Re: Bush closing Indian health care clinics
Cut off his head! We will call on the people to pull him into pieces so there's nothing left!
> I didn't even know such clinics existed. Apparently many cities have
> clinics to meet the health care needs of injuns who chose to leave the
> reservation and live in a city. I don't see why they should get this
> special treatment - let them use the same clinics other ameicans use.
> Go george.
>
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/03/25/national/a094331S04.DTL
Great suggestion! The Indian reservations are supposedly sovereign
nations, so they should be providing health care to their members.
Big cities contain many groups of foreigners, none of whom receive
special consideration regarding medical treatment. I just patronized
a clinic in San Francisco which caters to Latin-American immigrants,
yet the federal government doesn't pay for their treatment (I
patronized it because it was cheap). If citizens of the sovereign
nation of Mexico aren't entitled to free treatment paid for by the
U.S. federal government, why should Indians be so entitled?
And of course if you want to define Indians as U.S. citizens, why do
they get free health care while the rest of us Americans don't?
Rich Travsky
wrote:
>
> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote...
> > I didn't even know such clinics existed. Apparently many cities have
> > clinics to meet the health care needs of injuns who chose to leave the
> > reservation and live in a city. I don't see why they should get this
> > special treatment - let them use the same clinics other ameicans use.
> > Go george.
> >
> >
> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/03/25/national/a094331S04.DTL
>
> Great suggestion! The Indian reservations are supposedly sovereign
> nations, so they should be providing health care to their members.
Treaty obligations.
Cut off his head! We will call on the people to pull him into pieces so there's nothing left!
> "Cut off his head! We will call on the people to pull him into pieces so there's nothing left!"
> wrote:
>
>>laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote...
>>
>>>I didn't even know such clinics existed. Apparently many cities have
>>>clinics to meet the health care needs of injuns who chose to leave the
>>>reservation and live in a city. I don't see why they should get this
>>>special treatment - let them use the same clinics other ameicans use.
>>>Go george.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/03/25/national/a094331S04.DTL
>>
>>Great suggestion! The Indian reservations are supposedly sovereign
>>nations, so they should be providing health care to their members.
>
>
> Treaty obligations.
Really? I took a college course in Indian anthropology and don't
recall reading about any treaties having to do with health care.
Which treaty are you referring to and did the U.S. government sign
treaties with each and every Indian tribe guaranteeing them free
health care forever?
Floyd L. Davidson
>Rich Travsky wrote...
>> Treaty obligations.
>
>Really? I took a college course in Indian anthropology and don't
>recall reading about any treaties having to do with health care.
>Which treaty are you referring to and did the U.S. government sign
>treaties with each and every Indian tribe guaranteeing them free
>health care forever?
You flunked "Indian Anthropology 101"? Amazing!
However, the course you need to take is "Indian Law 201".
Note the differences: IA 101 is a very simplified introduction
to *Indian* culture, while IL 201 is a higher level course in
one area of the US Code.
Reduced to its most elementary form, US Indian Law removed
ownership of any land with value from Indian hands, and in
return obligated the US to universal health care for all
Indians. Consider it the rent payment, or a long term lease.
The problem is that today the Bush administration is funding the
Indian Health Service at 50% of need. We need to be careful,
because the Indians have a very good case for breech of contract
and might just foreclose and take the land back!
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) fl...@apaflo.com
Four-Way Windowpane
> Reduced to its most elementary form, US Indian Law removed
> ownership of any land with value from Indian hands, and in
> return obligated the US to universal health care for all
> Indians. Consider it the rent payment, or a long term lease.
>
> The problem is that today the Bush administration is funding the
> Indian Health Service at 50% of need. We need to be careful,
> because the Indians have a very good case for breech of contract
> and might just foreclose and take the land back!
Interesting. So now I want to know who actually possesses the
valuable land. I'm guessing most of it was sold cheap to
private companies, so they profit from it while the U.S.
taxpayers pay for the Indians' health care. I seriously doubt
the eternal health care obligation was transferred along with
the title. So let the Indians repossess it from the private
owners, or let the owners provide the health care.
Then again they really have no right to repossess it. One of
the disadvantages of being conquered is you have to do whatever
your conquerer tells you. We've chosen to give them a few
scraps out of guilt, but we were never obligated to give them
anything. As Marilyn Manson says, morality is decided by the
man with the most artillery.
Rich Travsky
>
> "Cut off his head! We will call on the people to pull him into pieces so there's nothing left!" <izla...@insane.com> wrote:
> >Rich Travsky wrote...
> >> Treaty obligations.
> >
> >Really? I took a college course in Indian anthropology and don't
> >recall reading about any treaties having to do with health care.
> >Which treaty are you referring to and did the U.S. government sign
> >treaties with each and every Indian tribe guaranteeing them free
> >health care forever?
>
> You flunked "Indian Anthropology 101"? Amazing!
>
> However, the course you need to take is "Indian Law 201".
Heh.
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Kappler/index.htm
Indian Affairs: Laws and Treaties
Gosh, sure is a lot of them...
Floyd L. Davidson
>"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote:
>>
>> However, the course you need to take is "Indian Law 201".
>
>Heh.
>
> http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Kappler/index.htm
> Indian Affairs: Laws and Treaties
>
>Gosh, sure is a lot of them...
And that web site doesn't even *begin* to indicate the depth of it!
See "Handbook of Federal Indian Law" by Felix S. Cohen, 1941,
the most recent update of which is called "Cohen's Handbook
Federal Indian Law 2005 Edition".
Here is a URL that lists resources for researching Indian Law topics,
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/profiles/stancel/indian.htm
Floyd L. Davidson
>Floyd L. Davidson wrote...
>> Reduced to its most elementary form, US Indian Law removed
>> ownership of any land with value from Indian hands, and in
>> return obligated the US to universal health care for all
>> Indians. Consider it the rent payment, or a long term lease.
>> The problem is that today the Bush administration is funding
>> the
>> Indian Health Service at 50% of need. We need to be careful,
>> because the Indians have a very good case for breech of contract
>> and might just foreclose and take the land back!
>
>Interesting. So now I want to know who actually possesses the
>valuable land. I'm guessing most of it was sold cheap to
>private companies, so they profit from it while the U.S.
>taxpayers pay for the Indians' health care. I seriously doubt
>the eternal health care obligation was transferred along with
>the title. So let the Indians repossess it from the private
>owners, or let the owners provide the health care.
>
>Then again they really have no right to repossess it. One of
>the disadvantages of being conquered is you have to do whatever
>your conquerer tells you.
Ignorance is bliss? There are 200 plus tribes in Alaska, and
not a single one of them was ever "conquered" by the US.
>We've chosen to give them a few
>scraps out of guilt, but we were never obligated to give them
>anything. As Marilyn Manson says, morality is decided by the
>man with the most artillery.
Not exactly a deep bit of philosophy though. But you might
try this one on for size,
"There will be justice in Athens when those who are
not injured are as outraged as those who are."
Demosthenes (Greek from Athens)
I believe that seeking justice is a far higher calling than the
use of artillery...
SanteeAmazonQwn
"brokeback mountain style" on all of the Indigenous people of this
country? If you cut healthcare programs for Indian people, you better
cut all of the Medicare, Medicaid and all other types of public health
programs out of the federal budget too, jerk. Of ANY class of US
citizens it is all American Indians, Alaskan Natives, and Native
Hawaiians that deserve the respect from the US GOVT and all others
living here. The government has never honored the treaties they
negotiated with the sovereign nations and though some benefits were
received, so much of the original way of life was destroyed but the
Indian people are strong and have survived against all odds. The tiny
percentage of Native American people that receive healthcare services
from government funding in comparison to all of the federal and state
programs that assist the "general public" and bleed the economy dry
with this f@cking war effort combined, you want to do away with efforts
to improve the status of health care for this population of people?
It's the least the country can do to show respect and give them the
dignity they deserve appreciation for all lost. That way of life is
gone forever and the government and the people will continue to pay
forever. It's time this country finally honor and make tribute to
American Indians and include their history as part of what we learned
in the public school system because it is all part of American history.
American Indians deserve to have their own federal holiday, change
Columbus Day or Thanksgiving Day to American Indian Repatriation Day.