The People of Japan came from Korea !
GOD BLESS AMERICA
A Japanese considers it very "offensive" if you mistake him for a
Korean because they see Koreans as "inferior". But did you know that
the people of Japan are actually came from Korea hundreds of years ago
?
Makoto Taniguchi
Hundreds? try a little over two thousand year you idiot. Btw, the
current Japanese stock has a lot of Chinese and Native ancestors as
well.
Beauteen
Chinese because
they see Chinese as "inferior". But did you know that the ancient people of
Korea are
actually came from China's eastern region hundreds of years ago?
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Supertech
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> A modern Korean considers it very "offensive" if you mistake him for a
> Chinese because
> they see Chinese as "inferior". But did you know that the ancient people
of
> Korea are
> actually came from China's eastern region hundreds of years ago?
>
It's only because that Eastern region of China was the land of Korea. The
whole Manchuria was Korean land. Do you ever read far eastern history books?
Someday, Koreans may claim that region back from you inferior Chinese
people.
However, to say it more correctly, that region was not lost from Koreans
actually, the Koreans lived there took the whole China including their own
land and claimed themselves to be Qing China. It's the irony of history but
YOU Chinese have been occupied by Koreans for hundreds of years.
The present Koreans living in Korean peninsula are the same group of people
who did not want to mix with Chinese and dilute their unique cultural
identity.
This will be the most accurate view of the far eastern historical reality.
Now with the obvious Korean origin of the Emperor family in Japan, you have
to understand how important roles Koreans played in the theater of the far
eastern society.
William Park
So what? If Japanese thinks that they comes from dolphins, then so be
it. History is written by whoever write it.
Boundaries of "hundreds of years ago" were a little different. Japan,
Korea, and China as we know now did not exist. South Korea, Japan, and
eastern China were part of Bakjae kingdom with capital in current South
Korea. Manchuria, Siberia, and North Korea were part of Korguryo
kingdom (called the Huns by the Romans) with capital in current North
Korea (Pyongyang to be exact). In Korean folklore, Bakjae, Korguryo,
and Silla constitute 3 kingdoms of Korea. European discovered "Korea"
during Koryo dynasty, hence the name.
It is unfortunate that Bakjae (sea superpower) and Korguryo (land
superpower) decided to fight each other to death. Korean people live
with this consequence to this day.
So, to go back to the issue, Japan were part of Bakjae. But, to say one
came from the other, would depend on which side of coin you are looking
at. Some in Japan argue that Japan is legitimate successor of Bakjae
kingdom, since many people went to Japan after its collapse.
But, as for me, I would prefer if Bakjae kingdom rose again with capital
in South Korea, the way it was 2000 years ago. :-)
--
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Fong-Kai Wang
That's odd, I personally know several Manchurians would be offended if
mistaken for Koreans.
Manchurians had their own language, they don't speak Korean.
Manchurian had their own identity, and it certainly is not Korean.
There were many tribes/kingdoms in Northeastern China, Korean only had
one Koguryo to show for throughout history. And Koguryo at the most
can only be considered a minor power in Manchuria. Koguryo maybe "all
that" in Korea peninsula, but not much in Manchuria. Certainly no
comparison to Liao, Jin, East Hu, etc.
So stop taking credits from those other tribes/kingdom and fantasize
they'er Korean. They're not. And I'm sure they'll be offended by you.
Tengri
a few things down here:
The Hun word for "chinese" has a double meaning. "slave".
Interstingly enough this is the OTHER meaning of Zhong. "slave
person" or literally "person that is required to be servile".
The character Zhong has an older representation in the i-ching (tower
i believe I have to check my notes). The Zhong wasnt closed and
looked somewhat like a broken cross. The middle line divides which is
a pretty gross representation of its meaning. This middle line can be
an arrow (hence "hit" or "strike").
In the forbidden kingdom is known for its "jar city". In order to
shoot an arrow INTO one of these jars one would have to be in a TOWER.
The tower is one of the synthetic i-ching hexagrams. It connects two
things. Likewise, the tower describes a situation where we have a
clear view of heaven and earth.
Or in this case the Xiongnu, Han, Yi4, Xianbei looking DOWN upon the
"hermits" that we know as korea now.
The great wall started off as simple towers which gave advanced notice
of oncoming armys.
But, taking into consideration other hexagrams which tell us of the 2
different ways of living in the world (Dynasty nobles vs. Xiaoren)
actually 4 if you consider the yi4 and the "common" people (being
analagous to noble vs. common)
We are simply forced to reintroduce contexts that someone clevery
trying to write out of the issue. That there is a 'worms eye view'
and a 'birds eye view'. Were also nipping at the heels for the basis
of DIALOGUE (something koreans will never enter into, and are
incapable of doing, as they do not understand ONTOLOGY, something they
should get a basis understanding from the writings of Confucious)
since the character for "no" (actually "is not") is the image of a
sparrow (metaphor for Yang) flying to heaven.
Is/Is not. We know more about what the koreans are not, than what
they are. As if anyone cares anyways. The korean governments attempt
to build self-esteem amongst koreans is to basically
rewrite/adopt/steal/attach korean identity to things with little
historical, linguistic, anthropological,ect evidence.
Can you say "overcompensation syndrome"?
Anyways, being part of the kingdom, or being a SUBJECT of one, or
simply being born in an area where a line is drawn on a map are
completly different distinctions. The huns and such werent the only
people that didnt get identitys from being attached to a land mass,
which no one really owns anyways if you are first grounded in
naturalistic law.
Just a few of many reasons why the koreans are totally different than
"chinese" or "mongol" type people. "Chinese" isnt one race, and it
isnt one language.
tengr...@yahoo.com
"Sparrow flys to heaven, plant grows from the earth, what connection
is there?"
Tengri
> Hundreds? try a little over two thousand year you idiot. Btw, the
> current Japanese stock has a lot of Chinese and Native ancestors as
> well.
tengr...@yahoo.com
"Asia" isnt one race
"Russian" isnt one race
"China" isnt one race
"Chinese" isnt one language
Tengri
> Hundreds? try a little over two thousand year you idiot. Btw, the
> current Japanese stock has a lot of Chinese and Native ancestors as
> well.
Ooops. So a few koreans learned to build boats. Big deal right?
William Park
> That's odd, I personally know several Manchurians would be offended if
> mistaken for Koreans.
>
> Manchurians had their own language, they don't speak Korean.
> Manchurian had their own identity, and it certainly is not Korean.
There are over 40 different dialects and ethnics groups in modern China.
That's officially recognized number. More if you count un-official
ones. Manchurian is one dialect, and the most important dialect given
the present balance of power. What is your point?
>
> There were many tribes/kingdoms in Northeastern China, Korean only had
> one Koguryo to show for throughout history.
Present day Korea did not exist in Koguryo times. You are comparing
Roman empire and Turkish Ottoman empire. Please get the timeline
straight.
> So stop taking credits from those other tribes/kingdom and fantasize
> they'er Korean. They're not. And I'm sure they'll be offended by you.
Depends who is holding the gun, no. :-)
Beauteen
It was just make up that make them look REAL big. You know why?
Coz in the Korean history, this it is the only slightly more powerful
political entity which they can be proud of. The rest are just
pathetically small states with tributary status to its neighnours.
Yes, a minor power but the kingdom is not even big enough to
consider as an empire or dynasty. Such kingdoms are plentiful
through the history of China and were dissolved into the Chinese
culture and history.
Beware the black hole which you call China. It will suck you up
and you will varnish! Hahahahaha.
Supertech
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Koguryo ruled most of the Manchuria in the ancient times. Even before
Koguryo, one of the three Huns( the root of present Koreans) ruled the same
area. Language and culture may separately evolve in time but the root of a
race as a whole will not change.
Without any known natural calamity that could move the whole race from one
place to another, or the help of a mass transportation system, the people
lived there should be the same people sharing same ancestors. You should get
the pretty good picture of what this statement means.
I don't think telling the truth always means credit for some specific group
of people.
Because of the Huns (ancient Koreans)(individual) superior intelligence and
power, they tend to get easily split within. It's hard to make them get
united. The fierce fighting among the three Huns and eventually the three
kingdoms later tells the story of their internal struggle.
But the very nature of this helped them to expand outward building two giant
nations in Asia leaving behind the most clever and shrewd yet conservative
ones but who are also very peaceful.
It can give you the more broad perspective of the Asian history than what
the story teller tells it.
Right Across Left Hook Combo
Ancestors of Japanese came thru Korea before Korea was Korea. So they
weren't Korean. American Indians came from Asia but before there was
China, Mongolia, Korea, or Japan. So, it's misleading to say Indians
are Chinese in origin. Similarly, it's wrong to say Koreans are the
ancestors of the Japanese.
shuji matsuda
extreme...@hotmail.com (Right Across Left Hook Combo) wrote:
:Ancestors of Japanese came thru Korea before Korea was Korea. So they
:weren't Korean. American Indians came from Asia but before there was
:China, Mongolia, Korea, or Japan. So, it's misleading to say Indians
:are Chinese in origin. Similarly, it's wrong to say Koreans are the
:ancestors of the Japanese.
We are all AFRICANS, after all. ;)
min10011
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Basically, then, we should acknowledge that all of us are Africans. That is
what you are saying. But no one is talking about prehistoric movements of
people. Yamato Japan had its origins in Paekche Korea.
Even though the Japanese ruling class has Korean blood, most Koreans do not
really care very much about the blood origins of the Japanese since they are
such a hodge-podge of ethnicities. In terms of civilization, however,
there is no escaping Japan's immense debt to Koreans. Only until relatively
recently in the long histories of the two countries was Japan superior in
any way to Korea, and Koreans recall Japan's cultural debt only because the
modern Japanese constantly attempt to belittle the Koreans.
The Japanese are making a terrible mistake by trying to distance themselves
from Koreans. Japan's role as the leader in Asia is slowly expiring as
China shakes off her 400 years of stagnation. Japan has made and continues
to make too many enemies in Asia. Her greatest hope of staying relevant in
the future is to understand her connection to Korea.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
LOL. You are as funny as the Japanese comedian named U...@aol.com
GOD BLESS AMERICA
And U...@aol.com has made many enemies among people in these two groups
soc.culture.china and soc.culture.korean
Just U...@aol.com alone has cause many to hate Japan.
Right Across Left Hook Combo
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> > > http://users.tmok.com/~tumble/jpp/japor.html
> > >
> > > A Japanese considers it very "offensive" if you mistake him for a
> > > Korean because they see Koreans as "inferior". But did you know that
> > > the people of Japan are actually came from Korea hundreds of years ago
> > > ?
> >
> > Ancestors of Japanese came thru Korea before Korea was Korea. So they
> > weren't Korean. American Indians came from Asia but before there was
> > China, Mongolia, Korea, or Japan. So, it's misleading to say Indians
> > are Chinese in origin. Similarly, it's wrong to say Koreans are the
> > ancestors of the Japanese.
>
> Basically, then, we should acknowledge that all of us are Africans. That is
> what you are saying. But no one is talking about prehistoric movements of
> people. Yamato Japan had its origins in Paekche Korea.
No, we are not Africans because when people left Africa there was no
cultural concept of Africa.
There were people in Japan before the rise of Yamato culture. Presence
of inhabitants in Japan go back 10,000s of years.
That Korean elites later went to Japan and contributed to growth of
Japanese culture but there was no massive migration of Koreans into
Japan. So to say that Japanese are racially mostly Koreans who
emigrated to the Island is nonsense. Rather, small numbers of
Koreans(and Chinese) impacted Japanese culture throughout Japan's
existence. If indeed, most or even the majority of Japanese are truly
Korean in origin, why would they be so ashamed of this root?
Similarly, Korean culture was deeply influenced by visiting Chinese
artists and scholars but most Koreans are NOT supplanted Chinese.
There were people living in Korea and Japan way before the rise of
Chinese(or Korean or Japanese)civilization. So to say Japanese are
merely Koreans is false.
>
> Even though the Japanese ruling class has Korean blood, most Koreans do not
> really care very much about the blood origins of the Japanese since they are
> such a hodge-podge of ethnicities. In terms of civilization, however,
> there is no escaping Japan's immense debt to Koreans. Only until relatively
> recently in the long histories of the two countries was Japan superior in
> any way to Korea, and Koreans recall Japan's cultural debt only because the
> modern Japanese constantly attempt to belittle the Koreans.
The reason why Koreans insist on Japanese debt to Korea is because
Koreans are jealous of Japanese accomplishments and want some credit
for Japanese achievements. If Japan was backward and poor, most
Koreans wouldn't care about whether Japanese borrowed from Korea or
not. Similarly, black Africans are eager to believe that Egyptians
were black because Egyptian achievements dwarfs whatever black
Africans ever accomplished in subsaharan Africa.
The fact is there is no Korean culture that the Japanese borrowed.
Rather, it was Chinese culture that came across Korea which acted as a
bridge. Korean architecture, painting, textiles, pottery, musical
instruments, language, philosophy, religion, etc. were all borrowed
from China. Korea saw China as big brother and Korea as little
brother. These cultural elements went thru Korea to Japan but didn't
originate in Korea so Koreans have no right to say they gave Japanese
anything.
The difference is Japanese created something brilliant, original, and
masterful from Chinese sources whereas Korean culture was a dull,
pale, rustic imitation of the Chinese. Japanese painting, religion(in
the form of zen), architecture, gardening, theatre(Noh and Kabuki),
literature(Tale of Genji), martial philosophy and hardware, dress all
show signs of being inspired by Chinese culture but they were altered
and developed in a brilliantly new way and are recognized the world
over for their striking beauty or masterfulness. But, what can you say
about Korean culture? Men wearing baggy clown pants and funny vests.
Women wearing dresses that flow down from the chest!!?? Mostly
confucian platitudes as literature.
Heck, had it not been for Japanese invasion during 16th and 20th
century, there would be nothing even heroic or interesting about
Korean culture. Admiral Yi's great hour and accomplishment--the turtle
ship--wouldn't even have been invented. And that kim chi and cock
doogie. Man oh man. Koreans don't even know what to steal from the
Chinese. Learning Chinese cooking would have been nice. But at the
very least Japanese had sense enough not to borrow the art(or fart) of
cock doogie.
>
> The Japanese are making a terrible mistake by trying to distance themselves
> from Koreans. Japan's role as the leader in Asia is slowly expiring as
> China shakes off her 400 years of stagnation. Japan has made and continues
> to make too many enemies in Asia. Her greatest hope of staying relevant in
> the future is to understand her connection to Korea.
What does this have to do with anything? Chinese are the ones who are
acting like bullies. And, Koreans are playing little brother again,
groveling to big Chinese. At least Japanese have some pride unlike
little brother Koreans.
And, with the rise of China, what makes you think Koreans are safe?
Chinese know what Koreans are like. Why did most Chinese leave Korea?
Because Koreans, while sucking up to China as nation, treated Chinese
as people like shit. Chinese businessmen were treated like Jews in
Poland. Their wealth was confisticated, korean kids were encouraged to
call Chinese-Koreans chinks. Ask most Chinese in America who lived in
Korea and they'll tell you that Koreans are among the most arrogant,
pigheaded, xenophobic, and chauvanistic assholes in the world.
This isn't to say Japanese or Chinese are better. I'd say they are all
equally pigheaded, prejudiced, narrow-minded assholes.
min10011
thinking.
I'll just stop wasting my time right here.
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Koreans should keep their mouth shut
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You're the fucking troll as everyone knows
Right Across Left Hook Combo
Funny name for comedians. One named God Bless America and another
named U...@aol.com? Send us your tired and unwashed but please don't
send us your comedians.
Jeff
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"God Bless America" is a Korean comedian.
Every one of his NNTP Host IPs show Korea.
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Cheers
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GOD BLESS AMERICA
Yes Koreans did keep their mouth shut and that is why you don't see
SuperTech, Min1000 and Grunt100 posting messages.
tkida
> really care very much about the blood origins of the Japanese since they are
> such a hodge-podge of ethnicities. In terms of civilization, however,
> there is no escaping Japan's immense debt to Koreans. Only until relatively
> recently in the long histories of the two countries was Japan superior in
> any way to Korea, and Koreans recall Japan's cultural debt only because the
> modern Japanese constantly attempt to belittle the Koreans.
Many Japanese would prefer to see that cultural debt as coming from
China rather than Korea. Mainly because the culture passed down to
Japan by Korea was a very close replica to China (and it is definitely
hard to show that everything Japan has comes via Korea and convince
the Japanese whether that is even relevant if the source was from
China anyway). Also, in terms of buddhism at least, the Japanese
definitely had exchange directly with China. Contact with China was
quite frequent... Chinese painters of the Song dynasty were studied
by the Japanese directly, not via the Korean filter.
> The Japanese are making a terrible mistake by trying to distance themselves
> from Koreans. Japan's role as the leader in Asia is slowly expiring as
> China shakes off her 400 years of stagnation. Japan has made and continues
> to make too many enemies in Asia. Her greatest hope of staying relevant in
> the future is to understand her connection to Korea.
I agree. But part of it is the Korean anti-Japanese sentiment that
turns the Japanese off too. I think that even when Japan and Korea
bond (which will be when hell freezes over), it is unlikely that there
will be a Japan-Korea axis against the Chinese axis in East Asia. The
main players will still be China and Japan, with Korea playing
middleman trying to stay relevant, being neither China nor Japan.
Japan can manage herself quite well, and will not find creating a new
polar axis against China (by allying with Korea) to its advantage.
In 30 years, assuming normal growth and currency adjustment, the
Chinese economy will be well larger than Japan and Korea combined.
Such axis competition (Japan-Korea vs. China) will not be in the
interest of either Japan and Korea, and thus both countries will
maintain their independent relations with China. And Korea will
remain as the third wheel. Korean economy will be hardpressed to find
its niche when the Chinese catch up in every single industry the
Koreans may have a lead in now. One possibility is for Korea to
become Japan II, but this undercuts the Japanese economy, and will not
cause happy sentiments. Cooperation? This will be seen as a threat to
China (not to mention to Japanese identity), China will then provide
incentives to Korea and Japan independently. The triangle will
probably exist indefinitely, although the major players will be China
and Japan (unless if Japanese population dwindles to 80 million by
2050). If indeed the Japanese population dwindles to 80 million, and
SK absorbs NK, then you will have still a mere 145 million people (20
million of whom are in a miserable state still), and an economy that
will struggle finding its identity apart from China (which by then
would do everything). There is no reason for Japan to embark on such
collective suicide with Korea. Its only chance for survival is to
retain its island nation identity. We got to realize that just in
China's Yangtze Region is 100 million people; fertile land; highly
intelligent, capitalist population. That region (headed by Shanghai)
alone is enough to rival Japan and Korea 30-40 years from now. And we
shouldn't forget about the Pearl River Delta (Shenzhen, Guangzhou),
Beijing-Tianjin Corridor, Dalian and the Northeast, etc; and the
interior provinces that will fuel cheap labor for many many years.
Basically, Japan and Korea have been lucky that China has been such a
nut case. They better pray she gets sick again.
tkida
> really care very much about the blood origins of the Japanese since they are
> such a hodge-podge of ethnicities. In terms of civilization, however,
> there is no escaping Japan's immense debt to Koreans. Only until relatively
> recently in the long histories of the two countries was Japan superior in
> any way to Korea, and Koreans recall Japan's cultural debt only because the
> modern Japanese constantly attempt to belittle the Koreans.
Most Japanese know something about China's Sangokushi (Three Kingdoms
Chronicles), and know some Tang dynasty poetry. This is the cultural
tradition Japanese see themselves as somewhat identifying and
influenced by. Like Western Civilization and Rome/Greece; this is the
starting point of Japanese culture. How it came to Japan is
irrelevent really in the common mindset (not to mention it being
heavily open to debate still). With the strengthening of China, you
will see even more connections drawn between Japan and China by the
common people, as opposed to Japan and Korea. So immense debt or not,
the Japanese will be thinking more (if at all) about China than Korea
every time they write a kanji or speak an on-yomi (Chinese reading)
word.
Do you see any solution?
min10011
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> "min10011" <min1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<uq7pb.58143$ri.
> > Even though the Japanese ruling class has Korean blood, most Koreans do
not
> > really care very much about the blood origins of the Japanese since they
are
> > such a hodge-podge of ethnicities. In terms of civilization, however,
> > there is no escaping Japan's immense debt to Koreans. Only until
relatively
> > recently in the long histories of the two countries was Japan superior
in
> > any way to Korea, and Koreans recall Japan's cultural debt only because
the
> > modern Japanese constantly attempt to belittle the Koreans.
>
> Many Japanese would prefer to see that cultural debt as coming from
> China rather than Korea. Mainly because the culture passed down to
> Japan by Korea was a very close replica to China (and it is definitely
> hard to show that everything Japan has comes via Korea and convince
> the Japanese whether that is even relevant if the source was from
> China anyway). Also, in terms of buddhism at least, the Japanese
> definitely had exchange directly with China. Contact with China was
> quite frequent... Chinese painters of the Song dynasty were studied
> by the Japanese directly, not via the Korean filter.
Korea was no more a mere conduit for Buddhism or other influences from China
to Japan than China was one from India and elsewhere to Korea. Historians
outside of Korea are beginning to understand the importance of her unique
interpretation of culture from China and her indigenous advancements and how
significantly they impacted Japanese civilization. The belief that Korea
was only a convenient transit route in the transmission of culture was a
gross oversimplification due in great part to Japanese historians who had,
in the past, knowingly downplayed the importance of Korea in Japan's
development.
> > The Japanese are making a terrible mistake by trying to distance
themselves
> > from Koreans. Japan's role as the leader in Asia is slowly expiring as
> > China shakes off her 400 years of stagnation. Japan has made and
continues
> > to make too many enemies in Asia. Her greatest hope of staying relevant
in
> > the future is to understand her connection to Korea.
>
> I agree. But part of it is the Korean anti-Japanese sentiment that
> turns the Japanese off too. I think that even when Japan and Korea
> bond (which will be when hell freezes over), it is unlikely that there
> will be a Japan-Korea axis against the Chinese axis in East Asia. The
> main players will still be China and Japan, with Korea playing
> middleman trying to stay relevant, being neither China nor Japan.
> Japan can manage herself quite well, and will not find creating a new
> polar axis against China (by allying with Korea) to its advantage.
Anti-Japanese sentiment is another matter. It exists in many parts of the
world including here in the US and especially virulently in your China.
Korea and Japan have more in common than they have not. One significant
thing they have in common is an acute understanding of the dangers of
Chinese dominance in the region.
No one can deny that China has the resources to dominate Asia and even
compete directly with the US for global influence. That is exactly what
disturbs the Koreans and the Japanese. If you understand the East Asian
psychology then you understand why Korea and Japan fear Chinese domination.
> Basically, Japan and Korea have been lucky that China has been such a
> nut case. They better pray she gets sick again.
If history is any guide then that eventuality is a foregone conclusion.
min10011
To what? The Chinese spoiling everything for the rest of Asia once they
have the means to?
An almost impossible solution, but the Chinese accept the modern
Judeo-Christian ethic.
Right Across Left Hook Combo
Wrong, it was the Japanese who transformed Chinese culture into
something unique and valuable. Koreans merely turned it into something
even simpler and prosaic.
Compare Korean architecture and painting with the Chinese; they are
mere third rate imitations. Compare Japanese architecture with that of
Chinese, and the Japanese rival the Chinese in every way.
By the way, Buddhism was Indian. Chinese added a touch of Tao and
other forms of Chinese mysticism to it. And the Japanese developed it
into something called zen which is admired the world over. But please
do tell me what great or brilliant thing Koreans did with Buddhism?
Korean buddhists are stupid kim chee idiots who routinely have
fistfights in the streets.
Right Across Left Hook Combo
You want John Woo as the archetypal Chinese? The last time a Chinaman
got really into Christianity he unleashed the Taiping Rebellion which
ended in deaths of 20-40 million.
Right Across Left Hook Combo
>
> I agree. But part of it is the Korean anti-Japanese sentiment that
> turns the Japanese off too. I think that even when Japan and Korea
> bond (which will be when hell freezes over), it is unlikely that there
> will be a Japan-Korea axis against the Chinese axis in East Asia. The
> main players will still be China and Japan, with Korea playing
> middleman trying to stay relevant, being neither China nor Japan.
> Japan can manage herself quite well, and will not find creating a new
> polar axis against China (by allying with Korea) to its advantage.
I disagree. I don't think Japan will be a major player in the future.
Japanese only have the economy but it's sinking. Koreans at least have
a dynamic political system, a culture of tumult and debate, and the
courage to change and meet new challenges. Japanese have become
totally apathetic; it's a nation of spoiled idiots imitating dolls and
cartoon characters. Japan is anemic and I don't any impetus for
change. Also, culturally Japan has been irrelevant except in
exporting disposable garbage like comics, soap opera, j-pop, and other
moronic nonsense to rest of asia.
I think Japan's pride as a major player can be a disadvantage.
Koreans, more ratlike and hustling, are more likely to adapt to
changing patterns in econmic and politican reality than the apathetic,
haughty, and bloodless Japanese.
But, both are fated to play secondary roles in Asia if China continues
to rise.
But, this is primarily a political reality. If Asians embrace economic
liberalism, Koreans and Japanese can benefit as well as suffer from
the expanding Chinese economy. The notion that China will only sell
and not buy is crazy though with its poor population it's geared much
more to export than import market. And, when China becomes a truly
rich country, Koreans and Japanese can only benefit. Once that
happens, Chinamen will have alot of disposable income and their labor
wages won't undercut Korean or Japanese wages too much.
Just as Europe can prosper along with US, rest of Asia can prosper
with China. And it will be to China's interest to make other nations
happy and part of the big happy slanty eyed world.
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
> Wrong, it was the Japanese who transformed Chinese culture into
> something unique and valuable. Koreans merely turned it into something
> even simpler and prosaic.
Peheheh....
> Compare Korean architecture and painting with the Chinese; they are
> mere third rate imitations. Compare Japanese architecture with that of
> Chinese, and the Japanese rival the Chinese in every way.
I suppose the use of garish orange and aluminum can be considered
"evolutionary"...
> By the way, Buddhism was Indian. Chinese added a touch of Tao and
> other forms of Chinese mysticism to it. And the Japanese developed it
> into something called zen which is admired the world over. But please
> do tell me what great or brilliant thing Koreans did with Buddhism?
> Korean buddhists are stupid kim chee idiots who routinely have
> fistfights in the streets.
There are a number of things that are clear in this post.
1. You don't know anything about the history and development of Korean
buddhism.
2. You don't know anything about the history and development of Japanese
buddhism.
3. You don't know anything about the history and development of Chinese
buddhism.
My suggestion to you is that you look up Wonhyo and his works and his
influence on Buddhist thought. He did not study from anyone in China. He
did not study from anyone in India. Yet some of his commentaries were
translated into Chinese and Sanskrit. Does that suggest influence to you?
Then, you can start looking into the various Koguryo, Silla, and Paekche
monks who taught and influenced Buddhism in China and Japan.
But of course that requires that you get off your ass, and more
importantly, rid yourself of your baggage.
Austin
2.
Lin Chi
this kind of topic "the Japanese came from Koreans...blah blah...".
In fact the "core ancestors" of both Japanese and Koreans originated
from East China (the Wu-Yue Areas, i.e. Jiang-su, Zhe-jiang, and
Fu-jian Provinces) 2000+ years ago. The people of the "Yayoi type"
not only landed on Kyushu of Japan, but also on south tip of Korea
Peninsula from the States of Wu and Yue beginning around 400~300 BC.
Later on, the "Yayoi" people of Korea got mixed with "New Tungusic
people" from north Korea and China while the Yayoi people of Kyushu/Honshu
mixed with those "Old Tungusic people" and the Ainu who had been
living in Honshu and Hokkaido for more 10,000 years (the Jomon people).
This is the whole story, period.
Musashi
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obsessed about correcting the past wrongs done to Koreans and Korean
history.
It is almost feeling of getting repeatedly raped by a group of your
well known friends while your limbs being strapped to an operation
table.
Such is what had happened to Korea and Korean people for last 6
hundread years. One of the first things that Japanese did when they
colonized Korea was burning nearly all ancient history books that
Korea had and any monuments erected by Koreans which would ablaze
Korean nationalism (funny thing is that the concept of nationalism is
late 19th century and 20th century phenomena, so in a sense this whole
hoopla about Chinese, Japanese, and Korean nationalism is really a
suspect at best).
There are also recent attempts by the Chinese government to make
Koku-ryu and Balhae to be a part of the ancient history of China by
distorting the known facts. To Koreans, Koku-ryu matters a lot since
the name of Korea is dervied from that ancient nation. Wang Guhn who
founded Korea before Chosen was himself a refuge from Koku-ryu after
its collapse and their ambition was to regain the former glory of
Koku-ryu. That is why they named the newly founded nation, Korea.
Most of Korean history books written during modern days about the
ancient Korea and surviving Sam-gook sagi and Sam-gook yusa books have
abridged records of ancient Korea where it painted the story of
Dan-goon as a legend. However, it is now known that Dan-goon was a
real figure due to the existence of a tomb in North Korea. He was in
fact the 17th ruler of the Old Chosen. So it appears that the origin
of Korea may predate 2333 B.C.
I sense the nationalistic fervor of Koreans which is driving the
reunification effort between two Koreas. This is quite evident in the
kinds of books being published in Korea. I think the economic
reunification will occur within a couple of years and the political
reunification happening a decade later. After that, it appears that
Korea will form an economic block with Japan to guard against China's
economic influence. History does not exactly repeat itself, but there
is high likelihood that China may face a breakup with the aid of
Western powers and Japan. The worst fears that Deng Xiao Peng had
about his country was unraveling of the order in the country and the
eventual breakup of China. The crackdown of Tiannamen Square Protest,
the recent crackdown on the Internet cafes, policies to censor
decadency, the 50 to 100 million migrant unemployed workers, ethnic
strifes with Wigles, Tibetans, Machurians, and Mongolians are
providing fuels to the anxieties felt by the top brass of the
communist party. As in the case of Russia, I don't think the
political transition will be smooth in China. There was no history of
"demo-cracy" in China and she will go through some painful turmoils to
be a representative democracy because the representative democracy
requires educated populace which China will not have for sometime.
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