Mufti VS. USJ
Mark G.
head of a University for voicing opposition to the Syrian occupation, what
else would this traitor want to tell Lebanese to follow?
His motives are questionable.
Mark
Mufti slams USJ head for anti-Syrian remarks
The head of Universite Saint Joseph, Father Selim Abou, came under
harsh criticism by the mufti of Tripoli on Friday over recent
anti-government remarks calling for a Syrian withdrawal.
Speaking at a social function in Tripoli, Sheikh Taha Sabounji said
Abou had "abandoned" his role as an ideological theorist, academic and
national religious figure to carry a "bag full of sectarian poison" and
"raise a weapon aimed at national destruction."
Sabounji accused Abou of being "arrogant toward Islam and Muslims" and
criticizing Islamic and Arab history as well as Lebanon's army and leaders.
The cleric said that Abou was undermining the country's political and
social stability and added that while Abou was predicting doom and gloom,
"mobilizing students and provoking their anger and chaos," he was turning a
blind eye to Israeli crimes against the Palestinians.
Mustafa Naqib
their followers but Christian Fathers do it as well ! And this is totally
understandable, in fact it is the aim of every religion to motivate people
against injustice and oppression. Nobody blames Father Abou for wanting
freedom and independence, but he is certainly at fault for thinking that
Lebanon's freedom & stability could be achieved by driving Syria out of
Lebanon AT THIS STAGE of the conflict with the Zionist enemy.
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Lester Burnham
Lebanon. This is how they are trying to make it look, I'm sorry that u fell
in their trap.
Mustafa Naqib
dictatorship but not a foreign military occupation ( like "Israel"). Again,
in Lebanon TODAY it is either "Israel" or Syria. I prefer Syria of course.
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Lester Burnham
> dictatorship but not a foreign military occupation ( like "Israel").
Is 27 years a while?
and why would I tolerate an Arab dictatorship? I don't even tolerate a
Lebanese dictatorship (and nor should do any free citizen).
anyone not Lebanese is foreign, and there are more than 35000 syrian troops
in Lebanon, so that makes it a foreign military occupation, and even worse,
because syria is influencing each and every decision taken by Lebanon,
whether political, economical or social.
> Again, in Lebanon TODAY it is either "Israel" or Syria. I prefer Syria of
course.
Says who? Can't it just be Lebanon?
DrSMITH
I wonder how this Islamist speaks about Nationlism while insinuating
that attention should be brought towards Israel that is OUT of Lebanon
instead of asking for Syrians IN Lebanon to leave (putting the
Palestinian refugees problem aside).
Besides, what can one expect from a religious integrist that is
totally ignorant academically speaking.
DrSMITH.
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> You see Mark, not only Muslim Sheikhs use their influence to politicize
> their followers but Christian Fathers do it as well ! And this is totally
> understandable, in fact it is the aim of every religion to motivate people
> against injustice and oppression. Nobody blames Father Abou for wanting
> freedom and independence, but he is certainly at fault for thinking that
> Lebanon's freedom & stability could be achieved by driving Syria out of
> Lebanon AT THIS STAGE of the conflict with the Zionist enemy.
What has Sharon's tanks in Ramallah got to do with Syrian Tanks in my town
in the North?
I think the Syrian should send their tanks to the Golan where they Belong.
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Why do you prefer Syria, Is it because they killed 1000s of Lebanese
Christians?
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It is the weak like him, that allow Syria to stay over 27 years and
counting.
Mustafa Naqib
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I prefer Syria because the current Syrian political position in Lebanon is
in support of a Lebanese national unity. A strong Lebanon benefits the
Lebanese and Syrians alike, while a weak, divided and war torn Lebanon
brings misery to both Lebanese/Syrian PEOPLE and sets the stage (like it or
not) for an "Israeli" invasion/occupation, directly or indirectly.
Lester Burnham
> in support of a Lebanese national unity. A strong Lebanon benefits the
> Lebanese and Syrians alike, while a weak, divided and war torn Lebanon
> brings misery to both Lebanese/Syrian PEOPLE and sets the stage (like it
or
> not) for an "Israeli" invasion/occupation, directly or indirectly.
Don't you dare talk to me about national unity.
Does what the syrian-backed mufti say contribute to unity? or the flyers
distributed in beirut last year asking the MUSLIMS (not the supporters of
syria) to get on the street with knives and sticks to beat any CHRISTIAN who
asks for independence... and the security forces stand just watching these
while beating and jailing (helped by syrian mukhabarat) others (among whom
are women) who protest peacefully near the justice court?
While Selim Abou and Kornet Chehwan give solutions to reduce the huge burden
that Lebanon (not only the Christians but all Lebanese equally) is currently
carrying, syrian-backed politicians and demonstrations do everything to tear
Lebanon apart.
Mark G.
> You see Mark, not only Muslim Sheikhs use their influence to politicize
> their followers but Christian Fathers do it as well ! And this is totally
> understandable, in fact it is the aim of every religion to motivate people
> against injustice and oppression.
The Muslim Sheik does not condemn the Syrian occupation, further he thinks
that Syria is right in its security presence in Lebanon, this is just more
sectarian backplay. This guy is outmoded and ridiculous for not calling for
the apparent--Lebanon's sovereignity and independence.
Nobody blames Father Abou for wanting
> freedom and independence, but he is certainly at fault for thinking that
> Lebanon's freedom & stability could be achieved by driving Syria out of
> Lebanon AT THIS STAGE of the conflict with the Zionist enemy.
Only a free country can really speak with a full clear and loud voice
regarding the Israeli acts of agression, if you think Democratic reforms are
going to weaken Lebanon then by that logioc dictatorship is a good thing.
If anything a free Lebanon can be a full partner in peace, a full partner
for the cause of the displaced Palestinians, and an advocate of a just
settlement. Right now all of Lebanon's foreign policy is merely dictated by
Syria, all Lebanese judicial, ecexutive and legislative decisions are also
mere dictates from Syria.
Mark
Mark G.
> Most Arabs, including myself, would tolerate (for a while) an Arab
> dictatorship but not a foreign military occupation ( like "Israel").
Again,
> in Lebanon TODAY it is either "Israel" or Syria. I prefer Syria of course.
I don't prefer either. I prefer a free Lebanon, and there is no reason
other than the Assad dictatorships greed for power, money, and territorial
gains that it wishes to continue its occupation of Lebanon. A free Lebanon
is an economically prosperous Lebanon, a potential partner in peace and
solidarity and a gaurantee of human and civil rights. What is the status of
a Lebanon where the press is censored, where voting is a joke, where all
decisions must be cleared if not propagated from Syrian intelligence
officials? Lebanon is a sattelite state, and I do not find that a good
alternative to an independent Lebanon. There is no weakness in calling for
a democratic Lebanon, because in democracy there is strength in freedom--the
sheik is a sectarian power baiter in that he can not see the obvious--he is
a traitor.
Mark
DrSMITH
> Most Arabs,
That's sterotyping. Please speak for yourself.
including myself, would tolerate (for a while) an Arab
> dictatorship
This is a enormous contradiction "dictatorship" and "for a while"
can´t go in the same sentence.
> but not a foreign military occupation ( like "Israel").
So, Syrian presence in Lebanon is NOT a foreign military occupation?
This is completely absurd!
Again,
> in Lebanon TODAY it is either "Israel" or Syria.
Who said so? My bet is that it is either calming all Islamists, or
give the Christians tickets to a more tolerant country.
> I prefer Syria of course.
So obvious !!
DrSMITH.
Mustafa Naqib
this matter, I would've definitely put it in the middle of Syria and moved
the Capital from Damascus to Beirut. Please don't get me wrong, I love
Damascus (my wings were 'trimmed' there!) but I think a beautiful
Mediterranean city like Beirut deserves to be the Capital of Syria :-)
Mark G.
Syria because the current Syrian political position in Lebanon is
> in support of a Lebanese national unity. A strong Lebanon benefits the
> Lebanese and Syrians alike, while a weak, divided and war torn Lebanon
> brings misery to both Lebanese/Syrian PEOPLE and sets the stage (like it
or
> not) for an "Israeli" invasion/occupation, directly or indirectly.
You are incorrect, Syria lives off the internal divisions within Lebanese
society, it manages to dominate by offering incentives/and punishments to
Muslim politicans to ignore and agree with the occupation of Lebanon. Syria
is only concerned with Lebanon in as far as it can syphon off money from
several sectors of Lebanon's free trade economy. Further the "old guard" of
the Baath party has always believed that Lebanon's relative freedom is an
area of instability since every coup in Syria can trace its dissident roots
in Lebanon as a haven for exile. Syria consistently censors the press in
Lebanon, it denies free and fair trials, it controls the now rubber stamp
parliament in Beirut, and has a puppet president. Add this to security and
intelligence forces and 35k Syrian troops stationed in Lebanon, along with
constant intimidation and denial of liberties to those who criticise
Syria=OCCUPATION!
If you cant see that, then you are blind.
Mark
Mark G.
> > Says who? Can't it just be Lebanon?
> >
> Says the geopolitical reality, not Mustafa! if it was up to me to decide
on
> this matter, I would've definitely put it in the middle of Syria and moved
> the Capital from Damascus to Beirut. Please don't get me wrong, I love
> Damascus (my wings were 'trimmed' there!) but I think a beautiful
> Mediterranean city like Beirut deserves to be the Capital of Syria :-)
I'm not sure I understand the joke or the political statement you are trying
to make. If you are serious then it should only be taken as a joke, because
Lebanon should be a free country, and if you call yourself a Lebanese person
you are obligated to believe in a free Lebanon, otherwise pack your bags and
sew your mouth shut and nod your head as you live in Damascus. Also, while
enjoying your stay in Damascus you may be incliuned to throw stones at
Syrian parliamentarians that are being tortured at present for calling for
democratic reforms--after all you state that you prefer the Syrian
dictatorship. I for one prefer a free country.
Mark
Mm
Can someone explain why did the Gov. search the House of MP Mansour el Bon
today, an outspoken Kornat Shehwan member.
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If 27 years of occupation can't be seen, nothing will stir his conscience.
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> "Mustafa Naqib" <m.n...@gte.net> wrote in message
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> > Most Arabs,
>
> That's sterotyping. Please speak for yourself.
>
> including myself, would tolerate (for a while) an Arab
> > dictatorship
>
> This is a enormous contradiction "dictatorship" and "for a while"
> can´t go in the same sentence.
Today there will be a good documentary lesson for Arabs on KCET 9pm,
BRINGING DOWN THE DICTATOR!
Mustafa Naqib
Sure you missed my point :-) I'm trying to tell you that there is NO
difference between the Lebanese and the Syrian people. We dream the same
dreams, we speak the same language, we eat the same food, we share the same
culture & habits and best of all we are oppressed by the same dictatorship
in Damascus ;-) so chill out bro!!
Mark G.
you missed my point :-) I'm trying to tell you that there is NO
> difference between the Lebanese and the Syrian people. We dream the same
> dreams, we speak the same language, we eat the same food, we share the
same
> culture & habits and best of all we are oppressed by the same dictatorship
> in Damascus ;-) so chill out bro!!
I'll agree with most of what you say, but I think the essential point I am
making is that Lebanon needs to be a free country. A sheik that thinks it
is his duty to go around telling people not to call for an independent
Lebanon is doing no good at all to help Lebanon. There are many steps to
peacefully calling for the Syrian withdrawl, I believe it will take a cross
sectarian unity in which all the major za'uma will get together and call for
a removal of the Syrian presense. I am not naive, I understand that these
same leaders all profit from the Syrian occupation of Lebanon, it is then
the duty of all intelligent Lebanese people to put our case to the world
forums and the American policy makers.
Perhaps this mufti enjoys the censorship and lack of freedom that Syria is
throwing at Lebanon's feet? Im not sure.
There are thousands of Syrian troops occupying Lebanon, the Parliament is a
rubber stamp body, The legislative executive and judicial branches are all
rubber stamps of policies that emanate from Damascus.
As far as the "same dreams," I have no doubt that the vast majority of
Syrians aspire for a prosperous Syria that is free--however there is no
political culture on which to build any democratic reforms in Syria.
Lebanon is in quite a very different position, as we have always enjoyed
some participatory and parliamentary forms of democracy before the civil
war. Lebanon also has a free market economy and history, Syria has a long
way to go and the "reforms" that Assad has pushed through are all but a
joke. I am not waiting for Syria to modernize (though for the Syrians sake
I hope it will) however I am calling for Lebanon to regain its status as a
regional haven of freedom.
Lebanon, with its high exposue to European and Western values, language and
culture has the ability to promote itself as a location for businesses to
come to---so long as the Syrian occupation ends, and the border with the
Israelis is finally settled in the course of a regional peace deal.
Mark
xenolith
>
> It is the weak like him, that allow Syria to stay over 27 years and
> counting.
No, it is marionettes of the Jewish State playing Crusader lackies once more
in their "resistance" filled history.
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humid day; sometimes I inadvertently write the opposite of what I mean.
xenolith
>
> Why do you prefer Syria, Is it because they killed 1000s of Lebanese
> Christians?
Who do you like the Jewish State because they killed 1000s of Lebanese whom
you perceive as "non-Christian"?
xenolith
> I prefer Syria because the current Syrian political position in Lebanon is
> in support of a Lebanese national unity.
Mustafa, tell him to direct this question to his Zionist Clan of Syriac Holy
Warriors who have been kissing Syrian Ass (as well as Jewish Ass) for the
past 3 years on SCL. They like Syria and its regime just fine. They have
absolutely no problem with Syria at all, if it serves their purposes. In
fact, they have no problem telling the whole world that they are more than
ready and willing to deal with the devil, and they have, if it serves their
purposes. It is their leaders, in the first place who kissed Hafez Assad's
ass to intervene on their behalf in Lebanon. Then it is was their leaders
who asked the Israelis to intervene on their behalf. It was then their
Bashir Gemayel (war lord in life, God in death) who was the 1st appointed
puppet president of Lebanon, followed by his brother Amine Gemayel. They are
very good at starting things, rotten at finishing them.
The last thing on these people's mind is the welfare of Lebanon.
Lester Burnham
Lester Burnham
whom
> you perceive as "non-Christian"?
where did u read anything about liking israel?
xenolith
> news:jwJp8.2683$d7.8...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
> > You are incorrect, Syria lives off the internal divisions within
Lebanese
> > society, it manages to dominate by offering incentives/and punishments
to
> > Muslim politicans
The Zionist Clan of Syriac Holy Warriors, their pupils, and cronies can
never re-write history to deny that it was the Leaders of the Maronite
polity of the day, including all of what was known at the time as the Right
Wing or Christian Militias, kissed Syrian ass to intervene ion their behalf
in Lebanon. Later, the same politicians kissed Jewish ass to intervene on
their behalf in Lebanon. Today, people like Karim Pakradouni (head of the
Kataeb party), Eli Hobeika (former security chief of the Lebanese Forces) -
lately killed by Sharon, Amin Gemayel (son of founder of the Kataeb's party
and brother of Bashire Gemayel), Suleiman Franjiyeh (of the Marada), just to
name a few are competing in the service of the regime in Syria but are
probably just as ready and willing to serve the Jewish State.
The 1st puppet president installed in Lebanon was Bashir Gemayel (head of
the military wing of the Kataeb's party) installed by Israel immediately
after its invasion of Lebanon. Bshir was crown puppet king on the heap of
the corpses of some 15,000 Lebanese victims of the Israeli invasion. His
colleagues who were kissing Jewish ass yesterday, are kissing Syrian ass
today.
xenolith
All over the place.
xenolith
> Who r u talking about here????
New comer?
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Look again, DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
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> >
> > It is the weak like him, that allow Syria to stay over 27 years and
> > counting.
>
> No, it is marionettes of the Jewish State playing Crusader lackies once
more
> in their "resistance" filled history.
(yawning) You are boring and clueless.
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> >
> > Why do you prefer Syria, Is it because they killed 1000s of Lebanese
> > Christians?
>
> Who do you like the Jewish State because they killed 1000s of Lebanese
whom
> you perceive as "non-Christian"?
When are you going to get it right for once! to me Israel/Syria/Palestine
are all SOB, I hope they all get exterminated. They turned a Prosperous
Lebanon into a slum.
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IT is the old propaganda of the Left and Palestinian LAcheys, every time you
attack Syria they call you ZIONIST. What Gives.
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He has no real answer.
xenolith
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> > >
> > > It is the weak like him, that allow Syria to stay over 27 years and
> > > counting.
> >
> > No, it is marionettes of the Jewish State playing Crusader lackies once
> more
> > in their "resistance" filled history.
>
> (yawning) You are boring and clueless.
If you are not aware of the Jewish State marionettes playing crusader
lackies one more time in their "1400 year history of resistance against Arab
imperialists", who would be clueless. As for boring, I'm sure you won't find
me as interesting as watching blood spilled by the Jewish State over a six
pack.
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> > > >
> > > > It is the weak like him, that allow Syria to stay over 27 years and
> > > > counting.
> > >
> > > No, it is marionettes of the Jewish State playing Crusader lackies
once
> > more
> > > in their "resistance" filled history.
> >
> > (yawning) You are boring and clueless.
>
> If you are not aware of the Jewish State marionettes playing crusader
> lackies one more time in their "1400 year history of resistance against
Arab
> imperialists", who would be clueless. As for boring, I'm sure you won't
find
> me as interesting as watching blood spilled by the Jewish State over a six
> pack.
(Opening a budwieser) As I watch Arafat and his gang of terrorists, I am
enjoying every minute of this soap drama, who could ask for anything more.
Rumble Rumble, Those tanks taring up the territories, just like Fatah tore
up our City.
I love KARMA.
xenolith
> "xenolith" <xeno...@my-deja.NOSPAMORAMA.com> wrote in message
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> > If you are not aware of the Jewish State marionettes playing crusader
> > lackies one more time in their "1400 year history of resistance against
> Arab
> > imperialists", who would be clueless. As for boring, I'm sure you won't
> find
> > me as interesting as watching blood spilled by the Jewish State over a
six
> > pack.
>
> (Opening a budwieser) As I watch Arafat and his gang of terrorists, I am
> enjoying every minute of this soap drama, who could ask for anything more.
> Rumble Rumble, Those tanks taring up the territories, just like Fatah tore
> up our City.
Rumble rumble and a bottle of rum. Like a said, when Jerusalem was sacked by
the Crusaders, their allies in the region (those who gave them 50,000 stout
archers) rejoyced as well. There is no change in the historic picture that I
can see. But from a buch who hold such believes as "the slaughter of people
in Sabra and Shatila (and the Druze villages in the Shouf too, aparently)
was a religious duty to avenge the killings of the victims of Damour" one
can expect a lot more.
xenolith
> When are you going to get it right for once! to me Israel/Syria/Palestine
> are all SOB, I hope they all get exterminated.
This group therapy with the Vietnam war veterans does not seem to be
working. Exterminating people is bad.
> They turned a Prosperous
> Lebanon into a slum.
Mirror mirror on the wall, who should I blame today for it all?
Mark G.
budwieser) As I watch Arafat and his gang of terrorists, I am
> enjoying every minute of this soap drama, who could ask for anything more.
> Rumble Rumble, Those tanks taring up the territories, just like Fatah tore
> up our City.
>
> I love KARMA.
This is the ridiculous hateful side of opposition to Syrian occupation of
Lebanon. You seem to hate and despise Palestinians and Syrians as a people,
and you enjoy the sufferings of the Palestinians. I am ardently pro
Lebanon, and I support Lebanon's right to sovereignity and freedom, yet I
also realize the importance to a peace accord so that the Palestinians may
find justice. I listen and hear idiots call the Syrian occupation of
Lebanon "preferable" to the Israeli one, and people like you on the other
side who delight in the sufferings of the Palestinian people.
I for one do not see the two as oppositional--Lebanon should be a FREE
COUNTRY, and the issue of the Palestinians is quite easy--they should earn
through negotiations a free country with defined borders and the right to
return to that country. No Palestinians should ever be allowed to settle in
Lebanon, after all notonly would it rock the sectarian balance in Lebanon
but it would further undermine the rights of the Palestinians to return to
their homeland.
I for one am hoping for peace, and for a free Lebanon, neither one is
opposed to the other, and all you are doing is giving opposition to Syrian
tutelage a bad name.
Mark
Lester Burnham
you're the newcomer because you don't know that the ones you were talking
about are not my leaders and you clearly stated "their leaders" which means
that you did include me.
Lester Burnham
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wanted to make sure that Lebanon remains a slum forever:
It has thrown its poison all over Lebanon by trying to make muslims believe
that they are its allies (that reminds me of someone...), and for the sake
of Islam shall fight the free lebanese. In addition to that, it has set up a
puppet president, and mostly-puppet parliament and council of ministers.
Mark Ghazal
While I think you have a legitimate right and obligation to stand up to the
occupation of Lebanon, I disagree that *only* Syria turned Lebanon into a
slum. The factionalism among different Lebanese parties (Christian groups
included) aided to the weakness of Lebanese society. Muslims also are to
balme for their complicity, but Iranians, Israelis, Syrians and Americans
all stuck their noses in as well....Im not fond of any occupying force in
Lebanon. The sectarian, hateful, and self rightous attitude is what got
Lebanon in this place and allowed for the Assad clan to plunder and rape
Lebanon.
Mark
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>
> > > If you are not aware of the Jewish State marionettes playing crusader
> > > lackies one more time in their "1400 year history of resistance
against
> > Arab
> > > imperialists", who would be clueless. As for boring, I'm sure you
won't
> > find
> > > me as interesting as watching blood spilled by the Jewish State over a
> six
> > > pack.
> >
> > (Opening a budwieser) As I watch Arafat and his gang of terrorists, I am
> > enjoying every minute of this soap drama, who could ask for anything
more.
> > Rumble Rumble, Those tanks taring up the territories, just like Fatah
tore
> > up our City.
>
> Rumble rumble and a bottle of rum. Like a said, when Jerusalem was sacked
by
> the Crusaders, their allies in the region (those who gave them 50,000
stout
Still reminiscing about the Crusades, Man your hatred of Christians has no
boundaries.
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No I am just blasting a couple Balestinians on SCL, who thinks that this
Forum gives a shit who kills who in the Arab Israeli conflict, they could
all be thrown into the sea as far as I care, you seem to forget that it a
Fatah that wrote on our church in Damour "La Marouni be3ed al Yawm". So to
us Israel is the Lesser Evil, when compared with the Syrians and
Palestinians.
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> your stupidity stunned me
ROTFL
DeepBleu
Actually this is a lie. Nowhere in Damour was this slogan raised.
The responsibility of Damour falls entirely on Chamoun.
> So to
> us
to 'us'? Who the hell do you think you are. A little time real estate agent
that can hardly have a say in anything.
>Israel is the Lesser Evil, when compared with the Syrians and
> Palestinians.
>
First you turn Churches in brothels and real estate agencies and now dogs
like you start comparing others. Israel is the lesser evil? Of course, it
was your own natural ally.
You know, Kamal Jumblatt said it once: Those right wingers need a good
beating every 20-25 years in al-jabal. He was right! God created the Druze
for you - a thorn in your side. The moment you start thinking of yourself
more than a pimp in a church, the Druze boot goes down on your neck. And
for this we are quite thankful!
DeepBleu
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Blaming the Victim for the slaughter, Typical Palestinian Terrorist
thinking. You are nothing but a bunch of Animals, intent on killing and
butchering innocent lives, why can't you get back your land in Peaceful ways
like the Egyptians got their Sinai and water back! BECAUSE you are nothing
but a bunch of Terrorists feeding on hate from Sheikhs the likes of
Nassrallah the Persian Virgin.
Mark Ghazal
> Forum gives a shit who kills who in the Arab Israeli conflict, they could
> all be thrown into the sea as far as I care, you seem to forget that it a
> Fatah that wrote on our church in Damour "La Marouni be3ed al Yawm". So
to
> us Israel is the Lesser Evil, when compared with the Syrians and
> Palestinians.
Not only are your comments insensitive to the suffering that the
Palestinians are undergoing as a people, but you are incorrect in your
assesment of Israel being the "lesser evil." I dont prefer Israeli
occupation over Syrian occupation, I prefer a Free Lebanon. I do care about
the peace status in Israel because it affects regional stability and the
final status of the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, who should be
repatriated to a Palestinian state. I dont want to get into civil war
debates about who was "worse" and who was "better," it was a messy period
in lebanese history where people were betraying each other and allowing
foreign forces ranging from teh Syrians, the Iranians and the Israelis to
intervene and aid the destruction of Lebanon. A final status settlement
between the Palestinians and the Israelis is good for America, good for the
region, good for Palestinians and Israelis.....and as for Syria, it is
occupied by a dictatorial regime. Your sectarian calls for freedom will
fall on deaf ears, its not until the Lebanese as a group can present a real
call for freedom that resonates in the halls of Washington and the world as
a unifying force, not another sectarian rant regarding the civil war.
Mark
DeepBleu
Your morality is of the sort that is fit for the Druze boot that Jumblatt
talks about. And mind you, Jumblatt is Lebanese. Agreed?
>You are nothing but a bunch of Animals, intent on killing and
> butchering innocent lives,
Is it the same sort of animal that finds consolation and solace on hearing
the news of death of a Palestinian girl?
But whatever fits you: As long as you agree that the Druze are a thorn in
your side to rape and your women and pillage your towns. As long as you
agree that you are not better than a pimp who talks of Christianity and
Christ. You can be a Christian, fine with me, but you have to agree that
your life is worth nothing when the Druze military boot falls down on your
neck every 20-25 years.
Do we have an agreement here?
>why can't you get back your land in Peaceful ways
And let you collect you rent on your 28-unit place in peace?
You have to work for it!
> like the Egyptians got their Sinai and water back! BECAUSE you are
nothing
> but a bunch of Terrorists feeding on hate from Sheikhs the likes of
> Nassrallah the Persian Virgin.
>
This is fine as long as you agree that Chamoun destroyed Damour, that there
was no slogan in Damor on Maronites. That you made it up in your illusions
and that is *exactly* why you deserve the Druze military boot on your neck
every 20-25 years.
I believe we have something going here!
DeepBleu
>
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> > > "Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > > news:QL0q8.778$8T.4...@news3.news.adelphia.net...
Between us Lebanese, we forgive and forget, but when it comes to Outsiders
like PLO/Fatah terrorists, and "NAKRIN Il Jamyl" you bite the hand that
feeds you, you can all go to hell. God sent you Sharon as a punishment for
your Historical acts of Terrorism in Lebanon and Elsewhere.
More Crocodile tears, Our brave President Bush, just declared you fools
being fed by Tyrants of Iran and Syria via the puppets of Lebanon.
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"Mark Ghazal" <mgh...@uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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Read my Lips, I have hatred towards Israeli Occupation, but my Hatred of
Palestinians and Syrians is million times greater.
Mark Ghazal
> Read my Lips, I have hatred towards Israeli Occupation, but my Hatred of
> Palestinians and Syrians is million times greater.
Perhaps you should say "read my soundbytes," because you are uttering
nonsense. Your personal hatred of Syrian*s* and Palestinian*s* is your own
xenophobia, and I advise you realize that xenophobia is bad. Further, to
discuss a hatred of a *people* is assinine, you my friend are doing nothing
to help the Lebanese opposition to Syrian domination, but you are merely
supporting claims of factionalism and sectarianism. I have nothing against
the Syrian or Palestinian people, if anything I hope that both achieve
democratic forms of government in the future, and I especially hope that the
Palestinians can resettle in their own state--away from Lebanon.
I don't prefer Israel "over" Syria or Palestinians, I prefer a free lebanon
with peaceful neighbors!
Mark
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"Mark Ghazal" <mgh...@uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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I can't figure out what is your argument, since we both Agree the
Palestinians and Israelis and Syria, are A**holes who have made their
problems destroy our land. Still going until now, listen to what the
Secretary Rumsfeld said today, "Iran Syria should stop exporting terror Via
South Lebanon, Terror seems to Flourish in Countries that Oppress its
citizens, and the Dictatorships not only terrorize their people, but are
intent on sending it across their Borders to Neighboring states"
Mark G.
> I can't figure out what is your argument, since we both Agree the
> Palestinians and Israelis and Syria, are A**holes who have made their
> problems destroy our land. Still going until now, listen to what the
> Secretary Rumsfeld said today, "Iran Syria should stop exporting terror
Via
> South Lebanon, Terror seems to Flourish in Countries that Oppress its
> citizens, and the Dictatorships not only terrorize their people, but are
> intent on sending it across their Borders to Neighboring states"
My problem is that you sing the same old sectarian tune with your opposition
to Syria. I dont want Syrian occupation of Lebanon, not because Syrians are
inherently bad, or Syrians are culturally inferior, or they are "assholes"
as you say. I merely want Lebanon to be an independent peaceful country...I
hope the Syrians will have reforms, and I hope the Palestinians will find a
just peace with the Israelis. You bet a lot on your own personal
preconceptions and biases....I merely want a free Lebanon, and when you
remove all the hatred you present compared with the vision that people like
me present--a free lebanon is a possibility to unite all Lebanese.
Mark
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"Mark G." <mgh...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:805q8.1001$8T.4...@news3.news.adelphia.net...
> > I can't figure out what is your argument, since we both Agree the
> > Palestinians and Israelis and Syria, are A**holes who have made their
> > problems destroy our land. Still going until now, listen to what the
> > Secretary Rumsfeld said today, "Iran Syria should stop exporting terror
> Via
> > South Lebanon, Terror seems to Flourish in Countries that Oppress its
> > citizens, and the Dictatorships not only terrorize their people, but are
> > intent on sending it across their Borders to Neighboring states"
>
>
> My problem is that you sing the same old sectarian tune
How can it be Sectarian? When I call for the removal of Syrian Forces? Or
show impassion for the Palestinians, because I have not forgotten their
bloody past in Lebanon.
ex: Arafat spoke of Israeli Snipers shooting at his people, I wish I ad a
way to call him up, and remind him of the Snipers in Karantina shooting
every ting that moved on the Karantina Bridges. Sniper Bullets from Nabaa
(Nassrallah's ex home) and Karantina Camps, are still present in my Building
in Achrafieh, not to mention memories of those who died by them.
Mark G.
> > My problem is that you sing the same old sectarian tune
>
> How can it be Sectarian? When I call for the removal of Syrian Forces?
Or
> show impassion for the Palestinians, because I have not forgotten their
> bloody past in Lebanon.
>
> ex: Arafat spoke of Israeli Snipers shooting at his people, I wish I ad a
> way to call him up, and remind him of the Snipers in Karantina shooting
> every ting that moved on the Karantina Bridges. Sniper Bullets from
Nabaa
> (Nassrallah's ex home) and Karantina Camps, are still present in my
Building
> in Achrafieh, not to mention memories of those who died by them.
Example: You are talking in civil war mumbo jumbo. I think towards the
future, you can not discount that *all parties* in the civil war were
manipulating one another, and none were really looking out for the best
interest of Lebanon or for Unity. I dont care to debate the nuances of the
civil war, who was more guilty: the Iranians, the Syrians, Israelis, etc etc
etc....the point of contention that I have is for the *unity* of Lebanon. I
dont have ill will towards anyone: Syrians or Palestinians, I simply wish
that Lebanon should excercize sovereignity over its own area.
I do not care to hear anymore jibberish about civil war era matters that are
now in the past, the future is what Lebanon needs to be built on: unity and
freedom and independence. You rattle on like a broken record about your
hatred for Palestinians and Syrians, and I am telling you that you are being
ignorant in hating *people* for their corrupt governments decisions; Syrians
suffer every day at the hands of the corrupt Assad regime. I think that
security and peace (between the Israelis and Palestinians) is essential, and
that a free Lebanon is a prosperous safe Lebanon.
Mark
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"Mark G." <mgh...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> > > My problem is that you sing the same old sectarian tune
> >
> > How can it be Sectarian? When I call for the removal of Syrian Forces?
> Or
> > show impassion for the Palestinians, because I have not forgotten their
> > bloody past in Lebanon.
> >
> > ex: Arafat spoke of Israeli Snipers shooting at his people, I wish I ad
a
> > way to call him up, and remind him of the Snipers in Karantina shooting
> > every ting that moved on the Karantina Bridges. Sniper Bullets from
> Nabaa
> > (Nassrallah's ex home) and Karantina Camps, are still present in my
> Building
> > in Achrafieh, not to mention memories of those who died by them.
>
> Example: You are talking in civil war mumbo jumbo. I think towards the
People getting killed by Snpers from Karantina, is not Mumbo Jumbo, Life is
precious, that is why I despise the PLO/Fatah and Cronies.
> civil war, who was more guilty: the Iranians, the Syrians, Israelis, etc
etc
> etc....the point of contention that I have is for the *unity* of Lebanon.
I
> dont have ill will towards anyone: Syrians or Palestinians, I simply wish
This is where you prove to me that you have a hidden Agenda, Youi Have no
Ill towards Syrians or Palestinians, no mention of Israelis. Why are you
forcing me to Love the Killers of my People while you want me to hate
Israelis who done much less harm to me.
> that Lebanon should excercize sovereignity over its own area.
> I do not care to hear anymore jibberish about civil war era matters that
are
Why not? We must not forget what Arafat did to our land nor the 27 years of
Syrian occupation and tortures and Kidnappings and Rapes.
> now in the past, the future is what Lebanon needs to be built on: unity
and
No unity until Syria is out, Syria is feeding on our divisions, and
spreading its cancer. So my immediate attention should Syrian Hegenmony,
and NOT Ramallah.
> freedom and independence. You rattle on like a broken record about your
> hatred for Palestinians and Syrians, and I am telling you that you are
being
> ignorant in hating *people* for their corrupt governments decisions;
Syrians
> suffer every day at the hands of the corrupt Assad regime. I think that
> security and peace (between the Israelis and Palestinians) is essential,
and
> that a free Lebanon is a prosperous safe Lebanon.
> Mark
I will tell you what I tell my Syrian Friends, I will buy Syrian goods from
Syrian Stores, and visit Syria for a vacation ONLY when they stop their
OCCUPATION.
Mark G.
what I tell my Syrian Friends, I will buy Syrian goods from
> Syrian Stores, and visit Syria for a vacation ONLY when they stop their
> OCCUPATION.
Your lack of logic is really starting to grate on me. As a child of
emigrants, I am not in exactly a situation where buying goods from Syria is
an issue. The part of the equation that you continually forget is that the
Syrian people are themselves hostage to the dictatorial leadership in charge
of their country basically since the assumption of the Baath party in 1963.
Syrian members of parliament themselves have been jailed and are being
tortured for calling for more freedoms within Syria--even minor basic
freedoms like an end to emergency laws that govern Syria.
My point is that every day Syrians are hostage to their government, and have
no say in the policies that are made by their leaders. The only way that
this will change is internally, and with outside support for change. Syria
needs to start from the ground up and build a civil society, while I am not
an optimist there is a possibility that some groundwork could be laid within
the next 25 years that would build *some* civil institutions--though I am
doubtful.
A free Lebanon is the most economically prosperous Lebanon, as investors are
more comfortable with a free Lebanon. I believe that Lebanon has the
cultural capital, diversity and resources to be an important regional
country again. The duty of Lebanese in the diaspora is to lobby powers like
the US to include a full evacuation from Lebanon and a disarming of
Hizbollah in the final peace status agreements with Israel and Syria. That
is the only real way that I see the Syrians leaving Lebanon--by being bribed
at the peace table.
Mark
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"Mark G." <mgh...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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It has been my Experience, that Syrians mostly those in Lebanon, are taking
advantage of the Occupation. And Many Syrians consider Lebanon part of
Syria that must be returned to them. I meet few Syrians that do not favor
the Status quo in Lebanon.
Mark G.
Experience, that Syrians mostly those in Lebanon, are taking
> advantage of the Occupation. And Many Syrians consider Lebanon part of
> Syria that must be returned to them. I meet few Syrians that do not favor
> the Status quo in Lebanon.
I think we already discussed how when you use "personal experiences" to
justify policy making it makes your position look weak. I know many Syrians
that advocate democratic reform in Syria, and I know many Syrians that
detest the occupation of Lebanon. You employ the use of your own
experiences without hard facts, and that my friend makes your positions
flimsy.
I believe that most people, especially those languishing under dictatorial
rule, aspire for freedom. The Syrian people are suffering under the
dictatorship that has ruled Syria for over 3 decades. Again, you are having
trouble with this logic--Lebanon+Freedom does not = hatred of anyone. A
free Lebanon is best for everyone in the region, and for that matter a free
Syria and a just peace between the Israelis and Palestinians is best for
everyone in the region.
You justify your views by hating Syrians, and Palestinians but I justify
mine by a love of a free Lebanon, all else is not only inconsequential but
in your case xenophobic.
Mark
Mark G.
Experience, that Syrians mostly those in Lebanon, are taking
> advantage of the Occupation. And Many Syrians consider Lebanon part of
> Syria that must be returned to them. I meet few Syrians that do not favor
> the Status quo in Lebanon.
I think you should listen to some Syrian intellectuals in exile, reasoned
discourse is healthy. I think your views are very provincial.
Mark
xenolith
>
> Still reminiscing about the Crusades,
Remember the Victims of the Crusades. It is a part of our religion to avenge
the victims of the Crusades. You think your religion is the only religion
that demands vengence for the victims? Besides, I though the Clan is quite
proud of the 50,000 stout archers it supplied to the Crusades! What gives?
> Man your hatred of Christians has no
> boundaries.
Oh yeah it does. I do not object to Christian Art and Architecture in
airport halls.
xenolith
The fact that you cannot follow a thread is your problem not mine. If you
knew how to follow a thread, you would have known that the reply was not in
your fork and did not address you. Furthermore, if the people I mentioned
are not your leaders, then you are not implied. You are implicating yourself
and that tells a different story. Your transparent tactics do not condemn
the world to lunacy.
xenolith
> your stupidity stunned me
But your was quite anticipated - it was no surprise at all.
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Hard evidence is all over the place, Syrian Produce have put Lebanese farmer
out of business, better yet go to the Harbor and see how Syrians are given
priority on Loading containers from the few ships that come to shore.
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> "Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > Still reminiscing about the Crusades,
>
> Remember the Victims of the Crusades. It is a part of our religion to
avenge
> the victims of the Crusades. You think your religion is the only religion
> that demands vengence for the victims? Besides, I though the Clan is quite
errrrr, My religion does not call for Vengeance!
> > Man your hatred of Christians has no
> > boundaries.
>
> Oh yeah it does. I do not object to Christian Art and Architecture in
> airport halls.
Oh yeah, well I object to all religious Art in PUBLICLY OWNED places, it is
called Separation of State and Religion!
DeepBleu
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/damour1976/
> "xenolith" <xeno...@my-deja.NOSPAMORAMA.com> wrote in message
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> > "Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news:hF0q8.777$8T.4...@news3.news.adelphia.net...
> > >
> > > Still reminiscing about the Crusades,
> >
> > Remember the Victims of the Crusades. It is a part of our religion to
> avenge
> > the victims of the Crusades. You think your religion is the only
religion
> > that demands vengence for the victims? Besides, I though the Clan is
quite
>
> errrrr, My religion does not call for Vengeance!
>
call for?
> > > Man your hatred of Christians has no
> > > boundaries.
> >
> > Oh yeah it does. I do not object to Christian Art and Architecture in
> > airport halls.
>
Would you also object to the Druze military boot that comes slamming down on
your neck every two decades or so?
> Oh yeah, well I object to all religious Art in PUBLICLY OWNED places, it
is
> called Separation of State and Religion!
>
How come that someone who believes in making churches into whore houses talk
about the separation. The only separation I see is between your brains and
your body. Must be the repeated Druze military boot slamming on your skull!
DeepBleu
Mark Ghazal
farmer
> out of business, better yet go to the Harbor and see how Syrians are given
> priority on Loading containers from the few ships that come to shore.
I think we are having a problem using reasoned discourse. Perhaps it will
help if I try to help you with this formula:
Syrian people=Dominated by Dictatorship
Dictatorship in Syria is Opressing Lebanon
Your provincial attitude towards "loading docks," and your "house in
Achrafieh" or something and your own personal hatred of Syrians and
Palestinians is just plain silly. What is important in opposition towards
Syrian domination is to realize that Syria is run by a group of theives and
dictators, and that lobbying policy makers in the US to settle the Israeli
Palestinian conflict with a just outcome that will hopefully affect the
status of Lebanon. Your sectarian rantings regarding how much you prefer
Israelis, all the while as Israelis used so many willing Lebanese as mere
Pawns (as did the Syrians and the Iranians). The key to liberation is to
make it a movement that trascends sectarian, local or tribal claims--A free
Lebanon is good for all Lebanese, and is not based on hatred of anyone but
rather for love of Lebanon.
Mark
Mark Ghazal
"Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > Oh yeah it does. I do not object to Christian Art and Architecture in
> > airport halls.
>
> Oh yeah, well I object to all religious Art in PUBLICLY OWNED places, it
is
> called Separation of State and Religion!
I cant believe that this is even a discussion. Islamic styled art can
easily be paralleled with Byzantine or other forms of Art in Europe that
developed from the Christian faith. An airport lounge really doesnt matter
to me, I am a bit more concerned with the status of human rights, civil
liberties and freedoms in Lebanon.
mark
Mark Ghazal
who believes in making churches into whore houses talk
> about the separation. The only separation I see is between your brains
and
> your body. Must be the repeated Druze military boot slamming on your
skull!
> DeepBleu
Druze boot slamming on your skull? Thats a bit weird, not only in choice of
words, but in your meaning.
I for one much prefer the non skull slamming intenerary.
Mark
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> "Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/damour1976/
> > "xenolith" <xeno...@my-deja.NOSPAMORAMA.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > > news:hF0q8.777$8T.4...@news3.news.adelphia.net...
> > > >
> > > > Still reminiscing about the Crusades,
> > >
> > > Remember the Victims of the Crusades. It is a part of our religion to
> > avenge
> > > the victims of the Crusades. You think your religion is the only
> religion
> > > that demands vengence for the victims? Besides, I though the Clan is
> quite
> >
> > errrrr, My religion does not call for Vengeance!
> >
> But the prostitution houses you have made of your churches, what do these
> call for?
>
You seem to boast about your hatred of Christians, can you explain what your
sentence above, it makes no sense. Nawirna ya biy3in il Bandora wil
Chiclets Blease
DeepBleu
give it some thought. Specially people like Mm who a month ago was
describing how happy he was at the news of the death of a 13 year old
Palestinian girl. Sick characters like him need the shock treatment to take
him up to the realities and the precarious situation he is in. People who
show happiness at the news of death while talking of Christian forgiveness
are indeed the ones who have made whore houses of Churches. These are the
same ones who were whipped out By Jesus Christ from the temple.
DeepBleu
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If you are not concerned, well it concerns me very much, I don't want to see
my Country turning into an Islamic state nor a Christian State, We
sacrificed thousands to keep it from becoming a Palestinian state.
And yes it is Islamic Art, I have seen 2 Islamic talk shows on ART, and they
both use the same Islamic ART.
read below from http://www.skyscraper.org/tallest/t_petronas.htm
"...evoking Islamic arabesques and employing repetitive geometries
characteristic of Muslim architecture. In plan, an 8-point star formed by
intersecting squares is an obvious reference to Islamic design;..."
DeepBleu
Druze military boot comes down on your neck!
DeepBleu
DeepBleu
>
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> "Mark Ghazal" <mgh...@uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> >
> > > > Oh yeah it does. I do not object to Christian Art and Architecture
in
> > > > airport halls.
> > >
> > > Oh yeah, well I object to all religious Art in PUBLICLY OWNED places,
it
> > is
> > > called Separation of State and Religion!
> >
> > I cant believe that this is even a discussion. Islamic styled art can
> > easily be paralleled with Byzantine or other forms of Art in Europe that
> > developed from the Christian faith. An airport lounge really doesnt
> matter
> > to me, I am a bit more concerned with the status of human rights, civil
> > liberties and freedoms in Lebanon.
> > mark
>
>
> If you are not concerned, well it concerns me very much, I don't want to
see
> my Country turning into an Islamic state nor a Christian State, We
> sacrificed thousands to keep it from becoming a Palestinian state.
>
you: a pathetic character.
DeepBleu
Mark Ghazal
I am nots ure if you are yourself a Christian, however I would like to
remind you that humility is another Christian ideal. Christians are called
by Jesus to be humble, to be chaste, honest, and to value human life. There
are hypocrites all around us, but instead of judging people a real Christian
looks to the spiritual center within his or her own life.
Thats enough theology for now, but I don't take Mm's comments very
seriously, since they are so rooted in his own perspective instead of
objective realities. He chooses to hate all Syrians or to turn a blind eye
to the suffering of Palestinians and views those as opposed to a free
Lebanon. I for one believe in a free Lebanon that is democratic and secular
as a force to unite Lebanese people--I believe that the Palestinians rightly
deserve justice and their own state, and that it will affect the region as a
whole (lebanon included) to have stability and peace for all.
Mark
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Mark Ghazal
"Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:o0mq8.1338
> If you are not concerned, well it concerns me very much, I don't want to
see
> my Country turning into an Islamic state nor a Christian State, We
> sacrificed thousands to keep it from becoming a Palestinian state.
>
> And yes it is Islamic Art, I have seen 2 Islamic talk shows on ART, and
they
> both use the same Islamic ART.
>
> read below from http://www.skyscraper.org/tallest/t_petronas.htm
>
> "...evoking Islamic arabesques and employing repetitive geometries
> characteristic of Muslim architecture. In plan, an 8-point star formed by
> intersecting squares is an obvious reference to Islamic design;..."
So by your conclusion one can assume that an Islamic inspired artistic
format is equivalent to the establishment of an Islamic state? That is
ridiculous, after all Italy is a secular country, yet there are hundreds of
thousands of buildings inspired by Gothic or Byzantine art motifes--which
are from the Christian tradition. The great basillica styled buildings do
not necessarily mean that religion is being used in the format, but that it
may have inspired the use of such motifes. I find nothing wrong with
expressing one more facet of Lebanon's unique cultural and religous makeup.
Mark
Mark Ghazal
thousands to serve a pathetic criminal. And it shows well on
> you: a pathetic character.
> DeepBleu
The civil war was a period where people were all serving non Lebanese
entities in a move to gain power over Lebanon. It was silly, and
ridiculous. Each group had a patron that had its own reasons for
manipulating the Lebanese and playing on their insecurities--Syrians,
Iranians, Palestinians, Americans, Israelis. Personally I think that is an
ugly chapter in Lebanese history and now is the time to build a new Lebanon.
The Palestinian presense in Lebanon hopefully will be resolved in the
framework of a peace accord between the Israelis and Palestinians when the
former get proper leadership. I hope that we can witness the Palestinians
national aspirations for statehood realized and that they can repatriate
back to a Palestinian state of some form. That would be the best solution
for Lebanon and the Palestinians,
Mark
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Facts:
Resistance is Called Islamic not Lebanese. Most of the Arabs are
Politically Incorrect, they repeatedly speak of Shame to Islam because Quds
is under Jewish control.
I do not think that this historical conflict is about Palestinian Autonomy,
but more about Religious and Ideological and Radical struggles. Arabs want
Israel pushed to the sea, we were in that position once, when Arafat wanted
to deport us to Canada.
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> > "DeepBleu" <Deep...@DeepBleu.org> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > > > errrrr, My religion does not call for Vengeance!
> > > >
> > > But the prostitution houses you have made of your churches, what do
> these
> > > call for?
> > >
> >
> > You seem to boast about your hatred of Christians, can you explain what
> your
> > sentence above, it makes no sense. Nawirna ya biy3in il Bandora wil
> > Chiclets Blease
> >
> That is *please* for you ya waTee. Next time say it correctly when the
> Druze military boot comes down on your neck!
> DeepBleu
yawwn, you are boring me, you make no sense. What Military Druze, bi rabbak
stop smoking the cheap stuff.
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> Glad you like the provocative imagery. It indeed makes someone stop and
> give it some thought. Specially people like Mm who a month ago was
> describing how happy he was at the news of the death of a 13 year old
> Palestinian girl. Sick characters like him need the shock treatment to
take
You are a sick liar.
Mm
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"Mark Ghazal" <mgh...@uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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> Deep:
> I am nots ure if you are yourself a Christian, however I would like to
> remind you that humility is another Christian ideal. Christians are
called
> by Jesus to be humble, to be chaste, honest, and to value human life.
There
> are hypocrites all around us, but instead of judging people a real
Christian
> looks to the spiritual center within his or her own life.
> Thats enough theology for now, but I don't take Mm's comments very
> seriously, since they are so rooted in his own perspective instead of
> objective realities. He chooses to hate all Syrians or to turn a blind
eye
> to the suffering of Palestinians and views those as opposed to a free
> Lebanon. I for one believe in a free Lebanon that is democratic and
secular
> as a force to unite Lebanese people--I believe that the Palestinians
rightly
> deserve justice and their own state, and that it will affect the region as
a
> whole (lebanon included) to have stability and peace for all.
> Mark
I don't trust Paletininas, they are blood thirsty, hiding behind children,
and parading 6 year olds in Booy trapped uniforms. They are a sick society.
Look what they did to Lebanon, long before their attacks in 75.
Mm
> national aspirations for statehood realized and that they can repatriate
> back to a Palestinian state of some form. That would be the best solution
> for Lebanon and the Palestinians,
> Mark
Unfortunately for us It will never happen.
Mm
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"Mark Ghazal" <mgh...@uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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But Italy did not just loose 1/10 of its population from a Bloody civil
sectarian war, and it does not have a Militia force equipped by outsider
Islamic States planning on recapturing Jerusalem, and unlike us it has 99%
catholic population.
Mark Ghazal
this historical conflict is about Palestinian Autonomy,
> but more about Religious and Ideological and Radical struggles. Arabs
want
> Israel pushed to the sea, we were in that position once, when Arafat
wanted
> to deport us to Canada.
If you think Arafat has a religiuos agenda I advise you to inform Hamas and
Islamic Jihad which will surely move against Arafat as soon as he has his
own state. Again, you keep falling back into civil war lexicon, you must
have lived through that period, so you are unable to see anything from a
different light. I am telling you that your provincial and uneducated
backlash as Palestinians is ridiculous, the current state of affairs in
Israel is quite unbearable for ordinary Palestinians who suffer under
occupation. It is not right that Israel violates intl laws and establishes
settlements on their land....this is a whole issue that is seperate all
together, but as a Lebanese person I am obligated to inform you that
resistance to Syrian occupation should be uniform and free from your
sectarian rattling.
Also, it may help you to become more aquainted with the conflict by reading.
Mark
Mark Ghazal
Paletininas, they are blood thirsty, hiding behind children,
> and parading 6 year olds in Booy trapped uniforms. They are a sick
society.
> Look what they did to Lebanon, long before their attacks in 75.
It may help you to understand the society in which Palestinians live in,
that attributes their situation. What was so much more civilized about the
Lebanese people that butchered the Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila, if you
really want to sit there and play civil war games, I am not going to
continue this. I am looking at this as a regional situation, and for the
security and prosperity of all nations. I am not interested in your racist
generalizations and your daydreaming regarding lebanon.
People who think like you have rightly been sidelined in Lebanon, and even
in the diaspora.
Mark
Mark Ghazal
Only one line? Thats all you can muster? In the situation where a regional
peace deal is formed the Palestinians very well can be reintegrated into
their new homeland. Elaborate next time.
Mark
DeepBleu
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> "DeepBleu" <Deep...@DeepBleu.org> wrote in message
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> > Glad you like the provocative imagery. It indeed makes someone stop and
> > give it some thought. Specially people like Mm who a month ago was
> > describing how happy he was at the news of the death of a 13 year old
> > Palestinian girl. Sick characters like him need the shock treatment to
> take
>
> You are a sick liar.
>
yil3an illi 3imlak. Should I produce it from the archive? Or were you
gambling at the time, and what is a word or two about a dead 13 year old?
yil3an illi 3imlak wa7ad waTee.
DeepBleu
DeepBleu
> Deep:
> I am nots ure if you are yourself a Christian, however I would like to
> remind you that humility is another Christian ideal.
Humility is an ideal of all religions.
>I for one believe in a free Lebanon that is democratic and secular
> as a force to unite Lebanese people--I believe that the Palestinians
rightly
> deserve justice and their own state, and that it will affect the region as
a
> whole (lebanon included) to have stability and peace for all.
I am in total agreement with you on this issue.
DeepBleu
Mark Ghazal
> Humility is an ideal of all religions.
More or less. A denial of the flesh is especially a Christian ideal.
Asceticism, humility, an exultation of celibacy and sacrifice are ideals
that are emphasized in Christianity--well I should say in Roman Catholicism
and Greek Orthodoxy...protestants do not believe in the role that celibacy
can have especially in relation to their clergy.
> I am in total agreement with you on this issue.
> DeepBleu
Thats nice to know. This Mm guy is quite radical, but his arguments arent
even good. I consider myself on the politcial center, with my strong belief
in a united Lebanon. That is really quite a basic belief and it should
transcend the sectarian and clan politics this guy is babbling about.
Mark
Mark Ghazal
"Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:vgnq8.1348> But Italy did not
just loose 1/10 of its population from a Bloody civil
> sectarian war, and it does not have a Militia force equipped by outsider
> Islamic States planning on recapturing Jerusalem, and unlike us it has 99%
> catholic population.
Part of living in a free society is a basis of diversity, and a respect to
that diversity in the forms of culture, language, religion and even
architecture. In the US we have a variety of styles of architecture than
can lend themselves back to various groups. Lebanon is a religiously
diverse nation, and I do not see anything wrong with architecture that helps
to beautify Lebanon if it lends itself from various styles and periods.
Personally, I am a secular person, and I do not draw any religious meaning
from religous architecture, but I do find it asthetically pleasing.
In regards to your statement, it may be helpful to stop rattling off
soundbytes since they grate on peoples ears. I see no reason to have an
armed force in lebanon--namely Hizbollah. However the Syrians are using
Lebanon as a proxy ground and hizbollah as a proxy military to fight their
proxy war. There is no quick way to unshackle Lebanon from this predicament
but as I have repeatedly told you, it will require negotiations through a
regional peace deal.
Also, don't ask me to shed tears for Israel regarding attacks, after all it
is Israel that is occupying (against international laws, EU directives, UN
resolutions, and even US approval) the west bank and conducting an ethnic
cleansing policy in the form of settlements. I am not sympathetic to
Israel. However, I do realize the need for peace, NO Israelis should suffer
under duress or fear for their safety by any form of terrorism. The same
should apply to Palestinians. These things will all hopefully be hammered
out in a peace treaty with someone with more leadership skills than the war
atrocity minded Sharon or the idiot Arafat.
Mark
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The fact have not changed, you are a sick Liar.
Knock knock: Israeli Boot... Wati rassak.
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"Mark Ghazal" <mgh...@uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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> "Mm" <M...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:hbnq8.1346> I don't trust
> Paletininas, they are blood thirsty, hiding behind children,
> > and parading 6 year olds in Booy trapped uniforms. They are a sick
> society.
> > Look what they did to Lebanon, long before their attacks in 75.
>
> It may help you to understand the society in which Palestinians live in,
> that attributes their situation. What was so much more civilized about
the
> Lebanese people that butchered the Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila, if
you
Maybe you should ask what made people hate the Palestinian so much, please
do not go there.
I can type billionth of Bytes on that subject. I naver knew what a grad or
Katyusha or an AK 47 or Snipers are, ... Until Arafat and his terrorists
came to our lives.
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"Mark Ghazal" <mgh...@uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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Mark, Islam is intent on Driving the Israelis into the sea, if not in the
next century, or even in the next Millennium, when they get their chance.
The only thing Keeping Israel is its supreme power. They know it and the
Arabs know it, Israel will never allow a Palestinian state to exist, they
know that it will become just a Launching pad. The Situation is hopeless.
Mm
>
> Thats nice to know. This Mm guy is quite radical, but his arguments arent
> even good. I consider myself on the politcial center, with my strong
belief
> in a united Lebanon. That is really quite a basic belief and it should
> transcend the sectarian and clan politics this guy is babbling about.
> Mark
Where did you read about my position against a unified Lebanon? Why is my
hatred toward Palestinian/Syrian Occupiers considered Radical?
Mark Ghazal
> do not go there.
> I can type billionth of Bytes on that subject. I naver knew what a grad
or
> Katyusha or an AK 47 or Snipers are, ... Until Arafat and his terrorists
> came to our lives.
Exactly, you are stuck in this civil war mentality. I am from a younger
generation of people that dont really focus on these inconsequential matters
of what sect is more to blame. The answer is clear--unity. The answer is
clear: independence. The answer is clear: sovereignity.
All else is sectarian rattle. You are babbling about Arafat and how you
support the Israelis and that the Palestinians who were butchered in camps
by the Phalange deserved it? I dont think this is going anywhere as you
fail to grab at reason, and you revert to your own personal experiences as a
supplement for logic.
Mark
Mark Ghazal
intent on Driving the Israelis into the sea, if not in the
> next century, or even in the next Millennium, when they get their chance.
> The only thing Keeping Israel is its supreme power. They know it and the
> Arabs know it, Israel will never allow a Palestinian state to exist, they
> know that it will become just a Launching pad. The Situation is hopeless.
A peace agreement is a possibility. As for Islam as a religion, I believe
that a reformation is necessary, one that would allow people to disagree
with religious authorities etc. I disagree with your view that peace is
impossible, and I revert to what I keep asking you: Israel is illegally
settling land in opposition to the fourth geneva convention. No country on
earth recognizes this as licit action, can you please justify that?
I will make it easy for you,
You cant.
Mark