ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
Bruce
ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
Where there are those few, similar to Albie
and his sycophants in ARA who *control*
what gets accepted and what doesn't. That
is called *censorship* It seems Google is
going the same way. Those are not the
principles UseNet was founded upon. I hate
to see the OLD UseNet slip away. Maybe it will
force the return of the Glory Days of BBSing
and Packet Mailing.
In any event the screws are tightening on freedom
of speech on Usenet.
Hail to the Chief..
Peace be with you all..
They call me Bruce
Decoder2
Yep~! On trolls. Bye BRU-C
Bruce
I'm talking about people like you
and Albans that try to *control* public
opinion, through manipulation, and
distractions just like your snide remark
above.
Then when it's pointed out to them they
or somebody else for them LIES to
cover up the Truth, and dominate the
subject with Bullshit.
I'm also talking about other attempts
to *control* information that gets processed
on the Internet. Like false accusations
made by Albie and his associates
to Internet Authority, wheather it
be to Google, Wikipedia, of some other.
Wikipedia is being dominated the same way
as ARA is. Now it seems so is Google.
By USERS like yerself.
Peace Be with you all..
They call me Bruce
Bruce
> On Sep 5, 2:15 pm, Bruce <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> part of this Group~! No one person runs this group. Again WE CONTROL
> THIS GROUP, AS A GROUP. Even Mark is apart of this group,
Mark is not a part of YOUR Group, it's obvious from the way ya'll
try to insult him.
> but little
> boy, YOU ARE NOT~!
So anybody else is NOT WELCOME?!?
> Put your time in as the rest of us have. Post some
> of your experience with angels or religion.
Why should I, you would only object to it just like you
do so many others. Trying to TELL people how they should
write their own name even, when it's not even YOUR name
in question.
All you got is ATTACKS on others..
> Don't come after us with
> your childish games.
AND LYING!!
> I don't think any of us are demanding you to
> believe as we do. Hell, none of us agree on everything~! We are all
> different with different beliefs...
It doesn't mean you have to be disagreeable
or antagonistic to anybody that won't JOIN
you!
> Grow up and join us.
Join YOU in ridiculing others?!? No I don't think so, not me fella.
I seek the TRUTH, I'm not interested in joining anybody. This is
UseNet,
not the *moonies*.
Reminds me of some famous words that got turned around to
mean something PERVERSE.
"They are either with us, or against us."
Sun Myung Moon said that once, so did GW Bush.
Separatism at it's worst. Who said I had to choose
sides, for that matter why would I? Why can't I just
be ME, and FREE!
Decoder2
I'm sorry son, but we can't help you until you try to help
yourself....Give your heart to God. It's not nice or Christian-like
to call others names...
John Dorsay
> ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
Isn't that nice. Why the fuck are you crossposting this crap to all
these other newsgroups, you stupid sack of shit?
Just wondering.
John
Bruce
> Bruce wrote:
> > ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
>
> Isn't that nice. Why the fuck are you crossposting this crap to all
> these other newsgroups, you stupid sack of shit?
Are you interested in Freedom of Speech....or maybe NOT!
UseNet is a dying breed, Too many people trying to *control*
it! Even YOU by trying to change the Header.
>
> Just wondering.
>
> John
Bruce
Speak for yourself, and quit making things a mockery.
You have already attempted slanderous name calling
in this thread. You have called countless people out
of spite a "christian idiot" in the past. While not
that I profess *Christianity* I wonder what BIGOT
gave you the right?
But yer driving this madness off topic, cause it
ain't about you, ARA, or Albans. It's about FREE
Speech and how certain forces WILLFULLY deny
it, including Albans and his sycophants. Wikipedia,
and NOW even Google.
Like I say the Screws are tightening.
Art
cross post any more
"Bruce" <cisc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Art
"John Dorsay" <restim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bruce
> Because he's a fucking TROLL~! And we are tired of him also~!
Thanks for being oh so obvious Art (Decoder2). For anybody who
doesn't already realize it. Art is also Decoder2.
>
> "John Dorsay" <restimula...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Bruce
> cross post any more
Desperate Acts, by desperate criminals of persuasion. Why did you
change your Nym and Mailing Address, Art (Decoder2)? Are you
trying to fool people, and hide things?
How can anybody be happy, when there are people
like you denying people the God given right to express
their beliefs and feelings? Attempting to undermine
the faith and belief of others, by ridicule, and constant
attacks, as well as deceptions.
The ONLY reason you don't want the TRUTH crossposted
PUBLICLY is to HIDE it! Just like all the other censorship
being attempted by others. Including that other fella that
tried to switch newsgroups to those PRO scientology
for the sake of argument, Yet ANOTHER group of people
trying to HIDE things, and *control* what get's said and
what doesn't. Again, why try to fool people, unless yer
trying to hide something?
Again yer trying to drift off topic, again I say that ARA
is jest one example among many.
The screws are tightening..
Peace be with you all..
They call me Bruce
>
> "Bruce" <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Bruce
> Look Stupid, my office is set up different than my home. Get it fool, when
> you see Art; I'm home. Decoder is Google at work...
"Google at work", go figure.. ..you claimed GREAT knowledge in
computers
and how to manipulate them, well Scientology, and the *moonies*
have Hackers with agenda's jest like yers. "Preserve the LIE at all
costs!"
Well I don't believe the lie. I don't believe for one second that
certain people
are as "stupid" that you claim they are. Maybe you aughta look in a
mirror!
>
> You are an idiot and I think you are about to break. We've broke you~! LMAO
> another one bites the dust~!
>
> "Bruce" <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:68126bdc-5e8c-4433...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bunch of stupid crap from a loser
Good excuse, but it don't wash. You were purposely posting from
another mailing, and yer STILL dodging for cover, and trying to hide
things.
Like how Albans and his sycophants (including you) are trying to
*control* things on ARA. Jest like they tried in Moon's Newsgroup for
a
time and like they tried in the Scientology newsgroup too! And like
people
like you continue to try in soc.culture.jewish
I would really like to know why YOU, Wikipedia, or Google feel you
have
the right to step on other peoples beliefs, and faiths no matter who
it is.
Simply because YOU disagree with their post?!?
Peace be with you..
They call me Bruce
David St. Albans
What the fuck is it with dirt bags like this, why do they continually
think by misspelling or making fun of someone's name this gives them
some form of Internet Gravitas? my name is David St. Albans. Do I call
this little girl Bwooth? Like Allan does? Do I call him Brucey? or
other baby names? Does this make him big in his own tiny eyes to call
people names by making fun of their names? Azure does it. too. One
thing I respect Mark for is at least he just calls me Dave.
And by the way, when you have an uncontrolled site for INFORMATION
that is relevent to HUMAN KNOWLEDGE, you get a twisted bunch of
freaks, like Dick Cheney, rewriting history or taking photographs off
the site, etc. The world here, Bruce, is about FREEDOM, not about
ABUSE. If you want a space to spread the lies of yourself and Mark,
here it is. Wikipedia could not allow you to post Mark's trash there,
on account of it is a made-up fairy tale. And the author of the fairy
tale is a retard.
Sheez! Get a life you drip!
Saint
David St. Albans
>
> - Show quoted text -
Totally Paranoid delusional, aren't ya, Bruce?
Saint
David St. Albans
>
> - Show quoted text -
Stop whinig about lies. You have not told the truth here once. I am
even under the impression your name is NOT Bruce. And people only call
you that because you force them to do so by not revealing your little
girl name...Linda?
Saint
David St. Albans
>
> - Show quoted text -
He's interested in letting you know that you are a STUPID SACK OF
SHIT. Get used to it. You will get more of the same, because your
ideas are vitally unimportant and retarded.
Saint
David St. Albans
Here he goes again with his obsession with Scientologists and Moonies
taking over the world. Well I guess when a young, innocent girl-child
is molested and mind-raped by the Moonies, this is what
happens...Sad...
Stupid sack of shit.
Saint
Bruce
It will do you no good to point fingers at *moonies* or Scientologist
LIARS
as a distraction from the Mind Raping that you and yer sycophants
attempt over in ARA. to other people. I know yer just a cheap
imitation
of the work of the *moonies* or Scientolgist, yet yer jest as guilty
as they
are of covering up the truth, and attempting to destroy peoples minds
too!
>
> Stupid sack of shit.
>
> Saint
What is sad is that Hate filled Bigots like you actually DO exist.
Peace be With you all..
They call me Bruce
Bruce
The above post is but one example of how people like Albans
likes to Mind Rape people in order to seize *control* and manipulate
peoples thoughts. I know many of you reading this now, have seen
it all before.
Don't be fooled by his rants.
lawt...@hotmail.co.uk
> ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
You know, I'm sure that's fascinating to users of ARA.
What does it have to do with scientology?
> Where there are those few, similar to Albie
> and his sycophants in ARA who *control*
> what gets accepted and what doesn't.
According to google, it's an unmoderated group.
There is no control, idiot.
> That
> is called *censorship* It seems Google is
> going the same way.
Ah, all hail google, the great deliverer of usenet
news, not. Google is shit, don't use it if you
don't like it. Don't confuse censorship with
incompetence.
> Those are not the
> principles UseNet was founded upon. I hate
> to see the OLD UseNet slip away. Maybe it will
> force the return of the Glory Days of BBSing
> and Packet Mailing.
Look, grandpa. You don't like change, then fuck
off and die somewhere, quietly.
> In any event the screws are tightening on freedom
> of speech on Usenet.
The screws are certainly tightening on any
remaining common sense you might have.
> Hail to the Chief..
>
>
> Peace be with you all..
>
> They call me Bruce
And Bruce is the name of a troll on ARS.
You've probably been killfilled on principle.
Lawtears
Allan
>likes to Mind Rape people in order to seize *control* and manipulate
>peoples thoughts. I know many of you reading this now, have seen
>it all before.
I think what Bwooth is trying to say here is that he wandered into a
peaceful backwater of usenet, caused mayhem by jumping to totally erroneous
conclusions, and is now busily recruiting others (unsuccessfully, it would
seem) to support him.
>Don't be fooled by his rants.
That seems relevant to Bwoothy
Sorry to interrupt the group's usual business, but Bwooth won't respond to
anything I post on ARA. Then again it's all I expected from the type of
person who invites folks to a flame war then scurries off for
reinforcements. Normal service will be resumed after this message.
>Peace be with you all..
Does this mean you've finally figured out how to tie a noose, and will be
making use of your new found knowledge shortly? Make it very short, ya don't
want to break ya neck.
>They call me Bruce
'They,' are on their annual holiday, you'll have to deal with real people
for a while.
Bruce
Hey hey, it's Albans OTHER sycophant, now all but one is present and
accounted for. NO Albans doesn't have to get his hands dirty of the
process
and no body will cover their their Master's ass with lies and
distortions
better than Sycophants, Art and Allan. Go figure..
I want to thank ALL of you for showing up as the HARD evidence of
how *control* freaks are constantly *projectiling* at people out of
Bigotry and Resentment. All the while how Wikipedia, and Google
actually listen to them with their constant whining and dining with
distortions, and deception.
They got people jest like YOU Albans and Art hiding out on Wikipedia
insulting them, and disrupting the flow of the TRUTH on the InterNet.
They got people jest like you over in soc.culture.jewish this
very moment spreading lies, and being insulting.
Yeppers, Usenet continues to go to the Dogs with Corporations
taking ultimate *control*. Corporations full of PuppetMasters just
like you and yer friend's Art, and Albans.
Is anybody out there getting the feeling, you have seen tag teams
like this group before?
Peace be with you all..
They call me Bruce
Bruce
Hey hey, it's Albans OTHER sycophant, now all but one is present and
accounted for. NO Albans doesn't have to get his hands dirty of the
process
and no body will cover their their Master's ass with lies and
distortions
better than Sycophants, Art and Allan. Go figure..
I want to thank ALL of you for showing up as the HARD evidence of
how *control* freaks are constantly *projectiling* at people out of
Bigotry and Resentment. All the while how Wikipedia, and Google
actually listen to them with their constant whining and dining with
distortions, and deception.
They got people jest like YOU Albans and Art hiding out on Wikipedia
insulting them, and disrupting the flow of the TRUTH on the InterNet.
They got people jest like you over in soc.culture.jewish this
very moment spreading lies, and being insulting.
Yeppers, Usenet continues to go to the Dogs with Corporations
taking ultimate *control*. Corporations full of PuppetMasters just
like you and yer friend's Art, and Albans.
Is anybody out there getting the feeling, you have seen tag teams
like this group before?
Peace be with you all..
They call me Bruce
Bruce
Since yer NOT a sycophant of David Albans
over in ARA, you may as well be a scientolegist
instead, by the way you talk. I remember not
to long ago when Scientologists used to ask
what had alt.religion.unification got to do with
scientology. Well the simple truth is, a lot!
Jest like the small example ARA does
with the lot.
Bruce
Bottom line is, I just think it's a shame, that Usenet
(once called FREENet) continues to slide towards
the dogs of WAR!
Maybe there will be a comeback. But as long as people
look from the wrong end of the lens, it won't. It will
continue to degrade itself.
What is the RIGHT perspective? Well I would at least
suggest that morals DO count. That attacking other
people is brutal and senseless.
Stealth Tuba
> Bottom line is, I just think it's a shame, that Usenet
> (once called FREENet) continues to slide towards
> the dogs of WAR!
It wasn't. Freenet was something else.
Lurk moar.
Art
"Bruce" <cisc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Art
turning on you.
STOP CROSS POSTING
<lawt...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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lawt...@hotmail.co.uk
> On Sep 6, 7:24 am, lawtea...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
>
>
> > Bruce wrote:
> > > ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
>
> > You know, I'm sure that's fascinating to users of ARA.
> > What does it have to do with scientology?
> > > They call me Bruce
>
> > And Bruce is the name of a troll on ARS.
> > You've probably been killfilled on principle.
>
> > Lawtears
>
> Hey hey, it's Albans OTHER sycophant,
No, it is not, you fucking idiot. I don't know Albans
from Adam, as the saying goes.
Keep shouting for your own agenda, if you must.
At least try not to either insult or crosspost.
Lawtears
<snip>
Allan
<lawt...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Oh dear, Bwooth is ranting at himself again, or that's how it seems. You
ready to agree a truce again Bwoothsy? Very simple terms, ya get one last
post, two words, Bye Bye, then ya just ride into the sunset.
David St. Albans
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yep, totally insane and delusional Bruce is!
A bit hard to "mind-rape" on an NG where no one agrees with anyone
else for mor than two minutes! haha! Poor creatures such as Brice and
mark are off in a little world they made up and are too hard to break
through to. The more one tries the more they cry out "Leave me alone!"
Fine. Brice needs to be left alone. Clearly he's full of anxities and
neurotic fears of cultists and brainwashing...he best stay off the
Net, it's full of us brainwashers!
Saint
Bruce
Who do you think any enlightened person is gonna believe, me or you
and yer lying sycophants? Many in these groups have seen and had
to deal with yer kind before.
Peace be with you all..
They call me Bruce
Bruce
Actually, before there was Usenet, there was Freenet, Fidonet
and a host of other Backbones before the Internet evolved.
Cheers..
;-)
Bruce
Bruce
I see we have ANOTHER Scientologist here trying to change
headers. Somebody said Scientology was dead, well apparently
not ALL of it.
Art
"Bruce" <cisc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Something stupid
Bruce
and Art! Trying to change the subject already as a TACTIC of
WAR! See what I mean by Dogs of WAR?
I hope they dry up soon so everyone else can get back to
their regular posting. This post wasn't about them to
begin with, yet I note how they desperately seek to defend
against it, as if they were guilty.
Art
You Sir, are a cross posting troll.
"Bruce" <cisc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bruce
> It's our group not just one persons
It's Albans and his sycophants group (including yours).
You claim "it's our group" well I can't disagree with
you there. Most everybody else is not welcome as is
evident from ya'll's posts. The four of you have
run off more people than I can count. I jest happen
to be browsing by and took notice.
But again, why bother to defend against this thread
like you do? Why even worry yerself about it, unless
yer guilty as charged!
> You Sir, are a cross posting troll.
Crossposting does not constitute being a troll.
So unless you got some other evidence to prove
such, quit lying about it.
Actions speak louder than words. Why do you
continue to crosspost in defense of ARA and Albans?
You must think people stupid to be carrying on such.
This thread could have been ended LONG ago, if you
Allan, and Albans did not feel guilty about it all.
Peace be with you..
They call me Bruce
>
> "Bruce" <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Azure
>
> On Sep 5, 5:24 pm, Decoder2 <decod...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 5, 2:15 pm, Bruce <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
> >
> > > and his sycophants in ARA who *control*
> > > is called *censorship* It seems Google is
> > > principles UseNet was founded upon. I hate
> > > to see the OLD UseNet slip away. Maybe it will
> > > force the return of the Glory Days of BBSing
> > > and Packet Mailing.
> >
> > > of speech on Usenet.
> >
> >
> > > Peace be with you all..
> >
> > > They call me Bruce
> >
>
> I'm talking about people like you
> and Albans that try to *control* public
> opinion, through manipulation, and
> distractions just like your snide remark
> above.
>
> Then when it's pointed out to them they
> or somebody else for them LIES to
> cover up the Truth, and dominate the
> subject with Bullshit.
>
> I'm also talking about other attempts
> to *control* information that gets processed
> on the Internet. Like false accusations
> made by Albie and his associates
> to Internet Authority, wheather it
> be to Google, Wikipedia, of some other.
Worse they assume your identity and commit Crimes "In your Name"!
Got Server Records to that one!
Selling Watches in my name for starters!
>
> Wikipedia is being dominated the same way
> as ARA is. Now it seems so is Google.
> By USERS like yerself.
Moral Majority games, and Albie claims he isn't Christian.
No real difference between Jesus and Albie, neither are God, Both are
Man, the worship of which is Unforgivable SIN!
>
> Peace Be with you all..
>
> They call me Bruce
Azure
Can't be in a "Flame War" with out insults, and they started the Cross
Posting First!
Flame War: to be tried by Fire.
The Word is formed of the 2 Fires.
Anointment is by walking between the 2 Fires, what comes out the other
side is Tried by Fire and Pure!
Azure
>
> It's our group not just one persons
Tell Albie that, Troll!
Azure
They Think like the Publicans, that they own the place!!!!!!!!!
David St. Albans
I think people will listen to reason and rational explanations, if
they are smart. Otherwise they will listen to Bruce.
Saint
David St. Albans
No one worships me. And since I am not a Christian and apparently
neither is Azure, what's all this about worship of a man being a
sin??? If playing like one is a girl and getting screwed in the butt
is not a "sin" in azure's world...(or mine for that matter...it's
simply a matter of style and sexual preference) why would it be a sin
anywhere unless one ADHERES TO THE CHRISTIAN FAITH??? I mean is it the
Bible Azure rants against? Albans? The Republicans? Or just anyone her/
his little psychotic mind focuses on in a day? Because you cannot have
it both ways. If someone worships me, I'd love to know who it is. But
I see people worship Meher Baba and L. Ron Hubbard and the Virgin Mary
(she was a human being, not a goddess...so worshiping her would also
be "a sin" all you Catholics!) And yet no one is coming down on them.
God hasn't come back to pillage their worlds, which are a lot more
powerful and influential than MINE! Hahaha!
Azure says the Bible speaks of him and that he is a Witness to
Christ. Well that's Christ JESUS in the Bible. And it is Jesus who
John swears will return and bring a new order of things. So not only
does she WORSHIP A MAN, she works for Him in a totally High Authority
Position. She's in His "cabinet" so to speak. Azure claims she is a
witness for the Second Coming and as such is in fear for his life,
claims people are hunting him now. He claims I am doing things to his
computer. Claims aliens lurk everywhere, watching us...these are
DELUSIONS. Not one of them is real. No one cares about Azure or his
weird ideas or unprincipled threats, attacks and vague murmurings.
He's a simple fruitcake. He hasn't got special spiritual powers or
authority or secrets. He's got a computer, a keyboard and lots of
time. Period. But what he says about me, Christianity and religion in
general and his so called "lineage" is a gas bag full of hot, farty,
air. Once in a blue moon he comes on and sort of kind of supports
something Brice or Mark says, then rambles off about RedBulls and
Crimson Tides and ANWR then retreats back to his hole.
What he really is upset with is NO ONE IS WORSHIPING HIM!
Saint
Bruce
Yer sycophants do! That's why they hang out with you on ARA,
and why they come to yer rescue whenever they can.
> And since I am not a Christian and apparently
> neither is Azure,
You don't have to be Christian to believe Scriptures,
but apparently you don't even do that!
> what's all this about worship of a man being a
> sin???
Because it is according to scriptures, but since you
don't believe scriptures you think you can get away with it.
> If playing like one is a girl and getting screwed in the butt
> is not a "sin" in azure's world...(or mine for that matter...it's
> simply a matter of style and sexual preference) why would it be a sin
> anywhere unless one ADHERES TO THE CHRISTIAN FAITH???
Like I said you don't have to be a Christian to believe Scriptures,
but I can see where a BIGOT like yerself might get confused by
that fact.
> I mean is it the
> Bible Azure rants against? Albans? The Republicans? Or just anyone her/
> his little psychotic mind focuses on in a day? Because you cannot have
> it both ways. If someone worships me, I'd love to know who it is. But
> I see people worship Meher Baba and L. Ron Hubbard and the Virgin Mary
> (she was a human being, not a goddess...so worshiping her would also
> be "a sin" all you Catholics!)
I don't think you will find any Catholics here in these Newsgroups
so don't bother trying to win them over with your lies.
> And yet no one is coming down on them.
They were not a part of this thread and subject, if you want go start
one,
just not here.
> God hasn't come back to pillage their worlds, which are a lot more
> powerful and influential than MINE! Hahaha!
Careful, yer Megalomania is showing.
>
> Azure says the Bible speaks of him and that he is a Witness to
> Christ. Well that's Christ JESUS in the Bible. And it is Jesus who
> John swears will return and bring a new order of things. So not only
> does she WORSHIP A MAN, she works for Him in a totally High Authority
> Position. She's in His "cabinet" so to speak. Azure claims she is a
> witness for the Second Coming and as such is in fear for his life,
> claims people are hunting him now. He claims I am doing things to his
> computer. Claims aliens lurk everywhere, watching us...these are
> DELUSIONS. Not one of them is real. No one cares about Azure or his
> weird ideas or unprincipled threats, attacks and vague murmurings.
> He's a simple fruitcake. He hasn't got special spiritual powers or
> authority or secrets. He's got a computer, a keyboard and lots of
> time. Period. But what he says about me, Christianity and religion in
> general and his so called "lineage" is a gas bag full of hot, farty,
> air. Once in a blue moon he comes on and sort of kind of supports
> something Brice or Mark says, then rambles off about RedBulls and
> Crimson Tides and ANWR then retreats back to his hole.
Blah, blah, blah.. If you can't kill the message, kill the messenger
that's the general idea in your message. Yer looking awfully guilty
for somebody who claims to be innocent.
>
> What he really is upset with is NO ONE IS WORSHIPING HIM!
Well at least you got no worries in that department with all the
praise and adoration you get from yer sycophants in ARA, Mr "Saint".
>
> Saint
Chiron
> ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
>
> Where there are those few, similar to Albie
> and his sycophants in ARA who *control*
> what gets accepted and what doesn't. That
> is called *censorship* It seems Google is
> going the same way. Those are not the
> principles UseNet was founded upon. I hate
> to see the OLD UseNet slip away. Maybe it will
> force the return of the Glory Days of BBSing
> and Packet Mailing.
>
> In any event the screws are tightening on freedom
> of speech on Usenet.
>
> Hail to the Chief..
>
> Peace be with you all..
>
> They call me Bruce
??? Control what gets accepted???
Sorry, but you're simply wrong. There is, nor can there be,
censorship by St. Albans and his minions. What you're saying is
simply incorrect.
I've had many run-ins with St. Albans, which you'll be able to see if
you look in the archives. He's accused me (and many others) of
exactly the same thing, censorship. It's all bollocks, though.
You can't censor a public newsgroup. All you can do is try to bully
someone into silence. In Real Life (TM) you can do that by physically
threatening a person, frightening him with the threat of actual
injury. On a newsgroup it's not so easy. Saint can bully me all he
wants, threaten and rail at me, but unless he can get his hands on me
to do me injury, his bluster is ineffective.
There are folks who are more timid, who will simply go away (or at
least, stop posting) if verbally attacked. However, that's not
censorship, it's someone deciding that they've got better things to do
besides arguing with unreasonable people.
I don't see Google offering any censorship, but if they do, it's their
servers. They took over Deja News. Had they not, we'd be limited to
whatever our various services cared to preserve, which in no case was
the entire Usenet archive. They have the right to do whatever they
want with this archive, including charge money to use it. I'd hate to
see that happen, but really, their equipment, their rules.
Bruce
> On Sep 5, 4:15 pm, Bruce <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
>
> > Where there are those few, similar to Albie
> > and his sycophants in ARA who *control*
> > what gets accepted and what doesn't. That
> > is called *censorship* It seems Google is
> > going the same way. Those are not the
> > principles UseNet was founded upon. I hate
> > to see the OLD UseNet slip away. Maybe it will
> > force the return of the Glory Days of BBSing
> > and Packet Mailing.
>
> > In any event the screws are tightening on freedom
> > of speech on Usenet.
>
> > Hail to the Chief..
>
> > Peace be with you all..
>
> > They call me Bruce
>
> ??? Control what gets accepted???
>
> Sorry, but you're simply wrong. There is, nor can there be,
> censorship by St. Albans and his minions. What you're saying is
> simply incorrect.
Yer saying one thing while giving evidence of another.
He bullied you, jest like he and his puppetmaster theater
attempts to bully everyone else. You simply decided to give
up, but that doesn't change the facts. The same thing happens
over in Wikipedia, and is attempted elsewhere on Usenet as well.
It has become a science (as in scientology) for some people.
Most Dictatorships are run by school yard bullies. They achieve
it with LIES, FEAR mongering, and making PERSONAL
attacks on people. You claim they don't, and then give
supporting evidence that they do!
>
> I've had many run-ins with St. Albans, which you'll be able to see if
> you look in the archives. He's accused me (and many others) of
> exactly the same thing, censorship. It's all bollocks, though.
>
> You can't censor a public newsgroup. All you can do is try to bully
> someone into silence. In Real Life (TM) you can do that by physically
> threatening a person, frightening him with the threat of actual
> injury. On a newsgroup it's not so easy. Saint can bully me all he
> wants, threaten and rail at me, but unless he can get his hands on me
> to do me injury, his bluster is ineffective.
>
> There are folks who are more timid, who will simply go away (or at
> least, stop posting) if verbally attacked. However, that's not
> censorship, it's someone deciding that they've got better things to do
> besides arguing with unreasonable people.
>
> I don't see Google offering any censorship, but if they do, it's their
> servers. They took over Deja News. Had they not, we'd be limited to
> whatever our various services cared to preserve, which in no case was
> the entire Usenet archive. They have the right to do whatever they
> want with this archive, including charge money to use it. I'd hate to
> see that happen, but really, their equipment, their rules.
Peace be with you..
They call me Bruce
Chiron
You're still wrong. Yes, I agree Saint is a schoolyard bully. If he
can find a way to injure someone who disagrees with him, he will use
it against that person to silence him. It's still not censorship.
It's only bullying.
The fact that most dictatorships are run by schoolyard bullies doesn't
mean that this schoolyard bully has formed anything approaching a
dictatorship. Most dictators drank milk as kids, but that doesn't
mean everyone who drinks milk becomes a dictator.
Saint has no serious control here. He can only shout and carry on.
He can't do any harm, unless someone offers him private information
that can be used against him. This is true throughout the Internet,
so Saint's ability is not unique or even unusual.
If you check the archives, you'll see Saint trying to bully me.
You'll also see how effective it was. Did I go away? Well, yes, but
not in response to the bullying. I went away because it's boring to
see the same damned arguments every time I return. Often the
attempted bullying kept me here longer than I wanted, because I
*really* don't like it when someone tries to bully me or anyone else.
So I stand and fight. Trying to bully me is not a good way to get me
to go away.
In an unmoderated newsgroup, there will always be assholes of various
sorts trying to force their opinions onto everyone around. I even see
it on alt.math, if you can believe it. Endless flames about whether
one particular guy ever created a new sort of algebra, or proof of
one, or whatever (it's been a while since I bothered). The guy goes
all postal, and others start to attack and ridicule him, goading him
into even more frenzied activity. Sound familiar? And no, it's not
Saint on that site.
If it pleases you to think that Saint has the power to censor ARA, be
my guest. But recognize that you're able to say anything you want
without restrictions of any sort, just as he is. That's not a very
good example of censorship. If Saint really had that power, your
initial post never would have seen the light of day - or it would have
been removed very quickly. So how do you account for that freedom you
have to post something Saint doesn't like?
Yes, Saint probably does run some people off this newsgroup with his
attacks. Those are likely the people who have better things to do
besides arguing with fools. The rest of us, of course...
Bruce
You don't get out much do you? Go visit ARS, or SCJ and you will
see what I mean about school yard bullies trying to "control" people.
They ain't no different than Albans except that Albans has/had run
of ARA for 10+ years now. Or so THEY claim.
Wikipedia not quite as long, but the SAME exact Tactics get used
there as well, by *control* freaks jest like Master Albans and his
sycophants in ARA. Evidence of the Dogs of WAR!!
Who gives the right to Albans to run ANYbody off, and if that doesn't
constitute censorship what does?
Keep talking if ya like, yer actually making SOME sense in a
weird kind of way.
B.H. Cramer
Too right. The yids and their shabbas goys become very, very brave when
they're sitting at a keyboard.
Bruce
> "Bruce" <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
You and yer (hate filled) Bigotry are evidence of jest the opposite
After all the subject is Jewish Culture in SCJ, NOT antisemitism.
Yer being deceptive to suggest it's their fault for the
lying, insulting, and deceiving Dogs of WAR in the newsgroup.
Yer also being deceptive to suggest that Jews are anything like
Albans and his sycophants over in ARA. It's probably
more likely that YOU are, Thanks for providing evidence all
the same.
lawt...@hotmail.co.uk
Bruce wrote:
> On Sep 6, 7:24�am, lawtea...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> > > ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
> >
> > You know, I'm sure that's fascinating to users of ARA.
> > What does it have to do with scientology?
> >
> > > Where there are those few, similar to Albie
> > > and his sycophants in ARA who *control*
> > > what gets accepted and what doesn't.
> >
> > According to google, it's an unmoderated group.
> > There is no control, idiot.
> >
> > > That
> > > is called *censorship* It seems Google is
> > > going the same way.
> >
> > Ah, all hail google, the great deliverer of usenet
> > news, not. Google is shit, don't use it if you
> > don't like it. Don't confuse censorship with
> > incompetence.
> >
> > > Those are not the
> > > principles UseNet �was founded upon. I hate
> > > to see the OLD UseNet slip away. Maybe it will
> > > force the return of the Glory Days of BBSing
> > > and Packet Mailing.
> >
> > Look, grandpa. You don't like change, then fuck
> > off and die somewhere, quietly.
> >
> > > In any event the screws are tightening on freedom
> > > of speech on Usenet.
> >
> > The screws are certainly tightening on any
> > remaining common sense you might have.
> >
> > > Hail to the Chief..
> >
> > > Peace be with you all..
> >
> > > They call me Bruce
> >
> > And Bruce is the name of a troll on ARS.
> > You've probably been killfilled on principle.
> >
> > Lawtears
>
> Since yer NOT a sycophant of David Albans
> over in ARA, you may as well be a scientolegist
> instead, by the way you talk.
Scientologists talk like me? Are you a complete
waste of space? You do realize you are full of shit?
Hurry up and fuck off.
Lawtears
> I remember not
> to long ago when Scientologists used to ask
> what had alt.religion.unification got to do with
> scientology. Well the simple truth is, a lot!
>
> Jest like the small example ARA does
> with the lot.
B.H. Cramer
Oy. There is no hatred or bigotry in moi. A bit of robust attitude, I'll
grant you, but certainly none of t'other.
>After all the subject is Jewish Culture in SCJ, NOT antisemitism.
Goes hand in fist, doesn't it? As sure as night follows day.
Find a semite, you don't have to look too terribly hard to locate the
accompanying anti-semitism.
>Yer being deceptive to suggest it's their fault for the
>lying, insulting, and deceiving Dogs of WAR in the newsgroup.
Haven't a clue what you're rattling on about.
>Yer also being deceptive to suggest that Jews are anything like
>Albans and his sycophants over in ARA.
Haven't done anything like it. Yids suck. End of story.
Bruce
"Yids suck. End of story" Indeed end of story yer Bigotry and
resentment speaks for itself.
Bruce
OHHH? Then why try to change the Header to
alt.religion.scientology.xenu, unless yer a scientologist.
You got some explaining to do, maybe!
Cheers..
;-)
Bruce
John Dorsay
> OHHH? Then why try to change the Header to
> alt.religion.scientology.xenu, unless yer a scientologist.
Who the fuck changed any headers, moron?
You post your off-topic crap to any newsgroups you choose, but when
other people choose different newsgroups to post resposes to they
are "changing headers" and doing something sinister???
Newsflash: They are choosing newsgroups to post to. Just like you
did, you clueless dumbfuck. Why is okay when you do it but not when
others do?
You are not *just* a stupid sack of steaming shit. You are also a
whining fucking hypocrite. Do us all a favor and die in a fire,
asshole. Please.
John
Bruce
> Bruce wrote:
> > OHHH? Then why try to change the Header to
> > alt.religion.scientology.xenu, unless yer a scientologist.
>
> Who the fuck changed any headers, moron?
See there ya go again trying to change the headers
to alt.religion.scientology.xenu. Do I need more evidence or what?
>
> You post your off-topic crap to any newsgroups you choose,
Actually I was very specific about who I chose. As they all seem to be
related for one reason or another.
It was a recent post in alt.religion.spiritualism that helped me think
of it,
among others.
> but when
> other people choose different newsgroups to post resposes to they
> are "changing headers" and doing something sinister???
Yep, glad you agree to it.
>
> Newsflash: They are choosing newsgroups to post to. Just like you
> did, you clueless dumbfuck. Why is okay when you do it but not when
> others do?
Au Contrair they are changing headers in order to be deceptive, jest
like you
are! I on the otherhand attempt to remain on topic.
>
> You are not *just* a stupid sack of steaming shit. You are also a
> whining fucking hypocrite. Do us all a favor and die in a fire,
> asshole. Please.
Yeah, I think David Albans said something similar.
But I don't agree with it, and I don't think the silent
majority does either.
>
> John
John Dorsay
> On Sep 8, 9:15 am, John Dorsay <restimula...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>> > OHHH? Then why try to change the Header to
>> > alt.religion.scientology.xenu, unless yer a scientologist.
>>
>> Who the fuck changed any headers, moron?
>
> See there ya go again trying to change the headers
> to alt.religion.scientology.xenu. Do I need more evidence or what?
What the fuck are you whining about?
I didn't "change" a goddam thing. I *set* the headers in my post,
you hypocritical retard. Just like *you* set the headers in yours.
FOAD. Please.
John
Bruce
Would somebody over in ARS please set the record straight?
Is alt.religion.scientolgy the same as alt.religion.scientolgy.xenu,
or what?
Peace be with you all..
They call me Bruce
>
> John
Chiron
Not even close to Wikipedia, my friend. No one has control to silence
anyone here, nor to remove any posts. What do I care about ARS or
SCJ? Those aren't newsgroups I visit. Some may try to control them,
as well - but they can't. Anyone can post there - even I could, were
I so inclined.
The powers that be on Wikipedia have the ability to remove any post or
entry they don't like - and they do it. They have the power to block
edits from anyone, as well - and they do that, as well. In fact, they
have the power to ban access to various IP numbers to prevent
anonymous edits from people they don't like. In one notorious case
they blocked one author who had been using anonymous posting (he'd
already been banned on the basis of his user name). A whole town was
also blocked, collateral damage from Wikipedia's censorship. Now
*that's* censorship.
What Saint does is simply trying to steamroll anyone who gets in his
way. You're still here, aren't you? Not one of your posts has
disappeared or been altered, has it? So where is the censorship?
If you had any clue of what you were talking about, you'd see that
Saint has not had any control over this newsgroup. His "sycophants"
are mostly a figment of your imagination. Throughout the ten or so
years of Saint's existence here, he has been mostly an outcast, a
pariah, not a petty despot. He has had a large number of people
attacking and ridiculing him, often doing so just to get a reaction
from him. Occasionally he may have someone who appears to be his
buddy, but usually they start asking questions, challenging what Saint
says, and that quickly devolves into a bitter break.
The evidence refutes your claim, I'm afraid. You claim censorship,
yet none exists. No one here has the power to silence another or
remove a post by another.
(n) censoring, censorship (deleting parts of publications or
correspondence or theatrical performances) - http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=censorship
No one is censoring anything, unless you mean some definition of
censorship not contained in a dictionary. If you're making up new
definitions for words, then maybe so. However, if you're following
the definitions, then not.
As I keep saying, no one has the power to remove, alter, or block
posts here. It's an unmoderated group that permits anyone to post
anything.
Saint has the "right" to do what he does because we have free speech.
His comments can be vicious, mean-spirited, and wholly unconscionable,
but they break no laws. He has the right to present his ideas as he
chooses.
Saint can't run anyone off, who doesn't choose to leave. He can't
physically grab someone and escort them off the premises. He can't
get hold of them to remove them. He can't even delete the posts he
doesn't like. All he can do is yell and scream, and try to scare
people away. Most people find that they have lives. They choose to
move on, not because they're afraid of Saint, but because they realize
they're arguing with a fool who isn't going to change his opinion or
even listen to someone else's opinion.
What you're arguing here is exactly the same thing Saint often claims
when I get into it with him - my disagreeing with him is "censorship"
because I won't accept what he says. Exercising my right to express
an opinion is somehow denying him his right to free speech. It's
bullshit when he says it, and it's bullshit when you say it. Saint
isn't forcing anyone to do anything, because he can't. He doesn't
have the power. All he's doing is making things unpleasant, and
people choose to leave on their own accord.
> Keep talking if ya like, yer actually making SOME sense in a
> weird kind of way.
>
How come you're talking like Popeye? Not that I've got anything about
Popeye, of course.
Bruce
So when the Third Reich *controlled* all the Newspapers in
Germany by FORCE, that wasn't censorship? Well I happen
to think it was. The English dictionary I have found to be wrong
before.
Nuff said..
Peace be with you all..
They call me Bruce
>
> people ...
>
> read more »
Chiron
> > correspondence or theatrical performances) -http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=censorship
>
> So when the Third Reich *controlled* all the Newspapers in
> Germany by FORCE, that wasn't censorship? Well I happen
> to think it was. The English dictionary I have found to be wrong
> before.
>
them (and their authors). That's what censorship is all about,
controlling what can be said.
Saint has no control over the contents here. He cannot *force*
anything. He can holler, but so can anyone else - and no one can stop
anyone from doing it.
As I keep saying, the evidence refutes your claim. If Saint could
censor, he'd censor you. Your posts would vanish. You would be
blocked from adding new posts. None of this has happened. Not to
you, not to anyone else on this newsgroup, not ever. It *can't*
happen, because no one here has that degree of control over the
contents. Because of this, censorship is impossible here, at least by
ordinary users (Google could do it, and so could our government, I'm
sure; but we can't).
The only sort of "censorship" Saint can commit here is throwing a
hissy fit if he doesn't like what someone says. Hardly enough to shut
anyone up, if they don't want to shut up. You're still here; Art's
here, Shiva, bunches of others. I'm even here, for a moment or two.
Saint's "censorship" doesn't work at all, does it?
Bruce
> > > (n) censoring, censorship (deleting parts of publications or
> > > correspondence or theatrical performances) -http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=censorship
>
> > So when the Third Reich *controlled* all the Newspapers in
> > Germany by FORCE, that wasn't censorship? Well I happen
> > to think it was. The English dictionary I have found to be wrong
> > before.
>
> Yes, because they could "delete" the offending articles by burning
> them (and their authors). That's what censorship is all about,
> controlling what can be said.
Isn't that what I jest said? So where's the BEEF?!?
>
> Saint has no control over the contents here. He cannot *force*
> anything. He can holler, but so can anyone else - and no one can stop
> anyone from doing it.
>
> As I keep saying, the evidence refutes your claim. If Saint could
> censor, he'd censor you. Your posts would vanish. You would be
> blocked from adding new posts. None of this has happened. Not to
> you, not to anyone else on this newsgroup, not ever. It *can't*
> happen, because no one here has that degree of control over the
> contents. Because of this, censorship is impossible here, at least by
> ordinary users (Google could do it, and so could our government, I'm
> sure; but we can't).
>
> The only sort of "censorship" Saint can commit here is throwing a
> hissy fit if he doesn't like what someone says. Hardly enough to shut
> anyone up, if they don't want to shut up. You're still here; Art's
> here, Shiva, bunches of others. I'm even here, for a moment or two.
> Saint's "censorship" doesn't work at all, does it?
OH, I see the BEEF is with "Saint". Are you sure yer fer real
and not some paranoid schizophrenic delusion of Albans?!?
After all that is the kind of Tactic he might take. I DO NOTE
you call him "saint".
B.H. Cramer
Not at all, bruciebabes.
Those nasty, dastardly, beastly, big, bad, brutal Chermans actually
permitted the hebes to print their own newspaper right up the the bitter
end. Let 'em keep and fly their blue and white flag too.
You didn't know that did you?
You probably don't know the same nasty, dastardly, beastly, big, bad, brutal
Chermans also had over 800 jews living in complete freedom in a Berlin
hospital at the end of the war.
It might be nice if you appraised yourself of some facts on all subjects in
lieu of gobbing off on an ad hoc basis.
B.H. Cramer
On Sep 9, 12:23 am, Chiron <chiron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > (n) censoring, censorship (deleting parts of publications or
> > > correspondence or theatrical
> > > performances) -http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=censorship
>
> > So when the Third Reich *controlled* all the Newspapers in
> > Germany by FORCE, that wasn't censorship? Well I happen
> > to think it was. The English dictionary I have found to be wrong
> > before.
>
> Yes, because they could "delete" the offending articles by burning
> them (and their authors). That's what censorship is all about,
> controlling what can be said.
>Isn't that what I jest said?
No one is terribly sure of what you say, bruciebabes. Ever! Least of all
you, I suspect.
Bruce
> "Bruce" <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
You can't attack the message so you attack the messenger.
Typical Troll tactic.
Cheers..
;-)
Bruce
Chiron
> On Sep 9, 12:23 am, Chiron <chiron...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Yes, because they could "delete" the offending articles by burning
> > them (and their authors). That's what censorship is all about,
> > controlling what can be said.
>
> Isn't that what I jest said? So where's the BEEF?!?
It's in the Wendy's hamburger...
Not at all. You're making a ridiculous comparison between the Nazis
at the height of their power, and Saint, who has no power in this
newsgroup. In case it's not painfully obvious, Saint cannot delete
any posts. Therefore, he has no power of censorship. The comparison
is invalid.
>
>
> > The only sort of "censorship" Saint can commit here is throwing a
> > hissy fit if he doesn't like what someone says. Hardly enough to shut
> > anyone up, if they don't want to shut up. You're still here; Art's
> > here, Shiva, bunches of others. I'm even here, for a moment or two.
> > Saint's "censorship" doesn't work at all, does it?
>
> OH, I see the BEEF is with "Saint". Are you sure yer fer real
> and not some paranoid schizophrenic delusion of Albans?!?
> After all that is the kind of Tactic he might take. I DO NOTE
> you call him "saint".
>
What beef are you talking about? Why do you keep talking about a
beef? I'm not complaining about Saint, I'm saying he has no power to
censor. How hard is that to grasp? I'm not saying he's a great guy.
I'm not saying I like the guy. I'm not even saying that he wouldn't
delete posts if he did have the power, that he doesn't want to
censor. All I'm saying is that it is impossible for him, or *anyone*
to censor this newsgroup. Why do you find this so difficult to
understand?
If you focus your attention to what I say, rather than trying to
puzzle out who I am, you might have fewer difficulties with reading
comprehension. If you had any inkling of how to investigate a post's
author, you'd see that he's in Arizona, and I'm a thousand miles
away. True, some clever hacker could spoof this, use a proxy and so
on, but Saint doesn't have those skills.
But besides all this, if you weren't too lazy to look at the Google
archives, you'd see that my current identity (as Chiron) goes back a
few years, and I've had several run-ins with Saint. If Saint has had
the patience and slyness to create such a long-term sock puppet, and
to have that puppet badger him in the past, then you're far
outclassed. He'll steamroll you, no question about it.
But again, if you weren't so fucking lazy, you'd already know that
Saint has accused me of being a child, and a woman or girl. At one
time I think he suspected I was "Boggle", a sock puppeteer of long
standing on this group.
I'm not going to spoon feed you here. Go check out the archives to
see whether your theory has any merit. You'll find, if you get off
your butt, that it does not. It's pure speculation, without basis,
without substantive evidence to support it. As even a cursory reading
of the archives would demonstrate to you.
But even if your theory did have merit - what am I saying here, that
is false about Saint's inability to censor anyone? Have I made any
claim that cannot be verified (or that isn't common knowledge)? If
so, what is that claim? Tell me what's wrong with the statement,
where it diverges from the truth. Tell me where my logic has fallen
short, where I went off course and came to false conclusions.
I'm thinking you can't do that. Well, I'm morally certain you can't
do it, but I also recognize that I might have made a mistake
somewhere. So if my logic or my facts are incorrect, then say which
ones, and where I went amiss. Whoever I am - Saint's sock puppet, a
concerned citizen, a figment of your own imagination - if you can't
specify where the error is, then you're just farting in a windstorm.
Technically, you're committing the "ad hominem" fallacy, attacking the
person instead of directing your arguments to my statements. It
doesn't matter who I am - what have I said that is wrong, and what
makes it wrong?
Oh, one more thing. I call him "Saint" because that's the name he
signs with. You claim the name "Bruce" (you don't actually say it's
your name, you say "they" call you that). So I'll refer to you as
Bruce. It has to do with showing respect to people, a concept that is
foreign to many newsgroups. Funny that you don't do it yourself,
being so concerned with what's right and all... But I guess it's OK
for you to disrespect some people. Probably only the bad people.
I suppose I might as well add yet another "one more thing". Wikipedia
has the right to censor their creation. Their servers, their rules.
They have the right to turn it off today, take the whole thing down,
never to run again. Yes, it's still censorship, but it's not illegal,
not even morally wrong. They own the site. They could turn it into a
porn site if they wanted to.
If you don't like what they're doing, set up your own servers and run
it the way you like. Call it Bruce-ipedia or something.
Chiron
> "Bruce" <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
So, those 800 alleged free Jews somehow excuse the millions who were
slaughtered?
WTF are you saying here? And what is your source of information,
anyway?
Yes, the Germans allowed some Jews to print their own papers, inside
their ghettos. Unfortunately, they didn't permit the Jews to have
adequate food, medical supplies, access to clean water, etc. But they
let them print their newspapers. Big, fat, hairy deal.
Truth Will Out
"Chiron" <chir...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4c1d1d1c-2814-4e0c...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
If there were millions slaughtered, as the Holocaust story goes, no - there
is no justification.
What Ben has posted shows the Germans had NO state sanctioned policy to
eliminate all Jews.
>WTF are you saying here? And what is your source of information,
>anyway?
>Yes, the Germans allowed some Jews to print their own papers, inside
>their ghettos.
Was Germany a ghetto?
>Unfortunately, they didn't permit the Jews to have
>adequate food, medical supplies, access to clean water, etc. But they
>let them print their newspapers. Big, fat, hairy deal.
You are an idiot.
David St. Albans
Sorry, but you're simply wrong. There is, nor can there be,
censorship by St. Albans and his minions. What you're saying is
simply incorrect.
TRUE
You can't censor a public newsgroup.
TRUE
Saint is a schoolyard bully.
NOT TRUE
No one has control to silence anyone here, nor to remove any posts.
TRUE
> What Saint does is simply trying to steamroll anyone who gets in his
> way.
NOT TRUE.
(I defend myself against steamrollers)
> Saint has not had any control over this newsgroup. His "sycophants"
> are mostly a figment of your imagination.
TRUE
>Throughout the ten or so
> years of Saint's existence here, he has been mostly an outcast, a
> pariah, not a petty despot.
TRUE
> He has had a large number of people
> attacking and ridiculing him, often doing so just to get a reaction
> from him. Occasionally he may have someone who appears to be his
> buddy, but usually they start asking questions, challenging what Saint
> says, and that quickly devolves into a bitter break.
Too TRUE
Saint has no serious control here.
TRUE (nor do I seek control).
He can't do any harm,
TRUE
If you check the archives, you'll see Saint trying to bully me.
NOT TRUE. You will see me trying at first to reason with Chiron , then
finding Chiron to be an irritable and irrascible person with a bad
temper and some bad ideas. Then you'llsee me defending myself against
his belligerent attacks. It's called PERCEPTION. And mine is as true
or more true to me, than Chiron's perceptions of his "incidents with
Albans".
> Did I go away? Well, yes,
Did I make him go away? Nope...
> In an unmoderated newsgroup, there will always be assholes of
various
> sorts
TRUE, and there will be opinionated busy-bodies as well...Chiron.
> > > Yes, Saint probably does run some people off this newsgroup with his
> > > attacks. Those are likely the people who have better things to do
> > > besides arguing with fools.
I love these back handed compliments..."I love you! Mind if I stick
this knife in your back and just give it a bit of a twist?" Chiron is
as big as an asshole as I have met on the NGs. And Bruce...well he's
an egomaniacal half-wit and a deluded paranoid...But then there's a
lot of those on these NGs as well.
All Chiron is doing is making things unpleasant for me...when in fact
it is Bruce who needs to be shut up in a box and mailed to the Funny
Farm. How can I argue with a twat who won't even talk to me, but
insults me through posts to other people he completely disagrees
with?! that's just downright rude and weird.
Cheers!
They call me BRUCE
Or is he just an extra mailbox on MY shelf??? Maybe I'm Bruce's puppet
master!
Wouldn't that be creepy?
Saint
Bruce
wrote:
> On Sep 8, 8:38 pm, Chiron <chiron...@gmail.com> wrote:
David Albans talking to himself again. He jest loves to agree with his
split personalities. There are a couple fella's who do the same exact
thing
in SCJ. While over in ARS scientology Barb has probably a dozen
scientologists hiding behind her name.
Same tactics, different newsgroup. Nothing but deception.
Like I say, Albans ain't EVIL, simply conflicted.
Peace be with you all..
They call me Bruce
>
Decoder2
Well BRU-C, no one really cares about what you think anymore. You're a
chicken shit, runs from real posting and you have lost the Flame war
which you started. After today, I will no longer respond to any of
your troll posting. If you have something to say about angels or
religion, I will respond.
So, bye bye loser~!
Decoder2
I apologize for cross posting my post.
Art
Bruce
What do ya do with schizo's like this, except try to ignore them
the best you can, If you didn't it would be an endless vicious
cycle.
David St. Albans
> David Albans talking to himself again.
That's right. Whenever I appear as Bruce, I am talking to myself. In
fact everyone on the Ng is ME! Hehehehe! Oh I Boggle the mind, Don't
I?
>He jest loves to agree with his
> split personalities.
Yep, because I and Brucey are One.
> There are a couple fella's who do the same exact
> thing
> in SCJ.
Those guys are me too!
> Like I say, Albans ain't EVIL, simply conflicted.
You tell, 'em, Dave! Oops, I mean Bruce!
Peace be with you all..
They call me Bruce
Except when they call me Saint!
Bruce
wrote:
Like I say, yer conflicted, and you know it too!
Bruce
B.H. Cramer
It rhymes with fuckwitted.
Bruce
and stop the plagiarism of other peoples word.
I don't care if they don't know how to write, and
are schizo, it's not an excuse for plagiarism.
Especially just to confuse people. They obviously
know how to quote, cause they do it often enough
when they want to. They in a conflicted manner
simply don't.
They may fool some readers, but most can see
right through it.
Chiron
all the nasty things you said, trying to shut me up by bullying and
intimidating me. I can document everything I say here about that, and
you know it (or you should know it).
Of course you resort to special pleading to make each instance go
away. This was a joke, that wasn't what you meant, the other was a
mistake, yadda-yadda-yadda. You've tried to bully people into
silence, if they disagreed with you, and that's the truth. In
particular, you've tried it to me, with very little success because I
really don't shut up.
Azure
>
> On Sep 6, 11:12 pm, "Art" <a...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > It's our group not just one persons
>
> It's Albans and his sycophants group (including yours).
> You claim "it's our group" well I can't disagree with
> you there. Most everybody else is not welcome as is
> evident from ya'll's posts. The four of you have
> run off more people than I can count. I jest happen
> to be browsing by and took notice.
>
> But again, why bother to defend against this thread
> like you do? Why even worry yerself about it, unless
> yer guilty as charged!
>
> > You Sir, are a cross posting troll.
>
> Crossposting does not constitute being a troll.
> So unless you got some other evidence to prove
> such, quit lying about it.
>
> Actions speak louder than words. Why do you
> continue to crosspost in defense of ARA and Albans?
>
> You must think people stupid to be carrying on such.
> This thread could have been ended LONG ago, if you
> Allan, and Albans did not feel guilty about it all.
>
> Peace be with you..
>
> They call me Bruce
>
> >
> >
> > > Ho hum, more Gestapo tactics from Hate Mongers like Albans
> > > and Art! Trying to change the subject already as a TACTIC of
> > > WAR! See what I mean by Dogs of WAR?
> >
> > > I hope they dry up soon so everyone else can get back to
> > > their regular posting. This post wasn't about them to
> > > begin with, yet I note how they desperately seek to defend
> > > against it, as if they were guilty.
> >
> > > Peace be with you all..
> >
> > > They call me Bruce
You about summed the whole thing up in a few statements!
They don't deny, they just argue and change subjects!
As you say, Guilty as Charged!!!!!!!!!!
Azure
>
> I think people will listen to reason and rational explanations, if
> they are smart. Otherwise they will listen to me.
>
> Saint
Conceded Prick aren't you!
Azure
> > > > On Sep 5, 2:15 pm, Bruce <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
> >
> > > > > Where there are those few, similar to Albie
> > > > > and his sycophants in ARA who *control*
> > > > > what gets accepted and what doesn't. That
> > > > > is called *censorship* It seems Google is
> > > > > going the same way. Those are not the
> > > > > principles UseNet was founded upon. I hate
> > > > > to see the OLD UseNet slip away. Maybe it will
> > > > > force the return of the Glory Days of BBSing
> > > > > and Packet Mailing.
> >
> > > > > In any event the screws are tightening on freedom
> > > > > of speech on Usenet.
> >
> > > > > Hail to the Chief..
> >
> >
> > > > > They call me Bruce
> >
> >
> > > I'm talking about people like you
> > > and Albans that try to *control* public
> > > opinion, through manipulation, and
> > > distractions just like your snide remark
> > > above.
> >
> > > Then when it's pointed out to them they
> > > or somebody else for them LIES to
> > > cover up the Truth, and dominate the
> > > subject with Bullshit.
> >
> > > I'm also talking about other attempts
> > > to *control* information that gets processed
> > > on the Internet. Like false accusations
> > > made by Albie and his associates
> > > to Internet Authority, wheather it
> > > be to Google, Wikipedia, of some other.
> >
> > Worse they assume your identity and commit Crimes "In your Name"!
> > Got Server Records to that one!
> > Selling Watches in my name for starters!
> >
> >
> >
> > > Wikipedia is being dominated the same way
> > > as ARA is. Now it seems so is Google.
> > > By USERS like yerself.
> >
> > Moral Majority games, and Albie claims he isn't Christian.
> > No real difference between Jesus and Albie, neither are God, Both are
> > Man, the worship of which is Unforgivable SIN!
> >
> >
> >
> > > Peace Be with you all..
> >
> > > They call me Bruce
>
> No one worships me. And since I am not a Christian and apparently
> neither is Azure, what's all this about worship of a man being a
> sin???
JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like You he replaced God with Man.
Karmic Law is a Joke it is impossible!
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Azure
> and why they come to yer rescue whenever they can.
>
> > And since I am not a Christian and apparently
> > neither is Azure,
>
> but apparently you don't even do that!
>
> > what's all this about worship of a man being a
> > sin???
>
> don't believe scriptures you think you can get away with it.
>
> > If playing like one is a girl and getting screwed in the butt
> > is not a "sin" in azure's world...(or mine for that matter...it's
> > simply a matter of style and sexual preference) why would it be a sin
> > anywhere unless one ADHERES TO THE CHRISTIAN FAITH???
>
> Like I said you don't have to be a Christian to believe Scriptures,
> but I can see where a BIGOT like yerself might get confused by
> that fact.
>
> > I mean is it the
> > Bible Azure rants against?
YES in Part!
Albans?
Yes, in Part!
The Republicans?
Absolutely, in Part!
Or just anyone her/
> > his little psychotic mind focuses on in a day?
No just the TRINITY!
Because you cannot have
> > it both ways.
Can to, Bi Ble, 2 Paths!
If someone worships me, I'd love to know who it is.
YOU FOR ONE!
ART FOR SECONDS!
Any who "FOLLOW" your Books Teachings!
ect. . . .
But
> > I see people worship Meher Baba and L. Ron Hubbard and the Virgin Mary
> > (she was a human being, not a goddess...so worshiping her would also
> > be "a sin" all you Catholics!)
Yep, but then they did take that from the People who Worship "The
Mother"!
KJV talks of Jehovah and JERA, gotta make sure and cover all the bases.
>
> I don't think you will find any Catholics here in these Newsgroups
Still think you are an Opie!
> so don't bother trying to win them over with your lies.
>
> > And yet no one is coming down on them.
>
> They were not a part of this thread and subject, if you want go start
> one,
> just not here.
>
> > God hasn't come back to pillage their worlds, which are a lot more
> > powerful and influential than MINE! Hahaha!
>
> Careful, yer Megalomania is showing.
His always does!!!!!!!
> >
> > Azure says the Bible speaks of him and that he is a Witness to
> > Christ.
NO I DO NOT YOU SCREWED IN THE HEAD LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!
I SAY IT CONTAINS MY NAME "YES"!, Gen 25:2 Numbers 13:16, Rev. 22:.
BUT I never said I was a WITNESS for JESUS!!!!!!!
I SAW GOD!
GOD, is not a MAN, not FLESH, not YOU!
YOU like everyone may be made in the Image of God, but that does not
make you or any "MAN" GOD!
I to back my self continually cite Daniel 8:, in reference to who I sw
or speak for or about!
I further cite Rev 19:10 which states
"This is the Truth of God:
And I fell at his feet and worshipped and he said see thou doest this
not, for Jesus is but a Man, a Fellow Servant and a Prophet.""
Well that's Christ JESUS in the Bible.
NT only fool!
And it is Jesus who
> > John swears will return and bring a new order of things.
No says "The Apollyian"!
So not only
> > does she WORSHIP A MAN, she works for Him
Your Illiteracy and Bigoted foolishness shines like a Carbon Arc Spot
:light Albie!
You haven't a freaking Clue!
Azure
YEP!
>
Azure
>
> On Sep 5, 4:15 pm, Bruce <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
> >
> > Where there are those few, similar to Albie
> > and his sycophants in ARA who *control*
> > what gets accepted and what doesn't. That
> > is called *censorship* It seems Google is
> > going the same way. Those are not the
> > principles UseNet was founded upon. I hate
> > to see the OLD UseNet slip away. Maybe it will
> > force the return of the Glory Days of BBSing
> > and Packet Mailing.
> >
> > In any event the screws are tightening on freedom
> > of speech on Usenet.
> >
> > Hail to the Chief..
> >
> > Peace be with you all..
> >
> > They call me Bruce
>
>
> censorship by St. Albans and his minions. What you're saying is
> simply incorrect.
You are simply WRONG!
THey alter Records continually!
They hit Server Files for April Fools Day this Year!
FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Azure
>
> On Sep 8, 2:23 am, Chiron <chiron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 5, 4:15 pm, Bruce <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..
> >
> > > Where there are those few, similar to Albie
> > > and his sycophants in ARA who *control*
> > > what gets accepted and what doesn't. That
> > > is called *censorship* It seems Google is
> > > going the same way. Those are not the
> > > principles UseNet was founded upon. I hate
> > > to see the OLD UseNet slip away. Maybe it will
> > > force the return of the Glory Days of BBSing
> > > and Packet Mailing.
> >
> > > In any event the screws are tightening on freedom
> > > of speech on Usenet.
> >
> > > Hail to the Chief..
> >
> > > Peace be with you all..
> >
> > > They call me Bruce
> >
> > ??? Control what gets accepted???
> >
> > Sorry, but you're simply wrong. There is, nor can there be,
> > censorship by St. Albans and his minions. What you're saying is
> > simply incorrect.
>
> He bullied you, jest like he and his puppetmaster theater
> attempts to bully everyone else. You simply decided to give
> up, but that doesn't change the facts. The same thing happens
> over in Wikipedia, and is attempted elsewhere on Usenet as well.
> It has become a science (as in scientology) for some people.
>
> Most Dictatorships are run by school yard bullies. They achieve
> it with LIES, FEAR mongering, and making PERSONAL
> attacks on people. You claim they don't, and then give
> supporting evidence that they do!
That's Albie and his Clique all right!
David St. Albans
>
> - Show quoted text -
If this is a FACT, PROVE IT... Extraordinary claims demand
extraordinary PROOF. You are the prosecutor, bring proof now so we may
defend ourselves against you. or drop dead with your LIES. Show me
anyone of our names involved with any sort of any server attack
anywhere. If there are no names, then you are LYING about all of us.
We are not a cult. We do NOT attack servers, and you are a LUNATIC.
Saint
Bruce
wrote:
Good luck proving such things. Good luck proving Scientology Barb
is a Mailbot. Yer asking for the impossible, and you know it or
you wouldn't scream it so loud.
Jest another distraction of yers is all.
Azure
Must be of Gaulish Descent!
Only Irish, Scottish and French say such!!!
Azure
Already did!
Azure
He probably Altered the Records already!
But I would doubt he Put Back my Poem about the London Quake!