Can there be morality without God?
J
Can there be morality without God?
By Randal Rauser
While walking among the book tables at the American Academy of Religion
conference in Montreal this year I came across Walter Sinnott-Armstrong's
new book Morality Without God? (Oxford University Press, 2009).
Sinnott-Armstrong is an atheist at Dartmouth College, a respected scholar
(as employment at an ivy-league school surely implies!) and a veteran
debater with the evangelical champion of debate William Lane Craig. And for
a person like myself weary of reading 500 page academic tomes, at only 170
pages Sinnott-Armstrong's book provided a pleasant read on the flight back
home.
I appreciated Sinnott-Armstrong's book for two reasons. First, though he is
an atheist he deals with Christians fairly (for the most part, but see
below) and asks the same of those evangelical Christians who are his main
interlocutors in the book. The first couple chapters especially provide an
intriguing analysis of Christian prejudicial attitudes toward atheists. I
was interested at this point in the convergence between Sinnott-Armstrong's
views and my own as developed in my forthcoming book Not All Atheists are
Fools. We would all benefit from Sinnott-Armstrong's advice:
We all--atheists and theists alike--need to learn to listen and observe
instead of trying to feel our way into the lives of people who seem distant
to us.
In other words, don't simply assume that we know what the other person
thinks or intends to argue, but try to see things from their point of view.
This will do wonders and may even result in the destruction of our enemies
for, as Lincoln famously said, do I not destroy an enemy when I make him my
friend? Needless to say both the new atheists and their Christian opponents
would do well to engage in more sympathetic listening.
I also appreciated Sinnott-Armstrong's defense of an objective ethic based
on avoidance of harm. While much remains to be said in order to develop and
defend his view (for instance, I would like to know his views on the
ontological status of these objective moral laws so as to understand which
naturalisms it is consistent with; a treatment of his moral epistemology
would be helpful too), he provides atheists with a much more plausible
morality than the evolutionary and social constructivist accounts that are
all the rage these days.
The most notable lapse in Sinnott-Armstrong's generally admirable and fair
style comes with his treatment of scripture which is occasionally
tendentious to say the least. For instance, this is evident in his treatment
of the concept of blaspheming the Holy Spirit (Mt. 12:31 and Mk. 3:28)
(15-16). Moreover, he cherry-picks certain passages from the Old Testament
to support the conclusion that "the Bible suggests that killing nonbelievers
is morally required rather than morally wrong." Really? The Christian is
obliged to kill nonbelievers? Come on Walter (if I may), surely your
hermeneutical ability is subtler than that.
But those occasional lapses in discursive rigor and fairness should not
deter us from an engaging and nuanced treatment of ethical objectivism,
atheist-style.
--
J Young
Jvis...@live.com
Nomen Publicus
> http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-there-be-morality-without-god-13/
>
>
> Can there be morality without God?
>
a) Which "god"? There are lot's to chose from.
b) As gods do not exist, obviously there is "morality without God".
--
A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out
for what he knows. -- Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
Just James
I think a better question is, can their be true morality with religion?
Since there is no evidence for ANY god, one has to look at what there
is, which are all the man-made belief systems on the planet. Then one
must ask, why do we need them to be moral.
The answer is, we don't.
--
Just James
"Not everyone requires a rational explanation before they can believe
something. It's called faith." ~ Zootal (ARM 10/20/2009)
Priceless
Tapestry
> Since there is no evidence for ANY god
The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
I posted for the LORD to heal kidney dialysis, and someone
who was on their deathbed from that who was to be unplugged that very
night was healed.
Are you incredibly stupid, or do you just feel you have to lie a lot
in
front of the whole world?
Syd M.
> http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-the...
>
> Can there be morality without God?
>
Short answer; Yes.
Religion is notorious for preaching morality, but displaying none.
PDW
VoiceOfReason
Our concept of morality is not derived from religion. Religious
morality is merely a codification of a society's values at that time.
The Bible mentions brutality, slavery, etc, but that was the values
of that society at that time. Today we abhor slavery, not because a
religion told us to, but because our values have changed over time.
LC
"J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
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> Can there be morality without God?
Yes.
Next dumb question?
Olrik
> On Nov 23, 12:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>
> The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>
> I posted for the LORD to heal kidney dialysis, and someone
> who was on their deathbed from that who was to be unplugged that very
> night was healed.
I don't believe you for one second.
Jimbo
> On Nov 23, 12:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>
> The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>
> I posted for the LORD to heal kidney dialysis, and someone
> who was on their deathbed from that who was to be unplugged that very
> night was healed.
That doesn't prove that a god existed, that either means that the
person recovered, as many, many people do with or without prayer, or
you're lying your ass off.
SkyEyes
> http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-the...
>
Yes.
<Snip drivel>
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
SkyEyes
I don't believe you.
Andre Lieven
> http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-the...
>
Yes.
> By Randal Rauser
Moron.
Andre
Great Dayne
Yeah they just magically recovered from an incurable sickness that
very night they were to die.
Olrik
Isn't what you first posted?
How would one distinguish between "magic" and the actions of an
imaginary "god"?
Great Dayne
> Great Dayne wrote:
> > On Nov 23, 1:37 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 23, 1:33 pm, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Nov 23, 12:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>> Since there is no evidence for ANY god
> >>> The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
> >>> I posted for the LORD to heal kidney dialysis, and someone
> >>> who was on their deathbed from that who was to be unplugged that very
> >>> night was healed.
> >> That doesn't prove that a god existed, that either means that the
> >> person recovered, as many, many people do
>
> > Yeah they just magically recovered from an incurable sickness that
> > very night they were to die.
>
> Isn't what you first posted?
Yeah, it escapes me how you atheists can be so mentally retarded.
Olrik
Answer my question :
Lars Eighner
J broadcast on alt.atheism:
> Can there be morality without God?
There was morality before gods were invented. There will be morality after
gods are forgotten.
--
Lars Eighner *Atheist #1965* use...@larseighner.com <http://larseighner.com/>
307 days since Rick Warren prayed over Bush's third term.
Obama: No hope, no change, more of the same. Yes, he can, but no, he won't.
Budikka666
> Can there be morality without God?
Only a complete and utter dickhead would ask a question like that.
Oh wait a minute, you're J. Young. Never mind....
Budikka
Budikka666
Yeah and you're assuming, like the moronic dipshit that you are, that
whoever wrote that isn't a worthless lying piece of shit or a gullible
fool. Show me the scientific evidence that prayer ever did anything,
or that any god ever did anything, and I'll buy into your delusion.
Until then you're a gullible jackass. End of story, case closed.
Budikka
The Chief Instigator
> On Nov 23, 12:31?pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> ? ?Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>
> The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>
> I posted for the LORD to heal kidney dialysis, and someone
> who was on their deathbed from that who was to be unplugged that very
> night was healed.
>
> Are you incredibly stupid, or do you just feel you have to lie a lot in
> front of the whole world?
Considering you just did that when you posted that, why do you think at all?
(Citations with real names and documented instances of your fantasy,
Crapestry, or else you're just another anonymous-coward godsucker.)
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 2, Houston 1 (OT, November 22)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, November 25 at Hamilton, 6:05
last_per...@yahoo.com
> Since there is no evidence for ANY god,
There's plenty of evidence, you just don't see it, tard.
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/atheist.htm
LOL! Look familiar?
last_per...@yahoo.com
> Our concept of morality is not derived from religion. Religious
> morality is merely a codification of a society's values at that time.
> The Bible mentions brutality, slavery, etc, but that was the values
> of that society at that time
You are referring to the O.T. g-d of the ZioNazi, and a ZioNazi
invention for the most part. The ZioNazi g-d told them to kill,
often. ZioNazis still talk to this g-d, it still tells them to kill.
Uncle Vic
> http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-the...
>
> Can there be morality without God?
>
Of course there can, and is. There was morality long before "God" was
invented. Chimps exhibit morality, do they have a "god"?
Whenever you christers insist morality cannot be achieved without
"god", it makes me wonder how you would behave if it were proven there
is no god. <shudder>
--
Uncle Vic
AA#2011
Uncle Vic
Seems to me that you're the advocate of magic here. Pray for your god
to "heal" an amputee. You'll see how futile prayer is.
--
Uncle Vic
AA#2011
last_per...@yahoo.com
> On Nov 23, 9:14 am, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-the...
>
> > Can there be morality without God?
>
> Of course there can, and is. There was morality long before "God" was
> invented. Chimps exhibit morality,
You're gonna hafta do some citing on this one Uncle Dic.
Recent observations show chimps committing murder,
killing other chimps. The animal kingdom is a brutal place
Uncle Dic, kinda like if all you atheist tards were herded into
one room and left unsupervised.
>do they have a "god"?
>
> Whenever you christers insist morality cannot be achieved without
> "god", it makes me wonder how you would behave if it were proven there
> is no god. <shudder>
What happened at T = 0 Uncle Dic?
last_per...@yahoo.com
Society is full of mental dysfunctionals. The drug sellers luuuv 'em.
Uncle Vic
> On Nov 23, 12:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>
> The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
Do YOU have evidence for *any* of the thousands of gods worshiped
around the world? If not, you need to apologize to James and admit
you have lied.
>
> I posted for the LORD to heal kidney dialysis, and someone
> who was on their deathbed from that who was to be unplugged that very
> night was healed.
Dialysis is the method by which the kidneys are flushed. You wanted
your invisible friend to heal the machine?
>
> Are you incredibly stupid,
Funny. And the insane insist they are normal, while insisting the
rest of the world is insane.
--
Uncle Vic
AA#2011
Uncle Vic
> On Nov 23, 1:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Since there is no evidence for ANY god,
>
> There's plenty of evidence, you just don't see it, tard.
Post your evidence, then. Don't just claim you have some. On second
thought, forget it. We've seen your "evidence". Pretty flowers and
chirping birds - although hungry tigers that eat people are somehow
*not* evidence. Impossibly complicated brains and eyeballs...
Personal incredulity seems to be the majority of this evidence.
>
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/atheist.htm
>
> LOL! Look familiar?
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/blowhard.htm
LOL! Look familiar?
--
Uncle Vic
AA#2011
Uncle Vic
> On Nov 23, 4:46 pm, Uncle Vic <vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 9:14 am, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-the...
>
> > > Can there be morality without God?
>
> > Of course there can, and is. There was morality long before "God" was
> > invented. Chimps exhibit morality,
>
> You're gonna hafta do some citing on this one Uncle Dic.
Google is your friend, dolt.
http://tinyurl.com/ydvtf5u
http://www.animalbehavior.org/ABSNews/1174630239/index_html
> Recent observations show chimps committing murder,
> killing other chimps.
Cite please!
> The animal kingdom is a brutal place
> Uncle Dic, kinda like if all you atheist tards were herded into
> one room and left unsupervised.
You're far to insulting to be taken seriously. If all you can resort
to are insults, what kind of opinion do you believe I formulate in my
mind about christians when I read your replies?
<snip>
--
Uncle Vic
AA#2011
Christopher A. Lee
>On Nov 23, 12:31�pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> � �Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>
>The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
Where was the lie, liar?
Christopher A. Lee
They demonstrate they have none with or without their god.
Jimbo
Yes, they do. My uncle has been an atheist for most of his life and
was diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer 15 years ago, after being
diagnosed, his doctor told him he had 6 months to a year to live.
He's 87 this year and still going pretty good. He went into
remission shortly after being diagnosed without treatment.
Shit happens, some folks live, some folks die. There is absolutely no
evidence that people of religion survive any more or less frequently,
or live longer than people without religion.
Jimbo
>
> - Show quoted text -
That would be a sign of your mental retardation.
Christopher A. Lee
<vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
>On Nov 23, 1:40�pm, last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 1:31�pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> > � �Since there is no evidence for ANY god,
>>
>> There's plenty of evidence, you just don't see it, tard.
>
>Post your evidence, then. Don't just claim you have some. On second
>thought, forget it. We've seen your "evidence". Pretty flowers and
>chirping birds - although hungry tigers that eat people are somehow
>*not* evidence. Impossibly complicated brains and eyeballs...
>Personal incredulity seems to be the majority of this evidence.
The moron is too stupid to realise that he has just given yet another
data point for the conclusion that there is none.
And he doesn't even realise this - which is how we know he's a moron.
If there actually were any they would have given it long ago.
last_per...@yahoo.com
> On Nov 23, 1:56 pm, last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 4:46 pm, Uncle Vic <vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 23, 9:14 am, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-the...
>
> > > > Can there be morality without God?
>
> > > Of course there can, and is. There was morality long before "God" was
> > > invented. Chimps exhibit morality,
>
> > You're gonna hafta do some citing on this one Uncle Dic.
>
> Google is your friend, dolt.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ydvtf5u
Tard, can't you read? The very title of this piece is
a question. Nothing in the way of even good evidence
of morality. Article likely written by an atheist tard.
>http://www.animalbehavior.org/ABSNews/1174630239/index_html
Same meaningless atheist tard tripe. No facts, just examples of
instinct. Mother grizzlies seem "moral" and loving with their cubs;
until they decided to kill and eat them, which happens sometimes.
Sledge dogs that have to be killed and used as food for the stronger
dogs are never mourned by the other dogs. They eat 'em up like
catfish, tard. Any sledger will tell you this.
> > Recent observations show chimps committing murder,
> > killing other chimps.
>
> Cite please!
Here's one, easily googled, tard:
http://www.livescience.com/animals/070514_femchimp_killers.html
Female Chimps Kill Infants
By Charles Q. Choi, Special to LiveScience
The killing of infant wild chimpanzees by female adults of their own
kind may be more common than was thought.
What drives these mysterious infanticides by females is not yet clear,
but scientists currently speculate that clashes over stomping grounds
might fuel these conflicts and that human encroachment on chimpanzee
territory might exacerbate the situations.
Male chimpanzees are well known for violence, including the killing of
young. Female chimps, on the other hand, "have for a long time been
regarded as the less aggressive sex," said comparative psychologist
Simon Townsend at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.
Primatologist Jane Goodall found an infamous exception to this notion
of passive females in 1976 with what she dubbed a "barbarous murder"
by chimpanzees named Passion and Pom. This cannibalistic mother-
daughter duo together killed and ate at least three chimp infants at
Gombe Park in Tanzania, with Goodall herself intervening once to
prevent another death by shouting and throwing sticks and stones.
Still, in the absence of any other significant evidence for similar
killings, researchers speculated the Passion and Pom killings might
possibly have been isolated deviant behavior.
New fieldwork has now revealed three more infanticidal attacks by
females in the Sonso chimpanzee community in Budongo Forest in Uganda,
hinting such "lethal aggression may not be anomalous behavior,"
Townsend told LiveScience.
Alerted to the killings by sounds of chimpanzee screams, last year
Townsend and his colleagues directly witnessed one infanticide, where
a bleeding mother with a one-week-old child in tow was pursued by six
females, five of which had clinging infants themselves. After a 10-
minute struggle, the infant was taken and killed with a bite.
The scientists also found strong circumstantial evidence for two other
infanticides. These also involved significant bites to the head,
indicating these were intentional and not accidental killings,
findings detailed in the May 15 issue of the journal Current Biology.
In at least one case, adult males tried to prevent infanticide, with
one unsuccessfully attempting to pull apart fighting females. The
researchers suspect the males might have had sex with attacked females
in the past, "which explains why they attempted to intervene,"
Townsend said.
Townsend and his colleagues speculate an unusual influx of females
into the Sonso chimp community in the past five years might have
precipitated this deadly aggression, as females competed for limited
foraging areas. Like the Passion and Pom infanticides, two of these
killings were perpetrated by coalitions of females deliberately
targeting infants, likely because it is difficult for a lone female to
overpower a mother and attack her infant.
The most likely explanation for the surge of immigrant female chimps
the researchers saw was the dissolution of a neighboring community
after the death of adult males.
"Males could be killed in inter-community conflicts, or through
disease, or potentially through human encroachment, but we do not know
which of these factors, if any, is the most plausible," Townsend said.
Boston University biological anthropologist Martin Muller, who did not
participate in this study, said that "it does seem likely that as
humans further encroach on chimpanzee populations we can expect to see
more of this kind of aggression, as competition for resources
increases among the chimpanzees."
Townsend noted, "We were obviously initially shocked by the level of
aggression demonstrated by the females. However we also felt
privileged to see such a rare event because of the important
implications it has." In terms of what scientists might salvage from
such violence, he added, "Any observations which further our knowledge
of chimpanzee behavior should prove useful in the long-term
conservation of this species."
last_per...@yahoo.com
> On Nov 23, 1:40 pm, last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 1:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > Since there is no evidence for ANY god,
>
> > There's plenty of evidence, you just don't see it, tard.
>
> Post your evidence, then.
Would I try to explain a Mozart concerto to a moth, tard?
> >http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/atheist.htm
>
> > LOL! Look familiar?
>
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/blowhard.htm
>
> LOL! Look familiar?
Not to me tard, let's see. Description:
"Blowhard feels the need to present his credentials before entering
the fray - even if they are irrelevant to the discussion. For example,
in a movie forum conflict he might attempt to settle the matter by
saying, "As a Ph. D. candidate in particle physics I believe I can say
with some authority that the 'Beavis and Butthead' movie represents
the emergence of a new cultural paradigm." Huh?"
Only problem Uncle DicTard is that this is completely irrelevant. I
haven't presented any credentials tard,
just kicked a few atheist tards around. Always fun.
last_per...@yahoo.com
And if Prisstopher LeeTard ever had an adequate neural network, she
would've risen above a career as a.a. tard and atheist dumb kunt.
William Smith
> http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-there-be-morality-without-god-13/
>
>
> Can there be morality without God?
>
The answer is yes, and the posting does not suggest anything to the
contrary. The poster can cut and paste but does not bother reading.
bam
"J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-there-be-morality-without-god-13/
>
>
> Can there be morality without God?
Atheist will say "Of course there is!", but they forget where the
deracinated principles they adhere to came from. This is a source of
bitterness to them, because they had hoped to free themselves of "Christian"
morality by becoming atheists, but then had to prove they were "better" than
Christians. So they haven't really freed themselves from morality at all,
and since they are incapable of formulating a "code of conduct" for their
brave new world, they imitate Christians in a limited way, but even fail at
that, and then curse Christianity even more, because they can't even live up
to their watered down principles. Why don't they just admit that if life is
short and empty in the long run, that morality is a fool's aim, and just
start acting like real atheists?
BAM
Free Lunch
wrote in alt.atheism:
You are truly a vile, hate-filled pathetic excuse for a human being. It
takes a disgusting piece of filth to tell lies like that and then try to
hide your hatred behind God.
I guess you never read the Bible, because you would have realized that
there is no morality from God, either. I guess you are just condemned to
spread your pathetic immoral doctrines for the rest of your life.
bam
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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Bingo!!
Have a good evening!!
BAM
Jimbo
> "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3ab5fb....@news.alt.net...
>
> >http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-the...
>
> > Can there be morality without God?
>
> Atheist will say "Of course there is!", but they forget where the
> deracinated principles they adhere to came from. This is a source of
> bitterness to them, because they had hoped to free themselves of "Christian"
> morality
LOL! You're such a crackpot. I am free of christer morality, in fact,
the average atheist is just as moral as the average christer.
Smiler
Thanks for admitting that you have no evidence for the existence of any god.
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
Smiler
> On Nov 23, 1:42 pm, VoiceOfReason <papa_...@cybertown.com> wrote:
>> Our concept of morality is not derived from religion. Religious
>> morality is merely a codification of a society's values at that time.
>> of that society at that time
>
> You are referring to the O.T. g-d of the ZioNazi, and a ZioNazi
> invention for the most part. The ZioNazi g-d told them to kill,
> often. ZioNazis still talk to this g-d, it still tells them to kill.
So your fictional Jesus character wasn't a part of or a son of that god?
Uncle Vic
>
> "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
> news:3ab5fb....@news.alt.net...
>> http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-ther
>> e-be-morality-without-god-13/
>>
>>
>> Can there be morality without God?
>
> Atheist will say "Of course there is!", but they forget where the
> deracinated principles they adhere to came from.
Actually, anyone who can read a peer-reviewed science journal knows that
rudimentary societal morality is exhibited by the same primates we share a
common ancestor with.
> This is a source of
> bitterness to them
Yeah, in your dreams, godbot.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Christians are like Slinkys. They're boring, but they'll put a smile on
your face when you push them down the stairs.
Masked Avenger
On 24-Nov-2009, last_per...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > � �Since there is no evidence for ANY god,
> >
> > > There's plenty of evidence, you just don't see it, tard.
> >
> > Post your evidence, then.
>
> Would I try to explain a Mozart concerto to a moth, tard?
piss poor evasion ....... the cowards excuse .......... I'll take that as
an admission you have no evidence then ...........
my guess is that you either don't have any .... or are too shit scared to
post what you 'claim' is the evidence ........
somehow claiming that you are not a blowhard but just happen to be mentally
superior to everyone else .......... seems a tad hypocritical .......
--
MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity .............
and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
- A. Einstein
Does Schr�dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
last_per...@yahoo.com
> last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Nov 23, 1:42 pm, VoiceOfReason <papa_...@cybertown.com> wrote:
> >> Our concept of morality is not derived from religion. Religious
> >> morality is merely a codification of a society's values at that time.
> >> The? Bible mentions brutality, slavery, etc, but that was the values
> >> of that society at that time
>
> > You are referring to the O.T. g-d of the ZioNazi, and a ZioNazi
> > invention for the most part. The ZioNazi g-d told them to kill,
> > often. ZioNazis still talk to this g-d, it still tells them to kill.
>
> So your fictional Jesus character wasn't a part of or a son of that god?
Correct, tard. Hence the great divide that developed between J.C.
and the ZioNazi.
duke
wrote:
>J <Jvis...@live.com> wrote:
>> http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-there-be-morality-without-god-13/
>>
>>
>> Can there be morality without God?
>>
>
>a) Which "god"? There are lot's to chose from.
Nope, only one.
>b) As gods do not exist, obviously there is "morality without God".
All love comes form God. All hate comes from satan.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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last_per...@yahoo.com
> One fine day in alt.atheism, "bam" <blahblahb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote in message
> >news:3ab5fb....@news.alt.net...
> >>http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-ther
> >> e-be-morality-without-god-13/
>
> >> Can there be morality without God?
>
> > Atheist will say "Of course there is!", but they forget where the
> > deracinated principles they adhere to came from.
>
> Actually, anyone who can read a peer-reviewed science journal knows that
> rudimentary societal morality is exhibited by the same primates we share a
> common ancestor with.
Notice lack of cite by Uncle Dic.
Uncle Dic's earlier claim of this debunked by me in this thread, and
ignored
by Uncle Dic. This is why you're known as a tard Uncle Dic.
VoiceOfReason
> On Nov 23, 1:42 pm, VoiceOfReason <papa_...@cybertown.com> wrote:
>
> > Our concept of morality is not derived from religion. Religious
> > morality is merely a codification of a society's values at that time.
> > of that society at that time
>
> You are referring to the O.T. g-d of the ZioNazi, and a ZioNazi
> invention for the most part. The ZioNazi g-d told them to kill,
> often. ZioNazis still talk to this g-d, it still tells them to kill.
News flash -- the Old Testament God is the same guy as the New
Testament God.
VoiceOfReason
What bizarre cult do you belong to?
VoiceOfReason
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:16:40 -0000, Nomen Publicus <zzas...@buffy.sighup.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-the...
>
>
> >a) Which "god"? There are lot's to chose from.
>
> Nope, only one.
>
> >b) As gods do not exist, obviously there is "morality without God".
>
> All love comes form God. All hate comes from satan.
So that means that a LOT of the more vocal Christians in the world are
actually Satanists.
last_per...@yahoo.com
J.C. didn't think much of the "Chosen" at the end. News Flash:
atheist tards and confusion, always a problem.
last_per...@yahoo.com
Immensely brain-dead response, even for a tard.
Are you saying there was no divide between the two?
Amuse me further, tard. Atheist tards are sometimes
funnier than watching a jackass eating figs off the tree.
John Manning
"Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so
many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."
~~ Mahatma Ghandi
"The most heinous and the most cruel crimes of which history has record
have been committed under the cover of religion or equally noble motives."
~~ Mahatma Ghandi
Great Dayne
> On Nov 23, 1:50 pm, Great Dayne <ihavethecode...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 1:37 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 23, 1:33 pm, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > > > Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>
> > > > The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>
> > > > I posted for the LORD to heal kidney dialysis, and someone
> > > > who was on their deathbed from that who was to be unplugged that very
> > > > night was healed.
>
> > > That doesn't prove that a god existed, that either means that the
> > > person recovered, as many, many people do
>
> > Yeah they just magically recovered from an incurable sickness that
> > very night they were to die.
>
> whoever wrote that isn't a worthless lying piece of shit or a gullible
> fool. Show me the scientific evidence that prayer ever did anything,
> or that any god ever did anything, and I'll buy into your delusion.
> Until then you're a gullible jackass. End of story, case closed.
>
> Budikka- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wow, the rollock posting under a nym that has 666.
Great Dayne
> On Nov 23, 11:50 am, Great Dayne <ihavethecode...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 1:37 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 23, 1:33 pm, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 23, 12:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>
> > > > The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>
> > > > I posted for the LORD to heal kidney dialysis, and someone
> > > > who was on their deathbed from that who was to be unplugged that very
> > > > night was healed.
>
> > > That doesn't prove that a god existed, that either means that the
> > > person recovered, as many, many people do
>
> > Yeah they just magically recovered from an incurable sickness that
> > very night they were to die.
>
I have never advocated magic.
That is something you just made up.
Great Dayne
> On Nov 23, 10:33 am, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 12:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>
> > The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>
> around the world?
Unfortunately, those "gods" seem quite limited to me, as they
don't do anything at all.
My GOD has done thousands of things during this case, and
it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD, when
there are thousands of things he has done during this case.
It is dishonest to type in here otherwise, you lying disgusting
worthless pieces
of shit!
Olrik
> On Nov 23, 4:02 pm, Uncle Vic <vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 10:33 am, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 12:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>>> The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>> Do YOU have evidence for *any* of the thousands of gods worshiped
>> around the world?
>
> Unfortunately, those "gods" seem quite limited to me, as they
> don't do anything at all.
Baseless assertion.
> My GOD has done thousands of things during this case,
Which case would that be? The only case I see here is you, a basket case.
> and it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD, when
> there are thousands of things he has done during this case.
Which case?
> It is dishonest to type in here otherwise, you lying disgusting
> worthless pieces
> of shit!
I don't believe anything you write.
Great Dayne
believe this.
atheism is illegal in america.
you are in violation.
the penalty is capital punishment.
Olrik
> On Nov 24, 9:30 am, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Great Dayne wrote:
>>> On Nov 23, 4:02 pm, Uncle Vic <vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 23, 10:33 am, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 23, 12:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>>>>> The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>>>> Do YOU have evidence for *any* of the thousands of gods worshiped
>>>> around the world?
>>> Unfortunately, those "gods" seem quite limited to me, as they
>>> don't do anything at all.
>> Baseless assertion.
>>
>>> My GOD has done thousands of things during this case,
>> Which case would that be? The only case I see here is you, a basket case.
>>
>>> and it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD, when
>>> there are thousands of things he has done during this case.
>> Which case?
>>
>>> It is dishonest to type in here otherwise, you lying disgusting
>>> worthless pieces
>>> of shit!
>> I don't believe anything you write.
>
> believe this.
Who the fuck are you?
> atheism is illegal in america.
1- It's not.
2- I'm not an american.
> you are in violation.
Who the fuck are you again?
> the penalty is capital punishment.
BWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!
What a marvelous twit you are, kid!
fla...@verizon.net
Ok, if you are so truthful, show the "thousands of things"
your god has done "during this case (whatever that means)"
and be prepared to prove them.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 24-Nov-2009, Great Dayne <ihaveth...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, those "gods" seem quite limited to me, as they
> > > don't do anything at all.
> >
> > Baseless assertion.
> >
> > > My GOD has done thousands of things during this case,
> >
> > Which case would that be? The only case I see here is you, a basket
> > case.
> >
> > > and it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD,
> > > when
> > > there are thousands of things he has done during this case.
> >
> > Which case?
> >
> > > It is dishonest to type in here otherwise, you lying disgusting
> > > worthless pieces
> > > of shit!
> >
> > I don't believe anything you write.
>
> believe this.
> atheism is illegal in america.
> you are in violation.
> the penalty is capital punishment.
Oh, I'm sorry - I didn't realize you were mentally ill.
Please, take your medication & get some rest.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 24-Nov-2009, VoiceOfReason <papa...@cybertown.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 4:42 pm, last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Nov 23, 1:42 pm, VoiceOfReason <papa_...@cybertown.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Our concept of morality is not derived from religion. Religious
> > > morality is merely a codification of a society's values at that time.
> > > The Bible mentions brutality, slavery, etc, but that was the values
> > > of that society at that time
> >
> > You are referring to the O.T. g-d of the ZioNazi, and a ZioNazi
> > invention for the most part. The ZioNazi g-d told them to kill,
> > often. ZioNazis still talk to this g-d, it still tells them to kill.
>
Nice of the bigot to *prove* just how stupid a liar he is.
> News flash -- the Old Testament God is the same guy as the New
> Testament God.
Uh, no - definitely not.
The Xians wanted everyone to think so, & they
sure promoted it as such, but no - definitely not.
Neither from a religious or secular viewpoint.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 24-Nov-2009, VoiceOfReason <papa...@cybertown.com> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 7:12�am, last_permutat...@yahoo.com wrote:
> What bizarre cult do you belong to?
Bigotry - it's obvious from his posts.
Susan
Dan Listermann
"Great Dayne" <ihaveth...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1808f187-fb03-4905...@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 23, 4:02 pm, Uncle Vic <vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 10:33 am, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 12:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>
> > The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>
> Do YOU have evidence for *any* of the thousands of gods worshiped
> around the world?
"Unfortunately, those "gods" seem quite limited to me, as they
don't do anything at all.
My GOD has done thousands of things during this case, and
it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD, when
there are thousands of things he has done during this case."
And you are perfectly within your rights to buy that load.
"It is dishonest to type in here otherwise, you lying disgusting
worthless pieces
of shit!"
Nice insult, your deity inspire it?
Puck Greenman
>On Nov 23, 4:02�pm, Uncle Vic <vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 10:33�am, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 23, 12:31�pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > � �Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>>
>> > The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>>
>> Do YOU have evidence for *any* of the thousands of gods worshiped
>> around the world?
>
>Unfortunately, those "gods" seem quite limited to me, as they
>don't do anything at all.
So how are they different to your god, then?
>My GOD has done thousands of things during this case, and
>it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD,
So produce it, and prove us all liars.
Dan Listermann
"Puck Greenman" <dubh_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p71og59o52lbld392...@4ax.com...
The Master
> Can there be morality without God?
What an interesting question... It's a shame I wasn't able to chime in
way at the start of this argument/debate. See, this is the type of stuff
that really interests me...
Anyhow, I believe that there can be no morality WITH God. That is, under
a theist system, with a divine deity that you must gain approval of to
reach everlasting rewards, "moral behavior" is based not on what is good
and correct, but what points one can rack up. Actions are not based on
absolute justice, but on religious teachings that are followed with the
explicit intention of going to heaven, summerland, or whatever the "happy
place" happens to be for that specific system.
But even that has problems, since religious teachings are based on the
teachings of humans rather then any conversations with the actual divine.
Theological morality is based on the political whims of people who died
hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago. These teachings, assumed
correct and moral, are then build upon by new teachers, and assumed to be
the work of God. Disobeying these moral codes, created by people, are
followed for fear of everlasting torture, even though God had nothing to
do with them.
True "moral" behavior can only be conducted as an atheist, who first asks
the question "what if someone else did it to me?" You only have one shot
at it, and then "poof", no more person. Would you want to be robed,
stolen from, stabed with a knife, raped, or murdered? If not, then the
only "moral" action would be to not subject others to the actions that you
yourself would not want to be subjected to.
True "moral" behavior is independent of what actions are technically legal
or illegal, and religion clouds the question with nonsense like
everlasting life and faith based forgiveness.
Great Dayne
> >My GOD has done thousands of things during this case, and
> >it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD,
>
> So produce it, and prove us all liars.
Take me off you illegal torture surveillance and I will show you.
Just James
She is some sort of Mormon variant.
--
Just James
"Not everyone requires a rational explanation before they can believe
something. It's called faith." ~ Zootal (ARM 10/20/2009)
Priceless
Tapestry
> > What bizarre cult do you belong to?
>
> She is some sort of Mormon variant.
IT IS JUST AN OFFSHOOT OF JUDAISM.
fla...@verizon.net
Sortof.
In that it's pretty much the opposite in many respects....
Susan
last_per...@yahoo.com
> >it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD,
>
> So produce it, and prove us all liars.
The endless mantra of the atheist tard.
Atheist tards, being the dendrite challenged waifs they are,
need simple things as 'evidence' like CNN film of the
big towering mansion on top of Everest, with the
Big Guy inside.
Ever wonder why your extended group always includes
the other dregs, misfits, and kornholes of society, tards?
jos boersema
I think so, it is either a matter of finding it or creating it:
http://www.socialism.nl/~joshb/technical_darwinism.html
That is a scientific/biological proof of both the biological
evolution of 'evil,' and the natural evolution of the victory of
'good,' and the biological expectation of the end of 'evil.'
Biological as in laws of natural evolution.
Another method is socially creating it as in a form of a social
contract ''I will not rip out your throat, if you will not break
my legs.'' And ''My brother will not eat your brain, if you will
not hack off my hands.'' It's a start for a morality based on
mutual agreement.
I've also noticed the possibility of using the 'philosophical
viewpoint of a creator God' as a tool for finding morality; so
that is not an actual living God but the thought of such a viewpoint
to compute moral logic from: try to put yourselve in the viewpoint
as if you had created all creatures. You (hypothetically) created
them and you cause them to persist, you could destroy them but you
don't. After all, we are here, the proof of that occuring - the world.
This must mean you like your creatures to be there, and you being
their creator you want them to be happy, not to suffer. Like a father
and his much loved children. If one of the children hurts the other,
even though you are the creator of the perpetrator too and therefore
love that creature too, you could still be upset because that other
creatures was being hurt. The philosophical creator viewpoint can
be used to create moral laws, without there necessarily needing
to be an actual divine intervention or even being such a creator god.
The only thing that might be missing from that is the inclination
to follow through on the found morality. Because why would you then
follow the rules found from that method ? Hence this latest method
may not actually be that useful, although you could perhaps use it
to create precision for a social contract form of morality. That
would then quite easily become a legal system where crime is being
punished and good deeds rewarded (?).
The Master
>>> it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD,
>>
>> So produce it, and prove us all liars.
>
> The endless mantra of the atheist tard.
>
> Atheist tards, being the dendrite challenged waifs they are,
> need simple things as 'evidence' like CNN film of the
> big towering mansion on top of Everest, with the
> Big Guy inside.
As opposed to Christians, who believe in the exsitance of a magic sky man
because mommy told them he is real. Ofcourse, the Christian was told that
the Easter Bunny and Santa were real also, but for some reason lack the
critical thinking skills required to see the joke.
A Christian who's life is in the gutter, will pray to God. That act is
the first in a long series of concious decisions that are now made as the
person relies upon themself to turn their life around. Once they are
satisfied, they thank God for helping them, and offer the turn around as
proof of God's existance. All it really does is prove the "magic" of
intentional choices, and their affect. God is a theological sugar pill.
> Ever wonder why your extended group always includes
> the other dregs, misfits, and kornholes of society, tards?
I'm more curious about why many Christians, who believe their God is all
love and understanding, are very vile people. You can always tell the
quality of a religion by the quality of people it attracts.
Jimbo
> On Nov 23, 4:02 pm, Uncle Vic <vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 10:33 am, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 23, 12:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>
> > > The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>
> > Do YOU have evidence for *any* of the thousands of gods worshiped
> > around the world?
>
> Unfortunately, those "gods" seem quite limited to me,
That's not what he asked you, moron.
Jimbo
LOL! You're another christer crackpot.
last_per...@yahoo.com
wrote:
l_p belongs to no church. They are filled with people not much higher
on the food chain than atheist tards. l_p's beliefs are based on
logic, which makes no sense to tards of all stripes.
Syd M.
Tapestry
It is you're, a contraction of you are.
Tapestry
Are you atheists now going to produce evidence for the thousands of
false gods then?
Jimbo
>
Why would the burden of providing evidence for any god be atheist's?
I think you guys have been smoking a whole lot of bad shit.-
Can you produce evidence for even one god?
Picasso Renoir Hilton
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sure.
One more item, I see jesus on his white horse every night in
the sky above as promised.
Just James
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, last_per...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>>> it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD,
>>>
>>> So produce it, and prove us all liars.
>>
>> The endless mantra of the atheist tard.
>>
>> Atheist tards, being the dendrite challenged waifs they are,
>> need simple things as 'evidence' like CNN film of the
>> big towering mansion on top of Everest, with the
>> Big Guy inside.
>
> As opposed to Christians, who believe in the exsitance of a magic sky
> man because mommy told them he is real. Ofcourse, the Christian was
> told that the Easter Bunny and Santa were real also, but for some reason
> lack the critical thinking skills required to see the joke.
>
> A Christian who's life is in the gutter, will pray to God. That act is
> the first in a long series of concious decisions that are now made as
> the person relies upon themself to turn their life around. Once they
> are satisfied, they thank God for helping them, and offer the turn
> around as proof of God's existance. All it really does is prove the
> "magic" of intentional choices, and their affect. God is a theological
> sugar pill.
That is the one that still gets me. A person looses their job and they
pray that god will help them find a new one. Why not get pissed that me
had you let go to begin with? Or you stranded in the woods and pray to
be found. Why not curse god for letting you get lost?
Worst of all are those that suffer immensely or loose a limb and praise
their deity for allowing them to live. Geez. Its like the abused being
thankful the abuser taught them a lesson.
Just James
That's the moon dingdong.
duke
wrote:
>On Nov 24, 7:41�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:16:40 -0000, Nomen Publicus <zzas...@buffy.sighup.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>> >>http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/11/can-the...
>>
>> >> Can there be morality without God?
>>
>> >a) Which "god"? There are lot's to chose from.
>>
>> Nope, only one.
>>
>> >b) As gods do not exist, obviously there is "morality without God".
>>
>> All love comes form God. �All hate comes from satan.
>So that means that a LOT of the more vocal Christians in the world are
>actually Satanists.
No, atheists are clearly the people of hate. Thank God you're outnumbers 25:1 -
theist vs atheist.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
The Master
> That is the one that still gets me. A person looses their job and they pray
> that god will help them find a new one. Why not get pissed that me had you
> let go to begin with? Or you stranded in the woods and pray to be found.
> Why not curse god for letting you get lost?
LOL!
At the end of a boxing match, the winner always thanks God, the loser
always says that they should have trained harder. Why not the loser say
"I was doing fine until God started helping him out in the 4th round"?
The Master
> No, atheists are clearly the people of hate.
Protestant Christians are among the most disgusting and hate filled people
on Earth.
The Chief Instigator
> On Nov 24, 9:30?am, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Great Dayne wrote:
>> > On Nov 23, 4:02 pm, Uncle Vic <vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
>> >> On Nov 23, 10:33 am, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Nov 23, 12:31 pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>> The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>> >> Do YOU have evidence for *any* of the thousands of gods worshiped
>> >> around the world?
>>
>> > don't do anything at all.
>>
>> Baseless assertion.
>>
>> > My GOD has done thousands of things during this case,
>>
>> Which case would that be? The only case I see here is you, a basket case.
>>
>> > and it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD, when
>> > there are thousands of things he has done during this case.
>>
>> Which case?
>>
>> > It is dishonest to type in here otherwise, you lying disgusting
>> > worthless pieces
>> > of shit!
>>
>> I don't believe anything you write.
>
> believe this.
> atheism is illegal in america.
> you are in violation.
> the penalty is capital punishment.
Enjoy your fantasy, as it doesn't exist outside the toxic dump between your
ears. (I've been through your metro a few times over the last twenty years,
going to/from my in-laws.)
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 2, Houston 1 (OT, November 22)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, November 25 at Hamilton, 6:05
The Chief Instigator
> On Nov 23, 2:31?pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 1:50?pm, Great Dayne <ihavethecode...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 23, 1:37?pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Nov 23, 1:33?pm, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Nov 23, 12:31?pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > ? ?Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>>
>> > > > The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>>
>> > > > who was on their deathbed from that who was to be unplugged that very
>> > > > night was healed.
>>
>> > > That doesn't prove that a god existed, that either means that the
>> > > person recovered, as many, many people do
>>
>> > Yeah they just magically recovered from an incurable sickness that
>> > very night they were to die.
>>
>> Yeah and you're assuming, like the moronic dipshit that you are, that
>> whoever wrote that isn't a worthless lying piece of shit or a gullible
>> fool. ?Show me the scientific evidence that prayer ever did anything,
>> or that any god ever did anything, and I'll buy into your delusion.
>> Until then you're a gullible jackass. ?End of story, case closed.
>>
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>
Clueless wonder you are, consider this: in this city, there are 30,000
phone numbers whose middle three digits are "666"...and at least two of them
are owned by churches. (One of them is a Catholic church.)
The Chief Instigator
> On Nov 23, 4:02?pm, Uncle Vic <vic...@inreach.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 10:33?am, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 23, 12:31?pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > ? ?Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>>
>> > The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
>>
>> around the world?
>
> Unfortunately, those "gods" seem quite limited to me, as they
> don't do anything at all.
> it is an absolute lie to claim that there is no evidence for GOD, when
> there are thousands of things he has done during this case.
>
> pieces of shit!
...says the lazy-ass godbot who refuses to prove his whinings, and is far
too full of his ego to consider the possibility that he knows not what he's
doing.
Smiler
The word 'Protestant' is superfluous. Puke claims to be a Catholic.
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The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
The Master
>>> No, atheists are clearly the people of hate.
>>
>> Protestant Christians are among the most disgusting and hate filled
>> people on Earth.
>
> The word 'Protestant' is superfluous. Puke claims to be a Catholic.
Well now, that IS interesting... Most Baptists are many times worse then
what the Catholic church has been able to create of late, IMHO. Would
this be the result of an intentional promotion of dickheadedness by the
Catholics, or just a fluke?
Jimbo
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's evidence of delusion, not God's existence.
The Master
> One more item, I see jesus on his white horse every night in
> the sky above as promised.- Hide quoted text -
I've experienced heaven before. But then she wanted an extra $50 to
continue...
Christopher A. Lee
<estr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 23, 12:31�pm, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> � �Since there is no evidence for ANY god
>
>The question here is why do you feel you have to lie?
The question here is why YOU feel the need to lie, because there is
none.
>I posted for the LORD to heal kidney dialysis, and someone
>who was on their deathbed from that who was to be unplugged that very
>night was healed.
What a fucking moron.
>Are you incredibly stupid, or do you just feel you have to lie a lot
>in front of the whole world?
Are you incredibly stupid, or do you just feel you have to lie a lot
in front of the whole world?
bam
"The Master" <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.64.09...@sdf.lonestar.org...
As the nun put it:
Jewish is American Graffitti;
Catholic is Happy Days;
Protestant is Joanie Loves Chachi.
BAM
The Master
>> I posted for the LORD to heal kidney dialysis, and someone
>> who was on their deathbed from that who was to be unplugged that very
>> night was healed.
>
> What a fucking moron.
I'm an internet preacher, with the power to heal, and I can prove it!
Everyone, place your hands on your monitor... I can feel, sense you all.
You are now healed from the brain tumors that none of you even knew you
had.
Now, go to the Doctor, and have your head scanned for tumors. None will
be found.
I am so powerful, God loves you all, I accept Visa and Mastercard.
</scarcasm>
Brian E. Clark
ccccca...@m11g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
ihaveth...@aol.com says...
> > I don't believe anything you write.
>
> believe this.
> atheism is illegal in america.
> you are in violation.
> the penalty is capital punishment.
As is usual for a hyper-religionist, you have a hard time
distinguishing reality from wish fulfillment.
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Brian E. Clark