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lo yeeOn
May 18, 2013, 4:39:37 AM5/18/13
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In article <65bdd9df-b268-4b57...@qc10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
The Progressive Voice <thomasw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Has Hollywood sold out on Tibet?You'd think the idea of a Hollywood
>studio collaborating with the Chinese government on a Tibet movie
>would not only be radioactive, but also absurd.
>
>http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/130516/hollywood-tibet-code-film
>
> ...
>
>While Tibet remains a passionate cause for many celebrities, their
>power over the studios may be waning.
>
>As Professor Barry Sautman of the Hong Kong University of Science and
>Technology notes:
>
>"It's not to say that there aren't people in Hollywood still committed
>to the Tibetan exiles' cause, for example Richard Gere. But certain
>major studios have to take into account that they want to sell their
>movies in China. So they may not be so willing to immediately jump
>when they're criticized. It's more divorced from political
>conceptions."
Sautman is either ignorant or disingenuous. Hollywood stars never had
any power over the studios to begin with. How can their "power over
the studios" be "waning". Besides, Richard Gere can only qualify as a
Hollywood starlet, at best. His Hollywood bosses was trying to sell
him as an American "gigolo" when he was somewhat younger. He was no
Rock Hudson, Gary Cooper, Cary Grant, or Jimmy Stewart. Even those
real stars from Hollywood could not influence the studios.
And it is even funnier to expect the film studios to commit suicide
for Da Lama's sake.
The narrative of China being a bad guy in Tibet is just propaganda
from the State Department to begin with. Obviously, the State Dept.
can count on taking money from the American taxpayers. But the film
studios have to make film that sells - a world of difference!
But even Sautman identifies all these Hollywood "sell-out" hooplas as
a matter of "Tibetan exiles' cause". That's right! While the Free
Tibet crowd and their VOA/RFA mouthpieces are busy advertising the
gruesome stories of self-immolations by nuns, teenagers, and young
mothers, it is an advertisement for a cause that concerns only the 10
percent of the Tibetans who are in exiles.
And for their selfish cause, they have no compunction about appealing
to the depraved nature of those things they want the world to see.
They want the world to see the depravity of charred bodies placed in
prostration before a full-color, larger-than-life, photo of Da Lama.
They want the world to believe that six millions of Tibetans are a
monolithic Da Lama-centric and backward looking group of people who
cares nothing about living except dying for Da Lama. It is crazy!
Tom Jigme Wheat is no exception in his work for Da Lama. He resorted
to the shock-jock approach to advertising by invoking the "GRAPHIC"
word for those gruesome self-immolation video. (See his post or below
at the close of his article.)
Naturally, those who are in exiles are typically related to the
Tibetans who were the privileged class: monks and landowners. Of
course they are unhappy now. They used to own land and did not have
to work. And Heinrich Harrer in his Seven Years in Tibet described
the women of this ruling class as a bunch of frivolous people who
spent an enormous amount of time everyday trying to making themselves
up and were often entertained by Da Lama's Mama with her sumptuous
40-course dinner.
But these Tibetan exiles are the 10% of all Tibetans! What about the
90% who don't want Da Lama to return? That is where the CCP comes in.
The CCP liberated the Tibetan serfs - millions of them and now it has
to patiently guide them out of their medieval superstitious mindset
into modernity so that they can march forward in locksteps with their
brothers and sisters in the rest of the world.
Of course, the State Department and its propaganda arm do not want to
acknowledge that 90% who are marching with the rest of China. They
always pretend that the 10% is 100%. But that is simply not true.
The way to stop those self-immolations is to 1) get the Tibetans to be
more educated so that they can think for themselves instead of being
mired in a huge reservoir of superstitution; 2) raise the standards of
living and increase the longevity of the masses further; and 3) cut
off the flow of funding and communication from the destructive exiles.
lo yeeOn
1) Tibetans don't want repatriation of Dalai Lama: Chinese Vice
Minister Cui Yuying
SUBODH GAUTAM
http://www.myrepublica.com/portal/index.php?action=news_details&news_id=54605
BEIJING, May 12: Chinese Vice Minister in the State Council
Information Office Cui Yuying has said that the Tibetan people won't
accept the repatriation of Dalai Lama, who she said is bent on
disintegrating the country.
Cui, who was born in Tibet and later also became chief of Tibet
Autonomous Region (TAR), said people living in TAR do not accept the
political ideology held by Dalai Lama. Foreign media might have been
spreading rumors that Tibetan people want repatriation of Dalai
Lama. But this is not the situation," she said. "Our investigation
has shown that Tibetans do not want to see Dalai Lama coming back."
Cui said that 14th Dalai Lama had not done anything to bring about
development in Tibet. "Dalai Lama only tried to disintegrate the
country. Tibetans do not agree with this kind of thought," she told
visiting journalists from Nepal and India on Thursday evening.
Stating that it was China, which gave him the title of Dalai Lama,
Vice Minister Cui said, "The recognition was not given only for the
14th Dalai Lama, but also for all his predecessors. But Tibetan people
do not agree with the political ideology of the 14th Lama."
Asked if the Chinese government had made any initiatives to repatriate
some 200,000 Tibetan refugees living in India, Cui said, "There is no
problem for Tibetans who would enter Tibet individually. But it is
difficult for those who enter Tibet as a representative of Dalai
Lama," she further said. Dalai Lama, who has been advocating for Free
Tibet, is living an exiled life in Dharmashala, India since 1959.
Cui said there won't be any change in Chinese policy toward the
Tibetans living abroad. "There are many rights and privileges secured
for Tibetans returning to Tibet on individual basis. They will return
to Tibet if they learn about this. Doors are always open for them to
Tibet," she said.
Cui said Dalai Lama might have told that Tibet was like heaven and the
people had everything they needed during his rule. "But that was not
the case. There was abject poverty in Tibet during those days,"
While claiming that US intelligence agency CIA had been distributing
money to Dalai Lama and his followers, Cui said, "Dalai Lama has not
spent that money wisely. This is the reason why his followers are
living a miserable life," she added.
On the occasion, she also mentioned that Chinese government had placed
Tibet in its priority list and it was bringing about development in
different sectors in Tibet. "Tibet was completely different 50 or 60
years ago. The life styles of Tibetan people have changed only
recently," she told.
While there was only one kilometer road from Potala Place to Winter
Palace, only two percent of the population was literate in Tibet when
Dalai Lama had left Tibet. There were no programs for the conservation
of monasteries. The average life expectancy has now reached 70 years
against 36 years back in the 1960s and 99 percent of the Tibetan
people have access to free education. Tibet now has seven airports and
widely connected road network.
Published on 2013-05-13 06:40:23
2) Tibet under the influence of Da Lama will always be a culture of
death
Subject: Gyatso and the new life he was able to find, finally and
luckily, demonstrate a fundamental difference in attitude between
China and the TGIE toward self-immolation
The biggest difference in attitude between the Chinese government and
the so-called Tibetan government-in-exile towards the self-immolation
issue lies in whether they cherish young people's lives, according to
Gyatso. "People here from the Public Security Bureau, the court, and
the prison all asked me one same question "why didn't you cherish your
own life since you are so young?" But life is valueless for "Dusum
Legong" and the "Sanqu Assiciation[sic]". They were trying their best
to encourage me to conduct self-immolation, not to stop me!
Note: "Dusum Legong" is the Security Department of the "Tibetan
government-in-exile".
In article <4204284.n2CyJkYeX1@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>lo yeeOn wrote:
>
>> Earlier, you were visibly sneering as you spit out these words (with
>> the line after the ">" coming from that of ltlee1's original post):
>
>Thank you kindly for pointing that out mister lo yeeOn.
>So stupid of me, sorry. But please do not abuse my words
>for other goals, they are not meant for that.
No need to pretend, Neljor!
Did you also state somewhere that "China is playing with fire"?
How so? Or did you mean the Free Tibet crowd and the TGIE are the
people who are playing with fire?
In any case, just read the story about Gyatso:
lo yeeOn
Behind the scenes of Tibetan's self-immolation
2013-01-24 07:38:36 GMT2013-01-24 15:38:36(Beijing Time) SINA.com
http://english.sina.com/china/2013/0123/552928.html
Editor's note: From a young monk who just wanted to learn "tsema" from
a learned master, to get involved in the "Tibet independence"
propaganda, then to earn money through participating in hunger strike
activities to enrich his experience, to a chosen potential
self-immolator, Gyatso was ignorant and had no time and consciousness
to think about the deep consequences and reasons behind what had
happened to him.
His simple mind and impulse had become the weakness used by Tibet
organization. Like many other Tibetan young men, Gyaso was an
enthusiastic and devout boy who had not formed his own mature view of
the world.
After having committed two failed self-immolations, Gyatso gradually
calmed down and developed a fear for his future. However, then he
hadn't come out of the crazy state as he had turned into a fanatic of
self-immolation from a young lama who once dreamed of "sacrifice
himself to religion".
A few days after the two failed self-immolation plans, Lhamo Ja found
Gyatso again, and told him that he had brought a good news, saying he
had received an instruction from Ala Jigme, a senior official from the
"Dusum Legong" (or the Security Department of the "Tibetan
government-in-exile"), that Gyatso would be sent to Tibet to commit
self-immolation so as to create a "bigger" influence.
After hearing the words, Gyatso hesitated and was reluctant to go back
to Tibet as he had broken the law when he stole into India, and he
would not know what to do if he were arrested.
Lhamo Ja was a little upset about Gyatso's attitude. However, he could
do nothing but to invite several big names to encourage Gyatso.
One night, Gyatso was received by "Dusum Legong" Kalon, a senior
officer of the Security Department of the "Tibetan
government-in-exile". It was the first time for Gyatso to meet such
an "important person" since he had been in India.
At that time, Gyatso had a complicated feeling as he finally met
somebody thus he was determined to sacrifice for the 6 million Tibetan
people.
The officer, named Kalon Pema told you are chosen to conduct the
self-immolation in Lhasa, a place under the control of the Chinese
Central Government. Then it would be China's responsibility to explain
your fight for the cause of "Tibet independence". In this way we can
get the universal attention and support of the international
community, and you yourself can also become a hero admired by the
Tibetan people.
Kalon Pema told Gyatso that his family members or friends who sent his
self-immolation videotapes or pictures to India could get preferential
treatment and could be sent to abroad for further studying. "However,
if you are arrested, you shouldn't say anything about us or it will
bring bad influence to the "Tibetan government-in-exile. And you could
not come back if you didn't conduct self-immolation," said Kalon Pema.
Gyatso felt very angry about what Kalon Pema had told him, because in
his mind, he was to sacrifice for the cause of "Tibet independence".
How could he bring bad international influence to the "Tibetan
government-in-exile"?
However Gyatso held his own idea that the 14th Dalai Lama supported
him, so the "Tibetan government-in-exile" would not abandon him. He
obeyed their order.
In order to avoid exposing the meeting between "Dusum Legong" and
Gyatso, they decided to send Gyatso to Nepal.
In Nepal, Gyatso was given 400,000 Cordoba (about 8,040 $) to steal
back to Tibet with another name.
He went to Lhasa with a man named Thubten, who was also appointed by
the "Dusum Legong" and asked to shoot the scene when Gyatso committed
self-immolation.
However, after all the careful "preparations", Gyatso and his allies
were arrested before they arrived in Lhasa. Gyatso was brought to the
police station as he was extremely nervous and didn't have any
certificate.
What kind of penalty will Gyatso face after being arrested? Will
Thubten be brought to justice? Gyatso, the young lama who had been
wandering between life and death was neither the first nor the last
misguided fanatic who were controlled by their own irrational impulses
or certain people with ulterior motives.
The question of how to guide the young people to avoid the tragedies
occurring again must be answered.
Gyatso was brought to the police station and he was extremely nervous
as he didn't have ID. Later, he was found illegal entry. However, at
that time the police didn't know that he planned to commit
self-immolation in Lhasa.
At first, Gyatso didn't reveal anything about self-immolation, so he
began to fabricate stories to confuse the police. But his word was too
inconsistent, and even he himself was not convinced.
Gyatso once had a delusion that Thubten might come back to save
him. He was afraid to mention the connection with Thubten for fear of
revenge. But Gyatso finally confessed everything after he had known
that Thubten was also arrested.
During the trial, Gyatso admitted that he was sent to commit
self-immolation in Lhasa by the "Dusum Legong" (or the Security
Department of the "Tibetan government-in-exile"). To be honest, I did
not really want to die. I felt relieved when I heard that I was
sentenced to eight years.
At present, Gyatso said that his biggest wish was to live a new life
after being released as early as possible.
The biggest difference in attitude towards Chinese government and the
so-called Tibetan government-in-exile on self-immolation issue lies in
whether they cherish young people's life, according to Gyatso.
"People here from the Public Security Bureau, the court, and the
prison all asked me one same question "why didn't you cherish your own
life since you are so young?" But life is valueless for "Dusum
Legong" and the "Sanqu Assiciation". They were trying their best to
encourage me to conduct self-immolation, not to stop me!
Gyatso said there were and would be many impulsive young men like him
who might follow the path of self-immolation if the Dalai clique still
propagated "Tibet Independence" overseas through all means like films
and newspapers.
Unfortunately, what Gyatso had been concerned came true now. One after
another young people have set themselves on fire and lost their lives
under the incitation of the Dalai clique.
Gyatso once said that he wished to add one picture of burning fire in
his story. "I wish anyone who reads my story could feel the pain I
was suffering."
Now, both Gyatso and Thubten have been released from prison, and they
have already returned to normal life, giving people some release.
From the time he stole into India till now, it seems that Gyatso has
had a nightmare. Fortunately, he is still alive.
The story of Gyatso explains a fact that anyone could be controlled or
manipulated under a frenzy and irrational mind state. Maybe Gyatso's
words could make a perfect ending to the story: "it is just like a
dream. Fortunately, I still have the hope to start my new life."
Source: China Tibet Online
------
Dalai Lama: Savior, or Selfish Jerk?
Posted on May 14, 2012 by Brian Dunning
Brian Dunning:
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2012/05/14/dalai-lama-savior-or-selfish-jerk/
So this week, the London bureau of CNN reported:
The Dalai Lama refused to answer a question Monday about whether
Tibetan monks should stop setting themselves on fire to protest
China's occupation of Tibet.
"No answer," he said, saying it was a sensitive political question
and that he had retired from politics.
What's going on is that Tibetan Buddhist monks have been killing
themselves via self-imolation, setting themselves on fire. It's about
the most horrific way to die imaginable.
The Dalai Lama - who has maintained his headquarters in India ever
since the 1959 escape from Chinese forces in Tibet - is today
basically a fundraiser. He is, in fact, probably the most successful
individual fundraiser in the world. His is the rallying cry of freeing
Tibet from Chinese occupation... so westerners seem to think.
All of the infrastructure that exists in Tibet was built by the
Chinese. Every paved road, every hospital, every school, and every
power plant (without exception) was built by the Chinese. Every single
paying job that exists in Tibet (without exception) was created by the
Chinese. Every literate native Tibetan (without exception) was
educated by the Chinese. The Chinese certainly have their faults, no
argument there; but the fact remains that Tibet exists as a nation of
free, working people only because of Chinese influence.
The Dalai Lama is keenly aware of that. His call is not for a "free
Tibet" as many westerners believe; it is for Tibet to be converted
from a Chinese Autonomous Region to a Chinese Special Administrative
Region, similar to Hong Kong. This difference would make not a single
practical difference to Tibetans; the only effect it would have would
be to allow the Dalai Lama and other exiled members of the ruling monk
class to return to their palace in Potala. It would ensure the
continued free flow of money from China to Tibet, and Tibet would
remain a part of China. There's not a thing wrong with the monks
returning to their palace, in my opinion. If ordinary Tibetans want
their traditional oppressors back in the palace as figureheads, great,
I'm all for it.
There's not a thing wrong with what the Dalai Lama campaigns for, or
with his fundraising - and here's where I want to be clear - so long
as he's honest about how the funds are going to be used. None of the
Dalai Lama's raised hundreds of millions of dollars that benefit
Tibetan citizens in the slightest. He gives most of it to unrelated
charities, and that's a fine thing; but his only prerogative in Tibet
is to get himself back to Potala. The Chinese already do everything
for the Tibetan citizenry; there is no work for the Dalai Lama to do
in that vein.
The rest of the money he raises go to his pet project: metaphysical
spirituality. In many ways, he's no different from Deepak Chopra;
except that instead of misstating quantum physics, he allows his
donors to misperceive his mission. The Dalai Lama is a highly
successful self-help and metaphysical author. He's written The Art of
Happiness: A Handbook for Living, How to Practice: The Way to a
Meaningful Life, How to See Yourself As You Really Are, The Dalai
Lama's Little Book of Inner Peace: The Essential Life and Teachings,
The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science and
Spirituality (the most Deepak Chopra-like of his books), Becoming
Enlightened, Healing Anger: The Power of Patience from a Buddhist
Perspective, An Open Heart: Practicing Compassion in Everyday Life,
and dozens of others. He does not need your money.
There's nothing wrong with writing nonsensical metaphysical self-help
books, if that's what people want to buy. In fact, this week's news is
the only time I've had a real problem with the guy. And to me, it's a
big problem.
His followers are brutally killing themselves on his behalf, and his
only reaction is "No comment", followed by a lame excuse that he's
retired.
Why does he have no comment? Obviously, because his entire marketing
machine is driven by the perception that China's involvement in Tibet
is an atrocity. Every time a monk lights himself on fire, I guarantee
you that somewhere, the Dalai Lama's cash register's bell rings.
If asked for my comment on the deaths, 30 of them in the last year
alone, I'd say it's horrific and I wish they wouldn't do it, and
whoever is condoning it should be arrested. If I had influence over
them the way the Dalai Lama does, I'd have used the media opportunity
to appeal to all of them to stop doing that. Please. My return to
Potala is not worth your life.
Apparently, the Dalai Lama doesn't see it the way I do. For a
metaphysical self-help guru who wants you to find your inner peace and
happiness, his who-gives-a-shit reaction to his followers killing
themselves is pretty fucked up. Pardon my language, but swear words
are not nearly as atrocious as the Dalai Lama's "no comment". He might
as well have answered "Send me more money, and maybe they won't have
to keep doing that."
RMC = Ruling Monk Class
ORMC = Oppression from RMC
MCFA = Massive Chinese Financial Aid
XPLOS = Extreme Poverty from Lack of Support
RMCLIP = Ruling Monk Class Lives in Palace
ORMC MCFA XPLOS RMCLIP
What Tibet Used to Be: yes no yes yes
(ignored) province
What Tibet is Now" no yes no no
(Chinese Autonomous Region)
What the Dalai Lama Wants: not clear yes not clear yes
(Chinese Special Adminstrative Region like Hong Kong)
What Hollywood wants:
("Free Tibet") yes no yes yes
I've attached this infographic. No, I do not believe that Hollywood
celebrities and all the "Free Tibet" demonstrators want poverty and
oppression in Tibet; but if China's support was all suddenly pulled,
and every single Tibetan became unemployed and was forced to return to
serfdom, that's exactly what would happen, by necessity. Tibet has no
natural resources, no industries, and no economy whatsoever beyond
what China has imported. A free Tibet is a penniless Tibet, which is
why only those who know far less about the situation than the Dalai
Lama are demanding it.
--------
By Daniel Burke
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON (RNS) The Dalai Lama is spending 10 days here leading an
elaborate Buddhist ritual designed to encourage compassion - exactly
the kind of peacenik advocacy we have come to expect from the
76-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner.
But while most of Tibet's 13 previous Dalai Lamas displayed similar
moral scruples, a few weren't quite so peaceable, or even very
monk-like at all.
Catholics may reluctantly recall instances of popes behaving
badly. But Tibetans don't draw bright moral lines between "good" and
"bad" Dalai Lamas, explained Robert Barnett, an expert on the history
of Tibet at Columbia University in New York.
"They are not judgmental about these differences," he said. "All are
considered necessary and valuable." And all are considered
reincarnations of Chenrezig, a kind of Buddhist saint dedicated to
saving others from delusion and suffering.
Just as the Buddha may be depicted as red with anger in one painting
and serene in another, Tibetans expect their lamas - . . .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/dalai-lama_n_896500.html
>
>More from GlobalPost: Tibet self-immolation: Video purports to show
>nun setting herself on fire (GRAPHIC)
>
>http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/130516/hollywood-tibet-code-film
>
>thomaswheat1975
The Progressive Voice <thomasw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Has Hollywood sold out on Tibet?You'd think the idea of a Hollywood
>studio collaborating with the Chinese government on a Tibet movie
>would not only be radioactive, but also absurd.
>
>http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/130516/hollywood-tibet-code-film
>
> ...
>
>While Tibet remains a passionate cause for many celebrities, their
>power over the studios may be waning.
>
>As Professor Barry Sautman of the Hong Kong University of Science and
>Technology notes:
>
>"It's not to say that there aren't people in Hollywood still committed
>to the Tibetan exiles' cause, for example Richard Gere. But certain
>major studios have to take into account that they want to sell their
>movies in China. So they may not be so willing to immediately jump
>when they're criticized. It's more divorced from political
>conceptions."
Sautman is either ignorant or disingenuous. Hollywood stars never had
any power over the studios to begin with. How can their "power over
the studios" be "waning". Besides, Richard Gere can only qualify as a
Hollywood starlet, at best. His Hollywood bosses was trying to sell
him as an American "gigolo" when he was somewhat younger. He was no
Rock Hudson, Gary Cooper, Cary Grant, or Jimmy Stewart. Even those
real stars from Hollywood could not influence the studios.
And it is even funnier to expect the film studios to commit suicide
for Da Lama's sake.
The narrative of China being a bad guy in Tibet is just propaganda
from the State Department to begin with. Obviously, the State Dept.
can count on taking money from the American taxpayers. But the film
studios have to make film that sells - a world of difference!
But even Sautman identifies all these Hollywood "sell-out" hooplas as
a matter of "Tibetan exiles' cause". That's right! While the Free
Tibet crowd and their VOA/RFA mouthpieces are busy advertising the
gruesome stories of self-immolations by nuns, teenagers, and young
mothers, it is an advertisement for a cause that concerns only the 10
percent of the Tibetans who are in exiles.
And for their selfish cause, they have no compunction about appealing
to the depraved nature of those things they want the world to see.
They want the world to see the depravity of charred bodies placed in
prostration before a full-color, larger-than-life, photo of Da Lama.
They want the world to believe that six millions of Tibetans are a
monolithic Da Lama-centric and backward looking group of people who
cares nothing about living except dying for Da Lama. It is crazy!
Tom Jigme Wheat is no exception in his work for Da Lama. He resorted
to the shock-jock approach to advertising by invoking the "GRAPHIC"
word for those gruesome self-immolation video. (See his post or below
at the close of his article.)
Naturally, those who are in exiles are typically related to the
Tibetans who were the privileged class: monks and landowners. Of
course they are unhappy now. They used to own land and did not have
to work. And Heinrich Harrer in his Seven Years in Tibet described
the women of this ruling class as a bunch of frivolous people who
spent an enormous amount of time everyday trying to making themselves
up and were often entertained by Da Lama's Mama with her sumptuous
40-course dinner.
But these Tibetan exiles are the 10% of all Tibetans! What about the
90% who don't want Da Lama to return? That is where the CCP comes in.
The CCP liberated the Tibetan serfs - millions of them and now it has
to patiently guide them out of their medieval superstitious mindset
into modernity so that they can march forward in locksteps with their
brothers and sisters in the rest of the world.
Of course, the State Department and its propaganda arm do not want to
acknowledge that 90% who are marching with the rest of China. They
always pretend that the 10% is 100%. But that is simply not true.
The way to stop those self-immolations is to 1) get the Tibetans to be
more educated so that they can think for themselves instead of being
mired in a huge reservoir of superstitution; 2) raise the standards of
living and increase the longevity of the masses further; and 3) cut
off the flow of funding and communication from the destructive exiles.
lo yeeOn
1) Tibetans don't want repatriation of Dalai Lama: Chinese Vice
Minister Cui Yuying
SUBODH GAUTAM
http://www.myrepublica.com/portal/index.php?action=news_details&news_id=54605
BEIJING, May 12: Chinese Vice Minister in the State Council
Information Office Cui Yuying has said that the Tibetan people won't
accept the repatriation of Dalai Lama, who she said is bent on
disintegrating the country.
Cui, who was born in Tibet and later also became chief of Tibet
Autonomous Region (TAR), said people living in TAR do not accept the
political ideology held by Dalai Lama. Foreign media might have been
spreading rumors that Tibetan people want repatriation of Dalai
Lama. But this is not the situation," she said. "Our investigation
has shown that Tibetans do not want to see Dalai Lama coming back."
Cui said that 14th Dalai Lama had not done anything to bring about
development in Tibet. "Dalai Lama only tried to disintegrate the
country. Tibetans do not agree with this kind of thought," she told
visiting journalists from Nepal and India on Thursday evening.
Stating that it was China, which gave him the title of Dalai Lama,
Vice Minister Cui said, "The recognition was not given only for the
14th Dalai Lama, but also for all his predecessors. But Tibetan people
do not agree with the political ideology of the 14th Lama."
Asked if the Chinese government had made any initiatives to repatriate
some 200,000 Tibetan refugees living in India, Cui said, "There is no
problem for Tibetans who would enter Tibet individually. But it is
difficult for those who enter Tibet as a representative of Dalai
Lama," she further said. Dalai Lama, who has been advocating for Free
Tibet, is living an exiled life in Dharmashala, India since 1959.
Cui said there won't be any change in Chinese policy toward the
Tibetans living abroad. "There are many rights and privileges secured
for Tibetans returning to Tibet on individual basis. They will return
to Tibet if they learn about this. Doors are always open for them to
Tibet," she said.
Cui said Dalai Lama might have told that Tibet was like heaven and the
people had everything they needed during his rule. "But that was not
the case. There was abject poverty in Tibet during those days,"
While claiming that US intelligence agency CIA had been distributing
money to Dalai Lama and his followers, Cui said, "Dalai Lama has not
spent that money wisely. This is the reason why his followers are
living a miserable life," she added.
On the occasion, she also mentioned that Chinese government had placed
Tibet in its priority list and it was bringing about development in
different sectors in Tibet. "Tibet was completely different 50 or 60
years ago. The life styles of Tibetan people have changed only
recently," she told.
While there was only one kilometer road from Potala Place to Winter
Palace, only two percent of the population was literate in Tibet when
Dalai Lama had left Tibet. There were no programs for the conservation
of monasteries. The average life expectancy has now reached 70 years
against 36 years back in the 1960s and 99 percent of the Tibetan
people have access to free education. Tibet now has seven airports and
widely connected road network.
Published on 2013-05-13 06:40:23
2) Tibet under the influence of Da Lama will always be a culture of
death
Subject: Gyatso and the new life he was able to find, finally and
luckily, demonstrate a fundamental difference in attitude between
China and the TGIE toward self-immolation
The biggest difference in attitude between the Chinese government and
the so-called Tibetan government-in-exile towards the self-immolation
issue lies in whether they cherish young people's lives, according to
Gyatso. "People here from the Public Security Bureau, the court, and
the prison all asked me one same question "why didn't you cherish your
own life since you are so young?" But life is valueless for "Dusum
Legong" and the "Sanqu Assiciation[sic]". They were trying their best
to encourage me to conduct self-immolation, not to stop me!
Note: "Dusum Legong" is the Security Department of the "Tibetan
government-in-exile".
In article <4204284.n2CyJkYeX1@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyndns.info> wrote:
>lo yeeOn wrote:
>
>> Earlier, you were visibly sneering as you spit out these words (with
>> the line after the ">" coming from that of ltlee1's original post):
>
>Thank you kindly for pointing that out mister lo yeeOn.
>So stupid of me, sorry. But please do not abuse my words
>for other goals, they are not meant for that.
No need to pretend, Neljor!
Did you also state somewhere that "China is playing with fire"?
How so? Or did you mean the Free Tibet crowd and the TGIE are the
people who are playing with fire?
In any case, just read the story about Gyatso:
lo yeeOn
Behind the scenes of Tibetan's self-immolation
2013-01-24 07:38:36 GMT2013-01-24 15:38:36(Beijing Time) SINA.com
http://english.sina.com/china/2013/0123/552928.html
Editor's note: From a young monk who just wanted to learn "tsema" from
a learned master, to get involved in the "Tibet independence"
propaganda, then to earn money through participating in hunger strike
activities to enrich his experience, to a chosen potential
self-immolator, Gyatso was ignorant and had no time and consciousness
to think about the deep consequences and reasons behind what had
happened to him.
His simple mind and impulse had become the weakness used by Tibet
organization. Like many other Tibetan young men, Gyaso was an
enthusiastic and devout boy who had not formed his own mature view of
the world.
After having committed two failed self-immolations, Gyatso gradually
calmed down and developed a fear for his future. However, then he
hadn't come out of the crazy state as he had turned into a fanatic of
self-immolation from a young lama who once dreamed of "sacrifice
himself to religion".
A few days after the two failed self-immolation plans, Lhamo Ja found
Gyatso again, and told him that he had brought a good news, saying he
had received an instruction from Ala Jigme, a senior official from the
"Dusum Legong" (or the Security Department of the "Tibetan
government-in-exile"), that Gyatso would be sent to Tibet to commit
self-immolation so as to create a "bigger" influence.
After hearing the words, Gyatso hesitated and was reluctant to go back
to Tibet as he had broken the law when he stole into India, and he
would not know what to do if he were arrested.
Lhamo Ja was a little upset about Gyatso's attitude. However, he could
do nothing but to invite several big names to encourage Gyatso.
One night, Gyatso was received by "Dusum Legong" Kalon, a senior
officer of the Security Department of the "Tibetan
government-in-exile". It was the first time for Gyatso to meet such
an "important person" since he had been in India.
At that time, Gyatso had a complicated feeling as he finally met
somebody thus he was determined to sacrifice for the 6 million Tibetan
people.
The officer, named Kalon Pema told you are chosen to conduct the
self-immolation in Lhasa, a place under the control of the Chinese
Central Government. Then it would be China's responsibility to explain
your fight for the cause of "Tibet independence". In this way we can
get the universal attention and support of the international
community, and you yourself can also become a hero admired by the
Tibetan people.
Kalon Pema told Gyatso that his family members or friends who sent his
self-immolation videotapes or pictures to India could get preferential
treatment and could be sent to abroad for further studying. "However,
if you are arrested, you shouldn't say anything about us or it will
bring bad influence to the "Tibetan government-in-exile. And you could
not come back if you didn't conduct self-immolation," said Kalon Pema.
Gyatso felt very angry about what Kalon Pema had told him, because in
his mind, he was to sacrifice for the cause of "Tibet independence".
How could he bring bad international influence to the "Tibetan
government-in-exile"?
However Gyatso held his own idea that the 14th Dalai Lama supported
him, so the "Tibetan government-in-exile" would not abandon him. He
obeyed their order.
In order to avoid exposing the meeting between "Dusum Legong" and
Gyatso, they decided to send Gyatso to Nepal.
In Nepal, Gyatso was given 400,000 Cordoba (about 8,040 $) to steal
back to Tibet with another name.
He went to Lhasa with a man named Thubten, who was also appointed by
the "Dusum Legong" and asked to shoot the scene when Gyatso committed
self-immolation.
However, after all the careful "preparations", Gyatso and his allies
were arrested before they arrived in Lhasa. Gyatso was brought to the
police station as he was extremely nervous and didn't have any
certificate.
What kind of penalty will Gyatso face after being arrested? Will
Thubten be brought to justice? Gyatso, the young lama who had been
wandering between life and death was neither the first nor the last
misguided fanatic who were controlled by their own irrational impulses
or certain people with ulterior motives.
The question of how to guide the young people to avoid the tragedies
occurring again must be answered.
Gyatso was brought to the police station and he was extremely nervous
as he didn't have ID. Later, he was found illegal entry. However, at
that time the police didn't know that he planned to commit
self-immolation in Lhasa.
At first, Gyatso didn't reveal anything about self-immolation, so he
began to fabricate stories to confuse the police. But his word was too
inconsistent, and even he himself was not convinced.
Gyatso once had a delusion that Thubten might come back to save
him. He was afraid to mention the connection with Thubten for fear of
revenge. But Gyatso finally confessed everything after he had known
that Thubten was also arrested.
During the trial, Gyatso admitted that he was sent to commit
self-immolation in Lhasa by the "Dusum Legong" (or the Security
Department of the "Tibetan government-in-exile"). To be honest, I did
not really want to die. I felt relieved when I heard that I was
sentenced to eight years.
At present, Gyatso said that his biggest wish was to live a new life
after being released as early as possible.
The biggest difference in attitude towards Chinese government and the
so-called Tibetan government-in-exile on self-immolation issue lies in
whether they cherish young people's life, according to Gyatso.
"People here from the Public Security Bureau, the court, and the
prison all asked me one same question "why didn't you cherish your own
life since you are so young?" But life is valueless for "Dusum
Legong" and the "Sanqu Assiciation". They were trying their best to
encourage me to conduct self-immolation, not to stop me!
Gyatso said there were and would be many impulsive young men like him
who might follow the path of self-immolation if the Dalai clique still
propagated "Tibet Independence" overseas through all means like films
and newspapers.
Unfortunately, what Gyatso had been concerned came true now. One after
another young people have set themselves on fire and lost their lives
under the incitation of the Dalai clique.
Gyatso once said that he wished to add one picture of burning fire in
his story. "I wish anyone who reads my story could feel the pain I
was suffering."
Now, both Gyatso and Thubten have been released from prison, and they
have already returned to normal life, giving people some release.
From the time he stole into India till now, it seems that Gyatso has
had a nightmare. Fortunately, he is still alive.
The story of Gyatso explains a fact that anyone could be controlled or
manipulated under a frenzy and irrational mind state. Maybe Gyatso's
words could make a perfect ending to the story: "it is just like a
dream. Fortunately, I still have the hope to start my new life."
Source: China Tibet Online
------
Dalai Lama: Savior, or Selfish Jerk?
Posted on May 14, 2012 by Brian Dunning
Brian Dunning:
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2012/05/14/dalai-lama-savior-or-selfish-jerk/
So this week, the London bureau of CNN reported:
The Dalai Lama refused to answer a question Monday about whether
Tibetan monks should stop setting themselves on fire to protest
China's occupation of Tibet.
"No answer," he said, saying it was a sensitive political question
and that he had retired from politics.
What's going on is that Tibetan Buddhist monks have been killing
themselves via self-imolation, setting themselves on fire. It's about
the most horrific way to die imaginable.
The Dalai Lama - who has maintained his headquarters in India ever
since the 1959 escape from Chinese forces in Tibet - is today
basically a fundraiser. He is, in fact, probably the most successful
individual fundraiser in the world. His is the rallying cry of freeing
Tibet from Chinese occupation... so westerners seem to think.
All of the infrastructure that exists in Tibet was built by the
Chinese. Every paved road, every hospital, every school, and every
power plant (without exception) was built by the Chinese. Every single
paying job that exists in Tibet (without exception) was created by the
Chinese. Every literate native Tibetan (without exception) was
educated by the Chinese. The Chinese certainly have their faults, no
argument there; but the fact remains that Tibet exists as a nation of
free, working people only because of Chinese influence.
The Dalai Lama is keenly aware of that. His call is not for a "free
Tibet" as many westerners believe; it is for Tibet to be converted
from a Chinese Autonomous Region to a Chinese Special Administrative
Region, similar to Hong Kong. This difference would make not a single
practical difference to Tibetans; the only effect it would have would
be to allow the Dalai Lama and other exiled members of the ruling monk
class to return to their palace in Potala. It would ensure the
continued free flow of money from China to Tibet, and Tibet would
remain a part of China. There's not a thing wrong with the monks
returning to their palace, in my opinion. If ordinary Tibetans want
their traditional oppressors back in the palace as figureheads, great,
I'm all for it.
There's not a thing wrong with what the Dalai Lama campaigns for, or
with his fundraising - and here's where I want to be clear - so long
as he's honest about how the funds are going to be used. None of the
Dalai Lama's raised hundreds of millions of dollars that benefit
Tibetan citizens in the slightest. He gives most of it to unrelated
charities, and that's a fine thing; but his only prerogative in Tibet
is to get himself back to Potala. The Chinese already do everything
for the Tibetan citizenry; there is no work for the Dalai Lama to do
in that vein.
The rest of the money he raises go to his pet project: metaphysical
spirituality. In many ways, he's no different from Deepak Chopra;
except that instead of misstating quantum physics, he allows his
donors to misperceive his mission. The Dalai Lama is a highly
successful self-help and metaphysical author. He's written The Art of
Happiness: A Handbook for Living, How to Practice: The Way to a
Meaningful Life, How to See Yourself As You Really Are, The Dalai
Lama's Little Book of Inner Peace: The Essential Life and Teachings,
The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science and
Spirituality (the most Deepak Chopra-like of his books), Becoming
Enlightened, Healing Anger: The Power of Patience from a Buddhist
Perspective, An Open Heart: Practicing Compassion in Everyday Life,
and dozens of others. He does not need your money.
There's nothing wrong with writing nonsensical metaphysical self-help
books, if that's what people want to buy. In fact, this week's news is
the only time I've had a real problem with the guy. And to me, it's a
big problem.
His followers are brutally killing themselves on his behalf, and his
only reaction is "No comment", followed by a lame excuse that he's
retired.
Why does he have no comment? Obviously, because his entire marketing
machine is driven by the perception that China's involvement in Tibet
is an atrocity. Every time a monk lights himself on fire, I guarantee
you that somewhere, the Dalai Lama's cash register's bell rings.
If asked for my comment on the deaths, 30 of them in the last year
alone, I'd say it's horrific and I wish they wouldn't do it, and
whoever is condoning it should be arrested. If I had influence over
them the way the Dalai Lama does, I'd have used the media opportunity
to appeal to all of them to stop doing that. Please. My return to
Potala is not worth your life.
Apparently, the Dalai Lama doesn't see it the way I do. For a
metaphysical self-help guru who wants you to find your inner peace and
happiness, his who-gives-a-shit reaction to his followers killing
themselves is pretty fucked up. Pardon my language, but swear words
are not nearly as atrocious as the Dalai Lama's "no comment". He might
as well have answered "Send me more money, and maybe they won't have
to keep doing that."
RMC = Ruling Monk Class
ORMC = Oppression from RMC
MCFA = Massive Chinese Financial Aid
XPLOS = Extreme Poverty from Lack of Support
RMCLIP = Ruling Monk Class Lives in Palace
ORMC MCFA XPLOS RMCLIP
What Tibet Used to Be: yes no yes yes
(ignored) province
What Tibet is Now" no yes no no
(Chinese Autonomous Region)
What the Dalai Lama Wants: not clear yes not clear yes
(Chinese Special Adminstrative Region like Hong Kong)
What Hollywood wants:
("Free Tibet") yes no yes yes
I've attached this infographic. No, I do not believe that Hollywood
celebrities and all the "Free Tibet" demonstrators want poverty and
oppression in Tibet; but if China's support was all suddenly pulled,
and every single Tibetan became unemployed and was forced to return to
serfdom, that's exactly what would happen, by necessity. Tibet has no
natural resources, no industries, and no economy whatsoever beyond
what China has imported. A free Tibet is a penniless Tibet, which is
why only those who know far less about the situation than the Dalai
Lama are demanding it.
--------
By Daniel Burke
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON (RNS) The Dalai Lama is spending 10 days here leading an
elaborate Buddhist ritual designed to encourage compassion - exactly
the kind of peacenik advocacy we have come to expect from the
76-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner.
But while most of Tibet's 13 previous Dalai Lamas displayed similar
moral scruples, a few weren't quite so peaceable, or even very
monk-like at all.
Catholics may reluctantly recall instances of popes behaving
badly. But Tibetans don't draw bright moral lines between "good" and
"bad" Dalai Lamas, explained Robert Barnett, an expert on the history
of Tibet at Columbia University in New York.
"They are not judgmental about these differences," he said. "All are
considered necessary and valuable." And all are considered
reincarnations of Chenrezig, a kind of Buddhist saint dedicated to
saving others from delusion and suffering.
Just as the Buddha may be depicted as red with anger in one painting
and serene in another, Tibetans expect their lamas - . . .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/dalai-lama_n_896500.html
>
>More from GlobalPost: Tibet self-immolation: Video purports to show
>nun setting herself on fire (GRAPHIC)
>
>http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/130516/hollywood-tibet-code-film
>
>thomaswheat1975
lo yeeOn
May 19, 2013, 1:14:22 AM5/19/13
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In article <65bdd9df-b268-4b57...@qc10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
The Progressive Voice <thomasw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Has Hollywood sold out on Tibet?You'd think the idea of a Hollywood
>studio collaborating with the Chinese government on a Tibet movie
>would not only be radioactive, but also absurd.
>
>http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/130516/hollywood-tibet-code-film
>
> ...
>
>While Tibet remains a passionate cause for many celebrities, their
>power over the studios may be waning.
>
>As Professor Barry Sautman of the Hong Kong University of Science and
>Technology notes:
>
>"It's not to say that there aren't people in Hollywood still committed
>to the Tibetan exiles' cause, for example Richard Gere. But certain
>major studios have to take into account that they want to sell their
>movies in China. So they may not be so willing to immediately jump
>when they're criticized. It's more divorced from political
>conceptions."
The Global Post article's author is either ignorant or disingenuous.
The Progressive Voice <thomasw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Has Hollywood sold out on Tibet?You'd think the idea of a Hollywood
>studio collaborating with the Chinese government on a Tibet movie
>would not only be radioactive, but also absurd.
>
>http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/130516/hollywood-tibet-code-film
>
> ...
>
>While Tibet remains a passionate cause for many celebrities, their
>power over the studios may be waning.
>
>As Professor Barry Sautman of the Hong Kong University of Science and
>Technology notes:
>
>"It's not to say that there aren't people in Hollywood still committed
>to the Tibetan exiles' cause, for example Richard Gere. But certain
>major studios have to take into account that they want to sell their
>movies in China. So they may not be so willing to immediately jump
>when they're criticized. It's more divorced from political
>conceptions."
Hollywood stars never had any power over the studios to begin with.
How can their "power over the studios" be "waning"?
Besides, Richard Gere can only qualify as a Hollywood starlet, at
best. His Hollywood bosses was trying to sell him as an American
"gigolo" when he was somewhat younger. He was no Rock Hudson, Gary
Cooper, Cary Grant, or Jimmy Stewart. Even those real stars from
Hollywood could not influence the studios.
And it is even funnier to expect the film studios to commit suicide
for Da Lama's sake.
The narrative of China being a bad guy in Tibet is just propaganda
from the State Department to begin with. Obviously, the State Dept.
can count on taking money from the American taxpayers. But the film
But even Sautman identifies all these Hollywood "sell-out" hooplas as
a matter of "Tibetan exiles' cause". That's right! While the Free
Tibet crowd and their VOA/RFA mouthpieces are busy advertising the
gruesome stories of self-immolations by nuns, teenagers, and young
mothers, it is an advertisement for a cause that concerns only the 10
And for their selfish cause, they have no compunction about appealing
to the depraved nature of those things they want the world to see.
They want the world to see the depravity of charred bodies placed in
prostration before a full-color, larger-than-life, photo of Da Lama.
They want the world to believe that six millions of Tibetans are a
nothing about living except dying for Da Lama. It is crazy!
Tom Jigme Wheat is no exception in his work for Da Lama. He resorted
to the shock-jock approach to advertising by invoking the "GRAPHIC"
word for those gruesome self-immolation videos. (See the end of his
Tom Jigme Wheat is no exception in his work for Da Lama. He resorted
to the shock-jock approach to advertising by invoking the "GRAPHIC"
post here or elsewhere.)
Naturally, those who are in exile are typically related to the
Tibetans who were the privileged class: monks and landowners. Of
course they are unhappy now. They used to own land and did not have
to work. And Heinrich Harrer in his Seven Years in Tibet described
the women of this ruling class as a bunch of frivolous people who
spent an enormous amount of time everyday trying to making themselves
up and were often entertained by Da Lama's Mama with her sumptuous
40-course dinner.
But these Tibetan exiles are the 10% of all Tibetans! What about the
90% who don't want Da Lama to return? That is where the CCP comes in.
The CCP liberated the Tibetan serfs - millions of them and now it has
to patiently guide them out of their medieval superstitious mindset
into modernity so that they can march forward shoulder to shouder with
course they are unhappy now. They used to own land and did not have
to work. And Heinrich Harrer in his Seven Years in Tibet described
the women of this ruling class as a bunch of frivolous people who
spent an enormous amount of time everyday trying to making themselves
up and were often entertained by Da Lama's Mama with her sumptuous
40-course dinner.
But these Tibetan exiles are the 10% of all Tibetans! What about the
90% who don't want Da Lama to return? That is where the CCP comes in.
The CCP liberated the Tibetan serfs - millions of them and now it has
to patiently guide them out of their medieval superstitious mindset
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