Can Jews be Nazis?
Su Solomon
>
> fyf...@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in message news:<936eaee8.02081...@posting.google.com>...
> > "The Enlightenment" <bern...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:<Rws59.3760
> > snipped...
> > > Its amazing to thing that the biggest genocide in History: the Ukranian and
> > > Russian genocide was commited by boshevicks who were 85% jews.
> > > 20 mmillion people died. 4 million in the Ukrain alone. Much larget than
> > > the 5.2-5.7 million Jews in WW2.
> > >
> > > Jews under the guise of Bolshevism killed more than Germans under the guise
> > > of Nazism. Indeed the Nazis were definetly reacting to Bolshevick Jewish
> > > attrocitieties in the sovieit Union and had experienced short lived
> > > communist revolutions in Germany and Hungary after WW1 lead by Jews. The
> > > evidence of jewsh domination was undeniable.
> > >
> > > "Beat them, Red Fighters, clobber them to death, if it is the last thing you
> > > do! Right away! This minute! Now! . . . Slaughter them, Red Army Fighters,
> > > Stamp harder on the rising lids of their rancid coffins! (Isaac Babel,
> > > described by Cynthia Ozick (2001, 3) as "an acutely conscious Jew,"
> > > propagandizing for the Bolshevik Revolution; in Ozick 2001, 4)"
> >
> > Crime committed by organized groups in which the Jews formed a part
> > should not be blamed upon the ordinary Jewish people. The Japanese
> > troops performed masscres in the second world war but the ordinary
> > people in Japan should not be held responsible for that.
> >
> > FP
>
> You post is irrelevant to the substance of my argument. Ofcourse
> today jews should not be blamed for the deaths of millions of peopkle
> at jewsh hands in the 1920s, however those that have a 'blind spot'
> over remembering this deserve condemnation as do those who use the
> holocause for hypocritcal political purposes.
>
> The fact is that the 'holocaust' is used as a politcal tool to
> manipulate the present. It is built on series of myths and hypocisies
> and lies.
>
> Thje holcaust is used to blame and impress guilt on the present white
> peoples of the world. This is clearly hypocsiy and a deception.
>
> These are myths:
> 1 The Holocaust was Unique. It was not.
> 2 The holocuast was the biggest organised genocide this century. It
> was not.
> The Ukranian genocide was bigger.
> 3 The Ukranian, baltic and Russian gneocides were commited by non
> jews. it was not. They were commited predominantlly by jews a seniur
> levels. War criminals that got away with it ans were helped by their
> western co-religionists.
>
> This is the irony, the bigest gneocide of the 20th century was not the
> 'holocaust' nor even the Armenian genocide.
>
> It was the genocide of Ukranians, all 4 million of them, and it was
> commited by Jews.
>
> Concerning the Jews and Communism Out of 556 important functionaries
> of the
> Bolshevik State. . .
>
> There Were in 1918-1919:457 Jews...But Only...17 Russians, 2
> Ukrainians, 11
> Armenians, 35 Letts, 15 Germans, 1 Hungarian, 10 Georgians, 3 Poles, 3
> Finns, 1 Karaim
>
> Here are the research statistics from the published historical studies
> in
> detail...
>
> "Last Days of the Romanovs," by Robert Wilton, T.
> Butterworth/London/1920,
> George H. Doran Publishers/New York/1920, Institute for Historical
> Review/Virginia Beach CA/2nd Printing 1996, pp. 184-185 -- According
> to the
> data furnished by the Soviet press, out of 556 important functionaries
> of
> the Bolshevik State. . . there were in 1918-1919, 17 Russians, 2
> Ukrainians,
> 11 Armenians, 35 Letts, 15 Germans, 1 Hungarian, 10 Georgians, 3
> Poles, 3
> Finns, 1 Karaim, 457 Jews.
>
> (Encyclopaedia Britannica, Vol. XIII, p. 912) -- "In 1907, May 13 thru
> June
> 1, a fifth Congress of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party was
> held,
> this time in London. This was the last one held before the 1917
> revolution
> in Czarist Russia. Present: The Bolsheviks, led by Lenin---91
> delegates
> [mostly Jews] The Mensheviks, led by Martov and Dan [JEWS] -- 89
> delegates
> The Polish Social Democrats, led by Rosa Luxemborg [JEW] -- 44
> delegates The
> Jewish Bund, led by Rafael Abramovitch and M.I. Lieber [JEWS)---55
> delegates. The Lettish Social Democrats, led by 'Comrade Herman'
> Danishevsky
> Lenin [JEW] appeared on the scene, after an absence of nine years."
>
> "The Surrender of an Empire," Nesta H. Webster, Boswell Printing and
> Publishing Company, Ltd., 10 Essex St., London, W.C.2, 1931, p. 77 --
> The
> Germans, not realizing that he would be anything more than a trouble
> maker
> for their World War I enemy, Russia, passed him and his party (exact
> number
> disputed -- about 200?) In a sealed train from Switzerland to the
> Russian
> border. In Lenin's sealed train, "Out of a list of 165 names
> published, 23
> are Russian, 3 Georgian, 4 Armenian, 1 German, and 128 Jewish."
>
> "The Surrender of an Empire," Nesta H. Webster, Boswell Printing and
> Publishing Company, Ltd., 10 Essex St., London, W.C.2, 1931, p. 73 --
> T"At
> about the same time, Trotsky arrived from the United States, followed
> by
> over 300 Jews from the East End of New York and joined up with the
> Bolshevik
> Party".
>
> Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. IX, p. 668 -- Thus under Lenin,
> whose
> birth-name was Ulianov and whose racial antecedents are uncertain, and
> under
> Leon Trotsky, a Jew, whose birth -name was Bronstein, a small number
> of
> highly trained Jews from abroad, along with Russian Judaized Khazan
> and
> non-Jewish captives to the Marxian ideology, were able to make
> themselves
> masters of Russia. "Individual revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov --
> played
> a conspicuous part in the revolution of November, 1917, which enabled
> the
> Bolshevists to take possession of the state apparatus".
>
> [Archivist's and Librarian's Notations.] Here and there in the
> Universal
> Jewish Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of Russian
> Communism, but not Lenin and Stalin. Both of these, however, are said
> by
> some writers to be half-Jewish. In addition, Stalin was married to a
> Jewish
> lady, whose husband, Lazar Kaganovich murdered 35 million Christians
> and
> burned down cathedrals, publishing statements of note in Russian
> newspapers
> about the new world he was creating by doing this. Whatever the racial
> antecedents of their top men, the first Soviet commissariats were
> largely
> staffed with Jews and the Commissar of Commissars was Leon Trotsky
> [real
> name "Bronstein"], a radical, atheist Jew who spent time while exiled
> from
> Russia in New York City with hundreds of other active, radical
> socialist/communist Jews from the Eastern European Pale. The Jewish
> position
> in the Communist movement was well understood in Russia.
>
> Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. I, p. 336 -- "The White Armies
> which
> opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as common
> enemies".
>
> Those interested in the ratio of Jews to others in the government in
> the
> early days of Communist rule in Russia should, if possible, see Les
> derniers
> jours des Romanof (The Last Days of the Romanovs) by Robert Wilton,
> long the
> Russian correspondent of the London Times quoted above and below.
>
> A summary of its vital passages is included in the "Foreword to Third
> Edition" of The Mystical Body of Christ in the Modern World (Brown and
> Nolan
> , Limited Waterford, Dublin, Belfast, Cork, London, 1939, 1947) by
> Rev.
> Dinis Fahey, a well-known Irish professor of philosophy and Church
> history.
> Professor Fahey gives names and nationality of the members of the
> Council of
> Peoples Commissars, the Central Executive Committee, and the
> Extraordinary
> Commissions, and in summary quotes from Wilton.
>
> "Last Days of the Romanovs," by Robert Wilton, T.
> Butterworth/London/1920,
> George H. Doran Publishers/New York/1920, Institute for Historical
> Review/Virginia Beach CA/2nd Printing 1996, pp. 184-185 -- According
> to the
> data furnished by the Soviet press, out of 556 important functionaries
> of
> the Bolshevik State. . . there were in 1918-1919, 17 Russians, 2
> Ukrainians,
> 11 Armenians, 35 Letts, 15 Germans, 1 Hungarian, 10 Georgians, 3
> Poles, 3
> Finns, 1 Karaim, 457 Jews.
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BernardZ
>
> > These are myths:
> > 1 The Holocaust was Unique. It was not.
I am not aware of any other mass murder whose purpose was to destroy a
people.
> > 2 The holocuast was the biggest organised genocide this century. It
> > was not.
> > The Ukranian genocide was bigger.
(a)
The Ukraine was a massacre not a genocide.
It is a legal term coined by lawyers during WW2 to describe a new
concept in law.
gen·o·cide (jen'?-sid')
n.
The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial,
political, or ethnic group.
[Greek genos, race + –CIDE.]
gen'o·cid'al (-sid'l) adj.
gen'o·cid'al·ly adv.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
> > 3 The Ukranian, baltic and Russian gneocides were commited by non
> > jews. it was not. They were commited predominantlly by jews a seniur
> > levels. War criminals that got away with it ans were helped by their
> > western co-religionists.
Wrong. Stalin was a Georgian who hated Jews. He arrested many Jews too.
> >
> > This is the irony, the bigest gneocide of the 20th century was not the
> > 'holocaust' nor even the Armenian genocide.
see (a) above
Harry Snape
>
> In article <3D58CC...@ozemail.com.au>, su_...@ozemail.com.au says...
> >
> > > These are myths:
> > > 1 The Holocaust was Unique. It was not.
>
> I am not aware of any other mass murder whose purpose was to destroy a
> people.
Serbia versus Bosnia
I think the Nazi's win on organisation, the clarity of the stated goal
and the relentlessness. The above would probably have stopped once the
balance was overwhelmingly in their favour. The Nazis would have
continued
until the last Jew was killed. Even as the allies were hurtling toward
Germany and manpower and war material was at a premium these bozos
would still use trains and soldiers to round-up and murder Jewish
civilians.
Su Solomon
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The Enlightenment
"BernardZ" <Bern...@FlagMail.com to reply delete Flag> wrote in message
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> In article <3D58CC...@ozemail.com.au>, su_...@ozemail.com.au says...
> >
> > > These are myths:
> > > 1 The Holocaust was Unique. It was not.
>
> I am not aware of any other mass murder whose purpose was to destroy a
> people.
>
> > > 2 The holocuast was the biggest organised genocide this century. It
> > > was not.
> > > The Ukranian genocide was bigger.
>
> (a)
> The Ukraine was a massacre not a genocide.
It was a deliberat mass starvation, mass shooting, mass working to death.
Apart from lack of gas chambers they had mass graves, torture everything,
camps
racism etc. It took years.
Seeing this influenced the Nazis.
The murders provoked many of the victims to avenge themseves against jews
who they saw as their mass killers 15 years later when the nazis controlled
europe
and the baltic states.
>
>
> It is a legal term coined by lawyers during WW2 to describe a new
> concept in law.
>
> gen·o·cide (jen'?-sid')
> n.
> The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial,
> political, or ethnic group.
If not for WW2 going bad for the Nazis would simply have expelled jews as
they did from
germany or transported them to madagascar.
However more people were exterminated by the bolsheviks at the height of
jewish power than the Nazis did.
>
> [Greek genos, race + -CIDE.]
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------>
>
> > > 3 The Ukranian, baltic and Russian gneocides were commited by non
> > > jews. it was not. They were commited predominantlly by jews a seniur
> > > levels. War criminals that got away with it ans were helped by their
> > > western co-religionists.
>
> Wrong. Stalin was a Georgian who hated Jews. He arrested many Jews too.
Stalin came to power in 1928. Most of the genocidal murders were commited
while
jews were in power.
Stalin, Joseph, 1879 -- 1953. Georgian Marxist revolutionary and later
virtual dictator of the USSR (1928--53). Born in Gori, Georgia ...
Description: Offers a short biography of Joseph Stalin
Most of the mass murders of the soviet Union were commited at the height of
jewish power. (20 million)
Jews were not targeted.
Then Stalin came to power
Stalin hated everyone and targeted jews more to purge them from power than
anything.
The communit evolution was essentialy and ethnic struggle under the guise of
communism and it was lead by jews.
Much of it was funded form overseas.
>
> > >
> > > This is the irony, the bigest gneocide of the 20th century was not the
> > > 'holocaust' nor even the Armenian genocide.
>
If some particular group was killing 50% of my people i'd be jst as
agressive as if it was
100%.
The Jewish/bolschevik genocide is inextricably intertwined with the
holocaust.
Vicki
"Su Solomon" <su_...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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I see, they went out and singlehandly killed each and everyone with no help
from the people.
> > This is the irony, the bigest gneocide of the 20th century was not the
> > 'holocaust' nor even the Armenian genocide.
> >
Were the Jews also responsible for the Armenian
genocide? How about Cambodian?
> > It was the genocide of Ukranians, all 4 million of them, and it was
> > commited by Jews.
> >
A handful of Jews according to you killed
4 million people. How is that?
As if the people of those countries who did this thing are some how not
responsible. Only following
orders I suppose, uh?
The Jews did it.
Was Stalin also a Jew?
The German government as well as other governments
allowed Lenin to travel safey to Russia
knowing full well what was up. In Germany
he travel by train unhindered
that he might help stir up a revolution.
That you say the Germans were responding against.
That doesn't make sense to me.
Those in power were not benevolent rulers.
Even so this does not justify what did happen.
It just cannot be blamed on a a number of Jews
in name only who held positions of power.
The people were as barbaric as those in power.
if this was not so, it could never have happened.
Vicki
Su Solomon
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torresD
The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe
reply delete Flag> wrote:
>In article <3D58CC...@ozemail.com.au>, su_...@ozemail.com.au says...
>>
>> > These are myths:
>> > 1 The Holocaust was Unique. It was not.
>
>I am not aware of any other mass murder whose purpose was to destroy a
>people.
>
>> > 2 The holocuast was the biggest organised genocide this century. It
>> > was not.
>> > The Ukranian genocide was bigger.
>
>(a)
>The Ukraine was a massacre not a genocide.
>
>
>It is a legal term coined by lawyers during WW2 to describe a new
>concept in law.
>
>gen·o·cide (jen'?-sid')
>n.
>The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial,
>political, or ethnic group.
This clearly does not apply here then, as only European and North
African jews were affected.
Deborah
>Yes.
Can torresD produce substantiated facts and/or
exhibit any intelligence?
No.
Deborah
Susan Cohen
Harry Snape wrote:
> BernardZ wrote:
> >
> > In article <3D58CC...@ozemail.com.au>, su_...@ozemail.com.au says...
> > >
> > > > These are myths:
> > > > 1 The Holocaust was Unique. It was not.
> >
> > I am not aware of any other mass murder whose purpose was to destroy a
> > people.
> Tutsi vs Hutu
> Serbia versus Bosnia
>
> I think the Nazi's win on organisation, the clarity of the stated goal
> and the relentlessness.
Right. That's the point abuot saying the Holocausr was unique.
Not that it was the worst tragedy in the world, but unique.
> The above would probably have stopped once the
> balance was overwhelmingly in their favour. The Nazis would have
> continued
> until the last Jew was killed. Even as the allies were hurtling toward
> Germany and manpower and war material was at a premium these bozos
> would still use trains and soldiers to round-up and murder Jewish
> civilians.
Yup.
Susan
Vicki
"Su Solomon" <su_...@dozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> You had better address this to the 'Enlightenment':
> Message-ID: <39556695.02081...@posting.google.com>
>
> thats who I reposted this from on aus.politics
>
yes, I see that now. thanks for pointing that out.
>
> Vicki wrote:
> >
>
BernardZ
bern...@yahoo.com.au says...
>
> "BernardZ" <Bern...@FlagMail.com to reply delete Flag> wrote in message
> news:MPG.17c3a708afd83f4e98a003@news...
> > In article <3D58CC...@ozemail.com.au>, su_...@ozemail.com.au says...
> > >
> > > > These are myths:
> > > > 1 The Holocaust was Unique. It was not.
> >
> > I am not aware of any other mass murder whose purpose was to destroy a
> > people.
> >
> > > > 2 The holocuast was the biggest organised genocide this century. It
> > > > was not.
> > > > The Ukranian genocide was bigger.
> >
> > (a)
> > The Ukraine was a massacre not a genocide.
>
> It was a deliberat mass starvation, mass shooting, mass working to death.
> Apart from lack of gas chambers they had mass graves, torture everything,
> camps
> racism etc. It took years.
Agreed except for the racism bit. Ukrainians are not considered to being
a racial different group by the Russians.
>
> Seeing this influenced the Nazis.
Quite possible.
>
> The murders provoked many of the victims to avenge themseves against jews
> who they saw as their mass killers 15 years later when the nazis controlled
> europe
> and the baltic states.
I doubt this. The Nazi organised these attacks.
>
> >
> >
> > It is a legal term coined by lawyers during WW2 to describe a new
> > concept in law.
> >
> > gen·o·cide (jen'?-sid')
> > n.
> > The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial,
> > political, or ethnic group.
>
(a)
> If not for WW2 going bad for the Nazis would simply have expelled jews as
> they did from
> germany or transported them to madagascar.
Since the decision to kill the Jews was made before the attack on Russia
this is clearly wrong.
>
> However more people were exterminated by the bolsheviks at the height of
> jewish power than the Nazis did.
The Jews in power in Russia under the Bolsheviks had long since given up
their Jewishness. They were there as individuals. Most of them were the
first ones killed when Stalin came to power. Since Stalin did not like
Jews. By the time Stalin died there would be very few of them left in
any form of power.
>
>
> >
> > [Greek genos, race + -CIDE.]
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------>
> >
> > > > 3 The Ukranian, baltic and Russian gneocides were commited by non
> > > > jews. it was not. They were commited predominantlly by jews a seniur
> > > > levels. War criminals that got away with it ans were helped by their
> > > > western co-religionists.
>
> >
> > Wrong. Stalin was a Georgian who hated Jews. He arrested many Jews too.
>
> Stalin came to power in 1928. Most of the genocidal murders were commited
> while
> jews were in power.
Wrong. Actually Stalin came to power in 1924, his main atrocities
occurred primarily in the 1930's after he elimination most of the old
guard.
>
> Stalin, Joseph, 1879 -- 1953. Georgian Marxist revolutionary and later
> virtual dictator of the USSR (1928--53). Born in Gori, Georgia ...
> Description: Offers a short biography of Joseph Stalin
>
> Most of the mass murders of the soviet Union were commited at the height of
> jewish power. (20 million)
> Jews were not targeted.
They were towards the end of his rule but he died in time. See the
doctors plot.
>
> Then Stalin came to power
> Stalin hated everyone and targeted jews more to purge them from power than
> anything.
Agreed.
>
> The communit evolution was essentialy and ethnic struggle under the guise of
> communism and it was lead by jews.
Nonsense on all counts.
>
> Much of it was funded form overseas.
Bullshit.
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > This is the irony, the bigest gneocide of the 20th century was not the
> > > > 'holocaust' nor even the Armenian genocide.
> >
>
>
> If some particular group was killing 50% of my people i'd be jst as
> agressive as if it was
> 100%.
Agreed.
>
> The Jewish/bolschevik genocide is inextricably intertwined with the
> holocaust.
This conflicts with what you said above. See (a) above
fenceerx
Harry Snape <hsn...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> BernardZ wrote:
> >
>
> I think the Nazi's win on organisation, the clarity of the stated goal
> and the relentlessness. The above would probably have stopped once the
> balance was overwhelmingly in their favour. The Nazis would have
> continued
> until the last Jew was killed. Even as the allies were hurtling toward
> Germany and manpower and war material was at a premium these bozos
> would still use trains and soldiers to round-up and murder Jewish
> civilians.
The whole plan was to cleanse Europe of all Jews. To a certain extent they
succeeded. What percentage of European Jews survived World War 2?
10%?
15%
Many others were also purposely killed by the Nazis. Many Poles for example.
But at the most 20% of Poles were murdered by the Nazis. Big difference.
Fenx
The Enlightenment
Just like the German-Nazis; they found plenty of co-conspirators.
They were present in disproportionate numbers
>
>
> > > This is the irony, the bigest gneocide of the 20th century was not the
> > > 'holocaust' nor even the Armenian genocide.
> > >
>
> Were the Jews also responsible for the Armenian
> genocide? How about Cambodian?
Strawman.
>
>
> > > It was the genocide of Ukranians, all 4 million of them, and it was
> > > commited by Jews.
> > >
>
> A handful of Jews according to you killed
> 4 million people. How is that?
> As if the people of those countries who did this thing are some how not
> responsible. Only following
> orders I suppose, uh?
> The Jews did it.
> Was Stalin also a Jew?
Most prison camp guards weren't german or even Nazi.
Exterminating jews in the minds of these people would protect
them from future jewish lead genocides. That must be true to an
extent if their perception was correct.
However a very high proportion of jews were involved. They were
fighting for their ethnicticity and internationalism was a great
vehicle for a nationless people. Many wealthy and not so wealty
contributions came form NY via Trotsky.
I beleive they also hated being restricted from immigrating to the
western states of the russian empire.
>
> The German government as well as other governments
> allowed Lenin to travel safey to Russia
> knowing full well what was up. In Germany
> he travel by train unhindered
> that he might help stir up a revolution.
> That you say the Germans were responding against.
> That doesn't make sense to me.
The Kaiser prvided refuge, to a boshevick group that was 90% jewish.
Germany was a safe place as Germany had completely emancipated the
Jews.
This was while he was at war with Russia. He deeply regreted it
afterwards.
>
> Those in power were not benevolent rulers.
> Even so this does not justify what did happen.
> It just cannot be blamed on number of Jews
> in name only who held positions of power.
Jews in Russian and Jews all over the world helped. As I pointed out
90% of the seniour leadership was jewish. Without an conscious jewish
action
However on that basis you can stop blaming white people for
insuficient action and Germans for anti-semitism. Its no different.
I see the russian revolution as an essentaily ethnic conflict. Jews
were one of the ethnicticities in the forefront.
> The people were as barbaric as those in power.
> if this was not so, it could never have happened.
No true. The menschevicks were always more popular with the peasants
and russians and were working towaqrds a consititutional monarchy.
Farmers with wooden pitchforks? People snatched in the middle of th
night that had no arms? this is bull. The bolshevicks were crude
murderers.
Jeez the tzar even pardoned lenins brother who had tried to assasinate
him.
Any examination of jewish and the ethnic nature of the Soviet
revolution must be comprehenseve:
This is from the book culture of critique, it is well worth reading.
Beat them, Red Fighters, clobber them to death, if it is the last
thing you do! Right away! This minute! Now! . . . Slaughter them,
Red Army Fighters, Stamp harder on the rising lids of their rancid
coffins! (Isaac Babel, described by Cynthia Ozick (2001, 3) as 'an
acutely conscious Jew,' propagandizing for the Bolshevik Revolution;
in Ozick 2001, 4)
Another recent development related to the issues raised in CofC
was the publication of The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror,
Repression (Courtois et al. 1999). Reading this book has caused me to
expand on some of the ideas in Chapter 3 of CofC. I didn't emphasize
enough the truly horrific nature of the Soviet regime, nor did I place
sufficient emphasis on the consequences of Jewish involvement in the
rise and maintenance of Communism.
The Soviet government killed over 20 million of its own citizens,
the vast majority in the first 25 years of its existence during the
height of Jewish power. It was a state against its people' (Werth
1999), mounting murderous campaigns of collective punishment (usually
involving deportation or forced starvation) against a great many
ethnic groups, including Great Russian peasants, Ukrainians, Cossacks,
Chechens, Crimean Tatars, Volga Germans, Moldavians, Kalmyks,
Karachai, Balkars, Ingush, Greeks, Bulgars, Crimean Armenians,
Meskhetian Turks, Kurds, and Khemshins as groups (Courtois 1999, 10;
Werth 1999, 219ff). Although individual Jews were caught up in the
Bolshevik violence, Jews were not targeted as a group.24
In CofC (Ch. 3), I noted that Jews were prominently involved in
the Bolshevik Revolution and formed an elite group in the Soviet Union
well into the post-World War II-era. It is interesting that many of
the non-Jewish Bolsheviks were members of non-Russian ethnic groups
or, as noted in CofC, were married to Jewish women. It was a common
perception during the early stages of the Soviet Union that the
government was dominated by "a small knot of foreigners" (Szajkowski
1977, 55). Stalin, Beria, and Ordzhonikidze were Georgians;
Dzerzhinsky, the ruthless head of the Checka (Secret Police) during
the 1920s, was a Pole with strong pro-Jewish attitudes. The original
Cheka was made up largely of non-Russians, and the Russians in the
Cheka tended to be sadistic psychopaths and criminals (Werth 1999, 62;
Wolin & Slusser 1957, 6)—people who are unlikely to have any
allegiance to or identification with their people.
The Bolshevik revolution therefore had a pronounced ethnic angle:
To a very great extent, Jews and other non-Russians ruled over the
Russian people, with disastrous consequences for the Russians and
other ethnic groups that were not able to become part of the power
structure. For example, when Stalin decided to deport the Chechens, he
placed an Ossetian—a group from which he himself was partly derived
and an historic enemy of the Chechens—in charge of the deportation.
Ossetians and Georgians, Stalin's own ancestral groups, were allowed
to expand at the expense of other ethnic groups.
While Stalin favored the Georgians, Jews had their own ethnic
scores to settle. It seems likely that at least some of the Bolshevik
mass murder and terror was motivated by revenge against peoples that
had historically been anti-Jewish. Several historians have suggested
that Jews joined the security forces in such large numbers in order to
get revenge for their treatment under the Czars (Rapoport 1990, 31;
Baron 1975, 170). For example, the Cossacks served the Czar as a
military police force, and they used their power against Jewish
communities during the conflicts between the government and the Jews.
After the Revolution, the Cossacks were deported to Siberia for
refusing to join the collective farms. During the 1930s, the person in
charge of the deportations was an ethnic Jew, Lazar Kaganovich,
nicknamed the 'wolf of the Kremlin' because of his penchant for
violence. In his drive against the peasants, Kaganovich took 'an
almost perverse joy in being able to dictate to the Cossacks. He
recalled too vividly what he and his family had experienced at the
hands of these people. . . . Now they would all pay—men, women,
children. It didn't matter who. They became one and the same. That was
the key to [Kaganovich's] being. He would never forgive and he would
never forget' (Kahan 1987, 164). Similarly, Jews were placed in charge
of security in the Ukraine, which had a long history of anti-Semitism
(Lindemann 1997, 443) and became a scene of mass murder in the 1930s.
In Cof C (Ch. 3), I noted that Jews were very prominently involved
in the Soviet secret police and that they played similar roles in
Communist Poland and Hungary. In addition to many lower ranking
security personnel, prominent Jews included Matvei Berman and Naftali
Frenkel, who developed the slave labor system which resulted in
hundreds of thousands of deaths. (The construction of a canal between
the Baltic and the White Sea claimed many thousands of lives. The six
overseers of the project were Jews: Firin, Berman, Frenkel, Kogan,
Rappoport, Zhuk.) Other Jews who were prominent in carrying out the
Red Terror included Genrik Yagoda (head of the secret police), Aron
Soltz, Lev Inzhir (chief accountant of the Gulag Archipelago), M. I.
Gay (head of a special secret police department), A. A. Slutsky and
his deputy Boris Berman (in charge of terror abroad), K. V. Pauker
(secret police Chief of Operations), and Lazar Kaganovich (most
powerful government official behind Stalin during the 1930s and
prominently involved in the mass murders that took place during that
period) (Rapoport 1990, 44–50). In general, Jews were not only
prominent in the leadership of the Bolsheviks, but they 'abounded at
the lower levels of the party machinery—especially, in the Cheka, and
its successors the GPU, the OGPU and the NKVD' (Schapiro 1961, 165).
The special role of Jews in the Bolshevik government was not lost on
Russians: "For the most prominent and colourful figure after Lenin was
Trotsky, in Petrograd the dominant and hated figure was Zinoviev,
while anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the
Cheka stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with, and
possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator" (Schapiro 1961, 165).
Beginning in 1917 it was common for Russians to associate Jews with
the revolution (Werth 1999, 86). Even after the German invasion in
1941, it was common for many Russians to hope for German victory to
rid the country of "Jews and Bolsheviks"—until the brutality of the
invaders became apparent (Werth 1999, 215).
The discussion of Jewish power in the Soviet Union in CofC notes
that in stark contrast to the campaigns of mass murder against other
peoples, Stalin's efforts against a relative handful of high-ranking
Jewish Communists during the purges of the 1930s were very cautious
and involved a great deal of deception intended to downplay the Jewish
identity of the victims. Jewish power during this period is also
indicated by the fact that the Soviet government established a Jewish
autonomous region (Birobidzhan) in 1934, at least partly to curry
favor with foreign Jewish organizations (Gitelman 1988). During the
1920s and throughout the 1930s the Soviet Union accepted aid for
Soviet Jews from foreign Jewish organizations, especially the American
Jewish Joint Distribution Committee which was funded by wealthy
American Jews (Warburg, Schiff, Kuhn, Loeb, Lehman, Marshall).
Another revealing incident occurred when Stalin ordered the murder
of two Polish-Jewish leaders of the international socialist movement,
Henryk Ehrlich and Victor Alter. These murders created an
international incident, and there were protests by leftists around the
world (Rapoport 1990, 68). The furor did not die down until the
Soviets established a Jewish organization, the Jewish Anti-Fascist
Committee (JAC), dedicated to winning the favor of American Jews.
American Jewish leaders, such as Nahum Goldmann of the World Jewish
Congress and Rabbi Stephen S. Wise of the American Jewish Congress
(AJCongress), helped quell the uproar over the incident and shore up
positive views of the Soviet Union among American Jews. They, along
with a wide range of American Jewish radicals, warmly greeted JAC
representatives in New York during World War II.
Again, the contrast is striking. The Soviet government killed
millions of Ukrainian and Russian peasants during the 1920s and 1930s,
executed hundreds of thousands of people who were purged from their
positions in the party and throughout the economy, imprisoned hundreds
of thousands of people in appalling conditions that produced
incredibly high mortality and without any meaningful due process,
drafted hundreds of thousands of people into forced labor with
enormous loss of life, and ordered the collective punishment and
deportation of Cossacks and other ethnic groups, resulting in mass
murder of these groups. At the same time, actions against a handful of
Jewish Communists were taken cautiously and performed with
reassurances that the government still had very positive views of Jews
and Judaism.
A major theme of Chapter 3 of CofC is that in general Jewish
leftists, including supporters of Bolshevism, continued to identify as
Jews and that Jewish support for these causes waxed or waned depending
on their congruence with specific Jewish issues. However, I should
have emphasized more just how much specifically Jewish issues
mattered, that indeed Jewish involvement with Bolshevism is perhaps
the most egregious example of Jewish moral particularism in all of
history. The horrific consequences of Bolshevism for millions of
non-Jewish Soviet citizens do not seem to have been an issue for
Jewish leftists—a pattern that continues into the present. In CofC, I
noted that Ilya Ehrenberg's silence about Soviet brutalities involving
the murder of millions of its citizens during the 1930s may have been
motivated largely by his view that the Soviet Union was a bulwark
against fascism (Rubenstein 1996, 143–145). This moral blindspot was
quite common. During the 1930s, when millions of Soviet citizens were
being murdered by the Soviet government, the Communist Party USA took
great pains to appeal to specific Jewish interests, including opposing
anti-Semitism, supporting Zionism, and advocating the importance of
maintaining Jewish cultural traditions. During this period, 'the
American radical movement glorified the development of Jewish life in
the Soviet Union. . . . The Soviet Union was living proof that under
socialism the Jewish question could be solved' (Kann 1981, 152–153).
Communism was perceived as 'good for Jews.' Radical Jews—a substantial
percentage of the entire Jewish community at that time—saw the world
through Jewish lenses.
A fascinating example of an American Jewish radical who extolled
the virtues of the Soviet Union is Joe Rapoport (Kann 1981, 20–42,
109–125)— mentioned briefly in CofC, but his example bears a deeper
examination. Rapoport joined a Jewish detachment of the Red Army that
was fighting the Ukrainian nationalists in the civil war that followed
the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917. Like many other Jews, he chose the
Red Army because it opposed the anti-Jewish actions of the Ukrainian
nationalists. Like the vast majority of Russian Jews, he greeted the
revolution because it improved the lives of the Jews.
After emigrating to the U.S., Rapoport visited the Ukraine in
November of 1934, less then one year after the famine created by
Soviet government actions that killed 4 million Ukrainian peasants
(Werth 1999, 159ff ). The peasants had resisted being forced to join
collective farms and were aided by local Ukrainian authorities. The
response of the central government was to arrest farmers and
confiscate all grain, including reserves to be used for next year's
harvest. Since they had no food, the peasants attempted to leave for
the cities but were prevented from doing so by the government. The
peasants starved by the millions. Parents abandoned starving children
before starving themselves; cannibalism was rampant; remaining workers
were tortured to force them to hand over any remaining food. Methods
of torture included the 'cold' method where the victim was stripped
bare and left out in the cold, stark naked. Sometimes whole brigades
of collective workers were treated in this fashion. In the 'hot'
method, the feet and the bottom of the skirt of female workers were
doused with gasoline and then set alight. The flames were put out, and
the process was repeated (Werth 1999, 166). During the period when the
famine claimed a total of 6 million lives throughout the country, the
government exported eighteen million hundredweight of grain in order
to obtain money for industrialization.
These horrors are unmentioned by Rapoport in his account of his
1934 visit. Instead, he paints a very positive portrait of life in the
Ukraine under the Soviets. Life is good for the Jews. He is pleased
that Yiddish culture is accepted not only by Jews but by non-Jews as
well, a clear indication of the privileged status of Judaism in the
Soviet Union during this period. (For example, he recounts an incident
in which a Ukrainian worker read a story in Yiddish to the other
workers, Jews and non-Jews alike.) Young Jews were taking advantage of
new opportunities not only in Yiddish culture but 'in the economy, in
the government, in participation in the general life of the country'
(Kann 1981, 120). Older Jews complained that the government was
anti-religious, and young Jews complained that Leon Trotsky, 'the
national pride of the Jewish people,' had been removed. But the
message to American radicals was upbeat: 'It was sufficient to learn
that the Jewish young people were in higher positions and embraced the
Soviet system' (Kann 1981, 122). Rapoport sees the world through
Jewish-only eyes. The massive suffering in which a total of nearly 20
million Soviet citizens had already died because of government actions
is irrelevant. When he looks back on his life as an American Jewish
radical, his only ambivalence and regrets are about supporting Soviet
actions he saw as not in the Jewish interest, such as the
non-aggression pact with Germany and failure to consistently support
Israel.
Rapoport was thus an exemplar of the many defenders of Communism
in the U.S. media and intellectual circles (see below and Ch. 3). A
prominent example of malfeasance by the media was the New York Times,
owned by a Jewish family and much on the mind of those concerned about
Jewish media influence (see above). During the 1930s, while it was
highlighting German persecution of Jews and pushing for intervention
into World War II against Germany, the Times whitewashed the horrors
of Soviet rule, including the Ukrainian famine, even though the story
was covered extensively by the Hearst newspapers and even though the
leadership of the Times had been informed on numerous occasions that
its correspondent was painting a false picture of Stalin's actions.25
Peter Novick's recent book, The Holocaust in American Life (Novick
1999), contributes to scholarship on the involvement of Jews in the
radical left during the 20th century. He shows that Jewish
organizations in the U.S. were well aware of Jewish involvement in
Communism, but they argued that only a minority of Jews were involved
and downplayed the fact that a majority of Communists were Jews, that
an even greater majority of Communist leaders were Jews, that the
great majority of those called up by the House Un-American Activities
Committee in the 1940s and 1950s were Jews, and that most of those
prosecuted for spying for the Soviet Union were Jews (see also Chapter
3 of CofC and MacDonald 1998a, 200–201).
Indeed, the proposal that leftist radicalism represented a
minority of the American Jewish community is far from obvious. In
fact, the immigrant Jewish community in the U.S. from 1886 to 1920 can
best be described as 'one big radical debating society' (Cohn 1958,
621). Long after this period, leftist sympathies were widespread in
the AJCongress—by far the largest organization of American Jews, and
Communist-oriented groupswere affiliated with the AJCongress until
being reluctantly purged during the McCarthy era (Svonkin 1997, 132,
166). Recently no less a figure than Representative Samuel Dickstein,
discussed in Chapter 7 as a strong Congressional proponent of
immigration and certainly a prominent and mainstream figure in the
Jewish community, was revealed as a Soviet spy. Dickstein was
motivated at least partly by his sympathy with Soviet anti-fascism
(Weinstein & Vassiliev 1999, 140–150).
Novick notes that Jewish organizations made sure that Hollywood
movies did not show any Communist characters with Jewish names.
Newspapers and magazines such as Time and Life, which were at that
time controlled by non-Jews, agreed not to publish letters on the
Jewishness of American Communists at the behest of a staff member of
the AJCommittee (Novick 1999, 95).
Novick also notes that Jewish Communists often used the Holocaust
as a rhetorical device at a time when mainstream Jewish organizations
were trying to keep a low profile. This fits well with the material in
CofC indicating a strong Jewish identification among the vast majority
of Jewish Communists. Invocations of the Holocaust 'became the
dominant argument, at least in Jewish circles, for opposition to Cold
War mobilization" (Novick 1999, 93). Julius and Ethel Rosenberg,
convicted of spying for the Soviet Union, often invoked the Holocaust
in rationalizing their actions. Julius testified that the USSR
'contributed a major share in destroying the Hitler beast who killed
6,000,000 of my co-religionists' (p. 94). Public demonstrations of
support for the Rosenbergs often invoked the Holocaust.
Although Bendersky (2000) presents an apologetic account in which
Jewish involvement in radical leftism is seen as nothing more than the
paranoia of racist military officers, he shows that U.S. military
intelligence had confirmation of the linkage from multiple independent
sources, including information on financial support of revolutionary
activity provided by wealthy Jews like Jacob Schiff and the Warburg
family. These sources included not only its own agents, but also the
British government and the U.S. State Department Division of Russian
Affairs. These sources asserted that Jews dominated the Bolshevik
governments of the Soviet Union and Hungary and that Jews in other
countries were sympathetic to Bolshevism. Similarly, Szajkowski (1977)
shows that the view that Jews dominated the Bolshevik government was
very widespread among Russians and foreigners in the Soviet Union,
including American and British military and diplomatic personnel and
administrators of relief agencies. He also shows that sympathy for the
Bolshevik government was the norm within the Eastern European
immigrant Jewish community in the U.S. in the period from 1918–1920,
but that the older German-Jewish establishment (whose numbers were
dwarfed by the more recent immigrants from Eastern Europe) opposed
Bolshevism during this period.
While the Jewish Holocaust has become a moral touchstone and
premier cultural icon in Western societies, the Jewish blind spot
about the horrors of Bolshevism continues into the present time.
Jewish media figures who were blacklisted because of Communist
affiliations in the 1940s are now heroes, honored by the film
industry, praised in newspapers, their work exhibited in museums.26
For example, an event commemorating the blacklist was held at the
Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in October 1997. Organized
by the four guilds—the American Federation of Television and Radio
Artists (AFTRA), Directors Guild of America (DGA), Screen Actors Guild
(SAG) and Writers Guild of America, west (WGAw), the event honored the
lives and careers of the blacklisted writers and condemned the guilds'
lack of response fifty years earlier.27 At the same time, the Writers
Guild of America has been restoring dozens of credits to movies
written by screenwriters who wrote under pseudonyms or used fronts
while blacklisted. Movies on the topic paint a picture of innocent
Jewish idealists hounded by a ruthless, oppressive government, and
critics like Bernheimer (1998, 163–166) clearly approve this
assessment. In the same vein, the 1983 movie Daniel, based on a novel
by E. L. Doctorow and directed by Sydney Lumet, portrayed the
conviction of the Rosenbergs as 'a matter of political expediency. The
persecution is presented as a nightmarish vision of Jewish
victimization, senseless and brutal' (Bernheimer 1998, 178).
A nostalgic and exculpatory attitude toward the Jewish Old Left is
apparent in recent accounts of the children of 'red diaper babies,'
including those who have come to reject their leftist commitments. For
example, Ronald Radosh's (2001a) Commies describes the
all-encompassing world of Jewish radicalism of his youth. His father
belonged to a classic Communist Party front organization called the
Trade Union Unity League. Radosh was a dutiful son, throwing himself
fervently into every cause that bore the party's stamp of approval,
attending a party-inspired summer camp and a New York City red-diaper
high school (known as 'the Little Red Schoolhouse for little Reds'),
and participating in youth festivals modeled on Soviet extravaganzas.
It says a lot about the Jewish milieu of the Party that a common joke
was: 'What Jewish holidays do you celebrate?" "Paul Robeson's birthday
and May Day.' Radosh only questioned the leftist faith when he was
rejected and blackballed by his leftist comrades for publishing a book
that established the guilt of Julius Rosenberg. Radosh shows that
academic departments of history remain a bastion of apologia for the
far left. Many academic historians shunned Radosh because of his
findings, including Eric Foner, another Red Diaper Baby, who was a
president of the American Historical Association. Radosh writes of the
'reflexive hatred of the American system' that pervades the left. It
was indeed a 'reflexive hatred'—a hatred that, as discussed in CofC,
was due far more to their strong Jewish identifications than to
anything objectively wrong with American society. Nevertheless,
despite his reservations about the leftism of his past, he presents
the motivations of Jewish communists as idealistic even as they
provided 'the ideological arguments meant to rationalize Soviet crimes
and gain the support by Americans for Soviet foreign policy' (Radosh
2001b).
Despite the massive evidence for a very large Jewish involvement
in these movements, there are no apologies from Jewish organizations
and very few mea culpas from Jewish intellectuals. If anything, the
opposite is true, given the idealization of blacklisted writers and
the continuing tendency to portray U.S. Communists as idealists who
were crushed by repressive McCarthyism. Because many Communist
societies eventually developed anti-Jewish movements, Jewish
organizations portray Jews as victims of Communism, not as critical to
its rise to power, as deeply involved in the murderous reign of terror
unleashed by these regimes, and as apologists for the Soviet Union in
the West. Forgotten in this history are the millions of deaths, the
forced labor, the quieting of all dissent that occurred during the
height of Jewish power in the Soviet Union. Remembered are the
anti-Jewish trends of late Communism.
The 20th century in Europe and the Western world, like the 15th
century in Spain, was a Jewish century because Jews and Jewish
organizations were intimately and decisively involved in all of the
important events. If I am correct in asserting that Jewish
participation was a necessary condition for the Bolshevik Revolution
and its murderous aftermath, one could also argue that Jews thereby
had a massive influence on later events. The following is an
'alternative history'; i.e., a history of what might have happened if
certain events had not happened. For example, alternative historian
Niall Ferguson's The Pity of War makes a plausible case that if
England had not entered World War I, Germany would have defeated
France and Russia and would have become the dominant power in Europe.
The Czar's government may well have collapsed, but the changes would
have led to a constitutional government instead of the Bolshevik
regime. Hitler would not have come to power because Germans would have
already achieved their national aspirations. World War II would not
have happened, and there would have been no Cold War.
But of course these things did happen. In the same way, one can
then also ask what might have happened in the absence of Jewish
involvement in the Bolshevik Revolution. The argument would go as
follows:
(1) Given that World War I did occur and that the Czar's government
was drastically weakened, it seems reasonable that there would have
been major changes in Russia. However, without Jewish involvement, the
changes in Russia would have resulted in a constitutional monarchy, a
representative republic, or even a nationalist military junta that
enjoyed broad popular support among the Great Russian majority instead
of a dictatorship dominated by ethnic outsiders, especially Jews and
'jewified non-Jews,' to use Lindemann's (1997) term. It would not have
been an explicitly Marxist revolution, and therefore it would not have
had a blueprint for a society that sanctioned war against its own
people and their traditional culture. The ideology of the Bolshevik
revolution sanctioned the elimination of whole classes of people, and
indeed mass murder has been a characteristic of communism wherever it
has come to power (Courtois et al. 1999). These massacres were made
all the easier because the Revolution was led by ethnic outsiders with
little or no sympathy for the Russians or other peoples who suffered
the most.
(2) Conservatives throughout Europe and the United States believed
that Jews were responsible for Communism and the Bolshevik Revolution
(Bendersky 2000; Mayer 1988; Nolte 1965; Szajkowski 1974). The Jewish
role in leftist political movements was a common source of anti-Jewish
attitudes, not only among the National Socialists in Germany, but
among a great many non-Jewish intellectuals and political figures.
Indeed, in the years following World War I, British, French, and U.S.
political leaders, including Woodrow Wilson, David Lloyd George,
Winston Churchill and Lord Balfour, believed in Jewish responsibility,
and such attitudes were common in the military and diplomatic
establishments in these countries (e.g., Szajkowski 1974, 166ff; see
also above and Ch. 3). For example, writing in 1920, Winston Churchill
typified the perception that Jews were behind what he termed a
"world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization." The role of
Jews in the Bolshevik Revolution "is certainly a very great one; it
probably outweighs all others." Churchill noted the predominance of
Jews among Bolshevik leaders (Trotsky, Zinoviev, Litvinoff, Krassin,
Radek) and among those responsible for "the system of [state]
terrorism." Churchill also noted that Jews were prominent in
revolutionary movements in Hungary, in Germany, and in the United
States. The identification of Jews with revolutionary radicalism
became a major concern of the military and political leaders
throughout Western Europe and the United States (Bendersky 2000;
Szajkowski 1974). Moreover, as noted above, the deep involvement of
Jews in Bolshevism was privately acknowledged within Jewish activist
organizations. Lucien Wolf, a fixture in the Anglo-Jewish
establishment, noted that, 'I know the political history of the Jews
in Europe and the part played by Jews in Bolshevism much too well not
to realise the danger that we run in pretending that they always did
hold aloof from revolution. There would have been no progress in
Europe without revolution and I have often written and lectured—and I
shall do so again—in praise of the Jews who have helped the good work'
(in Szajkowski 1974, 172).
(3) In Germany, the identification of Jews and Bolshevism was common
in the middle classes and was a critical part of the National
Socialist view of the world. For middle-class Germans, 'the experience
of the Bolshevik revolution in Germany was so immediate, so close to
home, and so disquieting, and statistics seemed to prove the
overwhelming participation of Jewish ringleaders so irrefutably,' that
even many liberals believed in Jewish responsibility (Nolte 1965,
331). Hitler was also well aware of the predominance of Jews in the
short-lived revolutions in Hungary and in the German province of
Bavaria in 1919. He had experienced the Jewish involvement in the
Bavarian revolution personally, and this may well have been a decisive
moment in the development of his anti-Jewish ideas (Lindemann 2000,
90).
Jewish involvement in the horrors of Communism was therefore an
important ingredient in Hitler's desire to destroy the USSR and in the
anti-Jewish actions of the German National Socialist government. Ernst
Nolte and several other historians have argued that the Jewish role in
the Bolshevik Revolution was an important cause of the Holocaust.
Hitler and the National Socialists certainly believed that Jews were
critical to the success of the Bolshevik Revolution. They compared the
Soviet Union to a man with a Slavic body and a Jewish-Bolshevik brain
(Nolte 1965, 357–358). They attributed the mass murders of
Communism—'the most radical form of Jewish genocide ever known'—to the
Jewish-Bolshevik brain (Nolte 1965, 393). The National Socialists were
well aware that the Soviet government committed mass murder against
its enemies and believed that it was intent on promoting a world
revolution in which many more millions of people would be murdered. As
early as 1918 a prominent Jewish Bolshevik, Grigory Zinoviev, spoke
publicly about the need to eliminate ten million Russians—an
underestimate by half, as it turned out. Seizing upon this background,
Hitler wrote,
Now begins the last great revolution. By wrestling political power for
himself, the Jew casts off the few remaining shreds of disguise he
still wears. The democratic plebeian Jew turns into the blood Jew and
the tyrant of peoples. In a few years he will try to exterminate the
national pillars of intelligence and, by robbing the peoples of their
natural spiritual leadership, will make them ripe for the slavish lot
of a permanent subjugation. The most terrible example of this is
Russia. (In Nolte 1965, 406)
This line of reasoning does not imply that there were no other
critical factors. If World War I had not occurred and if the Czar
hadn't entered that war, then the Czar could have stayed in power much
longer. Russia might have been transformed gradually into a modern
Western state rather than be subjected to the horrors of Communism. In
the same way, Hitler may not have come to power if there had been no
Great Depression or if Germany had won World War I. Such events also
would have altered things enormously.
(4) The victory over National Socialism then set the stage for the
tremendous increase in Jewish power in the post-World War II Western
world. This new-found power facilitated the establishment of Israel,
the transformation of the United States and other Western nations in
the direction of multi-racial, multi-cultural societies via
large-scale non-white immigration, and the consequent decline in
European demographic and cultural pre-eminence. The critical details
of these and other consequences of Jewish rise to international elite
status and power are described in CofC.
torresD
BernardZ wrote:
> In article <3D58CC...@ozemail.com.au>, su_...@ozemail.com.au says...
> These are myths:
> 1 The Holocaust was Unique. It was not.
> I am not aware of any other mass murder
>whose purpose was to destroy a people.
The Israeli Holocaust Against the Arab People
http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine.html
"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994
[Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
torresD
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@hers.com
> Right. That's the point abuot saying the Holocausr was unique.
> Not that it was the worst tragedy in the world, but unique.
Rabbi Calls for Genocide of Arabs
During a sermon preceding the 2001
Passover holiday, the influential Israeli Rabbi
Ovadia Yosef exclaimed:
"May the Holy Name visit retribution on
the Arab heads, and cause their seed to
be lost, and annihilate them." He added:
"It is forbidden to have pity on them.
We must give them missiles with relish,
annihilate them.
Evil ones, damnable ones."
Source: Ha'aretz April 12, 2001
Deborah
>During a sermon preceding the 2001
>Passover holiday, the influential Israeli Rabbi
>Ovadia Yosef exclaimed:
"Solid stools indicate the strength of Ariel Sharon's policies,
but lately, the stools have had a softer text, indicating Sharon's
weakness and the possible arrival of the Messiah in this time of
crisis," Rabbi Ovadia Yosef told his listeners.
Lynchburg Times Chronicler - Thursday, June 28, 2001
RABBI OVADIA YOSEF INTERPRETS BOWEL MOVEMENTS AS MESSIANIC SIGN
by James Conant
One day after publicly announcing a messianic dream, Shas spiritual
leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef has sent additional messianic shockwaves
through the ultra-Orthodox community in Israel and the United States
... The Shas spiritual leader claims he can now forecast the arrival
of the Messiah according to the frequency and veracity of his bowel
movements.
The Rabbi told personal confidants of his latest mystical experience.
Yosef later confirmed rumors of this latest interpretation on Shas
radio. 'Solid stools indicated the strength of Ariel Sharon's
policies, but lately, the stools have had a softer text, indicating
Sharon's weakness and the possible arrival of the Messiah in this time
of crisis,' Rabbi Ovadia Yosef told his listeners."
Associated Press - January 11, 1998 - Web posted at: 2:16 p.m. EST
(1916 GMT)
JERUSALEM (AP) -- A leading ultra-Orthodox rabbi in Israel has ruled
that it is permitted to pick your nose on the Jewish Sabbath, his aide
said Sunday.
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef delivered the ruling Saturday night in a sermon
relayed by satellite to his followers in Israel and abroad.
The Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot had reported that Yosef had said
nose-picking is forbidden because tiny hairs inside the nostrils might
also be pulled out. But a viewing of a videotape of the event
confirmed that Yosef had in fact ruled it was permitted.
Yosef is among a select group of rabbis who respond to questions from
Jews -- serious or otherwise -- on the minutiae of applying Jewish law
to daily life.
The Iraqi-born Yosef, a former chief rabbi in Egypt and Israel and a
leading authority on Jewish law, is spiritual leader of the religious
political party Shas, which has 10 seats in Israel's Parliament.
The Times - Friday 29 June 2001
Rabbi Tells of Conversation with Messiah
From Sam Kiley in Jerusalem
ISRAEL'S ultra--Orthodox Sephardi community was engulfed in a wave of
religious optimism after Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, spiritual leader of the
Shas party, said that he had conversed with the Messiah in a dream.
Rabbi Yosef, the former Sephardi Chief Rabbi, who recedntly said that
Arabs were snakes and should be annihilated, told his followers that
he had a dream on Friday.
Rabbi Ben-Zion Mutzafi, one of his followers, said that Rabbi Yosef
had told him that in his dream "at the Western Wall plaza and in all
of Jerusalem there were only Jews ... There were no non-Jewish
foreigners there. They had already been expelled [before the coming of
the Messiah]".
The Saviour was said to have exhorted Jewish children to study the
Torah, the Jewish Bible. He had told Iraqi-born Rabbi Yosef: "Anyone
who is for God should come to me, so that there will be teachers to
teach them Torah. Not one school will remain without Torah. Everyone
will study Torah."
The rabbi's party, Shas, holds 17 of the 120 seats in the Knesset and
has a wide following among the working class and the ultra-Orthodox.
Under Ehud Barak it held the balance of power in parliament and
extracted huge subsidies for its religious schools. Its former
political leader, Arieh Deri, is serving six years in jail for fraud.
These mundane dramas have done nothing to dampen enthusiasm for Rabbi
Yosef's "vision". Eliyahu Shai, the Shas chairman and Internal Affairs
Minister, said yesterday: "Every Jew who is waiting for the Messiah
sees in the dream ... significant tidings in anticipation of
salvation".
Rabbi Mutzafi said: "Until now we have not heard of anyone who saw the
Messiah in a dream. These things are evidence that salvation is nigh".
Deborah
Deborah
>The Israeli Holocaust Against the Arab People
>http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine.html
Holocaust against Pallies? That's rich.
Est. Pallie refugee population 1948: 650,000
Est. Pallie population today: 4,000,000
That's some inept Holocaust the Israelis are supposed
to be perpetrating against the Pallies.
Now for a real Holocaust, the figures would have to
resemble something like:
Est. European Jewish population 1933: 9,000,000
Est. European Jewish population today: 2,000,000
or
Est. world Jewish population 1939 16,728,000
Est. world Jewish population 1948 11,500,000
Est. world Jewish population 2000 13,191,500
Once again, Israelis have proven themselves the most
inept genocidists around.
Deborah
Not
4af03591.0208...@posting.google.com, "Deborah"]> wrote:
> "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The Israeli Holocaust Against the Arab People
>> http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine.html
>
> Holocaust against Pallies? That's rich.
> . . .
> Deborah
As rich as asking if "Can Jews be Nazis?" -- certainly they can, it is a
recognized "political" party in the U.S.
Vicki
> As rich as asking if "Can Jews be Nazis?" -- certainly they can, it is a
> recognized "political" party in the U.S.
>
it is? Since when? Oh, let me guess, The Democrats!
I thought so.
Vicki
Not
"Vicki"]> wrote:
I would have said the Christian Republican Right, but that would be as
equally erroneous as your joke. The "American Nazi Party" is neither, but
if you would like to join it, you can contact their offices at:
ANP
PO Box 503
Eastpointe, MI 48021
or get more information form their website at:
Vicki
> > it is? Since when? Oh, let me guess, The Democrats!
> >
> > I thought so.
> >
> > Vicki
> >
> >
> I would have said the Christian Republican Right, but that would be as
> equally erroneous as your joke. The "American Nazi Party" is neither, but
> if you would like to join it, you can contact their offices at:
>
> ANP
> PO Box 503
> Eastpointe, MI 48021
>
> or get more information form their website at:
>
> http://www.americannaziparty.com/
>
Well, I had no idea there was one. Now, I do.
Not
"Vicki"]> wrote:
Well I always thought there "probably" was an "official" Nazi Party in the
U.S., since I have seen candidates listed as Nazis on election ballots
before and every other form of political party exists and runs for office in
the U.S., e.g., Communist, Socialist, Republicans; however, I never bothered
to check until you expressed doubts. Not to worry however, unlike Israel's
right-wing extremist parties, and as might be expected, not too many people
vote for these guys, and I have never heard of any of them being elected
(but perhaps some have in some local election somewhere).
PEM
"Not" <n...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:B982A4C4.1D78F%n...@sbcglobal.net...
take all the citizen under their protective wing for the betterment of the
Country.
Would that not be Israel??
They even force every Citizen to serve in the forces or in the government
structure. They do not regard any people in areas they regard as their to
have equal or any right,
The same as Hitler.
PEM
PEM
Not
3d5e02ce$0$32487$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au, "PEM"]> wrote:
>
> "Not" <n...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:B982A4C4.1D78F%n...@sbcglobal.net...
>> On 8/15/02 6:12 PM, in article
>> 4af03591.0208...@posting.google.com, "Deborah"]> wrote:
>>
>>> "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The Israeli Holocaust Against the Arab People
>>>> http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine.html
>>>
>>> Holocaust against Pallies? That's rich.
>>> . . .
>>> Deborah
>>
>> As rich as asking if "Can Jews be Nazis?" -- certainly they can, it is a
>> recognized "political" party in the U.S.
>>
> Naturly they can. It just mean the "National Socialistic Party"
I think you are on the "Left" and need to move a little to the "Right" -- in
Israel that would fall somewhere to the right of Likud right about where the
National Union Party is I think? (Sorry if I named the party wrong --
thought this was the name of Israel's Ultra-Right Wingers -- somebody post a
list if they know whose right of Likud)
Vicki
> >> I would have said the Christian Republican Right, but that would be as
> >> equally erroneous as your joke. The "American Nazi Party" is neither,
but
> >> if you would like to join it, you can contact their offices at:
> >>
> >> ANP
> >> PO Box 503
> >> Eastpointe, MI 48021
> >>
> >> or get more information form their website at:
> >>
> >> http://www.americannaziparty.com/
> >>
> >
> > Well, I had no idea there was one. Now, I do.
> >
> Well I always thought there "probably" was an "official" Nazi Party in the
> U.S., since I have seen candidates listed as Nazis on election ballots
I haven't. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by it.
As I do know we have alot of Nazis in America.
I just assumed they wouldn't be so open
about, in regars to politics.
I think in Germany you can get into trouble being a Nazi
openly.
> before and every other form of political party exists and runs for office
in
> the U.S., e.g., Communist, Socialist, Republicans; however, I never
bothered
> to check until you expressed doubts. Not to worry however, unlike
Israel's
> right-wing extremist parties, and as might be expected, not too many
people
> vote for these guys, and I have never heard of any of them being elected
Not yet anyway. I read a good book from a differnt
view of. I see it everywhere.
It is always seen first in the arts, music, stc.
The glorification of the ugly, the dark,
anger, death.
Anyways, it said whereever Nazi Germany is
a majority the culture is the first thing to go.
Vicki
Not
"Vicki"]> wrote:
>
> "Not" <n...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>
>
>>>> I would have said the Christian Republican Right, but that would be as
>>>> equally erroneous as your joke. The "American Nazi Party" is neither,
> but
>>>> if you would like to join it, you can contact their offices at:
>>>>
>>>> ANP
>>>> PO Box 503
>>>> Eastpointe, MI 48021
>>>>
>>>> or get more information form their website at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.americannaziparty.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I had no idea there was one. Now, I do.
>>>
>> Well I always thought there "probably" was an "official" Nazi Party in the
>> U.S., since I have seen candidates listed as Nazis on election ballots
>
> I haven't. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by it.
> As I do know we have alot of Nazis in America.
> I just assumed they wouldn't be so open
> about, in regars to politics.
>
> I think in Germany you can get into trouble being a Nazi
> openly.
>
Very severe laws against Nazi related matters and even discussion in
Germany. A few years ago, Germany even criminally charged and personally
convicted a CompuServe Vice-President of European Operations, because
CompuServe, as an ISP, allowed its subscribers in Germany to access via the
Internet websites and newsgroups outside of Germany which contained or
discussed anything related to Nazism -- presumably providing access to even
a newsgroup like soc.culture.israel or soc.culture.jewish would bee deemed
illegal in Germany as it often contains matters related to Nazism.
Vicki
> >
> > I think in Germany you can get into trouble being a Nazi
> > openly.
>
>
> Very severe laws against Nazi related matters and even discussion in
> Germany. A few years ago, Germany even criminally charged and personally
> convicted a CompuServe Vice-President of European Operations, because
> CompuServe, as an ISP, allowed its subscribers in Germany to access via
the
> Internet websites and newsgroups outside of Germany which contained or
> discussed anything related to Nazism -- presumably providing access to
even
> a newsgroup like soc.culture.israel or soc.culture.jewish would bee deemed
> illegal in Germany as it often contains matters related to Nazism.
Right. I recall that incident about the internet.
This is, I am sure, where I learned if was illegal
to be a part of Nazi activities.
Thanks,
Vicki
Susan Cohen
PEM wrote:
> "Not" <n...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:B982A4C4.1D78F%n...@sbcglobal.net...
> > On 8/15/02 6:12 PM, in article
> > 4af03591.0208...@posting.google.com, "Deborah"]> wrote:
> >
> > > "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> The Israeli Holocaust Against the Arab People
> > >> http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine.html
> > >
> > > Holocaust against Pallies? That's rich.
> > > . . .
> > > Deborah
> >
> > As rich as asking if "Can Jews be Nazis?" -- certainly they can, it is a
> > recognized "political" party in the U.S.
> >
> Naturly they can. It just mean the "National Socialistic Party" A party who
> take all the citizen under their protective wing for the betterment of the
> Country.
> Would that not be Israel??
> They even force every Citizen to serve in the forces or in the government
> structure.
Like America when it had thedraft. Likemany other countries who have the
samepolicy.
> They do not regard any people in areas they regard as their to
> have equal or any right,
This is a lie, of course.
> The same as Hitler.
Godwin's Law is extremely approriate here.
Susan
>
> PEM
> PEM