Chris Matthews takes down Catholic bishop on abortion
John Manning
Separation of Church and State quote from John F Kennedy, a Catholic:
"I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant
nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts
instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of
Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body
seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general
populace or the public acts of its officials..."
~ President John F Kennedy - Transcript: JFK's Speech on His Religion
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600
Chris Matthews' exchange with RI Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin
Watch video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUTPhZmkIDI
mg
> Separation of Church and State quote from John F Kennedy, a Catholic:
>
> "I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant
> nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts
> instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of
> Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body
> seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general
> populace or the public acts of its officials..."
>
>
> Chris Matthews' exchange with RI Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin
>
> Watch video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUTPhZmkIDI
The best two remedies I can think of are:
1. Don't vote for a Catholic.
2. Remove the tax exempt status of churches.
Just James
I vote for number 2. Can you imagine how much income that would bring
the government? They could cut the taxes of all Americans and still
have a surplus.
--
Just James
"Not everyone requires a rational explanation before they can believe
something. It's called faith." ~ Zootal (ARM 10/20/2009)
Priceless
duke
>Separation of Church and State quote from John F Kennedy, a Catholic:
>"I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant
>nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts
>instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of
>Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body
>seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general
>populace or the public acts of its officials..."
Chris Matthews apparently doesn't understand that Christians vote, just like
atheists do.
Eliminate 1, eliminate both.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
I have a better idea. Delete all tax exempt income and pay your taxes.
duke
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>mg wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 8:07 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>> Separation of Church and State quote from John F Kennedy, a Catholic:
>>>
>>> "I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant
>>> nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts
>>> instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of
>>> Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body
>>> seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general
>>> populace or the public acts of its officials..."
>>>
>>> ~ President John F Kennedy - Transcript: JFK's Speech on His Religionhttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600
>>>
>>> Chris Matthews' exchange with RI Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin
>>>
>>> Watch video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUTPhZmkIDI
>>
>> The best two remedies I can think of are:
>>
>> 1. Don't vote for a Catholic.
>> 2. Remove the tax exempt status of churches.
>I vote for number 2. Can you imagine how much income that would bring
>the government? They could cut the taxes of all Americans and still
>have a surplus.
None. The income goes to charity giveaways and support for the needy, and is
deductible as an expense item.
Budikka666
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:07:24 -0200, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >Separation of Church and State quote from John F Kennedy, a Catholic:
> >"I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant
> >nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts
> >instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of
> >Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body
> >seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general
> >populace or the public acts of its officials..."
>
> Chris Matthews apparently doesn't understand that Christians vote, just like
> atheists do.
And the overwhelming majority of them Voted for Obama. End of story.
Here's where you FLED when I challenged you directly - at least once a
month for the last five months:
July 12th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/lldf56
August 16th,2009: http://tinyurl.com/kjjmn4
September 10th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/oasqn8
October 3rd, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybvtw53
November 9th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yjlmbrf
November 19th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yj64yqj
November 20th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybrkvyh
November 22nd, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ycw6s8l
End of you. Case closed.
Budikka
Enkidu
I'd go for that . . . churches included.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Sara Brum
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So let's remove the tax exempt status and see how it goes. If you're right,
the churches have nothing to worry about.
Great Dayne
> > Chris Matthews apparently doesn't understand that Christians vote, just like
> > atheists do.
>
> And the overwhelming majority of them Voted for Obama. End of story.
LOL!
The majority of christians voted for some kid from indonesia?
That is the world's largest MUSLIM country you dolt!
hoser1605
SkyEyes
> On Nov 24, 3:53 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > > Chris Matthews apparently doesn't understand that Christians vote, just like
> > > atheists do.
>
> > And the overwhelming majority of them Voted for Obama. End of story.
>
> LOL!
>
> The majority of christians voted for some kid from indonesia?
Indeed they did vote for Obama (who is not "from" Indonesia but
Hawaii); he could not have gotten elected unless christians voted for
him - take off your shoes and do the math. By the way: he's a
christian as well.
> That is the world's largest MUSLIM country you dolt!
And Obama merely spent some time there as a child. I spent time in
Mexico; does that make me a Mexican?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
MarkA
I'd be OK with just having them pay real estate taxes for their churches.
--
MarkA
Keeper of the Butter Dish of Balshazar
hypa...@comcast.net
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:08:27 -0600, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >mg wrote:
> >> On Nov 24, 8:07 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >>> Separation of Church and State quote from John F Kennedy, a Catholic:
>
> >>> "I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant
> >>> nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts
> >>> instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of
> >>> Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body
> >>> seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general
> >>> populace or the public acts of its officials..."
>
> >>> ~ President John F Kennedy - Transcript: JFK's Speech on His Religionhttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600
>
> >>> Chris Matthews' exchange with RI Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin
>
> >>> Watch video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUTPhZmkIDI
>
> >> The best two remedies I can think of are:
>
> >> 1. Don't vote for a Catholic.
> >> 2. Remove the tax exempt status of churches.
> >I vote for number 2. Can you imagine how much income that would bring
> >the government? They could cut the taxes of all Americans and still
> >have a surplus.
>
> None. The income goes to charity giveaways and support for the needy, and is
> deductible as an expense item.
>
chloe
> Separation of Church and State quote from John F Kennedy, a Catholic:
>
> "I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant
> nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts
> instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of
> Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body
> seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general
> populace or the public acts of its officials..."
>
>
> Chris Matthews' exchange with RI Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin
>
> Watch video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUTPhZmkIDI
This is not a Christian matter. It's a Catholic matter. Catholics
are Christians; vice versa, not so much. In Catholicism, you're in,
or you're out. Those are your choices. It's strident, I'm
surprised there's even a discussion. However....one's personal
beliefs are one's own. Paddy is a public figure, he doesn't get that
allowance. If the Catholic Church wants to punish, they will have to
come after all Catholics who believe in a woman's right to choose, not
just the Catholics who have to express in public, no matter how they
may feel in private. Anyone ask Paddy? He has to take take the
public road, it's the law. In private, he may feel different. He's
a person, he is allowed. There are distinctions. Last time I
listened to a priest.....can't remember. And I'm a Catholic
john.p
Corporation reform.
--
John P.
Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis.--Sigmund Freud
john.p
Jerry Prevo, proprietor of Mega church here in Alaska has managed to get
exemptions for all his properties. he has his teachers and others all
living in tax exempt housing. I agree that them paying property taxes
would be a good idea. After all they expect the fire dept and police
when to show when there is an emergency.
Nomen Publicus
What? He's not protected by his fairy god father?
--
If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save
people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of
their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV
preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul,
foul, foul. -- Isaac Asimov
john.p
They once thought they didn't need lightning rods.
Day Brown
> I'd be OK with just having them pay real estate taxes for their churches.
He said that whenever a new emperor arose out of the chaos of anarchy
and warlords, the first thing he did was to endow a temple with tax free
lands in perpetuity to whatever god he thot had aided his rise. The next
was to create good positions for his partisans.
But then his son, not wishing to appear less righteous, would also endow
another temple and lands in tax free perpetuity, and also provide good
positions for his friends.
Well, as you can imagine, after a couple hundred years of this, the map
of China was a crazy quilt of non-taxable areas with a bloated
bureaucracy. China has had 10 dynasties in the last 2500 years, which
averaged 200 years each with 50 years of disorganization from one to the
next. The notable exception being the Mongols, who didnt like paperwork,
and didnt giva fuck about Chinese gods. IIRC, lasting 600 years.
Anyway, in time, the entitlements cut into the tax base, so the elite
did what is always does, raises the taxes on everyone else. Of course
this meant the craftsmen could no longer afford high quality tools or
the time to properly train the next generation. So, the infrastructure
gradually declined.
Everywhere you went well connected con artists, sensing how the whole
shithouse was going to come down were out for all they could get rather
than fulfilling the duties implied in their office. The cost of
management went thru the roof. And going anywhere was a bitch cause the
roads were getting worse.
Inevitably there was a natural disaster; a crop failure, or a whole city
that was flooded, and the civil authorities could not keep order.
Course, they called out the army, but- these were the people who
invented red tape, so you know between the paperwork and the roads, the
troops didnt show up until after the looting.
And like everywhere else, the rich, who always do things on the cheap,
thot they could do with fewer and cheaper troops. So, the borders became
uncontrolled, and barbarians infiltrated. The crime rate rose. Then some
problem in some obscure corner was not dealt with in a timely manner,
and the chaos rapidly spread thru the whole country.
The mandarins didnt know there was a problem until the bricks in the
palace wall started flying over it. But by the time of the Tang, he said
some historians thot they saw a pattern. But- the tongue that rolled out
with the truth, rolled with the head off the chopping block.
Besides, he said, there was an alternative to the bead pushers on the
abacus calculating the tax base. That was "Shan", the Chinese god of
Chaos. He's that red faced fellow with the boar's tusk mustache. The
monks said that every time China got too organized, the Shan decided to
change the probabilities people relied on. The weather got weird, new
diseases came outta nowhere, and zealots ranted on street corners to
ever wider audiences. The Shan got zealously active.
And so it went until the last dynasty, the Qing. Some scholars did get
to the last, young emperor, and explained what the problem was. So, he
tried to reform the bureaucracy and do something about the taxes. But
his grandmother declared him insane, revoked his changes, and as always
before, the whole shithouse came down.
And it was, as usual, another 50 years til Mao got things under control
again. There's some notion Mao understood the problem and that sending
the bureaucrats back to the field to raise turnips was an attempt to
forestall the next cycle. And for sure, Atheism ended the non-taxable
status of religious estates. But still, the prof said that you had to
watch out for the next time the fit hits the Shan.
MarkA
The ultimate demonstration of stubbornness: rebuilding a church that has
burned down. Even Peugeot owners aren't THAT stubborn, and Car Talk's
Tappet Brothers cite *them* as the ultimate testament to stubbornness!
Logan Sacket
By Sarah Palin
Wednesday, December 9, 2009
With the publication of damaging e-mails from a climate research
center in Britain, the radical environmental movement appears to face
a tipping point. The revelation of appalling actions by so-called
climate change experts allows the American public to finally
understand the concerns so many of us have articulated on this issue.
"Climate-gate," as the e-mails and other documents from the Climate
Research Unit at the University of East Anglia have become known,
exposes a highly politicized scientific circle -- the same circle
whose work underlies efforts at the Copenhagen climate change
conference. The agenda-driven policies being pushed in Copenhagen
won't change the weather, but they would change our economy for the
worse.
The e-mails reveal that leading climate "experts" deliberately
destroyed records, manipulated data to "hide the decline" in global
temperatures, and tried to silence their critics by preventing them
from publishing in peer-reviewed journals. What's more, the documents
show that there was no real consensus even within the CRU crowd. Some
scientists had strong doubts about the accuracy of estimates of
temperatures from centuries ago, estimates used to back claims that
more recent temperatures are rising at an alarming rate.
This scandal obviously calls into question the proposals being pushed
in Copenhagen. I've always believed that policy should be based on
sound science, not politics. As governor of Alaska, I took a stand
against politicized science when I sued the federal government over
its decision to list the polar bear as an endangered species despite
the fact that the polar bear population had more than doubled. I got
clobbered for my actions by radical environmentalists nationwide, but
I stood by my view that adding a healthy species to the endangered
list under the guise of "climate change impacts" was an abuse of the
Endangered Species Act. This would have irreversibly hurt both
Alaska's economy and the nation's, while also reducing opportunities
for responsible development.
Our representatives in Copenhagen should remember that good
environmental policymaking is about weighing real-world costs and
benefits -- not pursuing a political agenda. That's not to say I deny
the reality of some changes in climate -- far from it. I saw the
impact of changing weather patterns firsthand while serving as
governor of our only Arctic state. I was one of the first governors to
create a subcabinet to deal specifically with the issue and to
recommend common-sense policies to respond to the coastal erosion,
thawing permafrost and retreating sea ice that affect Alaska's
communities and infrastructure.
But while we recognize the occurrence of these natural, cyclical
environmental trends, we can't say with assurance that man's
activities cause weather changes. We can say, however, that any
potential benefits of proposed emissions reduction policies are far
outweighed by their economic costs. And those costs are real. Unlike
the proposals China and India offered prior to Copenhagen -- which
actually allow them to increase their emissions -- President Obama's
proposal calls for serious cuts in our own long-term carbon emissions.
Meeting such targets would require Congress to pass its cap-and-tax
plans, which will result in job losses and higher energy costs (as
Obama admitted during the campaign). That's not exactly what most
Americans are hoping for these days. And as public opposition
continues to stall Congress's cap-and-tax legislation, Environmental
Protection Agency bureaucrats plan to regulate carbon emissions
themselves, doing an end run around the American people.
In fact, we're not the only nation whose people are questioning
climate change schemes. In the European Union, energy prices
skyrocketed after it began a cap-and-tax program. Meanwhile,
Australia's Parliament recently defeated a cap-and-tax bill. Surely
other nations will follow suit, particularly as the climate e-mail
scandal continues to unfold.
In his inaugural address, President Obama declared his intention to
"restore science to its rightful place." But instead of staying home
from Copenhagen and sending a message that the United States will not
be a party to fraudulent scientific practices, the president has upped
the ante. He plans to fly in at the climax of the conference in hopes
of sealing a "deal." Whatever deal he gets, it will be no deal for the
American people. What Obama really hopes to bring home from Copenhagen
is more pressure to pass the Democrats' cap-and-tax proposal. This is
a political move. The last thing America needs is misguided
legislation that will raise taxes and cost jobs -- particularly when
the push for such legislation rests on agenda-driven science.
Without trustworthy science and with so much at stake, Americans
should be wary about what comes out of this politicized conference.
The president should boycott Copenhagen.
IAAH
>
> By Sarah Palin
> Wednesday, December 9, 2009
Okay, a self-admitted young-earth creationist
thinks her opinion about trustworthy science means
something?
THAT is funny.
--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
-Bertrand Russell
haiku jones
> By Sarah Palin
> Wednesday, December 9, 2009
Excellent! One of the best parodies posted here this month!
In difficult times like these, a good honest belly-laugh can
serve to make us all take a step back and perhaps
look at current issues with a little less passion and
a little more objectivity.
Sarah Palin: the right's answer to Dave Barry!
You go, girl!
Haiku Jones
Free Lunch
logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
<4b2129b5...@news.eternal-september.org>:
>
>
>By Sarah Palin
>Wednesday, December 9, 2009
>
>With the publication of damaging e-mails from a climate research
>center in Britain, the radical environmental movement appears to face
>a tipping point. The revelation of appalling actions by so-called
>climate change experts allows the American public to finally
>understand the concerns so many of us have articulated on this issue.
...
I see that that Ms. Palin is too lazy to learn anything about
anthropogenic climate change or about the emails. Any chance the people
who worship her will finally get a clue?
Logan Sacket
sexual filth propagated by a senior presidential appointee who is
responsible for promoting and implementing federal education policy.
Democrats clearly are terrified of ruffling the feathers of their
activist homosexual supporters, who are an influential part of the
Democratic party's base. This scandal, however, is not merely about
homosexual behavior; it is about promoting sex between children and
adults - and it's time for President Obama to make clear that abetting
such illegal perversion has no place in his administration.
It is curious why White House officials and Education Secretary Arne
Duncan believe it's worth it politically to continue taking arrows for
defending Kevin Jennings, who is Mr. Obama's controversial "safe
schools czar." The evidence suggesting he is unfit to serve as a
senior presidential appointee is startling and plentiful. It was
revealed this week that Mr. Jennings was involved in promoting a
reading list for children 13 years old or older that made the most
explicit sex between children and adults seem normal and acceptable.
This brought up anew Mr. Jennings' past controversies, such as his
seeming encouragement of sex between one of his high school students
and a much older man as well as his praise for Harry Hay, a notorious
supporter of the North American Man Boy Love Association.
But there is more. There are shocking new revelations this week of
tape recordings from a youth conference involving 14-year-old
students. The conference, billed as a forum to encourage tolerance of
homosexuality, was sponsored by Mr. Jennings' organization and was
held at Tufts University in March 2000. Mr. Jennings was executive
director of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN)
from its founding in 1995 until August 2008. The conference sessions
appear to have had less to do with promoting tolerance and more to do
with teaching children how to engage in sex.
Andrew Breitbart's Biggovernment.com provides tapes of some of the
sessions. Describing the subject matter as smut would be putting it
lightly. The conference discussions were very graphic and cannot be
relayed in full detail in a family newspaper. A few examples are
sufficient to describe the depravity of the subject matter. During one
session about oral sex, a presenter asked the 14-year-old students:
"Spit or swallow? Is it rude?" In another session, the 14-year-olds
are taught about a gross practice called "fisting," in which "the man
leading the discussion position[ed] his hand and show[ed] 14-year-olds
how to insert their entire hand into the rectum of their sex partner."
Teaching children sexual techniques is simply not appropriate.
Unfortunately, it is part of a consistent pattern by some homosexual
activists to promote underage homosexuality while pretending that
their mission is simply to promote tolerance for so-called alternative
lifestyles. It is outrageous that someone involved in this scandal is
being paid by the taxpayers to serve in a high-powered position at the
Education Department, of all places. At some point, Mr. Duncan, Mr.
Jennings, Obama administration spokesmen and the president himself are
going to have to start answering questions about all this. Refusing to
do so won't make the issue go away.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/09/obamas-risky-sex-czar/
Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian
@news.eternal-september.org:
> Subject: Sarah Palin on Climate Gate
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Nutsack. Who ghost-wrote it for her?
She's so stupid she thinks "climate" is something you do to a tree.
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raven1
Sacket) wrote:
>By Sarah Palin
ROTFLMAO!
Yeah, suuure she wrote it.
(I'm sure she agrees with the science denial, but don't pretend that
she can see her way to the end of a sentence.)
Teresita
> Chris Matthews apparently doesn't understand that Christians vote, just like
> atheists do.
Yes, but the ones Christians vote for don't send a tingle up Matthew's leg.
--
Teresita
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