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nur

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Nov 14, 2008, 3:24:22 AM11/14/08
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Priests and preachers entering Islam???

http://wechooseislam.wordpress.com/2007/05/06/priests-and-preachers-entering-islam/


Sheikh Yusuf Estes Malaysian Tour: 23-29 Nov 2008

23 Okt 2008
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Pertubuhan Kebajikan Al-Nidaa’ Malaysia
presents
Sheikh Yusuf Estes Live In Malaysia
Internationally Renowned Speaker & Da’ie
(former Christian Minister & Preacher)


For a brief profile of Sheikh Yusuf Estes and a few of his articles,
sample lectures and talks please click here.

Priests and Preachers Enter Islam?

The media classifies Muslims as “terrorists”, “highjackers” and
“kidnappers”. So why would anyone even look at Islam? Why are so many
priests and preachers going to Islam?


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Challenges for Modern Muslims in Da’wah

Sunday,
23 Nov 2008
9am – 11am

MBSA Shah Alam
Reviving The Sunnah

8pm – 10pm

Masjid Wilayah KL
Multipurpose Hall
The Truth About Muslims:
All you wanted to know
but were afraid to ask

Monday,
24 Nov 2008
8pm – 10pm

MBSA Hall,
Bukit Jelutong
Life: A Prison or Paradise?

Tuesday,
25 Nov 2008
8pm – 10pm

Masjid USJ 2,
Subang Jaya
Terrorism, Islam in The West

Wednesday,
26 Nov 2008
8.15pm – 10pm

Al-Nidaa’ Office,
Taman Tun Dr. Ismail
Faith, Science & Common Sense

Friday,
28 Nov 2008
8pm – 10pm

Telekom Malaysia HQ,
Multipurpose Hall

For more info, please email Pn. Ruhashimah (the person in-charge) at
shima...@yahoo.co.uk or contact:

Pertubuhan Kebajikan Al-Nidaa' Malaysia
17A, Lorong Datuk Sulaiman 7
Taman Tun Dr. Ismail
60000 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03-77106900 Fax: 03-77107900


Yusuf Estes PhD. (born 1944), is an American convert to Islam and
Chairman of "the Muslim Foundation International", an Islamic
Promotional and Missionary Organization dedicated to spreading the
message of al-Islam according to the Quraan, Sunnah. He was brought up
in a Protestant Christian family; members of the Disciples of Christ.
Estes was known then as "Skip Estes".

From 1962 until 1990, he had a varied career as a music minister,
preacher, and the owner of Estes Piano and Organ Company. He lived in
Texas and Florida In 1991, Estes had business dealings with an
Egyptian Muslim called Muhammad. He learned about the religion
firsthand and converted to Islam the same year along with his wife,
father, and step mother. He has since pursued Arabic Language and
Quraanic Studies in Egypt, Morocco and Turkey.

As of 2006, Yusuf Estes has been regularily appearing on Peace TV,
which is a 24/7 Islamic channel that is broacasted to many countries
around the globe.

AleXX

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Nov 14, 2008, 6:25:19 AM11/14/08
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Because these screwed up Priests are potential rapists and sexual
delinquents. Imagine going over to be Muslims are like having passports to
marry 4 wives and can fuck goats, and can participate in planning for
terrorist acts like suicide bombings.

"nur" <arah...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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rig...@gmail.com

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Nov 14, 2008, 10:29:14 AM11/14/08
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What is the difference between Yusuf Estes and Osama bin Laden?

On Nov 14, 7:25 pm, "AleXX" <nodeal@great_and_big_deal.hot_deal>
wrote:


> Because these screwed up Priests are potential rapists and  sexual
> delinquents. Imagine going over to be Muslims are like having passports to
> marry 4 wives and can fuck goats, and can participate in planning for
> terrorist acts like suicide bombings.
>

> "nur" <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote in message


>
> news:9285f1b5-8f8a-4f77...@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Priests and preachers entering Islam???
>

> http://wechooseislam.wordpress.com/2007/05/06/priests-and-preachers-e...

> shimade...@yahoo.co.uk or contact:

mat abdullah

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Nov 14, 2008, 6:02:29 PM11/14/08
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Right, right, right. They are also entitled to incests and taking to bed
very young girls of age 9 years because Mohammed made the precedent.
"AleXX" <nodeal@great_and_big_deal.hot_deal> wrote in message
news:gfjn7a$4id$1...@feeder.motzarella.org...
> 9am - 11am

>
> MBSA Shah Alam
> Reviving The Sunnah
>
> 8pm - 10pm

>
> Masjid Wilayah KL
> Multipurpose Hall
> The Truth About Muslims:
> All you wanted to know
> but were afraid to ask
>
> Monday,
> 24 Nov 2008
> 8pm - 10pm

>
> MBSA Hall,
> Bukit Jelutong
> Life: A Prison or Paradise?
>
> Tuesday,
> 25 Nov 2008
> 8pm - 10pm

>
> Masjid USJ 2,
> Subang Jaya
> Terrorism, Islam in The West
>
> Wednesday,
> 26 Nov 2008
> 8.15pm - 10pm

>
> Al-Nidaa' Office,
> Taman Tun Dr. Ismail
> Faith, Science & Common Sense
>
> Friday,
> 28 Nov 2008
> 8pm - 10pm

joek...@gmail.com

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Nov 14, 2008, 7:41:05 PM11/14/08
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On Nov 14, 3:24 am, nur <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
why do you still worship the pedophile?????

mat abdullah

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Nov 15, 2008, 1:17:17 AM11/15/08
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<joek...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9c38b41a-9812-46e9...@a17g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

On Nov 14, 3:24 am, nur <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
why do you still worship the pedophile?????

He possibly like to emulate the prophet. It is so much fun and pleasure
being in heaven on earth.


rig...@gmail.com

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Nov 15, 2008, 1:49:37 AM11/15/08
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On Nov 14, 11:29 pm, rig...@gmail.com wrote:
> What is the difference between Yusuf Estes and Osama bin Laden?
>

One is an Arab, the other is trying to look like one.

EfiCatong

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Nov 15, 2008, 2:14:53 PM11/15/08
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On Nov 14, 12:24 am, nur <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Priests and preachers entering Islam???
>
> http://wechooseislam.wordpress.com/2007/05/06/priests-and-preachers-e...
> shimade...@yahoo.co.uk or contact:

>
> Pertubuhan Kebajikan Al-Nidaa' Malaysia
> 17A, Lorong Datuk Sulaiman 7
> Taman Tun Dr. Ismail
> 60000 Kuala Lumpur
> Tel: 03-77106900  Fax: 03-77107900
>
> Yusuf Estes PhD. (born 1944), is an American convert to Islam and
> Chairman of "the Muslim Foundation International", an Islamic
> Promotional and Missionary Organization dedicated to spreading the
> message of al-Islam according to the Quraan, Sunnah. He was brought up
> in a Protestant Christian family; members of the Disciples of Christ.
> Estes was known then as "Skip Estes".
>
> From 1962 until 1990, he had a varied career as a music minister,
> preacher, and the owner of Estes Piano and Organ Company. He lived in
> Texas and Florida In 1991, Estes had business dealings with an
> Egyptian Muslim called Muhammad. He learned about the religion
> firsthand and converted to Islam the same year along with his wife,
> father, and step mother. He has since pursued Arabic Language and
> Quraanic Studies in Egypt, Morocco and Turkey.
>
> As of 2006, Yusuf Estes has been regularily appearing on Peace TV,
> which is a 24/7 Islamic channel that is broacasted to many countries
> around the globe.

We call that freedom of Religion, Freedom to chose your own religion
without fear. Unlike in your fucked-up Muslim contries, an Imam
(muslim priest) or muslim converting to Christianity is like signing a
death sentence!

An Afghan Muslim Imam, Abdul Rahman, Converting To Christianity
(video):
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1690109/a_muslim_imam_abdul_rahman_converting_to_christianity/
6 Million Muslims Convert to Christianity - Al-Jazeerah

British imam's daughter under police protection after converting ...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3006561.ece

Iran: Convert to Christianity stabbed to death -- after Ahmadinejad
says, "I will stop Christianity in this country"
http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009241.php

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Muslims_Leaving_Islam
with links to:
1 Former Muslims who became atheists/agnostics/deists
2 Former Muslims who Converted to Buddhism
3 Former Muslims who Converted to Christianity
3.1 Former Muslim Preachers, Mullahs, Imams, Scholars and Dawah
missionaries who left Islam and converted to
Christianity
3.2 Other Prominent Converts to Christianity from Islam
3.3 Websites of former muslims who converted to Christianity
3.4 Collections of Video Testimonies
4 Former Muslims who Converted to Hinduism
5 News of Muslims leaving Islam
6 New Muslim Converts Leave Islam within a Few Years
7 Ex-Muslim Organizations
7.1 Websites from other former Muslims who became atheists/
agnostics/deists

???????????

rig...@gmail.com

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Nov 16, 2008, 1:35:49 AM11/16/08
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You must paste it here. These Muslims dare not click on the links.

Former Muslim Preachers, Mullahs, Imams, Scholars and Dawah
missionaries who left Islam and converted to Christianity

* Dr Mustafa( Now Mark Gabriel)Former Muslim Imam, Ex-Professor in
Al Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt(Most prestigious Islamic school of
theology )
* Dr. Muhammed Rahoumy(now Dr. Samuel Paul) - former Dean in Al
Azhar Islamic University in Cairo Egypt.
* Issa Ahmed Khalid -An author of answering-christianity.com,
Fomer Dawa Missionary, Muslim Preacher
* El-Faqi, an ex-Imam and lawyer
* Hajji Husman Mohamed - a former ethiopian Muslim Imam
* Hamran Ambrie - Indonesian Ex-Muslim Priest
* Mohammed Amin - Former Ethiopian Islamic Cleric
* El-Akkad - Former Muslim Preacher, Egypt
* Ak-Beket - former Imam, Kazakhstan
* Mullah Assad Ullah - Former mullah, Afganistan
* Indonesian Imam Left Islam, He also led 3000 Moslems to Christ
* Fahmir - A Mullah started to preach Gospel in Afghanistan
* Mullah's supernatural conversion - becomes church planter
* Sudan: Moslem Imam converts to Christianity
* Kosovo - Converted Muslim leads Mullah to Christ
* Imam decides to follow Christ after seeing Jesus film
* Former Mosque Teacher Launches Christian Radio Ministry
* Rev. Mawlawi Dr. Imad ud-Din Lahiz - Prolific Islamic Writer,
Preacher, Quranic Translator
* Khalif Majid Hassan - Former Islamic Preacher, Minister in the
Nation of Islam
* Jeremiah Fard Muhammad - Muslim minister, now Christian
evangelist
* Saleh Hussaini - Former Nigerian Muslim Cleric
* Sam Solomon - a former Muslim scholar
* Yusuf Roni - Former Islamic Dawah Missionary, Islamic Youth
Organization Chairman, Indonesia - Now Christian Preacher
* Jamal Zarka - Former Muslim Imam, Now Evangelist
* Sheikh Mohamed Mansour - Prominent Egyptian Muslim Sheikh and
Islamic Scholar
* Hamza - former Islamic scholar
* Timothy Abraham - Former Muslim preacher, Fundamentalist. Now
Christian Preacher
* Daniel Shayestah- Former koranic teacher, scholar
* Maulvi Safdar Ali - Former Maulvi(Cleric) from India
* Ahmed Abdullahi - former muslim cleric
* Emmanuel (formerly Mohammed) - Former Muslim Scholar
* Zak Gariba - former Muslim Imam
* Mr. Moro S. Franci - Former Imam
* Hicham Chehab - Former Lebanese Muslim Preacher turned Militant
turned Islamic Theologian
* Mario Joseph (Moulvi Sulaiman) - former Muslim cleric - india

[edit] Other Prominent Converts to Christianity from Islam

* Mohammad Ghazoli, Former Muslim - well known political writer in
some elite Arabic news papers
* Nozad-Renowned Iranian Muslim Scholar
* Rev. Hamid Pourmand - Former Iranian army colonel
* Dr. Ergun Mehmet Caner - Turkish ex-Muslim, Now Dean of Liberty
Theological Seminary in Lynchburg, Va
* Zachariah Anani - Lebanese Islamic Ex-Militant
* Mohammed Altaf( Now Simon Altaf) - Pakistani ex-Muslim -
Abrahamic Faith Ministries
* Reverend Donald Fareed - Iranian Ex-Muslim
* Ibrahim Abdullah - former PLO Terrorist
* Bilquis Sheikh - former wife of a Minister of the Interior, in
Pakistan
* Salah - Ex-Muslim Palestinian, Now Gospel Musician
* Dr. Abraham Sarker - Former Muslim, Bangladesh - Now christian
Evengelist, Founder of "Gospel for Muslims" Ministries.
* Pastor Hormoz Shariat Ph.D(in Computers) - Iranian Ex-Muslim,
Former Research Scientist in Artificial Intelligence, Now Tele-
Evangelist, Bringing the Gospel to Iran.
* Emir Caner - Turkish Ex-Muslim. (Brother of Dr.Ergun Mehmet)
Dean of The College at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
* Bishop John Subhan - Former Sufi Muslim
* Abdul Saleeb - Former Sufi Muslim from Middle East, Now
Christian Missionary to Muslims.
* A Kurdish leader, writer, historian finds God through Bible
translation
* Gulshan Esther - Pakistan Ex-Muslim, Smitten with typhoid - then
crippled by polio as a teenager , Healed by Lord Jesus Miraculously,
Became Christian Preacher
* Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo - a former Muslim, Now leads the
largest and Fastest growing church in England.
* Abdullahi Jibril - Former Muslim Extremist Now Faces Persecution
in Nigeria
* Ergun Caner - President of Liberty Theological Seminary at
Liberty University
* Dr. Nasir K. Siddiki - successful Muslim businessman, Now
Christian Preacher
* Rev. Majed El Shafie
* Rev KK Alavi - Son of a staunch Islamic cleric, India - The
preacher Muslim extremists love to hate, one of the bravest Christians
in India
* Walid Shoebat - A Former PLO Islamic Terrorist
* Reverend Khalid Soomro - Pakistani ex-Muslim
* Reza F.Safa - Iranian Ex-Muslims, Now Christian Evangelist
* Rev. Dr. Patrick Sookhdeo - Pakistani, International Director of
UK-based Barnabas Fund.
* Taysir Abu Saada "Tass" - Islamic Fatah fighter trained to kill
Jews.
* Guryel Ali - Gospel Musician.
* WL Cati - Ex Muslim, Now Evangelist
* Nonie Darwish - Freelance writer and public speaker.
* Dr. Anis Shorrosh - Famous Christian Debator.
* Hussain Andaryas - Afghani Christian activist .
* Alexander Bekovich-Cherkassky - Russian officer of Circassian
origin who led the first Russian military expedition into Central Asia
(note: was converted under unknown circumstances).
* Akbar Gbaja-Biamila - American football player
* Kabeer_Gbaja-Biamila - American football player
* Tunch Ilkin - former American football player
* Qadry Ismail - former American football player
* Raghib Ismail - former American football player
* President of Benin (from Christianity to Islam back to
Christianity)
* Carlos Menem - former President of Argentina
* Emily Ruete - Princess of Zanzibar and Oman
* Ghorban Tourani - former Iranian Sunni Muslim who became a
Christian minister
* George_Weah - Liberian soccer player (from Christianity to Islam
back to Christianity)

Websites of former muslims who converted to Christianity

* Zak Gariba - Former Muslim Imam
* Mark Gabriel - Former muslim imam, Al-azhar Islamic university
professor
* Walid Shoebat - A Former PLO Islamic Terrorist
* Jeremiah Fard Muhammad - Former Muslim minister
* Nonie Darwish - Freelance writer and public speaker
* Mohammad Ghazoli, Political writer in Elite Arabic news papers
* Dr. Ergun Mehmet Caner - Turkish Ex-Muslim(Dean of Liberty
Theological Seminary in Lynchburg, Va)
* Reverend Donald Fareed - Iranian Ex-Muslim, Persian Ministries
* Salah - Ex-Muslim Palestinian, Gospel Musician
* Dr. Abraham Sarker - Bangladeshi Ex-Muslim, "Gospel for Muslims"
Ministries . Also: http://www.understandmymuslimpeople.com
* Hussain Andaryas - Afgani Ex-Muslim
* Afgan Converts WebSite
* Nurudeen I. Adeojo
* David Naseer
* Emir Caner - Dean of The College at Southwestern
* Dr. Nasir K. Siddiki - Muslim businessman, Now Christian
Preacher
* WL Cati- Zennah Ministries
* Ahmed Abaza
* Ajeenah El-Amin
* Abdul Hakeem - Nur Ul alam Ministry
* Yemeni ex-muslims
* An Ex-Muslim Christian Website run by Iraqi ex-Muslims
* Pastor Hormoz Shariat Ph.D, Scientist, Iranian Ex-Muslim, Now
Tele-Evangelist
* Rev. Majed El Shafie
* Simin - Iranian ExMuslim
* Mohammed Altaf(Now Simon Altaf) - Pakistani ex-Muslim
* One Anonymous muslim
* Jerry Rassamni - Ex-Militant, Now Christian, popular speaker on
apologetics
* Abdoul Rahim - "Building Bridges to the Truth" Ministries
* Paul Ciniraj Mohamed - SALEM VOICE MINISTRIES
* Betsy Tan - "In Him" Ministries
* Ellie Davidian - former devout Shiite Muslim

> (video):http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1690109/a_muslim_imam_abdul_rahman_conv...


> 6 Million Muslims Convert to Christianity - Al-Jazeerah
>

> British imam's daughter under police protection after converting ...http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3006561.ece

rig...@gmail.com

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A fallen Buddhist becomes Christian but very seldom becomes Hindu or
Muslim.
A fallen Christian becomes Muslim but very seldom becomes Hindu.
A fallen Hindu becomes Christians or Muslims.
There is no fallen Muslims.

On Nov 14, 4:24 pm, nur <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Priests and preachers entering Islam???
>

> http://wechooseislam.wordpress.com/2007/05/06/priests-and-preachers-e...

> shimade...@yahoo.co.uk or contact:

EfiCatong

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Nov 16, 2008, 12:34:37 PM11/16/08
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On Nov 15, 10:35 pm, rig...@gmail.com wrote:
> You must paste it here. These Muslims dare not click on the links.
>
> Former Muslim Preachers, Mullahs, Imams, Scholars and Dawah
> missionaries who left Islam and converted to Christianity
>
>     * Dr Mustafa( Now Mark Gabriel)Former Muslim Imam, Ex-Professor in
> Al Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt(Most prestigious Islamic school of
> theology )

(SNIP)
>


nur <arah1...@gmail.com> IP adress: 82.167.29.148 is posting in
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. A not too smart muslim troll in google SC
group. He's a scum of the earth ex-pat from Pakistan or some bum fuck
muslim country.

No need to get into Religion here ... It's one of the many freedom we
Christians in the free world enjoy & cherish. No big deal really.

?????????

Message has been deleted

Nighthawk

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Nov 16, 2008, 11:07:40 PM11/16/08
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A fallen muslim is a murdered muslim.
At the end of the day, all fallen ones go to hell. Well, u can't fall to
heaven (if there ever was one).

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rig...@gmail.com

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Nov 17, 2008, 12:37:57 AM11/17/08
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Hey, that's not considered fallen when it's part of the teachings. The
Talibans and the Muslims supporters of the Bali bombers can attest to
it.

Awaken is the opposite of fallen, you sure got my drift. ;-)

mat tompell

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"EfiCatong" <EfieCa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 15, 10:35 pm, rig...@gmail.com wrote:
> You must paste it here. These Muslims dare not click on the links.
>
> Former Muslim Preachers, Mullahs, Imams, Scholars and Dawah
> missionaries who left Islam and converted to Christianity
>
> * Dr Mustafa( Now Mark Gabriel)Former Muslim Imam, Ex-Professor in
> Al Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt(Most prestigious Islamic school of
> theology )

(SNIP)
>
These are bodoh people so willing to forgo
1) the right to four wives
2)the right to keep on replacing the less pleasing ones with younger juicy
ones
3)the right to fuck your own mother and sister and goats and camels
4)the right to beat the the wives if they show reluctance to comply with
your requirements
5)the right to take pre puberty young girls as wives
6)the right to request Allah as the prophet did to give you visions to spew
up statements supporting you insatiable appetite for sex, sex and nothing
else except sex
7) they are forgoing paradise on earth.
8) once before prayers and once after prayers and in between
prayers,sessions with Allah about new exploits about more sex.

nars...@gmail.com

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Nov 25, 2008, 8:21:14 AM11/25/08
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MashaAllah, I am so happy to know that Sheikh Yusuf is coming to
Malaysia. Now I can catch him live, instead of watching him on the
internet. Alhamdulillah. But I've just got to know about this tour
today, and I've already missed several lecturers. InshaAllah, I would
like to attend the one on friday.

Salam.

On Nov 14, 4:24 pm, nur <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Priests and preachers entering Islam???
>

> http://wechooseislam.wordpress.com/2007/05/06/priests-and-preachers-e...

> shimade...@yahoo.co.uk or contact:

Bauw Keh Thek

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Nov 26, 2008, 7:34:18 PM11/26/08
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nars...@gmail.com wrote in news:1ef4f512-43cb-4a03-b4f5-62592c69ed46
@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

> MashaAllah, I am so happy to know that Sheikh Yusuf is coming to
> Malaysia. Now I can catch him live, instead of watching him on the
> internet. Alhamdulillah. But I've just got to know about this tour
> today, and I've already missed several lecturers. InshaAllah, I would
> like to attend the one on friday.
>
> Salam.
>


OF COURSE, nothing's surprising about this new

but is it possible to happen otherwise in Malaysia ? (and that will be
news!)

I undertsand its strictly prohibited --if not impossible-- in Malaysia
for a muslim to convert to other religion, especially to be a Christian
.... unless you are prepared to go to jail.


Subbhanaaaloooooooh ! what a hypocrite religion :))

darion

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On 27 nov, 01:34, Bauw Keh Thek <bauwkeht...@haiyaaa.com> wrote:
> narsha...@gmail.com wrote in news:1ef4f512-43cb-4a03-b4f5-62592c69ed46

Isn't it a good way to protect your citizens against the influence of
adulterated teaching ?

> Subbhanaaaloooooooh ! what a hypocrite religion :))

it's you who are a hypocrite.
you want to protect people but you will do nothing if they drowned in
adulterated teachings.
oh mBill, you are really funny.

Bauw Keh Thek

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darion <hyd...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ef3de770-b9ed-492b-a74e-
c90a5b...@x8g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:


AGREEEEEEE E............. !!! the coward muslim, what do yo expect ?

lack of confindence in its teaching, so obvious !

mbwahahahahahahahahahahahha, in short you have no confindent in your
religion that its good enough to keep people from converting

dare to leave Islam ? be prepared for the sword .....

no wonder, mo bijihmanah lageee inih ???

mbwahahahahahahahahaahahahahhaha, so


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