Politics: Himmler vs. Morrighan
Daedra Morrighan
> Daedra Morrighan wrote:
> >
> > Man, I've already told you that I don't use fucking sock puppets. I don't need
> > them. I have more than one newsgroup account but I put my name at the bottom of
> > each post. There are other people on usenet who are in my organization, and who
> > are most certainly NOT me.
>
> And I should believe you because....?
Paul Kneisel admitted that there are people (not just one person) in
my group. We'll meet with you if you like.
>
> > I am a left-winger, btw, not a Nazi. Can't you present a case without throwing
> > false epithets at me?
>
> Says the one who called me "Zionist boy." LOL
Are you not a Zionist?
>
> You're about as left-wing as Heinrich Himmler.
Here are a few of the things that I advocate:
1) the abolition of all nation-states
2) the abolition of the nuclear family
3) a transition to communal childrearing
4) a transition to atheist and humanist values
5) the abolition of the "white race"[1]
6) free love
7) revolutionary feminism
8) the abolition of the wage system, bourgeois property, and all
elements of capitalism
9) political and economic decentralization
10) democratic localism
Heinrich Himmler, on the other hand, advocated (and helped bring into
being) the following:
1) the development of a powerful militaristic nation-state
2) the strengthening of the 'traditional' nuclear family unit
3) the normifying of 'traditional' childrearing
4) a transition to theist and anti-human values
5) the worship of the "white [or 'aryan'] race"
6) a stringent ban on free love; the enforcement of 'traditional'
marriage
7) a ban on feminism and the persecution/prosecution of feminists
8) a dictatorship of the bourgeois classes over the common people
9) political and economic centralization
10) un-democratic imperialism
I challenge you to produce even one item of evidence which refutes so
much as a single item I outlined above.
As it should go without saying, I am the antithesis of Himmler.
Remember that the next time you want to compare me to some dead
"Nordic" megalomaniac.
[1]For some info on this "New Abolitionism" see Race Traitor at
<http://www.postfun.com/racetraitor/>
-- Daedra Morrighan
Founder: Black Vanguard
<http://www.pornonationalist.ws>
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of
Judaism, which is the huckster and the conditions that produce him,
the Jew will become impossible, because his consciousness will no
longer have a corresponding object."
- Karl Marx
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John C. Randolph
Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>
> Here are a few of the things that I advocate:
>
> 1) the abolition of all nation-states
Okay, with you on this one..
> 2) the abolition of the nuclear family
Nope, just lost me there. When families are undermined or even
destroyed, horror ensues. One has only to look at the orphanages of
Romania to see the appalling results of Ceacescu's policy of trying to
have all the babies possible raised by the state.
> 3) a transition to communal childrearing
See above.
> 4) a transition to atheist and humanist values
"transition"? What, like Pol Pot tried to do?
> 5) the abolition of the "white race"[1]
The web site in your footnote was just a load of the ususal "everyone
who is not oppressed is guilty" tripe.
> 6) free love
LOL! Do you think that free love is the way for a shit-eater to get laid?
> 7) revolutionary feminism
What's it to you, dude?
> 8) the abolition of the wage system, bourgeois property, and all
> elements of capitalism
Hey, you want to work for nothing, have at it. I still insist on
getting paid.
> 9) political and economic decentralization
> 10) democratic localism
Yadda, yadda, yadda.
You know Brandon, if you want people to take you seriously you might
want to renounce shit-eating for a start.
-jcr
Susan Cohen
"John C. Randolph" wrote:
> Brandon Orr wrote:
> >
> > Here are a few of the things that I advocate:
> >
> > 1) the abolition of all nation-states
>
> Okay, with you on this one..
>
> > 2) the abolition of the nuclear family
>
> Nope, just lost me there. When families are undermined or even
> destroyed, horror ensues. One has only to look at the orphanages of
> Romania to see the appalling results of Ceacescu's policy of trying to
> have all the babies possible raised by the state.
Considering that "an elephantis a mouse deigned by committee",
last thing I want to see is "the majority" raising *my* child!
> > 3) a transition to communal childrearing
>
> See above.
Ditto
> > 4) a transition to atheist and humanist values
>
> "transition"? What, like Pol Pot tried to do?
Or the Russian Communists?
> > 5) the abolition of the "white race"[1]
>
> The web site in your footnote was just a load of the ususal "everyone
> who is not oppressed is guilty" tripe.
Which is odd, considering the anti-minority Nazi-apologetics
in which Brandon usually indulges.
> > 6) free love
>
> LOL! Do you think that free love is the way for a shit-eater to get laid?
I'd say "Give that man a cigar," but I'd hate for you to get cancer.
You got it in one.
> > 7) revolutionary feminism
>
> What's it to you, dude?
see #6.
> > 8) the abolition of the wage system, bourgeois property, and all
> > elements of capitalism
>
> Hey, you want to work for nothing, have at it. I still insist on
> getting paid.
Some people want to get *paid* for nothing....
> > 9) political and economic decentralization
> > 10) democratic localism
>
> Yadda, yadda, yadda.
>
> You know Brandon, if you want people to take you seriously you might
> want to renounce shit-eating for a start.
>
> -jcr
You gonna be in Philly this year? E-Mail me!
Susan
Richard G. Phillips
"John C. Randolph" wrote:
> Daedra Morrighan wrote:
> >
> > Here are a few of the things that I advocate:
> >
> > 1) the abolition of all nation-states
>
> Okay, with you on this one..
>
> > 2) the abolition of the nuclear family
>
> Nope, just lost me there. When families are undermined or even
> destroyed, horror ensues. One has only to look at the orphanages of
> Romania to see the appalling results of Ceacescu's policy of trying to
> have all the babies possible raised by the state.
>
> > 3) a transition to communal childrearing
>
> See above.
>
> > 4) a transition to atheist and humanist values
>
> "transition"? What, like Pol Pot tried to do?
>
> > 5) the abolition of the "white race"[1]
========================================
Phillips
By means of gas chambers, possibly?
============================
>
>
> The web site in your footnote was just a load of the ususal "everyone
> who is not oppressed is guilty" tripe.
>
> > 6) free love
================================
Phillips
I don't ask that it would be free, but I would appreciate it if you could
bring down the price of kilobuck hookers to within reach of a 'Humble
Workingman.'
===========================
>
>
> LOL! Do you think that free love is the way for a shit-eater to get laid?
>
> > 7) revolutionary feminism
===================================
Phillips
I've always said: Let the ladies do the fighting. Got more natural fee-rocity
in their souls any day.
====================================
>
>
> What's it to you, dude?
>
> > 8) the abolition of the wage system, bourgeois property, and all
> > elements of capitalism
================================
Phillips
Good. Then you're a National Socialist.
================================
Orac
"Richard G. Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Daedra Morrighan wrote:
> > > 8) the abolition of the wage system, bourgeois property, and all
> > > elements of capitalism
>
> ================================
> Phillips
>
> Good. Then you're a National Socialist.
Heh heh. I don't think "Daedra" will like that at all.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
Daedra Morrighan
>
> > 7) revolutionary feminism
>
> What's it to you, dude?
All progressive women consider transgendered women such as myself to
be women. Even radical women's groups, such as the Lesbian Avengers,
consider us to be women.
Here is part of a letter to the Michigan Women's Music Festival
from the Lesbian Avengers:
"The Lesbian Avengers here in DC have benefited from the inclusion of
transgendered peoples in more ways than we can count. Our mission
statement is clearly trans-inclusive and welcoming."
<http://www.well.com/user/barmitag/mich.htm>
>
> You know Brandon, if you want people to take you seriously you might
> want to renounce shit-eating for a start.
Everyone already takes me seriously:
Rob Coats, a very respected commentator who sometimes posts on Usenet,
regards my writing talent as "profound:"
<begin>
On 5 May 2001 15:50:27 -0700, Daedra Morrighan
<vang...@antisocial.com> wrote:
<begin nomination>
>The 'morality' of religious fanatics is no more sacred to a thinking
person than >are any of their printed idols. <end
nomination>
<end nomination>
Just in case no-one else has nominated this. I am nominating it for
its simple profound nature :)
Seconds?
<end>
Source:
From: Rob Coats (rcoats[@]iinet[.]net[.]au)
Subject: AQOTM nomination, WAS( Re: "Question #184"
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Date: 2001-05-05 18:40:22 PST
According to chib...@earthlink.net, one of the most popular regulars
in alt.atheism, I am "an extremely interesting,
well-informed individual."
Source:
From: chibiabos (chib...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: AQOTM nomination, WAS( Re: "Question #184"
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Date: 2001-05-07 11:49:40 PST
Ath...@home.com, referred to my writings as "well-written."
Source:
From: ath...@home.com (ath...@home.com)
Subject: Re: "Question #184"
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Date: 2001-05-04 12:32:25 PST
di5p0...@hotmail.com referred to my writing as "eloquent."
Source:
From: Rev. WarFrost (di5p0...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Report from Seattle Nigger Violence
Newsgroups: alt.satanism, alt.flame.jesus.christ,
alt.politics.democrats.d
Date: 2001-03-03 01:40:08 PST
Ci...@hotmail.com, after she reviewed my website, noted that it
"looked professional" and was interesting.
Source:
From: Circe (Ci...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: The New and True Alternative
Newsgroups: alt.activism.children, alt.atheism, alt.satanism
View complete thread (25 articles)
Date: 2000/07/07
Rose Stark -- posting right in this ng, and alt.native -- referred to
me as
"passionate" and "well versed."
From: Rose Stark (rico...@iprimus.com.au)
Subject: Re: REPOST: Re: The Holocaust Against Native American Peoples
Newsgroups: alt.native, alt.revisionism, soc.culture.jewish,
soc.culture.palestine, alt.history
Date: 2001-06-06 06:04:48 PST
Paul Kneisel noted that my organization exists and has multiple
members:
<http://www.anti-fascism.org/special/bv/pk%20-%20fascism%20as%20necro%20-%20May%2024.html>
He also noted that it is possible that I have "sufficient forces" to
back up all my objectives.
Those who oppose me are usually either idiots or trolls. Take "Dr."
Ewan Jackson for example.
As T. Epstein put it, "Ewan is just a kid from Australia who enjoys
trolling usentet for reactions. ... Oh and Morrighan is right,
Ewan isn't a communist either."
Source:
From: T. E. (teps...@agere.com)
Subject: Re: Ewan Jackson: Not a Communist
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, alt.conspiracy, soc.culture.jewish,
sci.skeptic,
alt.politics
Date: 2001-06-06 12:41:43 PST
And here are sources to posts from two members of my organization.
They joined my organization - if that isn't a defense of me, what is?
"Daedra: Christians and Jews aren't worthy to eat your shit."
Message 1 in thread
From: X (Xm...@johansmail.com)
Subject: Daedra
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, sci.skeptic, soc.culture.jewish,
alt.pagan
Date: 2001-06-11 12:21:09 PST
"Here are some links for your enlightenment, courtesy of Black
Vanguard..."
From: Nick (nicky_...@yahoo.co.uk)
Subject: Alternative Links -- via Black Vanguard
Newsgroups: alt.pagan.magick, alt.anarchism, alt.religion.wicca,
sci.skeptic,
alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
Date: 2001-05-26 09:19:14 PST
I could go on and on, but why spend too much time on this?
The point is that I have an organization, and it is growing, and that
I have received plenty of good feedback on usenet and elsewhere.
So how can you reasonably call me a troll?
Daedra Morrighan
Founder: Black Vanguard
<http://www.pornonationalist.ws>
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of
Judaism, which is the huckster and the conditions that produce him,
the Jew will become impossible, because his consciousness will no
longer have a corresponding object."
- Karl Marx
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Vanguard Discussion Forums:
Daedra Morrighan
>
>
>========================================
>Phillips
>
>By means of gas chambers, possibly?
Of course not. You say that Jewish privilege in the Middle East and elsewhere
needs to go. I'm with you on that. However, 'white' privilege in general also
needs to go.
>>
>>
>> The web site in your footnote was just a load of the ususal "everyone
>> who is not oppressed is guilty" tripe.
>>
>> > 6) free love
>
>================================
>Phillips
>
>I don't ask that it would be free, but I would appreciate it if you could
>bring down the price of kilobuck hookers to within reach of a 'Humble
>Workingman.'
>
>===========================
Actually, women are getting easier and easier (slowly but surely), and that's a
good thing.
>>
>> > 8) the abolition of the wage system, bourgeois property, and all
>> > elements of capitalism
>
>================================
>Phillips
>
>Good. Then you're a National Socialist.
>
>================================
LOL. The only National Socialists who took the 'socialist' part seriously were
of the Strasser faction. Hitler had them purged from the party.
Daedra Morrighan
Founder: Black Vanguard
<http://www.pornonationalist.ws>
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of
Judaism, which is the huckster and the conditions that produce him,
the Jew will become impossible, because his consciousness will no
longer have a corresponding object."
- Karl Marx
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Vanguard Discussion Forums:
Daedra Morrighan
>
>In article <3B2C1690...@earthlink.net>,
> "Richard G. Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>> > Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>
>> > > 8) the abolition of the wage system, bourgeois property, and all
>> > > elements of capitalism
>>
>> ================================
>> Phillips
>>
>> Good. Then you're a National Socialist.
>
>Heh heh. I don't think "Daedra" will like that at all.
>--
Richard was joking, of course. Hitler was a capitalist, like yourself.
Daedra Morrighan
Founder: Black Vanguard
<http://www.pornonationalist.ws>
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of
Judaism, which is the huckster and the conditions that produce him,
the Jew will become impossible, because his consciousness will no
longer have a corresponding object."
- Karl Marx
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Vanguard Discussion Forums:
Brian Blank
>In article <3B2C1690...@earthlink.net>,
> "Richard G. Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>> > Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>
>> > > 8) the abolition of the wage system, bourgeois property, and all
>> > > elements of capitalism
>>
>> ================================
>> Phillips
>>
>> Good. Then you're a National Socialist.
>
>Heh heh. I don't think "Daedra" will like that at all.
You know, sometimes, Richard can be very incisive.
Not often, but in this case, I think his description of Daedra is
correct.
Regards,
Brian Blank
Daedra Morrighan
Are you serious? You admitted earlier that "patriotic" is a bad way to describe
me. After all, I'm for abolishing all nation-states. Now you're calling me a
Nazi, and Nazis are all for patriotism.
What a joke you are.
Brian Blank
Morrighan) wrote:
>"John C. Randolph" <jcrN...@idiom.com> wrote in message news:<3B2C0C14...@idiom.com>...
>
>>
>> > 7) revolutionary feminism
>>
>> What's it to you, dude?
>
>All progressive women consider transgendered women such as myself to
>be women. Even radical women's groups, such as the Lesbian Avengers,
>consider us to be women.
>
>Here is part of a letter to the Michigan Women's Music Festival
>from the Lesbian Avengers:
>
>"The Lesbian Avengers here in DC have benefited from the inclusion of
>transgendered peoples in more ways than we can count. Our mission
>statement is clearly trans-inclusive and welcoming."
>
><http://www.well.com/user/barmitag/mich.htm>
And your point is what exactly? I see no mention of you. I see no
mention of lying, bigoted, forging pornographers in that article.
>
>>
>> You know Brandon, if you want people to take you seriously you might
>> want to renounce shit-eating for a start.
>
>Everyone already takes me seriously:
Nobody takes you seriously and that is why you continue to post these
lies.
>
>Rob Coats, a very respected commentator who sometimes posts on Usenet,
>regards my writing talent as "profound:"
>
><begin>
>
>On 5 May 2001 15:50:27 -0700, Daedra Morrighan
><vang...@antisocial.com> wrote:
>
><begin nomination>
>>The 'morality' of religious fanatics is no more sacred to a thinking
>person than >are any of their printed idols. <end
>nomination>
><end nomination>
>
>Just in case no-one else has nominated this. I am nominating it for
>its simple profound nature :)
>
>Seconds?
>
><end>
>
>Source:
>From: Rob Coats (rcoats[@]iinet[.]net[.]au)
>Subject: AQOTM nomination, WAS( Re: "Question #184"
>Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>Date: 2001-05-05 18:40:22 PST
>
>According to chib...@earthlink.net, one of the most popular regulars
>in alt.atheism, I am "an extremely interesting,
>well-informed individual."
She also said the following: "Daedra is no slouch, but she rubs a lot
of people here the wrong way, which is too bad considering her obvious
talent and intelligence." And this "There is, however, something very
wrong with condemning an entire race of people because some of them
are not to your liking."
And the paragraph containing your quote above was actually "You're an
extremely interesting, well-informed individual. The pornonationalist
vanguard schtick was a little hard to swallow sometimes, that's all."
Kind of puts a different spin on things doesn't it?
>
>Source:
>From: chibiabos (chib...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net)
>Subject: Re: AQOTM nomination, WAS( Re: "Question #184"
>Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>Date: 2001-05-07 11:49:40 PST
>
>Ath...@home.com, referred to my writings as "well-written."
Another lie.
The quote was: "Well written post. Please define "unrestricted
negative." <I'm unfamiliar with the term>
Thanks."
>
>Source:
>From: ath...@home.com (ath...@home.com)
>Subject: Re: "Question #184"
>Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>Date: 2001-05-04 12:32:25 PST
>
>di5p0...@hotmail.com referred to my writing as "eloquent."
The actual quote is "Very flowery, eloquent rhetoric, but rhetorical
nonetheless.
Explain to me how you think allowing adults to freely engage in sex
with children could improve society as a whole, rather than simply
serving your desires. Your views won't change my stance any more than
mine will change yours; but I might believe you're honestly more
interested in what our posterity enjoys tomorrow than what your
posterior enjoys today."
In the same post he also said: "Of course not; nor is having sex with
young boys patently NOT exploitation simply because NAMBLA says it
isn't. The AFA - like all such organizations - exists to advance and
support issues, not objectivity; and as an atheist with Satanic
leanings, they'd probably consider me just as much an evil
motherfucker as you."
So actually he describes you as an "evil motherfucker." Most
complimentary.
>
>Source:
>From: Rev. WarFrost (di5p0...@hotmail.com)
>Subject: Re: Report from Seattle Nigger Violence
>Newsgroups: alt.satanism, alt.flame.jesus.christ,
>alt.politics.democrats.d
>Date: 2001-03-03 01:40:08 PST
>
>Ci...@hotmail.com, after she reviewed my website, noted that it
>"looked professional" and was interesting.
>
>Source:
>From: Circe (Ci...@hotmail.com)
>Subject: Re: The New and True Alternative
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.children, alt.atheism, alt.satanism
>View complete thread (25 articles)
>Date: 2000/07/07
>
>Rose Stark -- posting right in this ng, and alt.native -- referred to
>me as
>"passionate" and "well versed."
In fact, the post was not complimentary, just polite.
<begin quote>
Do you think this full economic self sufficiency is achievable? Do you
think that in this day and age that society is equipped to be self
sufficient and what would be the ramifications of this? Is economic
freedom really a realistic and necessary precondition to political
autonomy and liberty as you quote?
I must confess that I ask not attack your beliefs, because you
obviously are very passionate about it, and you may wonder who am I to
question your obviously well versed statements, I just wonder if you
have seen it clearly in the big picture. To be honest, I believe that
if there was to be a revolution of any kind, it will be born from
empowerment, and from a clear glimpse of the full picture and how it
could be.<end quote>
By the way, I couldn't help but notice how you changed that little
self-congratulatory bit of narcissism here. You used to claim that she
said your writings well passionate and well versed. What an
unmitigated liar you are.
>
>From: Rose Stark (rico...@iprimus.com.au)
>Subject: Re: REPOST: Re: The Holocaust Against Native American Peoples
>Newsgroups: alt.native, alt.revisionism, soc.culture.jewish,
>soc.culture.palestine, alt.history
>Date: 2001-06-06 06:04:48 PST
>
>Paul Kneisel noted that my organization exists and has multiple
>members:
>
><http://www.anti-fascism.org/special/bv/pk%20-%20fascism%20as%20necro%20-%20May%2024.html>
>
>He also noted that it is possible that I have "sufficient forces" to
>back up all my objectives.
But he did not say that. He said "back up your thuggery." Unless of
course thuggery is your objective. Is it?
>
>Those who oppose me are usually either idiots or trolls. Take "Dr."
>Ewan Jackson for example.
Oppose you? You don't understand the meaning of the word, oppose, do
you. Let me see, you don't have the courage to answer questions. You
are a liar, you are a forger, you are a bigot and you are a
pornographer. What is there to oppose? You are a joke. You are a
child, throwing childish tantrums and screaming "look at me, look at
me, I'm wonderful, people say I'm wonderful." Only trouble is that, as
you yourself have shown above, they don't think that you are
wonderful.
>
>As T. Epstein put it, "Ewan is just a kid from Australia who enjoys
>trolling usentet for reactions. ... Oh and Morrighan is right,
>Ewan isn't a communist either."
>
>Source:
>
>From: T. E. (teps...@agere.com)
>Subject: Re: Ewan Jackson: Not a Communist
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, alt.conspiracy, soc.culture.jewish,
>sci.skeptic,
>alt.politics
>Date: 2001-06-06 12:41:43 PST
What makes you think that anybody cares what one poster says about
another?
Sorry, forgot that you don't think.
And this is the thread in which Epstein also says "Hey Daedra,
Didn't you say you "plonked" me a while ago? What happened?"
Seems like you two have a high regard for one another.
It is also the thread where Sara Salzman said
"In article <EUuT6.1370$bA3....@www.newsranger.com>, Daedra
Morrighan
<nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
[a bunch of political drivel mixed with Daedra's raging paranoia]
Please explain why you have posted this to alt.revisionism. It has
absolutely nothing to do with the discussion of Holocaust revisionism,
and is merely a continuation of your combination of mudslinging and
whining about other people doing the same to you.
Please redirect further postings to alt.whining.morons
Thank you,
Sara Salzman"
She obviously thinks highly of you.
So in your own inimitable threatening manner you responded by the
following "What a jerk you are!! I had left you alone, because I
thought you were going to quit bothering me. Now, expect my campaign
against you to be started up again, and at 5000% the intensity...."
This bought the following response from Dr. Andrew Mathis
"I think Sara is truly terrified now that some 22-year-old sexually
perverse fringe lunatic is going to "campaign" against her. Do you
think you have the slightest amount of credibility, shit-eater?"
Another poster here who thinks that you are wonderful and your
postings are profound <Grin>.
Like I said above. You are a joke. You are a pathetic, whining child,
puffed up with your self-importance and a liar, a bigot, a forger and
a pornographer.
I'll believe that others think highly of you or are scared of you
when they tell me so, or post it in the newsgroups. Until then, I
shall assume that your idea of a compliment is to be described as an
"evil motherfucker."
>
>And here are sources to posts from two members of my organization.
>They joined my organization - if that isn't a defense of me, what is?
It's evidence that there are other bigoted idiots in this world.
Whether they want to defend you or not, the reality is that your
morals and your bigotry are indefensible.
You are a lying, forging, bigoted pornographer.
>
>"Daedra: Christians and Jews aren't worthy to eat your shit."
Very profound. Another foul-mouthed bigot. And you are proud of this?
>
>Message 1 in thread
>From: X (Xm...@johansmail.com)
>Subject: Daedra
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, sci.skeptic, soc.culture.jewish,
>alt.pagan
>Date: 2001-06-11 12:21:09 PST
>
>"Here are some links for your enlightenment, courtesy of Black
>Vanguard..."
Oh yes, your Ambassador to the Court of King James, liaison to the
British Isles. A total non-entity (rather like you).Interesting set of
newsgroups for your "Liaison to the British Isles" to post to. Which
one does he use to communicate with Tony Blair?
>
>From: Nick (nicky_...@yahoo.co.uk)
>Subject: Alternative Links -- via Black Vanguard
>Newsgroups: alt.pagan.magick, alt.anarchism, alt.religion.wicca,
>sci.skeptic,
>alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
>Date: 2001-05-26 09:19:14 PST
>
>I could go on and on, but why spend too much time on this?
>The point is that I have an organization, and it is growing, and that
>I have received plenty of good feedback on usenet and elsewhere.
You do go on and on. You post the same lies in spite of the evidence
being provided that these are lies, over and over again. That is the
action of a troll.
>
>So how can you reasonably call me a troll?
You are a troll (see above). You are a liar. You are a bigot. You are
a forger. You are a pornographer.
Regards,
Brian Blank
Daedra Morrighan
>
>On 16 Jun 2001 21:49:52 -0700, vang...@antisocial.com (Daedra
>Morrighan) wrote:
>
>>"John C. Randolph" <jcrN...@idiom.com> wrote in message news:<3B2C0C14...@idiom.com>...
>>
>>>
>>> > 7) revolutionary feminism
>>>
>>> What's it to you, dude?
>>
>>All progressive women consider transgendered women such as myself to
>>be women. Even radical women's groups, such as the Lesbian Avengers,
>>consider us to be women.
>>
>>Here is part of a letter to the Michigan Women's Music Festival
>>from the Lesbian Avengers:
>>
>>"The Lesbian Avengers here in DC have benefited from the inclusion of
>>transgendered peoples in more ways than we can count. Our mission
>>statement is clearly trans-inclusive and welcoming."
>>
>><http://www.well.com/user/barmitag/mich.htm>
>And your point is what exactly? I see no mention of you. I see no
>mention of lying, bigoted, forging pornographers in that article.
There is some pretty hot porn on some Lesbian Avengers websites. They are wild
riot grrrls. No wonder you hate them.
>>
>>>
>>> You know Brandon, if you want people to take you seriously you might
>>> want to renounce shit-eating for a start.
>>
>>Everyone already takes me seriously:
>Nobody takes you seriously and that is why you continue to post these
>lies.
Everyone takes me seriously which is why you continue to whine about it.
>>
>>According to chib...@earthlink.net, one of the most popular regulars
>>in alt.atheism, I am "an extremely interesting,
>>well-informed individual."
>She also said the following: "Daedra is no slouch, but she rubs a lot
>of people here the wrong way, which is too bad considering her obvious
>talent and intelligence."
"Obvious talent and intelligence" is never a description applied to someone not
taken seriously.
He also noted that some people are angered by me. If I were a "joke," no one
would be angered; they'd be amused.
>>
>>Ath...@home.com, referred to my writings as "well-written."
>Another lie.
>The quote was: "Well written post. Please define "unrestricted
>negative." <I'm unfamiliar with the term>
>Thanks."
He referred to my writing as "well written." He takes my writing seriously.
>>
>>di5p0...@hotmail.com referred to my writing as "eloquent."
>The actual quote is "Very flowery, eloquent rhetoric, but rhetorical
>nonetheless.
>Explain to me how you think allowing adults to freely engage in sex
>with children could improve society as a whole, rather than simply
>serving your desires. Your views won't change my stance any more than
>mine will change yours; but I might believe you're honestly more
>interested in what our posterity enjoys tomorrow than what your
>posterior enjoys today."
>
>In the same post he also said: "Of course not; nor is having sex with
>young boys patently NOT exploitation simply because NAMBLA says it
>isn't. The AFA - like all such organizations - exists to advance and
>support issues, not objectivity; and as an atheist with Satanic
>leanings, they'd probably consider me just as much an evil
>motherfucker as you."
>So actually he describes you as an "evil motherfucker." Most
>complimentary.
So what, idiot? Is this the best you can do? He also described himself as a
motherfucker.
>>>>
>>Rose Stark -- posting right in this ng, and alt.native -- referred to
>>me as
>>"passionate" and "well versed."
>In fact, the post was not complimentary, just polite.
Wrong. Referring to me as "passionate" and "well-versed" is a compliment by any
standard. Also, Rose is now my friend. She has also joined my organization's
e-group, sexualist2.
>>
>You are a joke.
If that were the case, you wouldn't spend so much time on me.
Only trouble is that, as
>you yourself have shown above, they don't think that you are
>wonderful.
All of the ones I quoted think I am intelligent. Some have joined my e-group, as
noted above. Some have befriended me, as noted above.
Daedra Morrighan
Founder: Black Vanguard
<http://www.pornonationalist.ws>
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of
Judaism, which is the huckster and the conditions that produce him,
the Jew will become impossible, because his consciousness will no
longer have a corresponding object."
- Karl Marx
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
****
John C. Randolph
Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>
> Hitler was a capitalist, like yourself.
No, Hitler was a demagogue. Carnegie was a capitalist. You really
should take a bit of time to learn the difference.
-jcr
John C. Randolph
Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>
> "John C. Randolph" <jcrN...@idiom.com> wrote in message news:<3B2C0C14...@idiom.com>...
> > You know Brandon, if you want people to take you seriously you might
> > want to renounce shit-eating for a start.
>
> Everyone already takes me seriously:
I beg to differ: your listing three people with moderately complimentary
statements hardly compensates for your being an admitted shit-eater.
-jcr
Sara
Morrighan <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
> In article <p5joit0e1qdi1oo3t...@4ax.com>, Brian Blank
> says...
> >
> >On 16 Jun 2001 21:49:52 -0700, vang...@antisocial.com (Daedra
> >Morrighan) wrote:
> >
> >>"John C. Randolph" <jcrN...@idiom.com> wrote in message
> >>news:<3B2C0C14...@idiom.com>...
> >>
> >>>
> >>> > 7) revolutionary feminism
> >>>
> >>> What's it to you, dude?
> >>
> >>All progressive women consider transgendered women such as myself to
> >>be women. Even radical women's groups, such as the Lesbian Avengers,
> >>consider us to be women.
> >>
> >>Here is part of a letter to the Michigan Women's Music Festival
> >>from the Lesbian Avengers:
> >>
> >>"The Lesbian Avengers here in DC have benefited from the inclusion of
> >>transgendered peoples in more ways than we can count. Our mission
> >>statement is clearly trans-inclusive and welcoming."
> >>
> >><http://www.well.com/user/barmitag/mich.htm>
> >And your point is what exactly? I see no mention of you. I see no
> >mention of lying, bigoted, forging pornographers in that article.
>
> There is some pretty hot porn on some Lesbian Avengers websites. They are
> wild
> riot grrrls. No wonder you hate them.
But I don't hate them. In fact, I know quite a few of the NYC Lesbian
Avengers, having gone to college with some of them at Sarah Lawrence.
And I don't know a single one who would support your agenda, Daedra.
Sara
--
"It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
John Sayles, _Lone Star_
Brian Blank
<nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>In article <p5joit0e1qdi1oo3t...@4ax.com>, Brian Blank says...
>>
>>On 16 Jun 2001 21:49:52 -0700, vang...@antisocial.com (Daedra
>>Morrighan) wrote:
>>
>>>"John C. Randolph" <jcrN...@idiom.com> wrote in message news:<3B2C0C14...@idiom.com>...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > 7) revolutionary feminism
>>>>
>>>> What's it to you, dude?
>>>
>>>All progressive women consider transgendered women such as myself to
>>>be women. Even radical women's groups, such as the Lesbian Avengers,
>>>consider us to be women.
>>>
>>>Here is part of a letter to the Michigan Women's Music Festival
>>>from the Lesbian Avengers:
>>>
>>>"The Lesbian Avengers here in DC have benefited from the inclusion of
>>>transgendered peoples in more ways than we can count. Our mission
>>>statement is clearly trans-inclusive and welcoming."
>>>
>>><http://www.well.com/user/barmitag/mich.htm>
>>And your point is what exactly? I see no mention of you. I see no
>>mention of lying, bigoted, forging pornographers in that article.
>
>There is some pretty hot porn on some Lesbian Avengers websites. They are wild
>riot grrrls. No wonder you hate them.
Prove that I hate them. I won't wait.
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know Brandon, if you want people to take you seriously you might
>>>> want to renounce shit-eating for a start.
>>>
>>>Everyone already takes me seriously:
>>Nobody takes you seriously and that is why you continue to post these
>>lies.
>
>Everyone takes me seriously which is why you continue to whine about it.
The only person whining here is you. "Look at me I'm wonderful!"
>
>
>
>>>
>>>According to chib...@earthlink.net, one of the most popular regulars
>>>in alt.atheism, I am "an extremely interesting,
>>>well-informed individual."
>>She also said the following: "Daedra is no slouch, but she rubs a lot
>>of people here the wrong way, which is too bad considering her obvious
>>talent and intelligence."
>
>"Obvious talent and intelligence" is never a description applied to someone not
>taken seriously.
Really? So what? This individual takes you seriously, but still thinks
that you rub a lot of people here the wrong way. When you first
started posting here, I thought that maybe you were i intelligent,
than after you started with your lies, it was obvious that in fact you
are just a troll. Then, with you inability to read and comprehend your
native language, together with your very poor writing skills, it soon
became obvious that in fact your level of intelligence is very low.
>
>He also noted that some people are angered by me. If I were a "joke," no one
>would be angered; they'd be amused.
They are amused. I am.
>
>
>>>
>>>Ath...@home.com, referred to my writings as "well-written."
>>Another lie.
>>The quote was: "Well written post. Please define "unrestricted
>>negative." <I'm unfamiliar with the term>
>>Thanks."
>
>He referred to my writing as "well written." He takes my writing seriously.
You said "writings" plural. He said "post" singular. I think that you
need to go back to grade school and learn some basic English.
>
>
>>>
>>>di5p0...@hotmail.com referred to my writing as "eloquent."
>>The actual quote is "Very flowery, eloquent rhetoric, but rhetorical
>>nonetheless.
>>Explain to me how you think allowing adults to freely engage in sex
>>with children could improve society as a whole, rather than simply
>>serving your desires. Your views won't change my stance any more than
>>mine will change yours; but I might believe you're honestly more
>>interested in what our posterity enjoys tomorrow than what your
>>posterior enjoys today."
>>
>>In the same post he also said: "Of course not; nor is having sex with
>>young boys patently NOT exploitation simply because NAMBLA says it
>>isn't. The AFA - like all such organizations - exists to advance and
>>support issues, not objectivity; and as an atheist with Satanic
>>leanings, they'd probably consider me just as much an evil
>>motherfucker as you."
>>So actually he describes you as an "evil motherfucker." Most
>>complimentary.
>
>So what, idiot? Is this the best you can do? He also described himself as a
>motherfucker.
So what? You lied by saying that he referred to your writing as
eloquent. He said it was rhetoric (not complimentary). He said "Very
flowery, eloquent rhetoric, but rhetorical nonetheless."
Oh, and learn to read for comprehension, he did not describe himself
as an evil motherfucker. He said that the AFA would probably consider
him to be just as much an evil motherfucker as you. It's a description
of you and a comment that others may consider him to be like you.
You are so dumb.
>
>
>
>>>>>
>>>Rose Stark -- posting right in this ng, and alt.native -- referred to
>>>me as
>>>"passionate" and "well versed."
>>In fact, the post was not complimentary, just polite.
>
>Wrong. Referring to me as "passionate" and "well-versed" is a compliment by any
>standard. Also, Rose is now my friend. She has also joined my organization's
>e-group, sexualist2.
"Look everybody, I have a new friend!" How childish can you be?
>
>>>
>
>
>>You are a joke.
>
>If that were the case, you wouldn't spend so much time on me.
It appeals to my sense of humor. Plus the fact that I enjoy pointing
out your lies.
>
>
>Only trouble is that, as
>>you yourself have shown above, they don't think that you are
>>wonderful.
>
>All of the ones I quoted think I am intelligent. Some have joined my e-group, as
>noted above. Some have befriended me, as noted above.
"Look, Mommy, this is my new friend!"
Are you ever going to provide any evidence regarding your lie about
the State of Israel being responsible for the murder of "hundreds of
thousands" of Arab Children?
Have your friends seen these lies of yours?
Regards,
Brian Blank
Brian Blank
Sara,
Daedra was saying that I hate them. Unlike you, I have not had the
pleasure of knowing any of them, I certainly do not hate them.
Do you think that Daedra may be lying?
Now wouldn't that be unusual?
Regards,
Brian Blank
Orac
Brian Blank <Iamnot...@home.spamblocker.com> wrote:
Indeed. My jaw dropped when I saw the utter appropriateness of his
statement.
Daedra Morrighan
>>
>>>>
>>>>According to chib...@earthlink.net, one of the most popular regulars
>>>>in alt.atheism, I am "an extremely interesting,
>>>>well-informed individual."
>>>She also said the following: "Daedra is no slouch, but she rubs a lot
>>>of people here the wrong way, which is too bad considering her obvious
>>>talent and intelligence."
>>
>>"Obvious talent and intelligence" is never a description applied to someone not
>>taken seriously.
>Really? So what? This individual takes you seriously, but still thinks
>that you rub a lot of people here the wrong way. When you first
>started posting here, I thought that maybe you were i intelligent,
>than after you started with your lies, it was obvious that in fact you
>are just a troll. Then, with you inability to read and comprehend your
>native language, together with your very poor writing skills, it soon
>became obvious that in fact your level of intelligence is very low.
>>
>>He also noted that some people are angered by me. If I were a "joke," no one
>>would be angered; they'd be amused.
>They are amused. I am.
No you're not. You're angry.
>>
>>So what, idiot? Is this the best you can do? He also described himself as a
>>motherfucker.
>So what? You lied by saying that he referred to your writing as
>eloquent. He said it was rhetoric (not complimentary). He said "Very
>flowery, eloquent rhetoric, but rhetorical nonetheless."
>Oh, and learn to read for comprehension, he did not describe himself
>as an evil motherfucker. He said that the AFA would probably consider
>him to be just as much an evil motherfucker as you. It's a description
>of you and a comment that others may consider him to be like you.
>You are so dumb.
Is that why he described my writing as eloquent, and acknowledged my "writing
ability?"
>>
>>If that were the case, you wouldn't spend so much time on me.
>It appeals to my sense of humor. Plus the fact that I enjoy pointing
>out your lies.
I'll go ahead and ignore you from now on, how's that?
Daedra Morrighan
>
>In article <7lioit0qvkk6rf2c9...@4ax.com>,
> Brian Blank <Iamnot...@home.spamblocker.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:58:00 GMT, Orac <or...@wlsfanmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <3B2C1690...@earthlink.net>,
>>> "Richard G. Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> > Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>
>>>> > > 8) the abolition of the wage system, bourgeois property, and all
>>>> > > elements of capitalism
>>>>
>>>> ================================
>>>> Phillips
>>>>
>>>> Good. Then you're a National Socialist.
>>>
>>>Heh heh. I don't think "Daedra" will like that at all.
>>
>>You know, sometimes, Richard can be very incisive.
>>Not often, but in this case, I think his description of Daedra is
>>correct.
>
>Indeed. My jaw dropped when I saw the utter appropriateness of his
>statement.
You're not really *that* dumb, are you? I have nothing in common with a Nazi.
Here are a few of the things that I advocate:
1) the abolition of all nation-states
2) the abolition of the nuclear family
3) a transition to communal childrearing
4) a transition to atheist and humanist values
5) the abolition of the "white race"
6) free love
7) revolutionary feminism
8) the abolition of the wage system, bourgeois property, and all
elements of capitalism
9) political and economic decentralization
10) democratic localism
Not a Nazi agenda. Quite the opposite, actually.
Daedra Morrighan
Founder: Black Vanguard
<http://www.pornonationalist.ws>
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of
Judaism, which is the huckster and the conditions that produce him,
the Jew will become impossible, because his consciousness will no
longer have a corresponding object."
- Karl Marx
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
****
Daedra Morrighan
I am friends with a few as well. There are a few Lesbian Avengers who have
joined our e-group, sexualist2. They were not necessarily acting on behalf of
the Lesbian Avengers as a whole. The Lesbian Avengers as a whole do not endorse
or disendorse my organization so far.
Sara
Morrighan <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
However, I am certain I can speak without dear of contradiction that
your disparaging references to me as "fat" and "sow" would be
universally disavowed by any avd every member of the Lesbian Avengers.
Sara
<Iamnot...@home.spamblocker.com> wrote:
Brian:
Since you do not know any members of the LA, I cannot believe that you
hate any one of them.
Personally, I can't say I have a deep and abiding love for every members
of LA. That's because I don't know them all, and also because, unlike
Daedra, I judge people as individuals, not as some massive monolithic
group. Some members of LA have been good friends of mine. Others have
been acquaintances. Others have been strangers.
I also don't take a single opinion (Daedra is a Monster Raving Loony,
for instance) to mean that ALL transgendered people are Monster Raving
Loonies, or that ALL people named Brandon are Monster Raving Loonies.
What Daedra cannot seem to grasp is that sie knows nothing of the
backgrounds, personalities, or belief systems of the people sie insults
here. Sie might find that quite a few people might sympathize with hir
transgendered feelings, yet cannot tolerate hir politics. Sie might find
many who support hir politics but cannot stomach hir sexual pretense.
Daedra has no way of knowing, for instance, whether you might in fact BE
a post-op. Or a pre-op. Or a no-op. Yet sie jumps in, hormones blazing,
flinging invective and spewing hatred.
Since I have not, in any way, commented on hir "transgendered" status
(and have carefully used the gender-neutral pronouns when addressing
hir), sie cannot use the "sexist" attack on me. Sie therefore, goes on
the "you're so fat," "you're a sow" attack. I can think of quite a few
memners of LA who would gladly clean hir clock for offensive comments
like that.
Oh, do I think sie is lying? Absolutely.
Is it unusual? No, it's absolutely par for the course.
Daedra Morrighan
Since some of my lovers are big beautiful women, I can't really regard "fat" as
an insult. "Sow" on the other hand is just silly. But your calling me "stupid"
and "ignorant" and "raving lunatic," can only be seen as insulting.
-- Daedra Morrighan
Daedra Morrighan
>
>
>
>Sara wrote:
>
>> In article <mI4X6.11965$pb1.4...@www.newsranger.com>,Brandon Orr, trying to
>> cloak his bigotry in the struggles and suffering of the truly transgendered
>> by callimg himself Daedra
>> Morrighan <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The Lesbian Avengers as a whole do not
>> > endorse
>> > or disendorse my organization so far.
>
>even dignify it with a disparagement.
As usual, Ms. Cohen gets it wrong. Several Lesbian Avengers have joined my
organization's e-group, sexualist2.
Since Cohen is anti-sex, pro-capitalist, and center-right politically, *she* is
the one who has essentially nothing in common with the Lesbian Avengers.
Brian Blank
>In article <7lioit0qvkk6rf2c9...@4ax.com>,
> Brian Blank <Iamnot...@home.spamblocker.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:58:00 GMT, Orac <or...@wlsfanmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <3B2C1690...@earthlink.net>,
>>> "Richard G. Phillips" <rgp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> > Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>
>>>> > > 8) the abolition of the wage system, bourgeois property, and all
>>>> > > elements of capitalism
>>>>
>>>> ================================
>>>> Phillips
>>>>
>>>> Good. Then you're a National Socialist.
>>>
>>>Heh heh. I don't think "Daedra" will like that at all.
>>
>>You know, sometimes, Richard can be very incisive.
>>Not often, but in this case, I think his description of Daedra is
>>correct.
>
>Indeed. My jaw dropped when I saw the utter appropriateness of his
>statement.
Agreed, simply amazing.
Richard, I congratulate you.
Regards,
Brian Blank
Brian Blank
<nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>In article <lhhpit82pa4o1mjsr...@4ax.com>, Brian Blank says...
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>According to chib...@earthlink.net, one of the most popular regulars
>>>>>in alt.atheism, I am "an extremely interesting,
>>>>>well-informed individual."
>>>>She also said the following: "Daedra is no slouch, but she rubs a lot
>>>>of people here the wrong way, which is too bad considering her obvious
>>>>talent and intelligence."
>>>
>>>"Obvious talent and intelligence" is never a description applied to someone not
>>>taken seriously.
>>Really? So what? This individual takes you seriously, but still thinks
>>that you rub a lot of people here the wrong way. When you first
>>started posting here, I thought that maybe you were i intelligent,
>>than after you started with your lies, it was obvious that in fact you
>>are just a troll. Then, with you inability to read and comprehend your
>>native language, together with your very poor writing skills, it soon
>>became obvious that in fact your level of intelligence is very low.
>>>
>>>He also noted that some people are angered by me. If I were a "joke," no one
>>>would be angered; they'd be amused.
>>They are amused. I am.
>
>No you're not. You're angry.
You have no idea how funny, I think you are.
>
>
>>>
>>>So what, idiot? Is this the best you can do? He also described himself as a
>>>motherfucker.
>>So what? You lied by saying that he referred to your writing as
>>eloquent. He said it was rhetoric (not complimentary). He said "Very
>>flowery, eloquent rhetoric, but rhetorical nonetheless."
>>Oh, and learn to read for comprehension, he did not describe himself
>>as an evil motherfucker. He said that the AFA would probably consider
>>him to be just as much an evil motherfucker as you. It's a description
>>of you and a comment that others may consider him to be like you.
>>You are so dumb.
>
>Is that why he described my writing as eloquent, and acknowledged my "writing
>ability?"
Two things, child. First, try reading what I said above and then note
how you asked the very question that it was refuting.
Two, get professional help, your constant need for positive
re-inforcement is going to get you committed, before you reach
adulthood.
>
>>>
>>>If that were the case, you wouldn't spend so much time on me.
>>It appeals to my sense of humor. Plus the fact that I enjoy pointing
>>out your lies.
>
>I'll go ahead and ignore you from now on, how's that?
Like you ignore posting evidence of your lies, thus proving to all and
sundry that you are a liar, a troll and a bigot.
Sure, you'll ignore me, it is so convenient for you.
It means I will get even more pleasure out of pointing out even more
of your lies.
Regards,
Brian Blank
T. E.
> Everyone already takes me seriously:
Simply put: I don't. Please revise the above to
state, at a minimum, "Everyone except T. Epstein
takes me seriously."
This should help you, should you claim truthfulness and
accuracy as components of your posting.
Thanks much,
--T. Epstein
Daedra Morrighan
Everyone takes me seriously. You may say you do not but that is only an attempt
to troll me.
Here is proof:
T. E.
> Everyone takes me seriously. You may say you do not but
> that is only an attempt to troll me.
>
> Here is proof:
[...]
> As T. Epstein put it, "Ewan is just a kid from Australia who
> enjoys trolling usentet for reactions. ... Oh and Morrighan
> is right, Ewan isn't a communist either."
Bzzzzt. Silly. Just because you were right about Ewan trolling,
my saying so does not constitute taking you seriously. Golly, if
Bozo the Clown said, "Ewan is having fun trolling," I'd react
the same way. But He'd still have a big red nose, long shoes
and a goofy smile, and I wouldn't take him seriously either.
Does this help you at all?
By the way, seeing how often you've quoted me in your list of
endorsements, and knowing that I indeed think of you as only
comic relief, ought to give readers pause to wonder how little
the others you quote actually regard you.
This sort of reminds me of the way producers of bad movies quote
critics in order to make it read like a good review.
Critic: "In spite of one moment of brilliant special effects,
the entire movie sucked canal water!"
Movie poster: Critics rave: "...Brilliant special effects...!"
Daedra Morrighan
>
>Susan Cohen wrote:
>
>> Oh, please! "Everyone but the general public takes Brandon Orr
>> seriously"
>> Now *that* would be much more honest.
>
>I expect that to be true; however, was speaking only for myself.
You were not being truthful.
Everyone takes me seriously. Here is proof:
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Source:
And here are sources to posts from some members of my organization.
T. E.
> - Susan Cohen wrote:
>
> - - Oh, please! "Everyone but the general public takes Brandon Orr
> - - seriously"
> - - Now *that* would be much more honest.
> -
> - I expect that to be true; however, was speaking only for myself.
>
> You were not being truthful.
Yes, I was... and am.
Daedra Morrighan
>
>
>
>"T. E." wrote:
>
>> Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>>
>> > Everyone already takes me seriously:
>>
>> Simply put: I don't. Please revise the above to
>> state, at a minimum, "Everyone except T. Epstein
>> takes me seriously."
>
>Now *that* would be much more honest.
>
Everyone takes me seriously. Here is proof:
Note: Certain lying trolls in alt.revisionism, soc.culture.jewish, and
sci.skeptic have referred to me as a 'he' and an 'it,' and also have claimed
that I am not taken seriously. This form of bigotry against transgendered women
is disgusting. But even worse is the lie that I am 'not taken seriously,' since
it is only a way to avoid presenting a genuine argument.
Since my organization exists and is growing, and I have significant support on
usenet and everywhere, it is a blatant lie when anyone claims that I am not
taken seriously.
This reminder will continue to be posted until I receive an apology from every
person here who has referred to me as a 'he,' 'it,' or has claimed that I am not
taken seriously.
(*Note: the following message will soon be posted constantly by an automated bot
set up so that it will be impossible to killfile.)
Sincerely,
Daedra Morrighan
____
More Proof that I am Taken Seriously
by Daedra Morrighan
Everyone takes me seriously.
However, since some persist in saying otherwise in order
to avoid having to present a real argument, you need to explain a few
things.
If I am not taken seriously,
Explain why my organization exists and is growing, as researchers like
Paul Kneisel, Officer James Harman, Prof. Raymond Franklin, and Dir.
Steve Beikirch have noted...
Explain why intelligent people say that I am taken very seriously. Note
that *none* of the following are "lurkers in email." They are *all*
people who have posted recently on Usenet...
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Ath...@home.com, stated that my "writing, grammar and punctuation
are excellent."
From: ath...@home.com (ath...@home.com)
Subject: Re: The New and True Alternative
Newsgroups: alt.activism.children, alt.atheism, alt.satanism
View complete thread (25 articles)
Date: 2000/07/07
di5p0...@hotmail.com referred to my writing as "eloquent" and said that any
statement that I am unintelligent would be "given lie" by my "writing ability."
<http://www.anti-fascism.org/special/bv/pk%20-%20fascism%20as%20necro%20-%20May%2024.html>
And here is a sample of sources to posts from members of my organization.
They joined my organization - if that isn't a defense of me, what is?
"Daedra: Christians and Jews aren't worthy to eat your shit."
Message 1 in thread
From: X (Xm...@johansmail.com)
Subject: Daedra
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, sci.skeptic, soc.culture.jewish,
alt.pagan
Date: 2001-06-11 12:21:09 PST
"Here are some links for your enlightenment, courtesy of Black
Vanguard..."
From: Nick (nicky_...@yahoo.co.uk)
Subject: Alternative Links -- via Black Vanguard
Newsgroups: alt.pagan.magick, alt.anarchism, alt.religion.wicca,
sci.skeptic,
alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
Date: 2001-05-26 09:19:14 PST
"Fun Things For Non-Christians To Do in Church"
From: Resister UK (resi...@looksmart.co.uk)
Subject: "Fun Things For Non-Christians To Do in Church"
Newsgroups: alt.pagan, alt.society.anarchy, alt.atheism, alt.music.black-metal,
alt.flame.jesus.christ
View complete thread (93 articles)
My organization's e-group, sexualist2, is growing rapidly. The successful
webmaster of http://www.taliesinthebard.com/ put it this way: "I will add
Daedra's link soon, and I'm interested in seeing what her e-group is about."
From: Tal (xxx...@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: Tal, is this true?
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
View complete thread (3 articles)
Date: 2001-06-17 16:25:42 PST
Thus is obvious that everyone takes me seriously, that I have an organization
which is growing, and that it is recognized as a threat to the status quo by
such researchers as Prof. Ray Franklin.
Daedra Morrighan
>>
>> > Everyone already takes me seriously:
>>
>> Simply put: I don't. Please revise the above to
>> state, at a minimum, "Everyone except T. Epstein
>> takes me seriously."
>
Daedra Morrighan
>
>Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>
>> Everyone takes me seriously. You may say you do not but
>> that is only an attempt to troll me.
>>
>> Here is proof:
>
>[...]
>
>> As T. Epstein put it, "Ewan is just a kid from Australia who
>> enjoys trolling usentet for reactions. ... Oh and Morrighan
>> is right, Ewan isn't a communist either."
>
>Bzzzzt. Silly. Just because you were right about Ewan trolling,
>my saying so does not constitute taking you seriously. Golly, if
>Bozo the Clown said, "Ewan is having fun trolling," I'd react
>the same way. But He'd still have a big red nose, long shoes
>and a goofy smile, and I wouldn't take him seriously either.
>
>Does this help you at all?
>
>By the way, seeing how often you've quoted me in your list of
>endorsements, and knowing that I indeed think of you as only
>comic relief, ought to give readers pause to wonder how little
>the others you quote actually regard you.
You are an idiot. I quoted you as agreeing that Ewan is a troll. I didn't imply
that you thought anything else.
You do take me very seriously; you say otherwise solely to avoid having to
present an actual argument.
Many of the others I quote have joined my organization's e-group, sexualist2. If
they didn't take me seriously, they would not have joined my e-group.
Some are actually members of my organization.
If they didn't take me seriously, they would not have joined my organization.
Rob Coats takes me seriously; he nominated me for quote of the month in
alt.atheism because I am an excellent writer:
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Ath...@home.com, stated that my "writing, grammar and punctuation are
excellent."
From: ath...@home.com (ath...@home.com)
Subject: Re: The New and True Alternative
Newsgroups: alt.activism.children, alt.atheism, alt.satanism
View complete thread (25 articles)
Date: 2000/07/07
di5p0...@hotmail.com referred to my writing as "eloquent" and said that any
statement that I am unintelligent would be "given lie" by my "writing ability."
Source:
<http://www.anti-fascism.org/special/bv/pk%20-%20fascism%20as%20necro%20-%20May%2024.html>
And here is a sample of sources to posts from members of my organization.
They joined my organization - if that isn't a defense of me, what is?
"Daedra: Christians and Jews aren't worthy to eat your shit."
Message 1 in thread
From: X (Xm...@johansmail.com)
Subject: Daedra
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, sci.skeptic, soc.culture.jewish,
alt.pagan
Date: 2001-06-11 12:21:09 PST
"Here are some links for your enlightenment, courtesy of Black
Vanguard..."
From: Nick (nicky_...@yahoo.co.uk)
Subject: Alternative Links -- via Black Vanguard
Newsgroups: alt.pagan.magick, alt.anarchism, alt.religion.wicca,
sci.skeptic,
alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
Date: 2001-05-26 09:19:14 PST
Daedra Morrighan
>
>> Everyone takes me seriously. You may say you do not but
>> that is only an attempt to troll me.
>>
>> Here is proof:
>
>[...]
>
>> As T. Epstein put it, "Ewan is just a kid from Australia who
>> enjoys trolling usentet for reactions. ... Oh and Morrighan
>> is right, Ewan isn't a communist either."
>
>Bzzzzt. Silly. Just because you were right about Ewan trolling,
>my saying so does not constitute taking you seriously. Golly, if
>Bozo the Clown said, "Ewan is having fun trolling," I'd react
>the same way. But He'd still have a big red nose, long shoes
>and a goofy smile, and I wouldn't take him seriously either.
>
>Does this help you at all?
>
>By the way, seeing how often you've quoted me in your list of
>endorsements, and knowing that I indeed think of you as only
>comic relief, ought to give readers pause to wonder how little
>the others you quote actually regard you.
You are an idiot. I quoted you as agreeing that Ewan is a troll. I didn't imply
that you thought anything else.
You do take me very seriously; you say otherwise solely to avoid having to
present an actual argument.
Many of the others I quote have joined my organization's e-group, sexualist2. If
they didn't take me seriously, they would not have joined my e-group.
Some are actually members of my organization.
If they didn't take me seriously, they would not have joined my organization.
Rob Coats takes me seriously; he nominated me for quote of the month in
alt.atheism because I am an excellent writer:
Rob Coats, a very respected commentator who sometimes posts on Usenet, regards
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Ath...@home.com, stated that my "writing, grammar and punctuation are
excellent."
From: ath...@home.com (ath...@home.com)
Subject: Re: The New and True Alternative
Newsgroups: alt.activism.children, alt.atheism, alt.satanism
View complete thread (25 articles)
Date: 2000/07/07
di5p0...@hotmail.com referred to my writing as "eloquent" and said that any
statement that I am unintelligent would be "given lie" by my "writing ability."
Source:
<http://www.anti-fascism.org/special/bv/pk%20-%20fascism%20as%20necro%20-%20May%2024.html>
And here is a sample of sources to posts from members of my organization.
They joined my organization - if that isn't a defense of me, what is?
"Daedra: Christians and Jews aren't worthy to eat your shit."
Message 1 in thread
From: X (Xm...@johansmail.com)
Subject: Daedra
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, sci.skeptic, soc.culture.jewish,
alt.pagan
Date: 2001-06-11 12:21:09 PST
"Here are some links for your enlightenment, courtesy of Black
Vanguard..."
From: Nick (nicky_...@yahoo.co.uk)
Subject: Alternative Links -- via Black Vanguard
Newsgroups: alt.pagan.magick, alt.anarchism, alt.religion.wicca,
sci.skeptic,
alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
Date: 2001-05-26 09:19:14 PST
Brian Blank
<vang...@antisocial.com> wrote:
>In article <3B2E501C...@agere.com>, "T. says...
>>
>>Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>>
>>> Everyone already takes me seriously:
>>
>>Simply put: I don't. Please revise the above to
>>state, at a minimum, "Everyone except T. Epstein
>>takes me seriously."
>>
>>This should help you, should you claim truthfulness and
>>accuracy as components of your posting.
>>
>>Thanks much,
>>
>>--T. Epstein
>
>Everyone takes me seriously. You may say you do not but that is only an attempt
>to troll me.
>
>Here is proof:
Good grief, it is Alex Vange in drag!
Yet another bigoted troll who has no understanding of a simple word
like "proof."
Regards,
Brian Blank
Brian Blank
<vang...@antisocial.com> wrote:
Here is a note from Paul Kneisel about you:
<begin quote> I could care less about Brandon Orr.
My interest is what we can learn about fascism by investigating his
psychopathology.
What Orr likes or doesn't like is of little interest to me, and I
certainly
won't permit either to determine how I work.
In short, the whole thrust of my writing that mentions Orr is very
much
*not* about him personally.<end quote>
Well that sums up you then.
Regards,
Brian Blank
T. E.
>
> -- Everyone takes me seriously. You may say you do not but
> -- that is only an attempt to troll me.
> --
> -- Here is proof:
> -
> -[...]
> -
> -- As T. Epstein put it, "Ewan is just a kid from Australia who
> -- enjoys trolling usentet for reactions. ... Oh and Morrighan
> -- is right, Ewan isn't a communist either."
>
> - Bzzzzt. Silly. Just because you were right about Ewan trolling,
> - my saying so does not constitute taking you seriously. Golly, if
> - Bozo the Clown said, "Ewan is having fun trolling," I'd react
> - the same way. But He'd still have a big red nose, long shoes
> - and a goofy smile, and I wouldn't take him seriously either.
>
> - Does this help you at all?
> -
> - By the way, seeing how often you've quoted me in your list of
> - endorsements, and knowing that I indeed think of you as only
> - comic relief, ought to give readers pause to wonder how little
> - the others you quote actually regard you.
>
> You are an idiot. I quoted you as agreeing that Ewan is a troll.
> I didn't imply that you thought anything else.
Bzzzzt! Oh the tragedy when spammers post to umpteen newsgroups,
for they forget what they sent out. Here's an excerpt from spam you
titled, "T. Epstein Takes Me Seriously," that you sent to alt.re-
visionism, alt.atheism, soc.culture.jewish, sci.skeptic and alt.pol-
itics:
"T. Epstein takes me seriously, and has admitted as much in the
past."
And that was followed later by the same tired quotes, including
the my own about Ewan as the only support.
Regardless, let's imagine sometime in the past I took you seriously.
After reading enough of your spam and statements about yourself that
border on the fantastic and weigh heavily into the comical, I cert-
ainly don't take you seriously now. How could I? You're simply too
much of a cartoon. Nope. I don't buy it.
You really need to read your own writing. You're missing out on some
funny stuff.
> You do take me very seriously; you say otherwise solely to avoid
> having to present an actual argument.
As I noted elsewhere, The only "argument" we've had is about whether
I take you seriously. Obviously I have no trouble arguing with you
-- in fact, given that you would require clairvoyance to make your
assertion, it's pretty funny and oddly appropriate for sci-skeptic.
> Many of the others I quote have joined my organization's e-group,
> sexualist2. If they didn't take me seriously, they would not have
> joined my e-group.
Many more people join the Flat Earth Society. I don't take them ser-
iously either. Many people join any group that is remotely associated
with sex. I don't take them seriously either.
> Some are actually members of my organization.
> If they didn't take me seriously, they would not have joined my
> organization.
Many who join the Flat Earth Society don't take it seriously either.
Besides, the only question I'm addressing is whether "everyone" takes
you seriously. The only person I can speak for is I. I think you're
a jokester.
[Same old spam, snipped.]
trippy
<mI4X6.11965$pb1.4...@www.newsranger.com>, said the following tripped
out things:
> I am friends with a few as well. There are a few Lesbian Avengers who have
> joined our e-group, sexualist2. They were not necessarily acting on behalf of
> the Lesbian Avengers as a whole. The Lesbian Avengers as a whole do not endorse
> or disendorse my organization so far.
The lesbian avengers.
Wasn't that some bad 'B' movie series from the 70's?
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(I pity the fool, who doesn't take out Mr.T. before e-mailing me)
Home froup: aavf3
Skepticult # 365-12149-907
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I Am Spooge too.
Just another fucking ray of sunshine, to brighten your fucking day.
MEOW
Fredric L. Rice
> This dude "Daedra Morrighan" nos...@newsranger.com, in article
> <mI4X6.11965$pb1.4...@www.newsranger.com>, said the following tripped
> out things:
> > I am friends with a few as well. There are a few Lesbian Avengers who have
> > joined our e-group, sexualist2. They were not necessarily acting on behalf of
> > the Lesbian Avengers as a whole. The Lesbian Avengers as a whole do not endorse
> > or disendorse my organization so far.
>
> The lesbian avengers.
> Wasn't that some bad 'B' movie series from the 70's?
<heh> Could actually be. }:-} In the real world they visited
a Christian hate cult and unleashed a "plague" upon the hate
cult's offices by releasing bugs. I'll post it next.
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Since the subject came up, I thought I'd post the reference.
"Lesbians with bugs" has become an amusing, classical piece
and it's available entirely at HolySmoke. I think it's only been
done once. }:-} A shame, if so.
An amusing extract:
SAN RAFAEL, CALIF., FEBRUARY 8, 1995 -- The San
Francisco Lesbian Avengers summoned a "plague of locusts"
onto Exodus International today, a cult-like organization whose
mission is to "cure" people of their homosexuality. The San
Francisco Avengers chose to target Exodus because "conversion"
programs, a largely invisible form of Christian Right organizing,
have profoundly devastating effects on lesbian, bisexual, and gay
people.
"If anyone deserves a plague of Biblical proportions right now,
it's the Radical Right," said Avenger Liz Harris.
Five Avengers stormed the organization's headquarters,
carrying signs proclaiming "Queer Love Is Not A Disease," and
chanting "Exodus, stop your hate and fear! Help like yours is
killing queers!" Once inside, the activists climbed onto the reception
desk, shouted "We don't need to be cured," and released 1,000
"locusts" (crickets) in an attempt to shut the operation down. The
Exodus staff watched dumbfounded as a swarming pile of crickets
spread across their office floor. One woman picked up the phone
and dialed 911, shaking as she said, "There are lesbians here with
bugs." By the time she was able to convince the police that it wasn't
a prank call, the Avengers were on their way back to San Francisco.
...cuts...
Allan Matthews
says...
a bunch of stuff that is off-topic in alt.revisionism.
Please don't emulate the abusive crossposting of the BrandonBot.
allan
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Rev Fredric L. Rice
>In article <3B33A02C...@skeptictank.org>, fr...@skeptictank.org
>says...
>a bunch of stuff that is off-topic in alt.revisionism.
>Please don't emulate the abusive crossposting of the BrandonBot.
Fuck off and eat shit, mother fucker. You don't own anything but that
dick in your hand, certainly not Usenet.
Thanks.
>allan
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> allan_matthews[at]bigfoot[dot]com
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> It moved me, Bob."
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