What do you guys think?

[ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ]

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ວີລະສິລ ~ "ຈັດມາຕາມຄວາມຮ້ຽກຮ້ອງ:
ເປັນຫຍັງລາວນອກຈື່ງບໍ່ມັກທຸງລາວກາວົງເດືອນ ?
ຕອບໃຫ້ເຂົ້າໃຈໄວ້ເດີ ວ່າ ເປັນບາງກຸ່ມ ເປັນບາງຄົນ !
ຜູ່ຖາມຄວນໃຊ້ຄໍາຖາມທີ່ດີກວ່ານີ້
ເພາະຜູ່ເຂົາເຈົ້າດີ ຮັກຊາດບ້ານເມືອງ ທຽວເມືອສ້າງເມືອສາກໍບໍ່ອຶດ
ພຽງແຕ່ບາງຄົນອາດບໍ່ຮູ້ບໍ່ເຫັນທໍ່ນັ້ນ
ສ່ວນພວກບ້າໄບ່ນັ້ນ ມັນຊິເຫັນອີ່ຫຍັງ ໓໕ ປີແລ້ວມີແຕ່ໄບ່
(ບໍ່ຢາກວ່າເຫົ່າດອກ) ໄບ່ໆໆໆໆໆໆໆໆໆໆ
ແລ້ວເຫັນຫຍັງດີງາມ ເຫັນເປັນປະໂຫຍດຕໍ່ສັງຄົມລາວ
ພໍໃຫ້ເຫັນວ່າມັນມີດີ ??????
ສ່ວນທຸງວົງເດືອນທ່ີສະເດັດເຈົ້າສຸພານຸວົງເພິ່ນຄິດຄົ້ນສ້າງເປັນສັນຍາລັກຂຶ້ນມານັ້ນແມ່ນຖືກຕ້ອງແລ້ວ
ຕາມພົງສາວະດານກໍວ່າອ້າຍລາວ ມາຈາກອ້າຍດາວ, ແຕ່ແນວໃດກໍຕາມ
ສິ່ງທີ່ວ່າດີທີ່ສຸດນັ້ນ ຄື :
- ດວງອາທິດເປັນສິ່ງມ່ີຄຸນ ແລະສໍາຄັນສູງສຸດແກ່ສັດໂລກ ໃນຍາມກາງເວັນ...
- ດວງເດືອນເປັນສິ່ງມ່ີຄຸນ ແລະສໍາຄັນສູງສຸດແກ່ສັດໂລກ ໃນຍາມກາງຄືນ...
ເດືອນນັ້ນສູງສົ່ງກວ່າດາວອີກແມ່ນບໍ່ ?
ພວກທີ່ຢູ່ອາເມຣິກາ ອາໄສຮົ່ມບາຣະມີທຸງກາດາວ ກໍຄວນຮູ້ ?
ອັນວ່າດາວລ້ານດວງ ຍັງບໍ່ທໍ່ດວງເດືອນພຽງເຄີ່ງຊີກ ແມ່ນບໍ່ ?
ຈຶ່ງງວ່າທຸງກາວົງເດືນ ຫຼືດວງເດືອນນັ້ນງາມແລ້ວປະເສີດແລ້ວ
ທັງຄວາມໝາຍກໍດີອີກ
ສ່ວນສີຂາວແດງຟ້ານັ້ນມີຄວາມໝາຍໃນໂຕມັນເອງ
ຖ້າບໍ່ຮູ້ຕ້ອງຮຽນນໍາພວກຢູ່ຝຣັ່ງ..
ເພາະປະເທດຝຣັ່ງມີແຕ່ສີ ສາມສີ ກໍບໍ່ເຫັນຜິດຕາຜູ່ໃດ !
ຊໍ້າຍັງເຄີຍເປັນນາຍງວໍາຫົວລາວອີກ !
ຂື່ຄໍ ຂື່ຫົວຄົນຖືທຸງລ້ານຊ້າງສາມຫົວໄດ້ແມ່ນບໍ່ ?
ສະນັ້ນ ຄວາມສໍາຄັນບໍ່ແມ່ນແຕ່ຄວາມໝາຍຢ່າງດຽວ ແມ່ນຈະສາມລ້ານຫົວກໍຄືເກົ່າ
ຫາກຫົວໂງ່ງ່າວ
ບໍ່ທັນສະໄໝຄືກະສັດລາວ ໃນຍຸກຫຼັງນີ້ ຈຶ່ງຕົກເປັນແຕ່ເມື່ອງຂຶ້ນຜູ່ອືີນ
ອັນສະແດງໃຫ້ເຫັນຄວາມອອ່ນແອ
ໄຮ້ຄວາມສາມາດ ແມ່ນບໍ່ ?
( ສ່ວນວິຣະກະສັດສະໄໝກ່ອນນັ້ນປະເສີດໝ້າເຄົາຣົບແທ້ໆ )
ພວກທີ່ຖືທຸງຊ້າງສາມຫົວແທ້ໆກໍຍັງຫ່າວບັນຍາຍຄວາມໝາຍຊົງເດດ ແບບບໍ່ອາຍ
ຊ້າງສາມຫົວນັ້ນບໍ່ມີຢູ່ທ່ີໃດດອກ ສ່ວນວ່າຊ້າງເອລາວັນຂອງພຣະອິນນັ້ນ ມື ໓໓
ສຽນ(ຫົວ)ເນີ..
ເວົ້າໄປມັນກະຫຼາຍຢ່າງ ແນວຄົນບໍ່ເປີດໃຈ ບໍ່ຍອມຮັບຄວາມເປັນຈິງບໍ່ຮູ້ໂລກດີ
ວ່າມັນຕ້ອງເປັນໄປຕາມກົດຂອງໄຕຣລັກ ອັນບໍ່ທ່ຽງແທ້ແນ່ນອນ
ຈຶ່ງພາກັນບ້ານໍ່າແຕ່ຂອງເກົ່າ
ເນົ່າກໍຍັງຊິເອົາມາກິນ !?
ຂໍໃຫ້ໃຊ້ຄວາມຄິດໃນທາງສ້າງສັນ ຈະດີກວ່າ
ແມ່ນຈະຢູ່ກໍສະບາຍ ແມ່ນຈະຕາຍກໍມີຜູ່ຄິດຮອດ
ອັນນີ້ດີກວ່າເນີ້...............

ຮັກແພງພີ່ນ້ອງລາວທຸກຄົນ ຊັງແຕ່ແນວຄິດທີ່ບໍ່ດີ ສ້າງຄວາມແຕກແຍກ

ຂອບໃຈ"

[Moobsib]

Thanks for posting, TKM. I read through and still don't have a clue as
to what the author is talking about.

Regard,

Moobsib

[yawgnomdub]

Do you see that he curse the people who worship the old 3 heads
elephant flag and they said worship the king is cilvilized and peace
of mind but they fail to see the moon flag. The new moon flag is
bright and live very high over the stars. The moon flag is very
educate and good. Look like he very hate the people who still carry
the old 3 heads elephant indeed, hahahaha... To me I don't care, each
one is bad as the other.

[ກາສາລາວ]

ອັນ ວີລະສິລ in Facebook ເວົ້າຫັ້ນ ກໍເວົ້າເອົາໃຈໂຕເອງອີກແລ້ວຫັ້ນ.
ອັນແນວ ເວົ້າເອົາໃຈໂຕເອງນີ້ ເວົ້າຍາມໃດ ກໍຖືກຍາມນັ້ນ.

ຕາມອ່ານເບິ່ງເພິ່ນເວົ້າ ຫັ້ນ ກະສັດຮຸ່ນກ່ອນຫັ້ນດີ ແຕ່ສຸດຫັຽງໆນີ້
ໃຊ້ການບໍໄດ້. ຄືມາເວົ້າແນວນັ້ນ ອັນບາດເຈົ້າສີສວ່າງວົງເດ?
ພວກເຈົ້າຍັງຮັກສາຮູບປັ້ນເພິ່ນຢູ່ແມ່ນບໍ? ນີ້ມັນໜາຍຄວາມວ່າແນວໃດ?
ຊິຕີລວດກວດພຽງບໍໄດ້ຕີ ຫັ້ນ?

ລອງຂຽນໃໝ່ເວົ້າໃໝ່ເບິ່ງດູນັ້ນ. ຢ່າຂຽນເອົາໃຈໂຕເອງຫລາຍ ເອົາໃຈເພິ່ນແນ່.

[ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ]

He goes on to say:
ທ່ານ ວີລະສິລ ~"ທຸງຊ້າງສາມຫົວເປັນສັນຍາລັກແຫ່ງຄວາມແຕກແຍກ ສາມອານາຈັກ
ເປັນສັກຍາຂອງລະບອບສັກດີນາຫຼ້າຫຼັງ ເປັນຍາລັກຂອງພວກປະຕິການຂາຍຊາດ"

[pizone]

Moobsib,

This ວີລະສິລ guy, gal or katheuy is ໄບ່ໆໆໆໆໆໆໆໆໆໆ (ບໍ່ຢາກວ່າເຫົ່າດອກ)
like he/she mentioned, that’s why you and most people here don’t
understand what he/she talked about.

ວີລະສິລ even doesn’t know what the moon and the sun really are, how
can he/she know something else to talk about? except to curse the lao
people of the old regime, the regime before his paradise communist
regime.

pizone

[ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ]

I think he was saying that the 3-headed elephant flag is outdated.

To me, neither flag bothers me. I don't know why people gotta get so
emotional about it.

Currently I support the new flag. It is recognized by every
government in every town, city, state and country in the world. It is
flying high in my kids' schools from the day they were in kindergarten
until today(high school). It is flying in the United Nations. It is
flying in every school in the United States and it is in every
Encyclopedia in the US and around the world.

It was flying when Carter was president, when Ford was President, When
Reagan was president, when the Bushes Sr. and both terms of Jr.'s
presidency, when Clinton was in office and up to now with Obama in the
Oval Office. I gotta respect that.

[KC]

ຄົນຫວຽດເຂົາບໍ່ໄດ້ເວົ້າວ່າຊ້າງສາມຫົວ ເຂົາເວົ້າວ່າຫົວສາມຊ້າງ

[bch]

Hahaha...Mr. ຫົວເປັນແກວແອວເປັນລາວ you' d like everythings of the Marxists even their shits you would say they smell very good!

"ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ" <lao...@aircav.com> wrote in message news:127da190-8d4f-42b3...@k10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

[ຜີ]

Personally I think that old flag (3 heads elephant) is beautiful. You
take one look and you immediately recognize it. Just like a Canada,
Cambodian or Janpanese flag. Simple elegant. Can't miss it which
country it belongs to. Now glance through a bunch of lookalike flag
like new Lao flag, Thai flag, etc...They all lookalike. Lack of
imagination. Who care what that circle stand for, what color is for. A
flag is like a brand, a logo of your product. If you don't make it
stick your own people won't even remember it.

By the way, that ວີລະສິລ guy totally got it wrong about the brightness
of the moon and the stars. Moon has no brightness on its own. The star
is. Since he does not know that the Sun is the star I'm pretty much
can say that he must came from a Viengxai cave somewhere. Next time
that he spend time do critical thinking before he started ranting his
mouth off. We patikan don't ditch something old to taste something new
because it is new. We will like your new flag if it is nice and unique
or at least a better design than the old flag.

[ເອັນທີວາຍ ບໍ່ຍອມແກ່]

I concur with you that ວີລະສິລ guy never study astronomy for sure and
somewhat ignorant and stupid. Overall, he doesn't know what he is
talking about, just ໄບ່ໄປຕາມພາສາຄົນປັນຍາອ່ອນ ແຕ່ອວດສະຫລາດ...Lol!

ເລື້ອງທຸງຊາດນັ້ນ ໃນເມື່ອບໍ່ມັກໜັງໜ້າກັນແລ້ວ ທຸງສິເປັນສີໃດມາ
ມີຄວາມໝາຍດີປານໃດກໍຕາມ
ມັນກໍບໍ່ມັກຢູ່ດີນັ້ນລະ...ອັນນີ້ແມ່ນທຳມະຊາດຂອງມະນຸດ!

[laokham]

Oh ! where is my idol bachelor of science massage khaidao Laophuan ? Are
you now taking over his task of internet news and web boards patrol ? Am
I supposed to tell you what I think ? Ok, let laodomham as you called me
tell you what I think, may I ?
Virasil (vilasil or vilasing issara writing), the name that bears no
meaning. Vira, pali means brave. Sil could means either rule or art,
depending on how screwed up he was. Brave art or Brave rule, does this
name make any sense to you ? Brave person, Viraxon, does. That's is why
I always say that the issara don't know what they are writing. Knows
what he writes, knows himself, knows his intelligence is what essential.
Talking about intelligence, Vilasil is an idiot because he displayed his
idiotic view about the triviality of his Phiba Republic's flag. Those
that hate Lao issara communist like me, for example, is not because of
the flag, not because what it symbolize, but because those idiots who
govern your republic underneath the shade of stupidity. Does it matter
with the design of flag ? Will it make any difference if your republic
change the flag to be a simple pha khao ma ? or will it make any
difference if it is designed with gold threaded Cucci, fierce crocodile
La Coste fabric with intricate patterns ? Will this makes your country
richer ? will it makes your people smarter ? No, it does not change a
thing, men do ! Men like you and your friend, aadgna Vilasil. Don't be
sad and don't be offended by my remark since there are not only two of
you. You have millions of your compatriots with such mentality and
shallow thinking. The mentality that makes you, your country what you
are today, destitute and backward in every ways.
How do you change all that ? Change your thinking ! Change your attitude
and your mentality. What aadgna Vilasil displayed is the reflection of
the issara mind exactly as I've said before, always interpreting the
wrong to be right. No matter what and no matter when, this is always in
their gene of cavemen's mentality. Ailao ? One moon better than million
stars ? Ailao my ass ! One moon my ass ! If any one who say these things
when explaining your communist country greatness. Slap him for me. Do
it for me two more times. Slap with all your might, twice !
Any idiot who likened the moon to be better than a thousand stars is
because he looks at it at the earth perspective as if he stands in the
center of the universe. Little that he knows how small the moon is
compare to those stars. It reflects on their shallow thinking and their
ambition. This is the mentality of your lao communist issara. We're
good, we're better, we improve etc.. yet we still beg, yet we are still
the world champion of poverty despite our great leadership under the
shadow of our one-moon-better-than-1000-stars flag for the past 37
years. He still have the nerve to mock the lao patikans who live under
the star spangle flag ? Was he on meth or just plain stupid ?

[ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ]

Tank to all friends for not forget me I'm fine and happy living
without
gout attack, no pressure, no bills plenty free time, plenty of extra
money
to spend, every month my pension check always direct deposit to my
account and every Atm machines in Vientiane love wallowed
my card..he he he...tonight they'll cook for me Lab Patong...

[ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ]

On Jan 29, 2:30 am, ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ <phet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tank to all friends for not forget me I'm fine and happy living
> without
> gout attack, no pressure, no bills plenty free time, plenty of extra
> money
> to spend, every month my pension check always direct deposit to my
> account and every Atm machines in Vientiane love wallowed
> my card..he he he...tonight they'll cook for me Lab Patong...

You actually read his crap? I can't get past the first 2-3 sentences.

Anywho, ຢ່າລືມໝາກລິ້ນໄມ້ເຜົາກັບຜັກກະໂດນເດີ້ ເຊີນແຊບ
ທິດແລ້ວນີ້ໝູ່ກະຮ້ອງຂ້ອຍໄປກິນລາບປາຕອງ ຊົດນໍ້າຕົ້ມມັນນຳແຊ້ບແຊບ

[Her Lao]

On Jan 27, 7:23 pm, ຜີ <phigong...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Personally I think that old flag (3 heads elephant) is beautiful. You
> take one look and you immediately recognize it. Just like a Canada,
> Cambodian or Janpanese flag. Simple elegant. Can't miss it which
> country it belongs to. Now glance through a bunch of lookalike flag
> like new Lao flag, Thai flag, etc...They all lookalike. Lack of
> imagination. Who care what that circle stand for, what color is for. A
> flag is like a brand, a logo of your product. If you don't make it
> stick your own people won't even remember it.

*** I have never been too attached to 3rd grade mentality, which has a
lot of attachment to cloth, clothes, wears, symbols, action figures,
etc..... But I DO AGREE that the old Lao flag, with a 3-headed
elephants DID/does distinguish Laos from other flags immediately upon
examination. Perhaps NOT THESE DAYS, but as a HISTORICAL SYMBOL....
"the country of one million elephants..." yes, the elephants invoke
mental pictures of a past of grandeur, significance, of a historied
people.

*** The present flag, just like the sickle-hammer red flag still
decorated many of Laos senior politicians offices and homes (even
though the Russians have burnt all of theirs).... it is just another
improvised piece of cloth illiterate communists in the 1940s, 50s, and
60s put together.... copied from, as Sao Sou Maly said a few times now
over the last 15 years, the Japanese, likely....

> By the way, that ວີລະສິລ guy totally got it wrong about the brightness
> of the moon and the stars. Moon has no brightness on its own.

*** LOL Someone thought the MOON shines with its own light source?

*** This is the typical trait ---- mind and "intellect" --- of
communist bureaucrats of our comrade Ambassador Thanouxay's
generation, and those a bit older (his elder/bosses) and those a few
younger, who grew up from the 1940s through the 1970s, in Laos: they
were literally from the CAVES of eastern Laos, and elsewhere... with
no more than 3rd-8th grade education, at best.


*** Even those, like comrade Thanouxay, who had a chance to go to
Europe (mostly to EASTERN Europe, as we all know how advanced those
Eastern Europeans under Comrade Stalin's Communists were, from the
1940s through the 1990s).... they learned to gossip the SAME political-
talk BULLSHIT..... in DIFFERENT languages (French, English, Slavic,
and some even Scandinavian and Germanic).... about 99.5% of them NEVER
truly IMMERSED themselves with BASIC SCIENTIFIC IDEAS and/or modern
commercial ideas ---- like, say, how steam works, how engines work,
what makes temperatures go up or down and how FAR could you get it up
or down, in order to ADVANCE techical applications when it comes to
industry applications in order to ADVANCE industry and commerce,
etc.....

*** All the guys ---- from their 40s to their 70s and 80s still IN
CHARGE OF Laos Communist Party today ---- are the same mediocre
people: they HELD HANDS and all sweared and declared and believed
north to be south, south to be north, good to be evil, evil to be
good, communism to be good and capitalism to be bad..... mind you,
they don't ACTUALLY PRACTICE such nonsene; they merely MAKE others
beleive such bullshit. But they themselves live quite COMFORTABLY....
not from the INDUSTRY and LABOR of communism but from the SAME
dependable FRUITS of NORMAL/average business and commerce elsewhere...
and WHEREVER THEY ACTUALLY IMPOSED collectivized farms and other
bullshit.... like Laos, China, Vietnam did in the 1950s, 60s, and
70s.... it FAILED miserable.....

*** North Korea IS STILL A CURRENT example of Communism and its
"Reality is what our Great Leader and Communism say what it is"
bullshit... It's an abject failure of incomparable proportions, with
at least 75% of the North Korean children in perpetual hunger, with
the AVERAGE being about 5 inches or more, SHORTER than their Southern
Korean counterparts by about high school age.... with men being short
starved of enough nutritients....

**** As a consequence, the People's Democratic Republic of the Great
North Korean Empire's armed forces HAD to lower its physical
requirements.... it used to be that a man had to be at least 5ft 3
inches, to enlist.... now, JUST ANY MAN would do, regardless of height
or girth....because the average man in North Korea --- due to life
long malnutritient, from the get go as said --- is either static, at
best, or regreassing, at worse... so if the armed forces demanded that
someone had to be 5'3" or taller to enlist, you'd get very, very few
men making the cuts.....

*** 'Tis what Communism --- both the 1950s and the "reformed" kind
(still practiced in Laos, China, and Vietnam) --- do to human beings:
they impose so much mindless crap on their citizens, the citizens are
REDUCED (compared to those in FREER SOCIETIES: no society is truly
totally free, so we are merely talking about DEGREES of freedom,
yes).... the citizens in communist countries are REDUCED mentally and
physically... so the AVERAGE person living in a Communist country has
the general knowledge and world view of the SLOWER, less capable
middle school students, HERE in the WEST.... but those slower and less
capable are in the POOL that, one generation after another, are in
CHARGE of Communist regimes...

[ກາສາລາວ]

GOTTA LOVE THE KHMER FLAG. THROUGH THICK AND THIN, THROUGH THE
UPHEAVALS OF THE 20TH CENTURY, THEM KHMER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RETAIN
THEIR TRUE IDENTITY.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Cambodia.svg

[Her Lao]

The Khmer of Cambodia HAVE a sense of history, of their own history,
which THEY KNOW goes through good and bad times.

Thus, they keep SOME historical symbols as national symbols, as
national pride.

They are different from Laos current, mediocre communist leaders in
charge of the country of One Million Elephants. Sadly --- as I have
said a few times now, I have no idea how many elephants are left in
Laos --- but sadly I don't think there are more than a few dozen wild
ones left. If at that!

I've never read much about, or study, the flatter terrains and vistas
from ViangChang and south... where, I presume, most of Laos vast
elephants herds used to live.... so I don't know if they still have
some regions, or reserves, to sustain more than a few dozen wild ones
these days....

As I said, I support some AFRICAL ELEPHANT PROJECTS, like the Amboseli
Trust for Elephants, ran by Cynthia Moss, and the David Sheldrick
Wildlife Trust, for orphaned baby elephants..... so I know quite a bit
of Africa's elephants, which still number in a few tens of thosuands,
all together... but Laos and Cambodia's... I know very little....
Thai's population, I have some rough ideas, because there are more
studies and research in Thailand....

Anyway...

You CAN'T blame Laos majestic animals, the elehpant's disappearing....
on Hmong hunters, either! Poor highland Hmong hunters likely wiped
out a lot of the small birds, squirrels, primates (monkeys), pigs,
wild cattle/oxes, deer, porcupines, etc.... which existed in the mid
to higher elevations Hmong used to live in and still do, to large
degree....

But elephants are all killed off or driven to extinction by lowland
Lao and other groups....

[DownUnder]

The flag should tell the story of the nation... so the old 3 haed
elepjhants is still more significant than the current Lao Issara flag.

Secondly, The old National Anthem is fitted with the old Lao flag..

But what about the new flag?? with the NEW national anthem??
Who would like to sing that NEW Lao Anthem aloud every morning like we
used to do at school??

With the passing of the Lao PR law, would any Lao PR person sing that
national anthem?

SO>>> the NEXT step is to RE_WRITE the Lao National Anthem so that all
Khun Lao can sing with pride. ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ .. would you sing that Lao
national anthem ALOUD?

du

[Her Lao]

++++++++++++++

As our Comrade Ambassador to Turkey says: when you're in Laos, under
the benevolent control of the Lao People Glorious Revolutionary Party,
you SING its song. Everyday, if you're told you had to!

And then grimace --- making it look like a smile --- and say, "That's
one cool, emotionally stirring piece of composition!"

If I ever go to Laos --- I doubt I ever will but if God, Jesus, or
Buddha appeared in my living room, telling me I HAD to --- I'd go to
ViengChang's main boulevards and carry with me the old red hammer-
sickle flag on one shoulder and the Lao communist flag on the
other...CARRYING THE BIGGEST ONES I could find..... to make sure the
Lao PRP/PDR's "faithfuls" think I am a lovable, smart, and
intellectually deep thinking man who's decorating himself with some of
the world's great symbols of freedom!

I sure hope gun loving Senorita Chuck Norritas Sao Sou Maly is not
there, with his M16 or Dirty Harry's .44 Magnum... shooting me, a tree-
hugging, "Save the Whales of the Oceans" LEFTIST man of peace or
shooting my COMMUNIST FLAGS.... to shreds...

[pizone]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheng_Xat_Lao

the former lao national flag with the white eravan elephant at the
center has more meaning and historically and naturally reflecting and
representing all lao people, who are peace loving people. The 5 steps
stand underneath the elephant represents the 5 buddhist precepts
(Sinh-5), which are the core moral rules of civilized human being to
live their peaceful and respectful life within each other and within
the nature....

the neolao flag is just a simple design commonly used by most new
countries and worse, like soumaly said, it represents the dependence
of japanese imperialism. the moon in the neolao flag is just like the
grand-kid of the imperialist japanese sun.

as for the lao commu national anthem, dr. pao is right, it should be
tossed away long time ago. it was written by the mad man commu during
the civil war using low grade words. laos has been in peace for more
than 3 decades now, who gonna sing this verse out loud? (may be only
laophuan or tkm like or have to sing it). here it goes, the beginning
of therefrain too,

"ບໍ່ໃຫ້ຝູງຈັກກະພັດ ແລະພວກຂາຍຊາດເຂົ້າມາລົບກວນ"

who are the animal jakkapat or imperialists? does vietnam include in
those animals imperialists?

who are the khay-xat? the real ones?

pizone

[ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ]

I left Laos when I was 3yo. I know nothing of the old nor the new. My
opinion of both is thus unbiassed.

[DownUnder]

As Laos is moving forward, all things need to be examined and clean up
or change to fit with the current position of Laos in the world scene.

Some of the past changes have been welcome.. including the changing of
Lao Issara to New Lao issara ==> Neo Lao Haksat to Neo Lao Sangxat.\

As Laos has been in peace for more than 30 years, and in keeping with
the recent passing of the Lao PR decree, it is now the time to clean
up the Lao National Anthem to reflect the modern Laos who is joining
the global community, where foes are now friends.

The lao people need to be proud of laos history and having a strong
affinity and loyal toward their motherland - and NOT to have one leg
in Laos and other leg on the other side of the Mekong.. How can laos
attract her other 60% Laonorks back to their motherland?

If we look at the history of mankind, it is clear that political
parties and ideologies are like sand castles. With the wind and the
tide of the sea, these castles will be washed away with time. But
DSine Dene ton gna - our motherland will stay there for ever if the
people of that land take good care of it. But the people must have a
stong attachment and loyalty to that land above all things. The
people must be made to be proud of their country. One simple way is to
have a national anthem that can get their heart racing and tear
flowing from their eyes - having such strong patriotic feeling of
being Khun Lao and be willing to sacrifice the self for the
motherland.

Hence, the wording of the lao national anthem should include WORDS and
MEANING, that anywhere & when the anthem is sung or played, are able
to penetrate the hearts & minds of every Khun Lao (Lao & all the
minority communities) from the youngest to the eldest, and from ALL
the Laonai to EVERY Laonorks.. It is the national anthem that will
bind all the people of the land together, from one generation to the
next.... so Laos will be there after we have gone.

HOW?
Just a thought...

du

[KC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSyKqP8WtV0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDI6cqAMAEM&feature=related

National Anthems Lyrics Laos National Anthem Lyrics
Laos
Pheng Xat Lao
(Laos National Anthem)
Latin Transliteration
Xatlao tangtae dayma lao thookthuana xeutxoo sootchay,
Huamhaeng huamchit huamchay samakkhikan pen kamlang diao.
Detdiao phomkan kaona booxa xukiat khong lao,
Songseum xaysit pen chao laothook xonphao sameu pabkan.
Bo hay foong chackkaphat lae phuak khayxat khaomalob kuan,
Lao thangmuan xoo ekkalat itsalaphab khong xatlao vay,
Tatsin chay soo xing ao xay phaxat kaopay soo khuam vatthana.

English:
For all time the Lao people have glorified their Fatherland,
United in heart, spirit and vigour as one.
Resolutely moving forwards,
Respecting and increasing the dignity of the Lao people
And proclaiming the right to be their own masters.
The Lao people of all origins are equal
And will no longer allow imperialists and traitors to harm them.
The entire people will safeguard the independence
And the freedom of the Lao nation.
They are resolved to struggle for victory
In order to lead the nation to prosperity.
source: http://www.lyricsondemand.com/

[ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ]

Don't fool yourself in thinking that you have any control in Laos. If
there's any changes to be made, it will be by the Lao people living in
Laos. We can't fool ourselves by thinking we can cram anything down
their throat. Lao people ARE very proud of their history. There is NO
lack of patriatism in Laos.

[DownUnder]

From the link posted by Pizone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheng_Xat_Lao

"Pheng Xat Lao" (Lao: ເພງຊາດລາວ) is the national anthem of the Lao
People's Democratic Republic. It was composed by Dr. Tongdee
Soontornwijit (1905-1968) in 1941 and adopted as the national anthem
of the Kingdom of Laos in 1947. The original lyrics were replaced when
the Lao People's Democratic Republic was established in 1975 by new
lyrics written by Sisana Sisane.

NEW Lao lyrics - 1975 version by Sisana Sisane:

ຊາດລາວຕັ້ງແຕ່ໃດມາ
ລາວທຸກຖ້ວນຫນ້າເຊີດຊູສຸດໃຈ
ຮ່ວມແຮງຮ່ວມຈິດຮ່ວມໃຈ
ສາມັກຄີກັນເປັນກຳລັງດຽວ
ເດັດດ່ຽວພ້ອມກັນກ້າວຫນ້າ
ບູຊາຊູກຽດຂອງລາວ
ສົ່ງເສີມໃຊ້ສິດເປັນເຈົ້າ
ລາວທຸກຊົນເຜົ່າສະເໝີພາບກັນ

ບໍ່ໃຫ້ຝູງຈັກກະພັດ
ແລະພວກຂາຍຊາດເຂົ້າມາລົບກວນ

ລາວທັງມວນຊູເອກະລາດ
ອິດສະລະພາບຂອງຊາດລາວໄວ້
ຕັດສິນໃຈສູ້ຊິງເອົາໄຊ
ພາຊາດກ້າວໄປສູ່ຄວາມວັດທະນາ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubj0r1HNEEg

Sad lao tung tae dai ma
Lao tooktuan na sertsoo soodjai,
Huamhang huamjid huamjai
Samagki gan pen gamlang diao.
Detdiao pom gan gaona
Boosa soo giat kong lao,
Songserm sai sit pen jao
Lao toog sonpao samer pab gun.
Baw hai puak juggapud
Le puag kaisad kaoma lob Guan,
Lao tung muan soo egalard
Idsalapab kong sard lao wai,
Tudsinjai soo sing ao say
Pa Sad lao pai soo kwam watthana.

For all time the Lao people

Have glorified their Fatherland,
United in heart,
Spirit and vigour as one.

Resolutely moving forwards,
Respecting and increasing the dignity of the Lao people
And proclaiming the right to be their own masters.
The Lao people of all origins are equal
And will no longer allow imperialists

And traitors to harm them.

The entire people will safeguard the independence
And the freedom of the Lao nation.
They are resolved to struggle for victory
In order to lead the nation to prosperity.

______________________________________________________

Original lyrics used in 1947 by Dr. Tongdee Soontornwijit:

ຊາດລາວຕັ້ງແຕ່ເດີມມາ
ຂື້ນຊື່ລືຊາຢູ່ໃນອາຊີ
ຊາວລາວຜູກພັນໄມຕຼີ
ຮ່ວມສາມັກຄີຮັກຫໍ່ໂຮມກັນ
ຮັກຊາດຮັກປະເທດເຮົາ
ຮັກເຈົ້າປົກເກດເກສາ
ໂຮມຮັກຮ່ວມສາສນາ
ແຕ່ບູຮານມາຮັກສາດິນແດນ
ບໍ່ໃຫ້ຊາດໃດມາລວນ
ຮາວີຮົບກວນຍາດແຍ່ງຊີງເອົາ
ໃຜຂືນເຂົ້າມາລູ່ວຸ່ນວາຍ
ສູ້ຈົນຕົວຕາຍຕ້ານທານສັດຕຼູ
ຊ່ວຍເຊີດຊູເລືອດເນື້ອເຊື້ອເຜົ່າ
ຟື້ນຟູກູ້ເອົາບັນເທົາທຸກກັນ

Xat Lao Tang Tae Deum Ma,
Keun Seu Leu Xa Yu Nay Asie,
Xao Lao Pouk Pan Maitri,
Huam Samakkhi Hak Hoh Hoam Khen.
Hak Xat Hak Pathet Hao,
Hak Jao Pok Ket Kesa,
Hoam Hak Huam Sasna,
Tae Buhan Ma Haksa Din Dan.
Bo Hay Xat Day Ma Luan,
Lavi Louk Kuan Gnat Gneng Xing Ao,
Pai Keun Khao Ma choun Vounvay,
Sou Jon Tua Thay Than Tan Sattou,
Xuay Xeut Xou Luad Neua Xeua Pao,
Fuen Fu Kou Ao Bantao Tuk Ken.

In the old days, our Lao people
Were famous all over Asia.
Because the Lao
Were united in love.
Still today, they love their people and country
And rally around their leaders.
They preserve the religion of their fathers,
And protect the soil of their ancestors.
They will never allow another nation to threaten them
Or to occupy their territory.
Every enemy who enters their country
Will find them ready to fight until death.
All together, they can restore the ancient glory of their blood,
and they will stand together in the days of danger.

[ກາສາລາວ]

THIS VERSION IS INDEED VERY ELEGANT AND APROPOS.

ຊາດລາວຕັ້ງແຕ່ເດີມມາ
ຂື້ນຊື່ລືຊາຢູ່ໃນອາຊີ
ຊາວລາວຜູກພັນໄມຕຼີ
ຮ່ວມສາມັກຄີຮັກຫໍ່ໂຮມກັນ
ຮັກຊາດຮັກປະເທດເຮົາ
ຮັກເຈົ້າປົກເກດເກສາ
ໂຮມຮັກຮ່ວມສາສນາ
ແຕ່ບູຮານມາຮັກສາດິນແດນ
ບໍ່ໃຫ້ຊາດໃດມາລວນ
ຮາວີຮົບກວນຍາດແຍ່ງຊີງເອົາ
ໃຜຂືນເຂົ້າມາລູ່ວຸ່ນວາຍ
ສູ້ຈົນຕົວຕາຍຕ້ານທານສັດຕຼູ
ຊ່ວຍເຊີດຊູເລືອດເນື້ອເຊື້ອເຜົ່າ
ຟື້ນຟູກູ້ເອົາບັນເທົາທຸກກັນ

AND HOW LONG WILL PEOPLE KEEP SINGING THIS LINE? YOU'VE GOTTA LEARN TO
LET IT GO AND IT STARTS FROM THE TOP.

> ບໍ່ໃຫ້ຝູງຈັກກະພັດ
> ແລະພວກຂາຍຊາດເຂົ້າມາລົບກວນ

I MEAN WHO IS ຈັກກະພັດ? AND WHO IS ຂາຍຊາດ?

ONCE WE ALL REALIZE THAT WE WERE PAWNS OF A BIGGER FORCE THEN WE WILL
START TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WERE ALL FOOLS.

[ທ້າວໄຂ່ມືດ]

On Feb 2, 12:59 am, ກາສາລາວ <casa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ONCE WE ALL REALIZE THAT WE WERE PAWNS OF A BIGGER FORCE THEN WE WILL
> START TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WERE ALL FOOLS.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If only more would realize!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ພັນພືດ]

Laokham,

You came back with the same old habit of attacking people's name or
pseudo/Screen name and treat them as stupid etc... In fact those
people do not even need to reply because your posting speak your mind
and everybody can see how frustrated you are... You always pretend to
be a highly educated person but from your attitude, people came to
realise that you are just a poor frustrated morron who do not even
know how to debate as a civilised person... Nothing substential. When
people attacked you with arguments, you turn to personnal
assassination by attacking their name and you even allow yourself to
attack their parents.

You better go back and try to educate yourself first for several year
before being able to come back and face the educated people here in
this respectable forum. Btw, if your parents didn't have time to teach
you politeness, you may need to also take behaviour course in addition
to civilisation courses.