...the root cause of the conflict: The robbery of Palestine and Palestinians in the name of a ‘Jewish home coming’.
coaste...@yahoo.com
16/11/2009 Gilad Atzmon
Let’s once and for all stop getting excited about America mounting
pressure on Israel to freeze West Bank settlements. The entire
fascination with the topic is a product of Zionist spin. It is there
to divert attention from the root cause of the conflict: The robbery
of Palestine and Palestinians in the name of a ‘Jewish home coming’.
The call to stop Israeli construction in the West Bank is there to
leave us with the false impression that the robbery of Palestine
started in 1967. The facts are known to many of us, but not to all.
The vast majority of Palestinians were expelled from their towns,
villages, fields and orchards in 1948.
What seems as an American peace initiative putting pressure on Israel
to halt its expansion into the West Bank is in fact an agenda that is
promoted by Zionists within the US Administration who realise like the
late Sharon, that the only chance for the Jewish state to survive the
next decade, is to shrink into a little Jewish shtetle (ghetto). The
Two state solution is indeed the last effort to keep Zionism alive.
Netanyahu is far from being stupid. He understands it all. He knows
that his Zionist Revisionist father’s dream of ‘greater Eretz Yisrael’
is unattainable.
Haaretz reported today that the Israeli PM admitted in Washington that
he was committed to ‘two states living side by side’. However, he
stressed that the “the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the
homes from which they were expelled, would not be on the table.”
Seemingly, an Israeli hawkish PM is voluntarily confronting the
Israeli original sin namely the expulsion of the vast majority of the
Palestinians people. However, the fact that he insists that it won’t
be ‘on the table’ can only mean that it is on the table already.
“They”, continues Netanyahu, “must abandon the fantasy of flooding
Israel with refugees, give up irredentist * claims to the Negev and
Galilee, and declare unequivocally that the conflict is finally over".
Clearly, Netanyahu expresses here a wish that is shared by most if not
all Israelis. They all dream to open their eyes in the morning just to
find out that all Goyim, Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims just left the
region.
I am here to advise Netanyahu and every Israeli who is willing to
listen that this is not going to happen. As much as being flooded by
‘refugee’ Palestinians is a deep Israeli nightmare, it is far from
being a Palestinian fantasy. It is actually a reality waiting to
happen. Israel has lost its opportunity to reconcile with its
neighbours. It failed to settle its conflict with the indigenous
people of the land. The fate of Israel will be determined by ‘facts on
the ground’ namely demography. In terms of reconciliation, Israel has
past the no return Zone. Its fate is doomed. One Palestine from the
river to the sea is not any more a matter of ‘if’ but rather a
question of ‘when’.
Unlike most Israelis who dismiss the Palestinian cause, Netanyahu
admitted today that Palestinians were indeed expelled. For the first
time Palestinians’ “irredentist claims” are being addressed by an
Israeli PM. And yet, Netanyahu should stop deluding himself and his
people. It is not just the Negev and Galilee. It is actually every
piece of land between the river and the sea: Tel Aviv, Jerusalem,
Haifa, Be’er Sheva and every village, orchard, field, river and tree
in between. The only question that is left open is how long will it
take for the Shekel to drop? How long will it take before Israelis
grasp that they dwell on stolen land? How long will it take before the
Israelis realise that the battle is lost? How long will it take for
the Israelis to internalise the obvious fact that they have once again
managed to get on the wrong side of their Neighbours?
cornholio
wrote:
Muslime fucks are incapable of recognizing the truth, much less
telling it.
Fish Supper
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 17, 5:01 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> From the River to the Sea
>
> 16/11/2009 Gilad Atzmon
>
> pressure on Israel to freeze West Bank settlements. The entire
> fascination with the topic is a product of Zionist spin. It is there
> to divert attention from the root cause of the conflict: The robbery
> The call to stop Israeli construction in the West Bank is there to
> leave us with the false impression that the robbery of Palestine
> started in 1967. The facts are known to many of us, but not to all.
> The vast majority of Palestinians were expelled from their towns,
> villages, fields and orchards in 1948.
>
> What seems as an American peace initiative putting pressure on Israel
> to halt its expansion into the West Bank is in fact an agenda that is
> promoted by Zionists within the US Administration who realise like the
> late Sharon, that the only chance for the Jewish state to survive the
> next decade, is to shrink into a little Jewish shtetle (ghetto). The
> Two state solution is indeed the last effort to keep Zionism alive.
>
> Netanyahu is far from being stupid. He understands it all. He knows
> is unattainable.
>
> Haaretz reported today that the Israeli PM admitted in Washington that
> stressed that the �the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the
> homes from which they were expelled, would not be on the table.�
> Seemingly, an Israeli hawkish PM is voluntarily confronting the
> Israeli original sin namely the expulsion of the vast majority of the
> be �on the table� can only mean that it is on the table already.
> �They�, continues Netanyahu, �must abandon the fantasy of flooding
> Israel with refugees, give up irredentist * claims to the Negev and
> Galilee, and declare unequivocally that the conflict is finally over".
>
> Clearly, Netanyahu expresses here a wish that is shared by most if not
> all Israelis. They all dream to open their eyes in the morning just to
> find out that all Goyim, Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims just left the
> region.
>
> I am here to advise Netanyahu and every Israeli who is willing to
> listen that this is not going to happen. As much as being flooded by
> being a Palestinian fantasy. It is actually a reality waiting to
> happen. Israel has lost its opportunity to reconcile with its
> neighbours. It failed to settle its conflict with the indigenous
> the ground� namely demography. In terms of reconciliation, Israel has
> past the no return Zone. Its fate is doomed. One Palestine from the
> question of �when�.
>
> Unlike most Israelis who dismiss the Palestinian cause, Netanyahu
> admitted today that Palestinians were indeed expelled. For the first
> Israeli PM. And yet, Netanyahu should stop deluding himself and his
> people. It is not just the Negev and Galilee. It is actually every
> piece of land between the river and the sea: Tel Aviv, Jerusalem,
> in between. The only question that is left open is how long will it
> take for the Shekel to drop? How long will it take before Israelis
> grasp that they dwell on stolen land? How long will it take before the
> Israelis realise that the battle is lost? How long will it take for
> the Israelis to internalise the obvious fact that they have once again
> managed to get on the wrong side of their Neighbours?
Muslime fucks are incapable of recognizing the truth, much less
telling it.
***
excellent contribution, cornholio.
Well thought out and argued like a Socratic dialectician presenting his case
at the foot of the Parthenon.
I doubt that we'll ever see iconoclast round these parts again, after such a
virtuoso display of mental agility and a dissembling of his case in such a
clinical fashion. He won't dare show his face, I'll wager.
Do you have a speaking tour planned, by any chance?
I'd pay to see that.
No, really. I would pay big bucks to see that.
drahcir
lowly liar:
From the thread "Netanyahu admitted today that Palestinians were
indeed expelled."
On Nov 13, 4:42 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> From the River to the Sea. By Gilad Atzmon
> 2009 November 11
> by kanan48
> .Via: Gilad Atzmon.
Everyone here knows that HHW, whose latest pretentious alias is
"iconoclast", is a willful ignoramus with regard to Israel, choosing
to rely on a handful of completely unobjective sources, including
Finklestein and Atzmon. Here is PROOF that Atzmon is a liar, and by
implication, HHW is therefore a naive, silly old fool.
<snip for focus>
> Haaretz reported today that the Israeli PM admitted in Washington that
> he was committed to ‘two states living side by side’. However, he
> stressed that the “the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the
> homes from which they were expelled, would not be on the table.”
It is crystal clear that Atzmon wants the reader to think that the
above quote is the words of Netanyahu, and HHW bought it hook, line,
and sinker. Problem is that it isn't. Here is a quote from the
original Haaretz article:
"In his address, Netanyahu also appeared to resist U.S. pressure to
promote the two-state solution. He said he was committed to two states
living side by side, but stressed that the central issues - the right
of Palestinian refugees to return to the homes from which they were
expelled and certain territorial claims - would not be on the table."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1127420.html
As anyone can see, nowhere does the article state or imply that
Netanyahu made the statement quoted in the Atzmon article. From the
Haaretz article, we have no idea about the words Netanyahu used and,
since there is no quote provided, whether he even stated the ideas
that Haaretz says he stated. The concept of expulsion is clearly that
of Ms. Mozgovaya, the author of the article, not of Netanyahu. Even
the idea of "central issues" is not Netanyahu's, but rather
Mozgovaya's.
So, H, please, please give the group your poignant observations about
precisely how you became a naive, silly old fool!
<snip remainder of discredited nonsense>
Fish Supper
"drahcir" <justrich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e69fab66-c794-49da...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
what do you think of this, Dicky?:
"A group of Israeli soldiers who fought in the recent war in Gaza have
testified that the military allowed them to use reckless force.
They describe the Israeli army's use of human shields and deliberate
targeting of civilian structures. "
drahcir
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
A group testified. That's nice. A human shield is when a fighting
force uses civilians to dissuade its opponent from attacking it. Arabs
did this constantly during the war. Please provide specific instances
where the IDF did this.
Fish Supper
On Nov 18, 7:52 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e69fab66-c794-49da...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> what do you think of this, Dicky?:
>
> "A group of Israeli soldiers who fought in the recent war in Gaza have
> testified that the military allowed them to use reckless force.
> They describe the Israeli army's use of human shields and deliberate
> targeting of civilian structures. "
A group testified. That's nice.
***
A group of IDF soldiers testified that the accusations of war crimes and
Israeli brutality were, if fact, accurate. That IS nice, because it proves
the Israeli government and military are liars:
***
A human shield is when a fighting
force uses civilians to dissuade its opponent from attacking it.
***
you mean like this?
http://www.shovrimshtika.org/oferet/testimonies_e.asp?cat=2
"Sometimes the force would enter while placing rifle barrels on a civilian's
shoulder, advancing into a house and using him as a human shield. Commanders
said these were the instructions and we had to do it. Anyway, at the
concluding debriefing, he (the unit commander) said he didn't know about
these things, and the guys, commanders who had been there the first week,
said they saw civilians being assigned to break walls and enter with rifle
barrels on their shoulders. He said he didn't know this and would look into
it. "
***
Arabs
did this constantly during the war.
***
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4233
For example, a detailed study published by Human Rights Watch (HRW) reported
that they had found "no cases in which Hezbollah deliberately used civilians
as shields to protect them from retaliatory IDF attack."
***
Please provide specific instances
where the IDF did this.
***
Glad to.
1. http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15058 - the
photgraph that proves it once and for all:
During the Second Intifada (especially for Israel's large-scale West Bank
Operation Defensive Shield incursion), Amnesty International (AI) said the
following in October 2005:
AI "investigated tens of cases where the Israeli army used Palestinians,
children as well as adults, as 'human shields' during military operations in
towns and refugee camps throughout the Occupied Territories. Palestinians
were forced to walk in front of Israeli soldiers who, at times, fired their
weapons while shielding themselves behind the civilians. As well (they) were
made to enter houses ahead of Israeli soldiers to check for explosives or
gunmen hiding inside, to inspect suspicious objects, to stay in their houses
when Israeli soldiers took them over to use as sniper positions, or to enter
the houses of wanted, possibly armed, Palestinians to tell them to surrender
to Israeli forces."
2. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/23/gaza-human-shields-claim
Describing the "neighbour procedure" during Operation Defensive Shield in
Nablus in May 2002, a first sergeant in the Golani Brigade said it meant
"that this is a person that goes through the holes we've blown up, and ...
picks up for you stuff from the floor, to make sure nothing is
booby-trapped. He goes inside rooms before you do, so that if there is a
terrorist inside, he would be hurt [and not you]."
4.
http://www.btselem.org/english/Human_Shields/20070225_Human_Shields_in_Nablus.asp
"the soldiers ordered one of the family, 15-year old 'Amid to accompany them
in their search of three other houses. According to 'Amid's testimony, the
soldiers pushed him with the barrels of their rifles and forced him to enter
rooms of the house in front of them, open cabinets and empty out the
contents, and open windows. In one instance, according to the testimony, a
soldier shot several shots into the room. "
"Other soldiers took 'Amid's cousin, Samah 'Amirah, 24, and used him as a
human shield in a similar fashion. Part of this incident was recorded on by
AP television cameras and broadcast both on Israeli television and abroad.
'Amirah was forced to enter every room in his house, while soldiers followed
him. Afterwards a soldier would shoot a round of bullets into each room. "
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#Gaza_and_the_West_Bank
Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch assert the Israel Defense
Forces used Palestinian civilians as human shields during the 2002 Battle of
Jenin. The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem reported that "for a long
period of time following the outbreak of the second intifada, particularly
during Operation Defensive Shield, in April 2002, the IDF systematically
used Palestinian civilians as human shields,
The Guardian has compiled 3 videos and testimony from civilians of alleged
war crimes committed by Israeli soldiers, including the use of Palestinian
children as human shields, the targeting of medics and hospitals, and drone
aircraft firing on civilians deliberately. Three teenage brothers from the
al-Attar family have described how "they were taken from their home at
gunpoint, made to kneel in front of tanks to deter Hamas fighters from
firing at them and sent by Israeli soldiers into Palestinian houses to clear
them".
However, in a report on the Gaza conflict, released July 2, 2009, Amnesty
International concluded that Israel did use human shields in Gaza. The
report "found no evidence Palestinian fighters directed civilians to shield
military objectives from attacks, forced them to stay in buildings used by
militants, or prevented them from leaving commandeered buildings."
http://www.btselem.org/english/Human_Shields/Timeline_of_Events.asp
6. August 2002 - Nidal Abu Mukhsan is killed while serving as a human shield
during implementation of the "neighbor procedure." Following another
petition filed by the human rights organizations, the court issues a
temporary injunction forbidding the IDF to use the procedure. Soldiers
continue to use it.
Despite the High Court's decision and army orders preceding and following
it, security forces continue to use Palestinians as human shields. In 2007,
B'Tselem documented twelve such cases. For example, in February, soldiers
forced two Palestinian minors, aged 11 and 15, to accompany them in combing
houses and opening the doors to the houses and the rooms. In July, a
14-year-old girl from Beit Hanun, in the northern Gaza Strip, was shot in
the leg and stomach when soldiers used her as a human shield.
7.
http://www.btselem.org/english/human_shields/20060720_human_shields_in_beit_hanun.asp
B'Tselem's initial investigation indicates that, during an incursion by
Israeli forces into Beit Hanun, in the northern Gaza Strip, on 17 July 2006,
soldiers seized control of two buildings in the town and used residents as
human shield.
8. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1073243.html
Israel Defense Forces soldiers used an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a
human shield during the war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, a group of UN
human rights experts said Monday.
IDF troops ordered the boy to walk in front of soldiers being fired on in
the Gaza neighborhood of Tel al-Hawa and enter buildings before them, said
the UN secretary-general's envoy for protecting children in armed conflict.
Radhika Coomaraswamy said the incident on Jan. 15, after Israeli tanks had
rolled into the neighborhood, was a violation of Israeli and international
law.
9.
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/tag/israeli-use-of-human-shields/
The stories in the Operation Cast Lead report portray potential war crimes
committed by Israeli troops during the operation.
10.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israel-accused-of-using-farmers-as-human-shields/2009/01/27/1232818435831.html
Israel accused of using farmers as human shields
11. http://www.adalah.org/eng/humanshields.php
SPECIAL REPORT:
Human Shields
Use of Palestinian Civilians as Human Shields by the Israeli Army
12. http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4233
Israel's Use of Human Shields
Ironically, while Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and other
reputable human rights organizations-including the Israeli group
B'tselem-have demonstrated that, while there is little conclusive evidence
that the Hezbollah militia used human shields as a calculated policy, the
Israeli Defense Forces have used this illegal maneuver as a standard
practice, particularly earlier this decade following a right-wing coalition
coming to power in Israel in early 2001.
13. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/15/israel.gaza.report/index.html
Gaza resident Shafiq Daher told CNN earlier this week that he was used as a
human shield by Israeli soldiers during the recent Gaza military operation.
His description of his experience closely matched an account given in the
Breaking the Silence report.
"He was holding with all his strength like this and with his heavy machine
gun on the other shoulder," said Daher, who demonstrated how the soldier
walked behind him as they approached his neighbors' homes.
There, that should about do it. War crime after war crime after war crime,
all nicely proven with links to the sources, from the US, the UK, Australia
and Israel.
I'm presuming you don't speak a foreign language, but if you do I'm happy to
provide links in French or German.
I've limited it to 13 examples only - one for every hundred people murdered
by the IDF in Gaza last winter.
drahcir
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:761f9871-0391-4d00...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 18, 7:52 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:e69fab66-c794-49da...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > what do you think of this, Dicky?:
>
> > "A group of Israeli soldiers who fought in the recent war in Gaza have
> > testified that the military allowed them to use reckless force.
> > They describe the Israeli army's use of human shields and deliberate
> > targeting of civilian structures. "
>
> A group testified. That's nice.
>
> ***
>
> A group of IDF soldiers testified that the accusations of war crimes and
> Israeli brutality were, if fact, accurate. That IS nice, because it proves
> the Israeli government and military are liars:
> ***
>
> A human shield is when a fighting
> force uses civilians to dissuade its opponent from attacking it.
>
> ***
> you mean like this?http://www.shovrimshtika.org/oferet/testimonies_e.asp?cat=2
No, I don't mean silly bullshit, you silly bullshitter. I mean like
this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSxOMe9QFwk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DCuRzzsKnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6KpEbSQ4Bo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0tEceCe9Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZW6lVSb_Ro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhuxjX-GI5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRdEaN2VfGQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y
There's plenty more.
>
> "Sometimes the force would enter while placing rifle barrels on a civilian's
> shoulder, advancing into a house and using him as a human shield. Commanders
> said these were the instructions and we had to do it. Anyway, at the
> concluding debriefing, he (the unit commander) said he didn't know about
> these things, and the guys, commanders who had been there the first week,
> said they saw civilians being assigned to break walls and enter with rifle
> barrels on their shoulders. He said he didn't know this and would look into
> it. "
> ***
>
> Arabs
> did this constantly during the war.
> ***http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4233
> For example, a detailed study published by Human Rights Watch (HRW) reported
> that they had found "no cases in which Hezbollah deliberately used civilians
> as shields to protect them from retaliatory IDF attack."
> ***
>
> Please provide specific instances
> where the IDF did this.
>
> ***
> Glad to.
>
> 1.http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15058- the
> photgraph that proves it once and for all:
LOL! If I were trying to use someone as a shield, I'D HAVE THEM
BETWEEN MY BODY AND MY ENEMY, not kneeling beside me, not shielding me
IN ANY WAY!!!. You are such an idiot!!! No need to read further -
you've shown your colors - the colors or a moron.
>
> During the Second Intifada (especially for Israel's large-scale West Bank
> Operation Defensive Shield incursion), Amnesty International (AI) said the
> following in October 2005:
>
> AI "investigated tens of cases where the Israeli army used Palestinians,
> children as well as adults, as 'human shields' during military operations in
> towns and refugee camps throughout the Occupied Territories. Palestinians
> were forced to walk in front of Israeli soldiers who, at times, fired their
> weapons while shielding themselves behind the civilians. As well (they) were
> made to enter houses ahead of Israeli soldiers to check for explosives or
> gunmen hiding inside, to inspect suspicious objects, to stay in their houses
> when Israeli soldiers took them over to use as sniper positions, or to enter
> the houses of wanted, possibly armed, Palestinians to tell them to surrender
> to Israeli forces."
>
> 2.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/23/gaza-human-shields-claim
>
> 3.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-use-of-hu...
>
> Describing the "neighbour procedure" during Operation Defensive Shield in
> Nablus in May 2002, a first sergeant in the Golani Brigade said it meant
> "that this is a person that goes through the holes we've blown up, and ...
> picks up for you stuff from the floor, to make sure nothing is
> booby-trapped. He goes inside rooms before you do, so that if there is a
> terrorist inside, he would be hurt [and not you]."
>
> 4.http://www.btselem.org/english/Human_Shields/20070225_Human_Shields_i...
>
> "the soldiers ordered one of the family, 15-year old 'Amid to accompany them
> in their search of three other houses. According to 'Amid's testimony, the
> soldiers pushed him with the barrels of their rifles and forced him to enter
> rooms of the house in front of them, open cabinets and empty out the
> contents, and open windows. In one instance, according to the testimony, a
> soldier shot several shots into the room. "
>
> "Other soldiers took 'Amid's cousin, Samah 'Amirah, 24, and used him as a
> human shield in a similar fashion. Part of this incident was recorded on by
> AP television cameras and broadcast both on Israeli television and abroad.
> 'Amirah was forced to enter every room in his house, while soldiers followed
> him. Afterwards a soldier would shoot a round of bullets into each room. "
>
> 5.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#Gaza_and_the_West_Bank
> 7.http://www.btselem.org/english/human_shields/20060720_human_shields_i...
> B'Tselem's initial investigation indicates that, during an incursion by
> Israeli forces into Beit Hanun, in the northern Gaza Strip, on 17 July 2006,
> soldiers seized control of two buildings in the town and used residents as
> human shield.
>
> 8.http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1073243.html
>
> Israel Defense Forces soldiers used an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a
> human shield during the war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, a group of UN
> human rights experts said Monday.
>
> IDF troops ordered the boy to walk in front of soldiers being fired on in
> the Gaza neighborhood of Tel al-Hawa and enter buildings before them, said
> the UN secretary-general's envoy for protecting children in armed conflict.
>
> Radhika Coomaraswamy said the incident on Jan. 15, after Israeli tanks had
> rolled into the neighborhood, was a violation of Israeli and international
> law.
>
> 9.http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/tag/israeli-use-of-human...
> The stories in the Operation Cast Lead report portray potential war crimes
> committed by Israeli troops during the operation.
>
> 10.http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israel-accused-of-using-farmers-as-h...
> Israel accused of using farmers as human shields
>
> 11.http://www.adalah.org/eng/humanshields.php
> SPECIAL REPORT:
> Human Shields
> Use of Palestinian Civilians as Human Shields by the Israeli Army
>
> 12.http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4233
>
> Israel's Use of Human Shields
> Ironically, while Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and other
> reputable human rights organizations-including the Israeli group
> B'tselem-have demonstrated that, while there is little conclusive evidence
> that the Hezbollah militia used human shields as a calculated policy, the
> Israeli Defense Forces have used this illegal maneuver as a standard
> practice, particularly earlier this decade following a right-wing coalition
> coming to power in Israel in early 2001.
>
> 13.http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/15/israel.gaza.report/index.html
dsharavi
> HHW lacks the balls to comment on the following PROOF that Atzmon > is a lowly liar:
Sheesh, drahcir, if HHW wants to believe that a credible source for
facts is a boged-cum-British bebop/punk rocker, who has stated that
burning down a synagogue "is a rational act," and that the notion that
"Jewish people are trying to control the world" is to be taken
seriously -- let him. When you think about it, it's pretty funny.
Try to imagine HHW representing a client in a case against the
goofball Atzmon -- the cause of action is up to you -- then imagine
how quickly H's opinion Atzmon's credibility would change. Factor in
Atzmon's piles of bread, and the potential for large punitive damages,
and the scenario gets even funnier.
Deborah
Fish Supper
***
I see a video where a Hamas fighter pulls a child to saftey from the middle
of the street and lots of footage of civilians standing round looking on as
Hamas shoot back. There is no instance of human shields being used. You've
just grabbed anything you could find off of youtube and hoped that something
would stick - of course nothing has.
***
There's plenty more.
***
You really are a sick, twisted piece of human filth.
A child is tied up and blindfolded and forced to crouch in front of a
soldier who is firing a weapon in a fire fight and that disgusting post is
all you can come up with.
I'll take it that since you can't come up with anything else on the other 12
cases, that my point is proven.
Still, I suppose the up side is that everyone can now see you clearly for
what you are - the absolute personification of Zionism.
The IDF are war criminals, and you are the perfect, degenerate spokesperson
for them.
drahcir
>
> ***
> I see a video where a Hamas fighter pulls a child to saftey from the middle
> of the street and lots of footage of civilians standing round looking on as
> Hamas shoot back. There is no instance of human shields being used.
LOL!! You're either a liar, an idiot, or both. Buhbye, you ass.
Fish Supper
***
come now, Dicky - care to answer the other 12 pieces of documented proof
about Israeli war crimes?
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15058 - here,
have another look.
drahcir
>
> > ***
> > I see a video where a Hamas fighter pulls a child to saftey from the
> > middle
> > of the street and lots of footage of civilians standing round looking on
> > as
> > Hamas shoot back. There is no instance of human shields being used.
>
> LOL!! You're either a liar, an idiot, or both. Buhbye, you ass.
>
> ***
>
> come now, Dicky - care to answer the other 12 pieces of documented proof
You're nothing but a misinformed geezer who apparently can't even
watch a video and decipher its meaning. Go watch your shows, grampa.
You're clueless.
>
> http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15058- here,
> have another look.
Fish Supper
So, that'll be another no, then, Dick?
You share quite a lot in common with your IDF heros, you know.
You lie. You dissemble. You deny the undeniable. You revert to hysteria when
you are shown up for what you are, you ignore proof when it is presented and
when the going gets tough you run away.
Sometimes I think you are actually a Palestinian plant, working these
newsgroups to turn decent people into haters of Israel - but then you come
out with comments like those you made about that blinfolded, handcuffed
child being used as a human shield and then I think, "nah, nobody could
pretend to be such a complete cunt - he really has to be a zionist"
drahcir
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d28334a5-d0f8-4e2b...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 18, 6:00 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:36d5cc8d-61a4-4aff...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 18, 5:34 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > come now, Dicky - care to answer the other 12 pieces of documented proof
> > about Israeli war crimes?]
>
> You're nothing but a misinformed geezer who apparently can't even
> watch a video and decipher its meaning. Go watch your shows, grampa.
> You're clueless.
>
>
>
> >http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15058-here,
> > have another look.
I've replied to this twice. If you're too dense to understand that
reply, go watch your shows, ben.
Fish Supper
On Nov 18, 7:20 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d28334a5-d0f8-4e2b...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 18, 6:00 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:36d5cc8d-61a4-4aff...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 18, 5:34 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > come now, Dicky - care to answer the other 12 pieces of documented proof
> > about Israeli war crimes?]
>
> You're nothing but a misinformed geezer who apparently can't even
> watch a video and decipher its meaning. Go watch your shows, grampa.
> You're clueless.
>
>
>
> >http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15058-here,
> > have another look.
I've replied to this twice. If you're too dense to understand that
reply, go watch your shows, ben.
****
You've lied about the photo twice, Dick.
here, have another look
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15058
blindfolded, handcuffed and forced to crouch in front of an IDF criminal
whilst shooting goes on.
But then the civilised world expects nothing else from zionist scum.
How long are you going to avoid confronting the other 12 pieces of
documented evidence?
or are you going to 'do an IDF' and run away when things get tough?
drahcir
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:115f34bd-a40f-45c5...@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 18, 7:20 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d28334a5-d0f8-4e2b...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 18, 6:00 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > > "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:36d5cc8d-61a4-4aff...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Nov 18, 5:34 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > > come now, Dicky - care to answer the other 12 pieces of documented proof
> > > about Israeli war crimes?]
>
> > You're nothing but a misinformed geezer who apparently can't even
> > watch a video and decipher its meaning. Go watch your shows, grampa.
> > You're clueless.
>
> > >http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15058-here,
> > > have another look.
>
> I've replied to this twice. If you're too dense to understand that
> reply, go watch your shows, ben.
> ****
>
> You've lied about the photo twice, Dick.
>
>
> blindfolded, handcuffed and forced to crouch in front of an IDF criminal
> whilst shooting goes on.
As I said, get yourself a pair of glasses. The prisoner, if anything,
is being kept safe by the soldier. He is against a wall and out of the
line of fire. You are clearly a lying idiot who thinks because he says
black is white, someone will be convinced.
drahcir
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:115f34bd-a40f-45c5...@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 18, 7:20 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d28334a5-d0f8-4e2b...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 18, 6:00 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > > "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:36d5cc8d-61a4-4aff...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Nov 18, 5:34 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > > come now, Dicky - care to answer the other 12 pieces of documented proof
> > > about Israeli war crimes?]
>
> > You're nothing but a misinformed geezer who apparently can't even
> > watch a video and decipher its meaning. Go watch your shows, grampa.
> > You're clueless.
>
> > >http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15058-here,
> > > have another look.
>
> I've replied to this twice. If you're too dense to understand that
> reply, go watch your shows, ben.
> ****
>
> You've lied about the photo twice, Dick.
>
cornholio
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Who cares? The muslime fucks should've of thought of this BEFORE
they began firing tens of THOUSANDS of rockets and mortar rounds
into Israel. YOu see shitehead, the above actions are commonly called
an ACT OF WAR.