik A. Mattila
Erik Mattila
Janne Rinne
stefan wrote in message ...
>I have lived in the U.S. since 1991 but not yet been to a Starbucks.
>Worth a try?
Well, this doesn't really belong to s.c.n, but to me Starbucks is a place
with strong enough coffee for my nordic, (ob. nordic) taste. French people
with their espresso may say somenthing else. In many other places around
here coffee looks like strong english tea.
Janne,
in the Peoples Republic of Boulder
Electric Avenue
JPivenov wrote:
><<<JPivenov wrote:
>>
>> did someone say "merkin coffee" way back there? does merkin
>> have some other
>> meaning i don't know about?
>ohhhh! i get it now! <feeling dumb>
>i thought a merkin was a sort of naughty toupee.. but.. maybe i
>just dreamt that...
Now you got *me* wondering. What other meaning did "merkin"
have for you, JP?
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Martha Hughes
>
> No, Martha'a right. What destroyed SF was the emigrant population that poured in
> since 1945, primarily from the East Coast. When ever you hear someone griping
> about 'The City" they are usually from Connecticut or Jersey. I grew up
> commuting between LA and SF, since my mother lived in the south and my father in
> the north. I was raised on the rivalry between the two -- which is quite
> humorous, really.
>
> SF was a wonderful place until about 1965, when it began to sour due to the
> massive urbanization of the Bay Area.
Well, Erik, I think S.F. was cool in the 70s and 80s. It's just been the
last few years where the rent prices have been aweful. I'm trying to
find a room somewhere, and I'm having no luck. I don't know what I'm
going to do....
All sorts of suburbs sprang up where there
> were salt marshes, apricot orchards and cattle ranches.
When I was a kid, we used to drive down to San Jose just to handpick
cherries. They were really cheap if you got up on the ladders and picked
them yourself. During that same drive, we would first stop somewhere
really fun, like the Boardwalk in Santa Cruz, or Frontier Village.
The cold war drove a
> massive defense industry that employed millions. LA did the same thing. The
> farmlands in the south where I used to play in as a child are all city now. We
> used to buy our milk at dairys -- you know, with real cows. The Los Angeles
> River used to have a sandy bottom with frogs and fish in the water -- a great
> place for kids. Now it is concrete. Today, there is little difference between
> the two places. They both are wonderful in their way, and they both suck.
>
> As for the snoots and snobs, they're everywhere.
This is so true!!! The ones in AZ where stefan is from just where cowboy
boots!
The ones in LA say SF is full
> of pseudo-intellectuals, while the ones in SF say LA is full of plastic culture.
Try going anywhere in west L.A. without seeing someone who hasn't had
plastic surgery of some kind.
> But if you look at the California economy and geographics, SF (with no real land
> base) has always been an administrative center (a paperwork city) while LA, with
> a huge land base, a manufacturing center. This means that SF has had in the past
> a higher per capita education rate than LA. But none of this is true any
> longer. Now it's all 'one' (Ohmmmmm).
>
> Erik Mattila
>
> stefan wrote:
>
> > In article <379B49...@pacbell.net>, bast...@pacbell.net wrote:
> >
> > > stefan wrote:
> >
> > > > Sometimes I think I would prefer the attitudes of SoCal to those of
> > > > self-righteous, and "oh so sophisticated" uppity snot-noses in San
> > > > Fran... The "we are just better than you" attitude is not very appealing.
> >
> > > I don't like the San Franciscans who have that attitude either. If you
> > > think I am like that, then you are 100% wrong. The people with the worst
> > > attitudes up here weren't even born here!!!! They're the ones who have
> > > moved here from Los Angeles or the East Coast usually.
> >
> > Yeah, blame it on someone else. "Real" SF people just can't be that way :)
> >
Martha Hughes
>
> On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:12:19 -0700, li...@last.net (stefan) wrote:
>
> >There will be nothing left to build on when the San Andreas fault finally
> >drops...
>
> They imagine it will be around a 9.0 on the scale that will last for
> about 4-5 minutes.. Maybe in excess of ten minutes? Nobody really
> knows... We will have to wait and see. :>
>
> We have several nuclear reactors here too! Quite exciting if you
> think about it! your being directly downwind from us stefan.. :>
>
> (hehe)
>
> Bryan Thober
> <az...@lafn.org>
> Los Angeles, California U.S.A.
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bthober/
Bryan, you're in Lalaland...you're toast, dude.
Martha Hughes
>
> In article <379C83E5...@gnwmail.com>, HWM
> <henry.wEGGS_&_S...@gnwmail.com> wrote:
>
> > stefan wrote:
> >
> > > And unless you like Baywatch and 90210 it would be hard to argue that
> > > California has the most beautiful people in the U.S. :)
> >
> > further survey the authorities came to the conclusion that when the
> > seating was figured out (in the 1950's?) people's average butt size was
> > smaller (18in?) and that today the local butts were so wide people took
> > two buttfuls of a long bench rather than consenting to the half-assed
> > space of the previous generation.
> >
> > Californian fridges seem to have easily opening doors...
> >
> > HWM | through the mutual satisfaction of requirements.|
> > ==> hen...@GNWmail.com & http://www.softavenue.fi/u/henry.w
>
> percentage obese people. New Orleans was number 1 and Washington D.C. at
> the bottom of the list.
Cities, could very well be. Wisconsin has the most in a state, however.
I find that surprising about DC though.
Martha Hughes
>
> Jarkko H Tolvanen <jhto...@cc.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
> news:7nei6u$bil$1...@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI...
> > Martha Hughes <bast...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > : Perhaps this is not the norm, but I seem to think it is.
> My friend who
> > : is a computer programmer for the Norwegian government
> works 8 'til 3pm
> > : in the summer, 8-4pm in the winter, with two 1/2 hour
> breaks during the
> > : day. AND, he gets a starting vacation time of 4 weeks.
> No one in the
> > : U.S. has that kind of deal, except for maybe the MUNI
> bus drivers.
> >
> these negotiated
> > working times and contracts just as they are.
> >
> > However many private corporates have "a company policy",
> that when a deadline
> > is approaching employees work longer in order to meet the
> deadline... for
> > programmes it can easily be 10 hours per day for a week or
> so, including
> > Saturday. Then when the project is finished it will be
> easier for a
> > while. For example my cousin worked for a company where it
> was not
> > unusual that a project meeting started at 6pm during these
> hectic weeks
> > before the deadline, and they still expected employees to
> start around 9am
> > at latest.
> >
> > And again, I'm talking about Finland, as I haven't really
> been in Norway
> > either :-).
>
> The company I work for, quite often, has had to ask for
> dispensations from the
> authorities, because we go over the overtime limits, heavy
> workload and
> again project work, being the reasons.
> Additionally, we work a flexi-system, and most people are
> carrying plus hours,
> not because they are forced to work them, people do to get a
> job done or to
> build up hours so that they can take them when they need
> some extra free
> hours.
> Again, this is in Finland.
>
> Thomson
What Geir tells me is that if he has to work overtime hours, he doesn't
get paid for it, but gets extra time off.
>
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> ----------
> "Oh wad some power the giftie gie us
> To see oursel's as others see us!
> It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
> And foolish notion." Rabbie Burns
>
> Thomson McFarlane
>
> thomson....@valmet.com
> tm...@sci.fi
>
> All my opinions are my own, wholly my own and nothing but my
> own.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
Martha Hughes
>
> stefan wrote:
>
> > And unless you like Baywatch and 90210 it would be hard to argue that
> > California has the most beautiful people in the U.S. :)
>
> Wasn't it in SF that some ferry had trouble fitting enough people in
> even though the capacity was well over the amount of passengers. On a
> further survey the authorities came to the conclusion that when the
> seating was figured out (in the 1950's?) people's average butt size was
> smaller (18in?) and that today the local butts were so wide people took
> two buttfuls of a long bench rather than consenting to the half-assed
> space of the previous generation.
>
> Californian fridges seem to have easily opening doors...
Actually, if you go by states, California is way down the list in obese
people. Wisconsin has the most obese folks, followed by Minnesota, some
more midwest states and southern states.
In Wisconsin, the Green Bay Packers fans are known as cheeseheads, so
there ya' go. Wisconsin also has the most alcoholics and serial killers.
Martha Hughes
>
> Martha Hughes wrote:
> >
> > stefan wrote:
> > >
> > > bast...@pacbell.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > None of my friends in Norway work as many hours as we Americans do.
> > > > is a computer programmer for the Norwegian government works 8 'til 3pm
> > > > in the summer, 8-4pm in the winter, with two 1/2 hour breaks during the
> > > > day. AND, he gets a starting vacation time of 4 weeks. No one in the
> > > > U.S. has that kind of deal, except for maybe the MUNI bus drivers.
> > >
> > > does not drive a bus (one of her aunts do in the Bay Area though)...
> >
> > That is very, and I must reiterate, very unusual in the U.S.
>
> When I completed my 15th year at the Postal Service, I received *5*
> weeks vacation. Just another "unuaual" example.
>
> Eric J.
After 15 years, sure, but to get 5 weeks after one year? That's what I
was talking about!
Martha Hughes
>
> Why do you guys hate Starbucks so much? I mean MacDonalds would seem
> to me to be far more hateable.
>
> For example, the British franchise had their staff dressed in Tartan
> in order to make them seem more "Scottish" in line with their name but
> is wasn't even the MacDonalds tartan - I can't stand this sort of
> bullshit and thus will never eat at McDonalds ever!!@!!!@@#!@##
>
> Nik
Nik, the reason why I detest Starfucks is that when they decide to
invade a city, they have the money to buy out any spot they want. So,
they choose a neighborhood and they don't give a shit if a great local
coffee house has been there for a long time...they move right in and
destroy the local coffee businesses around them. Sure, you may say, this
is capitalism. They destroy the neighborhood atmosphere...because, they
don't care....They do exactly the same thing as mcdonald's, they just
have a nicer wrapping around them.
** On a side note, when I see mcdonald's in other countries, they don't
spew out the smell of rancid grease as they do over here. It's enough to
make you hurl.
But back to Starfucks....every chain looks the same...every chain
collects the money and takes it away from the neighborhood. It is as I
like to call "The Malling of America." with The World to follow.
Martha Hughes
Speaking of ice cream, Norway had some of the best ice cream I've ever
had!
Martha Hughes
>
> Reminds me of what we in Sweden call "Wild West" coffee.
> Mix coffee and water, boil it and put a horse-shoe into the mix.
> If it sinks then put in more coffee...
That's like (as I said before) what my Uncle Slim used to call
"Mississippi Mud." BTW, he was a horse wrangler from Virginia. He and my
other uncle Cecil moved from Virginia to Wyoming and raised horses. Real
cowboys, those two. They wouldn't drink a cup of coffee that didn't
first get up and shake your hand.
> Regards
> Claes-Göran Lindqvist
> Electric Avenue <Electric_Y...@Privacy.NuXX> skrev i
> diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:7nd4n1$rmp$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >
> > Martha Hughes wrote:
> > >I've had coffee in Scandinavia and I've had coffee in the U.S. Maybe
> > >you're talking about the crappy "Folger's" type, but our better brands
> > >taste much better than what I had over there. Ours is much stronger.
> >
> > Oy, oy, oy! *Stronger*? Little lady, do you jest? Pad on down
> > to your nearest nordic foodshop, you know the kind - where the
> > homesick Swedes and their brethren go. *Gently* grab some Gävalia
> > coffee. Pay the outlandish price for this outlandish explosive, and
> > *gently* carry it home in a well-padded container. Brew some of this
> > stuff in your friend's chemistry lab. Keep the windows closed or
> > Nordics will come running to get some from places miles downwind of
> > you. Use about, oh, 4 tablespoons per cup of water.
> > When the soup is ready, no part of a spoon dipped into it should
> > be visible. If it is not absolutely opaque, it is too weak. Try stirring
> > it.
> > If the spoon handle handle doesn't break, it's still probably too weak.
> > Put in more Gävalia.
> > When it's finally ready, you will already be shaking. House flies
> will
> > be doing supersonic kamikazi shots into the wall. Put on a motorcycle
> > crash helmet. Get a glob of this black stuff with your least favorite
> > finger, and put it into your mouth. That buzzing you hear is in your
> > head. Quickly drink some before you splash it all over the room.
> > Mmmmmm. Good, huh? Now you will know why I said to wear a
> > crash helmet! You will stop bouncing off the walls in about 4 hours.
> >
> >
> > «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»
> > .....Electric.....
> > «¤»§«¤»¥«¤»
> >
> >
> >
> >
Martha Hughes
>
hahahaha....please, I beg you, let's not start this again!
JPivenov
Electric wrote:
<< Now you got *me* wondering. What other meaning did "merkin"
have for you, JP?>>
well, Erik Matilla crystallized my thoughts exactly when he so eloquently
wrote:
<<A naughty toupee? You mean like "yurpeen through your merkin"?>>
thanks <blushing>
Erik A. Mattila
Martha Hughes wrote:
> Well, Erik, I think S.F. was cool in the 70s and 80s. It's just been the
> last few years where the rent prices have been aweful. I'm trying to
> find a room somewhere, and I'm having no luck. I don't know what I'm
> going to do....
I guess it depends on what social indicators you use. Mine is whether or not the
elderly could stand at a bus stop without being beaten and robbed. 1965 was about the
time when this act was no longer safe.
High rents. Here's what you do. Read Thos. Malthus'"Theory of Surplus Land Value."
But I sympathize with you. In 1962 I lived in a very roomy flat on the corner of Page
and Shrader, with a whopping $95.00 per month rent. Hard to believe, isn't it. I
think Muni fares went up to 20 cents that year - exact change only. Dimes were hard
to find. Chinatown had the best food deals. Frozen squid for a nickle a pound. And
the Ukranian Bakery was still there - I can still smell it.
But if you get fed up with it, you just need to get a little bit away, and things are
better. Before I moved down here to the desert, I lived in Winters (near Lake
Berryessa). It's a wonderful little town. It takes several years to get the big city
out of your system, though. The horror of having ample parking is just too much for
some people.
Erik Mattila
Janne Niemi
Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:08:45 GMT:
>I think the new one on Kaisaniemenkatu in Helsinki is a 'Wayne's' as
>well. I might be mistaken. Anyone been about can say what the one there
>is?
Yes, I think it's Wayne's. I took an espresso there a couple of weeks
ago. It was a little disappointment; almost no crema at all and much
too watery. I make better myself at home. Maybe you are supposed to
stick to those fancy mixes containing only a drop of coffee.
A much better espresso shop is the one at Kluuvi corner, can't remeber
the name right now. I suppose this is an American style shop too (not
sure, I've never been to US), but they have managed to add a pinch of
Italian atmosphere as well.
Janne
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Frank Herbst
Electric Avenue schrieb in Nachricht
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>
>Frank Herbst wrote:
>>By the way, did you ever try the japanese "Macha" which is a green tea
>>(powder) and actually used for the traditional tea-ceremony?
>
>
> It could be worth a try. Should I wear a helmet? :)
Perhaps you should find someone who is keen on preparing it and who knows
about the different qualities.
And then: If the Macha is too strong you are too weak.
Best wishes
Frank Herbst
Electric Avenue
Frank Herbst wrote about "macha" tea:
>Perhaps you should find someone who is keen on preparing it and
>who knows about the different qualities.
>And then: If the Macha is too strong you are too weak.
Something tells me I should work out at the gym for a while
before trying this. :)
«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»
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Matz Bjurström
correctly?"
:-)
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Cheers
Matz Bjurström
Sweden
Erik A. Mattila <emat...@tomatoweb.com> wrote in message
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A naughty toupee? You mean like "yurpeen through your merkin"?
Erik Mattila
JPivenov wrote:
> <<<JPivenov wrote:
> >
> > did someone say "merkin coffee" way back there? does merkin have some
other
> > meaning i don't know about?
>
> What meaning you don't know about? 'twas supposed to be 'merkin though.
> Used as in 'merkin vs. yurpeen. [American vs. European] Something to do
> with how AOLers spell and/or pronounce. Other meaning is ...not in
> merriam-webster? Dang! >>>
>
> ohhhh! i get it now! <feeling dumb>
> i thought a merkin was a sort of naughty toupee.. but.. maybe i just
dreamt
> that...
>
> thanks
HWM
bast...@pacbell.net wrote:
>Wisconsin also has the most alcoholics and serial killers.
Would this be attributed to the traits of the substantial amount of
Scandinavian immigrants to the region?
This kind of 'happy and positive' songs probably are in the top10?
(free translation from Eppu Normaali)
"Innocent he was born, by chance
to this land of north and cold
where already the forefathers
in drunken stupor of course
beat the wives and children
if only they caught them
The traditional man's destiny
wanted to avoid this boy
he promised
'Never shall I buy an axe
and never shall I drink liquor
otherwise I'll drink the house.'
The snow calls the family at winter
but he shan't do like his dad
but as the jobcentre gets him no job
the hand of destiny offers him drink
And the Thomas Nogood is revived
the servant picks up the master's habits
and sprints to the liquor store
It drives a man into despair
when frost reaps the crop
from the the cold earth
a cold eye watches
when the axe rises
;From the midst of the mounds
the native soil
fathers proudly
look at their sons
unemployment, booze
axe, family
snow, police
last mistake..."
And that is about as far I can translate. Half of the words are
'inside' things, allegories to other songs & traditions but the last
stanza is plain impossible.
But I guess you get a hang of the mood... Finnish pop music at its best.
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Eric J
> was talking about!
Sorry. I'll try to magically understand what you're talking about
next time (maybe).
True, my vacation was not five weeks. But I just started a job at a
pharmaceutical-related manufacturing plant and I'm receiving three weeks
vacation to start. Not four weeks, but still not bad. (Of course, this
doesn't count the entire week of paid holiday days between XMAS and New
Year's Day...so there you go).
Eric J.