What are Caucasians?
Bertram Manz
commonly mean by Caucasian? A person from Caucasus (I assume there are not
many living in NZ) or a white person (mostly belonging to the Indo-Germanic
race)? Can anybody clarify?
Many thanks,
Bertram
Bobs
Bertram Manz wrote:
It just means white people these days. Especially those from English and German
stock since they are originally from the same breed. That includes most white
americans, kiwis, canadians and aussies.
What a great and diverse race!
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> Many thanks,
> Bertram
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<ManzB@no_sp_am.ibmt.fhg.de> wrote:
It appears to be one of those terms picked up from american police TV
shows. I don't know why they use it, as people from the western part of
Russia (e.g. Moscow, St Petersberg) or from Belorus or Ukraine seem to
regard people as far east as the Caucus mountains as being rather
asiatic.
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John Cawston
My 1964 Concise Oxford defines as 'member of the white race, Indo-European"
and secondly as an "inhabitant of the Caucasus".
But my 1954 version adds as a secondary meaning "The Caucasus, supposed
starting place".
JC
Paul Purves
COD9 defines it as 1 of or relating to the white or light-skinned
division of humankind. (Nicely PC there)
Anthropolgy (please excuse me, any real anthropolgists) used to divide
mankind into caucasoid, negroid, mongoloid and asiatic types. There were
probably some others as well, but it was based on physiognomy such as
skin colour, nose shape, lip thickness and hair growth (curly, kinked,
straight and so on.)
Because using European as a racial type wasn't considered appropriate
when North Americans, South Americans and lots of others may have had
European ancestors but hadn't set foot on the continent for hundreds of
years, caucasoid as an anthropolgy term was adapted to be Caucasian as a
racial term. Of course it falls down somewhat when you consider the
variety of types that originated in Europe, so the Americans keep busily
inventing or adapting new terms such as Hispanic. There are also other
terms such as Hamitic and Semitic which relate to the supposed sons of
Abraham, Ham and Sem.
I consider it to be a shorthand for people dealing with a person or
group as a "type", not as an individual with certain characteristics.
Your opinion may vary.
Paul
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Dave Joll
As far as I can tell when someone says "Caucasian"
they mean "Caucasoid" as different from "Negroid"
or "Mongoloid". I'm not sure whether or not there
are any other "oids" in that set though.
John Cawston
What interested me was the older definition of "starting point". Any idea what
that cryptic reference is to? Its easy enough to do a few guesses, but someone
may have the facts.
JC
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Simon Pleasants
> It appears to be one of those terms picked up from american police TV
> shows.
But in UK cop shows they say, "IC one male" or "IC two female". What does
that mean?
Lyndon Watson
> As far as I can tell when someone says "Caucasian"
> they mean "Caucasoid" as different from "Negroid"
> or "Mongoloid". I'm not sure whether or not there
> are any other "oids" in that set though.
No, as Paul Purves just pointed out, it comes from the old practice of
classifying people by their physical characteristics according to the
three archetypes - so much caucasoid character, so much mongoloid and so
much negroid. It was much too crude a system to serve for long, but,
possibly through biblical influence (remember Shem, Ham and Japheth, the
sons of Noah, supposed to be ancestors of the Middle Eastern, African
and European racers respectively) it became linked with ideas of racial
origin as opposed to mere classification, and all sorts of racist
theories are based on the idea that there are, or were, such things as
"pure" Caucasian, Mongolian and Negro races and that all physical
characteristics can be attributed to the characteristics of those races.
LW
Ashley
"Simon Pleasants" <simonpsp...@the.net.nz> wrote in message
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Can't remember specifically what the IC stands for, but "IC one" is white,
all the other ICs are other easily identifiable racial categories - ie
black, asian (indian subcontinent), chinese (true asian) ... I'm sure
there's more
Regan
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according to www.acronymfinder.com :
IC ONE = Police Identity Code for White Skinned European
IC TWO = Police Identity Code for Dark Skinned European
IC THREE = Police Identity Code for Negroid
IC FOUR = Police Identity Code For Indian or Pakistani
IC FIVE = Police Identity Code For Chinese or Japanese
IC SIX = Police Identity Code for An Arab
IC SEVEN = Police Identity Code for Half Cast or Unidentified
Ashley
"Regan" <spa...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> IC ONE = Police Identity Code for White Skinned European
> IC TWO = Police Identity Code for Dark Skinned European
> IC THREE = Police Identity Code for Negroid
> IC FOUR = Police Identity Code For Indian or Pakistani
> IC FIVE = Police Identity Code For Chinese or Japanese
> IC SIX = Police Identity Code for An Arab
> IC SEVEN = Police Identity Code for Half Cast or Unidentified
Judging by your contributions to this ng tonight, Regan, I'm willing to bet
you get invited to dinner parties a lot and people fight over you for their
trivia teams ;-)