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nora gayle rivkis  
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 More options Oct 20 1991, 3:25 am
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From: r...@ellis.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Date: 20 Oct 91 05:55:36 GMT
Local: Sun, Oct 20 1991 1:55 am
Subject: fiction suggestions, please?
I'm looking for good, English-language fiction that's set
in Israel or on Israeli themes. Any suggestions? I'm not
looking especially for ancient kingdom stuff, although if
you have something really spectacular, let me know anyway;
otherwise, it's the modern country I'm interested in. Please,
so other people don't get mad at me, answer by e-mail in-
stead of posting; the crossposts are going to get too weird
otherwise. My e-mail address is: r...@quads.uchicago.edu. I
don't think it's the same one as the 'r' command will give
you; be forewarned.

Thanks, everyone!

        -Nora Rivkis


 
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John McCarthy  
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 More options Oct 22 1991, 5:05 am
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From: j...@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Date: 21 Oct 91 15:17:09 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 21 1991 11:17 am
Subject: Re: fiction suggestions, please?
Amos Oz is about the most famous present Israeli writer.
Try _A Perfect Peace_.
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Tim Bray  
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 More options Oct 22 1991, 5:37 am
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From: tb...@watsol.waterloo.edu (Tim Bray)
Date: 21 Oct 91 20:58:25 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 21 1991 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: fiction suggestions, please?
r...@ellis.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:

>I'm looking for good, English-language fiction that's set
>in Israel or on Israeli themes. Any suggestions?

  Are works in translation acceptable?  If so, there's one really safe bet,
  with long-term staying power, good narrative flow, and a really interesting
  cast of characters.  First-class writing throughout.  Starts strong, too:
  "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth..."

  Cheers, Tim Bray, Open Text Systems


 
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James Davis Nicoll  
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 More options Oct 22 1991, 6:00 am
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From: jdnic...@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Date: 21 Oct 91 21:25:53 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 21 1991 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: fiction suggestions, please?

In article <1991Oct21.205825.7...@watdragon.waterloo.edu> tb...@watsol.waterloo.edu (Tim Bray) writes:
>r...@ellis.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:
>>I'm looking for good, English-language fiction that's set
>>in Israel or on Israeli themes. Any suggestions?

>  Are works in translation acceptable?  If so, there's one really safe bet,
>  with long-term staying power, good narrative flow, and a really interesting
>  cast of characters.  First-class writing throughout.  Starts strong, too:
>  "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth..."

        Which translation?

        I found that the two sections went together poorly. I
enjoyed the first section more, despite the apparent lack of
plot, since the activities of one obscure rabble-rouser was
not, to me, as interesting as an account of the real movers & shakers
in Roman-occupied Judea would have been. That's not a valid
complaint, I know (That an author chose not to write a book).

        I couldn't find fault with the Romans. 'Render unto Caesar
what is Caesar's' sounds like a typical leftist call for violence.

        Is this one of the first 'shared world' anthologies?
When is the third section due? Revelations was pretty clearly
an excuse for a sequel, even if it did claim there wouldn't
be one.

        On the whole, I prefer the version without the later
book pasted on.

                                                James Nicoll


 
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Jonathan B. Horen  
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 More options Oct 22 1991, 6:21 am
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From: ho...@taipei.rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen)
Date: 21 Oct 91 22:22:24 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 21 1991 6:22 pm
Subject: Re: fiction suggestions, please?
In article 9...@watdragon.waterloo.edu, jdnic...@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll writes:

Yeah, I'm usually that way about sequels, too.

Seriously, though. Here are some selections:

        "Mila 18"             Leon Uris
        "Exodus"              Leon Uris
        "The Source"          James A. Michener
        "Cast A Giant Shadow" Edna Ferber (?)
        "Rambo IV"            (couldn't resist :->)

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Paul Ward  
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 More options Oct 22 1991, 6:52 am
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From: w...@vlsi.waterloo.edu (Paul Ward)
Date: 22 Oct 91 01:50:35 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 21 1991 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: fiction suggestions, please?

In article <1991Oct21.205825.7...@watdragon.waterloo.edu> tb...@watsol.waterloo.edu (Tim Bray) writes:
>r...@ellis.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:
>>I'm looking for good, English-language fiction that's set
>>in Israel or on Israeli themes. Any suggestions?

>  Are works in translation acceptable?  If so, there's one really safe bet,
>  with long-term staying power, good narrative flow, and a really interesting
>  cast of characters.  First-class writing throughout.  Starts strong, too:
>  "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth..."

>  Cheers, Tim Bray, Open Text Systems

Nice suggestion, but Nora was looking for fiction, and what you're
suggesting is definitely non-fiction.

Paul Ward
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Stephen P. Guthrie  
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 More options Oct 22 1991, 6:57 am
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From: s...@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie)
Date: 21 Oct 91 23:23:24 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 21 1991 7:23 pm
Subject: Re: fiction suggestions, please?

In article <JMC.91Oct21161...@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> j...@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>Amos Oz is about the most famous present Israeli writer.
>Try _A Perfect Peace_.
>--

Also A.B.Yehoshua, a brilliant Isreali writer with shades of Faulkner.

 
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nora gayle rivkis  
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 More options Oct 22 1991, 7:28 am
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From: r...@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Date: 22 Oct 91 00:29:09 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 21 1991 8:29 pm
Subject: Re: fiction suggestions, please?

In article <1991Oct21.205825.7...@watdragon.waterloo.edu> tb...@watsol.waterloo.edu (Tim Bray) writes:
>r...@ellis.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:
>>I'm looking for good, English-language fiction that's set
>>in Israel or on Israeli themes. Any suggestions?

>  Are works in translation acceptable?  If so, there's one really safe bet,
>  with long-term staying power, good narrative flow, and a really interesting
>  cast of characters.  First-class writing throughout.  Starts strong, too:
>  "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth..."

>  Cheers, Tim Bray, Open Text Systems

I said I preferred things set in the modern state. And if you don't
get flamed for calling it fiction, I'll be rather surprised. But a
nice comment.

        -Nora RIvkis


 
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Discussion subject changed to "fiction suggestions, please? (Israeli themes)" by William Smith
William Smith  
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 More options Oct 24 1991, 5:27 am
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From: willi...@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (William Smith)
Date: 23 Oct 91 15:25:27 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 1991 11:25 am
Subject: Re: fiction suggestions, please? (Israeli themes)
nora gayle rivkis writes:

        >I'm looking for good, English-language fiction that's set
        >in Israel or on Israeli themes. Any suggestions?

Would Leon Uris' "Exodus" be too obvious?

William Smith
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Joann Zimmerman  
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 More options Oct 24 1991, 3:14 pm
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From: jz...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman)
Date: 24 Oct 91 17:46:28 GMT
Local: Thurs, Oct 24 1991 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: fiction suggestions, please? (Israeli themes)

In article <11...@pogo.WV.TEK.COM> willi...@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (William Smith) writes:
>nora gayle rivkis writes:
>    >I'm looking for good, English-language fiction that's set

                         ^^^^

>    >in Israel or on Israeli themes. Any suggestions?
>Would Leon Uris' "Exodus" be too obvious?

Given the criterion of "good", _Exodus_ would be obviously ... wrong.
I'm still not sure, after all these years, what it takes to make a good
historical novel, but I know Leon Uris hasn't got it.

Also: This may sound odd, as I have loudly disparaged Michener in the past,
but you might try _The Source_. Of course, it's a good 25 years out of
date.

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Brian Sutin  
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 More options Oct 25 1991, 9:06 am
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From: su...@helios.ucsc.edu (Brian Sutin)
Date: 24 Oct 91 21:55:00 GMT
Subject: Re: fiction suggestions, please? (Israeli themes)
In article <60...@ut-emx.uucp> jz...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman) writes:

->In article <11...@pogo.WV.TEK.COM> willi...@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (William Smith) writes:
->
->>nora gayle rivkis writes:

->>       >I'm looking for good, English-language fiction that's set
->                         ^^^^
->>       >in Israel or on Israeli themes. Any suggestions?
->
->>Would Leon Uris' "Exodus" be too obvious?
->
->Given the criterion of "good", _Exodus_ would be obviously ... wrong.
->I'm still not sure, after all these years, what it takes to make a good
->historical novel, but I know Leon Uris hasn't got it.
->
->Also: This may sound odd, as I have loudly disparaged Michener in the past,
->but you might try _The Source_. Of course, it's a good 25 years out of
->date.
->
->
->--
->    "Life is short; mess about."              -- Witold Rybczynski
->
->     ...!cs.utexas.edu!ccwf!jzimm

As a child, I found "Exodus" very exciting, and "The Source" rather boring.
As an adult, I might change my mind if I reread them, and I am of course
ignoring any historical accuracy of the plots.

Then again, I liked "Azeet, the Paratrooper Dog" when I was a kid also,
so you might want to ignore me.

Brian Sutin                             su...@helios.ucsc.edu
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Ben Pashkoff  
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 More options Oct 29 1991, 9:49 am
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From: b...@vmsa.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Date: 29 Oct 91 11:47:02 GMT
Local: Tues, Oct 29 1991 6:47 am
Subject: Re: fiction suggestions, please? (Israeli themes)
In article <60...@ut-emx.uucp>, jz...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman) writes:

I 'll add a few:
"The Book of Abraham" Marek Halter
"The Children of Abraham" Marek Halter (sequel)
"Oh, Jerusalem" Collins and LaPierre
"The Menorah Men" Currently Forgotten

There are also, in English, some really nice biographies of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda,
Sarah AAronson (NILI) that border on fiction as to their detail and probable
accuracy.

I will look at home for more titles.
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