Benny Morris on Zionist Transfer Policy: "the penchant among Yishuv leaders to regard transfer as a legitimate solution to the "Arab problem."
HHW
Zionist Transfer Policy
Another crucial precondition was the penchant among Yishuv leaders to
regard transfer as a legitimate solution to the "Arab problem."
Recently declassified Zionist documents demonstrated the virtual
consensus emerged among the Zionist leadership, the the wake of the
publication in July 1937 of the Peel Commission recommendations, in
favor of the transfer of at least several hundred thousand Palestinian
Arabs--if not all of them-- out of the areas of the Jewish state-to-
be. The tone was set by Ben-Gurion himself in June 1938:
"I support compulsory [Palestinian Arab population] transfer. I do not
see in it anything immoral."
Ben-Gurion's views did not change--though he was aware of the need,
for a tactical reasons, to be discreet. In 1944, at a meeting of the
Jewish Agency Executive discussing how the Zionist movement should
deal with the British Labor Party decision to recommend the transfer
of Palestinian Arabs, he said:
"When I heard these things. . . I had to ponder the matter long and
hard ....[but] I reached the conclusion that this matter [had best]
remain [in the Labor Party Program] . . . Were I asked what should be
our program, it would not occur to me to tell them transfer . . .
because speaking about the matter might harm [us] . . . in world
opinion, because it might give the impression that there is no room in
the Land of Israel without ousting the Arabs [and] . . . it would
alert and antagonize the Arabs . . ."
Ben-Gurion added,
"The transfer of Arabs is easier than the transfer of any other
[people]. There are Arabs states around . . . And it is clear that if
the [Palestinian] Arabs are transferred this would improve their
situation and not the opposite."
None of the members of the Executive opposed or questioned these
views; most spoke in favor. Moshe Sharett, director of the Jewish
Agency's Political Department, declared:
"Transfer could be the crowning achievements, the final stage in the
development of [our] policy, but certainly not the point of departure.
By [speaking publicly and prematurely] we could mobilizing vast forces
against the matter and cause it to fail, in advance."
And he added:
"[W]hen the Jewish state is established--it is very possible that the
result will be transfer of Arabs."
On February 7, 1948, three months into the war, Ben-Gurion told
Mapai's Central Committee that in Jerusalem's Western neighborhoods,
from which the Arabs had fled or been expelled, he had seen:
"no strangers [Palestinian Arabs]. Not since Jerusalem's destruction
in the days of the Romans has it been so Jewish. . . . I do not assume
this will change. . . . And what happened in Jerusalem . . . could
well happen in great parts of the country . . if we hold one, it is
very possible that in coming six to eight or ten months of the war
there will take place great changes. . . . Certainly there will be
great changes in the composition of the population of the country."
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jgarbuz
> Zionist Transfer Policy
>
> Another crucial precondition was the penchant among Yishuv leaders to
> regard transfer as a legitimate solution to the "Arab problem."
> Recently declassified Zionist documents demonstrated the virtual
> consensus emerged among the Zionist leadership, the the wake of the
> publication in July 1937 of the Peel Commission recommendations, in
> favor of the transfer of at least several hundred thousand Palestinian
> Arabs--if not all of them-- out of the areas of the Jewish state-to-
> be. The tone was set by Ben-Gurion himself in June 1938:<
Oh, sure, earlier than that. By the massacres of 1929, it was already
evident that the Arab "leadership" was going to continue to use
violence to oppose the League of Nations Mandate
sanctioning unlimited Jewish immigration and the restoration of a
Jewish National Home, where the Arabs would become a loyal minority.
That apparently was not going to happen. In fact, the Jewish Agency
was putting out feelers to Emir Abdullah of the new Kingdom of
Transjordan to buy land there in order to offer it to Palestinian
Arabs in replacement of land lost in western Palestine, and to offer
them much larger plots than they would be leaving behind. Abdullah had
no objections, as he was hard up for money, to reduce his dependence
on British aid. He was quite willing to sell land for that purpose,
but when word leaked out, Arab public pressure, as well as British
objections, put an end to that happening. The Arab uprising of
1936-1939 was put down brutally by the British, but the Royal Peel
commission came to Palestine in 1937 to hear Arab grievances and the
Jewish side of the story, and they came away feeling that there could
be no satisfactory other than Partition. But the Arabs wouldn't hear
of it, offering nothing more than an Arab Palestine with certain
"guarantees" to the Jewish minority, but immigration would have to
stop. That was a deal killer for the Jews, who did not come to
Palestine to live as dhimmis again in another backwards Arab country.
So all ideas were bandied about, including transfer of ARabs to Jordan
presumably paid for by Jewish funds to buy land for them there..
> "I support compulsory [Palestinian Arab population] transfer. I do not
> see in it anything immoral."<
"Transfer" didn't mean expulsion without compensation, as happened to
the Jews of Medina, or Spain, or Germany, or Russia, etc. it meant
paying the Arabs to move east to make room for Jews.
> Ben-Gurion's views did not change--though he was aware of the need,
> for a tactical reasons, to be discreet. In 1944, at a meeting of the
> Jewish Agency Executive discussing how the Zionist movement should
> deal with the British Labor Party decision to recommend the transfer
> of Palestinian Arabs, he said:
>
> "When I heard these things. . . I had to ponder the matter long and
> hard ....[but] I reached the conclusion that this matter [had best]
> remain [in the Labor Party Program] . . . Were I asked what should be
> our program, it would not occur to me to tell them transfer . . .
> because speaking about the matter might harm [us] . . . in world
> opinion, because it might give the impression that there is no room in
> the Land of Israel without ousting the Arabs [and] . . . it would
> alert and antagonize the Arabs . . ."
>
> Ben-Gurion added,
>
> "The transfer of Arabs is easier than the transfer of any other
> [people]. There are Arabs states around . . . And it is clear that if
> the [Palestinian] Arabs are transferred this would improve their
> situation and not the opposite."<
He was absolutely correct. When Jews were expelled from a zillion
places, there were no Jewish countries to go to. The Arabs have dozens
of Arab countries, with the same race, language, religion, etc. When
the Jews were forced out of Arab countries after 1948, for the first
time in 2000 years, they had a Jewish country to go to. And unlike the
Palestinian Arabs whom the Arab states refused to absorb, the tiny,
poor, new little Jewish state, with no oil, or gold or anything,
managed, with the help of aid from Jewish communities, German
reparations, and US aid, to do it, but it was not easy. Many new
immigrants had to live in tents, then shacks, and finally very tiny,
cramped apartment that most Americans wouldn't live in if their lives
depended it on it. Jordan was the only Arab country that did make an
effort to integrate Palestinian refugees but even there they didn't
have full rights for a very long time.
> None of the members of the Executive opposed or questioned these
> views; most spoke in favor. Moshe Sharett, director of the Jewish
> Agency's Political Department, declared:
>
> "Transfer could be the crowning achievements, the final stage in the
> development of [our] policy, but certainly not the point of departure.
> By [speaking publicly and prematurely] we could mobilizing vast forces
> against the matter and cause it to fail, in advance."
>
> And he added:
>
> "[W]hen the Jewish state is established--it is very possible that the
> result will be transfer of Arabs."
>
> On February 7, 1948, three months into the war, Ben-Gurion told
> Mapai's Central Committee that in Jerusalem's Western neighborhoods,
> from which the Arabs had fled or been expelled, he had seen:
>
> "no strangers [Palestinian Arabs]. Not since Jerusalem's destruction
> in the days of the Romans has it been so Jewish. . . . I do not assume
> this will change. . . . And what happened in Jerusalem . . . could
> well happen in great parts of the country . . if we hold one, it is
> very possible that in coming six to eight or ten months of the war
> there will take place great changes. . . . Certainly there will be
> great changes in the composition of the population of the country."
>
> [Click here for more "transfer" (Ethnic Cleansing) Zionist quotes]
<
"Transfer" is NOT ethnic cleansing. What Muhammad did to the Jews was
ethnic cleansing, kicking them out and stealing their wealth. Nobody
in Israel seriously proposed that. Transfer meant securing land for
them east of the Jordan river to replace the property they would be
giving up in what became Israel.
dsha...@gmail.com
> Zionist Transfer Policy
> Another crucial precondition was the penchant among Yishuv leaders to
> regard transfer as a legitimate solution to the "Arab problem."
> Recently declassified Zionist documents demonstrated the virtual
> consensus emerged among the Zionist leadership, the the wake of the
> publication in July 1937 of the Peel Commission recommendations, in
> favor of the transfer of at least several hundred thousand Palestinian
> Arabs--if not all of them-- out of the areas of the Jewish state-to-
> be.
This isn't Benny Morris. It's the Abu Shitta Palliebull fertilizer
factory, which HHW has only recently discovered.
>The tone was set by Ben-Gurion himself in June 1938:
> "I support compulsory [Palestinian Arab population] transfer. I do not
> see in it anything immoral."
Missed the previous correction of your falsified quote, did you,
Hunter?
On Feb 28, 7:52 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"I am for compulsory transfer; I do not see anything immoral in it."
> David Ben-Gurion to the Jewish Agency Executive, June 1938
No source, naturally. In any case, the quote has -- predictably --
been falsified.
The alleged quote -- "I support compulsory transfer. I do not see in
it anything immoral ..." -- is out of context. In the records of the
JAE meeting of 12 June 1937, Ben-Gurion stated: "I saw in the Peel
Plan two positive things: the ideas of state and compulsory transfer.
I support compulsory transfer. I don't see in it anything immoral, but
compulsory transfer can only be effected by England and not by the
Jews..Not only is it inconceivable for us to carry it out, but it is
also inconceivable for us to propose it."
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Deborah
dsha...@gmail.com
> > Zionist Transfer Policy
> > Another crucial precondition was the penchant among Yishuv leaders to
> > regard transfer as a legitimate solution to the "Arab problem."
> > Recently declassified Zionist documents demonstrated the virtual
> > consensus emerged among the Zionist leadership, the the wake of the
> > publication in July 1937 of the Peel Commission recommendations, in
> > favor of the transfer of at least several hundred thousand Palestinian
> > Arabs--if not all of them-- out of the areas of the Jewish state-to-
> > be. The tone was set by Ben-Gurion himself in June 1938:<
[flush]
> "Transfer" is NOT ethnic cleansing. What Muhammad did to the Jews was
> ethnic cleansing, kicking them out and stealing their wealth. Nobody
> in Israel seriously proposed that. Transfer meant securing land for
> them east of the Jordan river to replace the property they would be
> giving up in what became Israel.
Chill, Jack. The quote was falsified by HHW's Palliebull source.
Actual quote, from the records of the JAE meeting of 12 June 1937:
"I saw in the Peel Plan two positive things: the ideas of state and
compulsory transfer. I support compulsory transfer. I don't see in
it anything immoral, but compulsory transfer can only be effected
by England and not by the Jews..Not only is it inconceivable for
us to carry it out, but it is also inconceivable for us to propose
it."
Deborah
jgarbuz
> > On Mar 25, 7:17 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Zionist Transfer Policy
> > > Another crucial precondition was the penchant among Yishuv leaders to
> > > regard transfer as a legitimate solution to the "Arab problem."
> > > Recently declassified Zionist documents demonstrated the virtual
> > > consensus emerged among the Zionist leadership, the the wake of the
> > > publication in July 1937 of the Peel Commission recommendations, in
> > > favor of the transfer of at least several hundred thousand Palestinian
> > > Arabs--if not all of them-- out of the areas of the Jewish state-to-
> > > be. The tone was set by Ben-Gurion himself in June 1938:<
>
The main point that needs stressing, is that "transfer" is not
deportation or expulsion and theft of property. It is transferring
with more than fair compensation to replace any property left behind.
dsha...@gmail.com
> > [flush]
On Mar 26, 7:25 am, jgarbuz <jgar...@netzero.com> wrote:
> The main point that needs stressing, is that "transfer" is not
> deportation or expulsion and theft of property. It is transferring
> with more than fair compensation to replace any property left behind.
Indeed. And in this case, it was the British who first proposed it.
When the antisemites natter on about Herzl having touched on the
subject, they always neglect to mention that the populace he was
talking about transferring was the JEWISH populace. In any case, the
idea never had any more weight than something the JAE was batting
around.
Deborah