Re: Something about the Earth sweat lodge
dan...@rocketmail.com
From: jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl>
Date: 26 Feb 2009 12:57:05 GMT
Local: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 6:57 am
Subject: Something about the Earth sweat lodge ...
You need to build an Earth shelter to survive serious nuclear
radiation fall-out, and survive there until the fall-out dissipates
its energy, rule of thumb being 2 weeks and then short periods outside
to clear surface dust into ditches deep enough to keep the contained.
Isn't it amuzing that the Red Indian is accustomed to building Earth
sweat-lodges, and used to sit in its hot and humid interior, while
such a firy end is a quite possible end to the USA. Isn't it amuzing
that precisely the most religious and righteous indians, and their
teachers, are performing the sweat lodge ceremonies.
It is, by the way, possible to measure radiation by building a certain
type of home made radiation meter, in a can using aluminum sheets
(IIRC) and the time they take to dissipate static electricity by being
struck with radiation.
Is the Great Spirit moving his hand to protect the Red Indian, I hope
so. bye.
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If nuclear war wiped out white man's civilization, who would provide
the Red Indian with air-conditioned trailers and microwave chicken
nuggets?
J.H.Boersema
Maybe they need something better: peace & justice, life. Do they get
those too with the trailer and chicken wings, too ? Who would provide
them with that, swamped in idiot-USA culture, partially taken over,
pretty much on the brink of extinction if not already almost gone
? Maybe if all of USA is wiped out, and only a couple of loyal indians
make it in their sweat hole, maybe that's for the better in the end.
But there's an even better scenario: USA idiots all tracing the
roots of peace http://www.jhwh.be (in a way, but in a meaningful way
IMHO). It is saddening to see the lack of support for real justice and
functional law. It is our job, white man, to fix our crazy economy and
get our technology under control. We created all that stuff, the air
conditioned trailors and the machine fabricated chicken nuggets. We
made it, we have to fix it so it works well. It does not work well
at the moment, the income disparity between hard working people is
easy and time tested evidence of a failed system. I say we can do it
(because I think I know how), and we should hurry. Go to my site,
learn economics, get organized, change the world now. I say we need
to give the Red Indian large lands back, too, for them to enjoy for
no reason. If they have a loyal true culture of the great peacemaker,
that should be a great addition to the family of man, a great addition.
I think the Red Indian original culture has everything that the USA
idiot culture is lacking. You need the Red Indian, as much as you
need air to breathe. You need them, therefore it is in our interest
to see them have their lands, and to see true loyal Red Indian values
rule those lands (such as don't lie, be true on your word always,
etc etc, it is all written down by the Red Indians already.)
I wouldn't be too interested in cultural fringe artefacts, or have
the Red Indians all wear bear skins and only ride horses. If they
want to, fine ! If they want cars and so on, why not. Point is their
great peacemaker tradition, law & democracy, and care for nature -
white man is very poor in those areas. I realize the Red Indians had
a lot of war, but they have a lot to teach the white man - and they
where in the stone age, go look up Europe in the stone age and tell
me it was peaceful.
The world should trace the roots of peace, quick. Ahh... shit, what
is the hold up ?!
Any Red Indians here ? Be warned, USA may collapse big time, like
the end of the Roman empire, could be a grand war (don't fight for
that worthless USA state). Everyone I think is credible is warning
about it, from real world economists/whistleblowers to the currently
living prophets of Israel (http://www.dani18.com). Even Hopi prophecy
warns about the end of the failed white man world, which may be coming
soon. 1929: finance crisis, 1930 war. 2009: finance crisis, 2020 war ?
WW3 ? Could be, could be not, I don't know. But we can fix it one
way or the other, so we should.
Nobody moves, then that is a big problem.
We need: free initiative economy. But, that is by no means the whole
story of economics. Trust me, we white man know it is wrong, by
experience. We need free initiative economy, but the money investment
must be under council direction only (and vetted good causes under
temporary permit). The land must not be sold. The land for economic
use must be distributed to all, without a right to sell ownership.
Only a right to temporarily sell use to another. The councils must
truly reflect the will of the people, and this way the money is kept
in line. When a company becomes a little bigger, more then 10 persons
say, and the original starter/entrepreneur leaves, the ownership of
the company must not leave that company. It is important that when you
make something, you own it, and then you can sell it. But this is also
true for people in the company: they are not cattle, they are people.
They must own themselves to own the things they make or the services
they provide. If they own themselves, they can sell their work under
their own power, and hire a boss if they want one, while they maintain
power of that boss. The power to fire the boss. The original starter
has created the company, true, but he was eventually not alone. Without
help, his company would have been nothing. But in thanks I say: the
starter can be given a share out of future profits, and this keeps
the original starter motivated as a sideline helper and advisor. He/she
after all has an interest in seeing the company survive, so he/she will
have his/her share of profit.
Never forget to put self-interest ahead of the cart of common interest
where possible, I guess, that way everyone can benefit.
This is not a secondary amuzing little game to be played within the
existing system. This means USA will be gone, Congress may be converted
into a basketball pitch, and the Dollar will be toilet paper. The
Dollar might end up toilet paper anyway, at least that was what
www.dani18.com predicted (which we can henceforth verify if it happens).
dan...@rocketmail.com
> I think the Red Indian original culture has everything that the USA
> idiot culture is lacking. You need the Red Indian, as much as you
> need air to breathe. You need them, therefore it is in our interest
> to see them have their lands, and to see true loyal Red Indian values
> rule those lands (such as don't lie, be true on your word always,
> etc etc, it is all written down by the Red Indians already.)
Red Indians haven't really written much down, since their culture
relied on oral histories before white man introduced writing to them.
And their oral histories aren't very accurate and seem to gloss over
unpleasant things like war, and most of what is known about their
history comes from white archeologists.
I also notice that Native Americans have a tendency to complain about
their state of poverty, with poverty defined as the lack of white
man's money and material possessions such as automobiles,
refrigerators, plasma televisions, and so on. I resent having my
people condemned for destroying Native culture, while the same Natives
complain about not having enough access to my people's money and
technology.
While my people may have abused Native Americans in the past, today
they are free to live as they choose, and they seem to have chosen to
reject their stone age hunting-gathering culture in favor of white
man's space age culture.
J.H.Boersema
You simply can't be a hunter-gatherer without adequate access to raw
nature. Hunter-gathering requires large amounts of wild nature.
I'm not familiar enough with surviving Red Indians to know how far
they've Americanized, but it wouldn't surprise me if well over 90%
is just as materialistic as the average Americans of any other color
(of course there are always a few exceptions, at least in theory).
The last generation that still knows a bit about the positive sides
of Red Indian culture is probably dying out now.
It will probably be very good for the USA to experience extreme
social and economic collapse, mass starvation and extreme depravation.
You've been living off war for far too long, it is time for America to
collapse IMHO. To collapse like the USA has collapsed other countries,
destroyed other democracies, trained torturers and tortured herself.
The USA must die, simple as that, the sooner the better. I'm giving
you one way out: http://www.jhwh.be, take it or leave it, both fine
with me; I don't care. USA has a lot of evil to pay for. You can pay
for it by way of punishment (aka learning from negative results),
or you can pay for it by way of doing better (aka "repenting" before
the shit hits the fan - in theory preferred). My guess is: you don't
want to do better, so you'll choose the destruction instead. More
"exciting" I guess. Butt stupid if you ask me, not that Europe is
doing better though (or any other country for that matter).
Maybe I'm not enough of a smooth talker to stroke the egos of people.
madlovesblue
Can't you start another group rather than bash native culture on this
forum? Pardon me, but it seems that you have no knowledge of native
culture, and that your only experience with natives consists of a non-
experience in which you passed by a reservation, and posted your
(poor) observations here. Maybe you should go ask one of those white
guy archaeologists you referred to earlier about native anthropology
prior to posting here.