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The Bible Led Me To Islam

Abdul Malik LeBlanc tells how he discovered Islam within the pages of Bible
Taken from International Edition Voice of Islam
November 1998, Page 25

During my Christian days there were many verses in the Bible that made me
question the religion I was following (Christianity). There was one
particular verse, 1 Thessalonians 5:17 which says; "pray without ceasing,"
that lingered heavily in my mind. I often wondered how a person (Christian)
was supposed to pray (be in a state of worship) without ceasing? Without any
biblical or divine guidance, the only way I thought this to be possible was
to always do good deeds and keep the remembrance of God on my tongue and in
my heart.

However, I found this to be impossible to do as a human being. But when I
was introduced to Islam in 1987, and began to read and learn more about this
way of life, I found that Islam provided divine guidance both from God
(Allah) and Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu 'alaihi wassalam) by which a person
could pray (be in a state of worship) without ceasing, if it was the Will of
God.

Whether waking up, eating, sleeping, putting on clothes, being in the
presence of a woman, looking at a woman, going shopping, going to the
bathroom, looking in the mirror, traveling, visiting the sick, sitting in a
non-religious meeting, taking a bath, having sexual intercourse with one's
wife, yawning, cutting you nails, sneezing, greeting people, talking,
hosting guests at home, walking, exercising, fighting, entering one's house,
praying and many other acts, Islam and the guidance therein of the Quran,
and the acts and sayings of Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu 'alaihi wassalam),
provided ways in which I could observe 1 Thessalonians 5:17. In addition, it
allowed me to be at peace with myself and in submission to the one True
God - Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala).

This divine guidance of Islam taught me greatly about my duties,
responsibilities and birthright to my Creator (Allah), and more about the
religion of Christianity as a Muslim, I [By the Will of Allah (subhanahu wa
ta'ala)] felt it necessary to share with you how the Bible led me to Islam.

Christianity

Given the fact that there has never been in the history of the Torah (Old
Testament) the religion of God to be named after a Prophet (i.e. Adaminity,
Abrahamity, Mosanity, etc.), I hope to explain that Jesus did not preach the
religion of Christianity, but a religion that gives all Praise and Worship
to The One God.

One of the questions I asked myself as I took an objective (second) look at
Christianity was; where did the word Christianity come from and was the word
ever mentioned to Jesus? Well, I did not find the word Christianity in the
Bible, not even in a Bible dictionary. Specifically, I did not find in the
Bible where Jesus called himself a Christian.

The word Christian was first mentioned by a pagan to describe those who
followed Jesus. It is mentioned one of three times in the New Testament by a
pagan and Jew in Antioch about 43 AD, (Acts 11:26, Acts 26:38 and 1 Peter
4:16) long after Jesus left this earth. To accept the words of pagans as
having any value or association with divinity, Jesus or God is contrary to
the teachings of all Prophets.

Jesus prophesied that people would worship him uselessly and believe in
doctrines made by men (Matthew 15:9).

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of
men." This verse, Matthew 15:9, is further supported by these words of the
Quran:

"And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus,
son of Mary! Did you say unto men: "Worship me and my mother as two gods
besides Allah?" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what
I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have
known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in
Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower o fall that is hidden and
unseen.

Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say:
'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while
I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were a Witness to all
things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the
whole world)." (Al-Ma'idah 5:116-117)

I found that Biblical verses like John 5:30, John 12:49, John 14:28, Isaiah
42:8 and Acts 2:22 support the above mentioned verses of the Quran.

Before leaving the subject of Christianity, I should mention one small point
of observation. If Christians are Christ-like, why are they not greeting
each other with the words; Peace be with you (Salamu Alaikum), as Jesus did
in Luke 24:36. As you may be aware, the greeting from one Muslim to another
Muslim is Assalamu Alaikum; a Christ-like saying.

Various Holy Bibles

It is worth mentioning that the Bible references cited might not be exactly
as the Bible you are using. There are MANY Bibles on the market that are
used by different Christian sects and all of these sects say that their
book, though different, is the word of God. Such Bibles are: The Revised
Standard Version 1952 & 1971, New American Standard Bible, The Holy Bible;
New International Version, the Living Bible, New World Translation of the
Holy Scriptures used by Jehovah Witnesses, Roman Catholic Version and the
King James Version. A special note: I have not found in any of these Bibles
where the "New Testament" calls itself the "New Testament," and nowhere does
the "Old Testament" call itself the "Old? Testament." Also, the word "Bible"
is unknown within the pages of the Bible.

In addition to the many different Christian sects and Bibles, I have learned
that there are also different men, not Prophets, who founded these sects and
are using various interpretations of the Bible and/or man-made doctrines as
their creed.

I would like to share with you some thoughts that you may not have read or
known about the Bible being the word of God. Briefly, let me mention that on
September 8, 1957, the Jehovah's witnesses in their "Awake" magazine carried
this startling headline - 50,000 Errors in the Bible. If you ask a Jehovah's
witness about this headline, it may be said that today most of those errors
have been eliminated. How many have been eliminated, 5,000? Even if 50
remain, would one attribute those errors to God?

Let me pose another question: if a "Holy" book contained conflicting verses
would you still consider it to be Holy? Most likely you will say of course
not. Let me share with you some conflicting verses both in the Old and New
Testaments:

II Samuel 8:4 (vs) II Samuel 8:9-10 II Kings 8:26

II Samuel 6:23 Genesis 6:3 John 5:37

John 5:31 I Chronicles 18:4 I Chronicles 18:9-10

II Chronicles 22:2 II Samuel 21:8 Genesis 9:29

John 14:9 John 8:14

Only two contradictions of the New Testament have been mentioned, but others
will be referenced when the Trinity, Divinity of Jesus Christ, Divine
Sonship of Jesus, Original Sin and Atonement are reviewed.

How could the "inspired words" of God get the genealogy of Jesus incorrect
(See Matthew 1:6-16 where it states 26 forefathers up to Prophet David, and
Luke 3:23-31 says 41 in number). Or for that matter, give a genealogy to
Jesus who had NO father? See II Kings 19:1-37, now read Isaiah 37:1-38. Why
is it that the words of these verse are identical? Yet they have been
attributed to two different authors, one unknown and the other is Isaiah,
who are centuries apart; and yet, the Christians have claimed these books to
be inspired by God.

I looked up the word Easter in the Nelson Bible dictionary and learned that
the word "Easter" (as mentioned in Acts 12:4) is a mistranslation of
"pascha," the ordinary Greek word for "Passover." As, you know Passover is a
Jewish celebration not a Christian holiday. I think human hands, all to
human, had played havoc with the Bible.

From the brief points mentioned above, and the fact that Biblical scholars
themselves have recognized the human nature and human composition of the
Bible (Curt Kuhl, The Old Testament: Its Origin and Composition, PP 47, 51,
52), there should exist in the Christian's mind some acceptance to the fact
that maybe every word of the Bible is not God's word.

As a side note to this subject, let me mention that some Christians believe
that the Bible was dictated to Prophet Muhammad (SAW) by a Christian monk,
and that is why some of the biblical accounts are in the Quran. After some
research, I found that this could not have happened because there were no
Arabic Bible in existence in the 6th century of the Christian era when
Muhammad (sallallahu 'alaihi wassalam) lived and preached. Therefore, no
Arab, not even Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu 'alaihi wassalam) who was
absolutely unlettered and unlearned, would have had the opportunity to
examine the written text of the Bible in his own language.

The Gospels

If you read Luke 1:2-3, you will learn, as I did, that Luke (who was not one
of the 12 disciples and never met Jesus) said that he himself was not an
eyewitness, and the knowledge he gathered was from eyewitnesses, and not as
words inspired by God. Incidentally, why does every "Gospel" begin with the
introduction According to. Why "according to?" the reason for this is
because not a single one of the gospels carries its original author's
autograph! Even the internal evidence of Matthew 9:9 proves that Matthew was
not the author of the first Gospel which bears his name:

"And as Jesus passed forth thence, He (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew,
sitting at the receipt of custom: and He (Jesus) saith unto Him (Matthew),
follow me (Jesus). And he (Matthew) arose, and followed Him (Jesus)."

Without any stretch of the imagination, one can see that the He's and the
Him's of the above narration do not refer to Jesus or Matthew as its author,
but a third person writing what he saw or heard - a hearsay account and not
words inspired by God.

It is worth noting, and well known throughout the religious world, that the
choice of the present four "gospels" of the New Testament (Matthew, Mark,
Luke and John) were imposed in the Council of Nicea 325 CE for political
purposes under the auspices of the pagan Emperor Constantine, and not by
Jesus. Constantine's mind had not been enlightened either by study or by
inspiration. He was a pagan, a tyrant and criminal who murdered his son, his
wife and thousands of innocent individuals because of his lust for political
power. Constantine ratified other decisions in the Nicene Creed such as the
decision to call Christ "the Son of God, only begotten of the father."

Literally, hundreds of gospels and religious writings were hidden from the
people. Some of those writings were written by Jesus' disciples, and many of
them were eyewitness accounts of Jesus' actions. The Nicea Council decided
to destroy all gospels written in Hebrew, which resulted in the burning of
nearly three hundred accounts. If these writings were not more authentic
than the four present gospels, they were of equal authenticity. Some of them
are still available such as the Gospel of Barnabas and the Shepherd of
Hermas which agree with the Quran. The Gospel of Barnabas, until now, is the
only eyewitness account of the life and mission of Jesus. Even today, the
whole of the Protestant word, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists
and other sects and denominations condemn the Roman Catholic version of the
Bible because it contains seven "extra" books. The Protestant have bravely
expunged seven whole books from their word of God. A few of the outcasts are
the Books of Judith, Tobnias, Baruch and Esther.

Concerning Jesus' teachings of the Gospel (Injeel), the Gospel writers
frequently mentioned Jesus preaching the Gospel: Matthew 9:35, Mark 8:35,
and Luke 20:1. The word "gospel" is recurrently used in the Bible. However,
in the New Testament Greek edition the word Evangeline is used in place of
the word gospel, which is translated to mean good news. My question was:
what Gospel did Jesus preach? Of the 27 books of the New Testament, only a
small fraction can be accepted as the words of Jesus, and only of the 27
books are known to be attributed as the Gospel of Jesus. The remaining 23
were supposedly written by Paul. Muslims do believe that Jesus was given God's
"Good News." However, they do not recognized the present four Gospels as the
utterances of Jesus.

The earliest Gospel is that of Mark's which was written about 60-75 AD. Mark
was the son of Barnabas's sister. Matthew was a tax collector, a minor
official who did not travel around with Jesus. Luke's Gospel was written
much later, and in fact, drawn from the same sources as Mark's and Matthew's.
Luke was Paul's physician, and like Paul, never met Jesus. By the way, did
you know that the names Marks and Luke were not included in the 12 appointed
disciples of Jesus as mentioned in Matthew 10:2-4?

Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; the first, Simon, who is
called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his
brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James
the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the
Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

John's Gospel is from a different source, and was written in about 100 AD.
He (John) should not be confused with John, the disciple, who was beheaded
by Agrippa I in the year 44 CE long before this gospel was written. It
should be accepted as a reliable account of the life of Jesus, and whether
it should be included in the scriptures.

Christians, as I once did, boast about the Gospels according to Matthew,
according to Mark, according to Luke and according to John. However, if we
think about it, there is not a single Gospel according to Jesus himself.
According to the preface of the KJV (King James Version) new open Bible
study edition, the word "Gospel" was added (see below) to the original
titles, "According to John, according to Matthew, according to Luke and
according to Mark."

The permission to call "According to" writings the Gospel was not given by
Jesus nor by any other divine guidance. These writings; Matthew, Luke, Mark
and John, were never originally to be the Gospel. Therefore, Mark 1:1 can
not be a true statement that his writing is the gospel of Jesus.

It should be mentioned that Muslims must believe in all Divine scriptures in
their original form, their Prophets and making no distinction between them:
The Suhuf (Abraham); Torah (Moses); Psalms (David); Gospel - or the Injeel
(Jesus); and the Quran (Muhammad sallallahu 'alaihi wassalam). It is clearly
stated in the Quran 3:3 that Allah sent down the Torah and the Gospel.
However, none of these scriptures remains in its original form now, except
the Quran, which was sent for all mankind everywhere and for all times.

In addition to other reasons why the Quran was sent to mankind, as mentioned
in 18:4-5 it was sent to warn the Christians of a terrible punishment from
God if they cease not in saying:

"Allah has begotten a son."

Muslims sincerely believe that everything Jesus (May the peace and blessing
of Allah be upon him) preached was from God; the Gospel (Injeel): The "good
news" and the guidance of God for the Children of Israel. There is no place
mentioned in the present four Gospels that Jesus wrote a single word of his
Gospel, nor is it mentioned that Jesus instructed anyone to do so. What
passes off, as the "Gospels" today are the works of third party human hands.
The Quran 2:79 says:

"And woe to those who write the book with their own hands and they say:
"This is from Allah (God)." To traffic with it for a miserable price! So woe
to them for what their hands do write, and woe to them for what they earn
thereby!"

Jesus As the Son of God

Is Jesus the Son of God? Matthew 3:17 could be used by some Christians to
support the divine Sonship of Jesus. If Matthew 3:17, "And Lo a voice for
heaven, saying, this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased," is used
to support divine Sonship, then there should be no other verse that
contradicts or gives equal divine Sonship to another person or persons in
the Old or New Testament. However, many references were found in the Old and
New Testaments that mentioned someone other than Jesus as having a divine
Sonship to God. See Exodus 4:22:

"Israel is my son, even my firstborn." II Samuel 7:14 and I Chronicles
22:10: "...and he shall be my son (Solomon)." Jeremiah 31:9: "...and Ephraim
is my firstborn." Also, Psalm 2:7.

The word "Son" must not be accepted literally because God addresses many of
his chosen servants as son and sons. The Jews have also claimed Ezra to be
the Son of God. The New Testament Greek words used for "son" (pias and
paida, which mean servant or son in the sense of servant) are translated as
son in reference to Jesus and as servant in reference to others in some
translations of the Bible.

Further, the term "Father" as used by Jesus corresponds more closely to the
term Rabb, i.e. One who nourishes and sustains, so that in Jesus' doctrine,
God is "Father" - Nourisher and Sustainer - of all men. The New Testament
also interprets "son of God" to be mystical: "For as many as are led by the
Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14). This mystical
suggestion is further supported with Jesus being called the only begotten
Son of God.

In Psalm 2:7, the Lord said to David:

"...Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee."

Does this mean that God had two sons? Jesus also said that God is not only
his Father but also your Father (Matthew 5:45, 48). Luke 3:38 says:

"...Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the Son of God."

Who is mentioned in Hebrews 7:3 as like unto the Son of God? It is
Melchisedec, King of Salem, as mentioned in Hebrews 7:1. He (Melchisedec) is
more unique than Jesus or Adam. Why is he not preferred to be the Son of
God? Moreover, Adam did not have a mother or father, but was the first human
being created by God and in the likeness of God to exist in the Garden of
Eden and on earth. Wouldn't this give more rights to Adam to be called the
Son of God in its truest meaning?

I would like to share with you an obvious contradiction between John 3:16,
Luke 10:25-28 and Matthew 19:16-17. John 3:16 reads:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten, Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Now let's read Luke 10:25-28:

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master,
what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, what is written
in the law? How readest Thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the
Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself. And he said
unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and Thou shalt live.

These verses tell us that the inheritance of eternal life is for anyone who
believes and worships no other God, but the One True God. Luke 10:25-28
agrees with Matthew 19:16-17 which says;

"And behold, one came and said to him (Jesus), Good teacher, what good
things shall I do that I may have eternal life? So he (Jesus) said to him,
'Why do you call me good? - No one is good but One that is, God. But if you
want to enter into eternal life, keep the commandments."

There is no commandment that says to worship Jesus, but there that tells us
to worship God alone.

In Luke 4:41, Jesus refused to be called the Son of God by demons. Do you
think that Jesus would rebuke the demons, or anyone else for that matter,
for telling the truth? Unquestionably, no! Jesus rebuked the demons because
they were saying something false by calling him the Son of God. Also, if the
demons knew that Jesus was the Christ, for Jesus to shut them up because
they called him the Christ is a contradiction to Jesus' mission.

In Luke 9:20 & 21, Jesus said unto his disciples:

"But who say ye that I am? Peter answered saying, "The Christ of God, and
Jesus straightly charged them and commanded them to tell no man that thing."

Furthermore, verses like John 3:2, John 6:14, John 7:40, Matthew 21:11, Luke
7:16 and 24:19 confirm that Jesus accepted the title of teacher, Prophet and
called himself the son of man in Matthew 8:20, 12:40, 17:9 & 12, 26:24, Luke
9:26, 22:48, 22:69, and 24:7. The most conclusive verse that says Jesus is
the son (servant) of man is Mark 14:26 where Jesus is mentioning the Day of
Reckoning. Jesus specifically said we would see the son of man, not the Son
of God, sitting in the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of
heaven.

The act of begetting is a physical act and such act is against God's nature.
The Qur'an 19:35 says:

"It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son.
Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be," and it
is." (Maryam 19:35)

The teachings of Jesus as the Son of God were not preached by Jesus nor
accepted by Jesus, but were taught by Paul as supported in Acts 9:20:

"And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of
God."

Did Jesus ever claim to be God or say, "Here am I, your God, worship me"?
The answer is no. For there is no single, unequivocal statement in the Bible
whereby Jesus himself declares, "I am God, therefore worship me." Virtually
all of the more than two thousand verses of the epistles of Paul are his own
fabrications to include Romans 9:5 that says, depending upon which Bible you
read:

"...Christ came, who is overall, the eternally blessed God."

Christians should know that Paul himself mentions his own gospel, not Jesus,
in his epistle to the Romans when he says in Romans 2:16:

"In the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ,
according to my gospel."

In face, the Pauline epistle to the Romans serves as the foundation of today's
Christianity. Thus, it is the Christians whose efforts will be wasted in
this life as they think they were acquiring good by their works when they
attribute partners to God, as stated in Chapter 18:103-106 of the Qur'an:

"Say: Shall we tell you of those who lost most in respect of their deeds?
Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that
they were acquiring good by their works?" they are those who deny the Signs
of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter):
vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of judgment, give them
any weight. That is their reward, Hell; because they rejected Faith, and
took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest.

(Al-Kahf 18:103-106)

Indeed, it is so strange and ironic, knowing that none of Paul's epistle to
the Romans, more than 430 verses, were ever formulated by Jesus. Paul should
have made direct reference to the pristine teachings of Jesus, if only the
former claim for apostleship by divine inspiration was indeed true. Instead,
large parts of his epistles' Biblical quotations (notably those in the
Epistle to the Romans) were taken from the Old Testament - Genesis, Exodus,
Leviticus, Deuteronomy, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Ezekiel
and Hosea. His epistles were, indeed a product of tedious efforts, but that
does not make Paul far better than any of the other men who authored the
Bible, nor does it make him a Prophet.

Other practices that were adopted under Paul included the following: the
Roman sun-day as the Christian Sabbath; the traditional birthday of the
Sun-god as the birthday of Jesus; the emblem of the sun-god (the cross of
light) to be the emblem of Christians; and, the incorporation of all the
ceremonies which were performed at the Sun-god's birthday celebrations.

As I come to a close concerning the position of Christ, I would like to ask
my Christian reader bow down and pray earnestly to God and ask Him to invoke
His curse on you, your wife, your sons, and your daughters if what you
believe about Christ (Christ is God, Son of God or part of a trinity of God)
are false. Likewise, I have learned that if you asked a Muslim to earnestly
pray to God to invoke His curse on him, his wife, his sons, and his
daughters if what he is saying about Christ (Prophet, Messenger of God, A
Word from God) are false, the Muslims are firm in their faith knowing that
Christ is not God, nor the Son of God and nor part of a trinity of God. This
exercise of asking God to invoke His curse on you and your family may sound
a bit cruel, but it would prove two points: (1) you would know that you are
on the wrong path; and, (2) it would put you on the right path.

The Crucifixion and Atonement

A very significant event in the Christian doctrine is the Crucifixion of
Jesus. Before talking about the many controversies surrounding the
Crucifixion, it should be mentioned that it was a gospel of Paul's which
professed the Crucifixion/Resurrection of Jesus (II Timothy 2:8): "Remember
that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to
my gospel."

In addition, the gospel of the resurrection in Mark 16:9-20 was already
removed from the text by gospel writers in the 1952 edition of the Revised
Standard Version and then, for some reasons, restored in the 1971 edition.
In many Bibles, if not removed, it is printed in small print or between two
brackets and with commentary (See the Revised Standard Version, New American
Bible and New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures).

The traditional biblical account of Jesus' Crucifixion is that he was
arrested and crucified by the orders and plans of the chief priest and
Jewish elders. This account was denied in the 1960's by the highest Catholic
Christian authority, the Pope. He issued a statement in which he said the
Jews had nothing to do with Jesus' Crucifixion.

Did any one of the disciples or the writers of the Gospel see the
Crucifixion or the Resurrection? No! In Mark 14:50, it says the disciples
forsook Jesus and fled. Even Peter forsook Jesus after the cock crowed three
times as Jesus foretold:

(Matthew 26:75) And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him,
Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept
bitterly.

The most likely persons whom may have witnessed this moment in Jesus' life
were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, the mother of
Zebedee's children and other women (Matthew 27:55-56). However, there is no
statement or account in the Gospels from those women as to what they saw or
heard.

The disciple(s) found the sepulchre where Jesus was laid down, empty, and
made the conclusion that he was resurrected because the disciples and other
witnesses saw him alive after the alleged Crucifixion. Nobody saw the moment
he was resurrected. Jesus himself stated that he did not die on the cross in
Luke 24:36-41, as explained in the following paragraphs.

Early Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene went to the sepulchre, which was empty.
She saw somebody standing who looked like a gardener. She recognized him
after a conversation to be Jesus and wanted to touch him. Jesus said (John
20:17):

"Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father..."

Now read Luke 24:36-41:

"And as they (disciples) thus spoke, Jesus himself stood in the midst of
them and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and
frightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them,
Why are you troubled? And why so thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my
hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me end see; for a spirit hath
not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he
showed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy,
and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a
piece of boiled fish and of a honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before
them."

Does a spiritual or dead body have a need to eat food? Jesus eating of food
was to prove to the disciples that he was not a spirit, but rather, he was
still alive and not dead.

Jesus being alive and not dead is further supported in his own prophecy
(Matthew 12:40):

"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall
the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Did Jesus fulfill this miracle? Christians would say "yes," because Jesus
died and rose three days later according to Luke 24:36 and Matthew 20:19, to
name a few verses. However, in line with the miracle of Jonah and according
to the Bible, Jesus only spent one day and two nights in the sepulchre, and
not three days and three nights as he prophesied.

Jesus was put in the sepulchre just before sunset on Friday (Good Friday)
and was found missing before sunrise on Sunday (Easter). If we were to
s-t-r-e-t-c-h the time frame a bit, one may say that Jesus spent three days
in the earth, but there is no way and I repeat, no way, that Jesus spent
three nights in the earth. We must not forget that the Gospels are explicit
in telling us that it was "before sunrise" on Sunday morning that Mary
Magdalene went to the tomb of Jesus and found it empty.

Consequently, there are some inconsistencies as to whether Jesus fulfilled
his own prophecy. Whether he was actually crucified, or if the day (Good
Friday) of his alleged Crucifixion is wrong. Another significant point to
mention is that Jonah was alive in the belly of the whale. The Christians
says, Jesus was dead in the belly of the earth/tomb, and this contradicts
Jesus' own prophecy. Jesus said (Luke 11:30):

"As Jonah was...so shall the Son of man be."

If Jonah was alive, so was Jesus.

One critical event that took place before the alleged Crucifixion was the
prayer of Jesus to God for help. Luke 22:42:

"Saying Father if thou be willing, remove this cup (of death) from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine be done."

Jesus' prayer not to die on the cross was accepted by God according to Luke
22:43 and Hebrews 5:7. Therefore, if all of Jesus' prayer were accepted by
God, including not to die on the cross, how could he have died on the cross?

In Matthew 27:46, it states that while Jesus was on the cross, he said:

"Eli, Eli, lama sabachtani (My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?).

If Jesus said these words, it represents a blatant declaration of disbelief
according to all theological authorities. This is a great insult as such
words could only come from an unbeliever in God. Further, it is incredible
that such words should come from a Prophet of God, because God never breaks
His promise and His Prophets never complained against His promise,
especially when the Prophet's mission is understood. It could be said that
whoever relates that this statement was said by a Prophet (Jesus), is a
disbeliever.

Muslims believe, as the Qur'an states, Jesus was not crucified. It was the
intention of his enemies to put him to death on the cross, but Allah saved
him from their plot. Qur'an 4:157:

"That they (Jews) said boasting, "We killed Christ Jesus, the son of Mary,
the Messenger of Allah, but they (Jews) killed him not, nor crucified
him..."

(An Nisa 4:157)

http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=article&id=232


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Islam is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

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> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your
> mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the
> time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities
> at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to
> a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an
> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, ............
> Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
>
>
> Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!
>
> in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
> politic...@googlegroups.com
> jam...@islamsa.org.za
> ds...@mweb.co.za
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> sanh...@sanha.org.za
> sanh...@sanha.org.za
> sanh...@sanha.org.za
> help...@sanha.org.za
> islamwa...@googlegroups.com
> furti...@gmail.com
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** moslem cartoon character
> mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child molesting goat fuckers and
> nikomaks
>
>
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>
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> sanh...@sanha.org.za
> sanh...@sanha.org.za
> help...@sanha.org.za
> islamwa...@googlegroups.com
> furti...@gmail.com
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
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> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your
> mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the
> time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities
> at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to
> a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an
> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, ............
> Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
>
>
> Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** moslem cartoon character
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Islam is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

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I'm in the process of reading the Kor'an right now. So far it seems
repetitive and not logical, but I suppose that there were no Torah,
Jews or Christians it would be better than worshiping idols.
Christianity is somewhat idolatrous but you have to admit that story
of Jesus Christ is full of love, curing and peace until the evil
spirits inside humans caused him to be murdered. But I think that if
Hashem wanted us to worship Jesus Christ he would have instructed us
to do so in the Torah instead of instructing us to worship Him
(Hashem) only.

Islam is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

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Be Aware.

A troll Trying to sneak on line, anti-Islam trolls still at large spreading
hater against Muslims and Islam!!

Warning there are anti-Islam forgers and trolls amongst us, proceed with
caution

Be Aware. A Troll Trying to Sneak online

...I hate these freakin trolls...

anti-Islam trolls spreading hater against Muslims and Islam!!

They are spamming the Newsgroups with intent to hinder normal discussions
and stealing emails and aliases to post off topic and hatred-filled,
divisive rubbish on Board...... NOW they get involve in unauthorized
cancellation

Be Aware.

Letter to Non Muslims

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Dear Seeker of Truth,


No one is compelled to accept the truth, but it is certainly a shame upon
the human intellect when a man is not even interested in finding out what
the truth is!

Islam teaches that our Creator has given human beings the faculty of reason.
Therefore, it is incumbent upon them to reason things out objectively and
systematically for themselves to ponder, to question and to reflect.

Nobody should press you to make a hasty decision to accept any of the
teachings of Islam, for Islam teaches that human beings should be given the
freedom to choose. Even when a person is faced with the truth, there is no
compulsion upon him to embrace it.

But before you begin to form an opinion about Islam, ask yourself whether
your existing knowledge about it is thorough enough. Ask yourself whether
that knowledge has been obtained through third party sources who themselves
have probably been exposed to only random glimpses of Islamic writings and
have yet to reason out on Islam objectively and systematically themselves.

Is it fair enough that one should form an opinion about the taste of a
particular dish just by a mere hearsay from others who may themselves have
not necessarily tasted the dish yet?

Similarly you should find out for yourself about Islam from reliable sources
and not only taste it, but rather digest it very well before you form an
opinion of it. That would be an intellectual approach to the truth.

In making your next move to the truth, Islam continually reassures you that
your rights to freedom of choice and freedom to use that God- given faculty
of thought and reason will be respected, for everyone has that individual
will. No one else can take away that will and force you to submit to the
true way of your Creator, you have to find out and make that decision
yourself!

May your intellectual journey towards the truth be a pleasant and fruitful
one.

Whatever you think, Whatever you Believe In There is No Harm In Searching
For The Truth And Studying Islam.

You will have to find and make that decision yourself.

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Islam is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

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> Fartass Jewad wrote:
>> 'HONOR' KILLING FOR GOD
>> DAD'S SICK 'CONFESSION'
>> By AUSTIN FENNER in Clayton County, Ga., and HASANI GITTENS in NY
>>
>> Posted: 3:56 am
>> August 6, 2008
>>
>> A Muslim father accused of murdering his daughter in a so-called
>> "honor killing" told cops God would look out for him, as he confessed
>> to the grisly strangulation, authorities said yesterday.
>>
>> "God will protect me. God is watching," Pakistani immigrant Chaudhry
>> Rashid allegedly confessed to cops. "I strangled my daughter."
>>
>> At a preliminary hearing yesterday, Detective Mike Christian told a
>> judge Rashid copped to killing his daughter on July 6 with a bungee
>> cord because she had filed divorce papers and was having an
>> extramarital affair.
>>
>> Christian said Rashid was found sitting in his driveway smoking a
>> cigarette when cops arrested him.
>>
>> Rashid, 56, waddled into a Georgia courtroom yesterday in shackles to
>> fight murder charges in the death of his only daughter, Sandeela
>> Kanwal, 25, at his home in Jonesboro, an Atlanta suburb.
>>
>> Kanwal, who worked at a Wal-Mart, wanted to escape her loveless
>> six-year marriage to a Chicago man, Majid Latif, cops said.
>>
>> Rashid went into a murderous rage after apparently growing tired of
>> numerous arguments with his daughter, concerned that their clashing
>> cultural values would reflect poorly on him and his family, said the
>> detective.
>>
>> Rashid listened intently to the court proceeding as a court-appointed
>> interpreter translated the grim details of his daughter's murder into
>> his native Urdu.
>>
>> Defense attorney Alan Begner asked the judge to throw out the case
>> because of a lack of evidence, but he was turned down.
>>
>> He also downplayed the notion of "honor killing."
>>
>> "I have no comment about an honor killing or whether it's true or
>> relevant at all," said Begner. "It does a disservice to the man, his
>> family and his children."
>>
>> Hanny Lightfoot-Klein, who has worked in the Middle East and Africa
>> and written books on honor killings and genital mutilation in the
>> Muslim world, had another view.
>>
>> "They do not leave their customs behind when they cross borders, the
>> customs come right with them," she said.
>>
>> "If any woman in the family in any way does something that dishonors
>> the family, the whole family is dishonored, they are the laughingstock
>> of the whole community, because they 'don't know how to control their
>> women.'
>>
>> "And the only way this blight on their honor can be eradicated is to
>> kill the one who has committed the crime."
>>
>>
> Bastards

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:: The Bible Led Me To Islam

::
:: Abdul Malik LeBlanc tells how he discovered Islam within the pages
:: of Bible Taken from International Edition Voice of Islam
:: November 1998, Page 25
::


The bible has different effects on different people.--

Prodigal son
By Avi Issacharoff
Tags: Hamas, converts, Christians

CALIFORNIA - A moment before beginning his dinner, Masab, son of West
Bank Hamas leader Sheikh Hassan Yousef, glances at the friend who has
accompanied him to the restaurant where we met. They whisper a few
words and then say grace, thanking God and Jesus for putting food on
their plates.

It takes a few seconds to digest this sight: The son of a Hamas MP who
is also the most popular figure in that extremist Islamic organization
in the West Bank, a young man who assisted his father for years in his
political activities, has become a rank-and-file Christian. A few
seconds later, he is savoring his meal, explaining that he hasn't been
eating much recently because of financial problems. During the past
week he has been living with the friend, a Christian, of course, whom
he met at church. "Without him," he says, "I would have become
homeless."

The younger Yousef is well aware of the implications of this
interview, and how it will likely offend his family, as well as of the
slim chance that he will be able to return to Ramallah one day. But
apparently he is on a crusade of his own. "I know that I'm endangering
my life and am even liable to lose my father, but I hope that he'll
understand this and that God will give him and my family the patience
and willingness to open their eyes to Jesus and to Christianity. Maybe
one day I'll be able to return to Palestine and to Ramallah together
with Jesus, in the Kingdom of God."

"I'm now called Joseph," he says at the outset. A few seconds earlier
he had received me with greetings in Arabic: "Ahalan wasahalan. I'm
very excited that you're here," he said, switching to a few words in
Hebrew: "Shalom, ma nishma [What's up]?" he laughed.

We met for the first time about four years ago, outside the military
prison at the Ofer Camp, only about half a kilometer from the family
home in the town of Bitunia, near Ramallah. His father, not a member
of parliament at the time, was one of the founders of Hamas in the
West Bank and one of the prisoners' leaders; he was supposed to be
released after several years' imprisonment for membership in the
organization. In order to arrange an interview with Sheikh Hassan
Yousef (Abu Masab), I had to speak to his eldest son, Masab, who was
expected to take an active part in running his father's political
affairs in the future. When I saw him in the prison parking lot I was
surprised by his unusual appearance, which deviated from the dress
code expected of relatives of senior Hamas leaders. Without a beard or
even a goatee, he sported a Western haircut, jeans and a
motorcyclist's leather jacket. But the media uproar that accompanied
his father's appearance made me forget his "improper" appearance.

Since then, the young man has hardly changed. He is 30 years old and
has lost several kilos ("because I don't eat much"), his hair is
short, he is suntanned and looks like just another young Israeli in
California. Most of the interview is conducted in English, mostly so
that his friend Ryan will understand.

"As a child I grew up in a very religious family, on the principle of
hatred of Israelis. The first time I encountered them was at about the
age of 10, when soldiers entered our home and arrested my father.
Until then I had never been separated from him. We didn't know
anything about the circumstances of his arrest. His membership in
Hamas was a secret matter, and we certainly didn't think he was one of
its founders. I didn't understand anything about politics or religion.
I only knew that the Israeli army had arrested my father repeatedly,
and for me he was everything: a good, loving man who would do anything
for me. He took care of us, bought us gifts, gave of himself, whereas
the soldiers entered our house and took him away from me. In high
school I studied sharia, Islamic law. In 1996, when I was only 18, I
was arrested by the Israel Defense Forces because I was the head of
the Islamic Society in my high school. It's a kind of youth movement
of the organization. And my process of awakening began."

What happened?

Masab-Joseph: "Until then I knew Hamas through my father, who lived a
very modest and loving life. At first I really admired the
organization, mainly because I admired my father so much. But during
the 16 months I spent in prison I was exposed to the true face of
Hamas. It's a negative organization. As simple as that. A
fundamentally bad organization. I sat in Megiddo Prison and suddenly I
understood who the real Hamas was. Their leaders in prison received
better conditions, such as the best food, as well as more family
visits and towels for the shower. These people have no morals, they
have no integrity. But they aren't as stupid as Fatah, which steals in
broad daylight in front of everyone and is immediately suspected of
corruption. [Hamas people] receive money in dishonest ways, invest it
in secret places, and outwardly maintain a simple lifestyle. Sooner or
later they will use this money and screw the people.

"Nobody knows them and how they operate as well as I do. For example,
I remember how the family of Saleh Talahmeh, a member of the military
arm of Hamas, who was assassinated by Israel, was forced to beg for
financial assistance because they were left with nothing after his
death. The Hamas leadership abandoned them as well as the families of
other shaheeds [martyrs], while the senior members of the organization
abroad wasted tens of thousand of dollars a month only on security for
themselves."

For example?

"Even some of the current leaders of Hamas were involved in the past
in the 'security arm' in the prisons, so that he is among those
responsible for these acts. They were suspicious of prisoners who
spent too much time in the bathroom, even if it was only an upset
stomach. They suspected that the prisoner was transferring information
or alternatively having sexual relations with other men. A homosexual.
The gays were immediately suspected of collaboration. Then I
understood that not everyone in Hamas is like my father. He's a nice,
friendly man. But I discovered how evil his colleagues are. After my
release I lost the faith I had in those who ostensibly represented
Islam."

Were you tortured?

"No. I enjoyed immunity because of my father's status."

'Jesus loves me'

Masab-Joseph has five brothers and two sisters. He is in regular
contact with them and keeps them informed of his situation. However,
until recently he refrained from telling his family that he had
converted to Christianity, and at the time of this interview his
father the sheikh still did not know that his son had converted. And
in spite of the secrecy surrounding his conversion, sometimes he seems
like a veteran missionary who is trying to get entire communities to
change.

"You'll see, this interview will open many people's eyes, it will
shake Islam from the roots, and I'm not exaggerating. What other case
do you know where a son of a Hamas leader, who was raised on the
tenets of extremist Islam, comes out against it? Although I was never
a terrorist, I was a part of them, surrounded by them all the time."

How were you exposed to Christianity?

"It began about eight years ago. I was in Jerusalem and I received an
invitation to come and hear about Christianity. Out of curiosity I
went. I was very enthusiastic about what I heard. I began to read the
Bible every day and I continued with religion lessons. I did it in
secret, of course. I used to travel to the Ramallah hills, to places
like the Al Tira neighborhood, and to sit there quietly with the
amazing landscape and read the Bible. A verse like "Love thine enemy"
had a great influence on me. At this stage I was still a Muslim and I
thought that I would remain one. But every day I saw the terrible
things done in the name of religion by those who considered themselves
'great believers.' I studied Islam more thoroughly and found no
answers there. I reexamined the Koran and the principals of the faith
and found how it is mistaken and misleading. The Muslims borrowed
rituals and traditions from all the surrounding religions."

But they all did that.

He doesn't respond to this comment directly. "I feel that Christianity
has several aspects. It's not only a religion but a faith. I now see
God through Jesus and can tell about him for days on end, whereas the
Muslims won't be able to say anything about God. I consider Islam a
big lie. The people who supposedly represent the religion admired
Mohammed more than God, killed innocent people in the name of Islam,
beat their wives and don't have any idea what God is. I have no doubt
that they'll go to Hell. I have a message for them: There is only one
way to Paradise - the way of Jesus who sacrificed himself on the cross
for all of us."

Four years ago, he decided to convert. He says that nobody in his
family knew about it. "Only those Christians with whom I met and spent
time knew about my decision. For years I helped my father, the Hamas
leader, and he didn't know that I had converted, only that I had
Christian friends."

I remember how you dressed at the time. How were you accepted in
Hamas?

"You have to understand, I was never one of them. Although I helped my
father and accompanied him, I was always opposed to the use of terror.
Hamas members didn't like me. I didn't come to pray in the mosques, I
hung around with strangers. They didn't like my leather jacket or even
my jeans. They considered it going astray. But I helped my father and
conducted his affairs because he's my father, not because he's a
leader in Hamas. I'm not a Hamas activist who converted to
Christianity. That's not the story. I wanted to help my father
understand that harming innocent people is forbidden and through him
perhaps to change other people's thinking."

What is Hamas' attitude toward Christians? What is your father's
attitude?

"When I was with my father, I in effect pushed a moderate Hamas leader
into making logical decisions, such as stopping the attacks and
establishing two states alongside one another. I felt responsible. It
was better for me to be there rather than a gang of fools who would
poison his mind. I tried to understand those people, their thoughts,
in order to change them from inside by means of a strong person like
my father, who admitted to me in the past that he does not support
suicide attacks. He thinks that harming innocent people gives the
organization a bad name. The sheikh once said to me that when he sees
an insect outside the house he is careful not to harm it, 'so what can
I say about harming civilians?'

"But within Hamas there were other leaders, mainly from the Gaza Strip
and Damascus, who thought they had to continue with suicide attacks as
an effective means of achieving their aims. The problem was that they
were stronger than my father in terms of their status in the
organization. What helped stop the attacks in the final analysis was
Israel's attacks against the Hamas leaders."

How involved was your father in making decisions in Hamas?

"He had no connection to the military arm, but they always consulted
him about strategic decisions. The Hamas leadership did not make
decisions only according to the opinion of the organization leaders in
Syria or Gaza. However, you have to remember that the Hamas leadership
in Damascus was in control of the organization's money. Therefore it
had the most influence on organization policy. They were also the only
ones who were not restricted in contacting one another, as opposed to
the leaderships in the West Bank and Gaza, so that they also served as
go-betweens among all the groups in Hamas. And incidentally, although
they now claim that the revolution in Gaza was not planned, I can tell
you from clear knowledge that a year earlier, in the summer of 2006,
they spoke among themselves to the effect that if the tension with
Fatah continued, they intended to take control of the Strip."

Regards to Israel

Masab-Joseph listens to singer Eyal Golan in his free time. "I've been
listening to his music for 10 years," he says. "I like his voice but
don't always understand the words." However, his favorite singer is
Leonard Cohen. "He's a Canadian Jew," he explains.

He has a bachelor's degree in geography and history from the Al-Quds
Open University in Ramallah, but in the United States he has
difficulty finding work. He has plenty of free time, and participates
in religion lessons and prayers in the church at least once a week.
Every few days he plays football with friends from the church, and
surfing is a must. This is California, after all.

When he was working in his father's office, he encountered Hamas
leaders as well as members of the Palestinian and Israeli security
services and Israeli journalists, who often spoke with the sheikh. He
does not conceal the fact that he supported contact with the Israeli
media and has almost warm feelings for Israel. "Send regards to
Israel, I miss it."

You miss Israel?

"I respect Israel and admire it as a country. I'm opposed to a policy
of killing civilians, or using them as a means to an end, and I
understand that Israel has a right to defend itself. The Palestinians,
if they don't have an enemy to fight, will fight each other. In about
20 years from now you'll remember what I'm telling you, the conflict
will be among various groups within Hamas. They're already beginning
to quarrel over control of the money."

He does not conceal his abhorrence of everything representing the
human surroundings in which he grew up: the nation, the religion, the
organization.

"You Jews should be aware: You will never, but never have peace with
Hamas. Islam, as the ideology that guides them, will not allow them to
achieve a peace agreement with the Jews. They believe that tradition
says that the Prophet Mohammed fought against the Jews and that
therefore they must continue to fight them to the death. They have to
take revenge against anyone who did not agree to accept the Prophet
Mohammed, like the Jews who are seen in the Koran as monkeys and the
sons of pigs. They speak in terms of historical rights that were taken
from them. In the view of Hamas, peace with Israel contradicts sharia
and the Koran, and the Jews have no right to remain in Palestine."

Is that the justification for the suicide attacks?

"More than that. An entire society sanctifies death and the suicide
terrorists. In Palestinian culture a suicide terrorist becomes a hero,
a martyr. Sheikhs tell their students about the 'heroism of the
shaheeds' and that causes the young people to imitate the suicide
bombers, in order to achieve glory. I'll give you an example. I once
met a young man named Dia Tawil. He was a quiet boy, an outstanding
student. Not a Muslim extremist and not radical in his ideas against
the Israelis. I never heard extreme statements from him. He didn't
even come from a religious family: His father was a communist and his
sister was a journalist who didn't wear a head covering. But Bilal
Barghouti [one of the heads of the military arm of Hamas in the West
Bank] didn't need more than a few months to convince him to become a
suicide terrorist." (Tawil, 19, blew himself up in March 2001 next to
a bus at the French Hill junction in Jerusalem; 31 people were
wounded.)

"Do you know that Hamas was the first to use the weapon of suicide
bombers against civilian targets?" he continues. "They are blind and
ignorant. It's true, there are good and bad people everywhere, but
Hamas supporters don't understand that they are led by a wicked and
cruel group that brainwashes the children and gets them to believe
that if they carry out a suicide attack they'll get to Paradise. But
no suicide bomber will find himself there and no virgins are waiting
for them after they have carried out an attack. They have to
understand that Islam was created by people and not by God."

Were there good people in Hamas?

"In my eyes there were all cruel, ugly inside. But I think that
Mahmoud Zahar [one of the leaders of Hamas in Gaza] is one of the
worst."

And yet, in spite of the criticism of the place he left, California
can't make the longings disappear. "I miss Ramallah," he says. "People
with an open mind. I liked to walk around among the buildings, the
restaurants, the people, to feel the night life. I have many friends
there whom I would like to see and I don't know whether I'll be able
to do that at all. I mainly miss my mother, my brothers and sisters,
but I know that it will be very difficult for me to return to Ramallah
soon."

Cloudy future

In spite of his financial distress, the severance from his family and
the loneliness, during the entire interview he sounded determined and
sure of himself. "I hope that I'll succeed one day in becoming a
writer, in order to write about my personal story and about the Middle
East conflict. But at the moment, at least, my ambitions are only to
find work, a place to live. I have no money, I have no apartment. I
was about to become one of those homeless people, but people from the
church are helping me. I'm dependent on them."

Why did you leave? After all, there are other Christians in Ramallah.

"I left behind a great deal of property in Ramallah in order to
achieve true freedom. I wanted to get to quiet surroundings that would
help me to open the eyes of the Muslims and reveal the truth to them
about their religion and about Christianity, to take them out of the
darkness and the prison of Islam. In that way they'll have an
opportunity to correct their mistakes, to become better people and to
bring a chance for peace in the Middle East. I don't give Islam a
chance to survive for more than 25 years. In the past they scared
people and in that way they prevented anti-religious publicity, but
today, in the modern age, they won't be able to hide the truth any
longer."

At the moment he doesn't have a partner, but he is relying on help
from above on this matter, too. "I hope that someday God will give the
opportunity to meet the right one. She will have to be a believing
Christian, and if she's a Jew who converted, even better."

There are things that Masab-Joseph is still afraid to talk about. In
the middle of the meeting he wanted us to go outside the restaurant in
order to make sure that I wasn't carrying listening or recording
devices.

"Many people will hate me for this interview, but I'm telling them
that I love all of them, even those who hate me. I invite all the
people, including the terrorists among them, to open their hearts and
believe. Now I'm trying to establish an international organization for
young people that will teach about Christianity, love and peace in the
territories, too. I would like to teach the young people how to love
and forgive, because that's the only way the two nations can overcome
the mistakes of the past and live in peace."W



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> Kayid Al-Kuffar wrote:
> :: The Bible Led Me To Islam
> ::
> :: Abdul Malik LeBlanc tells how he discovered Islam within the pages
> :: of Bible Taken from International Edition Voice of Islam
> :: November 1998, Page 25
> ::
>
>
> The bible has different effects on different people.--

Different uses too.

I find it very handy to raise the level of one of my computer displays.

Kope

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What does God want from us?

Be kind to fellow human being and animal, in return God will reward
us glorious life in paradise.


How to achieves a happy life in this world and in the hereafter?
What is the purpose of life ?
What does God want from us?
What is the key to Heaven?


What kind of people will enter Heaven {Paradise / Kingdom of God }?


People who believes in God And do good to other human being.


People who will inter heaven those are whom the other human are safe,
safe from his/her tongue and hand.


People who will inter heaven those are respect and honors all human
beings irrespective of their religion,color, race, gender, language,
status, property, birth, profession/job and so on.


People who stand out firmly for justice even as against yourselves or
your parents or your kin and whether it be against rich or poor.


People who have patience, forbearance, generosity, bravery, justice,
truthfulness, modesty, fulfilling the promise, satisfaction with
having only a little .


People who makes peace among the people.


People who say with their mouth what is in their heart.


People who do not shout. speak politely keeping their voice low.


People who honor old people is showing respect to God.


People who suppressed his anger, when he had in his power to show it,
God will give him great reward.


People who feed the hungry and visit the sick, and free the innocent.


People who are patient in adversity and forgive wrongs.


People who are nearest to God, who pardoneth, when he had in his
power him who would have injured him.


People who persistent in good actions.


People who speak only good words, otherwise remain silent.


People who feed the hungry, to help the afflicted, to lighten the
sorrow of the sorrowful, and to remove the wrongs of the injured.


People who kind to God's creatures, God is kind to him; therefore be
kind to man on earth, whether good or bad; and being kind to the bad,
is to withold him from badness, thus in heaven you will be treated
kindly.


People who admonish his wives with kindness.


People who enjoin one another to do what is good and forbid one
another to do what is evil.


People who love the poor and bring them near you God will bring you
near Him on the Day of Resurrection.


People who has the most complete faith is he/she who has the best
manners.


People who show forgiveness, enjoin what is good and turn away from
the foolish.


People who pardon and forgive other. do you not love that God should
forgive you?


People who choose best words to speak and say in the best possible
way.


People who always speak the truth. shun words that are deceitful and
ostentatious.


People who nice to people who work under your care.


People who willing to compromise.


People who dress modestly.


People who avoid watching dirty movies/ magazine.


People who avoid substance abuse such as drugs, alcohol, and tobacco.


People who earn an honest living are the beloved of God.


People who believe that a white has no superiority over a black nor a
black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.


You are not better than people (of other races) unless you excel them
in piety.


The best people are those who are most useful to others.


Whoever does not express his gratitude to people will never be
grateful to God


Power consists not in being able to strike another,
but in being able to control oneself when anger arises.


Honor your children and thus improve their manners.


God is merciful to those who show mercy to others.


Every son of Adam makes mistakes and the best of them are those who
repent.


Verily there are heavenly rewards for any act of kindness to a live
animal


Every good act is charity. A man's true wealth hereafter is the good
that he does in this world to his fellows.


the truthfulness lead to righteousness and righteousness lead to
paradise.


God enjoins you to treat women well, for they are your mothers,
daughters, aunts.


A sincere repenter of faults is like him who hath committed none.


How will God Almighty Judge us?


This life is a test for each individual for the life after death. and
the dead will be resurrected for judgment by God.


On the day of judgment God will judge each person on an individual
basis not our religious affiliation ie Islam, Christainty, Judaism,
Hinduism etc . God Almighty knows what's in the heart of man/woman
and will judge us based on our deeds and the choices we make in life.
Remember, one day you will appear before God (The Creator) and you
will answer for your deeds. It is your own conduct which will lead
you to reward or punishment, as if you had been destined therefor.


God says in the Holy Quran 67:2 “It is He who created death and life
for you that He may try you, as to which of you is best in works....


The Holy Quran, 21:47 "On the Day of Judgment, We shall set up scales
of justice so that no one will be dealt with unjustly in any way;
even if someone has an act as small as a grain of a mustard seed, We
will
bring it to account, and sufficient are We to settle the accounts."


The Holy Quran 16:111"The day will come when every soul will serve as
its own advocate, and every soul will be paid fully for whatever it
had done, without the least injustice."


The Holy Quran 4:124."As for those who lead a righteous life, male or
female, while believing, they enter Paradise; without the slightest
injustice."


The Holy Quran 2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who
follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,-
any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,
shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear,
nor
shall they grieve.


===============
i am a radical muslim please read my blog, READ how islam will win
the clash of civilization.


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for their crime to jews with land not palestinian.

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On Sep 6, 5:55 am, Kope <kope22...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What does God want from us?
>
> white-race put six millions jews in gas- chamber, white-race must pay
> for their crime to jews with land not palestinian.

How about Muslims? How about Muslim slavery which is still alive
today? How about Muslim genocide in Africa, ME, India? How about
molesting little girls sanctioned by the unholy Koran? Shouldn't
Muslims pay for their crimes?

Islam is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

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The Bible Led Me To Islam


Abdul Malik LeBlanc tells how he discovered Islam within the pages of Bible
Taken from International Edition Voice of Islam
November 1998, Page 25

RBRK

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Qahir Al-Ashrar

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Muslims should never come down to anti-Islam posters level. We are not like
them, nor do we ever want to be like them. We are Muslims, we are extremely
proud of it

Anti-Islam posters just can't take it anymore! They know that Islam growing
fast in America and Europe. In Africa too.... So they became desperate

In The Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His
Messenger

They want to blow out the Light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah
perfecting His Light no matter how much the disbeliever hate it.

(Qur'an 61:8)

Anti-Islam posters are busy spewing LIES, HATE, BIGOTRY and PREJUDICE
against Muslims and Islam.

Dealing with the dregs of humanity anti-Islam trolls

Anti-Islam troll those who continuously posting off topic and hate- filled,
divisive rubbish on board. They have something in common, they post
inflammatory, inaccurate, abusive, obscene, profane and racially offensive
material. I would like to outline some basics of how to deal with anti-Islam
trolls?

Generally speaking, ignore the flame-bait!!

Do not feed the animals, do not feed the anti-Islam Trolls. Generally
speaking, all of these filthy messages should be ignored, and left to expire
from the news feed. Anti-Islam trolls who post articles of this nature are
out looking for trouble and trying to create it.

They are morally bankrupt, rude and hostile you don't need to sink to their
low level of immorality and filth.

If you do feel the need to write something to them, respond in private
e-mail to them - despite the facts that they posts via invalid or stolen
emails- Otherwise, please leave matters to the experienced posters. They've
had to deal with these situations many times before and know what route to
take.

If we don't follow these guidelines, we would all descend into anarchy, and
the whole point of the group would be lost.

Having said all that, I believe, Islam had faced 1400 years of attacks from
extreme religious people of other faiths. It not only survived, it actually
became the fastest growing religion of the world!

Warning there anti-Islam forgers and trolls amongst us, proceed with caution

Get The Holy Quran. It is absolutely FREE

http://www.freequran.org/

Useful links

http://cair.com/default.asp

www.islamonline.net

http://www.muslimheritage.com/Default.aspx

http://www.studying-islam.org/index.aspx

Notice that anti-Islam trolls are busy trying to cheat us !!


Qahir Al-Ashrar

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Christianity

Various Holy Bibles

The Gospels

God is "Father" – Nourisher and Sustainer – of all men. The New Testament

‘Why do you call me good? – No one is good but One that is, God. But if you

(Al-Kahf 18:103-106)

Epistle to the Romans) were taken from the Old Testament – Genesis, Exodus,

B.H. Cramer

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<stat...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 6, 5:55 am, Kope <kope22...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What does God want from us?
>
> white-race put six millions jews in gas- chamber, white-race must pay
> for their crime to jews with land not palestinian.

>How about Muslims? How about Muslim slavery which is still alive
>today?

Must be a semitic thing. Slavery is alive and well in Ersatz israel,
statenstein.

>How about Muslim genocide in Africa, ME, India?

Doesn't match the genocide the yids are perpetrating against the Arabs,
statenstein.

>How about
>molesting little girls sanctioned by the unholy Koran?

Not mentioned in the Koran, statenstein. But it IS permitted in the yid's
stinky talmud.
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh28/BenCramer1/Talmud_kethuboth58.jpg


>Shouldn't
>Muslims pay for their crimes?

All should pay for their crimes, statenstein. Including the stinky yids.


stat...@lycos.com

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On Sep 6, 8:19 pm, "B.H. Cramer" <benjis...@yourinvitation.com> wrote:
> <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message

>
> news:2f758459-1570-443e...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 6, 5:55 am, Kope <kope22...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > What does God want from us?
>
> > white-race put six millions jews in gas- chamber, white-race must pay
> > for their crime to jews with land not palestinian.

> >How about Muslims? How about Muslim slavery which is still alive
> >today?
>
> Must be a semitic thing. Slavery is alive and well in Ersatz israel,
> statenstein.

Your problem is, junkey, you are under influence of drugs today
again. Google up the word "Drafur" . The alive slavery is there and
Muslims are in full charge.

>
> >How about Muslim genocide in Africa, ME, India?

> Doesn't match the genocide the yids are perpetrating against the Arabs,
> statenstein.


Don't be ridiculous , Muslim marionette. The pre-Islamic Arabs were
the first ones to taste Mohammed's thirst for blood, lust and power.
The choice for the nature and idol-worshipping pre Muslim Arabs was
only Islam or Death. Now scratch your stupid head and answer a simple
question- where are the nature and idol-worshipping Arabs today?

> >How about
> >molesting little girls sanctioned by the unholy Koran?
>
> Not mentioned in the Koran, statenstein. But it IS permitted in the yid's

> stinky >talmud.http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh28/BenCramer1/Talmud_kethuboth58...

Stupido, You have no clue what the Koran says. After his first normal
marriage with Khadija, Mohammed married
a daughter of his follower Abu Bakr. Aisha was just seven years old
when Mohammed married her and she was only nine years old when he had
sex with her. This is the inspiration for all the Arabs and Muslims of
today to pick up child brides. This flagrant child molestation was
approved by the "holy" man Ahayollah Khomeiny who said it's OK to
have sex with baby girl infants providing there is "no penetration" .
Kissing, fondling and "thighing" is OK. Do you know what "thighing"
mean? It's a technique used by Muslim pious men when the child's legs
are pressed together and the abuser inserts his penis between the
thighs of the little boy or girl. This is the way how Mohammed had
sex with his wife, Aisha, from the time she was six years old . The
"holy" guy Ayatollah Khomeini in his Little Green Book asserted “It
is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who
is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her
thighs, enjoying infant's frigile body and to kiss her.” You surely
got to be a very good Muslim while copulating with the thighs of an
infant. 


>
> >Shouldn't
> >Muslims pay for their crimes?
>
> All should pay for their crimes, statenstein. Including the stinky yids.

I still yet to hear your voice against Muslim crimes, Muslim puppet.
Begin from the child molestation sanctioned by the Koran and approved
by the Muslim's religious highest authorities if you want clear
yourself of being an inveterate hypocrite, liar and hardened Muslim
boot-polisher.


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<stat...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 6, 8:19 pm, "B.H. Cramer" <benjis...@yourinvitation.com> wrote:
> <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2f758459-1570-443e...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 6, 5:55 am, Kope <kope22...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > What does God want from us?
>
> > white-race put six millions jews in gas- chamber, white-race must pay
> > for their crime to jews with land not palestinian.

> >How about Muslims? How about Muslim slavery which is still alive
> >today?
>
> Must be a semitic thing. Slavery is alive and well in Ersatz israel,
> statenstein.

>Your problem is, junkey, you are under influence of drugs today
>again. Google up the word "Drafur" . The alive slavery is there and
>Muslims are in full charge.

I tried your "Drafur" thingie, statenstein - Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

Slavery is alive and well in Ersatz israel, sunschein.

The brothels are full of sex slaves from Europe and izzie homes are full of
Filippina slaves.


>
> >How about Muslim genocide in Africa, ME, India?

> Doesn't match the genocide the yids are perpetrating against the Arabs,
> statenstein.


>Don't be ridiculous , Muslim marionette. The pre-Islamic Arabs were
>the first ones to taste Mohammed's thirst for blood, lust and power.
>The choice for the nature and idol-worshipping pre Muslim Arabs was
>only Islam or Death. Now scratch your stupid head and answer a simple
>question- where are the nature and idol-worshipping Arabs today?

Fuckwit. It's the here and now that is the problem. Not some historical
horseshit.

> >How about
> >molesting little girls sanctioned by the unholy Koran?
>
> Not mentioned in the Koran, statenstein. But it IS permitted in the yid's
> stinky
> >talmud.http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh28/BenCramer1/Talmud_kethuboth58...

>Stupido, You have no clue what the Koran says.

But I do, statenstein.

>After his first normal
>marriage with Khadija, Mohammed married
>a daughter of his follower Abu Bakr. Aisha was just seven years old
>when Mohammed married her and she was only nine years old when he had
>sex with her.

But it's not in the Koran, dickwad. As you claimed.

The link I provide shows clearly that the yids, to this day, still think
it's kosher to shag three year olds.

When do you acquire a brain, statenstein?

Tilly

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What a complete load of crap.


>
> When do you acquire a brain, statenstein?

--
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Nope. It's so written in your stinky talmud, twatty.

Didn't you follow the link to the photographs of the page out of said stinky
book?

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh28/BenCramer1/Talmud_kethuboth58.jpg

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On Sep 6, 8:19 pm, "B.H. Cramer" <benjis...@yourinvitation.com> wrote:

> <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:2f758459-1570-443e...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 6, 5:55 am, Kope <kope22...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > What does God want from us?

> > white-race put six millions jews in gas- chamber, white-race must pay
> > for their crime to jews with land not palestinian.
> >How about Muslims? How about Muslim slavery which is still alive
> >today?

>> Must be a semitic thing. Slavery is alive and well in Ersatz israel,
>> statenstein.

>Your problem is,  junkey, you are under influence of drugs today
>again. Google up the word "Drafur" . The alive slavery is there and
>Muslims are in full charge.


**I tried your "Drafur" thingie, statenstein - Nothing. Nada. Zip.
Zilch.

This is because you are as stupid as a dildo and that's why couldn't
find anything. Read below , baboon, educate yourself.

 Probe of Darfur 'slavery' starts 
By Joseph Winter 
BBC News  


Are the Janjaweed also taking slaves? 

Lawyers in Sudan's Darfur region are investigating reports of slavery
during the conflict, the BBC has learned. 
"There are many cases of abductions," a Sudanese lawyer told the BBC. 

They are too afraid of possible reprisals from either militias or
state security agents to give their names but say there is strong
evidence. 

"It is happening but on a smaller scale than in the south," one
Sudanese human rights worker said. Some 11,000 people were enslaved in
the north-south war. 

Arab pro-government "Murahaleen" militias rode their horses into
southern villages, killing men, raping women, looting anything they
found and burning the huts. 

Muslims are strictly forbidden to enslave fellow Muslims 

Darfur lawyer 

The Darfur conflict broke out just as the war in the south was coming
to an end and eyewitness reports bear a striking similarity of
atrocities committed by the militias, known in Darfur as the
Janjaweed. 

One of the worst affected parts of south Sudan was Bahr al-Ghazal -
just south of the border with the largely Arab north and not far from
South Darfur

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6468097.stm


**Slavery is alive and well in Ersatz israel, sunschein.

**The brothels are full of sex slaves from Europe and izzie homes are
full of
**Filippina slaves.
Stupid turkey, the same "sex slaves" can be found everywhere in
western world in Russia, Germany, Italy, States and in your Down
Under. 

Sex slavery convictions upheld

THE High Court has upheld the convictions of a Melbourne brothel owner
who became the first person found guilty of possessing and using sex
slaves in Australia.
Brothel owner Wei Tang was found guilty in 2006 of five counts of
possessing a slave and five counts of exercising a power of ownership
over a slave.

She was sentenced to 10 years' jail for her role in enslaving five
Thai women at her brothel, Club 417, and forcing them to work off
debts of up to $45,000.

But in June last year, Tang successfully appealed her convictions in
the Victorian Court of Appeal.

The court quashed her convictions and ordered a new trial, ruling the
directions given to the jury were inadequate.

The Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions appealed that
decision to the High Court.

Tang cross-appealed against the order for a new trial.

The High Court today overturned the Court of Appeal's order for a new
trial and held that the prosecution made out the required elements of
the offences.

Tang was the first person to be found guilty by a jury under the
federal anti-slavery laws introduced in 1999.

The case came to light after Club 417, in the inner Melbourne suburb
of Fitzroy, was raided in 2003.

A Victorian County Court jury in Melbourne found her guilty of the
counts after an eight-week trial and was sentenced to jail for a
minimum of six years.

The five Thai women worked six days a week serving up to 600 customers
to pay their debt.

If they worked a seventh day, they could keep the $50 per customer.

The women were not under lock and key but had little money, limited
English, worked long hours and feared they would be found by
immigration authorities.

Their visas had been obtained illegally and their passports were
withheld by Tang.


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> >How about Muslim genocide in Africa, ME, India?

>> Doesn't match the genocide the yids are perpetrating against the Arabs,
>> statenstein.

>Don't be ridiculous , Muslim marionette. The pre-Islamic Arabs were
>the first ones to taste Mohammed's thirst for blood, lust and power.
>The choice for the nature and idol-worshipping pre Muslim Arabs was
>only Islam or Death. Now scratch your stupid head and answer a simple
>question- where are the nature and idol-worshipping  Arabs today?


**Fuckwit. It's the here and now that is the problem. Not some
historical
**horseshit.

That's right, dumbass, Muslim genocide in Sudan, Mauritania, India
is here and it's the problem TODAY . Why don't you read anything but
Muslim fascist garbage, donkey?   


> >How about
> >molesting little girls sanctioned by the unholy Koran?

> Not mentioned in the Koran, statenstein. But it IS permitted in the yid's
> stinky
>  >talmud.http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh28/BenCramer1/Talmud_kethuboth58...

>Stupido, You have no clue what the Koran says.


**But I do, statenstein.

No , you don't.

>After his first normal
>marriage with Khadija, Mohammed married
>a daughter  of his follower Abu Bakr. Aisha was just seven years old
>when Mohammed married her and she was only nine years old when he had
>sex with her.


**But it's not in the Koran, dickwad. As you claimed.

Stupid drug-filled monkey, isn't the Hadith a collection of the
sayings and deeds of Muhammad a supplement to the Quran? If you are so
stupid to get it on your own , read what Muslims say about it.


"Hadith is integral to the Qur’an, since they are inseparably linked
to each other. It is impossible to understand the Qur’an without
reference to Hadith. The Qur’an is the message, and the Hadith is the
explanation of the message by the Messenger himself. "
Sheikh Ahmad Kutty


**The link I provide shows clearly that the yids, to this day, still
think
**it's kosher to shag three year olds.

I can see you are very embarrassed about Muslim's practice having sex
with infants approved by the Ajatollah Khomini and that's why you
deleted everything in my post so that to hide your embarrassment. For
your convenience I restore what you deleted. Don't be shy, read it
again and comment is it OK "to shag" six year old kids and infants?

After his first normal marriage with Khadija, Mohammed married   
a daughter of his follower Abu Bakr. Aisha was just seven years old
when Mohammed married her and she was only nine years old when he had

sex with her. This is the inspiration for all the Arabs and Muslims of
today to pick up child brides. This flagrant child molestation was
approved by the "holy" man Ahayollah Khomeiny who said it's OK to
have sex with baby girl infants providing there is "no penetration" .
Kissing, fondling and "thighing" is OK. Do you know what "thighing"
mean? It's a  technique used by Muslim pious men when the child's legs
are pressed together and the abuser inserts his penis between the
thighs of the little boy or girl. This is the way how Mohammed had
sex with his wife, Aisha, from the time she was six years old . The
"holy" guy Ayatollah Khomeini in his Little Green Book asserted “It
is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who
is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her

thighs, and to kiss her.” You surely got to be a very good Muslim


while copulating with the thighs of an infant. 

**When do you acquire a brain, statenstein

.....a question from a brainless, thickheaded, moron. That's mighty
funny!

Kayid Al-Kuffar

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ßDoüg±Ç

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"B.H. Cramer" <benj...@yourinvitation.com> wrote in message
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>

Does it though Ahmed? I have a refutation of your claim:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/antisemitism/ftp.py?antisemitism//talmud/young-girls

> When do you acquire a brain, statenstein?

Why don't you fuck off back to Saudi Barbaria and shag some
goats and little girls -- after all it's all legal there.


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Yaako Warrior from AUZ, Germany, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems.

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HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your
mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the
time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities
at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to
a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an
indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, ............
Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!


Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!

in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or

Yaako Warrior from AUZ, Germany, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems.

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xxa...@yahoo.co.uk

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On 4 Sep, 19:00, Mirelle <anamin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kalid I like Arabic men.  Can I get you to fuck my pussy?

KALID: WHAT! REALY? OH MY BLOND SUN... WHEN NOW? OR I AH AH AH AH
AH.................................END!

uberpat...@yahoo.co.uk

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ALREADY? BEFORE EVEN TO DRINK THE URINE?
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Eli Grubman

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You're using a nizkor.org page to refute a claim, Duhg? LOL Oy Vey
McVey is an even bigger shabbos goy than you!

>> When do you acquire a brain, statenstein?
>
>Why don't you fuck off back to Saudi Barbaria and shag some
>goats and little girls -- after all it's all legal there.

Why don't you move to 'Israel', Duhg - all the jew ass you could
possibly want to suck and more!

Eli

Eli Grubman

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JUST SAY NO TO THE DRUGS XXARAB!

ELI

Eli Grubman

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:13:59 -0700 (PDT), uberpat...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:

YOU ARE REPLY TO YOUR OWN POST UBERXXARAB!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

ELI

Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:22:05 -0400, Eli Grubman, our dickless table dancer
here, wrote:

>
> JUST SAY NO TO THE DRUGS XXARAB!
>
> ELI

<BG> Just say no to life, psychopath Grabmen! ;-)

Psychopath Grabmen glued to his computer today again as from 7:27

What the poor sod with NO LIFE AT ALL making a complete ass again for the
next FOURTEEN to TWENTY hours!

--
Various quotes about psycho Grabmen: "His faith is stupidity & his sect is
hatred"

"Eli is clearly from the lowest dregs of humanity."

"Any sex act involving YOU is bestiality."

"Eli's sexual identity crisis blooms again. Maybe Eli is suffering from
split personality disorder?"

Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:22:44 -0400, Eli Grubman, our dickless table dancer
here, wrote:


>
> YOU ARE REPLY TO YOUR OWN POST UBERXXARAB!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
>
> ELI

<BG> F'up to alt.idiots

Grabmen: same retard today like yesterday and over the last SIX YEARS! LOL

--
Rev. Richard Skull about Eli Grabmen: "Any sex act involving YOU is
bestiality."

Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL

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Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Greek-hater, pervert
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, wrote:

Why do you no more dare to get out of the house, psychopath Grabmen? Too
many women folks and Jews out there for you? LMAO!

All praise is due to Allah Lord of the Worlds, the Owner of all of the creation

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Muslims should never come down to anti-Islam posters level. We are not like
them, nor do we ever want to be like them. We are Muslims, we are extremely
proud of it

Anti-Islam posters just can't take it anymore! They know that Islam growing
fast in America and Europe. In Africa too.... So they became desperate

In The Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His
Messenger

They want to blow out the Light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah
perfecting His Light no matter how much the disbeliever hate it.

(Qur'an 61:8)

Anti-Islam posters are busy spewing LIES, HATE, BIGOTRY and PREJUDICE
against Muslims and Islam.

Dealing with the dregs of humanity anti-Islam trolls

Anti-Islam troll those who continuously posting off topic and hate- filled,
divisive rubbish on board. They have something in common, they post
inflammatory, inaccurate, abusive, obscene, profane and racially offensive
material. I would like to outline some basics of how to deal with anti-Islam
trolls?

Generally speaking, ignore the flame-bait!!

Do not feed the animals, do not feed the anti-Islam Trolls. Generally
speaking, all of these filthy messages should be ignored, and left to expire
from the news feed. Anti-Islam trolls who post articles of this nature are
out looking for trouble and trying to create it.

They are morally bankrupt, rude and hostile you don't need to sink to their
low level of immorality and filth.

If you do feel the need to write something to them, respond in private
e-mail to them - despite the facts that they posts via invalid or stolen
emails- Otherwise, please leave matters to the experienced posters. They've
had to deal with these situations many times before and know what route to
take.

If we don't follow these guidelines, we would all descend into anarchy, and
the whole point of the group would be lost.

Having said all that, I believe, Islam had faced 1400 years of attacks from
extreme religious people of other faiths. It not only survived, it actually
became the fastest growing religion of the world!

Warning there anti-Islam forgers and trolls amongst us, proceed with caution

Get The Holy Quran. It is absolutely FREE

http://www.freequran.org/

Useful links

http://cair.com/default.asp

www.islamonline.net

http://www.muslimheritage.com/Default.aspx

http://www.studying-islam.org/index.aspx

Notice that anti-Islam trolls are busy trying to cheat us !!


Panta Rhei is a Grik wog and completely inept stalker! LOL

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:41:21 +0200, Pants Rheitard, greeked Grik wog,
inept part-time stalker & raving Psychopath with no penis! LOL
<grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:

Kalimera, Pants! Enjoying having your stupidity pointed out to you in
various newsgroups on THE Usenet? You bet! Of course you are, you
rheitarded little Grik sod! LOL

<EBGBEGNBBG>

Eli

Panta Rhei is a Grik wog and completely inept stalker! LOL

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:41:23 +0200, Pants Rheitard, greeked Grik wog,

Panta Rhei is a Grik wog and completely inept stalker! LOL

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:43:17 +0200, Pants Rheitard, greeked Grik wog,

All praise is due to Allah Lord of the Worlds, the Owner of all of the creation

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Kayid Al-Kuffar

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Yaako Warrior from AUZ, Germany, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems.

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