FARRAKHAN SPREADS MESSAGE OF HATE!!!!!!
er...@columbia.edu
elija...@aol.com (ELIJAH3130) wrote:
>>Bismillah Ar Rahman Nir Raheem......who came in the Person of Master Fard
>>Muhammad the Great Mahdi and teacher of the Most Honorable Elijah
>>Muhammad,
>>the Messenger of Allah......AS SALAAM ALAIKUM........
>>
>>
>>Dear Bro.Tony,
>> Without wasting my time or provoking your ego....I would
>>prefer to accept any type of questions that you may have in regards to
>>the
>>so-called script that members of the Nation of Islam ( irregardless of
>>whose
>>guidance they are under i.e. Min. Farrakhan, Bro. Silas Muhammad, Min.
>>Jeremiah
>>( Cummings from Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes ) Muhammad etc.). I
>>understand your situation as it concerns your brother who is somehow a
>>sympathizer with the teachings of the Mr. Elijah Muhammad as given to him
>>by
>>Master Fard Muhammad and according to you is misguiding his daughter. What
>>I
>>do not respect from your portrayal of your brother is that you have a
>>disease
>>of mockery in your heart towards his belief system or the methodology for
>>teaching his child.
>>
>> Bro. Tony I see what you consider a fallacy behind the
>>>teaching that the caucasian is the Devil or that which is non-black is
>>evil.
>>WAIT A MINUTE Mr. Hypothesis ! First of all before you place your brother
>>out
>>there before the world as ignorant, misguided, and misguiding, get the
>>facts
>>as to what is the reasoning and conclusion for such teaching. There is no
>>fallacy in this belief. Caucasians, according to their own books, are
>>ill-intentious by nature and according to our ancient ancestors as far as
>>6,600 yrs. ago, were considered weak-gened and mutated....thus laying way
>>for
>>a taboo-founded ordinance that is stated in the books of Genesis and
>>Leviticus to not mate with them who called the "cursed seed of Canaan" or
>>the
>>leprous-filled people of Haran ( there were two Harans....the cursed seed
>>dwelled near the Haran on the Caucasus Mts. ). Of course a civilized man
>>would show the environmental-effects of being civilized by the
>>Science Law and Order that the Original Blackman taught him ( i.e.the
>>Moors,
>>the Ancient Khemites-Egyptians etc).
>>
>> This does not mean that he is not the Devil. A wise man knows what is
>>good for him as well as bad. Just because he does good does not make him
>>HOLY, UNTAMPERED WITH OR UNDILUTED necessarily. Thus there are conditions
>>that must be discovered or unveiled to determine the root of his/her
>>intent.
>>Since we all can agree that much of what we do is based on DNA or simply
>>said, genes, then we would have to ask did the "white man" act so nice to
>>the
>>"little black girl"? Whether you agree or not is not the point, but the
>>making of a "mutated people" was not done on good intent( more on this
>>later
>>)so this did not serve any humane purpose, but only to produce an envious
>>group of nations that would only desire to conquer and control that which
>>was
>>falling-and
>>that was the Blackman. So brother, the little black girl is booty of a war
>>that we are fighting today still.......that white man based on a
>>collective
>>benefit of this present state of white-world supremacy sees her as no
>>threat,
>>but a prize. for if he wins her over...she will produce more bastards like
>>himself as we made his ancestors the same 6,600 yrs. ago. This may seem
>>like
>>a generalization but I am speaking about nature not socio-environmental
>>circumstances sir. The humanity found in some societies can make any human
>>being alter what is already written on his DNA. The keyword is "make".
>>Just
>>as any inhumane circumstances can alter a group of people or individual
>>into
>>something that is not written on their DNA genetic history i.e Black
>>people
>>and other people of color have such an alteration. Our collective
>>condition
>>is evidence of my conclusion.........Get your facts or opinions organized
>>or
>>don't say anything at all, unless you would like to be evidence against
>>yourself. Visit your local mosque or at least read a FINAL CALL NEWSPAPER,
>>which sells over 500, 000 for its circulation. WE ARE TIRED OF NEGROES
>>LIKE
>>YOU WHO LOVE THE CAUCASIAN AND HIS SYSTEM......EVEN THOUGH HE/SHE HAS
>>NEVER
>>GAVE YOU A WORTHY DIME FOR YOUR LABOR....GET FIRED AND WATCH HOW "BLACK"
>>YOU
>>GET. AS SALAAM ALAIKUM. I accept any rebuttals or inquiries. Thank You.
>>
>>I am Ra'Kham Har'Makhu Tehuti-Allah ( Johnny 2X Muhammad's Mosque 66,
>>Jacksonville Florida )... ......As Salaam Alaikum to the Nation of Islam
>>in the West and the Nation of Gods and Earths..and all other striving
>>communities working towards the establishment of freedom, justice, and
>>equality=balancing the scales for the establishment of Allah's kingdom on
>>earth as it is in the Universe....Shukran( THANKS )
You and all of the followers have a warpedsense of reallity. You come
around talking all this grabage. You believe in a mythology made up by an
ignorant man, that some mad scientist Yaquub and his crazy experiment to
create the "evil white man" from genetic mutations.
I understand that the white man does bad things to you, and he wiped
out your culture many years ago, but the mythology and beleifs of the NOI
are based on 100 percent pure BS. Maybe you all should open up a book and
find out about what REAL ISLAM is: to be colorblind, to love your
neighbor, and to believe that Muhammad was the last prophet, not some
ignorant old man named Fard or Elijah Muhammad.
Your tiny smattering of Arabic fools only the ignorant. You know how to
say a few words like a tourist to an Arab country. You do not
know the first thing about TRUE ISLAM, let alone world history to be
telling people about civilizations.
Cleaning up criminals and helping your people straighten their lives
out is beatiful, but the messages of racism and hate are not only ugly,
but un-Islamic.
Your leader the "unhonorable minister Louis Farrakhan," Khalid
Muhammad and every person in the NOI that I have met are world class
hippocrites. If they would have opened a history book before writing that
despicable piece of filth, the Secret Relationship, they would realize
that there wasn't a single group of people in the world that has'nt owned
or traded slaves at one time or another. Therefore, singling out Jews, who
played such a tiny role in that trade, or even white Europeans, without
giving equal attention to the Arab and fellow Muslims, and African (yes,
African innocent, original man, king of the world) slave traders and
kidnappers, is wrong. In fact, it was the Arab and Muslim traders who
you and other NOI members wish to emulate so much, started the tremendous
exploitation of Africa in the early middle ages.
Since you obviously hjave never opened a history book in your life,
let me do it for you -
FACT: the first slave raid on Africa was the Muslim conquest of
Egypt. I beleive it was in the year 641 that a peace treaty was
signed between the conquering Muslims in Egypt and As-Sudaan, that
permitted the capturing of several hundred slaves per year. Not to
mention the fact that the Arabs and Muslims perfected the Saharan
slave trade routes (in which millions more Black Africans perished
than in the notorious "middle passage") that permitted
transportation of slaves from the west coast of Africa to the East
Coast and all over the middle east to the Persian Gulf. Only after
seeing the tremendous wealth that the Muslim empire was ammassing
in this trade did the Europeans get into it. Yes the Jews were
involved, but no where near to the extent portrayed in the Secret
Relationship Between Blacks and Jews (which hasn't much of asecret
at all, for years Jewish historians have been writing about it).
It seems like the only "secret relationship" Farrakhan and the NOI
should be writing of is the relationship between Arabs, Muslims and
Blacks.
I am not trying to defend the Jews or the Europeans, nor am I trying
to be anti Arab or ant-Islamic, but I am merely trying to clear up some
of the history that NOI has obviously chosen to ignore.
It is a shame that nowadays, these crazy racist ideas can gain so much
popularity among Blacks that don't necessarily believe the rest of the
NOI's fabricated mythology.
Alok Kapoor
Lee Pryor
>
> I am not trying to defend the Jews or the Europeans, nor am I
trying to be anti Arab or ant-Islamic, but I am merely trying to clear
up some of the history that NOI has obviously chosen to ignore.
>
> It is a shame that nowadays, these crazy racist ideas can gain so
much popularity among Blacks that don't necessarily believe the rest of
the NOI's fabricated mythology.
Rather or not I agree with what you are saying, it was very
interesting and well stated. I think many could learn a lot from this
style of debate. Touch!
-John
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Joel Rosenberg
>Can you prove that YOUR religion is not man made?
So, like, did Farrakhan send you any of the snapshots he took in the spaceship?
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Joel Rosenberg <jo...@winternet.com> wrote:
>In article <4a86gh$2...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> a...@mail.utexas.edu writes:
>
>>Can you prove that YOUR religion is not man made?
>
>So, like, did Farrakhan send you any of the snapshots he took in the spaceship?
Joel, answer, if you can, the question. It is a very *PROFOUND* question.
If you can't answer it, just say so.
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Joel Rosenberg
>In article <joelr.113...@winternet.com>,
>Joel Rosenberg <jo...@winternet.com> wrote:
>>In article <4a86gh$2...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> a...@mail.utexas.edu writes:
>>
>>>Can you prove that YOUR religion is not man made?
>>
>>So, like, did Farrakhan send you any of the snapshots he took in the spaceship?
>Joel, answer, if you can, the question. It is a very *PROFOUND* question.
>If you can't answer it, just say so.
You answer mine; I'll answer yours. Hell, I'll even go first.
Joel Rosenberg
>Have you gone to see the Minister speak in person?
Nope. Listened to two of his speeches on cable access channels. In full.
Read lots of quotes, taken in context. Heard lots of silence on the subject
of his more rabid attack dog, Khalid Muhammed -- that's the dog's term, not
mine; take it up with him if you've got a problem -- and listened to his
so-called explanation.
Now: you ever go hear Tom Metzger speak? George Lincoln Rockwell? dela
Beckwith? Or, Farrakhan's "great" man, Hitler?
But, you haven't? Then how can you criticize them?
Or, like, are there other standards for white racist demagogues than AA racist
demagogues?
a...@mail.utexas.edu
>
>NoI is another Qadiani or Bahai type manmade religion with its own false
>prophet.
Can you prove that YOUR religion is not man made?
How can you tell that YOUR prophet was not false? Because it says so in a book?
Since every religion claims to have monoply on truth, they nullify each other.
All these fairy tale religions are based on falsehood.
Your_Name
that you suggest an anti-Bahai movement?
Asking only out of curiosity, looking forward to
an intelligent reason for your suggestion.
D.C.I.
Seals and Croft belong to Bahai.
Their music is still a study for the
serious theorists. Must be sumptin
good goin' on with a little spiritual
discipline.
DCI
DarkStar
Joel Rosenberg <jo...@winternet.com> wrote:
>In article <4aa3n7$g...@zippy.cais.net> dark...@cais.cais.com (DarkStar) writes:
>
>>In article <joelr.113...@winternet.com>,
>>Joel Rosenberg <jo...@winternet.com> wrote:
>>>In article <4a86gh$2...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> a...@mail.utexas.edu writes:
>>>
>>>
>
>>Joel, answer, if you can, the question. It is a very *PROFOUND* question.
>>If you can't answer it, just say so.
>
>You answer mine; I'll answer yours. Hell, I'll even go first.
You can't answer the question can you?
Religion is based on faith, period. You have faith that what is written
is true. The origin of man across different religions are similar in some
respects.
Masood Abooali
together and send this anti-human regim to the hell. Please don't
fight each other's idology and religon.
ErcUment Cetiner
What do you know about FARRAKHAN & his MSG?
Linda elaine Hall
: What is so wrong with the Bahai faith
: that you suggest an anti-Bahai movement?
: Asking only out of curiosity, looking forward to
: an intelligent reason for your suggestion.
Why waste anytime on Farrakhan period!
Joel Rosenberg
>In article <joelr.114...@winternet.com>,
>Joel Rosenberg <jo...@winternet.com> wrote:
>>In article <DJAEq...@news.uwindsor.ca> Kehimkar Simon <kehimka> writes:
>>
>>
>>>Have you gone to see the Minister speak in person?
>>
>>Nope. Listened to two of his speeches on cable access channels. In full.
>>Read lots of quotes, taken in context. Heard lots of silence on the subject
>>of his more rabid attack dog, Khalid Muhammed -- that's the dog's term, not
>>mine; take it up with him if you've got a problem -- and listened to his
>>so-called explanation.
>>
>>Now: you ever go hear Tom Metzger speak? George Lincoln Rockwell? dela
>>Beckwith? Or, Farrakhan's "great" man, Hitler?
>>
>>But, you haven't? Then how can you criticize them?
>>
>>Or, like, are there other standards for white racist demagogues than AA racist
>>demagogues?
>You may have a point but I think Simon's right. I always used to read
>all kinds of negative stuff bout the NOI. I was firmly opposed to them
>since they seemed so racist. But when I read the Final Call or listen to
>Farrakhan's message when it doesn't come through the mainstream media I
>usually agree with it.
And I'm sure that the ads in the paper for, say, Four Roses don't mention a
lot about cirrhosis of the liver.
Martin Fox
>In article <joelr.114...@winternet.com>,
>Joel Rosenberg <jo...@winternet.com> wrote:
>>In article <DJAEq...@news.uwindsor.ca> Kehimkar Simon <kehimka> writes:
>>
>>
>>>Have you gone to see the Minister speak in person?
>>
>>Nope. Listened to two of his speeches on cable access channels. In full.
>>Read lots of quotes, taken in context. Heard lots of silence on the subject
>>of his more rabid attack dog, Khalid Muhammed -- that's the dog's term, not
>>mine; take it up with him if you've got a problem -- and listened to his
>>so-called explanation.
>>
>>Now: you ever go hear Tom Metzger speak? George Lincoln Rockwell? dela
>>Beckwith? Or, Farrakhan's "great" man, Hitler?
>>
>>But, you haven't? Then how can you criticize them?
>>
>>Or, like, are there other standards for white racist demagogues than AA racist
>>demagogues?
>
>You may have a point but I think Simon's right. I always used to read
>all kinds of negative stuff bout the NOI. I was firmly opposed to them
>since they seemed so racist. But when I read the Final Call or listen to
>Farrakhan's message when it doesn't come through the mainstream media I
>usually agree with it.
>
>NOI you're probably getting a twisted version of the story.
>
>
> P.E.A.C.E.
>
> Grim
>
>
> Don't Believe The Hype
This is one case in which mainstream media are, if anything, too gentle.
I did not go to either Farrakhan speach on this campus. I would not pay to get in
and give financial support to him. However, I did better. With some friends I
watched the tape of his first speach here from begining to end. We had the
advantage of being able to stop and rewind to be sure of what we were hearing, and
rewind we did on several occasions.
Farrakhan gave a antisemitic speach here. Therefore, for want of any evidence to
the contrary, I conclude that he is antisemitic.
By the way, he is also a racist. Yes, one can be a Black racist as well as a White
racist. Listen to him carefully.
Martin Fox
michael imani slater
gonna'talk about it or be about it" when asked ,if he would stand up for
all anti-oppression leaders in his community. "See he adds most people
are intiminated by the strong presense of a intelligent, well
spoken, God (Allah) fearing Black-Man."That's why I beleive God is gonna
come back as a Man of Afrikan desent to shock and force all that claim
they beleive in the creator and his messenger's to put up or shut up".
It is easier for European's & some mis-guided Blacks to bag the
Minister as a hate teacher that way they don't have to deal with him
but, what do you do with his followers Muslim and non-Muslim ?
Henry Voyer
>In article <joelr.113...@winternet.com>,
>Joel Rosenberg <jo...@winternet.com> wrote:
>>In article <4aa3n7$g...@zippy.cais.net> dark...@cais.cais.com (DarkStar) writes:
>>
>>>In article <joelr.113...@winternet.com>,
>>>Joel Rosenberg <jo...@winternet.com> wrote:
>>>>In article <4a86gh$2...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> a...@mail.utexas.edu writes:
>>>>
>>>>>Can you prove that YOUR religion is not man made?
>>>>
>>>>So, like, did Farrakhan send you any of the snapshots he took in the spaceship?
>>
>>>Joel, answer, if you can, the question. It is a very *PROFOUND* question.
>>>If you can't answer it, just say so.
>>
>>You answer mine; I'll answer yours. Hell, I'll even go first.
>You can't answer the question can you?
>Religion is based on faith, period. You have faith that what is written
>is true. The origin of man across different religions are similar in some
>respects.
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Sorry Darkstar but if we all but our faith in religions .
And that mean that they are truth.
So We must says that the religions wars, terrorism acts < most
religious> are in fact send by our god or more directly are justify .
NO WAY JOSE......
Religions are the opium of the people...
KARL MARX
MEN is the wolf of MEN>
DESCARTES>
Thats the only truth that i know.
GOD is there and he want that us <as men> learn to love and to have
peace by ourself not by someone telling what to do.
Bye the way ;:-> i am not a racist , my mom is black my father is
white and my culture is latino.
AND I BET THAT FARACAN IS RICH.......
HEVO
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Linda elaine Hall (ha...@mail.sdsu.edu) wrote:
Can anyone tell me what Farrakhan is saying which is called anti-Bahai ?
free...@sonetis.com
>What is so wrong with the Bahai faith
>that you suggest an anti-Bahai movement?
>Asking only out of curiosity, looking forward to
>an intelligent reason for your suggestion.
In my view, nothing wrong with any faith including the Bahaii.
Farrakhan's faith does not have a spiritual depth, but rather carries
a materialistic one. He is infatuated by numbers, fame and money.
Not bad for a marginal junkie. Analysis of his impassioned speech
does not inspire much respect. He's a phenomenon that will be soon
forgotten. Like all marginal fads.
regards.
ATA
On 11 Dec 1995, Linda elaine Hall wrote:
> Your_Name (Your_...@qlink.queensu.ca) wrote:
> : What is so wrong with the Bahai faith
> : that you suggest an anti-Bahai movement?
> : Asking only out of curiosity, looking forward to
> : an intelligent reason for your suggestion.
>
If you don't know anything about Farrakhan - it is waste of time, but if
you know his msg and understand it - then it is not waste.
> Why waste anytime on Farrakhan period!
>
>
Jonathan A. Frater
<umab...@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote:
Hear! Hear! God bless you sir. Happy Yule!
--Madison Lyon
Macimilian
or her mind. Bob.
William Greene
>
> This message has no place on this channel. Clearly the person has lost his
> or her mind. Bob.
There is an excellent sermon on Farrakhan, however, at
http://www.shopmiami.com/jf/jflocal.html entitled "Names of God: Response to
the Million Man March".
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Afghanaria
mesery, poverty and humiliation.
Thanks
Joel Rosenberg
Gee, that's what they said about Hitler. And Mussolini. And George Lincoln
Rockwell. And Nasser.
I think not.
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condition, he did take time out to regard himself in the mirror and say,
'But on *me* it does look good.'"
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ari l. ben
to lead one's people from darkness into light cannot be
accomplished by blinding them with bigotry and racism. mr. farrakhan's
tactic of portraying the jews as enemies of the african americans is the
same story used by other demonic leaders of the past to galvanize and
unify on the backs of unfortunate minorities. we recognize
the evil. for us to turn a blind eye to this evil is impossible.
enlightenment is
not just the goal, it is the way. crawling in the gutter of hatred leads
one to the sewers of despair.
good luck, peace and understanding to all in 1996.
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ti...@shore.net
In article <4c554b$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
Kevin Davis
>Please have some respect for a man who is trying to lead his people out of
>mesery, poverty and humiliation.
> Thanks
And along the way is spreading bigotry, racism, and hatred. I have no
respect for someone who apparently feels that the ends justify
whatever means are necessary.
Wizard of id
>Please have some respect for a man who is trying to lead his people out of
>mesery, poverty and humiliation.
> Thanks
Seems rather pathetic that he has to scape goat other peoples in order
to achieve his goals, much the same tatics and goals of Hitler, and
yet he too was only trying to bring his people out ofpoverty, misery,
and depression, and along the way he only murdered about 35 million
people. Ah yes, such enlightment.
Joel Rosenberg
>afgha...@aol.com (Afghanaria) wrote:
But don't the generally good avowed ends always justify "any means necessary"?
(Just kidding. Honest.)
Roger Froikin
writes:
>Please have some respect for a man who is trying to lead his people
out of
>mesery, poverty and humiliation.
>
I can respect a man who does as you describe, but not one who uses
hatred as a tool to do it.
What you've stated could describe Hitler or Stalin as well as Louis
Farrakhan.
The hatred detracts from the effort at positive change, and so does
damage to those one hates AND to the people one is purportedly trying
to help.
Lee Pryor
writes:
>afgha...@aol.com (Afghanaria) wrote:
>
>>Please have some respect for a man who is trying to lead his people
out of
>>mesery, poverty and humiliation.
>
>And along the way is spreading bigotry, racism, and hatred. I have no
>respect for someone who apparently feels that the ends justify
>whatever means are necessary.
>
How long, oh how lonnnnnnnnng must we keep this thread going? Farrakhan
is but one man with one man's opinions, why do we place so much
emphasis on them? Is he really all that important after all? Is he? I
mean when was the last time anyone even gave a care about _your_
opinions. I know that _I_ don't... doubt that Farrakhan does either.
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IS WHAT MIN.FARRAKHAN SAYS TRUE ,YES IT IS THE TRUTH,NO ONE CALL WHAT HE SAYS
A LIE ,THEY JUST SAY IT'S ANTI-SEMETIC.HOW IN THE HELL'S OF NORTH
AMERICA CAN YOU CALL A MAN A ANTI-SEMITE WHEN SEMITE (MEANS BLACK OR DARK
SKINED PEOPLE OF SEMITE ORIGIN). JEW IS NOT A RACE ,JEWISH PEOPLE PORTRAY
JUDEAISM AS A RACE WHEN THEY ARE WHITE PEOPLE WHO CALL THEMSEVLES JEWS
AND THE WHOLE WORLD FOLLOWS THE PLAN .THINK UNEMOTIONAL IS JEW A RACE OR
RELIGION.IF A INDIAN ACCEPTED JUDEAISM WOULD THAT MAKE HIM NO LONGER A
INDIAN? WOULD HE BECOME A JEW (A BRAND NEW RACE )THIS MAKES NO SENSE.IN
THE BIBLE MOSES SPENT 40 YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS,DURING THIS TIME MOSES
WAS TEACHING WHITE PEOPLE THE KNOWLEDGE OF CIVILIZATION,BEFORE THEY RETU
Na...@magmacom.com
Cut the Crap!
Kevin Davis
>In <4c6fg1$b...@ddi2.digital.net> kda...@digital.net (Kevin Davis)
>writes:
>>
>>afgha...@aol.com (Afghanaria) wrote:
>>
>>>Please have some respect for a man who is trying to lead his people
>out of
>>>mesery, poverty and humiliation.
>>> Thanks
>>
>>And along the way is spreading bigotry, racism, and hatred. I have no
>>respect for someone who apparently feels that the ends justify
>>whatever means are necessary.
>>
>How long, oh how lonnnnnnnnng must we keep this thread going? Farrakhan
>is but one man with one man's opinions, why do we place so much
>emphasis on them? Is he really all that important after all? Is he? I
>mean when was the last time anyone even gave a care about _your_
>opinions. I know that _I_ don't... doubt that Farrakhan does either.
>--
The problem isn't that he is just one man. The problem is that he is
influencing millions towards his own biases and bigotry. Many people
in Europe had your same attitude about Hitler prior to WWII.
Food for thought.
Mark Ira Kaufman
"Deshane L. Watson" <blac...@acpub.duke.edu> writes, or shouts...
(I have corrected punctuation and spelling where called for.)
> WAKE THE HELL UP[!]
I'm awake.
Now what do you want?
> IS WHAT MIN.FARRAKHAN SAYS TRUE[?] ,.....
Some of the things he says are true.
Some are exageration.
Some are outright lies.
> YES IT IS THE TRUTH[.],....
Like I said, not everything he says is a lie.
Just a huge amount of what he says.
> NO ONE CALL[s] WHAT HE SAYS A LIE ,....
I did.
And I will continue to do so.
Just what Farrakhan says about Jews and Blacks and the slave trade account
for dozens of out and out lies. And that is just one area in which Farrakhan
has lied.
> THEY JUST SAY IT'S ANTI-SEM[i]TIC.
Not everything Farrakhan says is antisemitic.
> HOW IN THE HELL'S OF NORTH AMERICA CAN YOU CALL A MAN A[n] ANTI-SEMITE WHEN
> SEMITE (MEANS BLACK OR DARK SKINED PEOPLE OF SEMITE[semitic] ORIGIN).
You are ignorant about how language works. The term 'antisemitism' is the
commonly accepted term for bigotry against Jews. The meaning of 'semite' is
irrelevant to the meaning of 'antisemitism,' and always has been. The term
'Antisemitism' has always been a synonym for Jew-hatred.
Since you find the term 'antisemitism' inappropriate in this instance, let
us instead say that Louis Farrakhan is a Jew-hating bigot.
> JEW IS NOT A RACE[.] ,...
Yes and no.
> JEWISH PEOPLE PORTRAY JUDEAISM AS A RACE WHEN THEY ARE WHITE PEOPLE WHO CALL
> THEMSEVLES JEWS AND THE WHOLE WORLD FOLLOWS THE PLAN.
gentiles, especially with a fun-loving group of Germans about 50-60 years ago.
> THINK UNEMOTIONAL[ly.] IS JEW A RACE OR RELIGION[?].
Yes.
> IF A[n] INDIAN ACCEPTED JUDEAISM[Judaism] WOULD THAT MAKE HIM NO LONGER A[n]
> INDIAN? WOULD HE BECOME A JEW (A BRAND NEW RACE )[?] THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
> IN THE BIBLE MOSES SPENT 40 YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS,[.] DURING THIS TIME
> RETU
Fred Aziz
>
> What the hell does Farrakhan have to do with Lebanon!!!
>
> Cut the Crap!
I can't understand why intelligent people waste time discussing
Farrakhan. The man is a phony who has found a profitable to separate
suckers from their money. It's about power and money is power.
Mario Williams
wrote:
>In article <4c554b$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> afgha...@aol.com (Afghanaria) writes:
>
>>Please have some respect for a man who is trying to lead his people out of
>>mesery, poverty and humiliation.
>> Thanks
>
>
>Gee, that's what they said about Hitler. And Mussolini. And George Lincoln
>Rockwell. And Nasser.
>
They also said it about Rabin:) Chickens do come home to roost:)
>I think not.
I think so.
Malcolm XXX
DOG493
Sex--oops-- I mean Roberts and the likes. Only then, can I even entertain
your opinion.
-That's my opinion.
GET YOUR HAND OUT MY POCKET!!
Martin Fox
If you mean that they, along with Farrakhan, spread messages of hate, I'm with you.
The difference is that the televangilists do it so much more smoothlt, claimng not
to hate you, but only to hate your sin (which is disagreeing with them).
Martin Fox
Macimilian
are, were and where they want to go. A pox on these people who are ruining
the soc. culture French and Africa (the continent) channels ) Go away or
you shall be moderated away by the likes of Ammar. Ciao, and good
riddance. Bob.
Kashmir
was one of hope, atonement, and uplift. The message was directed towards
African-Americans but I found a lot of truth in his message for all people.
He didn't denigrate any religious group, race, or ethnic group. I believe the
media has distorted Farrakhan's message and seeks to demonize him. I thought
he was a racist as well before I saw him actually speak in his two and a half
hour address on CNN in front of the 'white house'.
As a Panjabi, I believe Farrakhan to be someone who actually cares about the
welfare of his people and I have nothing against him and his message of peace
and uplift.
fatah,
Kashmir
Joel Rosenberg
>On Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:30:31, jo...@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
>wrote:
>>In article <4c554b$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> afgha...@aol.com (Afghanaria) writes:
>>
>>>Please have some respect for a man who is trying to lead his people out of
>>>mesery, poverty and humiliation.
>>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>Gee, that's what they said about Hitler. And Mussolini. And George Lincoln
>>Rockwell. And Nasser.
>>
>They also said it about Rabin:)
No, I don't recall anybody saying that about Rabin.
>Chickens do come home to roost:)
Yes, they do, Mario. You could ask Malcolm X about that, but his chickens
killed him.
Mario Williams
wrote:
>In article <30ea16e5...@news.execpc.com> mal...@execpc.com (Mario Williams) writes:
>
>
>>On Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:30:31, jo...@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
>>wrote:
>
>>>In article <4c554b$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> afgha...@aol.com (Afghanaria) writes:
>>>
>>>>Please have some respect for a man who is trying to lead his people out of
>>>>mesery, poverty and humiliation.
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>Gee, that's what they said about Hitler. And Mussolini. And George Lincoln
>>>Rockwell. And Nasser.
>>>
>>They also said it about Rabin:)
>
>No, I don't recall anybody saying that about Rabin.
>
>>Chickens do come home to roost:)
>
>Yes, they do, Mario. You could ask Malcolm X about that, but his chickens
>killed him.
>
>Rabin's chickens killed him also :)
No Peace
to you
Malcolm XXX
crapola deleted
Joel Rosenberg
Well, no; the fellow murdered Rabin was not a member of the Labor coalition,
or the Likud. The fellows who murdered Malcolm X were, if I recall, members
of his temple, and certainly were members of the religious cult he'd left.
>No Peace
> to you
I understand, Mario, but they do have very good drugs to treat your condition,
and you might want to ask your Mommy to buy you some.
Robert F Underhill
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Joel Rosenberg (jo...@winternet.com) wrote:
: In article <4c554b$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> afgha...@aol.com (Afghanaria) writes:
: >Please have some respect for a man who is trying to lead his people out of
: >mesery, poverty and humiliation.
: > Thanks
nd let's have some Christian charity - and use some God-given reason. IF
there is hate in Minister Farrakhan's heart, it will not be change by
hate in OUR hearts.
Bob Of Boston
Joel Rosenberg
>If you saw the million man march on t.v. you'd know that Farrakhan's message
>was one of hope, atonement, and uplift. The message was directed towards
>African-Americans but I found a lot of truth in his message for all people.
>He didn't denigrate any religious group, race, or ethnic group.
Oh? Then what about those awkward quotes?
D.C.I.
writes:
>nd let's have some Christian charity - and use some God-given reason.
>IF there is hate in Minister Farrakhan's heart, it will not be change
>by hate in OUR hearts.
>
>Bob Of Boston
ZZZZZAAAAAAAMMMMM!
Now we're gettin'
someplace. Make my
ride on Green Line
in your city a real
pleasure.
DCI
Pedro DaBalsa
whatever color they come are not worthy of respect.
Dawn Clarke
(Afghanaria) wrote:
> Please have some respect for a man who is trying to lead his people out of
> mesery, poverty and humiliation.
> Thanks
Farrakhan is not the way forward.
Malcom X realised what mistakes he had made before his death - so should
Farrakhan!
dc
Ron Feigen
that there is no distortion by the media. Distortions by Farrakhan
abound. The 1,000,000 man march was F on his best behavior. He was
trying to be accepted by the main stream. If he opened his mouth with
his usual racist propaganda all the other black leaders (except the Al
Sharpton types) would have deserted him.
Ron
us...@company.com (Kashmir) wrote:
>If you saw the million man march on t.v. you'd know that Farrakhan's message
>was one of hope, atonement, and uplift. The message was directed towards
>African-Americans but I found a lot of truth in his message for all people.
Joel Rosenberg
>Maybe Farrakhan doesn't want to end up like Malcolm X? After all he
>WAS KILLEd because he decided preaching hatered and black supremacy
>were not the "way"
Well, I think it's more likely that he got it because he had gone public with
"Elijah Muhammed's" adultery. Kind of hard to explain to people that they
must live lives of chastity when you don't.
You think he actually said, "Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?"
Ron Feigen
WAS KILLEd because he decided preaching hatered and black supremacy
were not the "way"
Jason Hirschhorn
black televangilists are evil? We think they all are!
In article <4ce9pb$r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, dog...@aol.com (DOG493) wrote:
> I hope you say the very same thing about televangilists like Oral
> Sex--oops-- I mean Roberts and the likes. Only then, can I even entertain
> your opinion.
>
> -That's my opinion.
>
>
> GET YOUR HAND OUT MY POCKET!!
Thanks,
Jason
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Michelle Shabazz
respect some of Farrakhan's efforts "Million Man March" etc..I don't
respect his point of view...as far as spreading the message of hate..I
don't really know. I think he believes what he is preaching...the
problem is I don't..I am more of an old school muslim raised under the
teachings of Elijah Muhammed and his son Wareeth D.
Macimilian
African (it is a continent) society and culture. As far as Islam is
concerned have you ever thought of seeking out its roots as set down by
Muhammed (the prophet not one of your local pals) and Ali and Fatima? Kind
regards.
Ken McVay OBC
Last-Modified: 1995/12/24
[Typos mine. knm]
Research Report:
The Nation of Islam: The Relentless Record of Hate
(March 1994 - March 1995)
(c) 1995 Anti-Defamation League
Printed in the United States of America
All rights reserved
[snip]
The Nation of Islam: The Relentless Record of Hate
Documenting the Bigotry of Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of
Islam,
March 1994-March 1995
Introduction
In 1995 we enter a second decade of media attention focused
on Minister Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. During
the mid-1980s, coverage of the black Muslim organization
primarily centered around Farrakhan's hideous, often violent
pronouncements against Jews, whites, Christians and
homosexuals. But in more recent years, as the Nation of
Islam has steadily expanded in both size and influence,
stories in the press suggest that NOI has lost its edge,
become more mainstream, and has even emerged as a legitimate
representative of a large segment of the black community.
There have been several attempts by NOI to sanitize its
public image. For the past few years, NOI has promoted the
activities of several security companies it operates,
claiming they have eliminated drugs and crime from public
housing projects. In Washington, DC, it has constructed a
treatment clinic that promises to deliver a cure for AIDS.
NOI recently purchased tracts of farmland in Georgia, along
with a fleet of trucks it claims will transport farm-fresh
vegetables to stores in black communities. And a restaurant
complex built on Chicago's South Side with money donated by
NOI members was opened to the public in late February. "This
is a blueprint for economic development and investment in
our neglected communities," Farrakhan announced at the
restaurant opening.
Such economic exploits make it possible for the Nation of
Islam to distract onlookers from the group's message of
bigotry. They help to cultivate an image for Farrakhan as a
leader who deeply cares for the welfare of blacks, and who
is encouraging the principles of economic self-help. But
Farrakhan's rhetoric tells a different tale, and reveals a
frightening agenda. Press reports that the NOI leader has
softened suggest that the media has stopped listening to the
words of Farrakhan and his representatives. For if they did
stop to hear what these individuals are serving up at public
arenas and college campuses around the country, or were they
to glance at the pages of NOI's bi-weekly, The Final Call,
there would be no mistaking the ongoing message of bigotry.
The Nation of Islam does not hide its prejudices. The
organization's philosophy has been, from its earliest days,
racist to the core. Its founder, Farad Muhammad [also known
as W.D. Fard], taught that the white race was produced
thousands of years ago in a failed laboratory experiment by
an evil wizard named Yacub. This pernicious belief remains
the backbone of Nation of Islam theology, and is a palpable
influence on the organization's oratory.
But in recent years, NOI appears to have "broadened its
horizons," borrowing heavily from what would seem an
unlikely rhetorical source -- the propaganda of white
supremacists. In speeches before thousands of enthusiastic
listeners, Farrakhan has breathed new life into the long-
discredited anti-Semitic myths of the white hate movement.
He claims to deliver a message of uplift to the black
community, but Farrakhan's words actually have the opposite
effect. They further the cause of those most hostile to
racial equality, while providing blacks themselves with
nothing but misplaced anger and frustration.
At a gathering in Chicago on March 19, 1995, passing his
lecture off as a scholarly history lesson, Farrakhan
promoted the anti-Jewish conspiracy theories of white
supremacist writer Gary Allen, whose book, None Dare Call It
Conspiracy, has been heavily distributed by the John Birch
Society. Farrakhan lavished praise upon Allen's work,
announcing that "I'd like to get 10,000 copies of it, have
everybody read it."
Referring at length to Allen's claim that Jewish
international bankers financed the Nazis, Farrakhan
announced that during the Holocaust, "Little Jews died while
big Jews made money. Little Jews [were] being turned into
soap while big Jews washed themselves with it." In contrast,
Farrakhan stated, "We [blacks] didn't kill one Jew.... We
were not involved there.... That was your white brother,
Hitler.... How in the hell can you call us anti-Semitic?"
In the interest of attacking Jews, Farrakhan has paid homage
to the rhetoric of white racists, ignoring the pain that
similar words have inflicted upon the black community. Such
behavior is nothing less than anti-Semitic.
In the pages that follow, excerpts from the speeches of
various NOI lieutenants demonstrably follow the same narrow
pattern of thought, and all subscribe to an identical
primitive world view. This, of course, is because these
individuals are not isolated figures, each with an active,
independent imagination. All were taught in the same
"school," and are the product of a well-organized, highly
structured movement that peddles a slick package of odd but
appealing notions to a growing number of African-Americans.
More than a year has passed since Minister Farrakhan
dismissed Khalid Abdul Muhammad as his national assistant,
claiming it to be a disciplinary measure for the raucous,
hate-filled speech Muhammad delivered at New Jersey's Kean
College. Several lessons emerge from that episode.
First, as the rhetoric in the upcoming pages will
illustrate, when Khalid Muhammad spoke at Kean he was not
spreading ideas alien to core NOI beliefs. Muhammad's "take
no prisoners" style of delivery may be unique, but his
essential message does not differ much from those of other
NOI ministers. Farrakhan made this clear last February when
he criticized Muhammad for the "manner" of his Kean College
speech, but upheld its poisonous allegations as "truths."
Farrakhan's dismissal of Khalid Muhammad, after his words at
Kean were exposed by ADL in a New York Times advertisement,
also demonstrates the importance of rooting out bigotry and
holding it up to the public spotlight. Farrakhan did not
exhibit any signs of disgust with Muhammad's "manner" in the
days that followed the talk at Kean. Muhammad remained
Farrakhan's national spokesman. It was only when citizens
learned of Muhammad's hatemongering and voiced their
condemnation that Farrakhan was forced to suspend his
representative .
The statements that follow demonstrate that the record of
NOl's hatred continues to write itself. As long as such
words of division are expressed by NOI--or any group®-public
exposure remains the most potent response for ADL. When
Americans are confronted with injustice, they deserve the
chance to reject it. This report furnishes citizens with the
means to do so.
The excerpts below, taken from speeches Minister Louis
Farrakhan has delivered over the last twelve months,
demonstrate the Nation of Islam leader's refusal to depart
from a bitter, divisive message of racist and anti-Semitic
scapegoating.
April 12, 1994: Press Conference at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel
in Houston, Texas
On Jews
"Birth of a Nation was the first great movie that made a
Jewish person a millionaire, but how did they depict us, and
how are we depicted in film today?"
April 22, 1994: Interview with Barbara Walters on 20/20
April 22, 1994
Defending Khalid Muhammad
"While I rebuked the vile manner of his speech, I said I
stand by those truths that he spoke.... If he calls Jews
bloodsuckers of the black community, if we're going to be
honest, in the 60s, many Jews were the merchants, they were
the landlords, they were the furniture persons that we
bought furniture from, they were the clothiers that we
bought clothing from. And they grew in strength from our
trade with them. Today, it's the Arabs and Koreans and
others."
On the Assassination of Malcolm X
"I was not in any way involved in his murder But don't leave
out the United States government. Don't leave out the FBI
who had worked for years to separate Malcolm from the
Honorable Elijah Muhammad."
April 30, 1994: University of Toledo, Toledo, Ohio
On Whites
"Is it wrong for me to remind you that you have suffered at
the hands of white people? If I don't remind my people of
what you people [whites] have done, you might get the mind
to do it again. "
"You're being set up for the slaughter, because they
[whites] know you are the people of God." When rich whites
need a kidney or a heart, they say, "get us a nigger! When
you're killing each other, they can't wait for you to die.
You've become good for parts."
June 4, 1994: University of Nevada, Las Vegas
On Homosexuals
Farrakhan declared in a falsetto tone, "I'm a woman in a
man's body trying to get out."
"Your Bible tells you that effeminates are not going to see
the Kingdom. I didn't write it, it was here when I came."
July 1, 1994: Interview with the Baltimore Jewish Times
White Control
"The problem has always been in the past that when we came
up with ideas for our advancement, whites came up with the
financing to bring our ideas to fruition. If there were
certain things whites didn't like, they would be changed
because they had the purse strings."
Message to Jews
"Meyer Lansky was not a nice person. Bugsy Siegel was not a
nice person. But I wouldn't tell those raising money for
Israel not to accept money from this man because he's
involved in illegal [activities.] my point is even if my
ideas are not proper from the Jewish point of view, why
should you tell the members of my own family not to receive
me? That's very arrogant. We, as a family, are trying to
work out solutions to our problem, and I do have something
to offer.
"Hell, if you don't want to give us your money...we'll fund
the NAACP. And we'll work to punish corporations that pull
away their money. After all, we as Muslims have a growing
influence in America, and we've never used it to boycott
one. ..Jewish enterprise. Don't threaten us. Because we can
threaten too."
On Khalid Muhammad
"My desire was to curtail him [Khalid Muhammad] in terms of
expression and language, but never to curtail any truth that
he speaks."
Jews and the Slave Trade
"The reason my research focused on the Jews was that when I
mentioned Jewish involvement, there was an outcry.... One of
the faults we have with Jews is this: you are a very
minuscule part of the population of America, but a very
major part of the influence. What made you do that?... What
do you know that makes you the powerful, influential, and
well-living people that you are? And what don't we know that
makes us the weak, ineffectual, powerless, degraded people
that we are?"
July 26, 1994: Hartford, Connecticut
On Jews and Whites
"I'm not anti-Semitic, not a hater of Jews and whites; it's
not your complexions or your faith that has messed up the
world. It's the way you think."
"They [whites] are sick and their world has made us sick.
I'm not dealing with well people. I'm dealing with sick
people who have made us sick through a corrupt leadership."
"Why do you call white men 'The Man?' Because be has access
to power, he has dominion, and he rules. So he has access to
dominion even though [he's] not fit. Don't think raw
knowledge and power is a trial for those who have it. When
you have the power to deny others of rights...then the power
you have makes you a devil."
"White men have been in control of black and Hispanic men."
"Whites made blacks call them 'massa.' Many whites still
want blacks to call them 'massa.'
"Racism is a sickness. White people you are sick and have
spread your disease to black folk."
"Rape of black women made us lighter so we believe we are
better than our darker brothers. They put hate into us."
A White "Conspiracy"
"We are killing each other because an enemy put us at odds
with each other."
"Because the juice [O.J. Simpson] did it better than anyone
else they made a hero of him, so they could make money off
him.... And now they sic a white woman on him because they
don't want the money to go out of the family."
Economic Threats
"We want you to know white people, we know how to strike you
in the pocketbook."
January 17, 1995: Nation of Islam head quarters in Chicago,
Illinois
Responding to the Indictment of Qubilah Shabazz, Daughter of
Malcolm X
Blaming the U.S. Government
"The...government of the United States...created division
within the Nation of Islam and exploited it, and made the
Nation of Islam and its leadership the number one
organization targeted for destruction. The same forces that
denied Malcolm X protection after his house had been
firebombed as a result of a hostile environment created by
the government, have now exposed Malcolm's daughter Qubilah
to a similarly hostile environment which has likewise been
created by the wicked machinations of the same government."
"The ultimate aim of this government is to destroy Louis
Farrakhan by planting the seeds of public contempt and
hatred toward me through manipulation of the media."
Blaming the New York Post
"It is no coincidence that after I spoke to nearly fifteen
thousand black men early last year in New York City, that
the New York Post hunched a series of attacks on me, which
included numerous and vicious lies which were calculated to
expose me to aversion and hatred among my own people."
February 26, 1995: Saviour's Day Speech in Chicago, Illinois
Farrakhan's "Jewish Conspiracy"
"Well, what had the Founding Fathers learned from the
history of the activities of privately owned banks in
Europe? That history begins with the rise of Meyer Amschel
Rothschild. I want you to just put on your thinking caps.
We're going down now into the valley, and I want all of you
in this audience to walk with me. Meyer Rothschild said that
he did not care who governed so long as he controlled the
purse strings."
Referring to the five sons of Meyer Rothschild: "They worked
and maneuvered and manipulated until they gained control of
the central banks of England, France, Austria, Italy and
Germany. The control of these central banks went into the
hands of individuals whose interests were not necessarily in
harmony with the best interests of that nation."
"Wars were fought. And in order to fight a war, governments
had to borrow money. They borrowed money from these central
banks. The central banks waxed rich because they loaned
money and charged interest, then took over when one side
prevails [sic] against the other, and when governments could
not satisfy the indebtedness, then some of the natural
wealth of that country flowed to the bankers.
They would loan money to both sides in the conflict, 'cause
they really didn't care who won or who lost. I mean it's
hurtful, but a Jew--Rothschild--loaned money to Adolf
Hitler. A Jew. Rothschild. Goddamnit you better not open
your mouth to call me no anti-Semite!
Rothschild and Paul Warburg loaned money. Hitler killed
little Jews while Rothschild and Warburg stayed in the
finest hotels in Europe. But damn it, if you can't call
Rothschild anti-Semitic and Warburg an anti-Semite, then you
don't open your mouth against me."
"In 1913, something happened. Four things were set up in the
year 1913. First, the Federal Reserve Bank, the IRS, the FBI
and the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith. All were set
up in the same year. Is that a coincidence? Or is there a
design?"
"How did we get into World War II? You say Japan attacked
Pearl Harbor. Yes, they did, but what were the forces that
created in Japan the desire or the need to force them to
attack America? You don't know that. But when America went
to war after the attack on Pearl Harbor, she had to borrow
money. There were the international bankers again. They
financed all sides. And how many millions of Americans lost
their lives? Suppose Hitler was trying to destroy the
international bankers controlling Europe, but he went about
it by attacking a whole people. All Jews are not responsible
for the evil of the few who do evil.... But certain Jews
have used Judaism as a shield."
March 19, 1995: Mosque Maryam, Chicago, Illinois
Jews, Whites and the Holocaust
"The international bankers have always wanted what they
called a 'balance of power' in the world.... The Warburgs,
the Rothschilds who financed Hitler. German Jews financed
Hitler right here in America.... International bankers
financed Hitler and poor Jews died while big Jews were at
the root of what you call the Holocaust. Why don't you tell
that one? Go back and tell your editors I want to put this
in the paper tomorrow. You got a hell of a nerve to open
your mouth to call me an and-Semite when your own people
have been the worst and-Semites in the world. "
"Little Jews died while big Jews made money. Little Jews
[were] being turned into soap while big Jews washed
themselves with it. Jews were] playing violin, Jews [were]
playing music, while other Jews [were] marching into the gas
chambers. We wasn't there. We had nothing to do with it. But
why all of a sudden am I anti-Semitic -- tell me!"
"How many of you were involved in the Holocaust, raise your
hand. You see what I mean. We didn't kill one Jew. And if
there were a Holocaust today, damn it, you wouldn't find
most of these harming one hair on the head of a Jewish man,
woman or child. So we were not involved there.... That was
your white brother, Hitler. Aided by your white Jewish
brother. Warburg and Rothschild, Lord Milner and Schiff, and
Lube[phon] and Kuhn. It's your brothers. Hell, if they
killed two million, one million, five million, six million,
we didn't have nothing to do with it. The Pope -- that's
your brother...that was your brother, your white brother. He
looked the other way. But when it came to open...those
camps, those death camps, the first man to open it, was a
black man. Goddammit, how in the hell can you call us anti-
Semitic in the face of your own damn evil to your people?...
I'm angry as hell, and sometimes if I didn't cuss I'd kill."
Farrakhan's Jewish Conspiracy
"The international bankers from the House of
Rothschild...sent their sons into five countries...and
through manipulation and money...they gained control of the
Bank of England, the Bank of France, the Bank of Italy, the
Bank of Austria, and private concerns began to print money
in Europe. The Rothschilds would finance both sides of all
the European wars. They always wanted to get their hands on
the Central Bank of America. And they finally did. On
December 22, 1913, Congress passed into law the Federal
Reserve Act."
"How did the rich make America's debt grow? The easiest way
to get money is to start a war.... The moment the
international bankers took control of the money by taking
control of the Central Bank of America, the Federal Reserve,
a war broke out in Europe and the British sent Lord Weissman
to America to encourage America's involvement in the war.
The Germans didn't start any war with America. Let's deal
with the truth because your government is filled with liars
and thieves and it's time now."
"1917. America gets into the war. At that time, $1 billion
in debt. Now America got [sic] to borrow money to finance
the war effort. Who's she borrowing from? Who's America in
debt to?... After World War I was over...Max, Pelix and Paul
Warburg, all three of them brothers, and Lord [Alfred]
Milner, another financier of Hitler. They met representing
their counties at the Paris Peace Conference.... When they
go to war they...take territory from one, give it to
another...here come the international bankers again,
financing both sides of the conflict."
"The root of communism and the root of capitalism is from
the same group of people. They ['international bankers']
started both philosophies, they financed both philosophies,
and when Russia was strong, they said, now we have a balance
of power. Under Karl Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, financed by
wicked bankers, many of whom were Jews. Now look man, I'm
going to stop right here. This old crap that you use called
anti-Semitism, that's a smokescreen.... Are white people
sacred? You're damn right they're not.... If white people
have done evil to the darker people of the world and
somebody points it out, does that mean I'm anti-white?... If
I point out your evil, all of a sudden I'm a racist. You're
just frightened of truth. You don't mind writing it in your
books, but don't let one of your ex-slaves read your books
and then read you."
"Let me read you something. This is on page 46 of this
little book called None Dare Call It Conspiracy, by [Gary]
Allen, which I'd like to get 10,000 copies of it, have
everybody read it. If it's a lie, I didn't tell it, I'm just
reading now."
"Did you hear my Saviour's Day lecture? Did you hear me
condemn all Jews? [Crowd: "No!"] I condemned the wicked ones
and they would be sometimes even more wicked because they
got revelations.... Right after that, a full page ad in The
New York Times. Taken out by whom? ADL...These are the
watchdogs for the international bankers. They are the
watchdogs for the secret government that manipulates
presidents and Congress.... Almost all of your black
congressmen are honorary citizens, members of the Knesset.
Did you know that? Most senators, black and white, honorary
members of the Knesset."
"The international bankers are waxing rich in this East-West
struggle.... The arms race? Who did it enrich. The
international bankers."
On Jews and the Slave Trade
"How did I get to be an anti-Semite.... What have I done? I
told the truth about Jewish involvement in the slave trade.
Your own writers say the same thing. Well, if they're not
anti-Semitic for writing it, how the hell am I anti-Semitic
for reading what they wrote and then saying it?... I didn't
write your history, you wrote it. And then the sad thing,
when you confront them with what their scholars have said,
they say, 'Well is this part of the old conspiracy talk?'"
On Homosexuals
"You have become swine. You love filth. Homosexuality
growing so, so now you can't even have a slumber party,
because little girls are having sex with little girls and
little boys are having sex with little boys. And it's
alright to you now."
"When I was coming along, if you were a homosexual, you had
to hide it, because that was unacceptable behavior....
Homosexuality has to be looked at. Pastors, you don't want
to talk about it anymore. Why? Because many pastors are
homosexuals.
"The Holy Koran refers to homosexuality as an abomination,
meaning it is so utterly loathsome in the sight of God.... I
hope I ain't hurting no feelings."
Jews and Hollywood
"I want to say to those who are Jews. You want us to take
your own to task. That's why when Farrakhan speaks, you go
to every black leader you can and you say to them, isn't
there something you can say about Farrakhan? W~ 11, I'm
asking you isn't there something you can say about them damn
freaks in Hollywood? Your own kin...that claim to be Jews."
"You want black people to attack me because you say I'm a
racist. But Jews won't lift your voice against your own
brothers who are making themselves wealthy off of the
weakness and the ignorance of the people. Why don't you call
Hugh Hefner into question? Why don't you call David Geffen
into question?... Where is the guts in the Jewish community?
Where is the righteousness in the community that you won't
even condemn your own criminals? Meyer Lansky."
Threatening Jews
"Now there's a new Israel. You may not want to believe it,
but the God that I represent is the same God you read about
in the Old Testament.... The Israel that it's talking about
is the Nation of Islam in the West...l know you're plotting
against us [Jews], but I want to tell you what my God is
poised to do for you.... I want you to look at the national
calamities that our God will bring against his evil nation."
"Master Farad Muhammad...He is the God of Israel...Our God
can't wait for you to make your move.... He dares you to
touch me. Come on, if you want to die.... All of these
wicked ones who have given Judaism a bad name, they are the
members of the synagogue of Satan.... I warn you in the name
of Allah, leave us alone. Your time is just about up."
The following excerpts are from speeches delivered in the
last year by Louis Farrakhan's former national assistant,
Khalid Abdul Muhammad. Portions of an obsessively anti-
Semitic, racist, anti-Catholic and homophobic speech
delivered by Muhammad at New Jersey's Kean College were
published by ADL in January 1994 in a full-page New York
limes advertisement. Exposure of Muhammad's bigotry brought
forth a wave of condemnation from blacks and whites, public
and private. Shortly, thereafter, Louis Farrakhan publicly
dismissed Khalid Muhammad from his position in the Nation of
Islam, but allowed him to remain a member of the group.
Since that time, Muhammad has not backed down. Instead, he
has repeatedly reaffirmed his belief in the "truth" of his
poisonous Kean College message, and has sharpened his
attacks on peoples of all color and creed. The crude,
unrestrained remarks that follow make this clear.
March 23, 1994: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Threats to Whites and Jews
"To the whites and 'white Jews' in the audience, I say: It's
gonna be a rough ride, buddy.... Buckle your seat
belts...because I didn't come to pin the tail on the donkey,
I came to pin the tail on the honkey."
"I'm going to go buck wild on you...like a pit bull on your
Jew backside."
"Don't hide tonight, rabbi. Come up front and we'll run your
raggedy behind out of here with the truth."
"Bring me your rabbis and I'll strip your butts naked. "
March 29, 1994: Friendship Baptist Church, Brooklyn, New
York
politicians in the Black Community
"When it's time to speak out these negroes don't speak out.
When the rugged Rabbi Dr. Goldberg or Goldstein or Gold
something went into the mosque and killed them in cold blood
and they're fleeing the mosque, the no-good so-called
Israeli soldiers opened fire on them and mowed them down in
the street. An old raggedy rabbi said at the eulogy that all
of the Arabs mixed together are not worth one fingernail of
one Jew. Where was Reverend Jackson? Where was Kweisi Mfume?
Where were the negroes from the NAACP? Where were these boot-
licking negroes?"
"Kill our baby here in Crown Heights and then the old no
good damn Jew goes to Israel. No cry of moral outrage. If
one of us had done that Jesse Jackson would have been the
first to repudiate and all the negroes would have jumped on
his bandwagon."
Questioning the Holocaust
"Tell us you lost six million. Historians, scholars,
scientist, they went to some of the death camps...it wasn't
six million, it wasn't five million, it wasn't four million,
it wasn't even three million.... Some of them say we'd be
hard-pressed to get one and a half million."
"Everybody talks about what Hitler did to you. What did you
do to Hitler?...What made that man so mad at you?"
Reports on the six million Jews killed by Nazis were
"bloated, exaggerated, probably fabricated."
Claims of Jewish Control
"You wonder why I call it Jew-nited Nations...Jew York
City...Jew-niversity. Because you control it."
Threats of Violence
"I want to be one of the flame-throwers of God, break white
folks' backs. I want to give you hell all the way to your
graves. I ain't scared to die and I'm ready to kill."
April 1, 1994: Fort Worth, Texas
Addressing Jews
"Our holocaust is much worse.... We're still in our ghettos.
The Jews are out from under Hitler's yoke. We're still
here."
"I don't know all Jews. If you can introduce me to some good
Jews and find a good Jew that is not a bloodsucker, I would
be happy to meet them."
"Why don't you understand us Jew? Because you don't want to
understand us. We are the chosen people of God."
Threats of Violence
To protesters outside: "You're lucky you just got words out
of me and I didn't give you the bum's rush and black-boot
stomp the hell out of you."
On Whites
Throughout the speech, Muhammad referred to whites as
"devils."
April 19, 1994: Howard University, Washington, D.C.
Comparative Suffering, Trivializing the Holocaust
"You [Jews] talk about the death marches. What about the
death marches in Africa? You said that by the summer [of
1937] there were over 400 ghettos. We, the sons and
daughters of Africa, are still in the ghettos."
"We set forth here tonight that the black holocaust was 100
times worse than the so-called Jew Holocaust."
"You say you lost six million. We question that. But for the
sake of argument we'll give you that. We lost 600 million."
"`Schindler's List' is really a 'Swindler's List'"
"You make me sick--always got some old, crinkly, wrinkled
cracker that you bring up, saying 'this is one of the
Holocaust victims.' God damn it! I'm looking at a whole
audience of Holocaust victims."
"The Holocaust lasted 10 years; ours lasted 500. How can you
compare, buddy? You are so arrogant."
On Whites and Jews
"I am going to be like a pit bull. That is the way I'm going
to be against the Jews. I am going to bite the tail of the
honkies."
"I love Colin Ferguson, who killed all those white folks on
the Long Island train. God spoke to Colin Ferguson and said,
'catch the train, Colin, catch the train.'"
May 3, 1994: Harlem, New York
On the Pope
"The Pope is not the vicar of Christ. The Pope is a
representative of the Anti-Christ."
May 12, 1994: NBC's "Donahue"
On Whites
"There is a little bit of Hitler in all white people."
May 13, 1994: Oakland, California
On Black Politicians
"We don't want no butt-licking, butt-poking negro
politicians with a slavery mentality."
On Whites
"The problem in Oakland isn't with the crack, but with the
cracker."
"White folks, we're in serious trouble. You've got nowhere
to hide. I'm gonna be as a pit bull dog and lock my jaws on
your backside and only Louis Farrakhan has the keys to
unlock it."
On Homosexuals
"Those brothers who don't got a white girl on their elbow,
got a white boy. We got some Ex-Lax to get it of your
system."
"I hate a black man who acts like a white man. But what's
worse than that is a black man who acts like a black woman."
Denigrating the Holocaust
"Your Holocaust is indeed the worst holocaust ever filmed.
You say you lost 6 million. We lost over 600 million over
the past 6,000 years. Ours is one hundred times greater.
They want a special corner on suffering even."
"Jews have gotten over $100 billion in reparations, but you
won't apologize.... You make me sick talking about Holocaust
survivors."
On South Africa
"Mandela sold us out.... Mandela's the biggest clown in the
big top.... I say give 'em [whites] 24 hours to get out of
town. If they don't, kill everyone white in sight. Kill the
men, kill the women, kill the children, kill the blind, kill
the crippled. God damn it, kill them all."
May 22, 1994: Dorchester, Massachusetts
On Whites
"The white man has his Armistice Day, Memorial Day, Armed
Forces Day. The white man honors the killers--General
Eisenhower, Patton, Westmoreland.... But when the oppressed
stand up there is a cry of moral outrage."
On South Africa = Jews
"So called Jews are sucking our blood in South Africa. There
is no real freedom in South Africa. The white man
controls.... We owe the white man nothing in South Africa.
All is ours. South Africa is devil-ruled, demon-controlled."
May 29, 1994: Riverside, California
Addressing Jews
"I don't give a damn what you say about me, you bagel-
eating, hook-nose, lox-eating so called Jew." "The so-
called Jew is Jew-wish--he wishes he was a Jew.... You wanna-
be Jews, we're gonna strip you buck naked before the world.
There's no place for you to hide. You lied for too long
telling that you are the chosen people."
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"Everywhere I go I wanna give the white man hell from the
cradle to the grave. This is a new generation of blacks and
we say to you, white man, you either stop or drop."
"Brothers, don't let this no good cracker tell you about
Aristotle, Plato, Socrates; the white man has a frequent
liar program."
"You can't out-devil the devil. The white man's nature is to
lie and steal. You have to beat the white man in
righteousness. You can't beat him in evil and wickedness."
June 29, 1994: Emanual Evangelistic Temple, Milwaukee
Referring to O.J. Simpson: "Our brother over a period of
time, to some degree, strayed away from the family. He left
his black wife and decided to live a life sleeping with the
enemy."
November 1, 1994: State University College, Rochester, New
York
On Whites
"How could all 13 men at the Last Supper be white? If we
were at the Last Supper, we must have been in the kitchen."
"I ask white people to reason with us. The nerve of you to
call me a bigot, a racist, or an anti-Semite. By the end of
the night we'll see who the real racists are."
November 7, 1994: New York University
On Jews and Arabs
"Who is it that is sucking our blood in the black community-
-the so called Arab and the so-called Jew."
On Reparations
"We lost over 600 million over the lost 6,000 years in
general, and in specific, 150 million in the last 400 years
coming over in slave ships. But nobody wants to pay
reparations for pain and t suffering...everyone gets
reparations but the black man and woman."
[You Jews] have a Holocaust Museum that costs over 200
million to build. [You] got four billion dollars
from America and you have billions more for reparations. But
[the] sons and daughters of Africa don't even get."
On Jews, Whites and South Africa
Referring to the relationship between Israel and South
Africa, "Not one Jew would like it if an African country had
a relationship with Nazi Germany."
Referring to whites in South Africa: "I am talking about
self-defense.... I am giving them [whites] a chance to
leave, but if they don't leave, we should go to war with
them. This is a war and in any war there is bloodshed."
November 16, 1994: Bethel AME Church, New Haven, Connecticut
On the Holocaust
"The Jews were never in bondage. Yet the Jews want to corner
the term. The Jews think they were the only ones who
suffered. The Jews never suffered. Jews never even lost
their names." "So how many were there? You can't even agree
on how many. Was it six million? Five million? Two million.
We'll even give you seven million. We lost 600 million men,
and you [Jews] want to have a Holocaust?"
On Jews
"[Jews] say they are the descendants of Abraham. Everyone is
a descendent of Abraham. Besides, if you were Abraham's
descendants, you would do his work, but you don't. Jews
polluted everything."
On Christmas
"The true meaning of Christmas is heathen, vain, ignorant,
backward, white pagan worship and idolatry."
February 21, 1995: Interview with the Daily Challenge, New
York City black daily
On His Kean College Speech and its Aftermath
"The Honorable Minister Farrakhan said he found my words
spoken at Kean College 'vile in manner, repugnant,
malicious, mean-spirited, spoken in mockery of individuals
and not in the spirit of Islam'.... I think the context of
my comments need to be put in perspective. The topic I spoke
on, The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, was
chosen by the students. The human side of me said I did what
I was supposed to do and, so, I have no apologies. And, if I
had the opportunity under the same circumstances, I would do
the same thing again."
"President [Bill] Clinton, Vice President [Al] Gore, the
U.S. Senate and the United States House of Representatives,
in a history-making decision, passed a House Resolution
condemning my speech. There are some Negroes--not blacks--
who would have probably committed suicide. But to me, it is
a great honor for the enemy and our oppressors to attack me
all the way from their high offices and the corridors of
their power elite. That's the way I want to be remembered by
my children...as one the enemy did not praise and did not
love but had nightmares about."
The following are excerpts from the Nation of Islam's bi-
weekly publication, The Final Call. The paper often
promulgates anti-white and anti-Jewish conspiracy theories,
many of which are, ironically, co-opted from the rhetoric of
white supremacists.
Columnist Abdul Allah Muhammad, in his column, "Eleven Fifty
Five, " March 30, 1994:
"The vicious attack being mounted against us [NOI] is the
result of the realization by a wicked Jewish cabal which
seeks to solidify its world rule, that not only are they
unable to make Minister Farrakhan and his followers dance to
their tune, but the Black leaders they once controlled are
slipping from their grasp."
James Muhammad, Final Call editor, in his column, "Up
Periscope," January 25, 1995:
"Mossad and the ADL are kissing cousins who are only out for
their selfish personal interests and do not care about the
welfare of United States citizens."
James Muhammad, March 30, 1994:
"If it weren't for the Jews and their control and
manipulation of the media, a good man's message of uplift to
Black and oppressed people would be free of the false
charges of anti-Semitism and hate. I'm referring to Minister
Louis Farrakhan and his message."
Abdul Allah Muhammad, April 13, 1994:
"It is the height of duplicity for Jews to deny to the
general public that they control every institution which
affects life in America, while bragging to each other that
the 'conspiracy theories' are not theories at all, but that
the conspiracy is an absolute fact."
"I hope nobody wastes my time and effort to try to tell me
that there are some 'good Jews.' The law of averages says
there probably are. God even managed to get three people out
of Sodom. "
Reporter Cedric X Welch, April 27, 1994:
"[Jews] have dominated the original people of the planet
earth and are planning to unite the the world under one
currency and one world order."
"The activities of the Masons were controlled by a certain
secret society comprised of Jewish members and these Jews
were the instigators of the periodic revolutions that threw
the world into convulsions."
Reporter Jerome Jackson, May 25, 1994:
"The political rise of Nelson Mandela is a smokescreen for
the economic rape committed by Jewish financial powers well-
entrenched in South Africa.
James Muhammad, November 16, 1994:
"The fact that white people once lived on the level of
beasts underscores their humble beginning. As they
were blessed to advance to now dominate the peoples of the
planet, however, they've lost their humility."
The Rhetoric of Farrakhan's Other Representatives:
Leonard Farrakhan Muhammad, Nation of Islam Chief of Staff
At an April 1994 press conference held after NOI filed a
suit against the New York Post
for S4.4 billion:
"We are making a legal response to the Jewish controlled
media and those reporters that we believe have unfairly,
inappropriately and illegally associated the name of
Minister Louis Farrakhan with the death of Malcolm X."
January 23, 1995, reacting to Senator Bob Dole's demand that
HUD investigate
NOI Security's housing contracts:
"I don't care if people call me paranoid but I see a well-
orchestrated pattern of attack on the Nation of Islam."
Conrad Muhammad, Minister of New York's Mosque No. 7
April 19, 1994 at Boston University:
On Jewish Organizations
"It is the Jewish leadership--those like Abraham Foxman and
others--who actually are not representing the best interests
of the Jewish community, because they're squandering time
and resources focusing on phantom anti-Semitism in the black
community, leaving the flanks of the Jewish community
exposed to true anti-Semitism that exists in this society."
"I don't think that the American media is creating this
controversy [between blacks and Jews].... It is
organizations like the ADL and others that prevail upon the
media to keep this thing going."
In an interview with New York magazine October 24, 1994:
Alleging Jewish Control
"The thing about the Jews is, you have great intellectual
talents and you are very skilled at grafting yourself onto
natural talent, but you don't have a lot of it yourself....
Look at the way the Jews exploit all of our singers and
athletes."
Abdul Alim Muhammad, Nation of Islam Health Minister
February 24, 1994 at University of Wisconsin-Madison:
On Whites
"All of you whites don't have nothing to fear from AIDS. If
AIDS kills the niggers, well you whites would
think that was pretty good."
"Seventy percent of black high school students in Washington
drop out. Of the black students that do graduate, 60 percent
are functionally illiterate...that is the [educational]
policy that they whites] use to keep you ignorant. So they
can use you for their tool."
"Caucasian means a pale face and weak bones. They [whites]
are divinely given power to rule for now. But what drives
them is death. And that's what's going to happen to everyone
on earth. Their rule is the power to kill."
"Why would you kill, white race? It is to preserve your
whiteness. We didn't invent segregation, did we?... We
didn't invent apartheid. These are systems to keep white
people apart from black people. "
"[Whites] kill men, women and children all over the earth,
reducing the world population down by approximately a
billion people.... Because you come out of Europe and start
slaughtering the original inhabitants of that land...you
European people. You converted to Judaism a little over
1,200 years ago, and NOW you're masquerading as though you
are the original Jews.... How could you be a chosen people;
you just ordinary white folk.
The "AIDS Plot"
Muhammad also said there is "enough evidence" that AIDS is a
man-made disease being used by the U.S.
government against blacks.
Harold Muhammad, Minister of New Orleans Mosque
Interview with the Times Picayune April 11, 1994:
On Jews
"Jews claim that they're the chosen people of God.... We've
scanned the globe; we can't find any other people who fit
the biblical description of God's chosen people other than
us. So therefore there's some lying going on, and Minister
Farrakhan challenges that as a man of God. And it angers the
Jewish community that someone would have the audacity to
challenge their claim to being God's chosen people, which
has been historically unchallenged before."
Interview with the Louisiana Weekly, May 7, 1994:
"Jews use us as cannon fodder. I'm going to say the
truth...Lets look at the Jewish/Black |relationship. They
are the landlords, we are the tenants. We're the artists, we
are the talent when you look into the sports arena. They are
the managers, the owners. We access them as bankers,
lawyers, CPAs--they control our talents.... They control the
media.... We're not vocal, we need ; to be vocal. The Jews
make up six percent of the population in this country. They
are much more vocal than we are." l
Eric Muhammad, leader of the Brooklyn-based
Black African Holocaust Council, and member of NOI
Interview with the Daily Challenge, December 12, 1994:
Comparative Suffering
"We [the Council] represent the disenfranchised and the
downtrodden because we believe that no has truly had a
Holocaust but us. No one has suffered as much; no one has
been robbed of name, language, God, religion and culture as
us. They [the Jews] use the word Holocaust because it's
profitable to them but it is not real."
On Whites
"I am a black separatist. I firmly believe that it's
impossible for black and white to co-exist peacefully. It's
not in the nature of white people."
DOD Muhammad, Minister of Boston Mosque
On an October 1994 segment of his weekly radio program:
The Hamitic Myth
"There is hardly anyone in this listening audience who
doesn't know that the connection of slavery and blacks being
suited for slavery because they were inferior is tied to the
Hamitic myth of blacks. And it was the Rabbis who had
created the Hamitic myth of blacks being inferior."
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Motti
>If you saw the million man march on t.v. you'd know that Farrakhan's message
>was one of hope, atonement, and uplift.
first: sorry my followup is likely to go to all the irrelevant newsgroups;
but i am unable to figure out how to make nn delete a lot of these
newsgroups without starting a different thread.
second: i too am gratified to hear that Farrakhan gave a nice speech at
the million man march... however i have listened to many hours of
his other speeches (on videos distributed by NOI) and am sad to report
that he isn't always such a nice guy. I find much of what he says
to be race-baiting insinuations peppered by occassionally explicit
racial incitment (just to be sure no one misses that side of his
message). I have no idea if he has "changed" or "reformed"; but i
think it good to look a bit further into his speeches and continue to
be circumspect.
mordechai steve seidman _ __ ____ __ ,__
sr...@crux3.cit.cornell.edu | | | | | |
__| | | | _|
Motti
>..I am more of an old school muslim raised under the
>teachings of Elijah Muhammed and his son Wareeth D.
(finally, i managed to fix the spamming and followup to a small list
of relevant newsgroups)
well, from reading (only) i got the impression that Farrakhan is
following more in the footsteps of Elijah Mohammed in regards to
race-baiting, and that Wareeth D (and also Malcolm X) were the ones
who deviated and tried to moderate the race-baiting and also integrete
into mainstream Islam. (ps: i don't mean to imply that Wareeth D and
Malcolm X were doing the same thing, that a slight parallel in this
one aspect)
correct me if i got the wrong impression. i gather this from
Malcolm X's autobio, and that early book by Lincoln, and also
the bio by Mr. Perry.
Alexandre Khalil
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alex
In article <4cqh0s$9...@caesar.ultra.net>,
Bill Mesrobian <bil...@later.ma.ultranet.com> wrote:
>sr...@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Motti) wrote:
>>us...@company.com (Kashmir) writes:
>>
>>>If you saw the million man march on t.v. you'd know that Farrakhan's message
>>>was one of hope, atonement, and uplift.
>>
>>
>>i too am gratified to hear that Farrakhan gave a nice speech at
>>the million man march... however i have listened to many hours of
>>his other speeches (on videos distributed by NOI) and am sad to report
>>that he isn't always such a nice guy. I find much of what he says
>>to be race-baiting insinuations peppered by occassionally explicit
>>racial incitment (just to be sure no one misses that side of his
>>message). I have no idea if he has "changed" or "reformed"; but i
>>think it good to look a bit further into his speeches and continue to
>>be circumspect.
>>
>>
>Farrakhan has not changed his message. For example, he has been in
>Boston twice in 1995 and both times, his words and his behavior were
>calculated to increase racial hatreds and dishonor women of all races.
>For example, in one visit he used a public facility to closet black men
>and exclude all women from the building. He did this without any warning
>or explanation. At the least, his behavior is arbitrary and dictatorial.
Kevin Davis
>us...@company.com (Kashmir) writes:
>>If you saw the million man march on t.v. you'd know that Farrakhan's message
>>was one of hope, atonement, and uplift.
>first: sorry my followup is likely to go to all the irrelevant newsgroups;
>but i am unable to figure out how to make nn delete a lot of these
>newsgroups without starting a different thread.
>second: i too am gratified to hear that Farrakhan gave a nice speech at
>the million man march... however i have listened to many hours of
>his other speeches (on videos distributed by NOI) and am sad to report
>that he isn't always such a nice guy. I find much of what he says
>to be race-baiting insinuations peppered by occassionally explicit
>racial incitment (just to be sure no one misses that side of his
>message). I have no idea if he has "changed" or "reformed"; but i
>think it good to look a bit further into his speeches and continue to
>be circumspect.
Gee, do you think that since the whole nation was watching and not
just his sheep had anything to do with it? I wouldn't put past it for
his idea of the "Million Man March" was to engage in damage control
for him being highly exposed in the press on the hate speech he
engages in on a regular basis to his followers.
Of course he couldn't help himself in proving that he is a paranoid
whacko by his acccusations about the inaccuracies of the body count by
the park police...
[several newsgroups deleted including the ones like
soc.culture.african whose readers complain about the thread even
though it is painfully obvious to even the most casual observer that
it *is* relevant to that topic. I guess they are uncomfortable with
the truth]
Bill Mesrobian
>us...@company.com (Kashmir) writes:
>
>>If you saw the million man march on t.v. you'd know that Farrakhan's message
>>was one of hope, atonement, and uplift.
>
>
>the million man march... however i have listened to many hours of
>his other speeches (on videos distributed by NOI) and am sad to report
>that he isn't always such a nice guy. I find much of what he says
>to be race-baiting insinuations peppered by occassionally explicit
>racial incitment (just to be sure no one misses that side of his
>message). I have no idea if he has "changed" or "reformed"; but i
>think it good to look a bit further into his speeches and continue to
>be circumspect.
>
>
#hyeguy
else continues ,why has not Farrakan the right to accuse his detractors
of using isolated incidents of bad judgement in his speech to really
put forth your agenda of keeping blacks down? What possible motive could
have so many people give so much time and effort to denounce one speech
by one man?Did the old line leaders of Israel not blow up british
soldiers and call it freedom fighting? Farrakan did not denounce the
entire race of jewish people he was making a point about the jewish shop
keepers who made money in black neighborhoods,and took the money to the
suburbs to spend!But at the same time he denounces his own black
brothers for their vulgar speech,the dirty run down nature of their
neighborhoods,the inability to discipline themselves and the disregard
men have for the children they have by women they disrespect! Ok he
stereotyped jewish people ,just like you guys have stereo typed him for
so long now ,enough is enough.Your cause is no less valid than his ,so
dont look in the mirror you might see a white Farrakan staring back at
you!!!! The horse is dead stop beating it or you might look and sound
more foolish than you wish!
Joel Rosenberg
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>If the effort to publicly chastise everyone who speaks poorly of anyone
>else continues ,why has not Farrakan the right to accuse his detractors
>of using isolated incidents of bad judgement
Was it only "bad judgment"? Isn't it better described as a repeated and
repeating record of overt bigotry?
> in his speech to really
>put forth your agenda of keeping blacks down?
Are you suggesting that whenever anybody criticizes a well-known, very public,
demagogue who is a member of some ethnic group, that is merely an attempt to
"keep down" that group? Really?
> What possible motive could
>have so many people give so much time and effort to denounce one speech
>by one man?
Do you think that only one speech by Farky has been denounced? Look at the
ADL report, please.
Or simply put your head back in . . . the sand.
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I marvel at the resilience of the Jewish people.
Their best characteristic is their desire to remember.
No other people has such an obsession with memory.
-- Elie Wiesel
#hyeguy
you that controled by females that you search for percieved slights
in order to put forth womens (lesbos)complaints? If the Idea that women
can be distracting to some men is not old hat to you then come out into
the real world and get a life! And of course it isnt the womens fault
that this is so ,but what matter is that he feels it is more important
to staighten out the men as they are the ones missing from the home!
Black women have been the man and woman to the children and are much
more responsible to a family unit .He has said many times women are the
center of the family that the man and children must remain with.The idea
and tripe of this whole thread on farrakan shows me that you jerks do
not have anything else you can do,like read a book,or even meet some
people face to face!!! what morons to put down the one man that has the
courage to tell the black man what whites have been saying behind their
backs for years.You should be praising the man for his purpose and goals
Hyeguy
Michael R Swihart
Kevin Davis <kda...@digital.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Michael R Swihart wrote:
>> In article <4cpv7c$i...@ddi2.digital.net> you write:
>> >sr...@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Motti) wrote:
>> >[several newsgroups deleted including the ones like
>> >soc.culture.african whose readers complain about the thread even
>> >though it is painfully obvious to even the most casual observer that
>> >it *is* relevant to that topic. I guess they are uncomfortable with
>> >the truth]
>>
>>
>> M.Swihart
>
>Well, let's see. African Americans by their own moniker are wishing to
>some significant extent to identify with African culture. African
>heritage is starting to become a demanded cirriculum in American
>schools. Farrakhan seems to think of himself something of an astounding
>historian (and mathemetician) concerning the blacks in America which
>includes events dating back at least and probably predating slavery which
>undisputably was a part of African society at the time. Are you saying
>that the black slavery that America participated in is irrelevant to
>soc.culture.african? That's like saying the subject of Nazi Germany is
>irrelevant to American Jews today.
I was not saying anything. I was asking a question, hence the "?".
I was wondering because I have seen people post to request that the thread
be removed from soc.culture.african. I presumed that the people asking
were people that were reading soc.culture.african.
I figured that if people on soc.culture.african considered it off-topic,
then a prima facia case can be that it is off-topic. Since the thread
was about a person in the USA, it did not seem silly to think that people
outside the USA might consider it an internal matter and thus not
be interested.
It other words it was not "painfully obvious" to me that it was relevant.
_That_ is why I asked.
I was not making a statement or trying to imply anything.
M.Swihart
Kevin Davis
Kevin Davis
>I was wondering because I have seen people post to request that the thread
>be removed from soc.culture.african. I presumed that the people asking
>were people that were reading soc.culture.african.
Some of them were, hence my comment.
>I figured that if people on soc.culture.african considered it off-topic,
>then a prima facia case can be that it is off-topic. Since the thread
>was about a person in the USA, it did not seem silly to think that people
>outside the USA might consider it an internal matter and thus not
>be interested.
Just because they feel it is off topic does not make it so. For
instance if I participate in a MS-Windows newsgroup and say mention
something related to Windows but could be taken negatively, it still
would not neccessarily be off topic. Of course there is nothing in
stopping the other participants in claiming it would be. I'm not sure
whether the soc.culture.african newsgroup is moderated or not.
Probably not. Lack of a moderator basically allows a wide open
discussion of any topic realated to the newsgroup subject. The topic
merely has to have some relationship to the newsgroup subject. Also
the fact that someone is living in the US does not inherently make the
issue off topic in that newsgroup. Especially when he often rants and
raves about the slavery thing.
As a matter of example, I know that some people from other newsgroups
complained about it being off topic. I'm not positive but I thought
that one of them was from the alt.religion.islam group. It could of
been a email message to me and not a post. If this topic is not
relevant to islam, I don't know what is.
I could be all wrong on this and it could very well be off-topic in
the context of the soc.culture.african newsgroup I guess I'll do some
lurking for awhile before I say anything else on this issue.
>I was not making a statement or trying to imply anything.
OK, well I'll have to back off my original statement a bit until I
find out what types of threads go on in that newsgroup.
sync
Jody Eisenman
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Pastor Griffin (jame...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: >
: >
: >>If the effort to publicly chastise everyone who speaks poorly of
: anyone
: >>else continues ,why has not Farrakan the right to accuse his
: detractors
: >>of using isolated incidents of bad judgement
: >
: >Was it only "bad judgment"? Isn't it better described as a repeated
: and
: >repeating record of overt bigotry?
: >
: >> in his speech to really
: >>put forth your agenda of keeping blacks down?
: >
: >Are you suggesting that whenever anybody criticizes a well-known, very
: public,
: >demagogue who is a member of some ethnic group, that is merely an
: attempt to
: >"keep down" that group? Really?
: >
: >> What possible motive could
: >>have so many people give so much time and effort to denounce one
: speech
: >>by one man?
: >
: >Do you think that only one speech by Farky has been denounced? Look
: at the
: >ADL report, please.
: >
: >Or simply put your head back in . . . the sand.
: >----------------------------------------------------------------------
: -----------------------------------------------
: >Joel Rosenberg | jo...@winternet.com |
: http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
: >----------------------------------------------------------------------
: ------------------------------------------------
: >I marvel at the resilience of the Jewish people.
: >Their best characteristic is their desire to remember.
: >No other people has such an obsession with memory.
: > -- Elie Wiesel
: Yes, and do they remember all the Christians they killed in
: Russia, Spain, Hungary, Mexico, etc.?.....25 million, if I remember
: correctly.
: God said in Matthew 23:35 "That upon you may come
: all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of
: righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom
: ye slew between the temple and the altar."
: ....the Jews should apologize to the world for all the murders
: they've done, and for all the hated they have perpetuated,not only from
: the Black Muslims, but from all of Christendom......for Christ is their
: true enemy.
: Hail Jesus' Victory,
: Pastor Griffin
What are you the pastor of? The church of the KKK?
Joel Rosenberg
>Pastor Griffin (jame...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
[snip]
>What are you the pastor of? The church of the KKK?
Well, he actually is.
The "pastor" is one of those backseat-ordained "ministers" of the lunatic
"Christian Identity" (they're the folks who believe that when the Jews left
Egypt, they moved to Iowa. I'm not kidding) cult, which is basically just a
pseudo-religious arm of the KKK.
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jamilla
Pastor Griffin
http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
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>Their best characteristic is their desire to remember.
>No other people has such an obsession with memory.
> -- Elie Wiesel
Yes, and do they remember all the Christians they killed in
Michael R. Hicks
Rosenberg) wrote:
> In article <4d6jq6$6...@uucp.intac.com> ice...@intac.com (Jody Eisenman)
writes:
>
>
> >Pastor Griffin (jame...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> [snip]
>
> >What are you the pastor of? The church of the KKK?
>
> Well, he actually is.
>
> The "pastor" is one of those backseat-ordained "ministers" of the lunatic
> "Christian Identity" (they're the folks who believe that when the Jews left
> Egypt, they moved to Iowa. I'm not kidding) cult, which is basically just a
> pseudo-religious arm of the KKK.
>
>
>
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> Joel Rosenberg | jo...@winternet.com | http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>
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> I marvel at the resilience of the Jewish people.
> Their best characteristic is their desire to remember.
> No other people has such an obsession with memory.
> -- Elie Wiesel
For once, I agree here w/you Joel, there's no place for that here...
That *IS* anti-Semitic... I'm not going to get off on blaming Jewish
people (I HATE 'Jews', it can border sounding like an epithet) for
the world's problems...
--
Michael R. Hicks - Louisville, KY
a "new jack scholar"
Michael R. Hicks
afr...@iglou.com (Michael R. Hicks) wrote:
(deletia)
> For once, I agree here w/you Joel, there's no place for that here...
> That *IS* anti-Semitic... I'm not going to get off on blaming Jewish
> people (I HATE 'Jews', it can border sounding like an epithet) for
> the world's problems...
I just wanted to make it CRYSTAL CLEAR- that I hate the term 'Jews',
I'm not speaking about people 'Jews'...
That is said to avoid falling in the pits of a flame hell w/
gasoline drawz....
Syed Mehdi
of Pakistan rather than talking rubbish.
Mariasingham M Joseph
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: of Pakistan rather than talking rubbish.
Yeah!!!Yeah!!!!
with an image as bad it is .....yeah you should try hard ....very hard.....
Wizard of id
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>Pastor Griffin (jame...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: >
>: >
>: >>If the effort to publicly chastise everyone who speaks poorly of
>: anyone
>: >>else continues ,why has not Farrakan the right to accuse his
>: detractors
>: >>of using isolated incidents of bad judgement
>: >
>: >Was it only "bad judgment"? Isn't it better described as a repeated
>: and
>: >repeating record of overt bigotry?
>: >
>: >> in his speech to really
>: >>put forth your agenda of keeping blacks down?
>: >
>: >Are you suggesting that whenever anybody criticizes a well-known, very
>: public,
>: >demagogue who is a member of some ethnic group, that is merely an
>: attempt to
>: >"keep down" that group? Really?
>: >
>: >> What possible motive could
>: >>have so many people give so much time and effort to denounce one
>: speech
>: >>by one man?
>: >
>: >Do you think that only one speech by Farky has been denounced? Look
>: at the
>: >ADL report, please.
>: >
>: >Or simply put your head back in . . . the sand.
>: >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>: -----------------------------------------------
>: >Joel Rosenberg | jo...@winternet.com |
>: http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>: >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>: ------------------------------------------------
>: >I marvel at the resilience of the Jewish people.
>: >Their best characteristic is their desire to remember.
>: >No other people has such an obsession with memory.
>: > -- Elie Wiesel
>: Yes, and do they remember all the Christians they killed in
>: Russia, Spain, Hungary, Mexico, etc.?.....25 million, if I remember
>: correctly.
>: God said in Matthew 23:35 "That upon you may come
>: all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of
>: righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom
>: ye slew between the temple and the altar."
>: ....the Jews should apologize to the world for all the murders
>: they've done, and for all the hated they have perpetuated,not only from
>: the Black Muslims, but from all of Christendom......for Christ is their
>: true enemy.
>: Hail Jesus' Victory,
>: Pastor Griffin
>What are you the pastor of? The church of the KKK?
What you maybe reading is from a member of the identity church.
The church of preference for Racist, bigotted, scum bags.
schiers@netins.net@netins.net
>we applaud the efforts of all who strive for human dignity and enlightenment.
>to lead one's people from darkness into light cannot be
>accomplished by blinding them with bigotry and racism. mr. farrakhan's
>tactic of portraying the jews as enemies of the african americans is the
>same story used by other demonic leaders of the past to galvanize and
>unify on the backs of unfortunate minorities. we recognize
>the evil. for us to turn a blind eye to this evil is impossible.
>
> enlightenment is
>not just the goal, it is the way. crawling in the gutter of hatred leads
>one to the sewers of despair.
>good luck, peace and understanding to all in 1996.
>
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> ti...@shore.net
>
>
>
>
>In article <4c554b$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
>Afghanaria <afgha...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Please have some respect for a man who is trying to lead his people out of
>>mesery, poverty and humiliation.
>> Thanks
>
>
One does not lead anyone anywhere worth going by practicing bigotry and
racism. I find it appalling that any muslim could listen to this man speak
and not be embarassed. I have listened to the man for hours at a time on
C-SPAN, and he is not like any muslim I have ever associated with, whether
native or convert. Research this man's history. Read what he said earlier.
Is Elijah Muhammad still a prophet? Are white men devils?
Surely, there can be no muslim apologists for this kind of heresy.
as salaamu alaikum,
hasan al-basri
Ihab Khalil
need this crap...get lost!
The Hab
sch...@netins.net@netins.net wrote:
:
:
D.C.I.
It is very apparent that many people who
are commenting on Farrakhan still don't
understand what it really going on.
DCI
Baltimore Expat
So tell me, tell me, I just got to know. Hatred from any
quarters is not an understanding of "what is really going
on" my friend. If you don't get it, DCI, you don't get it.
Baltimore Expat
Stafford, VA
Jason Silverman
wnab...@ix.netcom.com(Wendy Sue Nabulsi) wrote:
> Recently, I listen to Farrakhan Message on CSPAN, I found his message
> was logical and correct.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You're killin' me! Heeheeeheeeheeeeee!!
> In one intance, he challanged the Congress to
> register also as a foriegn agent of the Zionist govenment. Many
> Senators and Congress are honorary member of Israeli Knesset and a paid
> agent of APAC the Israel long arm agent. What so hatered about
> Farrakhan?
Because he is a liar and he has duped you. You should hate him most of all.
> Does everyone has to see Israel the way that Congress see
> it. The Congress and Senators are a sell out to the American public.
So elect Farrakhan the Charlatan, if you want someone who will *really*
sell you out.
> Now we have the President of this great country is bowing to his master
> in The Zionist govenment.
Of course, no "discussion" of Farrakhan's "ideas" is complete without the
requisite, programmed, parrotted anti-Semitic intimation. Thanks for
squeezing that in there, o duped one!
Well, it seems that Farrakhan has succeeded in his plan to exploit and
manipulate his own people for his gain. This is what the Million Man
March was about, and this is what his latest cry-baby tactics are about.
Fooling millions of people who don't know better into making him look good
in front of those who are not in his thrall.
You are now officially a cog in a machine. Congratulations!
Jason Silverman
rab...@ix.netcom.com(Ala S Rabady) wrote:
> In <jsilver-1703...@lsdialb11.it.luc.edu>
> jsi...@orion.it.luc.edu (Jason Silverman) writes:
> >Of course, no "discussion" of Farrakhan's "ideas" is complete without
> the requisite, programmed, parrotted anti-Semitic intimation. Thanks
> for squeezing that in there, o duped one!
>
>
> Wait a second. Isn't it possible for anyone to respectfully disagree
> with an Israeli or Zionist policy without being branded as a racist,
> anti-semite, etc?
>
> Instead of the name calling, let's talk issues. It seems that some
> love to throw around the term "anti-semite" in order to quash debate
> and to let the zionists do whatever they want unquestioned.
I agree with you completely. Believe me, I am the last person to casually
throw about the term anti-Semite, and I am not a Zionist. I do think that
the cavalier usage of the term to squash debate, as you put it (and I
think you're right on about that), is unproductive on many fronts. But
Farrakhan is one of the few people who I believe has earned the label of
anti-Semite. Debate with him and his followers cannot possibly be
productive. And I *DO* think that dialogue is possible between
responsible muslims and responsible jews/israelis. I *do not* think that
Farrakhan is representative of Islam, however.
--Jason
Joel Rosenberg
>Wait a second. Isn't it possible for anyone to respectfully disagree
>with an Israeli or Zionist policy without being branded as a racist,
>anti-semite, etc?
Sure. But since when is Farky's ravings "respectful disagreement"? Didn't
you see the Chicago speech, or any of his other rantings over the years?
>Instead of the name calling, let's talk issues. It seems that some
>love to throw around the term "anti-semite" in order to quash debate
>and to let the zionists do whatever they want unquestioned.
Ah. It's amazing how often antisemites say just that sort of thing, isn't it?
What would you think if somebody, when trying to defend the rantings of, say,
Tom Metzger (say, when he calls black folks "mud people", saying,) "gee, isn't
it possible for somebody to respectfully disagree with an AA view without
being branded as a racist?"
Joel Rosenberg | jo...@winternet.com | http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
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We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the
hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the
appalling silence of the good people.
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Ken Miller
HATE!!!!!!>, 'groo...@aol.com (GROOVE YOU)' wrote:
>Farrakhan is a savior for a lot of people that are misled and miseducated
>by a rascist system.
However, the racist system that misleads and mis-educates is Farrakhan's
itself. He spouts lies and half truths and dares you to disagree. If you
are white and do so, you are branded a racist. If you are Black and do so,
you are branded a traitor to your people and a tool of the white, racist
regime.
There has been many Blacks who succeed and then are discriminated against.
The largest group to do so are the Blacks themselves. They also are told
they are traitors to their people. For Farrakhan, the only way you are
correct is to follow him without question.
Remind you of other "leaders", past and present?
SA
>
> Farrakhan has succeeded in his plan to exploit and
> manipulate his own people for his gain. This is what the Million >
> Man March was about, and this is what his latest cry-baby tactics
> are about.
> Fooling millions of people who don't know better into making him
> look good in front of those who are not in his thrall.
> You are now officially a cog in a machine. Congratulations!
Mr. Silverman:
If Louis Farrakhan fooled millions, and I am not defending him here, I
would like to remind you that the Zionist elite has fooled billions of
people begining with the PROTOCOLS OF THE LEADERS OF ZION that were
adopted in a Zionist conference in Basel, Switzerland in the late
1800's. That conference, my friend, set the agenda and the plan for
all of what is happening in the world today..we indeed have a world
government .. and it is not the UN as some militia types would argue
.. it is the Zionism that commands loyalty of every leader in this
world from Bill Clinton to the European leadres to all the Arab
leaders. Add to that the people who who control the media and yoy
really have a strangle hold on the world.
When world leaders must wear Yarmukas at Rabin's funeral.. it makes
you wonder..when Bill Clinton cries as he mourned Rabin (something he
did not do at his own mother's funeral) It really makes you wonder.
When zionism has such power as to effectively supress free speech and
exchange of ideas.. it makes you wonder (example, I would be called a
nazzi I, for one second, questioned what happened in the holocaust
even though as a human being I should have the right to at least
question what happened there)
Notice that I did not say Jews but rather Zionists (like George Will,
Pat Robertson and William Safire), so please do not accuse me of
anti-semitism.
So my friend, before you go after farrakhan for fooling millions may
be you ought to go after Theodore Hertzel!!!
SA
J Lopez
>Mr. Silverman:
>If Louis Farrakhan fooled millions, and I am not defending him here, I
>would like to remind you that the Zionist elite has fooled billions of
>people begining with the PROTOCOLS OF THE LEADERS OF ZION that were
[Uh-oh....Twilight Zone music begins playing....]
>When world leaders must wear Yarmukas [sic] at Rabin's funeral.. it makes
>you wonder..
[I don't get it. Would you rather they wear, say, baseball caps?]
>Notice that I did not say Jews but rather Zionists (like George Will,
>Pat Robertson and William Safire), so please do not accuse me of
>anti-semitism.
[I've heard that before...Where?....Oh yeah....]
[Notice that I did not say, "black," but "the underclass"...]
--jlopez // "When our people deny us a place in our family we feel they
are not our people." --Alma Gomez et al.
Joel Rosenberg
>From: SA <sa...@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: FARRAKHAN SPREADS MESSAGE OF HATE!!!!!!
>Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 22:35:09 +0200
>Jason Silverman wrote:
>>
>> Farrakhan has succeeded in his plan to exploit and
>> manipulate his own people for his gain. This is what the Million >
>> Man March was about, and this is what his latest cry-baby tactics
>> are about.
>> Fooling millions of people who don't know better into making him
>> look good in front of those who are not in his thrall.
>> You are now officially a cog in a machine. Congratulations!
>Mr. Silverman:
>If Louis Farrakhan fooled millions, and I am not defending him here, I
>would like to remind you that the Zionist elite has fooled billions of
>people begining with the PROTOCOLS OF THE LEADERS OF ZION
I'm so glad that we had that ooze up here. The Protocols are not only a
forgery, but are known to be a forgery -- with a little research, one can even
dig up the original works from which much of them were taken.
Joel Rosenberg
>From: rab...@ix.netcom.com(Ala S Rabady)
>Subject: Re: FARRAKHAN SPREADS MESSAGE OF HATE!!!!!!
>In <joelr.247...@winternet.com> jo...@winternet.com (Joel
>Rosenberg) writes:
>>
>>In article <4ihvvd$4...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>
>rab...@ix.netcom.com(Ala S Rabady) writes:
>>
>>>Wait a second. Isn't it possible for anyone to respectfully disagree
>>>with an Israeli or Zionist policy without being branded as a racist,
>>>anti-semite, etc?
>>
>>Sure. But since when is Farky's ravings "respectful disagreement"?
>Didn't
>>you see the Chicago speech, or any of his other rantings over the
>years?
>>
>I am no apologist for Farakkan, but it seems in general that are some,
>if not many, zionists that will brand you as a racist, hateful, evil,
>anti-semite whenever anyone even remotely dares to challenge or
>disagree with zionist idealogy. Could this be because zionist
>ideaology can't stand firmly on its own, and therefore zionists must
>squash debate!?
>>>Instead of the name calling, let's talk issues. It seems that some
>>>love to throw around the term "anti-semite" in order to quash debate
>>>and to let the zionists do whatever they want unquestioned.
>>
>>Ah. It's amazing how often antisemites say just that sort of thing,
>isn't it?
>There you go again. Race and hate-mongering whenever anyone raises his
>voice to question zionist/Israeli actions.
>>
And when somebody says that AAs aren't of the same species as paler
folks, there I'll go again and suggest that that's just plain racism.
Ken McVay OBC
>would like to remind you that the Zionist elite has fooled billions of
>people begining with the PROTOCOLS OF THE LEADERS OF ZION that were
>adopted in a Zionist conference in Basel, Switzerland in the late
Sorry, wrong answer, but thanks for playing. The Protocols
have long been recognized as a forgery. For specifics,
including two court cases which maintained that finding, see
URL
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?documents/protocols/
>When world leaders must wear Yarmukas at Rabin's funeral.. it makes
>you wonder..when Bill Clinton cries as he mourned Rabin (something he
Perhaps it makes _you_ wonder, given your obvious paranoia. To
me, it sounds more like common courtesy.
>Notice that I did not say Jews but rather Zionists (like George Will,
>Pat Robertson and William Safire), so please do not accuse me of
>anti-semitism.
DO tell us: What percentage of Jews are Zionists?
>So my friend, before you go after farrakhan for fooling millions may
>be you ought to go after Theodore Hertzel!!!
Farrakahn is a rabid racist - are you disputing that?
See http://www.almanac.bc.ca/hweb/orgs/american/adl/nation-of-islam/
See http://www.almanac.bc.ca/hweb/orgs/american/adl/uncommon-ground/
and then get back to us.
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J Lopez
In <4ikl72$r...@panix.com> wal...@panix.com (Jerome Walker) writes:
Joel wrote:
>>The normal defense, at least in scaa, [of Farrakhan]
>Let us see how honest you are willing to be Joel. Of all of the posters in
>s.c.a.a., how many *explicitly* defend Farrakhan and about how many
>black posters are there in s.c.a.a.
To be fair, Joel's statement can be interpreted two ways. One is your
way, that he's saying it's normal for scaa members to defend Farrakhan.
The other way is that he's merely noting that *OF* those scaa members
(regardless of number) who do defend Farrakhan, their customary defense
is blah-blah-blah.
Let's think positively and assume Joel meant the latter. Or better
still, let's ask him.
Is that the way you meant it, Joel?
>Or, will you continue to lie in the s.c.a.a. newsgroup?
If Joel says, "Yes, all my scaa statements are lies," will the newsgroup
explode?
Ken McVay OBC
jo...@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>Sure. But since when is Farky's ravings "respectful disagreement"? Didn't
>you see the Chicago speech, or any of his other rantings over the years?
[snip]
>What would you think if somebody, when trying to defend the rantings of, say,
>Tom Metzger (say, when he calls black folks "mud people", saying,) "gee, isn't
>it possible for somebody to respectfully disagree with an AA view without
>being branded as a racist?"
Given that Farrakahn is in bed with Metzger, your comment is
quite appropriate. For first-hand information about
Farrakahn's racist diatribes, I recommend the following URLs:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/orgs/american/adl/uncommon-ground/
(The Black African Holocaust Council)
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/orgs/american/adl/nation-of-islam/
(Farrakahn's bigotry, in his own words, exloration of his
links to White supremacists like Metzger, etc.)
Both reports are well worth reading for anyone interested in
Mr. Farrakahn.
NANDO
On 17 Mar 1996, GROOVE YOU wrote:
> Farrakhan is a savior for a lot of people that are misled and miseducated
> by a rascist system.
>
>
SOME WOULD ARGUE THAT SO WAS HITLER. A SAVIOR THAT IS.
JUST A THOUGHT.
br...@lee.house.gov
Maurice King
the judicial system for exposing him/her ! Think about it.
What people in this newsgroup are openly complaining the most ? Only a
few......
Peace
Maurice
Joel Rosenberg
>From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: FARRAKHAN's rantings..
>Date: 18 Mar 1996 09:12:29 -0800
>In article <joelr.247...@winternet.com>,
>jo...@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>>Sure. But since when is Farky's ravings "respectful disagreement"? Didn't
>>you see the Chicago speech, or any of his other rantings over the years?
>[snip]
>>What would you think if somebody, when trying to defend the rantings of, say,
>>Tom Metzger (say, when he calls black folks "mud people", saying,) "gee, isn't
>>it possible for somebody to respectfully disagree with an AA view without
>>being branded as a racist?"
>Given that Farrakahn is in bed with Metzger, your comment is
>quite appropriate. For first-hand information about
>Farrakahn's racist diatribes, I recommend the following URLs:
>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/orgs/american/adl/uncommon-ground/
>(The Black African Holocaust Council)
>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/orgs/american/adl/nation-of-islam/
There's also a lot of good stuff on the ADL site, at http://www.adl.org, as
well.
>(Farrakahn's bigotry, in his own words, exloration of his
>links to White supremacists like Metzger, etc.)
>Both reports are well worth reading for anyone interested in
>Mr. Farrakahn.
Good points, all, unsurprisingly.
Of course, the romance between the Nation of Islam and white bigots goes back
to before Farrakhan. George Lincoln Rockwell was, at one time, the only white
guy ever invited to address a NOI crowd.