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Quotes from Islam's Most Famous Spokesman

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However,
he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man
penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her
subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of
his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the
girl's sister.

Ayatollah Khomeini

It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin
menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any
father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.

Ayatollah Khomeini

A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on.
However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should
not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the
meat to the next door village should be fine.

Ayatollah Khomeini
(Quotes above are from Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol
Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990, Source: Homa)

If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, an ewe, or a camel, their
urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no
longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as
possible and burned.

Ayatollah Khomeini

(From The Little Green Book: Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political,
Phylosophica, Social and Religious, with a special introduction by Clive
Irving, ISBN number0-553-14032-9, page 47 Source: Homa)

Eleven things are impure: urine, excrement, sperm...non-Moslem men and
women...and the sweat of an excrement-eating camel.

Ayatollah Khomeini

(From The Little Green Book, Source: Harwood's Mythology's Last Gods, 175)

Commentary on the Koran and Islam

Mohammed promised his followers seven heavens in which:

They are to cohabit with demure virgins...as beauteous as corals and
rubies...full-breasted maidens for playmates...in the gardens of
delight.... They're to lie face to face on jewelled couches, and be
serviced by immortal youths...young boys, their personal property, as
comely as virgin pearls.... We created the houris [dancing girls] and
made them virgins, carnal playmates for those on the right hand.... We
are going to wed them to dark-eyed houris. [The Koran 55:56; 55:58;
78:33; 56:12; 52:16-17, 24; 56:35-38; 52:20]

Each Muslim man, in exchange for a lifetime of mindless obedience, was
to be rewarded after death with an unspecified number of pretty boys to
bugger, plus eight heavenly houris, each more phallus-raising than the
others and each endowed with the capacity to grow a new hymen after each
bout of sexual recreation. The male chauvinist Muslim could thus satisfy
his virginity fetish by deflowering them over and over again, for
eternity. When one compares Mohammed's gardens of delight with the
Christian heaven of harps and celibacy, it becomes apparent why
significant numbers of Christian men turn Muslim while conversions the
other way are almost non-existent.

William Harwood, Mythology's Last Gods: Yahweh and Jesus, 248

In 1992, Islamic assassins had gunned down my good and brave friend
Farag Foda, a professor and columnist, a human-rights activist, and an
outspoken critic of the Islamic militants. The murder had shocked Cairo
and terrified intellectuals. . . Egypt's most popular preacher, Abdel
Hamid Kishk, a blind sheikh who constantly attacked both the government
and its official religious establishment. Kishk had been telling his
audience that Muslims who entered paradise would enjoy eternal erections
and the company of young boys draped in earrings and necklaces. Some of
the ulema, the religious scholars at al-Azhar University, the
governments seat of Islamic learning, had disagreed. Yes, they said, men
in paradise would have erections, but merely protracted, not perpetual.
Other experts disputed the possibility of pederasty in paradise. "Is
this what concerns Muslims at the end of the 20th century?" [Farag] Foda
asked in a column in October magazine. "The world around us is busy with
the conquest of space, genetic engineering and the wonders of the
computer, while Muslim scholars," he wrote in sadness and pain, "were
worried about sex in paradise." . . . he was killed.

Judith Miller

Some of the parchment pages in the Yemeni hoard seemed to date back to
the seventh and eighth centuries A.D., or Islam’s first two centuries –
they were fragments, in other words, of perhaps the oldest Korans in
existence. What’s more, some of these fragments revealed small but
intriguing aberrations from the stand Koranic text. Such aberrations,
though not surprising to textual historians, are troublingly at odds
with the orthodox Muslim belief that the Koran as it has reached us
today is quite simply the perfect, timeless, and unchanging Word of God.
. . . What the Yemeni Korans seems to suggest, Puin began to feel, was
an evolving text rather than simply the Word of God as revealed in its
entirety to the Prophet Muhammad in the seventh century A.D.

Toby Lester

So many Muslims have this belief that everything between the two covers
of the Koran is just God’s unaltered word. They like to quote the
textual work that shows the Bible has a history and did not fall
straight out of the sky, but until now the Koran has been out of this
discussion. The only way to break through this wall is to prove that the
Koran has a history too. The Sana’a fragments will help us do that.

Gerd-R. Puin

The impact of the Yemeni manuscripts is still to be felt. Their variant
readings and verse orders are all very significant. Everybody agrees on
that. These manuscripts say that the early history of the Koranic texts
is much more of an open question than many have suspected: the text was
less stable, and therefore had less authority, than has always been
claimed.

Andrew Rippin

To historicize the Koran would in effect delegitimize the whole
historical experience of the Muslim community. The Koran is the charter
for the community, the document that called it into existence. And
ideally though obviously not always in reality Islamic history has been
the effort to pursue and work out the commandments of the Koran in human
life. If the Koran is a historical document, then the whole Islamic
struggle of fourteen centuries is effectively meaningless.

R. Stephen Humphreys

There is no hard evidence for the existence of the Koran in any form
before the last decade of the seventh century.

Michael Cook

My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not
all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a
hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within Islamic traditions
there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a
significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic
anti-history from them if one wants.

Gerd-R. Puin

. . . until the Crusades Islam was indistinguishable from Judaism and .
. . only then did it receive its independent character, while Muhammad
and the first Caliphs are mythical figures.

N.A. Morozov

. . . the history of early-medieval Arabia is nearly all legend. Like
Buddha, Confucius, Jesus, and other founders of patriarchal religions,
Mohammed lacks real verification. There is no reliable information about
his life or teachings. Most stories about him are as apocryphal as the
story that his coffin hangs forever in mid-air "between heaven and
earth," like the bodies of ancient sacred kings.

Barbara Walker

The only real source of historical information about pre-Islamic Mecca
and the circumstances of the Koran's revelation is the classical Islamic
story about the religions foundation . . .

Toby Lester

The Koran claims for itself that it is "mubeen," or clear. But if you
look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply
doesnt make sense. Many Muslims and Orientalists will tell you
otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Koranic text
is just incomprehensible.

Gerd-R. Puin

[The canonization of the Koran involved the] attribution of several,
partially overlapping, collections of logia [sayings] (exhibiting a
distinctly Mosaic imprint) to the image of a Biblical prophet (modified
by the material of the Muhammadan evangelium into an Arabian man of God)
with a traditional message of salvation (modified by the influence of
Rabbinic Judaism into the unmediated and finally immutable word of God).

John Wansbrough

. . . the prominent Egyptian government minister, university professor,
and writer Taha Hussein . . . devoted himself to the study of
pre-Islamic Arabian poetry and ended up concluding that much of that
body of work had been fabricated well after the establishment of Islam
in order to lend outside support to Koranic mythology. . . .[T]he
Iranian journalist and diplomat Ali Dashti . . . repeatedly took his
fellow Muslims to task for not questioning the traditional accounts of
Muhammad's life, much of which he called myth-making and miracle-mongering.

Toby Lester

. . . it is time [for Islam] to assume, along with all of the great
cultural traditions, the modern risks of scientific knowledge.

Mohammed Arkoun

For a long time scholars have considered Islamic origins as basically
unproblematic. It seemed fairly straightforward: the founder was a
figure of relatively recent history, amply documented, and many of his
own writings and sayings survived. True, there had been a frenzy of
fabrication, but early Muslim scholars themselves had seen this early on
and moved to weed out spurious hadith (traditions of the founder's
sayings and deeds). What was left seemed ample enough, as did the text
of the Koran, the revelation of Allah to Muhammad. Even if one could not
confess with Muslims a belief in the divine inspiration (actually,
dictation) of the Koran, one still agreed the text preserved the
preachments of Muhammad. The most recent generation of students of
Islam, however, have broken with this consensus. Gunter Luling is joined
by many in his opinion that Western scholars of Islam and the Koran had
simply accepted the official party line of Muslim jurists and
theologians regarding the sources for Muhammad and early Islamic
history.... In fact, Western Islamicists had done everything but accept
the Koran as the revealed Word of God. In retrospect one wonders why
they balked at this last step!...

The Koran was assembled from a variety of prior Hagarene texts (hence
the contradictions re Jesus' death) in order to provide the Moses-like
Muhammad with a Torah of his own....

[T]his means that all we thought we knew of the Prophet Muhammad is
really a mass of fictive legal precedents meant to anchor this or that
Islamic practice once Muhammad had been recast as an Arab Moses. And the
question of the origin of the Koran is no longer "from Allah?" or "from
Muhammad?" but rather "from Muhammad?" or "from countless unnamed
Hagarene jurists?"... And it becomes equally evident that the line
between the Koran and the hadith must be erased, for both alike are now
seen to be repositories of sayings fictively attributed to the Prophet
and transmitted by word of mouth before being codified in canonical
written form.

Robert M. Price

[The Koran is one of] the most stubborn enemies of Civilisation,
Liberty, and the Truth which the world has yet known.

William Muir

adchin

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Nov 2, 2005, 1:00:12 AM11/2/05
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Whoaaa !! What a religion. No wonder suicide bombers are a dime a dozen


...lobert......

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Nov 2, 2005, 2:46:13 AM11/2/05
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adchin

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Nov 2, 2005, 5:07:37 AM11/2/05
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Man, life wasn't even this wild when I was a fraternity member as a student
in the US. We were told to get drunk and perhaps some action, only on
weekends. This is like forever, in the afterlife.


Dr Evil

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Nov 2, 2005, 5:30:05 AM11/2/05
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The wildest, dirtiest and most decadent place on the face of this Earth.
A place where anything goes and everyone cums.

Cum to Club God ...cum......


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