Dear Kuwaiti brothers, why why
rash...@my-deja.com
Why there is so much injustice in Kuwait and then you
call yourself Muslims
The white christains can enter your country who have
never heard of Kuwait or Islam (I am not rascist at all)
I who was born in Kuwait, Muslim and a Pakistani cant
visit Kuwait
Kuwaitis should stop these luxurious life and support
Muslims all over the world. I know there are many good
Kuwaitis and there are many also rude misbehaved rascist
Kuwaitis. I ask you to help Muslims by joining or supporting
these Muslims who are fighting against russia,indians and
west. It is better than driving your mercedes along your
Shaarae Khaaleej. Kuwaitis are smart and healthy
and Allah will surely ask them what did you do in life
when I gave you so much. Awqaaf is surely doing a good job
Salaam and
I myself trying to improve as Muslims one day at a time.
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Before you buy.
Sparta
We help Chechenia and we help it everyday. Go to Kuwait and see what is
being done. Kuwait are usually secretive people that dont like to tell what
they do and what they help- something to do with the hadiths. From
government levels to people levels, Kuwait is doing quite a lot to help ease
the suffering. We might not have sent an army to fight with the Chechens
but we many people from several familiies have already went to aid the
refugees or fight along the Chechens. So please, check your information
better. Although, I agree that we can do more and this includes you,
Pakistan, and all of the world.
All the best and jazakoom allah el khair,
Bu Jasem
<rash...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:87hge4$5e6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
The Aggressor
or Islam (I am not rascist at all) I who was born in Kuwait, Muslim and a
Pakistani cant visit Kuwait>
there had to be a reason for not allowing you access, most probably an
immigration issue, and not a racist or ethnic one as you indicated. In any
case, i don't think this is a good reason for you to attack Kuwait or
Kuwaitis.
<I ask you to help Muslims by joining or supporting these Muslims who are
fighting against russia,indians and west.>
freedom, as opposed to a pacifist stance as called upom in true Islam, you
decide that Kuwaitis are better muslims? Also, last i heard, Pakistan was
part of India at some point in History, and Indian Muslims still have
relatives in Pakistan and vice-versa, would you prefer fighting against them
as well?
<Salaam and I myself trying to improve as Muslims one day at a time>
And may Allah enlighten and encourage you further in your efforts.
Lazyike
The Aggressor wrote:
>
> <I ask you to help Muslims by joining or supporting these Muslims who are
> fighting against russia,indians and west.>
> So, by promoting Kuwaitis to adhere to violence under the umbrella of
> freedom, as opposed to a pacifist stance as called upom in true Islam, you
> decide that Kuwaitis are better muslims? Also, last i heard, Pakistan was
> part of India at some point in History, and Indian Muslims still have
> relatives in Pakistan and vice-versa, would you prefer fighting against them
> as well?
>
> <Salaam and I myself trying to improve as Muslims one day at a time>
> And may Allah enlighten and encourage you further in your efforts.
I'm a bit confused about the above statements.... (see my other post re:RE:
forced deportation)
Everything I know about Islam is from examples of other Muslims... Islam is one
Jihad after another. yet the above says it is about pacifism????? What gives???
Ike
The Aggressor
One must not mix the interpretation of a religion's message with the
interpretation of the motives of the members of that religion. By no means
should one take individual actions as an example of the masses.My advice to
to is to take time out to research Islam in detail in order to grasp it's
true meaning, and not to rely on individual actions as portrayed in today's
media.(I need not go into the details and motives of more than 1400 years of
Islamic history to promote my point of view, as i'm sure it is irrelevant in
this particular post.)
If your interpretation of "Jihad" was killing and massacaring innocent
people, terrorism, wars and conflict, then you do not understand the meaning
of Islam. It is true that some fundemental elements in the Islamic world
succumb to these actions in the name of Islam everyday, as portrayed in the
media and so on...Jihad, in it's essence, does NOT mean "holy war", as some
put it. There is nothing holy about killing in the name of God. The word
'Jihad' in Arabic linguistics, means 'struggle'. Therefore, when one talks
about struggling to survive, or struggling for freedom, one may be termed as
a 'Mujahid' or struggler. The Afghan "Mujahedeen" fought the Soviets in a
struggle for freedom, therefore, their war was a struggle, and subsequently
referred to as a Jihad. Especially when their enemy was-as they describe
themselves-is a religion-less one with no presence of a God.
'Jihad' could also mean a struggle for acedemic proficiency, or social
improvement, or a better position in a company for that matter, since these
plights are a struggle towards excellence of some sort, and not just a path
towards terrorism and bloodshed.
Nowdays, with people like Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Arafat, Qaddafi,
the World Trade Center and Lockerbie bombers and so on, it is easy for them
to describe their individual struggles as "Jihad", since they fight-in their
point of view- the evil, satanic emelents of God's enemies, and their
adversaries in the West use this stance as a pivoting point for turning
world opinion against them in order to safeguard their worldwide interests.
It is no secret that people like Bin Laden, the Taleban and the members
of the 'Islamic Jihad' movement come from extremely fundemental schools of
Islamic thought, and that any kind of fundementalism is a threat to the
current stability in any region, Iran was a prime example. Therefore, when
vital interests are at stake, the opposing party takes to any means to
justify their struggle against their adversaries. That is why the word
'Jihad' is always preceeded by the words 'Islamic fundementalists' or
'terrorists', joining the meaning of terrorism with the meaning of struggle
for freedom. Saddam Hissein himself called his 'Mother of all Battles' a
Jihad against Western Imperialism, and his 'Saddams' Qadisiya' a jihad
against the Persian evil. It is very convenient for anyone to call a
struggle, any struggle, a 'jihad' when it serves one's motives and aims.
Having said that, you may ask about the many factions of 'Islamic
fundementalists' that call people to an armed struggle against the west,
like the "Islamic Jihad' movement for example. These are people that are
seeking a rebirth of the Islamic State, like the empire that was set up by
the Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) and his followers after his death. You may notice
that the Islamic leaders in Egypt-notable for their scholars in the Al-Azhar
University, and Saudi Arabia-notable for their custody of the Two Holy
Mosques, do not assist these 'extremist' factions because they believe that
these factions are in outright error with the true Islamic spirit of peace,
which explicitly does not call for extremism of any kind. Far from it. Islam
calls for moderation and peacful intent, and has always done so.
When you admit that everything you know about Islam comes from seeing
the examples of other muslims, think about it for a minute. Then ask
yourself how I and others like me in the muslim world, following your
footsteps-in an attempt to achieve a logical conclusion-would interpret
Christianity in the middle ages, or Judaeism in the occupied west bank
today. Do you think that the Popes of the Vatican were the true custodians
of the spirit of Christianity when they legalize writs of absolution to
murderers and profiteers, or when they side with the Kings that grant them
the largest amounts of land or Gold? Do you think that the IRA was wrong in
their fight against the throne of England when the English resort to mass
killings like 'Bloody Sunday'? Do you think William Wallace (William the
Braveheart) was wrong in leading the Scottish people against the Throne when
the English resort to genocide? I do not take Christianity or Judaeism for
bloody religions because i have been schooled by my own religion of Islam
that true Chritianity and true Judaeism come explicitly from the word of
God.
Coming back to the subject of this thread, i believe the author of the
first post was also in error as to the true meaning of Islam when he related
Kuwait's refusal to allow him entry with segregation and Islamic bias, as he
himself has admitted, and that is no shame. No one is perfect. He has the
courage to admit his shortcomings, and claims to improve himself everyday,
as a true muslim believer would do, and for that, he will be rewarded-God
willing- for his patience and his 'jihad' for a more enlightened idea of
Islam. As for his case, i believe, given very little facts, that it is an
immigration issue; either a void or unsuitable VISA application, or-albeit
less likely-a security issue, and not a religious one. (Kuwait has more than
160 nationalities concentrated in a city no larger than East Los Angeles!)
I hope i have answered your query to serve you with a better
understanding of the current state of affairs.
rash...@my-deja.com
I have worked there and I have seen the treatment
of my countrymen and of also other Asians.
Please talk to your kuwiati friends in ministry
and other social group and diwanias to make them aware of this
It is a jehad to get these things right and treat
other people as human and show how good Muslim you are.
Even if he is Indian hindu or chinese or Phillipino he deserves full
respect as he is a guest in your country.
Kuwait is still in Asia and a Islamic country
Please dont deny the fact,
I will not rest and keep on informing you about
this problem.
90 % of Kuwaitis are High school educated and
still act as if they are arogant sheikhs
that mentallity has to go.
There are problems in my country which is
mainly due to economics
Allah has given you oil and you guys dont have
to work as hard as us so at least with all this
dinars donate to some poor country or open
up a factory, industry, school, software house
in poor Muslim country like Bosnia, Soamalia, Bangladesh
Senegal,Chechnya,Afgahnistan
All this money should not be spent on buying mercedes,
bmw,big Villas(in london,or US) or having several maids
I can go on and on
I am not trying to embarace Kuwait, Kuwait is my birth country
unfortunatley I cant visit.I am not desperate to go to Kuwait.
Salaam
In article <87m31k$g3...@news.qualitynet.net>,
"The Aggressor" <theagg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <The white christains can enter your country who have never heard of
Kuwait
> or Islam (I am not rascist at all) I who was born in Kuwait, Muslim
and a
> Pakistani cant visit Kuwait>
> If you were born and lived in in Kuwait, and can't visit it
anymore,
> there had to be a reason for not allowing you access, most probably an
> immigration issue, and not a racist or ethnic one as you indicated.
In any
> case, i don't think this is a good reason for you to attack Kuwait or
> Kuwaitis.
> <I ask you to help Muslims by joining or supporting these Muslims who
are
> fighting against russia,indians and west.>
> So, by promoting Kuwaitis to adhere to violence under the
umbrella of
> freedom, as opposed to a pacifist stance as called upom in true
Islam, you
> decide that Kuwaitis are better muslims? Also, last i heard, Pakistan
was
> part of India at some point in History, and Indian Muslims still have
> relatives in Pakistan and vice-versa, would you prefer fighting
against them
> as well?
>
> <Salaam and I myself trying to improve as Muslims one day at a time>
> And may Allah enlighten and encourage you further in your efforts.
>
>
tor...@nym.alias.net
Kuwait you will find these bearded rats collecting money for
Chechenia. The proceeds is usually divided into three parts. One
third goes to Chechenia, another third goes to help sponsor
international Islamic activities and terrorism, the last third is used
by Moslem brothers and sisters to get married!
In article <87hrhb$aoq$1...@news01.cit.cornell.edu>, "Sparta" says...
>
>Dear Rashid,
>We help Chechenia and we help it everyday. Go to Kuwait and see what is
>being done. Kuwait are usually secretive people that dont like to tell what
>they do and what they help- something to do with the hadiths. From
>government levels to people levels, Kuwait is doing quite a lot to help ease
>the suffering. We might not have sent an army to fight with the Chechens
>but we many people from several familiies have already went to aid the
>refugees or fight along the Chechens. So please, check your information
>better. Although, I agree that we can do more and this includes you,
>Pakistan, and all of the world.
>
>All the best and jazakoom allah el khair,
>Bu Jasem
>
>
><rash...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:87hge4$5e6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> Dear Kuwaiti brothers, why why I ask you
>>
>> Why there is so much injustice in Kuwait and then you
>> call yourself Muslims
>>
>> The white christains can enter your country who have
>> never heard of Kuwait or Islam (I am not rascist at all)
>> I who was born in Kuwait, Muslim and a Pakistani cant
>> visit Kuwait
>> Kuwaitis should stop these luxurious life and support
>> Muslims all over the world. I know there are many good
>> Kuwaitis and there are many also rude misbehaved rascist
>> Kuwaitis. I ask you to help Muslims by joining or supporting
>> these Muslims who are fighting against russia,indians and
>> west. It is better than driving your mercedes along your
>> Shaarae Khaaleej. Kuwaitis are smart and healthy
>> and Allah will surely ask them what did you do in life
>> when I gave you so much. Awqaaf is surely doing a good job
>>
>> Salaam and
>> I myself trying to improve as Muslims one day at a time.
Sparta
Again I would like to raise a point from an Islamic point of view and that
is the " sin of lying". "90% of kuwaitis are high school educated?" How do
you call yourself a brother and lie so bluntly. Check your damn
information if you are looking for truth or just be brave and say you are
plainly prejudice.
I agree with you that SOME Kuwaitis treat workers bad and this should and
must get better. But we have to also understand this from a sociological
view. These workers which you speak of are untrained, mostly uneducated
much less than highschool), and ignorant of the customs. This will
immediately cause conflicts. Thats why there is some differences between
treatment. There are many professors in Kuwait of Indian, Pakistani, etc
origins for instance who get salaries much higher than Kuwaitis not for
their intelligence always but just because they are expatriates and their
education.
As for your country ( I am assuming Pakistan- correct me if I am wrong), I
know several of the richest pakistanis here in my area. I see them in Eid
celebrations only. I am told they are regulars at the bars, so it might be
heard seeing them there. There are poor Pakistani brothers here that would
need any help they can get, but none of these bastards help. Pakistan might
not be an economic power. But even if it was, it will never be fair to its
poor.
As for donations. I guess you should remember from your life in Kuwait that
wherever you go..there is agencies to collect money to help poorer Islamic
countries. On a government level, you cannot underestimate how much Kuwait
helped Pakistan ( check with your government). The Kuwait fund for Arab
Economic Development, The Islamic Development Bank ( with Saudi Arabia), and
many other government agencies helped a lot. Personal level is also
recorded with all the Islamic agencies in Kuwait.
We were backstabbed by people who are ungrateful of our help. I hate to see
that Pakistan will be one of those ungrateful countries. But I know that
this is your personal opinion and not the opinion of the Pakistani brothers.
All the best inshalla.
Bu Jasem.
P.S: As for the big villas, check with SOME of the Rich Pakistanis in
England with their Bentleys and their "CRAPPY" attitude. If you need to
find them, dont look at Mosques but the night clubs of Mayfair might be a
better area to look. Start nagging there!
<rash...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:87n3u2$vh1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > <The white christains can enter your country who have never heard of
> Kuwait
> > or Islam (I am not rascist at all) I who was born in Kuwait, Muslim
> and a
> > Pakistani cant visit Kuwait>
> > If you were born and lived in in Kuwait, and can't visit it
> anymore,
> > there had to be a reason for not allowing you access, most probably an
> > immigration issue, and not a racist or ethnic one as you indicated.
> In any
> > case, i don't think this is a good reason for you to attack Kuwait or
> > Kuwaitis.
> > <I ask you to help Muslims by joining or supporting these Muslims who
> are
> > fighting against russia,indians and west.>
> > So, by promoting Kuwaitis to adhere to violence under the
> umbrella of
> > freedom, as opposed to a pacifist stance as called upom in true
> Islam, you
> > decide that Kuwaitis are better muslims? Also, last i heard, Pakistan
> was
> > part of India at some point in History, and Indian Muslims still have
> > relatives in Pakistan and vice-versa, would you prefer fighting
> against them
> > as well?
> >
> > <Salaam and I myself trying to improve as Muslims one day at a time>
> > And may Allah enlighten and encourage you further in your efforts.
> >
> >
>
>
rash...@my-deja.com
Ok then tell me how many Kuwaitis are high school educated.
It is a majority of Kuwaitis who mistreat expats I have seen
by my own eyes.
In the ministry where I worked before I was never ( for 5 years)
given raise in salary or any training on the other hand
a high school kid who has just been hired will
get a raise and training in America. I ask them why I
a US educated engineer like me who will be working on these machine
and fixing it, how come I am not getting trained.
It is the policy of Kuwait govt. which obviously
dictate the immigration law not to allow Pakistani
in Kuwait, well the western are welcomed as if they are the lords
of Kuwait.My younger bother US educated engineer also and born in Kuwait
is not also getting a visit visa, trying for the last
5 months. NOw dont say I am lying.
I have some more brothers and sister in US and Cananda born in Kuwait
cant visit Kuwait. My neighbour who is American dont know where Kuwait
is thinking of working in Kuwait I am sure he is going to get a visa.
I had met couple of Americans in Kuwait who are really mechanics
working as manager are getting KD 1800 a month or more and they laugh
at me saying you US educated
engineer who knows much more gets 1/5 of that amount(1800/5).
I can go on and on. My wife got a job in kUwait with fantastic salary,
the very same day they came to know she is Pakistani not American
she lost the job. She looks like American thats what fooled the
Kuwaitis first.
I try to get Driving license I had Texas Driving now after failing
three times I asked the zaabit (police) why I am failing he said
even if you try alf mara (thousand time) you will fail.
On the other hand the same American having Texas drving license will
pass. I went through the same test in US Well finally I had to pay
somebody which I hated to do then I got the license
I am going to come to Kuwait as Canadian INshaAllah then challenge
the Kuwaitis It is my duty as a Muslim to challenge the wrong
as I am also doing this in Pakistan also.
BU Jassim I can go on and 0n and on
I have so many stories I can write a book
If you were back stabbed it happens. Saddam is an evil
who has a backing of CIA.
Those mercedes,bmws should go and live reasonable not like arogant
sheikhs.
How many times I have been stopped by Kuwait driver saying how dare
you not give us the lane, how come you over took us, how come how come
WELL REST TO BE CONTINUED AFTER THE REPLY
SALAAM
In article <87no3t$sac$1...@news01.cit.cornell.edu>,
adr1ano
Sparta wrote in message <87no3t$sac$1...@news01.cit.cornell.edu>...
>Dear Brother Rashid.
>We were backstabbed by people who are ungrateful of our help.
>
>BUT IT IS APPALLING TO SEE THEIR UNGRATEFUL ATTITUDE.
>A MUSLIM IS A PERSON WHO IS SAFE FROM THE TONGUE OF
>ANOTHER MUSLIM BROTHER RASHID ! LOOK TO YOUR OWN !
>THERE ARE MANY FORMS OF ASSISTANCE FROM KUWAIT TO
>THOSE LESS FORTUNATE AROUND THE WORLD WHICH ARE
>NOT PUBLICIZED AND KUWAIT DOES NOT NEED PEOPLE TO
>KNOW ABOUT IT EITHER. ALLAH KNOWS AND THAT IS ENOUGH.
>NO, I'M DEFINATELY NOT KUWAITI OR ARAB, JUST MUSLIM IN UK.
>EVERYBODY WILL BE JUDGED AND ASKED WHAT THEY DID IN
>THIS LIFE WITH ABILITIES PLUS RESOURCES GRANTED BY ALLAH.
>WILL SOME STAND AND SAY THAT WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH
>THEY INSULTED THEIR MUSLIM BROTHERS, DEMANDING THEY
>GIVE THEM WHAT THEY HAD AND THEY RESENTED THEM ?
>WILL SOME STAND AND SAY THAT WITH THEIR HEARTS THEY
>WERE GIVEN THEY DECIDED TO OVERTLY SHOW JEALOUSY ?
>KUWAIT's GOVERNMENT ASSIST OTHERS, SO DO KUWAITI PEOPLE.
>WHAT I HAVE OR NOT AND WHAT YOU HAVE OR NOT IS "QADR".
>I DO NOT COVET WHAT A MUSLIM NEIGHBOUR OR KUWAITIS HAVE.
>THE DAY OF FULL RECKONING WILL COME FOR US ALL BROTHER.
>IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY DO GOOD DEEDS WITH WHATEVER
>ABILITIES YOU HAVE AND THINK CLEAN THOUGHTS OF THOSE WHO
>DO HELP PEOPLE WITH THEIR MONEY AROUND THE WORLD.
>
>On a government level, you cannot underestimate how much Kuwait
>helped Pakistan ( check with your government). The Kuwait fund for Arab
>Economic Development, The Islamic Development Bank ( with Saudi Arabia),
>and many other government agencies helped a lot. Personal level is also
>recorded with all the Islamic agencies in Kuwait.
rash...@my-deja.com
"adr1ano" <adr...@netscapeonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Sparta wrote in message <87no3t$sac$1...@news01.cit.cornell.edu>...
> >Dear Brother Rashid.
> >
> >BUT IT IS APPALLING TO SEE THEIR UNGRATEFUL ATTITUDE.
> >A MUSLIM IS A PERSON WHO IS SAFE FROM THE TONGUE OF
> >ANOTHER MUSLIM BROTHER RASHID ! LOOK TO YOUR OWN !
> >THERE ARE MANY FORMS OF ASSISTANCE FROM KUWAIT TO
> >THOSE LESS FORTUNATE AROUND THE WORLD WHICH ARE
> >NOT PUBLICIZED AND KUWAIT DOES NOT NEED PEOPLE TO
> >KNOW ABOUT IT EITHER. ALLAH KNOWS AND THAT IS ENOUGH.
> >NO, I'M DEFINATELY NOT KUWAITI OR ARAB, JUST MUSLIM IN UK.
> >EVERYBODY WILL BE JUDGED AND ASKED WHAT THEY DID IN
> >THIS LIFE WITH ABILITIES PLUS RESOURCES GRANTED BY ALLAH.
> >WILL SOME STAND AND SAY THAT WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH
> >THEY INSULTED THEIR MUSLIM BROTHERS, DEMANDING THEY
> >GIVE THEM WHAT THEY HAD AND THEY RESENTED THEM ?
> >WILL SOME STAND AND SAY THAT WITH THEIR HEARTS THEY
> >WERE GIVEN THEY DECIDED TO OVERTLY SHOW JEALOUSY ?
> >KUWAIT's GOVERNMENT ASSIST OTHERS, SO DO KUWAITI PEOPLE.
> >WHAT I HAVE OR NOT AND WHAT YOU HAVE OR NOT IS "QADR".
> >I DO NOT COVET WHAT A MUSLIM NEIGHBOUR OR KUWAITIS HAVE.
> >THE DAY OF FULL RECKONING WILL COME FOR US ALL BROTHER.
> >IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY DO GOOD DEEDS WITH WHATEVER
> >ABILITIES YOU HAVE AND THINK CLEAN THOUGHTS OF THOSE WHO
> >DO HELP PEOPLE WITH THEIR MONEY AROUND THE WORLD.
> >
> >helped Pakistan ( check with your government). The Kuwait fund for
Arab
> >Economic Development, The Islamic Development Bank ( with Saudi
Arabia),
> >and many other government agencies helped a lot. Personal level is
also
> >recorded with all the Islamic agencies in Kuwait.
countries.
> >But I know that this is your personal opinion and not the opinion of
> >the Pakistani brothers.
> >All the best inshalla.
> >Bu Jasem.
> >P.S: As for the big villas, check with SOME of the Rich Pakistanis in
> >England with their Bentleys and their "CRAPPY" attitude. If you
need to
> >find them, dont look at Mosques but the night clubs of Mayfair might
be a
> >better area to look. Start nagging there!
> >
>
>
rash...@my-deja.com
anything about these injustices and
leave it to Allah.
I think Kuwaitis are ungrateful, who have
so much resources still complain that I
need a second mercedes or I need to go to
London and spent all this in clubs.
Only 1 % of Kuwait's budget goes to poor
and other funding programs.
Rest of it is thrown at the Kuwaiti who hardly work.
The University, where foreigners only consists
1% of the students population, is a fashion parade.
You can see all the latest fashions and latest cars,
you dont need to open latest car magazines or fashion magazines.
Money is so much wasted that my heart explodes with anger
No matter what you say I have seen it, felt and heard
it from other expats.
It is my duty as MUSLIM to stop this injustice
if it is Chechnya, Pakistan or Kuwait.
Look who is ungrateful, I am in a proces of being better
Muslim like anybody. I will not close my eyes and forget
about it
I am doing a good deed to stop this injustice
Like other brothers who just shout and do nothing.
SALAM
In article <38a05...@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk>,
"adr1ano" <adr...@netscapeonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Sparta wrote in message <87no3t$sac$1...@news01.cit.cornell.edu>...
> >Dear Brother Rashid.
> >We were backstabbed by people who are ungrateful of our help.
> >
> >IT IS ONLY ALLAH THEY SHOULD THANK FOR KUWAITI HELP
> >BUT IT IS APPALLING TO SEE THEIR UNGRATEFUL ATTITUDE.
> >A MUSLIM IS A PERSON WHO IS SAFE FROM THE TONGUE OF
> >ANOTHER MUSLIM BROTHER RASHID ! LOOK TO YOUR OWN !
> >THERE ARE MANY FORMS OF ASSISTANCE FROM KUWAIT TO
> >THOSE LESS FORTUNATE AROUND THE WORLD WHICH ARE
> >NOT PUBLICIZED AND KUWAIT DOES NOT NEED PEOPLE TO
> >KNOW ABOUT IT EITHER. ALLAH KNOWS AND THAT IS ENOUGH.
> >NO, I'M DEFINATELY NOT KUWAITI OR ARAB, JUST MUSLIM IN UK.
> >EVERYBODY WILL BE JUDGED AND ASKED WHAT THEY DID IN
> >THIS LIFE WITH ABILITIES PLUS RESOURCES GRANTED BY ALLAH.
> >WILL SOME STAND AND SAY THAT WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH
> >THEY INSULTED THEIR MUSLIM BROTHERS, DEMANDING THEY
> >GIVE THEM WHAT THEY HAD AND THEY RESENTED THEM ?
> >WILL SOME STAND AND SAY THAT WITH THEIR HEARTS THEY
> >WERE GIVEN THEY DECIDED TO OVERTLY SHOW JEALOUSY ?
> >KUWAIT's GOVERNMENT ASSIST OTHERS, SO DO KUWAITI PEOPLE.
> >WHAT I HAVE OR NOT AND WHAT YOU HAVE OR NOT IS "QADR".
> >I DO NOT COVET WHAT A MUSLIM NEIGHBOUR OR KUWAITIS HAVE.
> >THE DAY OF FULL RECKONING WILL COME FOR US ALL BROTHER.
> >IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY DO GOOD DEEDS WITH WHATEVER
> >ABILITIES YOU HAVE AND THINK CLEAN THOUGHTS OF THOSE WHO
> >DO HELP PEOPLE WITH THEIR MONEY AROUND THE WORLD.
> >
> >On a government level, you cannot underestimate how much Kuwait
> >helped Pakistan ( check with your government). The Kuwait fund for
Arab
> >Economic Development, The Islamic Development Bank ( with Saudi
Arabia),
> >and many other government agencies helped a lot. Personal level is
also
> >recorded with all the Islamic agencies in Kuwait.
> >I hate to see that Pakistan will be one of those ungrateful
countries.
> >But I know that this is your personal opinion and not the opinion of
> >the Pakistani brothers.
> >All the best inshalla.
> >Bu Jasem.
> >P.S: As for the big villas, check with SOME of the Rich Pakistanis in
> >England with their Bentleys and their "CRAPPY" attitude. If you
need to
> >find them, dont look at Mosques but the night clubs of Mayfair might
be a
> >better area to look. Start nagging there!
> >
>
>
Sparta
said that it is good to point them out, but not include the whole or even
the majority of the population. Adding to this, to never use wrongful
information. Again your 1% is from your imagination. And by the way, I
would like to tell you something on Pakistan ( Kuwait fund project- Highway
system) from all the money was given only 15 % actually went to the
building, the rest was stolen by the lovely Islamic hands of some government
officials.
As for the visa thing. Even Westerners have to adhere to all visa rules.
None can come to visit like this. And most of them are educated which is
good for the country. I am laughing at your notion that Kuwaitis never
work. This is your biggest lie ever and you call yourself a Muslim. Do not
generalize!!! By the way, may I ask you why did you get a Canadian
citizenship. Last time I checked, it is not an Islamic country. Or are you
just using it to achieve means to an end?
All the best brother bi ithnihi,
Bu Jasem.
P.S: Other Reply will follow when I have the time. Writing replies to
jealous people is not my idea of 'WORKING' .
<rash...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:87s81h$kng$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > >We were backstabbed by people who are ungrateful of our help.
> > >
> > >IT IS ONLY ALLAH THEY SHOULD THANK FOR KUWAITI HELP
> > >BUT IT IS APPALLING TO SEE THEIR UNGRATEFUL ATTITUDE.
> > >A MUSLIM IS A PERSON WHO IS SAFE FROM THE TONGUE OF
> > >ANOTHER MUSLIM BROTHER RASHID ! LOOK TO YOUR OWN !
> > >THERE ARE MANY FORMS OF ASSISTANCE FROM KUWAIT TO
> > >THOSE LESS FORTUNATE AROUND THE WORLD WHICH ARE
> > >NOT PUBLICIZED AND KUWAIT DOES NOT NEED PEOPLE TO
> > >KNOW ABOUT IT EITHER. ALLAH KNOWS AND THAT IS ENOUGH.
> > >NO, I'M DEFINATELY NOT KUWAITI OR ARAB, JUST MUSLIM IN UK.
> > >EVERYBODY WILL BE JUDGED AND ASKED WHAT THEY DID IN
> > >THIS LIFE WITH ABILITIES PLUS RESOURCES GRANTED BY ALLAH.
> > >WILL SOME STAND AND SAY THAT WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH
> > >THEY INSULTED THEIR MUSLIM BROTHERS, DEMANDING THEY
> > >GIVE THEM WHAT THEY HAD AND THEY RESENTED THEM ?
> > >WILL SOME STAND AND SAY THAT WITH THEIR HEARTS THEY
> > >WERE GIVEN THEY DECIDED TO OVERTLY SHOW JEALOUSY ?
> > >KUWAIT's GOVERNMENT ASSIST OTHERS, SO DO KUWAITI PEOPLE.
> > >WHAT I HAVE OR NOT AND WHAT YOU HAVE OR NOT IS "QADR".
> > >I DO NOT COVET WHAT A MUSLIM NEIGHBOUR OR KUWAITIS HAVE.
> > >THE DAY OF FULL RECKONING WILL COME FOR US ALL BROTHER.
> > >IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY DO GOOD DEEDS WITH WHATEVER
> > >ABILITIES YOU HAVE AND THINK CLEAN THOUGHTS OF THOSE WHO
> > >DO HELP PEOPLE WITH THEIR MONEY AROUND THE WORLD.
> > >
> > >On a government level, you cannot underestimate how much Kuwait
> > >helped Pakistan ( check with your government). The Kuwait fund for
> Arab
> > >Economic Development, The Islamic Development Bank ( with Saudi
> Arabia),
> > >and many other government agencies helped a lot. Personal level is
> also
> > >recorded with all the Islamic agencies in Kuwait.
> > >I hate to see that Pakistan will be one of those ungrateful
> countries.
> > >But I know that this is your personal opinion and not the opinion of
> > >the Pakistani brothers.
> > >All the best inshalla.
> > >Bu Jasem.
> > >P.S: As for the big villas, check with SOME of the Rich Pakistanis in
> > >England with their Bentleys and their "CRAPPY" attitude. If you
> need to
> > >find them, dont look at Mosques but the night clubs of Mayfair might
> be a
> > >better area to look. Start nagging there!
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
rash...@my-deja.com
well and it was not funded by Kuwait.Check your info.
That money went to feed the Kuwaitis and to buy mercedes
or bmw.
Kuwait is a welfare state, feeding the Kuwaitis who
are sitting arond in the ministries doing absolutely nothing.
Private companies cannot hire them because of no work ethics.
IN the ministries expat has to surrender his passport as if
he is owned by the Kuwaiti ministry.
In the health section ,expat has to pay and certain operations
and medicine are not allowed, expats have to pay for it
on the other hand Kuwaitis with their mercedes get absolutely free
health care and medicine.
I have never seen so much spoiled people in my life.
All resources going down the drain.
There are good Kuwaitis may be 10 %
Oil has to finish then what is going to happen
The Kuwaiti army who fought in the war uses air conditioned
luxury edition tanks.
To be continued about this army and
police misbehavior in the traffic inspection.
The maid system, pay scale for expats, the war, so many
divorced Kuwaiti women, . . . .
I have all the facts, I wish I had a video camera in Kuwait.
I am a Muslim I dont belong to any country.
Reply or not, I have to let these facts known to the rest of the
Muslim world. It shocks them.
Is that a lie
In article <87sdop$ne0$1...@news01.cit.cornell.edu>,
> <rash...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > > >We were backstabbed by people who are ungrateful of our help.
> > > >
> > > >IT IS ONLY ALLAH THEY SHOULD THANK FOR KUWAITI HELP
> > > >BUT IT IS APPALLING TO SEE THEIR UNGRATEFUL ATTITUDE.
> > > >A MUSLIM IS A PERSON WHO IS SAFE FROM THE TONGUE OF
> > > >ANOTHER MUSLIM BROTHER RASHID ! LOOK TO YOUR OWN !
> > > >THERE ARE MANY FORMS OF ASSISTANCE FROM KUWAIT TO
> > > >THOSE LESS FORTUNATE AROUND THE WORLD WHICH ARE
> > > >NOT PUBLICIZED AND KUWAIT DOES NOT NEED PEOPLE TO
> > > >KNOW ABOUT IT EITHER. ALLAH KNOWS AND THAT IS ENOUGH.
> > > >NO, I'M DEFINATELY NOT KUWAITI OR ARAB, JUST MUSLIM IN UK.
> > > >EVERYBODY WILL BE JUDGED AND ASKED WHAT THEY DID IN
> > > >THIS LIFE WITH ABILITIES PLUS RESOURCES GRANTED BY ALLAH.
> > > >WILL SOME STAND AND SAY THAT WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH
> > > >THEY INSULTED THEIR MUSLIM BROTHERS, DEMANDING THEY
> > > >GIVE THEM WHAT THEY HAD AND THEY RESENTED THEM ?
> > > >WILL SOME STAND AND SAY THAT WITH THEIR HEARTS THEY
> > > >WERE GIVEN THEY DECIDED TO OVERTLY SHOW JEALOUSY ?
> > > >KUWAIT's GOVERNMENT ASSIST OTHERS, SO DO KUWAITI PEOPLE.
> > > >WHAT I HAVE OR NOT AND WHAT YOU HAVE OR NOT IS "QADR".
> > > >I DO NOT COVET WHAT A MUSLIM NEIGHBOUR OR KUWAITIS HAVE.
> > > >THE DAY OF FULL RECKONING WILL COME FOR US ALL BROTHER.
> > > >IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY DO GOOD DEEDS WITH WHATEVER
> > > >ABILITIES YOU HAVE AND THINK CLEAN THOUGHTS OF THOSE WHO
> > > >DO HELP PEOPLE WITH THEIR MONEY AROUND THE WORLD.
> > > >
> > > >On a government level, you cannot underestimate how much Kuwait
> > > >helped Pakistan ( check with your government). The Kuwait fund
for
> > Arab
> > > >Economic Development, The Islamic Development Bank ( with Saudi
> > Arabia),
> > > >and many other government agencies helped a lot. Personal level
is
> > also
> > > >recorded with all the Islamic agencies in Kuwait.
> > > >I hate to see that Pakistan will be one of those ungrateful
> > countries.
> > > >But I know that this is your personal opinion and not the
opinion of
> > > >the Pakistani brothers.
> > > >All the best inshalla.
> > > >Bu Jasem.
> > > >P.S: As for the big villas, check with SOME of the Rich
Pakistanis in
> > > >England with their Bentleys and their "CRAPPY" attitude. If you
> > need to
> > > >find them, dont look at Mosques but the night clubs of Mayfair
might
> > be a
> > > >better area to look. Start nagging there!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Shakil Maruf
Hope all of you are doing well.
I am writing after a long time in this newsgroup because I just couldn't
help but comment on this thread. Just like our Pakistani bro, I am a
Bangladeshi who grew up in Kuwait. Alhamdulillah myself and my family had a
good life and I got a good education in Kuwait. About the mal treatment of
Rafeeqs(Bangladeshi, Pakistani, other South Asians), I think it's a well
known issue in Kuwait. I read Al-Watan and Qabas daily and there is no end
to the debate about the plight of poor workers whose salaries are less than
30 KD and still aren't paid for months. It is Zulm and the perpetrators will
surely suffer Allah's eternal wrath for that.
The latest problem is the visit visa issue. Yes, the Kuwaiti government has
stopped issuing visit visas to Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Egyptians and
Iranians. How do I know? Well, my brother and I wanted to visit our parents
in Kuwait in December because dad underwent an operation. My father first
tried the usual way by applying for us and when they told him it's closed,
he tried through wasta(an immigration head in of the directorates). There he
came to know about the whole story why visas are being denied. Remember,
officially visas are not denied because those who have Iqama or are army
personnel from the above countries can still enter. The reason regular
citizens of these countries are being denied is because of some problems
that the nationalities of these countries have created in Kuwait. Too many
Pakistanis and Iranians caught smuggling drugs, some Bangladeshis and a lot
of Egyptians were involved in rioting in Kheitan.
Anyway, here's the crux of the matter. Kuwaiti law is always flimsy. In the
70's and 80's there were numerous expatriate laws made one day and then
deleted the next. Right now the government doesn't have a clue as to how to
deal with these nationalities and so they just put up a blanket ban on
everybody from these countries. They should have come up with a way to check
each individual on their case. For eg, I am gainfully employed in the US and
settled here, so I would not be a case like say somebody coming directly
from Bangladesh and would settle down illegaly without iqama. I mean
intelligence should play a role here to deal with the issue.
The immigration officer did ask my dad if I had an American passport because
I would be able to visit then. I have to wait 2 more years to get that but
in the meantime my green passport is not too welcome.
My mom tells me at the end of "Hala Fibra-er" they might start issuing visas
again, but only Allah knows.
Dear Bu Jasim, please don't get mad when you read articles from frustrated
people. Kuwait for its size has helped immensly other Muslim countries and
its charitable record is not in doubt. But you do understand that
frustration leads to anger and the actions of some Kuwaitis(Tujjar al
Iqamat) has left a lot of bad blood among the expatriates. Even the
government policies towards foreigners in general have lately become
discriminatory. For eg, how does a laborer pay for the new medical
fees(expatriates only) if he can't earn more than 50 dinars. In the USA,
even if we are taxed heavily, the taxes are imposed on everybody. Some
Kuwaiti brothers wrongfully feel that Kuwait is being charitable in allowing
Masakeens from poor countries work in Kuwait, but one should look at the
type of very hard, sweat pouring work that these illiterate poor people are
doing. In the heat of 50 deg C summer, when one sees the Tanzifco sweepers
cleaning the streets for 20 dinars a month, one really wonders if there is
any charity in it.
Anyway, discussion on these matters have been voiced again and again and may
be InshaAllah some day there will be a remedy for it.
Fi amanillah
Shakil Maruf,
Minneapolis, MN
Sparta
My disagreement is with SOME of the issues raised (fallacies) . I claimed
there is some injustice. Mydisagreement is when somebody makes up lies. I
never argue with your article because it seems to come from a spirit of
progress or a brotherly criticism not insane jealousy.
Thank you for sharing your ideas,
Your brother ( And I am honored to be your brother)
Bu Jasem
"Shakil Maruf" <sma...@kimcontrols.com> wrote in message
news:38A1D21F...@kimcontrols.com...
Sparta
for other brothers which I have respect for. Anyhows if it makes you happy,
and I am sure it will do:
Yes, we DONT help Muslim brothers. We are not Muslims. Last time I checked
we are hindus and Zorastarians who want to whip your damned asses. Why help
boring people like you? We dont need your lower quality rice ( INDIA is
much better), we dont need your Tango balls, and we dont need your nuclear
weapons, and as for your HASHEESH...keep it to your self.
Yes you have the facts! You caught me offguard. Let me add one more fact. We
eat human being ( preferably Rashids) for lunch. As for the good KUwaitis
according to you they are 10%). Well you are wrong. We are 100% evil. As
for our air conditioned army, well they deserve it. It is too warm and we
dont want to smell the scents of sweat and smoke...not like the streets of
Karachi.
Having fun yet.........
Anyhows, I hope you understand in your teeny little jealous brain that I was
sarcastic because I felt it is a waste of my time to reply to a dork. Learn
from your brother Shakil Maruf. He can teach a few things about raising
issues in a courteous and TRUE manner. Have fun in Canada!
To other members of the newsgroup: My sincere apologies for being a bit
racist ( not in our nature) and going ballastic but I just wanted to show
some fools that we too can use disgusting means if somebody attacks us with
his racist and jealous remarks.
<rash...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:87smvq$1cv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
rash...@my-deja.com
I was right all the time, such arrogance
Wow , What anger from such a small, shameless,
helpless country.
That is what I was saying to all my brothers
that Kuwaitis are the most arrogant people.
They cant take the fact and resist to change.
Well It is my time to change your lazy asses.
The reason I am Canadian now So I can enter
Kuwait and teach you guys a lesson about EQUALITY,
JUSTICE and FAITH that is what ISLAM is,
SALAAM FROM the brother,
In article <87tmph$ivr$1...@news01.cit.cornell.edu>,
Jaffer Jamil
> Here we go. I am tired from jealous freaks.
So that is how you label genuine criticism.
> Yes, we DONT help Muslim brothers. We are not Muslims.
That we know..thanks for the clear admission, but it really was not
necessary...most spiritualists can tell that the Shaitan has put arrogance,
racism, injustice and meanness in your hearts.
> Yes you have the facts!
So he does...
> Anyhows, I hope you understand in your teeny little jealous brain that I was
> sarcastic because I felt it is a waste of my time to reply to a dork. Learn
> from your brother Shakil Maruf. He can teach a few things about raising
> issues in a courteous and TRUE manner. Have fun in Canada!
Any irrefutable, differing opinion would be considered a waste of time, I am
sure.
> To other members of the newsgroup: My sincere apologies for being a bit
> racist ( not in our nature) and going ballastic but I just wanted to show
> some fools that we too can use disgusting means if somebody attacks us with
> his racist and jealous remarks.
It is not in only in your nature to be racist, but also embodied in your labor,
housing and social laws. Last I looked at the laws of the now defunct,
apartheid, South Africa, the laws separating the African from the whites were
exactly the same as those pertaining to 3rd World labor.
From this discussion I did learn one thing though: how valid criticism is
dismissed as jealousy. I do not know why the brother Rashid is WASTING HIS TIME
with criticism on this forum. Maybe he has forgotten that Allah will hold
everyone accountable for their deeds, including the money he entrusted them
with.
I don't know what he is trying to accomplish. Nothing will change regarding the
discriminatory conditions that 3rd World labor lives and works in over there.
He is, like thousands of other 3rd world people are better off in Canada, USA,
Germany and UK. In fact, it is inconceivable that a Pakistani could own a major
corporation, like Blue Cross, in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia. There are thousands of
examples of Indians, Pakistanis, Bangla Deshis, Phillipinos and others rising to
top executive positions and owning their own businesses in USA (I do not know of
Canada).
Sparta
> Sparta wrote:
>
> > Here we go. I am tired from jealous freaks.
>
No that is how we label jealous Freaks! Check my reply to Shakil Maruf and
my first reply to Rashid.
> > Yes, we DONT help Muslim brothers. We are not Muslims.
>
> That we know..thanks for the clear admission, but it really was not
> necessary...most spiritualists can tell that the Shaitan has put
arrogance,
> racism, injustice and meanness in your hearts.
If you think this is a CLEAR admission...then you are STUPID! because I
clearly am being sarcastic.
> > Yes you have the facts!
>
> So he does...
>
> > Anyhows, I hope you understand in your teeny little jealous brain that I
was
> > sarcastic because I felt it is a waste of my time to reply to a dork.
Learn
> > from your brother Shakil Maruf. He can teach a few things about raising
> > issues in a courteous and TRUE manner. Have fun in Canada!
>
> Any irrefutable, differing opinion would be considered a waste of time, I
am
> sure.
If it was the truth, then it is welcomed. If it a lie then it has to be
attacked.
> > To other members of the newsgroup: My sincere apologies for being a bit
> > racist ( not in our nature) and going ballastic but I just wanted to
show
> > some fools that we too can use disgusting means if somebody attacks us
with
> > his racist and jealous remarks.
>
> It is not in only in your nature to be racist, but also embodied in your
labor,
> housing and social laws. Last I looked at the laws of the now defunct,
> apartheid, South Africa, the laws separating the African from the whites
were
> exactly the same as those pertaining to 3rd World labor.
You dont know me and thus you cant speak about my "NATURE". So with due
respect, keep your fallacies to your self. As for our laws, which are not
perfect, I have to say. But in some situations ( WITH EMPHASIS ON WORD
"SOME") are a necessity in a country that attracts many foreign workers
who are very unskilled and untrained). Can you tell me why there countries
are allowing them to leave and not attract them to stay if they are so
trained and skilled to help in their own countries.
This is not to say that we are perfect. There is some reforms that must take
place...which I believe I discussed briefly with Brother Maruf. But we
cannot blatantly lie and associate everything in a very narrow perspective.
> From this discussion I did learn one thing though: how valid criticism is
> dismissed as jealousy. I do not know why the brother Rashid is WASTING
HIS TIME
> with criticism on this forum. Maybe he has forgotten that Allah will hold
> everyone accountable for their deeds, including the money he entrusted
them
> with.
>
> I don't know what he is trying to accomplish. Nothing will change
regarding the
> discriminatory conditions that 3rd World labor lives and works in over
there.
> He is, like thousands of other 3rd world people are better off in Canada,
USA,
> Germany and UK. In fact, it is inconceivable that a Pakistani could own a
major
> corporation, like Blue Cross, in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia. There are
thousands of
> examples of Indians, Pakistanis, Bangla Deshis, Phillipinos and others
rising to
> top executive positions and owning their own businesses in USA (I do not
know of
> Canada).
The difference is clear. Most who go to these places are intelligent,
skilled, educated people. The ones that come to Kuwait are mostly uneducated
and unskilled. The ones who are skilled do well: JASHINMAL(INDIAN) ,
INVESTCORP ( PAKISTANI), NBK ( PALESTINIAN), Kuwait Computer Associates
INDIAN), etc.
Sparta
fellow bretheren in Pakistan on how to stop looting the poor. But welcome
back.
Your fellow Arrogant brother,
Bu Jasem.
P.S: GET A LIFE! And while on it...learn a bit about Islam.
<rash...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:87umhp$egc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
adr1ano
>
> DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU WILL EVER BE ALLOWED
> TO ENTER AFTER THEY HAVE READ THIS OUTBURST
>...........................I THINK NOT !!
Jaffer Jamil
I think I know what you mean....I can see arrogance coming from this other
"gentleman" too. I was better off not getting into this exchange. Let me
clarify my position for all times:
Kuwait is and has been an independent country, as you pointed out in one of
your posts about the Ottomans and the Hashemites recognizing it. Hence, no one
has the right to try to annex it.
The foreign workers, while having a right to express dissatisfaction with their
working conditions and breach of contracts, have no right to riot and cause
public disturbances in their host country - as far as I am concerned, they can
go back or go forward to the West.
In fact, a lot of people do just that: they use their employment as a
springboard to immigrate to Canada and USA.
Any country, including Kuwait, has the right to limit the kind of people it
accepts as visitors and workers - so no one should have a problem with that.
The Kuwaiti government and Kuwaitis have done charitable works. In one of your
posts you mentioned a hadith about helping people discreetly in Chechnya. I
have nothing against you or anyone who follows the hadith and must extend
apologies for misunderstanding you.
I will continue to disagree about working conditions, both in Kuwait and Saudi
Arabia, where the pay scales are based on class of nationality. I will
continue to call it discrimination, prejudice and it fosters injustice. You
can call me dork and all the other sweet names you can think of, but it is an
undeniable truth.
Most of all is the fact that there are numerous breach of employment contracts
and the employers are not held accountable for that.
And the discourtesy and arrogance......
As for people who like to comment on how Kuwaitis get free money for not
working and the way that money is spent, perhaps they are forgetting that Allah
is the One that judges. He has said that He has given us wealth and children
as a test. Both those that have as well as do not have will be held
accountable for their behaviour & conduct dictated by the possession (or lack
of) wealth and children.
Also, He measures out portions and gives to whom He will as he wishes. If we
are believers then we should be angry at the good fortune of others - who knows
what tests are they being subjected to by Allah.
By the way, a lot of educated people do go to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. And
planeloads of uneducated come to USA (I dont know about Canada).
Jaffer Jamil
> Sparta wrote:
>
> > We welcome your teaching. Though you might be more useful teaching your
> > fellow bretheren in Pakistan on how to stop looting the poor. But welcome
> > back.
> >
> > Your fellow Arrogant brother,
> > Bu Jasem.
>
>
I meant: we should NOT be angry at the good fortune of others..in the above post
Sparta
Thank you for updating your post. I agree with your points in the letter
and the way you wrote it. The former letter was completely different and
that is why I replied in a very bad manner. Thank you for replying back.
Bu Jasem.
"Jaffer Jamil" <jja...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:38A4DFFD...@earthlink.net...
Jaffer Jamil
> Dear brother Jaffer.
> Thank you for updating your post. I agree with your points in the letter
> and the way you wrote it. The former letter was completely different and
> that is why I replied in a very bad manner. Thank you for replying back.
>
> Bu Jasem.
>
> "Jaffer Jamil" <jja...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:38A4DFFD...@earthlink.net...
>
Hey and you are correct about rich Pakistanis in their Bentleys hanging out in
Mayfaur too, though that too is none of my business. What I do know is that I
have three nephews in the UK, two of whom are doing PhD (one in Logistics, the
other in Mechanical Engineering) at Imperial College, and one is studying to be
a surgeon. These young men study Islam as well as their college ed. They have
never ever expressed a desire to go to nightclubs etc. Thank God!!
Regards,
Jaffer
adr1ano
does NOT mean that humanitarians around the world should be told by Iraqis
not to assist them & other nationalities by highlighting the plight of
Kuwaiti 605 hostages & PoWs in Iraq.
>
Whatever their incomes, money cannot buy back the lives of Q8TY relatives
butchered by Saddam's bandits and no amount of cash can buy the freedom of
the "Kuwaiti 605"
being held for the past nine years as hostages and political pawns for
Saddam in Iraq.
>
No amount of dollars or dinar could but our assistance either ! We act
solely as British and multi-national humanitarians. Such a concept is
'foreign' to many NG particpants.
>
>Jaffer Jamil wrote in message <38A4EC7F...@earthlink.net>...
>
>I meant: we should NOT be angry at the good fortune of others..in the
above post
>
rash...@my-deja.com
"adr1ano" <adr...@netscapeonline.co.uk> wrote:
> And........just because Kuwaitis have a reasonable income per capita,
it
> does NOT mean that humanitarians around the world should be told by
Iraqis
> not to assist them & other nationalities by highlighting the plight of
> Kuwaiti 605 hostages & PoWs in Iraq.
> >
> Whatever their incomes, money cannot buy back the lives of Q8TY
relatives
> butchered by Saddam's bandits and no amount of cash can buy the
freedom of
> the "Kuwaiti 605"
> being held for the past nine years as hostages and political pawns for
> Saddam in Iraq.
> >
> No amount of dollars or dinar could but our assistance either ! We
act
> solely as British and multi-national humanitarians. Such a concept is
> 'foreign' to many NG particpants.
> >
> >Jaffer Jamil wrote in message <38A4EC7F...@earthlink.net>...
> >
> >I meant: we should NOT be angry at the good fortune of others..in
the
> above post
> >
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
adr1ano
>
rash...@my-deja.com wrote in message <88nn2g$lvf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <38a87...@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk>,
>"adr1ano" <adr...@netscapeonline.co.uk> wrote:
>And........just because Kuwaitis have a reasonable income per capita,
>
>
>does NOT mean that humanitarians around the world should be told by
>Iraqis not to assist them & other nationalities by highlighting the plight
of
>Kuwaiti 605 hostages & PoWs in Iraq.
>
>Whatever their incomes, money cannot buy back the lives of Q8TY
>relatives butchered by Saddam's bandits and no amount of cash can
>buy the freedom of the "Kuwaiti 605" being held for the past nine years
>as hostages and political pawns for Saddam in Iraq.
>
>No amount of dollars or dinar could but our assistance either !
>We act solely as British and multi-national humanitarians.
>Such a concept is 'foreign' to many NG particpants.
>
>Jaffer Jamil wrote in message <38A4EC7F...@earthlink.net>...
>above post
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.