Hispanic inventions
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
rival those of the Anglos. Things we all take for granted like the telephone,
microwave oven and computer would not be here if nor for the Anglos and their
genius. I would like to know of any significant Hispanic inventions. Here are
the stories of Anglo inventions:
telephone
Alexander Graham Bell, a Scotsman who came to the United States in 1871,
invented the telephone.
generating electricity
In the early 1830's, the English scientist Michael Faraday and the American
physicist Joseph Henry independently discovered that moving a magnet near a
coil of wire produced an electric current in the wire. Further experiments
showed that electrical effects occur any time a magnetic field changes. Audio
and videotape recording, computer disks, and electric generators are based on
this principle.
Gasoline engine:
Early internal-combustion engines used gases instead of gasoline as fuel. The
Reverend W. Cecil read a paper before the Cambridge Philosophical Society in
England, in 1820, describing experiments with an engine driven by the explosion
of a mixture of hydrogen and air. It is believed to be the earliest working gas
engine.
Another English inventor, William Barnett, in 1838 patented a gas engine which
compressed the fuel mixture.
Air-Conditioning
About 1838, David B. Reid, an English scientist, provided the British House of
Commons with a system to ventilate and humidify the air. In the mid-1800's,
John Gorrie, an American, invented a cold-air machine to cool hospital rooms.
During the late 1800's, textile manufacturers in New England began using sprays
of water to condition the air in their mills. In 1897, Joseph McCreery of
Toledo, Ohio, received a patent for the type of spray now used in air
conditioners.
By 1902, Alfred R. Wolff, a consulting engineer, had designed air-cooling
systems for Carnegie Hall and several other buildings in New York City. That
same year, Willis H. Carrier, a research engineer, designed the first
scientific system to clean, circulate, and control the temperature and humidity
of air.
In 1906, Stuart W. Cramer, a textile engineer from Charlotte, N.C., used the
term air conditioning for the first time. Air conditioning became a recognized
branch of engineering in 1911.
xerox machine
The process was invented by the American physicist and patent attorney Chester
F. Carlson in 1937 and first commercially developed in 1950.
Airplane
In 1804, Sir George Cayley, a British inventor, built the first successful
glider.
Powered flight. In 1843, William S. Henson, a British inventor, patented plans
for the first plane with an engine, propellers, and a fixed wing. About the
same time, the inventor Hiram Maxim—an American who had become a British
citizen—built a huge steam-powered flying machine.
During the 1890's, Samuel P. Langley, an American scientist, built a
steam-powered model airplane. Langley called his plane an aerodrome. In 1896,
it flew more than 1/2 mile (0.8 kilometer) in about 11/2 minutes.
steam power
Watt, James (1736-1819), was a Scottish engineer whose improved engine design
first made steam power practicable.
Automobile
The first instance of a vehicle being powered by gas may not have occured until
the early to mid-1820's. A claim exists that and English mechanical engineer
named Samuel Brown drove a self-powered vehicle in London. Brown's engine
apparently had separate combustion and working cylinders and used hydrogen gas
as fuel.
The Americans were not sitting idly by while the Europeans developed their
automobiles. In fact, while Daimler and Benz both claim the invention of the
automobile, their claim is disputed by American backers of George Baldwin
Selden (1846-1922). Seldon received US Patent 549,160, granted to him as the
inventor of the automobile. Selden filed his patent claim on May 8, 1879,
several years before Daimler or Benz exhibited their automobiles.
refrigeration
The first known artificial devices were developed in SCOTLAND. In 1758, William
Cullen evaporated ethyl ether in a partial vacuum, obtaining a small amount of
ice. In 1777, Gerald Nairne accelerated Cullen's process by using sulfuric acid
to absorb the water. In 1805, the AMERICAN inventor Oliver Evans (1755-1819)
designed a compressor-ether refrigeration machine with a closed cycle; however,
the Evans machines never advanced beyond the prototype stage.
Two early refrigeration machinese were patented in 1834. Jacob Perkins
(1766-1849), a Massachusetts (AMERICAN) inventor living in London, England,
designed a compression machine with a closed cycle that used ether as the
refrigerant. LW Wright patented an ice-making machine that used an air
compression process. In 1844, Florida doctor John Gorrie (1803-1855), in the
mistaken belief that malaria was caused by hot, humid air,designed a compressed
air refrigeratiung machine - an air cinditioner and ice maker, to cure his
patients. Gorrie patented his ice-making machines in 1851, but the idea was
ridiculed by New York newspapers.
James Harrison, an immigrant from Glasgow, SCOTLAND, improved the Perkins
ether-compression system and installed the worl'd first commercial
refrigerating machinery in an Autralian brewery in 1851. Harrison and fellow
BRITISH immigrant Tomas Mort later attempted to ship frozen beef to England
from Australia.
Blacktop
In the early 1800's, the person who did more for European roadbuilding than
anyone else up to that time was John Loudon McAdam, a Scottish engineer. McAdam
is remembered for the surface he developed for roads. This kind of surface,
called macadam, is still used today.
plastics
One of the first plastics was developed to take the place of a material in
short suppply. In 1836, the Phelan and Collender company, makers of ivory
billiard balls, sponsored a contest with a $1,000 prize for the inventor of
synthetic ivory. John Wesley Hyatt (Anglo) and his brother set out to win the
prize. Building on the research of Parkes and Schonbein they formed celluloid
out of colloidian in 1875. Although they did not win the prize, the Hyatt
brothers founded a company and successfully marketed celluloid.
Around 1907, Frederic Stanley Kipping, a British chemist, prepared the
first silicone in an attempt to produce double -bonded silicon in an attempt to
produce double-bonded silicon compounds from simple carbon compounds. Nearly 40
years after Kipping's research, Rochow discovered the methods for obtaining
silicones rapidly.
Wallace Carothers, an AMERICAN chemsit conducting reaearch at DuPont,
confiremd Staudinger's view of polymers and distinguished between addition and
condensation reactions. Carothers went on to develop nylon in 1938. His
research group also developed cold drawing - a technique that straightened the
polymer chains and greatly increased the strength.
Dickson and John Rex Whinfield, British chemists, picked up the research
where Carothers left off and went on to develop polyesters in 1941. Polyesters
also benefit from cold drawing.
C compter programming language
Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie develop the C programming language. (C
becomes perhaps the most popular language for professional software
development, and is the basis for the C++ object-oriented extensions ten years
later.) [176.121] [865.48] (1974 [9]) (1975 [132])
cell phone
Individual Inventors & Mobile Phone Patents
Dr. Martin Cooper for Motorola.
US03906166
09/16/1975
Radio telephone system
Inventors: Martin Cooper, Richard W. Dronsuth, ; Albert J. Mikulski, Charles N.
Lynk Jr., James J. Mikulski, John F. Mitchell, Roy A. Richardson, John H.
Sangster
Dr Martin Cooper, a former general manager for the systems division at
Motorola, is considered the inventor of the first modern portable handset.
Cooper made the first call on a portable cell phone in April 1973. He made the
call to his rival, Joel Engel, Bell Labs head of research.
cement
In 1758 John Smeaton (ENGLISH) rebuilt the Eddystone lighthouse in England. It
had originally been built from rock quarried at Portland. After much
experimentation, Smeaton developed a hydraulic cement to seal the lighthouse
from the rough conditions of the English Channel.
In 1824 Joseph Aspdin (1799-1855) patented Portland cement, named for the
gray Portland limestone - such as that used in the Eddystone lighthouse - that
is resembled. It was developed mainly in response to the growth of canal
systems in Europe and, especially, in the United States. Portland cement has
become the most widley used construction material in the world.
chip
The first computer chips were patented in 1959 by two Americans—Jack Kilby,
an engineer, and Robert Noyce, a physicist—who worked independently. During
the 1960's, scientists developed chips for guided missiles and satellites.
Engineers soon began to build smaller and faster computers by using chips in
place of conventional circuits. The first microprocessors were produced in 1971
for use in desktop calculators.
chronometer
Self-taught carpenter John Harrison (Britsh) invented a chronometer that was
successfully employed on a voyage to Lisbon in 1727. The English Board of
Longitude did not give Harrison the recognition due him, however, until he
developed his fourth chronometer, which proved to be accurate to within 5
seconds on a voyage to Jamaica in 1761.
Color Television
In the early years of television, all broadcasts were in black and white. It
was not until the late 1950's that a viable color system was approved, and not
until after a bitter battle between the two largest television companies, RCA
and the Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS).
RCA offered a color system designed by Ernest Alexanderson; this design was not
as clear as the one developed by CBS, but it was compatible with black and
white sets. The FCC eventually chose to make the RCA color system the industry
standard in 1954.
computer
In 1945, two engineers at the University of Pennsylvania, J. Presper Eckert,
Jr., and John William Mauchly, completed one of the earliest general-purpose
electronic digital computers.
transistor
1947, December 23
Three scientists at Bell Telephone Laboratories, William Shockley, Walter
Brattain, and John Bardeen demonstrate their new invention of the point-contact
transistor amplifier. The name transistor is short for "transfer resistance".
elevator
In the early 1850's, Elisha G. Otis of Yonkers, N.Y., invented the first
elevator that had an
fax machine
Scottish physicist Alexander Bain patented the first facsimile device in 1843.
The device generated electrical impulses by passing a metal rod over a page
that contained raised metal letters. The electrical signal traveled along a
wire to a receiving machine, which printed the signal on electrochemical
recording paper. Bain's system relied on pendulums to synchronize the sending
and receiving machines.
Ships of iron.
During the late 1700's, British shipbuilders had begun to construct iron
vessels, partly because good wood for ships was becoming scarce in the United
Kingdom.
The United Kingdom led the world in the development of iron seagoing ships. In
1821, it launched the Aaron Manby, probably the first all-iron steamship. The
United Kingdom's most gifted naval architect of the mid-1800's was Isambard
Kingdom Brunel.
jet airplane
Whittle, Sir Frank (1907-1996), became one of the leading pioneers in the
development of the turbojet engine. His company, Powerjets, Limited, produced
the Whittle engine, which powered Britain's first jet plane in 1941. It became
the model for the first U.S. turbojets.
MICROWAVE OVEN
The Microwave oven was an offshoot of technology perfected during WWII. In
1945, the Raytheon Manufacturing Company was experimenting with a magnetron (a
tube that generates extremely short radio waves), trying to improve the
efficiency of military radar. A technician at Raytheon, Percy Spencer (English
name), was standing very close to the magnetron as it operated. After a few
minutes, Spencer noted that a candy bar in his pocket had melted, even though
he had not felt any heat. While this effect had been noted before, it was
Spencer (only a German or British person would have reacted this way) who first
began to wonder about domestic applications of such a device. Ten years later,
the "radar range" became available to consumers
steel
The first alloy was developed by the ENGLISH physicist Michael Faraday in
the 1830's. His experimentation in the area of electromagnetic induction and
electrolysis resulted in an iron-chromium alloy. In 1833, ENGLISH mettalurgist
Sir Robert Hadfield invented manganese steel at his father's steelmaking firm.
Manganese gave the steel strength and resistance to wear. He also invented
silicon steel and other alloy steels. Hadfield erroneously assumed that
chromium impaired corrosion resisatnce, otherwise he might have discovered
stainless steel.
An AMERICAN, Elwood Haynes (1857-1925), developed several alloy steels. In
1881, he invented tungsten chrome steel which retains its strength at high
temperatures. A chromium/nickel alloy followed in 1897, in 1900 he introduced
one of cobalt/chromium; and in 1911 came stainless steel.
Building on Haynes' work, other scientists developed stainless steels.
GERMAN scientists P Monnartz and W Borchers were among the first to realize the
usefulness of stainless steels. However, the ENGLISH metallurgist, Harry
Brearly, receives the most credit for developing stainless steel. He accidently
discovered that nickel-chromium steel made a good anti-corrosion alloy when he
found a sample of it among a pile of discarded experimental scraps with its
shine still intact. In 1912, Brearly proposed that the new alloy be used for
naval guns. By 1914, he had proved its usefulness as a material for cutlery and
obtained an American patent on it in 1915.
telegraph
However, the technology did not take hold until an American painter and
sculptor named Samuel F. B. Morse convinced the United States government to
fund a telegraph line between Washington, D.C., and Baltimore, Maryland, in
1843. Morse also invented a system of dots and dashes—the code that now bears
his name—to help standardize transmissions by wire.
MRI
It took almost five hours to produce one image. The images were, by today's
standards, quite ugly. Dr. Raymond Damadian, a physician and scientist, along
with colleagues Dr. Larry Minkoff and Dr. Michael Goldsmith
oil refining
In the mid-1800's, Abraham Gesner (1797-1864), a CANADIAN doctor, first
obtained kerosene by distilling asphalt rock. Around the same time, BRITISH
scientist James Young (1811-1883) distilled kerosene from oil and shale.
Kerosene soon became the most popular fuel for oil lamps, and refineries began
to produce it in large amounts. The gasoline fraction, which no one had any use
for, was dumped into rivers and springs as unwanted by-product.
Optics
Sir Isaac Newton (British) - explained the reflection and refraction of light.
the chief architect of the theory that light was a stream of particles that
were emmitted by a light source
Thomas Young (British) - in 1803, showed that light beams can interfere with
one another, giving support to the wave theory
James Clerk Maxwell (British) - in 1865, theorized correctly that
electromagnetic waves travel with the speed of light. The most important
development concerning the theory of light was the work of Maxwell, who in 1873
predicted that light was a form of high-frequency electromagnetic wave.His
theory predicted that these waves should have the speed of about 3 X 10^8 m/s.
Within experimental error, this value is equal to the speed of light. Hertz
provided experimental confirmation of Maxwell's theory in 1887.
penicillin
The antagonistic effect of penicillin on bacteria was first observed by the
Scottish biologist Sir Alexander Fleming in 1928.
photography
In 1839, a British inventor named William H. Fox Talbot announced his
invention of light-sensitive paper. This paper produced a negative from which
positive prints could be made.
Radiocarbon dating
A process used to determine the age of an ancient object by measuring its
radiocarbon content. This technique was developed in the late 1940's by Willard
F. Libby, an American chemist. Archaeologists and geologists have used it
extensively.
nuclear submarine
Rickover, Hyman George (1900-1986), an American naval officer, pioneered in
developing the U.S.S. Nautilus, the first nuclear-powered submarine.
making rubber
Manufacturers like Thomas Hancock in England sliced up the bottles to make
rubber novelties like shoe lasts, tobacco pouches, and rings that were used as
garters and wristbands. Experimenteres soon found that the hardened gum could
be dissolved into turpentine and then reshaped. Cloth soaked in the liquid
became waterproof, but it also smelled like turpentine. Hancock and Charles
McIntosh (both BRITISH) solved that problem in the early 1820's by dissolving
rubber in naphtha instead. Hancock also designed commercially successful rubber
manufacturing machines.
A great craze for India-rubber products ensued, both in England and the USA.
Five hundered pairs of rubber boots were imported to Boston, Massachusetts, in
1823. In England, McIntosh began producing rubber-lined waterproof coats.
Hancock developed rubber tubing, from which he cut rubber bands and hoses. But
natural rubber's most serious flaw soon showed itself: it is unstable in
varying temperatures. People soon discoved that their shoes became stiff and
brittle in cold weather, and that in the heat, their raincoats dissolved into a
stinking, gummy mess that had to be disposed of by burial.
In 1839, Charles Goodyear, an ANGLO-AMERICAN inventor who had devoted
himself to improving the usefulness of rubber, discovered the answer. Goodyear,
with absolutely no knowledge of chemistry, had spent 5 years mixing crude gum
elastic with every possible substance, with the idea that sooner or later
something would work. He had no success with salt, sugar, castor oil, ink, soap
or even cottage cheese. Magnesia, quick-lime and nitric acid all seemed
promising for a time, but failed. Goodyear then experimented with Nathaniel
Hayward's (BRITISH ethnicity) process of mixing rubber with sulphur. While
doing so, Goodyear had a famous accident; he spilled some of his
rubber-sulphur compound on a hot stove and was amazed to find that instead of
melting, as natural rubber would have, it "charred like leather" and lost its
stickiness. Goodyear noticed a tiny line of perfectly cured rubber on the edge
of the piece. Further tests revealed that the cured rubber remained flexible
even when left outdoors overnight in the intense cold.
SEXTANT
The quadrant was the immediate predecessor to the sextant. It was invented
simultaneously by Englishman John Hadley (1682-1744) and American Thomas
Godfrey (1704-1749).
Hadley was an instrument maker and a friend of astronomer Edmond Halley
(1656-1742). His was a double-reflecting quadrant, with a 90 degree arc. At the
suggestion of Captain John Campbell, Hadley extended the arc to 120 degrees.
From then on, it was referred to as a sextant. Hadley also added a spirit level
for readings in foggy conditions.
turbine
Parsons, Sir Charles (1854-1931), a British engineer, invented the
steam-turbine engine and built the first turbine-powered steamship, Turbinia,
in 1897. His other inventions included a steam-powered helicopter, a
steam-powered airplane, and nonskid chains for automobile tires. He also made
many improvements in the processes for manufacturing optical glass.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Ray S. Elizondo
EDISON WAS A HALF HISPANIC AND HE INVENTED AMONG OTHER THINGS THE TELEPHONE,
HIS SECOND NAME WAS "ALBA" FROM SPANISH DESCENT. I COULD GO ON AN ON BUT YOU
ARE TOO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND.
JUST GO TO A LIBRARY AND READ.
"Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> same time, the inventor Hiram Maxim-an American who had become a British
> citizen-built a huge steam-powered flying machine.
> The first computer chips were patented in 1959 by two Americans-Jack
Kilby,
> an engineer, and Robert Noyce, a physicist-who worked independently.
> 1843. Morse also invented a system of dots and dashes-the code that now
bears
> his name-to help standardize transmissions by wire.
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<WELL, THE COLOR TELEVISION WAS INVENTED IN MEXICO>>
BULL!
<<AND THOMAS ALBA EDISON WAS A HALF HISPANICK>>
BULL! Where did you hear that crap from? Don't you Hispanicks have enough
heroes of your own without trying to claim Anglos as "Hispanick" like you also
do with Walt Disney, who has 0% Hispanick in him.
<< I COULD GO ON AN ON BUT YOU
ARE TOO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND.
JUST GO TO A LIBRARY AND READ.>>
please go on and on. Please provide a list of inventions by Hispanicks as I did
with Anglos.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
countries are rich and Hispanick countries are poor. It has nothing to do with
"USA interference" in Latin America that has kep you people down as you so
often like to claim. You people weren't able to invent jack shit. Anglos were
able to invent marvelous things that they were then able to sell on the world
stage. They whipped you Hispanicks in every conceivable way. I am sick and
tired of you leeches blaimng the USA/"Anglos" for keeping you people down. You
people have rendered unlivabe every goddamned society you ever settled. Yet you
people go running around the world waving your little flags and trying to force
your loser language and culture on everyone as if you think you are so great
and as if it is your Manifest Destiny to bring "prosperity" to the rest of the
world as you people have done with latin America.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Poop Dogg
<20030816215158...@mb-m05.aol.com>...
>I was wondering of any Hispanics here know of any Hispanic inventions that
>rival those of the Anglos. Things we all take for granted like the telephone,
>microwave oven and computer would not be here if nor for the Anglos and their
>genius. I would like to know of any significant Hispanic inventions. Here are
>the stories of Anglo inventions:
Well, the Mexicans invented some of the most advanced methods of
embezzlement, money-laundering, and election-rigging.
David Eduardo
"Poop Dogg" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Actually, most of the electioneering chicanery was copied from South Texas
politics, particularly from Lyndon Johnson's first senate campaign. "Vote
early and often."
Criticizing blindly Mexican politics from the country that gave us Boss
Tweed and the Daly Machine, to name a couple, is being short-sighted.
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
most useful to society. The most significant. Then we will comopare with them
with Anglo inventions. Just to get a grip on the justification for Hispanicks
believing Spanish should be the world's common language. To have your language
recognized by others in the world, the world has to perceive you as have done
good things for the world. And since you Hispanicks are adamant that Spanish
should be the world's common language, I want to know the things Hispanicks
have done to make this world a beter place for all.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Poop Dogg
>"Poop Dogg" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message...
>> Well, the Mexicans invented some of the most advanced methods of
>> embezzlement, money-laundering, and election-rigging.
>
>Actually, most of the electioneering chicanery was copied from South Texas
>politics, particularly from Lyndon Johnson's first senate campaign. "Vote
>early and often."
>
>Criticizing blindly Mexican politics from the country that gave us Boss
>Tweed and the Daly Machine, to name a couple, is being short-sighted.
I live in South Texas and I always presumed they got the corruption
from Mexico (actually, the corruption has been inherited from the
Spanish system). Just a year or two ago we had a scandal in which
the father and brother of the local DA were involved in getting
charges reduced or dismissed in exchange for bribes. The DA
himself was never implicated and they reelected him with a good
majority.
Prior to about 1980 we did not have a democratic government.
Rather we had what is called the "patrón" system. The mayor was
the patrón and he controlled everything. The Spanish have an
old saying "lamiendo el culo del patrón" (licking the boss's ass).
To get a job in Laredo you had to go to the mayor's office and
lick his ass. The entire city was corrupt to the core, as bad
as any PRI-controlled city in Mexico. 20% of the roads were
paved, no garbage collection, etc. Audits showed huge
discrepancies in public expenditures. One audit showed some
900 brand new radiators being installed in a year for a city
fleet of 20-30 cars. Another audit showed a similar use of
car batteries. A history teacher told me about elections in
the old days. He cited one election where 2 guys worked for
a company and were told who to vote for. They voted their
conscience instead and the next day they were the only 2
people fired - the ballots weren't secret at all!
But unlike Mexico, the city cleaned up its act. It finally
installed a normal democratic city council. Laredo now
resembles just about any typical American city. The feds
watch the region carefully and move in when evidence of
corruption is seen.
H. Reader
"Ray S. Elizondo" <eliz...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> WELL, THE COLOR TELEVISION WAS INVENTED IN MEXICO, AND THOMAS ALBA
> EDISON WAS A HALF HISPANIC
Nonsense. He was Thomas *Alva* Edison and had no hispanic
blood whatsoever. Where do you come up with such nonsense.
>AND HE INVENTED AMONG OTHER THINGS THE TELEPHONE,
> HIS SECOND NAME WAS "ALBA" FROM SPANISH DESCENT. I COULD GO ON AN ON BUT
YOU
> ARE TOO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND.
> JUST GO TO A LIBRARY AND READ.
Hilarious.
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <radio...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Poop Dogg" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:6bCdnaq0s-i...@bravo.net...
> > "Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana" wrote in message
> > <20030816215158...@mb-m05.aol.com>...
> > >I was wondering of any Hispanics here know of any Hispanic inventions
> that
> > >rival those of the Anglos. Things we all take for granted like the
> telephone,
> > >microwave oven and computer would not be here if nor for the Anglos and
> their
> > >genius. I would like to know of any significant Hispanic inventions.
> Here are
> > >the stories of Anglo inventions:
> >
> > Well, the Mexicans invented some of the most advanced methods of
> > embezzlement, money-laundering, and election-rigging.
>
> Actually, most of the electioneering chicanery was copied from South Texas
> politics, particularly from Lyndon Johnson's first senate campaign. "Vote
> early and often."
Nice try. But the Mexicans have been rigging elections and running
a political shithole since 1822. And vote early and often originated
in Chicago.
> Criticizing blindly Mexican politics from the country that gave us Boss
> Tweed and the Daly Machine, to name a couple, is being short-sighted.
What bullshit. In this country, corruption is prosecuted. In
Mexico, it's routine and rewarded.
David Eduardo
"H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "David Eduardo" <radio...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:GwR%a.283$eT5.57...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > Actually, most of the electioneering chicanery was copied from South
Texas
> > politics, particularly from Lyndon Johnson's first senate campaign.
"Vote
> > early and often."
>
> Nice try. But the Mexicans have been rigging elections and running
> a political shithole since 1822.
The current round started after the return to "constitutional government"
after the Revolution, in around 1918.
> And vote early and often originated
> in Chicago.
My, you are picky. Did I say differently? I simply used the phrase as
illustration of a point, not in attribution.
> > Criticizing blindly Mexican politics from the country that gave us Boss
> > Tweed and the Daly Machine, to name a couple, is being short-sighted.
>
> What bullshit. In this country, corruption is prosecuted. In
> Mexico, it's routine and rewarded.
Riiiiight. I'm waiting to see how many politicians and civil servants who
participated in the Enron affair take a fall. Start counting now.
Raul
> Senyor Elizondo says:
> <<WELL, THE COLOR TELEVISION WAS INVENTED IN MEXICO>>
>
> BULL!
Read it and weep Tutsi POP.
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/M/htmlM/mexico/mexico.htm
Tau lou allelo, Leucocito Ninfomano
Raul
> news:GwR%a.283$eT5.57...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> What bullshit. In this country, corruption is prosecuted. In
> Mexico, it's routine and rewarded.
One of the things that I could never figure out is how is it possible
that in such a "Great Country" as United States of America , soo full
of soo legal and honest people can have such an easy access to drugs
and pirated goods.
Of course you would find those south or north of the US'ian borders,
but inside?, never!, How is it possible that those evil mexican, south
american, asian and eastern europeans drug dealers can roam so easily
across the country. Are they smarter than than anglo cops?, well,
maybe. Is the only explanation I can find.
Have a nice day, Mr. Reader
Raul
> I was wondering of any Hispanics here know of any Hispanic inventions that
> rival those of the Anglos. Things we all take for granted like the telephone,
> microwave oven and computer would not be here if nor for the Anglos and their
> genius. I would like to know of any significant Hispanic inventions. Here are
> the stories of Anglo inventions:
Here are just a few Mr. Tutsi POP
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/asgstc/mxx_stc.htm
H. Reader
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> "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> > "David Eduardo" <radio...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > What bullshit. In this country, corruption is prosecuted. In
> > Mexico, it's routine and rewarded.
>
> One of the things that I could never figure out is how is it possible
> that in such a "Great Country" as United States of America , soo full
> of soo legal and honest people can have such an easy access to drugs
> and pirated goods.
I'm not familiar with that. Are you?
> Of course you would find those south or north of the US'ian borders,
> but inside?, never!, How is it possible that those evil mexican, south
> american, asian and eastern europeans drug dealers can roam so easily
> across the country. Are they smarter than than anglo cops?, well,
> maybe. Is the only explanation I can find.
I suggest you contact the American authorities if you
have some information about criminal activities.
> Have a nice day, Mr. Reader
Thanks. I usually do.
Ed Norton
"Ray S. Elizondo" <eliz...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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EDISON WAS A HALF HISPANIC AND HE INVENTED AMONG OTHER THINGS THE TELEPHONE,
HIS SECOND NAME WAS "ALBA" FROM SPANISH DESCENT. I COULD GO ON AN ON BUT YOU
ARE TOO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND.
JUST GO TO A LIBRARY AND READ.
Thomas Alva Edison, inventor of the phonograph, the incandescent light bulb,
and many other devices that make our lives fuller and simpler, was born in
Milan, Ohio, in 1847.
Ray S. Elizondo
one of his parents was from Spanish descent, there are thousands of US
inventors that were born in the US but their ancestors came from Germany,
France, Italy, etc. you were born in the US but your ancestors came from
another country in the world. Only the Indians in the US are the only true
"Americans" every body else is a descendent of immigrants.
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Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<Only the Indians in the US are the only true
"Americans" every body else is a descendent of immigrants.>>
Where do you think the Indians came from, Senyor? Hint: Bering Strait.
Why do you refuse to recognize that peopels have migrated all througout
history? Migration is natural. Sneaking into other societies created by others
is not natural migration.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<there are thousands of US
inventors that were born in the US but their ancestors came from Germany,
France, Italy>>
And I listed only Anglo-American inventions.
You Hispanicks love to claim Bernardo Houssey and Carlos Finlay as great
Hispanick inventors.
You also like to claim Black Dominicans as evidence of what great atletes
"Hispanicks" are.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
H. Reader
> I am not arguing where he was born, I am not questioning his nationality,
He was an American.
> one of his parents was from Spanish descent,
Untrue.
> there are thousands of US
> inventors that were born in the US but their ancestors came from Germany,
> France, Italy, etc.
And those inventors are known as *Americans."
> you were born in the US but your ancestors came from
> another country in the world.
Relevance?
> Only the Indians in the US are the only true
> "Americans"
Nonsense.
> every body else is a descendent of immigrants.
The entire American nation, including the American Indians,
are descended from immigrants. For that matter, the people
of every nation in the world are descended from immigrants.
You're one cofused Mexican, aren't you.
eli...@free.fr
Nacimiento y primeras vicisitudes. Inventor fecundo en diversas ramas de la
técnica. N. en Milan (Ohio, EE. UU.) el 11 feb. 1847, de familia muy
humilde, originaria de Holanda por su padre y de Escocia por su madre; sus
abuelos habÃan emigrado por razones polÃticas. E. recibió instrucción
primaria de su madre, antigua institutriz; mostró desde su infancia gran
desenvoltura aunque primeramente escasa predisposición para los estudios. A
los 12 años, para poder ayudar a su familia, se dedicó a la venta ambulante
de periódicos en la lÃnea férrea de Port Huron (Michigan), donde residÃa, a
Detroit, en viaje gratuito en el furgón del tren, a la vez que admitÃa
encargos como recadero. Mostró posteriormente curiosidad por la FÃsica y la
QuÃmica, si bien no llegó a adquirir conocimientos fundamentales; menor era
su afición por las Matemáticas. Eran sobresalientes sus dotes de inventiva,
laboriosidad y perseverancia, que fueron las caracterÃsticas propias de
toda su carrera. Sufrió adversidades en sus diferentes empleos, en los que
no fue tenido como modelo de funcionario debido a sus constantes
distracciones y preocupaciones inventivas.
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 04:29:50 GMT, Ray S. Elizondo <eliz...@prodigy.net>
wrote:
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Juan Cortina
> "Raul" <ral...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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>
> > > What bullshit. In this country, corruption is prosecuted. In
> > > Mexico, it's routine and rewarded.
> >
> > One of the things that I could never figure out is how is it possible
> > that in such a "Great Country" as United States of America , soo full
> > of soo legal and honest people can have such an easy access to drugs
> > and pirated goods.
>
> I'm not familiar with that. Are you?
You aren't familiar with the US' illegal drug problem? You aren't
aware that marihuana is consistently the US' top cash crop? You're not
aware of what's going on right under your nose, yet you presume to
have knowledge about Mexico. To use your favorite adjective:
hilarious!
>
> > Of course you would find those south or north of the US'ian borders,
> > but inside?, never!, How is it possible that those evil mexican, south
> > american, asian and eastern europeans drug dealers can roam so easily
> > across the country. Are they smarter than than anglo cops?, well,
> > maybe. Is the only explanation I can find.
>
> I suggest you contact the American authorities if you
> have some information about criminal activities.
>
Likewise, I suggest you contact the Mexican authorities if you have
some information about criminal activities within Mexico. Furthermore,
I suggest you contact your "incorruptible" American authorities if you
have some information about "criminal" activities in the US, e.g.
"illegal aliens". Of course, an "illegal" immigration problem as the
one described by the US media and people like you, simply isn't
possible in a country as "incorruptible" as the US. Right boy?
H. Reader
"Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
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> "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> > "Raul" <ral...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> > > "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> > > > "David Eduardo" <radio...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:GwR%a.283$eT5.57...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > > > What bullshit. In this country, corruption is prosecuted. In
> > > > Mexico, it's routine and rewarded.
> > >
> > > One of the things that I could never figure out is how is it possible
> > > that in such a "Great Country" as United States of America , soo full
> > > of soo legal and honest people can have such an easy access to drugs
> > > and pirated goods.
> >
> > I'm not familiar with that. Are you?
>
> You aren't familiar with the US' illegal drug problem? You aren't
> aware that marihuana is consistently the US' top cash crop? You're not
> aware of what's going on right under your nose, yet you presume to
> have knowledge about Mexico. To use your favorite adjective:
> hilarious!
I study Mexico and Mexicans, not drugs or "pirated goods."
> > > Of course you would find those south or north of the US'ian borders,
> > > but inside?, never!, How is it possible that those evil mexican, south
> > > american, asian and eastern europeans drug dealers can roam so easily
> > > across the country. Are they smarter than than anglo cops?, well,
> > > maybe. Is the only explanation I can find.
> >
> > I suggest you contact the American authorities if you
> > have some information about criminal activities.
> >
>
> Likewise, I suggest you contact the Mexican authorities if you have
> some information about criminal activities within Mexico.
Sure. Inform the fox about raids into the henhouse. Hilarious.
> Furthermore,
> I suggest you contact your "incorruptible" American authorities if you
> have some information about "criminal" activities in the US, e.g.
> "illegal aliens".
I do. But thanks for caring enough to make the suggestion.
> Of course, an "illegal" immigration problem as the
> one described by the US media and people like you, simply isn't
> possible in a country as "incorruptible" as the US. Right boy?
At least in this country we have laws against corruption. In
Mexico, corruption and the corrupt are the law.
Juan Cortina
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>
> > > > > What bullshit. In this country, corruption is prosecuted. In
> > > > > Mexico, it's routine and rewarded.
> > > >
> > > > One of the things that I could never figure out is how is it possible
> > > > that in such a "Great Country" as United States of America , soo full
> > > > of soo legal and honest people can have such an easy access to drugs
> > > > and pirated goods.
> > >
> > > I'm not familiar with that. Are you?
> >
> > You aren't familiar with the US' illegal drug problem? You aren't
> > aware that marihuana is consistently the US' top cash crop? You're not
> > aware of what's going on right under your nose, yet you presume to
> > have knowledge about Mexico. To use your favorite adjective:
> > hilarious!
>
> I study Mexico and Mexicans, not drugs or "pirated goods."
The veriest schoolboy knows about the drug problem in the US. Do you
mean you are sort of an "idiot savant"? If so, I hate to break it to
you boy but you don't know enough about Mexico or Mexicans to qualify
for the "savant" part of "idiot savant".
>
> > > > Of course you would find those south or north of the US'ian borders,
> > > > but inside?, never!, How is it possible that those evil mexican, south
> > > > american, asian and eastern europeans drug dealers can roam so easily
> > > > across the country. Are they smarter than than anglo cops?, well,
> > > > maybe. Is the only explanation I can find.
> > >
> > > I suggest you contact the American authorities if you
> > > have some information about criminal activities.
> > >
> >
> > Likewise, I suggest you contact the Mexican authorities if you have
> > some information about criminal activities within Mexico.
>
> Sure. Inform the fox about raids into the henhouse. Hilarious.
>
> > Furthermore,
> > I suggest you contact your "incorruptible" American authorities if you
> > have some information about "criminal" activities in the US, e.g.
> > "illegal aliens".
>
> I do. But thanks for caring enough to make the suggestion.
>
> > Of course, an "illegal" immigration problem as the
> > one described by the US media and people like you, simply isn't
> > possible in a country as "incorruptible" as the US. Right boy?
>
> At least in this country we have laws against corruption. In
> Mexico, corruption and the corrupt are the law.
I see, having no explanation for the persistence of the "illegal
immigration" problem in the US and being unable to claim that you
aren't familiar with such problem you resort to BS. In any case, this
is your chance to show us that you qualify for the "savant" part of
"idiot savant". Why don't you cite all the "corrupt" Mexican laws and
all the instances of legalized corruption in Mexico that you know of?
BTW, if you think your country is so "incorruptible" I suggest you
educate yourself about, for example, the Defense Policy Board . . .
there's an example of legalized corruption!
Ray S. Elizondo
and Hawaii, that is why they look like you, except for the big belly because
you guys and galls do not do any work, you just keep eating pig meat.
when have you seen a Samoan immigrant in the US, "legal or illegal" work on
the fields, all the ones I know in California, live off welfare.
"Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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H. Reader
The "drug problem." I see. Tell us all about it. You know, what
percentage of the population uses drugs, is incapacitated by drugs,
is harming the nation by its drug use ... you know, provide
some relevancy to your assertion.
> Do you
> mean you are sort of an "idiot savant"? If so, I hate to break it to
> you boy but you don't know enough about Mexico or Mexicans to qualify
> for the "savant" part of "idiot savant".
Now you refer to my knowledge of Mexicans as if it has something
to do with my knowledge of drug use in the US. I know a couple
of things that might join the two; that is, that Mexicans are hugely
in the drug smuggling and distribution business in this country.
Is that what you're referring to?
That's a bizzare conclusion, but then you're a Mexican,
aren't you.
> and being unable to claim that you
> aren't familiar with such problem you resort to BS. In any case, this
> is your chance to show us that you qualify for the "savant" part of
> "idiot savant". Why don't you cite all the "corrupt" Mexican laws and
> all the instances of legalized corruption in Mexico that you know of?
So you want a telling of the entire history of Mexico and also
its current events?
> BTW, if you think your country is so "incorruptible" I suggest you
> educate yourself about, for example, the Defense Policy Board . . .
> there's an example of legalized corruption!
Thanks. I'll look into it. But your assertions here that corruption
in the US in any way approaches the institutionalized, chronic, and
intrinsic corruption in Mexico is a hilarious stretch of fact and reason.
You're like a man up to his ears in a pit of shit chastising someone for
accidentally stepping in some dog poop.
Poop Dogg
> Thanks. I'll look into it. But your assertions here that corruption
>in the US in any way approaches the institutionalized, chronic, and
>intrinsic corruption in Mexico is a hilarious stretch of fact and reason.
>You're like a man up to his ears in a pit of shit chastising someone for
>accidentally stepping in some dog poop.
Very good point. I don't deny that corruption doesn't exist in the U.S.,
but the authorities make a very good effort to uncover it and punish it
when found. Every so often there is a scandal about an American
politician abusing his influence to make a buck, but that is a far cry
from a Mexican politician who embezzles billions of dollars from the
national treasury (López Portillo, Salinas). American presidents have
tended to be financially well off and do make money in speaking fees
after they retire, but I know of no American president who has managed
to accumulate billions of dollars of wealth during his term in office.
The Mexican system is corrupt to the core. Try as I might I can find
no other example of such systemic corruption in any other country in
the world. Oh, corruption can be found in many third-world countries,
with their tin-pot dictators looting the treasuries, but the amount
of money involved pales in comparison to what we see in Mexico.
Mexico would be a wealthy first-world nation had it not been for
a century or more of looting by the ruling elite. Mexico is poor
not because it is a "developing" country like we see in Africa where
people still live in trees. On the contrary, Mexico has a good 500
years of development and it was fairly developed even before the
Spanish arrived and conquered the Aztec Empire. The Spanish
proceeded to loot Mexico's vast wealth and used it to enrich only
themselves. The same system was inherited by the Mexicans after
independence. In modern Western countries wealth is invested to
produce more wealth, enriching everyone in the process. In Mexico
wealth that is generated is immediately stolen, enriching nobody
except those who have stolen it (and the Swiss banks, of course).
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<when have you seen a Samoan immigrant in the US, "legal or illegal" work on
the fields, all the ones I know in California, live off welfare.>>
at the invitation of the Anglos, who by the way did not innvite you leeches to
the USA.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Ray S. Elizondo
have sex with the fat Samoans, but now you have decided to "invade the US,
especially California, formerly a Spanish settlement, as you can tell by the
name, which is by the way not Anglo, and the cities, San Diego, Santa
Barbara, Los Angeles, San Francisco, I can go on an on and you will have to
admit that the Spaniards, not the Anglos founded this land. It is about time
you stop paying homage to your imaginary Anglos, and come to join your
\"brothers" the ones you call Hispanics.!!!!
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Juan Cortina
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> > > "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> > > news:f69a6a76.0308...@posting.google.com...
> > > >
> > > > aware that marihuana is consistently the US' top cash crop? You're not
> > > > aware of what's going on right under your nose, yet you presume to
> > > > have knowledge about Mexico. To use your favorite adjective:
> > > > hilarious!
> > >
> > > I study Mexico and Mexicans, not drugs or "pirated goods."
> >
> > The veriest schoolboy knows about the drug problem in the US.
>
> The "drug problem." I see. Tell us all about it. You know, what
> percentage of the population uses drugs, is incapacitated by drugs,
> is harming the nation by its drug use ... you know, provide
> some relevancy to your assertion.
It seems you object to my use of the term "problem". Perhaps your
objection is valid . . . I assumed that the US has a drug problem
since the US has programs such as DARE to convince elementary school
children not to use drugs; since the US has had significant campaigns
on TV to convince people not to use drugs; since the US has sent
troops and money/materiel to Colombia to fight drugs; since the US has
a budget of 18-19 billion dollars to fight the "Drug War", etc., etc.
Perhaps my assumption is "bizarre" and unjustified. As far as I am
concerned, you can refer to it as the drug issue or the drug situation
or whatever you want to call it. The issue is corruption not
semantics. BTW, I have already given you one statistic, which you have
chosen to ignore, i.e. marihuana is the biggest cash crop in the US,
and marihuana is an illegal crop in the US. Can you explain how this
can happen in such an "incorruptible" country as the US?
Here are a few more facts for you to evade, according to the 2001
National Household Survey on Drug Abuse 83 million Americans (37% of
the population) age 12 or older had used marihuana at least once.
According to the National Vital Statistics Reports (2001) 22.4% of
High School seniors had used marihuana in the previous month. While
under US occupation Afghanistan has become the largest producer of
heroine in the world.
>
> > Do you
> > mean you are sort of an "idiot savant"? If so, I hate to break it to
> > you boy but you don't know enough about Mexico or Mexicans to qualify
> > for the "savant" part of "idiot savant".
>
> Now you refer to my knowledge of Mexicans as if it has something
> to do with my knowledge of drug use in the US. I know a couple
> of things that might join the two; that is, that Mexicans are hugely
> in the drug smuggling and distribution business in this country.
> Is that what you're referring to?
There you go boy! See, you're not as ignorant as you think you are! Go
ahead pat yourself on the back! Now, can you explain how those nasty
Mexicans manage to smuggle and distribute such huge amounts of drugs
to the people of such an "incorruptible" country? Furthermore, please
tell us what is the tonnage or street value of the drugs smuggled by
Mexicans, what percentage of the US drug trade is in the hands of
Mexicans, etc., . . . "you know, provide some relevancy to your
assertion."
>
> > >
> > > > Of course, an "illegal" immigration problem as the
> > > > one described by the US media and people like you, simply isn't
> > > > possible in a country as "incorruptible" as the US. Right boy?
> > >
> > > At least in this country we have laws against corruption. In
> > > Mexico, corruption and the corrupt are the law.
> >
> > I see, having no explanation for the persistence of the "illegal
> > immigration" problem in the US
>
> That's a bizzare conclusion, but then you're a Mexican,
> aren't you.
That's right, Doogie, you have a perfect explanation for the
persistence of the "illegal immigration" problem in the US, one that
doesn't involve the corruption of US authorities, you just don't want
to tell me what it is, right boy? What are you . . . a five-year old?
Perhaps, now you would also like to claim that you have no knowledge
of an "illegal immigration" problem in the US.
>
> > and being unable to claim that you
> > aren't familiar with such problem you resort to BS. In any case, this
> > is your chance to show us that you qualify for the "savant" part of
> > "idiot savant". Why don't you cite all the "corrupt" Mexican laws and
> > all the instances of legalized corruption in Mexico that you know of?
>
> So you want a telling of the entire history of Mexico and also
> its current events?
Heck boy, if you keep this up, we're going to start thinking you're,
one of those "unqualified" minorities you complain about. You made
the statement: "In Mexico, corruption and the corrupt are the law."
I've never asked for the "entire history of Mexico and also its
current events." I'm just asking you to cite corrupt Mexican laws and
instances of legalized corruption in Mexico . . . "you know, provide
some relevancy to your assertion." Do you think you can manage that or
will you continue to hide behind empty rhetoric?
>
> > BTW, if you think your country is so "incorruptible" I suggest you
> > educate yourself about, for example, the Defense Policy Board . . .
> > there's an example of legalized corruption!
>
> Thanks. I'll look into it. But your assertions here that corruption
> in the US in any way approaches the institutionalized, chronic, and
> intrinsic corruption in Mexico is a hilarious stretch of fact and reason.
When you start providing us with facts, when you start learning about
your own country and when you start addressing the points I've made,
then your statement might amount to something. As of now, it is merely
a pathetic and unsuccessful attempt at breaking wind.
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<"invade the US, especially California, formerly a Spanish settlement>>
for how many years, Senyor? Regarding the Hispanicks now in California, did
they come here under Hispanick rule or are they descended from those who were
desperate to get the hell out of Latin America to sneak into the society
created by Anglos?
<< as you can tell by the name, which is by the way not Anglo, and the cities,
San Diego, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles, San Francisco>>
and the capital of Mexico is "Le Ciudad de Mexico". Did the Spanish create
Mexico City (Tenochtitlan)? Are you even aware of who gave San Francisco its
name? It was an Anglo named Bartlett.
<<It is about time you stop paying homage to your imaginary Anglos, and come to
join your
\"brothers" the ones you call Hispanicks.!!!!>>
The Hispanick race should be put on trial for the following crimes:
1) destroying great native American societies like the Aztecs and Incas.
2) stealing all the gold from the aformentioned native Americans.
3) forcing your loser language and culture on the rest of the world.
4) destroying every society you Hispanicks created.
5) trying to lay the macho BS on everyone
6) refusing to accept English as the language of the people and country that
took you people out of poverty and provided for you.
7) doing nothing for the betterment of world society.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<as you can tell by the name, which is by the way not Anglo, and the cities,
San Diego, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles, San Francisco, I can go on an on>>
SAN FRANCISCO
It is also to Bartlett that we owe the name "San Francisco" to. General
Vallejo, Thomas O Larkin and Dr Semple, landholders to the north, certain of
the destiny of California, conceived a subtle and farsighted scheme. They
projected a town on the shores of San Francisco Bay to be called the city of
San Francisca, because they knew that a city named after the famous Bay of San
Francisco would be a natural bait both for settlers and sea craft, becoming in
the course of a few years the metropolis of the future state. Unfortunately,
Bartlett's mind worked as quickly and as astutely as theirs. Before they had
time to record the title of their town, he changed the name of his from Yerba
Buena to San Francisco, publishing the ordinance in the "California Star".
Vallejo, Larkin and Semple protested in vain, but settled to call their village
Benicia.
from "Two Years Before the Mast", by Richard Henry Dana, copyright 1946
these observations take place in 1834-36.
page 190
page 249
Behind this, is the harbor in which trading vessels anchor, and near it, the
mission of San Francisco, and a newly begun settlement, mostly of Yankee
Californians, called Yerba Buena (San Francisco).
page 257
....for the settlement of Yerba Buena, where we lay at anchor, made chiefly by
Americans and English....
It was in the month of May, 1835, that Governor Figueroa determined to lay out
a settlement at Yerba Buena,and offered William A. Richardson, the Englishman
who had arrived in California in 1822 and naturalized in 1829, the position of
captain of the port if he would settle on the cove. Richardson consented, and
with his family moved north at once from his home near the San Gabriel Mission.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<as you can tell by the name, which is by the way not Anglo, and the cities,
San Diego, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles, San Francisco, I can go on an on>>
ALTURAS, California
Until 1874, Alturas was known as Dorris Bridge (named for James Dorris, the
town's first white settler). He built a simple wooden bridge across the creek
at the east end of town.
Atascadero, California
The City was founded as California's first planned community in 1913 by E.G.
Lewis and was incorporated in 1979.
CERRITOS, California
Formerly an agricultural center, the community was known as Dairy Valley until
1967. The city then was renamed Cerritos (Spanish, "little hills") after a
ranch established here in the 1780s.
CHICO, CALIFORNIA
Chico, city, Butte County, northern California; incorporated 1872. The
community was laid out in 1860 by General John Bidwell on land of his Rancho
Arroyo Chico (Spanish, "little stream"), hence its name
Costa Mesa, California
By this time, the little town of Harper, named after a nearby rancher, had
emerged on a siding of the Santa Ana and Newport Railroad. On May 11, 1920,
Harper officially changed its name to Costa Mesa....
DEL MAR, California
Del Mar means "by the sea", and the origin of the name can be traced back to
Ella Loop who had previously given the name to the tent city on the beach that
she and her husband, Theodore, established in the early 1880s.
DURANGO, Colorado
Durango was founded by representatives of the Denver and Rio Grande Railway in
1880 to exploit the gold and silver mining boom in the area.
EL SEGUNDO
In 1911, workers of the Standard Oil Company began to settle in the El Segundo
area. "El Segundo", which means "the second" in Spanish, is the second refinery
of the Standard Oil Company of California.
EL CENTRO, CALIFORNIA
El Centro was founded and incorporated as a city in 1907. In 1906 W. F. Holt
and C.A. Barker purchased the land on which El Centro was eventually built for
about forty dollars an acre and invested $100,000 in improvements.
El Monte, California
The first of a few non-Spanish towns to be settled in the Los Angeles Basin was
El Monte, where some Texas farmers had made homes in 1852.
El Cerrito, California
After the 1906 earthquake and fire in San Francisco the village of Rust (now El
Cerrito) started to grow as refugees from San Francisco moved to this side of
the Bay to live.
Wilhelm F. Rust born in Hanover, Germany on November 27, 1857 came to
California in 1883.
LA PUENTE, CALIFORNIA
The City was incorporated on August 1, 1956. The community of La Puente began
in 1841 when European settlers arrived by wagon train from New Mexico and
obtained title to the large 48,000 acre Rancho La Puente.
LA MESA, CALIFORNIA
When Mexico became independent in 1821, Santiago Arguello was granted 60,000
acres. In 1868, Robert Allison purchased 4,000 acres from the Arguello estate.
On this land he operated a ranch and rest stop known as Allison Springs. A land
boom began as water and rail transportation came into the area in the 1880's.
In 1894, A.S. Crowder and Joseph Allison filed the La Mesa Springs subdivision
map, and the new town became official.
LAS VEGAS, NEVADA
Mormons from Utah were the region's first settlers, sent in 1855 by Brigham
Young to build a fort. They were attracted by the artesian springs in the arid
valley along the Old Spanish Trail. From the landscape came the name Las Vegas,
meaning "the meadows." The Mormons abandoned the site in 1857, and the United
States Army built Fort Baker there in 1864. With the coming of the San Pedro,
Los Angeles, and Salt Lake Railroad in 1905, Las Vegas became a railroad town.
Marina Del Rey, California
During the late 1880's land boom in Southern California, one visionary named
Moye L. Wicks saw the potential of Playa del Rey as a harbor. In 1886 he
organized the Ballona Harbor and Improvement Company with a capital stock of
$300,000 to dredge out "Port Ballona." The board of directors included James
Campbell, H.W. Mills, E.H Boyd, F. Sabichi, Doctor Lotspeich and himself.
MESA, Arizona
founded by MORMONS 1878, inc. 1883. The city's population multiplied fivefold
from 1960 to 1980 and 89% from 1980 to 1990. It has electronics, aircraft,
metal, and machine-tool industries.
The Spanish name for "table" was chosen as the community's name because of its
location on a plateau overlooking the Salt River valley
MODESTO, CALIFORNIA
The city was laid out in 1870 by the Central Pacific Railroad. It became a
shipping and supply hub as well as an agricultural center when irrigated
agriculture began in 1903. The city incorporated in 1884. The city's name,
Spanish for "modest," is a tribute to William C. Ralston, a prominent
California financier who declined to have the community named for him.
ORLANDO, FLORIDA
The Seminole people lived in the region of present-day Orlando before white
settlers arrived in the late 1830s. Fort Gatlin was built near the site of
today's city during the Second Seminole War, and Orlando grew up around it.
First named Jernigan for a local trader, the city adopted its current name in
1857.
Palo Alto, California
The town of Palo Alto was officially named in 1892. Palo Alto began late. When
Americans came to the Peninsula, after the Indian, mission, and rancho eras,
Mayfield and Menlo Park became railroad stops while the future Palo Alto
remained a hayfield. But their many bars repelled Leland Stanford, who wanted a
clean community associated with his new university -- a town where education
reigned. His associate, Timothy Hopkins, had an option to buy the hayfield, and
with Stanford's help, Hopkins did, and laid out homesites. Enthusiastic buyers
came, and in April 1894, the new residents incorporated as a city to ensure
their water supply.
Santa Maria, California city, Santa Barbara County, southwestern California;
incorporated 1905. The site was purchased by American settlers in 1837 and was
surveyed in 1874. Santa Maria was known as Central City until 1885, when it was
renamed to reflect the area's Spanish heritage.
Santa Ana, California
In 1869, William H. Spurgeon purchased 70 acres from the Yorba family and
plotted a townsite. The new town was given the name Santa Ana. In 1886, Santa
Ana was incorporated as a city. Orange County was separated from Los Angeles
County in 1889 and Santa Ana was made the County seat
SALINAS, California
The name of the city is Spanish for "salt marshes," which are found along the
Salinas River.
In 1867 Alberto Trescony, Alan Riker and William Jackson formed a partnership
with cattle rancher Eugene Sherwood and laid out a city plan of a half-square
mile. Realizing the importance of the railroad to getting the agricultural
products to market, Sherwood offered Southern Pacific Railroad free acreage for
the right-of- way and a depot; which opened its doors for business in 1872,
that was also the year that "Salinas City" became the seat of Monterey County.
Two years later the name was changed to the "City of Salinas" and incorporated.
Salinas evolved from the purchase of two ranchos (Rancho Nacional and Rancho
Sausal) and the business dealings of two early settlers (James Bryant Hill and
Jacob Leese).
SACRAMENTO, California
founded by Swiss immigrant John Sutter in 1839 and named after the Sacramento
River which the city was founded on. A German-born Swiss businessman, Sutter
arrived in San Francisco in 1839 and obtained an enormous grant of 48,000 acres
at the junction of the Sacramento and American Rivers, where he established
"New Helvetia," a settlement with a fort, orchards, vineyards, and wheatfields.
Sutter's fort soon became a stopover for the American settlers who followed the
Bidwell party through the Sierras, including survivors of the ill-fated Donner
Party of 1846. Besides such settlers, trappers, and hunters there were also
sailors who had jumped ship.
SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA
Land developers laid out the community in 1875. Santa Monica was incorporated
in 1886.
Col. Robert S. Baker, who originally thought the area would make a good sheep
ranch, purchased the land in the early 1870's. On July 10, 1870, millionaire
gold-and-silver miner Senator John P. Jones partnered with Baker to have the
Los Angeles County Recorders office officially record the site of Santa Monica.
Days later, the two men auctioned the land as lots ranging in price from $75 to
$500 each.
SAN LEANDRO, CALIFORNIA
In 1842, Don Jose Joaquin Estudillo, also a retired Spanish soldier, was
granted 7,000 acres of land in the San Leandro area, which he named Rancho San
Leandro.
In 1849 the Gold Rush struck California, and thousands journeyed to the state
in search of wealth and prosperity. However, many who were not successful in
the gold fields soon moved on to the Bay Area, and settled in the San Leandro
area. As a result of this increased settlement, in 1855 John Ward, the
son-in-law of Joaquin Estudillo, filed a map of a townsite to be called San
Leandro with the County government. San Leandro was incorporated as a town on
March 21,1872.
San Ramon, California
American settlers came to San Ramon in 1850, when Leo Norris purchased 4,450
acres from Don Amador. He and his partner William Lynch built the first frame
house (made of redwoods from Oakland) and planted the first barley crop. In
1852 Joel and Minerva Fowler Harlan built their first home on today's county
line; James Dougherty bought 10,000 acres from Amador; and Major Samuel Russel
settled on 600 acres near Norris Canyon.
Many of the people who founded San Ramon are remembered today because their
names grace various canyons, hills and streets. Some of these pioneers were
Norris, Lynch, Harlan, McCamley, Crow, Cox, Bollinger, Fereira, Boone, Meese,
Glass and Wiedemann. Several houses still survive as prideful reminders of
these first families: the Glass house (1860) and Harlan house (1858) stand just
west of San Ramon Valley Boulevard and the Wiedemann house (1865) is in Norris
Canyon. Initially the Americans called the area Brevensville, Lynchville and
Limerick, after early settlers Eli Breven, William Lynch and the large Irish
popoulation. The first villiage developed adjacent to San Ramon Creek at the
intersection of Old Crow Canyon Road and San Ramon Valley Boulevard. When a
permanent post office was established in 1873, it was called San Ramon.
With the arrival of the Southern Pacific Railroad's San Ramon branch line in
1891, other changes took place. The name "San Ramon" permanently replaced
Limerick.
San Pedro, California
In 1899, Edward Muller, a prominent founding citizen of San Pedro built a home
at First and Front Street for his parents who resided in Wilmington. They
choose not to move to the new home. William Muller purchased the home in 1901.
In 1912, Front Street was cut down to be widened and became Harbor Blvd.
San Bernardino, California
The stealing continued, however, until a company of nearly 500 Mormons arrived
in the valley in 1851, making camp at the mouth of a creek which flowed briskly
through the valley to the Santa Ana River. Overjoyed with the abundance of
water, the dense growth of willows, cottonwoods and sycamores and the mustard
and wild oats that grew on the hillsides, the followers named the stream "Lytle
Creek" after their leader, Captain Andrew Lytle.
Dedicated to expanding Brigham Young's religious empire, the religious pioneers
purchased the 40,000-acre San Bernardino Rancho in 1852, for $77,000, with a
down payment of $7,000.
The community thrived and in 1854 the City of San Bernardino was officially
incorporated. Population at the time was 1,200 – 900 of them Mormons.
VISALIA, California
Visalia, city, seat of Tulare County, south central California, in the San
Joaquin Valley, on the Kaweah River delta; settled 1852, incorporated as a city
1864. The city is named for early settler Nathan Vise
YORBA LINDA, CALIFORNIA
In 1907, Jacob Stern, a Fullerton resident and owner of portions of the former
Yorba lands, sold a large area to the Los Angeles based Janss Corporation. The
Janss Corporation subdivided this property and named the new town "Yorba
Linda," "Yorba" after the early land grant family and "Linda" meaning pretty in
Spanish.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
Hispanick rule or are they descended from those who were
desperate to get the hell out of Latin America to sneak into the society
created by Anglos?>>
From "Triumphs and Tragedy", by Ramon Eduardo Ruiz, copyright 1992.
page 206
Until the end of the nineteenth century, New Spain's northern territories were
largely unsettled........Few of the colonizing schemes bore much fruit.....
From "The Spanish in North America", by David Weber, copyright 1992 by Yale
University.
After the Yuma revolt of 1781, and the establishment of California's 4th
presido at Santa Barbara in 1782, no large influx of soldiers or colonists
arrived, no additional presidios were built, and only one town was established
- a half hearted effort in 1797 to establish a villa near mission Santa Cruz.
The closing of the Sonora road in 1781 had made California dependent once again
on the sea for all communication with New Spain, and the province offered no
attractions that would prompt immigrants to make the arduous journey.
From "Chavez and the Farm Workers", by Ronald B. Taylor, copyright 1975
page 45
In the late 1920's, the Pacific Rural Press reported an average of 58,000
Mexicans were brought in yearly to work the crops; by 1930 state population
figures revealed 250,000 Mexicans living in California. The same kind of
importation was going on all along the border, in Arizona, New Mexico and
Texas.
From "They Built The West", by Glenn Quiett, copyright 1934
page 261
When the Mexican Empire fell, it was succeeded by the Mexican Republic, with
frequent changes of government; and during all this time the pueblo of Los
Angeles was a storm-center of revolution. It had grown somewhat, adding
population from the shipfuls of criminals sent from Mexico, transportation to
the Californias being a form of punishment; and once it was presented by Mexico
with a boat load of orphans.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<as you can tell by the name, which is by the way not Anglo, and the cities,
San Diego>>
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/books/wcb/wcb3.htm
By 1840 only 140 persons called San Diego home.
Entrepreneur Alonzo Horton vitalized the area in 1867 when he began developing
land south of the original settlement. Following a devastating fire in 1872,
settlers and businesses migrated to Horton's "New Town." The area boomed
following the arrival of the first railroad in 1885.
Alonzo Horton
By 1860, San Diego had a population of 731. A businessman named Alonzo E.
Horton purchased land along eastern San Diego Bay in 1867. He laid out an area
called New Town, which soon became the new center of the town.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
The city is known for its Spanish architecture, and its mission (est. 1786,
present building 1820) is famous.
The city was incorporated in 1850. After a severe earthquake in 1925, many
buildings were restored in Spanish Colonial style
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<as you can tell by the name, which is by the way not Anglo, and the cities,
San Diego, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles, San Francisco, I can go on an on>>
From "The Blond Ranchero", by Juan Francisco Dana, copyright 1960.
page 13
When I was born, Alta California was a province of the Republic of Mexico and
had been since the final break with the mother-country of Spain, some sixteen
years before. A century ago, California was almost like Baja California remains
today with a few scattered towns and military garrisons and vast stretches of
land in between. Far apart were the large ranchos, miles from one another and
lonesome perhaps, except that life was busy from daylight to dusk. Decay had
already set in at the missions and their days of glory were past.
page 105
In the early days cattle was the only livelihood in California. Many of my
recollections are of the cattle upon my father's ranch. When they were roaming
over the hills and valleys, it would be impossible to tell at a glance to whom
they belonged.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<as you can tell by the name, which is by the way not Anglo, and the cities,
San Diego, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles, San Francisco, I can go on an on>>
From "America's Frontier Story", by Martin Ridge and Ray Billington, copyright
1969
page 472, (in the words of Charles Wilkes, an official explorer from the USA
who was in California at the time):
"The situation of Upper California will cause its separation from Mexico before
many years. The country between it and Mexico can never be anything but a
barren waste, which precludes all intercourse expect that by sea, always more
or less interrupted by the course of the winds, and the unhealthfulness of the
lower or seaport towns of Mexico."
page 482, (in the words of "Cheyenne" Dawson, a young man who accompanied the
1841 caravan, remembered the shock of the first view of the San Joaquin Valley
when he wrote in his memoirs):
"We had expected to find civilization - with big fields, fine houses, churches,
schools, etc. Instead we found houses resembling unburnt brick kilns, with no
floors, no chimneys, and with the openings for doors and windows closed by
shutters instead of glass. There were no fields or fencing in sight - only a
strong lot made of logs, called a corral."
page 352
Over the next years, as the Arizona missions slowly grew, religious interest
shifted to another borderland of even greater significance. The conquest of
California had long intrigued Spaniards, but its distance from Mexico City, the
difficulty of desert routes that led to it, and the perverse nature of the
Pacific's winds and currents which blocked coastal navigation long closed that
tempting land to colonizers.
With the founding of the California missions, New Spain's northern empire
stretched in a giant arc from eastern Texas across New Mexico and Arizona to
San Francisco Bay. Every point along this perimeter was vulnerable. Supplied by
distant Mexico City over desert trails a thousand miles long and often
neglected between 1810 and 1821 as Mexico endured the throes of revolution, the
thin line of missions, presidios, and pueblos was so poorly guarded that it
could be penetrated almost at will by properly equipped foes.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Ray S. Elizondo
created California, so no matter how many "Anglo" names you keep bringing
up, they just wrote books. In Texas even David Crocket was defeated by the
Mexican Army, and YOU can not change that no matter how many books were
written by your ANGLO MASTERS.
The Anglos came to California, in the 1800, just like the Russians, to work
for the Spaniard monks. My ancestors the Spaniards in California, used the
Anglos as laborers, some times as pistoleros. The Russians were permited to
go hunting, by what is now the Russian River.
So give it up, your ANGLO MASTERS, are now working for the Asians, mainly
Japanese, in the Silicon Valley, Hawaii, and Samoa are practicaly owned by
the Japanese, just go to the main hotels and ask who the owners are.
"Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030823032312...@mb-m25.aol.com...
Poop Dogg
><<as you can tell by the name, which is by the way not Anglo, and the cities,
>San Diego, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles, San Francisco, I can go on an on>>
I won't deny that a few Spanish names exist in the previously Spanish/
Mexican western states. There were always a few scattered outposts.
But the region was largely unpopulated by the Spanish or Mexicans. If
you look at any map you will see that the overwhelming majority of
place-names are Anglo. The states themselves have Spanish names, but
the localities within are all anglo-named. The people who populate
a region get to name the places. Look at my state of Texas, for
example. My town, Laredo, was a Spanish outpost in the 1700s so it
has a Spanish name. The nearest large city, San Antonio, was also
a Spanish mission. But that's it. Everywhere else in Texas has
an Anglo name. I read that at the time of its independence from
Mexico Texas had only 4000 Mexicans living in it, that's why the
Mexican government paid white Americans to settle it. In exchange
the Anglos would swear allegience to the Mexican government and
that would allow Mexico to lay a more serious claim to the region.
H. Reader
You neglect to mention that marijuana cultivation is done
by individual citizens who sell to other individual citizens.
It's a large cash crop because of the expense of the
substance. It isn't, for example, the largest cash
crop in tonnage or by any other measure, and
it isn't run as a kind of underground institution
by the institution of government. In other words,
it isn't like the Mexican oil industry, if you know
what I mean, and I'm pretty sure you do.
> Here are a few more facts for you to evade, according to the 2001
> National Household Survey on Drug Abuse 83 million Americans (37% of
> the population) age 12 or older had used marihuana at least once.
I'm shocked...shocked...
> According to the National Vital Statistics Reports (2001) 22.4% of
> High School seniors had used marihuana in the previous month.
More *shocking* news ...
> While
> under US occupation Afghanistan has become the largest producer of
> heroine in the world.
It been either the largest or second largest producer of heroin
for ... what? ... about 40 years?
> > > Do you
> > > mean you are sort of an "idiot savant"? If so, I hate to break it to
> > > you boy but you don't know enough about Mexico or Mexicans to qualify
> > > for the "savant" part of "idiot savant".
> >
> > Now you refer to my knowledge of Mexicans as if it has something
> > to do with my knowledge of drug use in the US. I know a couple
> > of things that might join the two; that is, that Mexicans are hugely
> > in the drug smuggling and distribution business in this country.
> > Is that what you're referring to?
>
> There you go boy! See, you're not as ignorant as you think you are! Go
> ahead pat yourself on the back! Now, can you explain how those nasty
> Mexicans manage to smuggle and distribute such huge amounts of drugs
> to the people of such an "incorruptible" country?
You ought to read again what I wrote and then revise
your response accordingly, that is, if you can think
clearly enough to do so.
> Furthermore, please
> tell us what is the tonnage or street value of the drugs smuggled by
> Mexicans, what percentage of the US drug trade is in the hands of
> Mexicans, etc., . . . "you know, provide some relevancy to your
> assertion."
"Hugely involved" is sufficient.
> > > > > Of course, an "illegal" immigration problem as the
> > > > > one described by the US media and people like you, simply isn't
> > > > > possible in a country as "incorruptible" as the US. Right boy?
> > > >
> > > > At least in this country we have laws against corruption. In
> > > > Mexico, corruption and the corrupt are the law.
> > >
> > > I see, having no explanation for the persistence of the "illegal
> > > immigration" problem in the US
> >
> > That's a bizzare conclusion, but then you're a Mexican,
> > aren't you.
>
> That's right, Doogie, you have a perfect explanation for the
> persistence of the "illegal immigration" problem in the US, one that
> doesn't involve the corruption of US authorities, you just don't want
> to tell me what it is, right boy? What are you . . . a five-year old?
>
> Perhaps, now you would also like to claim that you have no knowledge
> of an "illegal immigration" problem in the US.
The problem begins with Mexico being a shithole that millions of
Mexicans wish to escape. The problem continues with a comparative
handful of American employers who hire the Mexicans. The problem
is aggravated by competitors of that handful of employers who must
also hire cheap Mexican labor or go out of business ... The problem
is probably too complex for you to grasp, isn't it.
> > > and being unable to claim that you
> > > aren't familiar with such problem you resort to BS. In any case, this
> > > is your chance to show us that you qualify for the "savant" part of
> > > "idiot savant". Why don't you cite all the "corrupt" Mexican laws and
> > > all the instances of legalized corruption in Mexico that you know of?
> >
> > So you want a telling of the entire history of Mexico and also
> > its current events?
>
>
> Heck boy, if you keep this up, we're going to start thinking you're,
> one of those "unqualified" minorities you complain about. You made
> the statement: "In Mexico, corruption and the corrupt are the law."
> I've never asked for the "entire history of Mexico and also its
> current events." I'm just asking you to cite corrupt Mexican laws and
> instances of legalized corruption in Mexico . . . "you know, provide
> some relevancy to your assertion." Do you think you can manage that or
> will you continue to hide behind empty rhetoric?
You might start with PEMEX, and then look into why former
Mexican presidents are referred to as the "millionaires club," even
though many weren't millionaries upon entering office, and work
your way down to the street cops taking bribes and the telephone
installer who needs a bit of mordida to hook up your house.
But then you don't really need to be enlightened about what
is common knowledge among all Mexicans, do you.
> > > BTW, if you think your country is so "incorruptible" I suggest you
> > > educate yourself about, for example, the Defense Policy Board . . .
> > > there's an example of legalized corruption!
> >
> > Thanks. I'll look into it. But your assertions here that
corruption
> > in the US in any way approaches the institutionalized, chronic, and
> > intrinsic corruption in Mexico is a hilarious stretch of fact and
reason.
>
>
> When you start providing us with facts, when you start learning about
> your own country and when you start addressing the points I've made,
> then your statement might amount to something. As of now, it is merely
> a pathetic and unsuccessful attempt at breaking wind.
So then in your view Mexico is not corrupt, but the US is. I see.
Hilarious.
And Americans wonder why Mexico is such a corrupt shithole. Thanks
for providing a view into your mentality. Your denial goes a long way to
explaining why Mexico is a corrupt shithole.
H. Reader
> Who invited you? Your Anglo masters, have the Samoan Islands just to go
> have sex with the fat Samoans, but now you have decided to "invade the US,
> especially California, formerly a Spanish settlement, as you can tell by
the
> name, which is by the way not Anglo, and the cities, San Diego, Santa
> Barbara, Los Angeles, San Francisco, I can go on an on and you will have
to
> admit that the Spaniards, not the Anglos founded this land.
What hilarious nonsense. The Spaniards built nothing and
left nothing. And by the way, San Francisco was given its
name by its American mayor, whom you would call an "Anglo."
> It is about time
> you stop paying homage to your imaginary Anglos, and come to join your
> \"brothers" the ones you call Hispanics.!!!!
Actually, Samoans are too intelligent to allign themselves
with Mexicans. Most people are.
H. Reader
> Your "Anglo" Masters, were only writing books, about the Spaniards that
> created California, so no matter how many "Anglo" names you keep bringing
> up, they just wrote books. In Texas even David Crocket was defeated by
the
> Mexican Army, and YOU can not change that no matter how many books were
> written by your ANGLO MASTERS.
Right. But first the Texans killed about ...what?...1500 of you
sleazy Mexicans before your army of 5,000 overcame the Alamo?
How proud you must be. You probably prefer not to mention
San Jacinto ... you know, where a bunch of rag-tag Texas
farmers defeated the Mexican army and captured the
lowlife little scumbag Santa Ana.
> The Anglos came to California, in the 1800, just like the Russians, to
work
> for the Spaniard monks.
Actually, no. The Americans began arriving after the Mexicans
won indepence from Spain. The Spanish had laws against
residing in California.
> My ancestors the Spaniards in California, used the
> Anglos as laborers, some times as pistoleros. The Russians were permited
to
> go hunting, by what is now the Russian River.
You make this shit up, don't you.
> So give it up, your ANGLO MASTERS, are now working for the Asians, mainly
> Japanese, in the Silicon Valley, Hawaii, and Samoa are practicaly owned by
> the Japanese, just go to the main hotels and ask who the owners are.
Desperate, aren't you.
Juan Cortina
C'mon Poop, do you really think that only the Swiss banks were
enriched? Do you think Citibank didn't get paid handsomely for their
services? It is estimated that as much as 500 billion dollars is
laundered through US banks annually and as much as 500 billion dollars
of "dirty money" is deposited in US banks annually. With such mounts
of dirty money flowing to the US what is your rationale for deciding
that Mexico is orders of magnitude more corrupt than the US? Do you
really think that the US is eager to forego such amounts of money?
Heck, the US economy would probably collapse! Frankly, on money
laundering grounds alone, one would conclude that the US is a
thoroughly corrupt country.
David Eduardo
I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard
stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way
beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid.
You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself
so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense
that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Stupid enough to call
yourself after dog excrement. Blazing hot mid-day
sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our
entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a
troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this
is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some
pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be
beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on.
This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear
from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride
your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant
trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.
(courtesy of Guy Macon)
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<The Anglos came to California, in the 1800, just like the Russians, to work
for the Spaniard monks.>>
wrong, they ended up their by accident. Shipwrecked or deserters looking for
the nearest place to jump ship. It wasn't an all out attempt to leave their
Anglo society specifically to sneak into Hispanick society.
<<My ancestors the Spaniards in California, used the Anglos as laborers, some
times as pistoleros. >>
BULLSHIT! All you Hispanicks pretend to be descended from 1800
Hispanick-California. Too proud to admit they had to sneak into the country of
their hated rivals to live a decent life.
<<The Russians were permited to
go hunting, by what is now the Russian River.>>
BULLSHIT! The Russiand came down by themselves and never asked the Spanairds
for permission.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<The Americans began arriving after the Mexicans won indepence from Spain.
The Spanish had laws against residing in California.>>
and they deoprted illegal Anglos as we should do with illegal Hispanicks.
From "The Blond Ranchero", by Juan Francisco Dana, copyright 1960.
page 77
In that year, Governor Alvarado concocted a scheme of getting rid of all the
gringos in California and of one Isaac Graham in particular. Graham had helped
Alavarado gain the governor's chair when he was opposing my grandfather, Don
Carlos Carrillo, but that made no difference to Alvarado.
On some kind of pretext, Alvarado had the gringos who had not become Mexican
citizens, come to Monterey, where 160 were immediately put into irons and put
on board a ship bound for Mexico by way of Santa Barbara.
No one was more surprised than my father when a band of soldiers appeared at
Casa Dana one morning with a warrant for Price's arrest. Tio Juan was taken to
Santa Barbara where he joined the rest of the prisoners in a damp, unventilated
room at the mission. The only kind of treatment they received was from an
undaunted padre at the mission and some kind-hearted ladies from the village.
One Englishman died as a result of the neglect and harsh treatment.
from "Spanish Texas", by Gerald Ashford, copyright 1971.
page 174
Nolan was not the first American to enter Texas, but he was by far the most
important up to his time. Most of the handful of others who dared cross the
border in the late 18th Century were either driven back or carried away to the
mines of interior Mexico. To cross the Spanish iron curtain of that day,
without a special license from the King of Spain, was in fact a capital
offense.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<I read that at the time of its independence from Mexico Texas had only 4000
Mexicans living in it, that's why the
Mexican government paid white Americans to settle it.>>
try 2,000 Hispanicks in all of Texas.
From "Arizona, A Panoramic History of a Frontier State", by Marshall Trimble,
copyright 1977
page 88
Her reasons for opening up colonization to the Americans were mostly
selfish. The rampaging Comanche were a constant threat, not only to Texas, but
to the interior of Mexico as well. The first of the Plains Indians to acquire
the horse, they had built their entire culture around it. As a Cossack-type
warrior, none could match the Comanche in riding skill and deadliness in
battle. Some of the brain trusts in Mexico City thought that as the Americans
and Comanche loved to fight so much, why not bring the two together?
A land giveaway program was initiated in Texas, attracting the land-hungry
Americans came in droves. All one had to do was bring a note of good
citizenship from home, swear allegiance to Mexico, and become a Catholic. The
Mexicans for their part hoped to form an American buffer zone against the
Comanche and their Kiowa cohorts. If the Indians had someone nearer home to
harass, so much the better for the interior of Mexico. The strategy did work;
the Mexicans and Americans who staked a claim in Texas had their work cut out
for them. The Texas frontier was alive with raid and counterraid over the next
few years as both sides struggled for dominance. Evidently the program worked
well, for in the 1821 the population of Texas was some 3,500 and by 1830 it had
reached almost 20,000.......
There were too many cultural differences between the two, their laws and
customs were incompatible, and mutual distrust eventually led to open conflict.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid.
Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the
stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid.
You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far
that even the neutrons have collapsed.>>
You need to read this excerpt from Ann Coulter's new book:
From: "Slander, the liberal lies about the American right", by Ann Coulter,
copyright 2002
page 121
If liberals were prevented from ever again calling Republicans dumb, they would
be robbed of half their arguments. To be sure, they would still have "racist'"
"fascist'" "homophobe," "ugly," and a few other highly nuanced arguments in the
quiver. But the loss of "dumb" would nearly cripple them. Like clockwork, every
consequential Republican to come down the pike is instantly, invariably,
always, without exception called "dumb."
This is how six-year-olds argue: They call everything "stupid." The left's
primary argument is the angry reaction of a helpless child deprived of the
ability to mount logical counterarguments. Someday we will turn to the "New
York Times" editorial page and find the Newspaper of Record denouncing
President Bush for being a "penis head."
The "you're stupid" riposte is part of the larger liberal tactic of refusing
to engage in ideas. Sometimes they evaporate in the middle of an argument and
you're left standing alone, arguing with yourself. More often, liberals
withdraw figuratively by responding with ludicrous and irrelevant personal
attacks. Especially popular are non-sequitors that are also savagely cruel. A
vicious personal smear, they believe, constitutes a clever counterargument.
Your refusal to submit to name-calling means you were overwhelmed by the force
of their argument that you are a "penis head."
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<Actually, Samoans are too intelligent to allign themselves with Mexicans>>
the entire world is fully aware of how Hispanicks have laid watse and rendered
unlivable every goddamned society they ever settled.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<The states themselves have Spanish names>>
and they were named by Anglos.
MONTANA
James Ashley, a congressman from Ohio and a friend of Edgerton, was chairman of
the House Committee on Territories. During the previous session, Ashley had
been in charge of the bill which resulted in the establishment of the Idaho
Territory. Originally this measure was to have created a Montana territory,
but, just before the final vote was taken, an ammendment was accepted which
changed the name from Montana to Idaho. Ashely was disappointed, for Montana
was his favorite name for a territory in the Rocky Mountains. When asked by
Edgerton to suggest a name for the newly proposed territory, Ashley at once
recommended Montana.
He then introduced a bill to create Montana Territory and the bill was
referred to his committee. On March 17 Ashley reported the bill favorably to
the House. Again, opposition arose to the name as being meaningless. Ashley
maintained that it was appropriate because "it is a Spanish word meaning
'mountainous'". Another member thought than an Indian name would be more
appropriate and suggested Shoshone, but was laughed at when the Colorado
delegate informed the House that Shoshone meant "snake". The names of Jefferson
and Douglas were offered, but met with little favor on a body dominated by
Republicans.
COLORADO
When winter slowed the migration, the Lawrence men formed a company,
completed surveys and published a map on which they called the town Colorado
City. The tract was 2 miles long and a mile wide, extending from the Gypsum
Bluffs west of Camp Creek to near Monument Creek. HM Fosdick, a professional
surveyor who owned a ranch near Boone and who later surveyed much of Pueblo,
staked out Colorado City. The name was chosen because the founders (Anglos)
believed that the gold mines would be along the Colorado River, and their town
would be the gateway. Its name no doubt influenced the naming of the state.
Initially the new country was called Jefferson Territory - until Congress
officially recognized the region in 1861 and renamed it Colorado Territory.
Some, says Gilpin, wanted it called Jefferson, some Arcadia,...I said the
people have to a great extent named the states after the great rivers of the
country...and the great feature of that country is the great Colorado River.
ARIZONA
From "The Gila: River of the Southwest", by Edwin Corle, copyright 1951.
The name "Arizona" posits a problem. There is little or no basis for
believing that Coronado in his dissapointment called it "arida zona" - arid
zone - for the words don't make sense in Spanish. But this is one version of
the source of the name, and it persists.
Another explanation accepted (but rarely) is that Arizona came from the
Aztec word "Arizuma", meaning "rich in silver".
Historian James Harvey McClintock states that, "There is no doubt that
Arizona was named after some springs near Banera, 8 miles south of the border,
and about 85 miles below Tucson." These springs are called "Aleh-zon" by the
Papago Indians, meaning "small spring". This explanation is accepted by most
contemporary historians. The word itself first came into use about 1755, and
because its euphony allows it to roll easily off Spanish or English tongues, it
gradually supplanted the more clumsy Pimeria Alta and Apacheria.
In 1854, when it was first suggested that the area be made a territory in
its own right apart from New Mexico, 3 possible names were suggested: Pimeria,
Gadsdonia and Arizona. The last was selected.
When he heard of a meeting in Tucson for the purpose of seeking separate
territorial status for Arizona, he saw it as a means of escape. Actually, the
meeting in Tucson was not the first attempt to separate form New Mexico, but
the second. The US attorney for new Mexico, William C Jones, had called a
meeting in Mesilla, New Mexico (present Las Cruces), during the summer of 1856.
A petition to Congress resulted, siged by 57 persons, requesting that Arizona
be separated from New Mexico along the 34th parallel. At the urging of Potson,
the name Arizona was used for this proposed territory
NEVADA
How the territory, which in answer to so many prayers was organized out of
western Utah on the 2nd of March, 1861, came to be called simply Nevada, snowy,
is not altogether clear. When Delegate Crane (Anglo) wrote to his constituents
from Washington in February 1858, he assured them that a territorial government
was about to be established under the name of Sierra Nevada. on the 12th on
May, 1859, a bill was introduced in the house to organize the territory of
Nevada. The assembly, which met at Genoa in December 1859 was reported as the
first legislature of the "territory of Nevada". At a later period, when Nevada
was applying for admission as a state, motions were made in convention to
change the name to Washoe, Humboldt, and Esmeralda. Sierra Plata, silver
mountains, was mentioned in debate in allusion to its mineralogical features,
but it came in competition with Oro Plata, gold and silver, and even with
Bullion. Having escaped all these perils of nomenclature, it remains simply
snowy-white Nevada.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<If you look at any map you will see that the overwhelming majority of
place-names are Anglo>>
actually, they have Spansih names but were founded by Anglos.
Santa Maria
incorporated 1905. The site was purchased by American settlers in 1837 and was
surveyed in 1874. Santa Maria was known as Central City until 1885, when it was
renamed to reflect the area's Spanish heritage.
Santa Ana, California
In 1869, William H. Spurgeon purchased 70 acres from the Yorba family and
plotted a townsite. The new town was given the name Santa Ana. In 1886, Santa
Ana was incorporated as a city. Orange County was separated from Los Angeles
County in 1889 and Santa Ana was made the County seat
SALINAS, California
The name of the city is Spanish for "salt marshes," which are found along the
Salinas River.
In 1867 Alberto Trescony, Alan Riker and William Jackson formed a partnership
with cattle rancher Eugene Sherwood and laid out a city plan of a half-square
mile.
Two years later the name was changed to the "City of Salinas" and incorporated.
Salinas evolved from the purchase of two ranchos (Rancho Nacional and Rancho
Sausal) and the business dealings of two early settlers (James Bryant Hill and
Jacob Leese).
SACRAMENTO, California
founded by Swiss immigrant John Sutter in 1839 and named after the Sacramento
River which the city was founded on. A German-born Swiss businessman, Sutter
arrived in San Francisco in 1839 and obtained an enormous grant of 48,000 acres
at the junction of the Sacramento and American Rivers, where he established
"New Helvetia," a settlement with a fort, orchards, vineyards, and wheatfields.
SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA
Land developers laid out the community in 1875. Santa Monica was incorporated
in 1886.
Col. Robert S. Baker, who originally thought the area would make a good sheep
ranch, purchased the land in the early 1870's. On July 10, 1870, millionaire
gold-and-silver miner Senator John P. Jones partnered with Baker to have the
Los Angeles County Recorders office officially record the site of Santa Monica.
SAN LEANDRO, CALIFORNIA
In 1849 the Gold Rush struck California, and thousands journeyed to the state
in search of wealth and prosperity. However, many who were not successful in
the gold fields soon moved on to the Bay Area, and settled in the San Leandro
area. As a result of this increased settlement, in 1855 John Ward, the
son-in-law of Joaquin Estudillo, filed a map of a townsite to be called San
Leandro with the County government. San Leandro was incorporated as a town on
March 21,1872.
San Ramon, California
American settlers came to San Ramon in 1850, when Leo Norris purchased 4,450
acres from Don Amador. He and his partner William Lynch built the first frame
house (made of redwoods from Oakland) and planted the first barley crop. In
1852 Joel and Minerva Fowler Harlan built their first home on today's county
line; James Dougherty bought 10,000 acres from Amador; and Major Samuel Russel
settled on 600 acres near Norris Canyon.
Many of the people who founded San Ramon are remembered today because their
names grace various canyons, hills and streets. Some of these pioneers were
Norris, Lynch, Harlan, McCamley, Crow, Cox, Bollinger, Fereira, Boone, Meese,
Glass and Wiedemann.
San Pedro, California
In 1899, Edward Muller, a prominent founding citizen of San Pedro built a home
at First and Front Street for his parents who resided in Wilmington. They
choose not to move to the new home. William Muller purchased the home in 1901.
San Bernardino, California
The stealing continued, however, until a company of nearly 500 Mormons arrived
in the valley in 1851, making camp at the mouth of a creek which flowed briskly
through the valley to the Santa Ana River.
Juan Cortina
> "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> news:f69a6a76.03082...@posting.google.com...
> > >
Doogie states: "It isn't, for example, the largest cash crop in
tonnage or by any other measure." Right Doogie, take my avocado tree
for example, it's the tallest tree in the neighborhood by height but
it certainly isn't the TALLEST one by WEIGHT or any other measure.
That's brilliant Doogie! ROFLMAO. And you worry about "unqualified"
minorities, you're so complex Doogie! In any case marihuana can't be
the largest cash crop in a country with the agricultural production of
the US, by growing a few pounds here and there. I'm still waiting for
an explanation for how this can occur in the "incorruptible" US.
>
> > Here are a few more facts for you to evade, according to the 2001
> > National Household Survey on Drug Abuse 83 million Americans (37% of
> > the population) age 12 or older had used marihuana at least once.
>
> I'm shocked...shocked...
Personally, I couldn't care less if 100% of Americans were high 100%
of the time. The issue isn't what shocks you the issue is corruption;
an issue you keep evading!
>
> > According to the National Vital Statistics Reports (2001) 22.4% of
> > High School seniors had used marihuana in the previous month.
>
> More *shocking* news ...
Heck boy! If you wanted to be shocked I would have directed you to
alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless (or something like that) where you can
see guys eating feces directly from someone else's anus. Then again,
maybe that wouldn't shock you either, maybe you eat feces directly
from someone else's anus every day.
>
> > While
> > under US occupation Afghanistan has become the largest producer of
> > heroine in the world.
>
> It been either the largest or second largest producer of heroin
> for ... what? ... about 40 years?
Fair enough, but are you telling me that the "incorruptible" Americans
aren't any better than the corrupt Afghans? Heck, that's what I've
been trying to tell you all along! In any case, under the previous
government, Afghanistan wasn't the world's largest producer of
heroine. Under the current US occupation it is! Your explanation
amounts to a pile of manure!
>
> > >
> > > Now you refer to my knowledge of Mexicans as if it has something
> > > to do with my knowledge of drug use in the US. I know a couple
> > > of things that might join the two; that is, that Mexicans are hugely
> > > in the drug smuggling and distribution business in this country.
> > > Is that what you're referring to?
> >
> > There you go boy! See, you're not as ignorant as you think you are! Go
> > ahead pat yourself on the back! Now, can you explain how those nasty
> > Mexicans manage to smuggle and distribute such huge amounts of drugs
> > to the people of such an "incorruptible" country?
>
> You ought to read again what I wrote and then revise
> your response accordingly, that is, if you can think
> clearly enough to do so.
Your earlier response, just as your current one, doesn't explain how
those nasty Mexicans manage to smuggle and distribute such huge
amounts of drugs to the people of such an "incorruptible" country? You
have once more evaded the issue!
>
> > Furthermore, please
> > tell us what is the tonnage or street value of the drugs smuggled by
> > Mexicans, what percentage of the US drug trade is in the hands of
> > Mexicans, etc., . . . "you know, provide some relevancy to your
> > assertion."
>
> "Hugely involved" is sufficient.
I see you cannot or will not do what you demand from others. The mark
of an idiot and a scumbag!
>
>
> > > That's a bizzare conclusion, but then you're a Mexican,
> > > aren't you.
> >
> > That's right, Doogie, you have a perfect explanation for the
> > persistence of the "illegal immigration" problem in the US, one that
> > doesn't involve the corruption of US authorities, you just don't want
> > to tell me what it is, right boy? What are you . . . a five-year old?
> >
> > Perhaps, now you would also like to claim that you have no knowledge
> > of an "illegal immigration" problem in the US.
>
> The problem begins with Mexico being a shithole that millions of
> Mexicans wish to escape. The problem continues with a comparative
> handful of American employers who hire the Mexicans. The problem
> is aggravated by competitors of that handful of employers who must
> also hire cheap Mexican labor or go out of business ... The problem
> is probably too complex for you to grasp, isn't it.
>
I wasn't asking for the cause of the problem or an exposition of the
problem. I was asking you to explain how "incorruptibility" and
allowing this to happen are compatible. Now I'll quote you: "But you
apparently aren't bright enough to keep up with the logic of the
discussion, are you."
Or does this constitute your acknowledgment that the persistence of
the problem indicates widespread corruption on the part of the people
who hire the "illegals" and the government?
Oh! I see, now you don't want to tell me what the explanation is, not
because you're a sophomore but because "the problem is probably too
complex" for me to grasp! LOL. More evasion from Doogie!
> > >
> > > So you want a telling of the entire history of Mexico and also
> > > its current events?
> >
> >
> > Heck boy, if you keep this up, we're going to start thinking you're,
> > one of those "unqualified" minorities you complain about. You made
> > the statement: "In Mexico, corruption and the corrupt are the law."
> > I've never asked for the "entire history of Mexico and also its
> > current events." I'm just asking you to cite corrupt Mexican laws and
> > instances of legalized corruption in Mexico . . . "you know, provide
> > some relevancy to your assertion." Do you think you can manage that or
> > will you continue to hide behind empty rhetoric?
>
> You might start with PEMEX, and then look into why former
> Mexican presidents are referred to as the "millionaires club," even
> though many weren't millionaries upon entering office, and work
> your way down to the street cops taking bribes and the telephone
> installer who needs a bit of mordida to hook up your house.
> But then you don't really need to be enlightened about what
> is common knowledge among all Mexicans, do you.
Doogie, continues to evade. Heck Doogie, I'm starting to think that
your anus isn't moist and gooey from watching a Chuck Norris film but
out of sheer fear! You still haven't cited a single corrupt Mexican
law or instance of legalized corruption!
Some paragraphs above, you seemed to have been excusing the actions of
Americans who hired "illegals" on the grounds of their economic
necessity yet you're chastising telephone installers and street cops,
who far more convincingly, could argue economic hardship. This is the
same old nonsense we get from guys like you all the time, i.e. double
standards, self-serving definitions. Essentially, your definition of
corruption is:
1) What Mexicans (and others) do.
2) Not what Americans do.
I can give you examples of bribes in the US too; you just don't call
them bribes. For example, I recall a US university, which had a campus
wide prohibition on alcohol, yet the people in the stadium boxes could
consume alcohol. The only difference between the students in the dorms
and the people in the boxes was that the price of the box included a
hefty bribe to the university to be able to consume alcohol and the
price of the dorm rooms didn't. Of course, the word bribe wasn't
mentioned anywhere but everyone knew what was going on despite the,
Doogie like, rationalizations of the administration. Such examples are
not an aberration in the US, they are, on the contrary, quite
commonplace and widespread and take many different forms.
>
> > > Thanks. I'll look into it. But your assertions here that
> corruption
> > > in the US in any way approaches the institutionalized, chronic, and
> > > intrinsic corruption in Mexico is a hilarious stretch of fact and
> reason.
> >
> >
> > When you start providing us with facts, when you start learning about
> > your own country and when you start addressing the points I've made,
> > then your statement might amount to something. As of now, it is merely
> > a pathetic and unsuccessful attempt at breaking wind.
>
> So then in your view Mexico is not corrupt, but the US is. I see.
> Hilarious.
Doogie, you're showing off your five-year old reading skills, again!
Or worse, you're intentionally imputing to me what I have never stated
nor implied, to then attack it. I challenge you to quote anything I've
written that even comes close to implying that in my view Mexico isn't
corrupt!
The problem with you Doogie, is that you don't know jack about Mexico
or Mexicans, the extent of your knowledge is what you have read in
these newsgroups from other Americans. You've never lived in Mexico
nor read any significant body of literature about Mexico. To make
matters worse you don't even know that much about your own country;
all of this compounded with the fact that as an American of the gooey
anus persuasion you have a pathological need to deny that there could
possibly be anything wrong with your country, renders you utterly
incapable of "proving" your point. You are a one-trick dog, which is
to stick your head up your rectum!
> And Americans wonder why Mexico is such a corrupt shithole. Thanks
> for providing a view into your mentality. Your denial goes a long way to
> explaining why Mexico is a corrupt shithole.
Denial? The only one denying anything around here is you! Having
frequently complained about "illegals" you can't even bring yourself
to acknowledge that the US authorities who allow the problem to
persist, the US employers who hire the "illegals" and the Americans
who patronize the businesses or products of the people who employ them
are soiled by the feces of corruption. Ah! The blessings of being an
American of the gooey anus persuasion, you can dive into an ocean of
feces, swim across it and come out pristine! If you don't come out
pristine you can always slip into your plaid dress and your ruby
slippers and start tapping your heels while saying: "I am pristine . .
. I am pristine . . ." Doogie, you were given the heart of the Tin
Man, the courage of the Lion and the brain of the Scarecrow. To
compensate for that all you got was a cheap imitation of Dorothy's
shoes.
Juan Cortina
I've had the opportunity to catch Ann Coulter a few times on some US
tv station. I've never heard her "engage in ideas" her specialty seems
to be cutsey "non-sequitors", like the one so popular, just a few
weeks ago, among Republicans (refering to WMD): "No one has seen
Saddam in the last two months either but no one is claiming he didn't
exist!" I'm not attributing this statement to her, I am just using it
as an example of the type of "arguments" she uses. I also have heard
her engage in name calling. The adjectives may be different but I
never noticed the Republicans shying away from name calling either.
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<The adjectives may be different but I
never noticed the Republicans shying away from name calling either.>>
But Republicans will always address the issue, liberals won't. Liberals will
end the debate right then and there if it gets too hot. They will not debate.
All they do is call you names like "racist".
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
H. Reader
"Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
news:f69a6a76.03082...@posting.google.com...
US banks? Most banks these days, when you cut them down
to the core of control, are international. They might have
US papers, but they're owned and or controlled by
a handful of multi-national financiers.
> With such mounts
> of dirty money flowing to the US what is your rationale for deciding
> that Mexico is orders of magnitude more corrupt than the US?
Assorted and endless facts.
> Do you
> really think that the US is eager to forego such amounts of money?
> Heck, the US economy would probably collapse! Frankly, on money
> laundering grounds alone, one would conclude that the US is a
> thoroughly corrupt country.
So much nonsense is so few words. Remarkable.
H. Reader
Hilarious. Thanks for demonstrating the nature of an
unqualified minority.
> > > Here are a few more facts for you to evade, according to the 2001
> > > National Household Survey on Drug Abuse 83 million Americans (37% of
> > > the population) age 12 or older had used marihuana at least once.
> >
> > I'm shocked...shocked...
>
> Personally, I couldn't care less if 100% of Americans were high 100%
> of the time. The issue isn't what shocks you the issue is corruption;
> an issue you keep evading!
So the fact that 37% of the US population has smoked marijuana
means that the country is corrupt? Hilarious.
> > > According to the National Vital Statistics Reports (2001) 22.4% of
> > > High School seniors had used marihuana in the previous month.
> >
> > More *shocking* news ...
>
> Heck boy! If you wanted to be shocked I would have directed you to
> alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless (or something like that) where you can
> see guys eating feces directly from someone else's anus.
I suppose for you Mexicans, that's an endless source of
fascination, isn't it.
> Then again,
> maybe that wouldn't shock you either, maybe you eat feces directly
> from someone else's anus every day.
Sorry, but I don't share your proclivity.
> > > While
> > > under US occupation Afghanistan has become the largest producer of
> > > heroine in the world.
> >
> > It been either the largest or second largest producer of heroin
> > for ... what? ... about 40 years?
>
>
> Fair enough, but are you telling me that the "incorruptible" Americans
> aren't any better than the corrupt Afghans?
Are you claiming that the Americans are growing poppies
in Afghanistan or that the US has resources to devote to
the eradication of poppy growth there?
> Heck, that's what I've
> been trying to tell you all along! In any case, under the previous
> government, Afghanistan wasn't the world's largest producer of
> heroine. Under the current US occupation it is! Your explanation
> amounts to a pile of manure!
Afghanistan has been number one or two, again, for
40 years. Evidently you miss that point.
> > > > Now you refer to my knowledge of Mexicans as if it has something
> > > > to do with my knowledge of drug use in the US. I know a couple
> > > > of things that might join the two; that is, that Mexicans are hugely
> > > > in the drug smuggling and distribution business in this country.
> > > > Is that what you're referring to?
> > >
> > > There you go boy! See, you're not as ignorant as you think you are! Go
> > > ahead pat yourself on the back! Now, can you explain how those nasty
> > > Mexicans manage to smuggle and distribute such huge amounts of drugs
> > > to the people of such an "incorruptible" country?
> >
> > You ought to read again what I wrote and then revise
> > your response accordingly, that is, if you can think
> > clearly enough to do so.
>
> Your earlier response, just as your current one, doesn't explain how
> those nasty Mexicans manage to smuggle and distribute such huge
> amounts of drugs to the people of such an "incorruptible" country? You
> have once more evaded the issue!
So you want the obvious explained to you? Mexicans smuggle
drugs. They also manufacture certain drugs in this country. Networks
of Mexicans distribute those drugs. Law enforcement pursues them.
Maybe you know someone who can explain it in greater detail for you.
> > > Furthermore, please
> > > tell us what is the tonnage or street value of the drugs smuggled by
> > > Mexicans, what percentage of the US drug trade is in the hands of
> > > Mexicans, etc., . . . "you know, provide some relevancy to your
> > > assertion."
> >
> > "Hugely involved" is sufficient.
>
> I see you cannot or will not do what you demand from others. The mark
> of an idiot and a scumbag!
And you, evidently, are a semi-literate.
> > > > That's a bizzare conclusion, but then you're a Mexican,
> > > > aren't you.
> > >
> > > That's right, Doogie, you have a perfect explanation for the
> > > persistence of the "illegal immigration" problem in the US, one that
> > > doesn't involve the corruption of US authorities, you just don't want
> > > to tell me what it is, right boy? What are you . . . a five-year old?
> > >
> > > Perhaps, now you would also like to claim that you have no knowledge
> > > of an "illegal immigration" problem in the US.
> >
> > The problem begins with Mexico being a shithole that millions of
> > Mexicans wish to escape. The problem continues with a comparative
> > handful of American employers who hire the Mexicans. The problem
> > is aggravated by competitors of that handful of employers who must
> > also hire cheap Mexican labor or go out of business ... The problem
> > is probably too complex for you to grasp, isn't it.
> >
>
> I wasn't asking for the cause of the problem or an exposition of the
> problem. I was asking you to explain how "incorruptibility" and
> allowing this to happen are compatible. Now I'll quote you: "But you
> apparently aren't bright enough to keep up with the logic of the
> discussion, are you."
If that's your way of claiming to practice logic, then think again.
> Or does this constitute your acknowledgment that the persistence of
> the problem indicates widespread corruption on the part of the people
> who hire the "illegals" and the government?
Widespread? I completely acknowledge that campaign donations
from unscrupulous employers and industries are hugely responsible
for our immigration laws not being enforced. Are you claiming
that corruption in the US is in any way comparable to
the pervasive corruption of all of Mexico?
I read the rest of your post and it really is too scatalogical
and just plain silly to bother with. What is it with you Mexicans
and your fascination with bodily functions?
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
inventions?
Surley there has got to be some.
What is the invention Hispanicks are most proud of?
What achievement are Hispanicks most proud of?
I think Anglos would be most proud of sending men to the moon and of creating
modern, prosperous societies that the rest of the world is desperate to sneak
into. Am I correct, H Reader?
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
David Eduardo
Take a peek at the patents applied for in the last 5 years by Intel. A third
of them have Hispanic surnames on them.
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<Take a peek at the patents applied for in the last 5 years by Intel. A third
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Hispanicks?!
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eli...@free.fr
Yes dear friends, "Hispanics" (whatever that means) and Spaniards and
Mexicans we know we are less than nothing and we thanks God because he
aloud us to live and pray and be thankful for the greatness of our Masters
and guides, the "Anglos" (again, whatever that means).
Ossana El Señor (blanco, of course)!
Y puse una veladora para que se le descomponga su computadora a este señor
de nombre tan largo y espiritu tan corto ya para que no este "polucionando"
este foro.
Me gano, me convencio, despues de que lo leo, me convenci que si soy menos
que nada.
Y les invito a que ya ni los pelemos, es inutil.
Y otra vez Ossanna ¿a ver si se va a la chingada? ;-}}
On 25 Aug 2003 01:58:12 GMT, Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<sam...@aol.com> wrote:
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David Eduardo
> Davo Glison says:
> <<Take a peek at the patents applied for in the last 5 years by Intel. A
third
> of them have Hispanick surnames on them.>>
>
> http://www.intel.com/pressroom/execbios.htm?iid=cmpnyinfo+nav_execbios&
> Corporate Officers:
> Andrew S. Grove
> Chairman of the Board
P-A-T-E-N-T-S. Not executives.
Ray S. Elizondo
times, in the last 4 years.
I want "She" and her supporters, H. Reader, and some others, to read this:
I have the original patents from my father, Rodolfo Elizondo, everything he
invented he patented in Mexico, USA and Canada.
One of the main inventions, was the FIRST signaling electric lamps for the
railroad, before they used acetylene lamps. if anyone wants to see this
patent from Washington, DC, I will be glad to send them at least two or
three of the pages, including the diagram of the lamp. I was lucky to keep
some of his patents. He invented among other things, the first women's hear
curling electrical devices, I also have a patent on recreational airplanes,
for a carnival, in which every little airplane has his own propulsion with
his propeller, moved by an electrical motor. I can send a copy of this to
anyone that wants to see it. by E-mail. He also invented artificial legs, he
himself used one when he lost a leg during the revolution when he was
working for the railroad.
I think I will send a copy of the electric lamps to the fat Samoan.
"David Eduardo" <radio...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<P-A-T-E-N-T-S. Not executives.>>
OK, you tell me in your opinion what you believe are the 10 greatest Hispanick
inventions.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Juan Cortina
> "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> news:f69a6a76.03082...@posting.google.com...
> > > by individual citizens who sell to other individual citizens.
> > > It's a large cash crop because of the expense of the
> > > substance. It isn't, for example, the largest cash
> > > crop in tonnage or by any other measure, and
> > > it isn't run as a kind of underground institution
> > > by the institution of government. In other words,
> > > it isn't like the Mexican oil industry, if you know
> > > what I mean, and I'm pretty sure you do.
> >
> > Doogie states: "It isn't, for example, the largest cash crop in
> > tonnage or by any other measure." Right Doogie, take my avocado tree
> > for example, it's the tallest tree in the neighborhood by height but
> > it certainly isn't the TALLEST one by WEIGHT or any other measure.
> > That's brilliant Doogie! ROFLMAO. And you worry about "unqualified"
> > minorities, you're so complex Doogie! In any case marihuana can't be
> > the largest cash crop in a country with the agricultural production of
> > the US, by growing a few pounds here and there. I'm still waiting for
> > an explanation for how this can occur in the "incorruptible" US.
>
> Hilarious. Thanks for demonstrating the nature of an
> unqualified minority.
>
Having been caught with his garter belt and stockings on, Doogie
decides to act cool and go on the offensive! Yeah! That's the ticket .
. . act cool and go on the offensive: "no, I ain't wearing no
stockings . . . you're the one wearing stockings"! ROFLMAO. Don't you
wish you were the only one reading this thread? Or was that a
confession?
> > > I'm shocked...shocked...
> >
> > Personally, I couldn't care less if 100% of Americans were high 100%
> > of the time. The issue isn't what shocks you the issue is corruption;
> > an issue you keep evading!
>
> So the fact that 37% of the US population has smoked marijuana
> means that the country is corrupt? Hilarious.
What I'm claiming is that when you add up all the little acts of
corruption and all the big acts of corruption (Enron, Wolrldcomm,
money laundering, etc) you get a whole lot of corruption! But as we
all know, whatever Americans do is, by "definition", not corrupt.
>
> > > > According to the National Vital Statistics Reports (2001) 22.4% of
> > > > High School seniors had used marihuana in the previous month.
> > >
> > > More *shocking* news ...
> >
> > Heck boy! If you wanted to be shocked I would have directed you to
> > alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless (or something like that) where you can
> > see guys eating feces directly from someone else's anus.
>
> I suppose for you Mexicans, that's an endless source of
> fascination, isn't it.
Actually, I was using it as an example of "shocking" behavior, but
like I said you're a one-trick dog!
>
> > Then again,
> > maybe that wouldn't shock you either, maybe you eat feces directly
> > from someone else's anus every day.
>
> Sorry, but I don't share your proclivity.
>
I forgot! You can bend all the way over, stick your head up your
rectum and suck your own feces out; you don't need anyone else. What
was I thinking? Heck, Doogie . . . I just thought about it, I'm really
sorry about my insensitivity. I really didn't mean to belittle your
little trick by implying that you needed someone else to perform such
a feat.
> > >
> > > It been either the largest or second largest producer of heroin
> > > for ... what? ... about 40 years?
> >
> >
> > Fair enough, but are you telling me that the "incorruptible" Americans
> > aren't any better than the corrupt Afghans?
>
> Are you claiming that the Americans are growing poppies
> in Afghanistan or that the US has resources to devote to
> the eradication of poppy growth there?
You just keep going back to the only trick you know. I'm claiming
they're allowing it to happen, and they're not doing it because
they're worried about the constitutional rights of the Afghans. If
they don't have the resources to eradicate the poppy fields there, it
is because they don't want to. This is the best chance they've ever
had to destroy the poppy fields and they have chosen not to do it.
They are either stupid or corrupt!
>
> > Heck, that's what I've
> > been trying to tell you all along! In any case, under the previous
> > government, Afghanistan wasn't the world's largest producer of
> > heroine. Under the current US occupation it is! Your explanation
> > amounts to a pile of manure!
>
> Afghanistan has been number one or two, again, for
> 40 years. Evidently you miss that point.
Fine, so the "incorruptible" Americans are no better at destroying the
poppy fields than the corrupt Afghans. That suits me fine.
>
> > > You ought to read again what I wrote and then revise
> > > your response accordingly, that is, if you can think
> > > clearly enough to do so.
> >
> > Your earlier response, just as your current one, doesn't explain how
> > those nasty Mexicans manage to smuggle and distribute such huge
> > amounts of drugs to the people of such an "incorruptible" country? You
> > have once more evaded the issue!
>
> So you want the obvious explained to you? Mexicans smuggle
> drugs. They also manufacture certain drugs in this country. Networks
> of Mexicans distribute those drugs. Law enforcement pursues them.
> Maybe you know someone who can explain it in greater detail for you.
You're back to your trick, Dorothy!
Anyway, let me see if I understand your explanation. Those Mexican
Supermen (not to mention the Colombians, and the Jamaicans and . . . )
manage to smuggle, "manufacture" and distribute huge amounts of drugs
in the US escaping the detection of "the best damn Border Patrol
agents in the world" and "the best damn Drug Enforcement agents in the
world" and "the best damn local police in the world"; who have the
"best damn equipment in the world", without soiling anyone but
themselves with corruption. Unfortunately for them, a mysterious
transformation occurs when they cross the border back into Mexico; as
if affected by kryptonite, their powers vanish; suddenly they find
themselves unable to evade the "crappy Mexican military" and the
"crappy Mexican judiciales" with their "crappy equipment". Without
their powers they're forced to pay huge bribes to the Mexican military
and judiciales. Of course, if they were smart they would just move
their whole operation to the US, where the "best damn law enforcement
personnel in the world" cannot prevent marihuana from being the US'
largest cash crop; heck they can't even control drugs within their
prisons! Better yet, they would move their operation to Afghanistan!
>
> > > > Furthermore, please
> > > > tell us what is the tonnage or street value of the drugs smuggled by
> > > > Mexicans, what percentage of the US drug trade is in the hands of
> > > > Mexicans, etc., . . . "you know, provide some relevancy to your
> > > > assertion."
> > >
> > > "Hugely involved" is sufficient.
> >
> > I see you cannot or will not do what you demand from others. The mark
> > of an idiot and a scumbag!
>
> And you, evidently, are a semi-literate.
>
I have to ask, are you judging my literacy based on my ability to read
and write, or is it based on my "tonnage or some other measure"? LMAO.
> > >
> > > The problem begins with Mexico being a shithole that millions of
> > > Mexicans wish to escape. The problem continues with a comparative
> > > handful of American employers who hire the Mexicans. The problem
> > > is aggravated by competitors of that handful of employers who must
> > > also hire cheap Mexican labor or go out of business ... The problem
> > > is probably too complex for you to grasp, isn't it.
> > >
> >
> > I wasn't asking for the cause of the problem or an exposition of the
> > problem. I was asking you to explain how "incorruptibility" and
> > allowing this to happen are compatible. Now I'll quote you: "But you
> > apparently aren't bright enough to keep up with the logic of the
> > discussion, are you."
>
> If that's your way of claiming to practice logic, then think again.
Your trick is getting boring!
>
> > Or does this constitute your acknowledgment that the persistence of
> > the problem indicates widespread corruption on the part of the people
> > who hire the "illegals" and the government?
>
> Widespread? I completely acknowledge that campaign donations
> from unscrupulous employers and industries are hugely responsible
> for our immigration laws not being enforced. Are you claiming
> that corruption in the US is in any way comparable to
> the pervasive corruption of all of Mexico?
By "unscrupulous" do you mean corrupt, or are you still stubbornly
refusing to acknowledge corruption? Since your utter ignorance about
Mexico and your own country has rendered you incapable of showing
otherwise; and until someone tells me why the biggest money laundering
country in the world and the biggest beneficiary of "dirty money"
deposits in the world (to the tune of as much as half a trillion
dollars annually) shouldn't be considered a thoroughly corrupt country
. . . I am claiming that both countries are thoroughly corrupt! If you
find some solace in telling yourself that you're much cleaner than the
"nasty" Mexicans because you're swimming in a sea of corruption
whereas Mexicans are swimming in an ocean of corruption, so be it. I
didn't expect any different from an American of the gooey anus
persuasion.
>
> I read the rest of your post and it really is too scatalogical
> and just plain silly to bother with. What is it with you Mexicans
> and your fascination with bodily functions?
>
Oh, Heck! And here I was, thinking you were the one who brought up the
"pit of shit" and the one who loves to talk about "shitholes". It must
have been your other personality . . .you know, Dorothy the one who
likes to wear stockings! I guess an ocean of feces is just too much
for Dorothy's virgin eyes! BTW, since I've sort of taken you under my
wing I feel obligated to tell you that it's spelled "scatological".
I confess that perhaps the last few sntences in my previous posting
were silly and even corny. I would have left them out . . . but they
describe you so damn accurately! I just had to leave them in there.
In any case, I see you're not up to the challenge. Unlike Dr. Magidin,
I cannot thank you for playing, but thanks for signing up, even if you
didn't show up for the match.
>
>
Oscar Gonzalez
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H. Reader
See above.
>
> > > > I'm shocked...shocked...
> > >
> > > Personally, I couldn't care less if 100% of Americans were high 100%
> > > of the time. The issue isn't what shocks you the issue is corruption;
> > > an issue you keep evading!
> >
> > So the fact that 37% of the US population has smoked marijuana
> > means that the country is corrupt? Hilarious.
>
> What I'm claiming is that when you add up all the little acts of
> corruption and all the big acts of corruption (Enron, Wolrldcomm,
> money laundering, etc) you get a whole lot of corruption! But as we
> all know, whatever Americans do is, by "definition", not corrupt.
First of all, genius, my claim that Mexico is chronically and stinkingly
corrupt is not to say that corruption doesn't occur in the US or
elsewhere. Second, corruption in the US and elsewhere tends
to be exposed and prosecuted rather than institutionalized, as
in Mexico. And finally, Mexico is the most corrupt nation
in the Western Hemisphere, and your responses certainly
reveal the mentality that allows it to be so.
> > > > > According to the National Vital Statistics Reports (2001) 22.4% of
> > > > > High School seniors had used marihuana in the previous month.
> > > >
> > > > More *shocking* news ...
> > >
> > > Heck boy! If you wanted to be shocked I would have directed you to
> > > alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless (or something like that) where you can
> > > see guys eating feces directly from someone else's anus.
> >
> > I suppose for you Mexicans, that's an endless source of
> > fascination, isn't it.
>
>
> Actually, I was using it as an example of "shocking" behavior, but
> like I said you're a one-trick dog!
Is that your explanation for your bizarre perversity?
> > > Then again,
> > > maybe that wouldn't shock you either, maybe you eat feces directly
> > > from someone else's anus every day.
> >
> > Sorry, but I don't share your proclivity.
> I forgot! You can bend all the way over, stick your head up your
> rectum and suck your own feces out; you don't need anyone else. What
> was I thinking? Heck, Doogie . . . I just thought about it, I'm really
> sorry about my insensitivity. I really didn't mean to belittle your
> little trick by implying that you needed someone else to perform such
> a feat.
True to form, aren't you. Why are Mexicans so fixated on bodily
functions and elaborate on such perversity as if it were an expression
of wit?
> > > > It been either the largest or second largest producer of heroin
> > > > for ... what? ... about 40 years?
> > >
> > >
> > > Fair enough, but are you telling me that the "incorruptible" Americans
> > > aren't any better than the corrupt Afghans?
> >
> > Are you claiming that the Americans are growing poppies
> > in Afghanistan or that the US has resources to devote to
> > the eradication of poppy growth there?
>
>
> You just keep going back to the only trick you know. I'm claiming
> they're allowing it to happen, and they're not doing it because
> they're worried about the constitutional rights of the Afghans. If
> they don't have the resources to eradicate the poppy fields there, it
> is because they don't want to. This is the best chance they've ever
> had to destroy the poppy fields and they have chosen not to do it.
> They are either stupid or corrupt!
What? Nothing about feces? Remarkable. And by the way,
are you so familiar with the strength and number of forces, with
the demands of their mission, and with circumstances and
terrain and so forth to make such positive comments?
Right. You can't even organize a decent fire drill in
Mexico, but you know how to eradicate poppy
growth in Afghanistan. Hilarious.
> > > Heck, that's what I've
> > > been trying to tell you all along! In any case, under the previous
> > > government, Afghanistan wasn't the world's largest producer of
> > > heroine. Under the current US occupation it is! Your explanation
> > > amounts to a pile of manure!
> >
> > Afghanistan has been number one or two, again, for
> > 40 years. Evidently you miss that point.
>
>
> Fine, so the "incorruptible" Americans are no better at destroying the
> poppy fields than the corrupt Afghans. That suits me fine.
Meanwhile, Mexico rots under your feet, as anyplace does
where Mexicans plant their feet...California, for example.
Have you notice how many Mexicans are in American jails. But
you parasitic assholes just keep on coming in, don't you. The greatest
mistake this country ever made was in 1847 when we neglected to
turn Mexico into a parking lot.
> > > > > Furthermore, please
> > > > > tell us what is the tonnage or street value of the drugs smuggled
by
> > > > > Mexicans, what percentage of the US drug trade is in the hands of
> > > > > Mexicans, etc., . . . "you know, provide some relevancy to your
> > > > > assertion."
> > > >
> > > > "Hugely involved" is sufficient.
> > >
> > > I see you cannot or will not do what you demand from others. The mark
> > > of an idiot and a scumbag!
> >
> > And you, evidently, are a semi-literate.
> >
>
> I have to ask, are you judging my literacy based on my ability to read
> and write, or is it based on my "tonnage or some other measure"? LMAO.
Actually, it's your inability to comprehend what you read that
is so noticeable.
> > > > The problem begins with Mexico being a shithole that millions of
> > > > Mexicans wish to escape. The problem continues with a comparative
> > > > handful of American employers who hire the Mexicans. The problem
> > > > is aggravated by competitors of that handful of employers who must
> > > > also hire cheap Mexican labor or go out of business ... The problem
> > > > is probably too complex for you to grasp, isn't it.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I wasn't asking for the cause of the problem or an exposition of the
> > > problem. I was asking you to explain how "incorruptibility" and
> > > allowing this to happen are compatible. Now I'll quote you: "But you
> > > apparently aren't bright enough to keep up with the logic of the
> > > discussion, are you."
> >
> > If that's your way of claiming to practice logic, then think again.
>
>
> Your trick is getting boring!
Again, somehow you assume that my affirming that Mexico is a
corrupt shithole without peer is to say that the US and elsewhere
are free of corruption. Please post my words to that effect. Thanks.
> > > Or does this constitute your acknowledgment that the persistence of
> > > the problem indicates widespread corruption on the part of the people
> > > who hire the "illegals" and the government?
> >
> > Widespread? I completely acknowledge that campaign donations
> > from unscrupulous employers and industries are hugely responsible
> > for our immigration laws not being enforced. Are you claiming
> > that corruption in the US is in any way comparable to
> > the pervasive corruption of all of Mexico?
>
> By "unscrupulous" do you mean corrupt, or are you still stubbornly
> refusing to acknowledge corruption? Since your utter ignorance about
> Mexico and your own country has rendered you incapable of showing
> otherwise; and until someone tells me why the biggest money laundering
> country in the world and the biggest beneficiary of "dirty money"
> deposits in the world (to the tune of as much as half a trillion
> dollars annually) shouldn't be considered a thoroughly corrupt country
> . . . I am claiming that both countries are thoroughly corrupt! If you
> find some solace in telling yourself that you're much cleaner than the
> "nasty" Mexicans because you're swimming in a sea of corruption
> whereas Mexicans are swimming in an ocean of corruption, so be it. I
> didn't expect any different from an American of the gooey anus
> persuasion.
You just can't stay away from the lower functions, can you.
Certainly the US has corruption. We just don't base
our system on it. In fact, we prosecute it. You
Mexicans enshrine it and worship it.
> > I read the rest of your post and it really is too scatalogical
> > and just plain silly to bother with. What is it with you Mexicans
> > and your fascination with bodily functions?
> >
>
> Oh, Heck! And here I was, thinking you were the one who brought up the
> "pit of shit" and the one who loves to talk about "shitholes". It must
> have been your other personality . . .you know, Dorothy the one who
> likes to wear stockings! I guess an ocean of feces is just too much
> for Dorothy's virgin eyes! BTW, since I've sort of taken you under my
> wing I feel obligated to tell you that it's spelled "scatological".
>
> I confess that perhaps the last few sntences in my previous posting
> were silly and even corny. I would have left them out . . . but they
> describe you so damn accurately! I just had to leave them in there.
>
> In any case, I see you're not up to the challenge. Unlike Dr. Magidin,
> I cannot thank you for playing, but thanks for signing up, even if you
> didn't show up for the match.
What passes for *wit* among Mexicans is funnier than you
probably think it is.
Juan Cortina
> "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> news:f69a6a76.03082...@posting.google.com...
> > > Hilarious. Thanks for demonstrating the nature of an
> > > unqualified minority.
> > >
> >
> > Having been caught with his garter belt and stockings on, Doogie
> > decides to act cool and go on the offensive! Yeah! That's the ticket .
> > . . act cool and go on the offensive: "no, I ain't wearing no
> > stockings . . . you're the one wearing stockings"! ROFLMAO. Don't you
> > wish you were the only one reading this thread? Or was that a
> > confession?
>
> See above.
You just keep playing it cool . . . maybe no one else saw your idiotic
comment.
> >
> >
> > What I'm claiming is that when you add up all the little acts of
> > corruption and all the big acts of corruption (Enron, Wolrldcomm,
> > money laundering, etc) you get a whole lot of corruption! But as we
> > all know, whatever Americans do is, by "definition", not corrupt.
>
> First of all, genius, my claim that Mexico is chronically and stinkingly
> corrupt is not to say that corruption doesn't occur in the US or
> elsewhere. Second, corruption in the US and elsewhere tends
> to be exposed and prosecuted rather than institutionalized, as
> in Mexico. And finally, Mexico is the most corrupt nation
> in the Western Hemisphere, and your responses certainly
> reveal the mentality that allows it to be so.
Your purported admission of corruption is a token admission. You have
stubbornly refused to qualify as corrupt any specific act. BTW, having
shown us that you know jack about Mexico and the US, now you show us
that you don't know jack about the "Western Hemisphere."
>
> >
> > You just keep going back to the only trick you know. I'm claiming
> > they're allowing it to happen, and they're not doing it because
> > they're worried about the constitutional rights of the Afghans. If
> > they don't have the resources to eradicate the poppy fields there, it
> > is because they don't want to. This is the best chance they've ever
> > had to destroy the poppy fields and they have chosen not to do it.
> > They are either stupid or corrupt!
>
> What? Nothing about feces? Remarkable. And by the way,
> are you so familiar with the strength and number of forces, with
> the demands of their mission, and with circumstances and
> terrain and so forth to make such positive comments?
> Right. You can't even organize a decent fire drill in
> Mexico, but you know how to eradicate poppy
> growth in Afghanistan. Hilarious.
That's right Dot, Mexicans "can't even organize a decent fire drill."
What's the Americans' excuse for not eradicating the poppy fields?
>
> >
> > You're back to your trick, Dorothy!
> >
> > Anyway, let me see if I understand your explanation. Those Mexican
> > Supermen (not to mention the Colombians, and the Jamaicans and . . . )
> > manage to smuggle, "manufacture" and distribute huge amounts of drugs
> > in the US escaping the detection of "the best damn Border Patrol
> > agents in the world" and "the best damn Drug Enforcement agents in the
> > world" and "the best damn local police in the world"; who have the
> > "best damn equipment in the world", without soiling anyone but
> > themselves with corruption. Unfortunately for them, a mysterious
> > transformation occurs when they cross the border back into Mexico; as
> > if affected by kryptonite, their powers vanish; suddenly they find
> > themselves unable to evade the "crappy Mexican military" and the
> > "crappy Mexican judiciales" with their "crappy equipment". Without
> > their powers they're forced to pay huge bribes to the Mexican military
> > and judiciales. Of course, if they were smart they would just move
> > their whole operation to the US, where the "best damn law enforcement
> > personnel in the world" cannot prevent marihuana from being the US'
> > largest cash crop; heck they can't even control drugs within their
> > prisons! Better yet, they would move their operation to Afghanistan!
>
> Have you notice how many Mexicans are in American jails. But
> you parasitic assholes just keep on coming in, don't you. The greatest
> mistake this country ever made was in 1847 when we neglected to
> turn Mexico into a parking lot.
I don't guess you would actually be able to provide some relevant
figures, would you?
>
> > > >
> > > > I wasn't asking for the cause of the problem or an exposition of the
> > > > problem. I was asking you to explain how "incorruptibility" and
> > > > allowing this to happen are compatible. Now I'll quote you: "But you
> > > > apparently aren't bright enough to keep up with the logic of the
> > > > discussion, are you."
> > >
> > > If that's your way of claiming to practice logic, then think again.
> >
> >
> > Your trick is getting boring!
>
> Again, somehow you assume that my affirming that Mexico is a
> corrupt shithole without peer is to say that the US and elsewhere
> are free of corruption. Please post my words to that effect. Thanks.
>
Are you acknowledging widespread corruption on the part of Americans
as far as the "illegal immigration" problem is concerned? If you are,
then say so! Stop hiding behind terms like "unscrupulous" or "a
handful." BTW, "unscrupulous" people giving money to "unscrupulous"
politicians to do "unscrupulous" things is how the system works in the
US.
> >
> > By "unscrupulous" do you mean corrupt, or are you still stubbornly
> > refusing to acknowledge corruption? Since your utter ignorance about
> > Mexico and your own country has rendered you incapable of showing
> > otherwise; and until someone tells me why the biggest money laundering
> > country in the world and the biggest beneficiary of "dirty money"
> > deposits in the world (to the tune of as much as half a trillion
> > dollars annually) shouldn't be considered a thoroughly corrupt country
> > . . . I am claiming that both countries are thoroughly corrupt! If you
> > find some solace in telling yourself that you're much cleaner than the
> > "nasty" Mexicans because you're swimming in a sea of corruption
> > whereas Mexicans are swimming in an ocean of corruption, so be it. I
> > didn't expect any different from an American of the gooey anus
> > persuasion.
>
> You just can't stay away from the lower functions, can you.
> Certainly the US has corruption. We just don't base
> our system on it. In fact, we prosecute it. You
> Mexicans enshrine it and worship it.
>
I guess you have finally realized the absolute stupidity of your
original statement, i.e. "In Mexico, corruption and the corrupt are
the law." After all, you have been singularly incapable of citing a
single corrupt Mexican law!
BTW, to paraphrase James 2:26, prosecution without conviction is dead,
and certainly, conviction without proportional punishment is dead,
too. Tell us how many of the Enron, WorldCom, etc. big cats have been
punished. I mean real punishment, not a few months in some country
club minimum-security prison!
Essentially, all we get from you are token admissions of corruption
and evasion.
> > > I read the rest of your post and it really is too scatalogical
> > > and just plain silly to bother with. What is it with you Mexicans
> > > and your fascination with bodily functions?
> > >
> >
> > Oh, Heck! And here I was, thinking you were the one who brought up the
> > "pit of shit" and the one who loves to talk about "shitholes". It must
> > have been your other personality . . .you know, Dorothy the one who
> > likes to wear stockings! I guess an ocean of feces is just too much
> > for Dorothy's virgin eyes! BTW, since I've sort of taken you under my
> > wing I feel obligated to tell you that it's spelled "scatological".
> >
> > I confess that perhaps the last few sntences in my previous posting
> > were silly and even corny. I would have left them out . . . but they
> > describe you so damn accurately! I just had to leave them in there.
> >
> > In any case, I see you're not up to the challenge. Unlike Dr. Magidin,
> > I cannot thank you for playing, but thanks for signing up, even if you
> > didn't show up for the match.
>
> What passes for *wit* among Mexicans is funnier than you
> probably think it is.
Tell us Dorothy, what do you find so funny? That the "literary genius"
of the newsgroup, who by the way is the same jerk who derides people
who's mother tongue isn't English for making minor grammatical
mistakes, can't spell "scatological"?
Or that the impotent little toad who uses his feigned distaste for the
scatological to avoid the issues is the same impotent little toad who
brought up the "pit of shit" and loves to talk about "shitholes"?
Or is it that the same idiot who in support of his assertions has
provided exactly ZERO figures (Oh well, you did give that little piece
of information, i.e. "Mexican presidents are referred to as the
僧illionaires club'." Which in your mind must seem like irrefutable
evidence of corruption) is the same idiot that demands that I offer
detailed plans for the eradication of the poppy fields in Afghanistan,
before I claim that the Americans are corrupt or stupid?
What is really funny is that you think your "declarations" unsupported
by anything, other than your meager "knowledge," mean something; that
your compulsive evasions fool anyone; that your disingenuous little
games constitute a stroke of debating genius.
"It's a large cash crop because of the expense of the substance. It
isn't, for example, the largest cash crop in tonnage or by any other
measure"
H. Reader
H. Reader
> "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<q9T2b.15494$vy5....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
> > "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> > news:f69a6a76.03082...@posting.google.com...
>
> > > > Hilarious. Thanks for demonstrating the nature of an
> > > > unqualified minority.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Having been caught with his garter belt and stockings on, Doogie
> > > decides to act cool and go on the offensive! Yeah! That's the ticket .
> > > . . act cool and go on the offensive: "no, I ain't wearing no
> > > stockings . . . you're the one wearing stockings"! ROFLMAO. Don't you
> > > wish you were the only one reading this thread? Or was that a
> > > confession?
> >
> > See above.
>
> You just keep playing it cool . . . maybe no one else saw your idiotic
> comment.
You, apparently, are the one who failed to understand it.
> > > What I'm claiming is that when you add up all the little acts of
> > > corruption and all the big acts of corruption (Enron, Wolrldcomm,
> > > money laundering, etc) you get a whole lot of corruption! But as we
> > > all know, whatever Americans do is, by "definition", not corrupt.
> >
> > First of all, genius, my claim that Mexico is chronically and
stinkingly
> > corrupt is not to say that corruption doesn't occur in the US or
> > elsewhere. Second, corruption in the US and elsewhere tends
> > to be exposed and prosecuted rather than institutionalized, as
> > in Mexico. And finally, Mexico is the most corrupt nation
> > in the Western Hemisphere, and your responses certainly
> > reveal the mentality that allows it to be so.
>
>
> Your purported admission of corruption is a token admission.
As my claim about Mexico had nothing to do with the US, exactly
where is the "admission?"
> You have
> stubbornly refused to qualify as corrupt any specific act. BTW, having
> shown us that you know jack about Mexico and the US, now you show us
> that you don't know jack about the "Western Hemisphere."
Hilarious. You're really a glorious fool, aren't you.
> > > You just keep going back to the only trick you know. I'm claiming
> > > they're allowing it to happen, and they're not doing it because
> > > they're worried about the constitutional rights of the Afghans. If
> > > they don't have the resources to eradicate the poppy fields there, it
> > > is because they don't want to. This is the best chance they've ever
> > > had to destroy the poppy fields and they have chosen not to do it.
> > > They are either stupid or corrupt!
> >
> > What? Nothing about feces? Remarkable. And by the way,
> > are you so familiar with the strength and number of forces, with
> > the demands of their mission, and with circumstances and
> > terrain and so forth to make such positive comments?
> > Right. You can't even organize a decent fire drill in
> > Mexico, but you know how to eradicate poppy
> > growth in Afghanistan. Hilarious.
>
> That's right Dot, Mexicans "can't even organize a decent fire drill."
> What's the Americans' excuse for not eradicating the poppy fields?
Ask the commander of the 82nd Airborne. I doubt that
he'll give a shit enough to tell you, but you can try.
Sure. How are these: 21, 159, 3, and 2,104?
> > > > > I wasn't asking for the cause of the problem or an exposition of
the
> > > > > problem. I was asking you to explain how "incorruptibility" and
> > > > > allowing this to happen are compatible. Now I'll quote you: "But
you
> > > > > apparently aren't bright enough to keep up with the logic of the
> > > > > discussion, are you."
> > > >
> > > > If that's your way of claiming to practice logic, then think
again.
> > >
> > >
> > > Your trick is getting boring!
> >
> > Again, somehow you assume that my affirming that Mexico is a
> > corrupt shithole without peer is to say that the US and elsewhere
> > are free of corruption. Please post my words to that effect. Thanks.
> >
>
> Are you acknowledging widespread corruption on the part of Americans
> as far as the "illegal immigration" problem is concerned?
No.
> If you are,
> then say so! Stop hiding behind terms like "unscrupulous" or "a
> handful." BTW, "unscrupulous" people giving money to "unscrupulous"
> politicians to do "unscrupulous" things is how the system works in the
> US.
And that situation involves a comparative handful, if you consider
that the country is populated by about 280 million Americans. Rst
assured, however, that as more and more people become more and
more aware of the situation, things will change, and they already are.
> > > By "unscrupulous" do you mean corrupt, or are you still stubbornly
> > > refusing to acknowledge corruption? Since your utter ignorance about
> > > Mexico and your own country has rendered you incapable of showing
> > > otherwise; and until someone tells me why the biggest money laundering
> > > country in the world and the biggest beneficiary of "dirty money"
> > > deposits in the world (to the tune of as much as half a trillion
> > > dollars annually) shouldn't be considered a thoroughly corrupt country
> > > . . . I am claiming that both countries are thoroughly corrupt! If you
> > > find some solace in telling yourself that you're much cleaner than the
> > > "nasty" Mexicans because you're swimming in a sea of corruption
> > > whereas Mexicans are swimming in an ocean of corruption, so be it. I
> > > didn't expect any different from an American of the gooey anus
> > > persuasion.
> >
> > You just can't stay away from the lower functions, can you.
> > Certainly the US has corruption. We just don't base
> > our system on it. In fact, we prosecute it. You
> > Mexicans enshrine it and worship it.
> >
>
> I guess you have finally realized the absolute stupidity of your
> original statement, i.e. "In Mexico, corruption and the corrupt are
> the law."
No, I'll stick by that.
> After all, you have been singularly incapable of citing a
> single corrupt Mexican law!
What Mexican law? Mexico is a nation that pretends to
have law.
> BTW, to paraphrase James 2:26, prosecution without conviction is dead,
> and certainly, conviction without proportional punishment is dead,
> too. Tell us how many of the Enron, WorldCom, etc. big cats have been
> punished. I mean real punishment, not a few months in some country
> club minimum-security prison!
Good question. Last I heard, they were under investigation
in pursuit of indictments.
> Essentially, all we get from you are token admissions of corruption
> and evasion.
>
> > > > I read the rest of your post and it really is too scatalogical
> > > > and just plain silly to bother with. What is it with you Mexicans
> > > > and your fascination with bodily functions?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Oh, Heck! And here I was, thinking you were the one who brought up the
> > > "pit of shit" and the one who loves to talk about "shitholes". It must
> > > have been your other personality . . .you know, Dorothy the one who
> > > likes to wear stockings! I guess an ocean of feces is just too much
> > > for Dorothy's virgin eyes! BTW, since I've sort of taken you under my
> > > wing I feel obligated to tell you that it's spelled "scatological".
> > >
> > > I confess that perhaps the last few sntences in my previous posting
> > > were silly and even corny. I would have left them out . . . but they
> > > describe you so damn accurately! I just had to leave them in there.
> > >
> > > In any case, I see you're not up to the challenge. Unlike Dr. Magidin,
> > > I cannot thank you for playing, but thanks for signing up, even if you
> > > didn't show up for the match.
> >
> > What passes for *wit* among Mexicans is funnier than you
> > probably think it is.
>
> Tell us Dorothy, what do you find so funny? That the "literary genius"
> of the newsgroup, who by the way is the same jerk who derides people
> who's mother tongue isn't English for making minor grammatical
> mistakes, can't spell "scatological"?
And you also need work with punctuation.
> Or that the impotent little toad who uses his feigned distaste for the
> scatological to avoid the issues is the same impotent little toad who
> brought up the "pit of shit" and loves to talk about "shitholes"?
Rarely and only figurtively. You Mexicans, on the other hand,
seem to entertain the most wishful and vivid fantasies about it and
it seems to be the exclusive object of your attention. You are,
in short, fixated. Congratulations. It's sick, but you're good at it.
> Or is it that the same idiot who in support of his assertions has
> provided exactly ZERO figures (Oh well, you did give that little piece
> of information, i.e. "Mexican presidents are referred to as the
> 'millionaires club'." Which in your mind must seem like irrefutable
> evidence of corruption) is the same idiot that demands that I offer
> detailed plans for the eradication of the poppy fields in Afghanistan,
> before I claim that the Americans are corrupt or stupid?
>
> What is really funny is that you think your "declarations" unsupported
> by anything, other than your meager "knowledge," mean something; that
> your compulsive evasions fool anyone; that your disingenuous little
> games constitute a stroke of debating genius.
So then you deny that Mexico is corrupt, top to very bottom?
I see. Add delusional to the list of your pathologies.
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
Tusi = stories
tala = orator
vai = water
lima = 5
Put it together and you get "the orator of stories that lived at the five
waters", aka: Robert louis Stevenson. Lived at the junction of 5 rivers in
Samoa.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
BULLSHIT! Now for the true story opf who invented the submarine:
SUBMARINE
The first known treatise on submarines was written in 1578. Published by
William Bourne in his "Inventions or Devices", the document describes a ship
with two hulls, the outer made of wood and the inner made of leather. While no
record exists concerning its manufacture, the ship, according to Bourne, could
be submerged or raised by taking in or expelling water from between the double
hulls. The first known submarine to be built was that of Dutch inventor
Cornelius Drebbel, which consisted of greased leather over a wooden framework.
It was propelled either on or beneath the surface by eight oars sealed thru the
sides with leather flaps. It was, however, unable to make deep descents.
Others such as English carpenters Symons and Day, included ballast systems
on their submarines to permit descents.
Perhaps the most successful early submarine was designed by American Robert
Fulton. Fulton felt that a device capable of neutralizing the effectiveness of
warships would end war altogether. By 1801, he had managed to complete a
submarine on his own. A 21 ft. vessel with a two-bladed propeller, the Nautilus
performed well in tests, even sinking a ship with an explosive charge.
Early submarines. The first workable submarine was a wooden rowboat covered
with waterproof hides. The builder, a Dutch scientist named Cornelius van
Drebbel, demonstrated his invention in England about 1620. Designers
constructed many undersea craft during the next century. But little use was
made of such ships until the Revolutionary War in America (1775-1783). During
that war, David Bushnell, a student at Yale College, designed the Turtle, a
one-man submarine powered by a hand-cranked propeller. In 1776, the Turtle
failed in an attempt to sink a British warship in New York Harbor. This mission
was the first known attack by a submarine.
In 1800, the American inventor Robert Fulton built the Nautilus, a
copper-covered submarine 21 feet (6.4 meters) long. Fulton tried to sell the
Nautilus to France and the United Kingdom. But neither nation showed much
interest in it, even though it sank several ships in demonstrations.
During the American Civil War (1861-1865), the Confederate submarine Hunley
became the first underwater vessel to sink a ship in wartime. The Hunley
carried an explosive attached to a long pole on its bow. In 1864, it rammed the
Union ship Housatonic in Charleston Harbor off the coast of South Carolina. The
explosion sank the Housatonic, but the Hunley went to the bottom with its
victim. In 1995, a U.S. search team found the wreckage of the Hunley. The
vessel was raised in 2000 and was brought to a Charleston laboratory to be
restored. After the restoration, which will take several years, the Hunley will
be displayed at the Charleston Museum.
In 1898, the American inventor John P. Holland launched a 53-foot (16-meter)
submarine powered by a gasoline engine and electric batteries. It could reach a
speed of 6 knots submerged. The U.S. Navy bought this ship—its first
submarine—in 1900 and named it the U.S.S. Holland.
Simon Lake, another American, invented the submarine periscope in 1902. His
periscope used magnifying lenses that enabled a submerged submarine to sight
distant targets. Lake also built submarines with wheels so they could roll
along the bottom of the sea. In 1908, the United Kingdom launched the first
diesel-powered submarine. Its engines were more powerful, cost less to operate,
and produced fewer dangerous fumes than did gasoline engines. Most submarines
used diesel engines until the development of nuclear power in the 1950's.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
BULLSHIT again! Here is the real story of the development of the helicopter.
Senyor Cierva is nowhere to be found.
Development of the helicopter
Early designs and experiments. The earliest known mention of a rotor-powered
flying machine appears in a Chinese text written about A.D. 320. The design of
this machine may have been based on a Chinese toy called the flying top. Such
toys flew by means of feather rotors. In 1483, the great Italian artist and
scientist Leonardo da Vinci sketched a design for a helicopter. It had a large,
screwlike wing made of starched linen. In 1784, two Frenchmen known only by
their last names, Launoy and Bienvenu, built the first model helicopter in
Europe that could fly. Based on the Chinese flying top, it had two rotors made
of feathers. Throughout the 1800's, inventors in Europe and the United States
experimented with model helicopters. The steam engines and electric motors of
that time were too weak or too heavy to power a full-sized helicopter.
By the early 1900's, small, powerful gasoline engines had been developed that
made human helicopter flight possible. The first piloted flight took place in
1907. The craft was a four-rotor helicopter built by Louis Breguet, a French
inventor. The helicopter lifted one of Breguet's assistants about 2 feet (60
centimeters) into the air for a minute. Assistants on the ground steadied the
helicopter during the flight. Later in 1907, a French mechanic named Paul Cornu
made the first free flight in a helicopter. He flew his tandem-rotor aircraft
to a height of about 6 feet (1.8 meters) for about 20 seconds.
The first practical helicopters. Early helicopters were difficult to control,
and their flight was wobbly. In 1935, Breguet and another Frenchman, Rene
Dorand, built a coaxial-rotor helicopter that was easier to control and flew
far more steadily. In 1936, Henrich Focke, a German inventor, built a
twin-rotor helicopter that was even further advanced. The following year, it
reached a speed of 76 miles (122 kilometers) per hour and an altitude of about
8,000 feet (2,400 meters). It could stay aloft for 1 hour and 20 minutes.
The first flight of a practical single-rotor helicopter took place in the
United States in 1939. The craft was built and flown by Igor I. Sikorsky, a
Russian engineer who had moved to the United States in 1919. The British and
the U.S. armed forces used an improved version of Sikorsky's helicopter during
World War II (1939-1945).
Further improvements. During the mid-1900's, the military use of helicopters
began to increase greatly, which led to major improvements in their design.
Helicopters had been used mainly for patrol and rescue missions in World War
II. New tasks for the helicopter during the Korean War (1950-1953) included
armed observation of the enemy and the transportation of troops and supplies to
hard-to-reach areas. During the Vietnam War (1957-1975), thousands of armed
U.S. attack helicopters, also called gunships, flew combat missions. During the
Persian Gulf wars of 1991 and 2003, the U.S. military used helicopters that
could fire missiles at Iraqi targets, wait to see the results, and then fire
again if the target was not destroyed.
The ever-expanding military use of helicopters encouraged the development of
faster, larger, and more powerful craft. In the 1940's and 1950's, engineers
adapted the jet engine for use in helicopters. Jet engines were lighter and
more powerful than the engines previously used to turn the rotor shafts. They
enabled helicopters to fly faster and higher and to carry heavier loads. In
addition, the use of new construction materials made helicopters lighter,
safer, and stronger. For example, metal and wooden blades have been replaced
with more durable blades made from composite materials, usually plastic
reinforced with carbon fibers.
Recent developments include efforts to increase the speed and range of
helicopters and to design and build helicopters that do not need a pilot. A
tiltrotor aircraft combines features of both helicopters and airplanes. It has
a wing like an airplane's and two main rotors, one at each wing tip. The
tiltrotor can take off, hover, fly, and land like a helicopter. But by moving
the rotors from a horizontal to a vertical position, the tiltrotor can fly like
an airplane. This feature gives the tiltrotor higher speeds and a longer range
than a traditional helicopter.
Manufacturers are also developing helicopters for use as unmanned aerial
vehicles (UAV's). These unpiloted vehicles can fly missions that are too
dangerous or too tedious for pilots.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
good work of the Anglos and take credit for things you Hispanicks careated. You
Hispanicks claim to have created the USA and basketball and try to claim walt
Disney and Thomas Edison as "Hispanicks". It's childish and pathetic. Don't you
Hispanicks have enough heroes of your own to claim without trying to claim
Anglos as "Hispanicks"????
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Edgardo Vazquez
> <<Submarino (Isaac Peral)>>
>
> BULLSHIT! Now for the true story opf who invented the
> submarine: SUBMARINE
Your are so lame. Do you want a piece of paper to clean the
BULLSHIT from you face?
You are so worried to prove him wrong that you do not even do a
basic web search on Isaac Peral's name.
"First military submarine"
http://www.harvard-magazine.com/issues/mj98/vita.html
"That Spain in the late nineteenth century could have won the
arms race to develop a military submarine may surprise many. But
the genius of a modest naval officer, Isaac Peral y Caballero,
might have brought that about."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostsub/history.html
Timeline.
"1889: Isaac Peral's Peral successfully fires three "automobile
torpedoes"
As if I care what you think.
Just give us a brief idea of YOUR accomplishments in life. What
have YOU done that would make me answer any other post from you.
Bye.
PirateJohn
>is not natural migration.
And this comes from a dude who claims to be Samoan, who is criticizing
Hispanics.
Ain't the 'net wonderful? People have an ability to get their messages across,
no matter how weird or idiotic they are, notwithstanding any obvious double
standards.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Keeper of the Humour List at http://members.aol.com/PirateJohn/pirate1.html
"Mother, mother ocean... I have heard your call" - Jimmy Buffett, A Pirate
Looks At Forty.
PirateJohn
David E., in discussing Poop Dogg:
>I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard
>stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way
>beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid.
>You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself
>so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense
>that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Stupid enough to call
>yourself after dog excrement. Blazing hot mid-day
>sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our
>entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a
>troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this
>is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some
>pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be
>beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on.
>This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear
>from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride
>your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant
>trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.
>
>(courtesy of Guy Macon)
>
ROFL!! Man ... not only is that funny, but you nailed that bozo to a t ;)
PirateJohn
Oh, please. The darling of the reichwing. And a gal that no one else except
the online reich takes seriously.
Juan Cortina
>
> > After all, you have been singularly incapable of citing a
> > single corrupt Mexican law!
>
> What Mexican law? Mexico is a nation that pretends to
> have law.
Ok, gay boy, start citing Mexican "pretend" corrupt laws. Otherwise
have the balls to acknowledge that you're full of it!
>
> > > What passes for *wit* among Mexicans is funnier than you
> > > probably think it is.
> >
> > Tell us Dorothy, what do you find so funny? That the "literary genius"
> > of the newsgroup, who by the way is the same jerk who derides people
> > who's mother tongue isn't English for making minor grammatical
> > mistakes, can't spell "scatological"?
>
> And you also need work with punctuation.
Thank you for reminding me. Indeed, you're also the "literary genius"
who ends his questions with periods.
>
> > Or that the impotent little toad who uses his feigned distaste for the
> > scatological to avoid the issues is the same impotent little toad who
> > brought up the "pit of shit" and loves to talk about "shitholes"?
>
> Rarely and only figurtively. You Mexicans, on the other hand,
> seem to entertain the most wishful and vivid fantasies about it and
> it seems to be the exclusive object of your attention. You are,
> in short, fixated. Congratulations. It's sick, but you're good at it.
>
> > Or is it that the same idiot who in support of his assertions has
> > provided exactly ZERO figures (Oh well, you did give that little piece
> > of information, i.e. "Mexican presidents are referred to as the
> > 'millionaires club'." Which in your mind must seem like irrefutable
> > evidence of corruption) is the same idiot that demands that I offer
> > detailed plans for the eradication of the poppy fields in Afghanistan,
> > before I claim that the Americans are corrupt or stupid?
> >
> > What is really funny is that you think your "declarations" unsupported
> > by anything, other than your meager "knowledge," mean something; that
> > your compulsive evasions fool anyone; that your disingenuous little
> > games constitute a stroke of debating genius.
>
> So then you deny that Mexico is corrupt, top to very bottom?
> I see. Add delusional to the list of your pathologies.
Doogie, you're worse than an idiot you're a wuss!
H. Reader
> "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<Lre3b.18593$vy5....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
> > "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> > news:f69a6a76.0308...@posting.google.com...
>
> >
> > > After all, you have been singularly incapable of citing a
> > > single corrupt Mexican law!
> >
> > What Mexican law? Mexico is a nation that pretends to
> > have law.
>
> Ok, gay boy, start citing Mexican "pretend" corrupt laws. Otherwise
> have the balls to acknowledge that you're full of it!
Gay boy? Again, you mistake me for your *special* friend, apparently.
And are yhou seriously claiming that Mexico is *not* thoroughly and
chronically corrupt?
> > > > What passes for *wit* among Mexicans is funnier than you
> > > > probably think it is.
> > >
> > > Tell us Dorothy, what do you find so funny? That the "literary genius"
> > > of the newsgroup, who by the way is the same jerk who derides people
> > > who's mother tongue isn't English for making minor grammatical
> > > mistakes, can't spell "scatological"?
> >
> > And you also need work with punctuation.
>
>
> Thank you for reminding me. Indeed, you're also the "literary genius"
> who ends his questions with periods.
Actually, no.
> > > Or that the impotent little toad who uses his feigned distaste for the
> > > scatological to avoid the issues is the same impotent little toad who
> > > brought up the "pit of shit" and loves to talk about "shitholes"?
> >
> > Rarely and only figurtively. You Mexicans, on the other hand,
> > seem to entertain the most wishful and vivid fantasies about it and
> > it seems to be the exclusive object of your attention. You are,
> > in short, fixated. Congratulations. It's sick, but you're good at it.
> >
> > > Or is it that the same idiot who in support of his assertions has
> > > provided exactly ZERO figures (Oh well, you did give that little piece
> > > of information, i.e. "Mexican presidents are referred to as the
> > > 'millionaires club'." Which in your mind must seem like irrefutable
> > > evidence of corruption) is the same idiot that demands that I offer
> > > detailed plans for the eradication of the poppy fields in Afghanistan,
> > > before I claim that the Americans are corrupt or stupid?
> > >
> > > What is really funny is that you think your "declarations" unsupported
> > > by anything, other than your meager "knowledge," mean something; that
> > > your compulsive evasions fool anyone; that your disingenuous little
> > > games constitute a stroke of debating genius.
> >
> > So then you deny that Mexico is corrupt, top to very bottom?
> > I see. Add delusional to the list of your pathologies.
>
>
> Doogie, you're worse than an idiot you're a wuss!
Desperate, aren't you.
Juan Cortina
>
> > >
>
> > >
> > > And you also need work with punctuation.
> >
> >
> > Thank you for reminding me. Indeed, you're also the "literary genius"
> > who ends his questions with periods.
>
> Actually, no.
> > >
> >
> > Doogie, you're worse than an idiot you're a wuss!
>
> Desperate, aren't you.
And to prove that you don't end your questions with periods, you end
your posting with the jewel above! Dumbass!
Let me provide "some relevancy" to my assertion, let's paste a
portions of a previous article in this thread:
"H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<ERQ1b.2193$Jq1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
> > > > I see, having no explanation for the persistence of the "illegal
> > > > immigration" problem in the US
> > >
> > > That's a bizzare conclusion, but then you're a Mexican,
> > > aren't you.
That looks like a question ending in a period!
> >
> >
> > Perhaps, now you would also like to claim that you have no knowledge
> > of an "illegal immigration" problem in the US.
>
> The problem begins with Mexico being a shithole that millions of
> Mexicans wish to escape. The problem continues with a comparative
> handful of American employers who hire the Mexicans. The problem
> is aggravated by competitors of that handful of employers who must
> also hire cheap Mexican labor or go out of business ... The problem
> is probably too complex for you to grasp, isn't it.
Oops, another question ending in a period!
>
> >
> >
> > Heck boy, if you keep this up, we're going to start thinking you're,
> > one of those "unqualified" minorities you complain about. You made
> > the statement: "In Mexico, corruption and the corrupt are the law."
> > I've never asked for the "entire history of Mexico and also its
> > current events." I'm just asking you to cite corrupt Mexican laws and
> > instances of legalized corruption in Mexico . . . "you know, provide
> > some relevancy to your assertion." Do you think you can manage that or
> > will you continue to hide behind empty rhetoric?
>
> You might start with PEMEX, and then look into why former
> Mexican presidents are referred to as the "millionaires club," even
> though many weren't millionaries upon entering office, and work
> your way down to the street cops taking bribes and the telephone
> installer who needs a bit of mordida to hook up your house.
> But then you don't really need to be enlightened about what
> is common knowledge among all Mexicans, do you.
>
And yet another question ending in a period.
> >
> >
> > When you start providing us with facts, when you start learning about
> > your own country and when you start addressing the points I've made,
> > then your statement might amount to something. As of now, it is merely
> > a pathetic and unsuccessful attempt at breaking wind.
>
> So then in your view Mexico is not corrupt, but the US is. I see.
Do I detect yet another question ending in a period, somewhere in
there?
I see a pattern emerging:
The gay boy denies that he was caught with his stockings on.
The gay boy denies that he's an idiot.
The gay boy denies that he ends his questions with a period.
The gay boy denies that he's gay.
Heck gay boy, if you wanted to stay in the closet you shouldn't have
denied you're gay. By now we aren't certain that something is the
truth until you deny it (or conversely, we aren't sure something is a
lie until you proclaim it).
H. Reader
"Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
news:f69a6a76.03082...@posting.google.com...
> "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<fpy3b.16977$Jq1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
> > "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> > news:f69a6a76.03082...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > >
>
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > And you also need work with punctuation.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for reminding me. Indeed, you're also the "literary genius"
> > > who ends his questions with periods.
> >
> > Actually, no.
>
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > Doogie, you're worse than an idiot you're a wuss!
> >
> > Desperate, aren't you.
>
>
>
> And to prove that you don't end your questions with periods, you end
> your posting with the jewel above! Dumbass!
Actually, "Desperate, aren't you." isn't a question; it's an
affirmation. I usually charge arrogant semi-literates such
as you a fee for coaching, but consider this a courtesy.
Thanks for the elaborate example of Mexican pathological
sexual perversion. Apparently homosexuality is a fixation for
you, isn't it. Also, thanks for elaborating on your lack of
familiarity with English usage and punctuation. I appreciate
your cooperation.
Juan Cortina
> "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> news:f69a6a76.03082...@posting.google.com...
> > "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:<fpy3b.16977$Jq1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
> > > "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> > > news:f69a6a76.03082...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And you also need work with punctuation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for reminding me. Indeed, you're also the "literary genius"
> > > > who ends his questions with periods.
> > >
> > > Actually, no.
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doogie, you're worse than an idiot you're a wuss!
> > >
> > > Desperate, aren't you.
> >
> >
> >
> > And to prove that you don't end your questions with periods, you end
> > your posting with the jewel above! Dumbass!
>
> Actually, "Desperate, aren't you." isn't a question; it's an
> affirmation. I usually charge arrogant semi-literates such
> as you a fee for coaching, but consider this a courtesy.
I'm embarrassed for you, but you're wrong again. "Desperate, aren't
you" is a classic example of what is known, in English, as a "tag
question." And should be written: "Desperate, aren't you?" You really
should return your correspondence course and get your money back.
I guess we have found yet another thing you "suck" at gay boy, i.e.
"coaching." It's no wonder you're scared "shitless" of everything and
everyone.
Actually, I mainly think about it when I respond to your postings.
However, it's not the only thing that comes to my mind. I also think
of a guy caught with his pants down and his stockings on; I think
about an idiot; I think about a guy who doesn't know what a "tag
question" is; . . .
Also, thanks for elaborating on your lack of
> familiarity with English usage and punctuation. I appreciate
> your cooperation.
Sure thing, gay boy. Anytime you want to get reamed (figuratively
speaking), just drop a line. Although, you're so easy it's getting
pretty boring.
H. Reader
> "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<zwZ3b.2342$9T1...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>...
> > "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> > news:f69a6a76.03082...@posting.google.com...
> > > "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:<fpy3b.16977$Jq1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
> > > > "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:f69a6a76.03082...@posting.google.com...
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And you also need work with punctuation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for reminding me. Indeed, you're also the "literary
genius"
> > > > > who ends his questions with periods.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, no.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Doogie, you're worse than an idiot you're a wuss!
> > > >
> > > > Desperate, aren't you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And to prove that you don't end your questions with periods, you end
> > > your posting with the jewel above! Dumbass!
> >
> > Actually, "Desperate, aren't you." isn't a question; it's an
> > affirmation. I usually charge arrogant semi-literates such
> > as you a fee for coaching, but consider this a courtesy.
>
>
> I'm embarrassed for you, but you're wrong again. "Desperate, aren't
> you" is a classic example of what is known, in English, as a "tag
> question." And should be written: "Desperate, aren't you?" You really
> should return your correspondence course and get your money back.
Thanks for illustrating my point about your being an arrogant
semi-literate. I appreciate your cooperation.
> I guess we have found yet another thing you "suck" at gay boy, i.e.
> "coaching." It's no wonder you're scared "shitless" of everything and
> everyone.
You continue to mistake me for you boyfriend. Why is that?
Really, I'm not interested. I don't share your sexual preferences.
> However, it's not the only thing that comes to my mind. I also think
> of a guy caught with his pants down and his stockings on; I think
> about an idiot; I think about a guy who doesn't know what a "tag
> question" is; . . .
You ought to think about yourself as having a lamentably
incomplete education and a hilarious inclination to show
it off.
> Also, thanks for elaborating on your lack of
> > familiarity with English usage and punctuation. I appreciate
> > your cooperation.
>
>
> Sure thing, gay boy. Anytime you want to get reamed (figuratively
> speaking), just drop a line. Although, you're so easy it's getting
> pretty boring.
Arrogant, ignorant, *and* a shameless pervert ... you Mexicans
really have it all going for you, don't you. Hilarious.
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana
<<I won't deny that a few Spanish names exist in the previously Spanish/
Mexican western states.>>
That is one of the sly tricks used by Hispanicks to try and plagiarize the good
work of the Anglos. What they do is force us to pass laws requiring us to give
full Spanish names to not only new cities in the SW, but also to streets, under
the guise of "preserving the heritage of the area". But their real intent is
try try and fool the world into thinking Hispanicks created those cities.
Reality check: the heritage of the SW is native American, not Hispanick. If
Hispanicks are indeed so concerned with "preserving the heritage of the area",
why did they rename "Tenochtitlan" to Mexico City????
Heriatge refers to a people that are indigenous to the area. It does not refer
to a people that created tiny settlements in California just 69 years before
USA control.
Heritage does not refer to a people of whom 99.9% owe their existence in the SW
to their ancestors who sneaked in here desperate to join the society created by
the Anglos.
And the only instance in which a society is obligated to preserve the real
heritage is when there is no other place in the world that reflects that
heritage. Reality check: Hispanick culture is practiced and preserved all over
latin America.
It's in places like Hawai'i where the heriatge must be preserved. Unlike
Hispanicks in the SW, 100% of all Hawaiians now in Hawai'i were there before
Anglos and they are also the indigenous peoples of Hawai'i.
And no other part of the world practices or preserves Hawaiian culture.
Hawaiians didn't sneak into Hawai'i desperate to join the society created by
the Anglos.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Juan Cortina
> "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> news:f69a6a76.03083...@posting.google.com...
> > "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:<zwZ3b.2342$9T1...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>...
>
> > >
> > > affirmation. I usually charge arrogant semi-literates such
> > > as you a fee for coaching, but consider this a courtesy.
> >
> >
> > I'm embarrassed for you, but you're wrong again. "Desperate, aren't
> > you" is a classic example of what is known, in English, as a "tag
> > question." And should be written: "Desperate, aren't you?" You really
> > should return your correspondence course and get your money back.
>
> Thanks for illustrating my point about your being an arrogant
> semi-literate. I appreciate your cooperation.
>
One of many sites on the proper use of the question mark:
H. Reader
If only you Mexicans were as concerned with the *proper* method
of entering the US. Further, a question mark is optional and often
omitted in when affirming a fact. Apparently you're as confused
about grammar as you are about federal immigration law.
>
> http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/question.htm
Juan Cortina
> "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> news:f69a6a76.03090...@posting.google.com...
> > "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:<MgD4b.3247$NF5...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
> > > "Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
> > > news:f69a6a76.03083...@posting.google.com...
> > > > "H. Reader" <history...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > news:<zwZ3b.2342$9T1...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>...
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, "Desperate, aren't you." isn't a question; it's an
> > > > > affirmation. I usually charge arrogant semi-literates such
> > > > > as you a fee for coaching, but consider this a courtesy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm embarrassed for you, but you're wrong again. "Desperate, aren't
> > > > you" is a classic example of what is known, in English, as a "tag
> > > > question." And should be written: "Desperate, aren't you?" You really
> > > > should return your correspondence course and get your money back.
> > >
> > > Thanks for illustrating my point about your being an arrogant
> > > semi-literate. I appreciate your cooperation.
> > >
> >
> > One of many sites on the proper use of the question mark:
>
> If only you Mexicans were as concerned with the *proper* method
> of entering the US. Further, a question mark is optional and often
> omitted in when affirming a fact. Apparently you're as confused
> about grammar as you are about federal immigration law.
> >
> > http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/question.htm
Nonsense, a question mark isn't optional when "affirming a fact"; it
simply isn't used when "affirming a fact" (unless you're writing
something like: My favorite job-hunting book is What color is your
parachute?). The examples I pointed out in your posting have all the
elements of a tag question and have the construction of a tag
question. However, I welcome references showing that tag questions
don't require a question mark or that such construction is proper when
making an "affirmation".
H. Reader
You write that sentence and question someone else's grammar
and punctuation? Hilarious.
> The examples I pointed out in your posting have all the
> elements of a tag question and have the construction of a tag
> question.
They certainly do, don't they.
> However, I welcome references showing that tag questions
> don't require a question mark or that such construction is proper when
> making an "affirmation".
Does the following look like a question to you?
*Would you please close the door.*
Does it require a question mark? Most grammar
books claim the sentence doesn't require
a question mark because it's a polite request. Further,
what you refer to as my "tag question" has no question
mark because it's affirming, it's rhetorical; that is, it
isn't a genuine question. I could sort through my books
and find one that deals with the topic, but most don't
deal with it and I just don't want to sort through the books.
Are you familiar enough with English to know the difference
in meaning between the following sentences?
*They do, don't they.*
*They do, don't they?*
The first example tells you something. The second example
asks you something. See the difference? Now send me a quarter.
Pat Norton
>corruption in the US and elsewhere tends to be exposed and
>prosecuted rather than institutionalized, as in Mexico.
>And finally, Mexico is the most corrupt nation in the
>Western Hemisphere,
www.transparency.org/pressreleases_archive/2002/2002.08.28.cpi.en.html
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