Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
bpg
Kenneth McVay, OBC
bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
How many of them were Jewish.
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Jeffrey E Salzberg
b...@prodigy.net says...
> Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
At same time you're remembering "Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks", I presume
you're also "remembering" Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth
Fairy.
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bpg
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> In article <97bjuu$24ku$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
> bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
>
> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> How many of them were Jewish.
You must have received a raise from your Zionist masters to argue with those
who take exception to your paid propaganda of Zionist hate, lies and
distortions. Are you getting minimum wage yet?
To answer your question, Zionist lackey, there were far too many Jewish
Bolsheviks and they were the most brutal amongst Stalin's henchmen.
bpg
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> In article <97bjuu$24ku$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
> b...@prodigy.net says...
> > Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
>
>
> At same time you're remembering "Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks", I presume
> you're also "remembering" Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth
> Fairy.
Maybe I am mistaken and there never was Stalin or Hitler and nobody got
murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks or the German Nazis. So, why is all that
bellyaching about the hollowcast?
Kenneth McVay, OBC
bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Kenneth McVay, OBC <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
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>> In article <97bjuu$24ku$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
>> bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> >Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
>>
>> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
>> How many of them were Jewish.
>
>You must have received a raise from your Zionist masters to argue with those
>who take exception to your paid propaganda of Zionist hate, lies and
>distortions. Are you getting minimum wage yet?
>
>To answer your question, Zionist lackey, there were far too many Jewish
>Bolsheviks and they were the most brutal amongst Stalin's henchmen.
Evasion noted.
How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
How many of them were Jewish.
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> b...@prodigy.net says...
> > Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
>
> At same time you're remembering "Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks", I presume
> you're also "remembering" Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth
> Fairy.
How unfounded was the CCCP joke? In Morley Safer's 60 Minutes broadcast The
Ugly Face of Freedom of 23Oct94, the editor of the Lviv newspaper Za Vilnu
Ukrainu (For a Free Ukraine) was shown relating the joke that CCCP (the
Cyrillic version of USSR) stood for three Jews and a Russian (where "C" is
the first Cyrillic letter of a slang word for "Jew," and "P" is the first
Cyrillic letter of the Ukrainian word for "Russian"). To the 60 Minutes
audience, this joke must have seemed not only in bad taste, but more
importantly must have seemed unfounded and inaccurate, and thus little
better than an expression of anti-Semitism. When compared to the Shapoval
Cheka-GPU-NKVD statistics above, however, this 75% Jewish and 25% Russian
attribution of responsibility for Communism is revealed as only a small
exaggeration.
http://www.ukar.org/shapov01.shtml
Logitech
> Evasion noted.
> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> How many of them were Jewish.
To name but a few of the highest-ranking Jews in the early Bolshevik
leadership:
Trotsky
Zinoviev
Radek
These are just a few names that come immediately to mind. Would you like
for me to find more Jewish names and more thorough descriptions of their
involvement from mainstream encyclopedic resources, Mr. McVay? I can. I've
done it before and posted the results on usenet. Unfortunately, I've never
considered keeping a database of all these self-evident truths on my hard
drive. I think I will take a cue from you and begin doing so.
Larry R
the stove. I am sure we can arrange a room with Docky in the looney bin. You
can take turns at one another.
LARRY R.
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Jeffrey E Salzberg
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>
> "Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
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> > Evasion noted.
> > How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> > How many of them were Jewish.
>
> To name but a few of the highest-ranking Jews in the early Bolshevik
> leadership:
>
> Trotsky
> Zinoviev
> Radek
OK, so far, out of the thousands of people who were Bolsheviks, the
number of Jews you've cited is. . . .
Three.
Jeffrey E Salzberg
b...@prodigy.net says...
> > At same time you're remembering "Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks", I presume
> > you're also "remembering" Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth
> > Fairy.
>
> Maybe I am mistaken and there never was Stalin or Hitler and nobody got
> murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks or the German Nazis. So, why is all that
> bellyaching about the hollowcast?
Let me guess -- you've never taken Logic 101, have you?
Logitech
> OK, so far, out of the thousands of people who were Bolsheviks, the
> number of Jews you've cited is. . . .
> Three.
Thanks for challenging me. I might now find the motivation to begin
compiling the database to counteract all of McVay's self-serving myopia and
half-truths.
More directly to your point, the leadership of the Bolshevik Party was
overwhelmingly Jewish (or having Judaic backgrounds). Are we saying that
the Bolsheviks were a democratic organization? Did the rank-and-file
Bolshevik member who just returned from war and was trying to feed their
family under horrendous circumstances have very much input into the workings
of the fledgling Soviet state? I know better.
Doc Tavish
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>In article <97brcm$5db0$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
>bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>Kenneth McVay, OBC <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
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>>> In article <97bjuu$24ku$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
>>> bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>> >Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
>>> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
>>> How many of them were Jewish.
>>You must have received a raise from your Zionist masters to argue with those
>>who take exception to your paid propaganda of Zionist hate, lies and
>>distortions. Are you getting minimum wage yet?
>>To answer your question, Zionist lackey, there were far too many Jewish
>>Bolsheviks and they were the most brutal amongst Stalin's henchmen.
>Evasion noted.
>How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
>How many of them were Jewish.
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"Let the chips fall where they may. The inordinate role played by Jews in
bringing Bolshevism to power is certainly a topic worthy of further
exploration."
FACES AND PLACES
by Myron B. Kuropas
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Ghostbusting in Ukraine
A funny thing. No sooner does my commentary on Communist ghosts appear in
The Ukrainian Weekly than Ukraine responds.
Any connection? In your dreams, Kuropas.
But it's reassuring to learn that 68 democrats in Ukraine's Parliament
have neither forgiven nor forgotten the ethnocide perpetrated by the
Bolsheviks against the Ukrainian people.
Led by Lev Lukianenko, Yevhen Proniuk and Les Taniuk, the 68
parliamentarians have established Nuremberg II. The purpose, reports
Chrystyna Lapychak in a May 6 story carried by the service UNIAR press, is
to organize a symbolic international trial on crimes committed by the
former Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Communist Party of
Ukraine. "The legislators plan to use the caucus to collect evidence, hold
public hearings and conferences, and maintain links with parliaments of
other former Soviet republics," reads the release.
It's a brilliant move. Since it's probably unrealistic to assume that,
given the present dominance of the Communist nomenklatura, Ukraine will
soon, if ever, bring anyone to trial, it is at least possible to document
Ukraine's Bolshevik barbarism.
Ukraine needs to authenticate these historical antecedents in some formal
way. The recent past needs to be recorded in its entirety for three major
reasons:
1) to expose the bestial Bolshevik abominations in all their horror in the
hope that they will never be repeated (communism won't go away unless a
silver spike is driven through its wretched heart);
2) academics, both in Ukraine and elsewhere, seem to be shying away from
writing the truth about Ukraine's Bolshevik past;
3) Ukraine can no longer pretend that what transpired between 1920 and
1991 was a mere aberration in a long history. It wasn't. Before Ukraine
can be whole again, past realities, as painful as they may be, must be
addressed.
We in North America can assist Ukraine's ghostbusters in a number of ways.
Dr. Lev Dobriansky's proposal to establish a Holocaust-type museum that
could serve as a reminder of Communist malevolence is an idea worthy of
our support...
Publications in the English language are another way we in North America
can help. There are countless areas that could use the light of truth. We
could begin with the story behind the Russian Bolshevik invasion of
Ukraine, its forced incorporation into the USSR, and the subsequent
annihilation of hundreds of Ukraine's own nationally oriented Bolsheviks
as well as thousands of scholars, editors, teachers and others whose
loyalty to Ukraine superseded loyalty to Lenin and Stalin.
Let the chips fall where they may. The inordinate role played by Jews in
bringing Bolshevism to power is certainly a topic worthy of further
exploration.
Another aspect of this early Bolshevik period was the total destruction of
the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church, which resulted in Siberian
exile or death for thousands of priests and prelates. This history has yet
to be written.
The famine, of course, also requires further research. Yes, there already
are excellent publications on the famine, but we need more. There are
hundreds of books on the Jewish Holocaust. There should also be hundreds
of books on the Ukrainian famine, a malefaction that has no equal in world
history.
There are some excellent books on the killing fields of Vinnytsia as well,
but more documentation is required. We know that in 1943, approximately
9,000 Soviet citizens were found buried in mass graves in the Ukrainian
city of Vinnytsia. It was later established that they were executed by the
Bolsheviks during the years 1937 and 1938. Significantly, none of the
persons killed had been sentenced to death. "In cases where an official
conviction could be linked to a victim," writes Ihor Kamenetsky in "The
Tragedy of Vinnytsia," "either through documentary evidence or on the
basis of the testimony by relatives, the maximum sentence was a term of 10
years' confinement in a labor camp with the denial of the right to
correspondence."
There is also testimony available regarding Soviet butchery of Ukrainian
nationalists as the Germans were approaching the city of Lviv in June of
1941. Unable to evacuate the thousands of prisoners incarcerated following
the Soviet occupation of Galicia, thousands of Ukrainians were simply
massacred in their cells.
The destruction of the Ukrainian Catholic Church by Soviet authorities and
the murder and deportation of thousands of Ukrainian clergy and laity is
still another subject requiring more research. Members of the underground
Church are still alive and could provide excellent testimony.
There are other crimes, some hardly known or mentioned, that need to be
exposed by Nuremberg II and by others. We can't pretend that Bolshevism
was one, big, misguided but well-intentioned error. 'Mistakes" were made,
we are told by devotees of socialism, but the goal was an honorable one.
This is the kind of spin the Left in America is already putting on the
collapse of the Soviet Union.
In an article titled "Socialism Would Strengthen the Republic's
Economies," for example, Mike Davidow argues that it was not socialism
that destroyed the Soviet empire but "retrogression," which was largely
the result of "ideological disorientation." Socialism in the USSR
"constituted a higher state in the progress of mankind," he writes. Mr.
Davidow mourns the Soviet demise because the Bolsheviks played "a
progressive role on the world scene for seven decades" and had "a positive
influence on social development." Mr. Davidow and others like him are one
more reason for setting the record straight.
Once again our community has an obligation to remind the world that no
people, not even the Jews, suffered more during the 20th century than the
Ukrainians....
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Hitler's Willing Executioners, Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, by
Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, NY: Alfred A. Knopf, 1996
by: Roland M. Wagner Ph.D., San Jose State University. June 23, 1996
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Understanding Goldhagen: his moral agenda
[...]
While Goldhagen is certainly correct that the Nazi propaganda ministry
demonized the Jews, he is overlooking a factor of great importance by
dismissing everything as being a mere "hallucination." Propaganda becomes
especially potent when it builds on elements of truth. The Nazis were able
to capitalize on the fact that many Jews did play important roles in the
Communist leadership, and Jews comprised a disproportionate number of the
local party officialdom in the Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, and other
areas. Peter Lawrence, in his article "Why Lithuania?" points out that in
Byelosrussia the Jews comprised about 8 percent of the population, and
while only 6.2 percent were members of the Communist party they comprised
23.2 percent of Party Committees at the district level. Nazi estimates for
the Soviet Union (cited on p. 49 in The Einsatzgruppen Reports edited by
Yitzhak Arad et al , 1989), were that the Jews comprised 1.77% of the
general population, 5.2% of the Communist party membership, 25.7% of the
party's Central Committee, and 36.8% of the Politburo, with the latter
percentage rising to 42.9% by the end of Lenin's era. In other words, Jews
had greater public visibility within the Communist bureaucracy, greatly
exceeding their percentage of the population....
Compounding the deadly intensity of this image, the Germans and the
peoples of Eastern Europe were well aware that the Soviet government had
launched ruthless pogroms of genocidal proportion against various ethnic
groups in the Soviet Union. World concern was aroused during the 1920s and
1930s when millions of Ukrainians and Volksdeutsch died as a result of the
deliberate Soviet policy to exterminate these ethnic groups through mass
starvation. The Ukrainians initially hailed the German troops as
liberators who would remove the Bolshevik yoke from their backs. Nazi
propaganda was relentless in its message: either victory, or total slavery
under the Jewish Bolsheviks.
While Goldhagen acknowledges on p. 393 the link drawn by the Nazi
propagandists between Bolshevism and World Zionism, he fails to emphasize
the crucial importance of this belief. Rather than focusing on how German
fears were aroused by rampant Communism in the east (an historically
specific, "situational" factor), he prefers to focus on the deep,
long-term historical roots of hallucinatory anti-Semitism, to which he
devotes an entire section of his book....
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Russian Jewish Elites And Anti-Semitism
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Twice in their history, Russian Jews have been associated in the public
mind with the ruling elite. During the early period of Bolshevism, Jews
played prominent roles in the ruling Communist Party and in the economic,
cultural, and academic life of the young Soviet state. Then, after the
collapse of communism in 1991, Jews again achieved influential positions
in politics as well as in the private sector, especially the media...
On the other hand, the presence of Jews in the Russian elite is cause for
concern among Jews themselves, who fear a backlash of anti-Semitism. As
one Russian Jewish leader has explained, “People here have quite bitter
memories of the participation of Jews in the [Bolshevik] revolution.”
Jews in Soviet Elites, 1917-88
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... Jews flooded into Russia’s economic, political, and cultural life. At
the same time, in proportions quite exceeding their percentage in the
general population of the Russian Empire, they played a highly visible
role in various movements hostile to the existing order-as liberal critics
of the autocratic regime, as Marxists, or as active exponents of
revolutionary terrorism.
After the fall of czarism and the establishment of Bolshevik rule, legal
discrimination against minorities was ended. Scores of Jews became
prominently involved in the destruction of the old regime and the
construction of the new society. Among the first echelon of leaders of the
new Russia were a number of Jews and individuals of Jewish origin.
Outstanding among these were Lev Trotsky (Bronstein), Grigory Zinovyev
(Radomyslskiy), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov Sverdlov. There were also
some Jews in the second echelon: Moisey Uritskiy, Adolf Yoffe, Karl Radek
(Sobelson), Grigory Sokolnikov (Briliant), Yuri Steklov (Nekhamkes). These
Jewish Bolsheviks were not especially interested in Jewish matters and in
fact were Jewish only by accident of birth or because they were so
identified in their papers.....
To some Russians it appeared that Jews had taken over the country. Given
the total absence of Jews in the bureaucracy before 1917, their presence
among the state and party leadership and their prominence in the Soviet
military and secret police during the first years of Bolshevik rule
confirmed this impression......
When in the mid-1920s Stalin mounted a campaign against his major
opponents inside the party-a group that was labeled the “left opposition”
and included such prominent Jewish Bolsheviks as Trotsky, Kamenev, and
Zinovyev-his propaganda was spiced with thinly veiled anti-Semitism. In
October 1926 Trotsky, Kamenev, and Zinovyev were deprived of all their
posts in the party’s upper echelon, marking the beginning of the end of
Jewish prominence within the Soviet political elite.
[...]
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Terms of a truce: Were I authorized to represent the Ukrainian position in
negotiating with Jews a cessation of verbal hostilities, I might open with
"If you stop fabricating lies about us, we will stop disclosing the truth
about you."
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Prytulak Cheka-GPU-NKVD in Ukraine 25May98 Jewish conquest of the
Slavs
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The Shapoval volume, then, provides us with one such reason why some
Ukrainian anti-Semitism might exist. The reason is that Ukrainians have
been aware of the Jewish domination of the experiment in government
through mass murder which went under the name of "Communism," and in which
experiment Ukrainians more than any other peoples have been conscripted
into playing the role of guinea pigs.
Jewish Conquest of the Slavs
The Shapoval volume. The analyses that I present below are based on
information in the following book written in Ukrainian, with some of its
documentation presented in Russian:
Yuri Shapoval, Volodymyr Prystaiko, and Vadym Zolotariov, Cheka-GPU-NKVD
in Ukraine: People, Facts, Documents, Abris, Kyiv, 1997.
For the sake of brevity, I will refer to the above book as "the Shapoval
volume."
Sponsorship. It is possibly highly significant that this book was
sponsored by the following:
National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine
M. S. Hrushevsky Institute
of Ukrainian Archaeography and Fontology
Security Service of Ukraine
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Nationalities in the Cheka-GPU-NKVD. One may summarize my chief finding
with this succinct approximation:
Out of every 10 senior members
of the Cheka-GPU-NKVD in Ukraine:
6 were Jewish,
2 were Russian,
1 was Ukrainian, and
1 was other.
Latvians. Latvians led in the "other" category. More specifically:
NATIONALITY NUMBER INVOLVED PERCENTAGE
Jewish=92 + Father Jewish=1 93 58.1
Russian 34 21.3
Ukrainian 15 9.4
Latvian (M)=6 + (F)=1 7 4.4
Belarusian 3 1.9
Polish 2 1.3
Polish/German 1 .6
Armenian 1 .6
Georgian 1 .6
German 1 .6
Lithuanian 1 .6
Moldovan 1 .6
Total known nationality 160 100
Unknown nationality 23
Total 183
Almost no mixed parentage. Given that the authors noted the instance in
which only the father was Jewish, it would appear that there are no other
instances of known mixed parentage in this sample.
Almost no females. In Ukrainian, the word for "a Latvian person" comes in
masculine and feminine versions, and thus it was possible to note upon no
more than seeing their nationality stated that six of the Latvians were
male and one female. But as all the other nationality names also come in
two versions, then it would also have been possible to note the presence
of a female in them as well, which however I failed to do. Thus, in the
sample of 160 for which nationalities were specified, there appears to be
only a single female. The Cheka-GPU-NKVD in Ukraine, then, appears to
have been a male-dominated occupation.
Possible under-estimate of Jewish participation. The "Polish/German"
above refers to a single official who was inconsistent in identifying his
nationality on various documents, sometimes stating Polish and sometimes
German. Two possibilities come to mind: first, that neither of these is
his true nationality; second, that other officials may have misrepresented
their nationality more consistently and thus avoided detection. More
specifically, as Jews commonly assumed non-Jewish names and concealed
their Jewish identity, it is possible that the above statistics constitute
an under-estimate of Jewish presence in the Cheka-GPU-NKVD.
The Shapoval volume offers some evidence in confirmation of this
hypothesis. That is, in listing the names of the 183 Cheka-GPU-NKVD
officials, when the official used more than one name or changed his name,
Shapoval included the aliases in parentheses. The number of names
containing parentheses was 20. Of these, 14 were Jewish, 3 Latvian, 1
Russian, 1 German, and 1 unknown. Thus, it would appear that the changing
of names was overwhelmingly a Jewish phenomenon. Furthermore, my
impression is that the name changes tended to be in the direction of
making the names less Jewish and more Slavic, though as this conclusion
requires the exercise of judgment, and as in several cases I did not trust
my judgment, I do not here quantify the direction of the name changes.
Four examples of names that seemed to go from Jewish to Slavic were:
EARLIER JEWISH NAME LATER SLAVIC NAME
Holovanivskyi Bernard Volfovych Kozelskyi Borys Volodymyrovych
Podolsky Davyd Vulfovych Orlov Danylo Volodymyrovych
Izrail Moiseiovych Radzivilovskyi Oleksandr Pavlovych
Rosenbardt Abram Borysovych Rozanov Oleksandr Borysovych
Declining to guess nationality from name? Among the 23 for whom
nationality was not specified, I noticed a few cases in which nationality
might be inferred from the name alone. For example, although no
nationality was specified for Solomon Isaakovych Goldman, one might
venture to guess that he is more likely Jewish than Russian or Ukrainian.
I conclude that either the authors had independent evidence concerning
Goldman's nationality but failed to specify it as an oversight, or else
that they had insufficient biographical data to infer nationality, and
followed the general rule of declining to do so from name only. Of course
if the Shapoval authors declined to guess that Solomon Isaakovych Goldman
was Jewish, then I decline to do so as well, leaving him uncategorized
with respect to nationality.
[...]
A minor paradox resolved. It should go without saying that even if the
Communist Revolution was controlled mostly by Jews, it does not follow
that most Jews were either Communists or revolutionaries. Rather, many
writers go out of their way to comment that only a minority of Jews
supported Bolshevism, most were indifferent, and some opposed it. Thus,
although in the first of the pair of quotations below, we see Hilaire
Belloc unequivocally placing responsibility for the Russian Revolution at
the feet of the Jews, yet in the second of the pair of quotations we find
him unequivocally exonerating Jews in general from blame — a seeming
paradox which a little thought demonstrates contains no contradiction:
It was the pure despotism of a clique, the leaders of which had been
specially launched upon Russia under German direction in order to break
down any chance of a revival of Russian military power, and all those
leaders, without exception, were Jews, or held by the Jews through their
domestic relations, and all that followed was done directly under the
orders of Jews, the most prominent of whom was one Braunstein, who
disguised himself under the assumed name of Trotsky. A terror was set up,
under which were massacred innumerable Russians of the governing classes,
so that the whole framework of the Russian State disappeared. Among
these, of course, must specially be noted great numbers of the clergy,
against whom the Jewish revolutionaries had a particular grudge. A clean
sweep was made of all the old social organization, and under the despotism
of this Jewish clique the old economic order was reversed.
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(Hilaire Belloc, The Jews, 1937, p. 58)
For the Bolshevist movement, or rather explosion, was Jewish.
That truth may be so easily confused with a falsehood that I must, at the
outset, make it exact and clear.
The Bolshevist Movement was a Jewish movement, but not a movement of the
Jewish race as a whole. Most Jews were quite extraneous to it; very many
indeed, and those of the most typical, abhor it; many actively combat it.
The imputation of its evils to the Jews as a whole is a grave injustice
and proceeds from a confusion of thought whereof I, at any rate, am free.
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(Hilaire Belloc, The Jews, 1937, p. 55)
Jews present obstacle to the rule of law in Ukraine. One of Ukraine's
most pressing needs today is to demonstrate the rule of law by punishing
the most egregious violations of the law — namely torture, murder,
genocide. To the degree that the number of the guilty and the weakness of
the law make this unfeasible, Ukraine then needs more than anything else
to at least implement a Truth and Reconciliation Commission paralleling
the Truth and Reconciliation Commission so wisely instituted in South
Africa. However, there is one huge obstacle standing in the way either of
the punishment of the guilty or of inducing them to confess. That
obstacle is that a disproportionate number of the accused, or of those
revealed to have committed crimes, might turn out to be Jews, with the
result that Ukraine would be portrayed by a mindless world press as having
gone on an anti-Semitic rampage. Thus, one way that Jews continue to harm
Ukraine today is by standing in the way of Ukraine demonstrating the power
of its law to bring its torturers and its butchers to account, or the
power of its righteousness to command its torturers and its butchers to at
least confess....
.... The Shapoval volume provides us with one such reason why some
Ukrainian anti-Semitism might exist. The reason is that Ukrainians have
been aware of the Jewish domination of the experiment in government
through mass murder which went under the name of "Communism," and in which
experiment Ukrainians more than any other peoples have been conscripted
into playing the role of guinea pigs.
Terms of a truce. Were I authorized to represent the Ukrainian position
in negotiating with Jews a cessation of verbal hostilities, I might open
with "If you stop fabricating lies about us, we will stop disclosing the
truth about you."
<end>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is that enough proof for you McVay that Jews were behind the Bolshevism
which engaed in a genocide of Ukrainians? Can't you accept the other
"Holocaust"? Are you a denier? YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE!
Doc Tavish
---
"We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape juice, or any drink
containing wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a non-Jew
after the seal of the bottle has been opened."
<http://www.kashrus.org/kosher/supervis.html> Information taken from:
Is it Kosher, Rabbi E. Eidlitz and Spice and Spirit, The Lubavitch
Women's Cookbook Publications (September 15, 2000)
--digsig
Authentic Doc Tavish
Chyeer+xvAMg6mRtq2niuMN+bMnEkGsy0ShVPm2xATn
TgCkXQx7TzdH+c/wX0bZ6vvPL6ATL8BOGTIa/bMi
4tVQKtT3GJ+6cgmtOz/Qtd61e8FTMG/qxz9MBHI+T
Herr Helmut
You're not happy not unless you're smearing someone- right McVay?
What sort of an organization is it that accepts chritable donations and
then keeps files on private citizens, smears private citizens, and spreads
lies and falsehoods about them as well?
Here are some examples how your "Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A1.01" and
"Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A1.02" spread lies and I hope all reading this will
now see Ken McVay and his Nizkor for what they are. If Ken McVay's
dishonesty turns you off then please file a complaint with the BBB which I
give details later on.
Now to expose some lies Ken McVay spreads:
Archive/File: people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1
Last-Modified: 2001/02/14
IN THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF LEHIGH COUNTY
CIVIL DIVISION -- LAW
YALE F. EDEIKEN :
:
Plaintiff :
:
vs. : No. 99-C- 2786
:
SCOTT BRADBURY a/k/a "DOC TAVISH"
COMPLAINT
1 Plaintiff Yale F. Edeiken (hereinafter "Plaintiff") is a an
adult citizen and resident of Lehigh County, Pennsylvania.
[...]
51. On December 18, 1999, Defendant published the following
threat to Plaintiff:
Subject: Re: WHERE OR WHERE IS TAVISH - I'm standing behind you with my
Desert Eagle .50AE locked and loaded.. . . . . . . I'm standing behind you
with my Desert Eagle .50AE locked and loaded slowly squeezing the trigger
for an excellent one shot- one kill! :-) Sleep on that a whil
"nazihunter." Doc Tavish Knowing Time is on His Side"
[...]
Respectfully submitted,
________________________
Yale F. Edeiken
c/o Trainor Law Offices
1720 Fairmont Street
Allentown PA 18104
610-435-9820
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Note: The above phone number is NOT the phone number of Trainor Law
Offices! This link <http://www.lehighbar.org/search_select.asp>
gives the correct phone number and other info:
Paul E. Trainor
Trainor Law Offices
1720 Fairmont St
Allentown, PA 18104
Phone: (610) 434-7004
Fax: (610) 434-6978
-------------------------------------------------------------------
<end>
The above is verbatim from the complaint from a frivolous lawsuit filed
against me by an attorney who has engaged in criminal acts against me as I
will prove.
FACT: Notice in the complaint that the plaintiff is identified as
Yale F. Edeiken who then identifies himself as "nazihunter" as follows:
<start> (From the above complaint)
51. On December 18, 1999, Defendant published the following
threat to Plaintiff:
Subject: Re: WHERE OR WHERE IS TAVISH - I'm standing behind you with my
Desert Eagle .50AE locked and loaded.. . . . . . . I'm standing behind you
with my Desert Eagle .50AE locked and loaded slowly squeezing the trigger
for an excellent one shot- one kill! :-) Sleep on that a whil
"nazihunter." Doc Tavish Knowing Time is on His Side"
<stop>
In the above complaint the Plaintiff, Yale F. Edeiken, identified himself
as being the recipient of the above "threat." I merely replied to an
anonymous psychopath who just a day earlier posted my address and
telephone number under the pseudonym of "nazihunter" with the invitation
that I be visited with baseball bats!
Here is the post in full context. (Please note that all posts are on file
with law enforcement and with my attorney and they are exact copies with
my address and telephone number intact. In these public postings I delete
what Yale F. Edeiken posted.)
Subject: Re: WHERE OR WHERE IS TAVISH - I'm standing behind you with my
Desert Eagle .50AE locked and loaded..
Date: 12/18/1999
Author: Tavish <doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com>
On 15-Dec-1999, "nazihunter" <anon...@cotse.com> wrote:
> It seems that ever since Tavish's address was published, he
> seems to have disappeared.
> Has he fled?
> Or, better yet, has someone paid him a visit?
I'm standing behind you with my Desert Eagle .50AE locked and loaded
slowly squeezing the trigger for an excellent one shot- one kill! :-)
Sleep on that a while "nazihunter."
Doc Tavish Knowing Time is on His Side
<END>
Compare the text and note that Yale F. Edeiken has in FACT identified
himself as being "nazihunter." Here is the post which Yale F. Edeiken as
"nazihunter" was gloating about above in his vain attempt to intimidate me
into silence through a criminal death threat:
<START Google Archival Excerpt>
From: "nazihunter"
Subject: WHY NOT GIVE THE NAZI SHITHEAD TAVISH A CALL
Date: 14 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <1999121500...@cotse.com
X-Abuse-to: ab...@cotse.com
Organization: cotse
X-Abuse-goto: http://packetderm.cotse.com/cgi-bin/blockit.cgi
X-Comments: Anonymous mail2news gate web interface -
www.cotse.com/anonnews.htm.
X-Mail-To-News-Contact: ab...@zedz.net
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Anonymously posted.
The following is the address for Doc Tavish
Scott Bradbury
<address and telephone number deleted>
Why not call him and tell him what a nazi prick he is.
Better yet, why not visit him.......with a baseball bat.
~~End of Post~~
See the death threat? See that it was from the same pseudonym the
Plaintiff, Yale F. Edeiken, identified himself as being? Take note of the
time and date of the archive! The critical points are:
Date: 14 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Organization: cotse
Now take note of the following post from Yale F. Edeiken himself:
Concerning being arrested:
From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <ya...@enter.net>
Subject: Re: We Want Porn Please Add Us to Your Lists!
Date: 14 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <3856...@news3.enter.net>
References: <82rla9$f...@sirius.infonex.com>
<82s6km$444$2...@dosa.alt.net>
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: atmax-4-5.enter.net
X-Trace: 14 Dec 1999 14:38:06 -0500, atmax-4-5.enter.net
[... more false accusations linking to an anonymous post deleted]
You will be interested to learn that a civil suit has already been
filed and a warrant for his arrest is about to be issued.
--YFE
~~End of Post~~
Did everyone notice the time and date the post was archived originally by
DejaCom? It was: Date: 14 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT
The above two posts as well as the posts which follow were all archived in
a very short time frame by DejaCom. Notice in the following posts you see
my name being forged and also my telephone number and address being posted
along with the mention of me being arrested! Now I ask what are the odds
that another person just would happen to obtain my unlisted telephone
number and address and at the same time be posting it to USENET announcing
I am going to be arrested. Once again Yale F. Edeiken engaging in criminal
harassment!
From: "Bradbury MacTavish" <anon...@cotse.com>
Subject: Tavish's widdle dickie needs a lickin
Date: 14 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <1999121500...@cotse.com>
X-Abuse-to: ab...@cotse.com
Organization: cotse
X-Abuse-goto: http://packetderm.cotse.com/cgi-bin/blockit.cgi
X-Comments: Anonymous mail2news gate web interface -
www.cotse.com/anonnews.htm.
X-Mail-To-News-Contact: ab...@zedz.net
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Anonymously posted.
Hello to all of my friends and fans out there! Once again,
as the holidays approach, my widdle dickie feels the need
of your attention.
Won't you come and visit my widdle dickie, before Bubba
makes me his and his alone, like before I get arrested?
I live at <address and telephone number deleted>, but
if you are not able to put your lips on widdle dickie in
person, call me for phone sex, at <address and telephone
number deleted> and we'll get it on...
----------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:28:32 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <1999121501...@cotse.com>
From: "Scott Bradbury" <anon...@cotse.com>
Subject: Please suck my tiny dick as a holiday gift
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Organization: cotse
X-Abuse-goto: http://packetderm.cotse.com/cgi-bin/blockit.cgi
X-Abuse-to: ab...@cotse.com
X-Comments: Anonymous mail2news gate web interface -
www.cotse.com/anonnews.htm.
X-Mail-To-News-Contact: ab...@zedz.net
Lines: 27
Anonymously posted.
My name is Scott Bradbury ..... my adoring and sometimes
sniveling fans know me as "Doc Tavish."
I have a difficult problem. I am about to be arrested,
which means only this guy named Billy Bob will be sucking
my tiny dick.
I don't know when I'm going to be jailed, but the warrant's
been issued... even my close friend and sometimes-lover Fat
Harold won't be able to cuddle my tiny dick then...
Will you show your affection now, by sucking my tiny dick
before I am arrested?
I live in Texas, you know..... where we grow really big
mouths and really small dicks. I live at <address and
telephone number deleted> if you can't suck my tiny dick in
person, can we have phone sex instead? I sure hope so,
because you won't be able to reach me at <address and
telephone number deleted> much longer!
--------------------------------------------------------------
Remember the two posts above mention me being arrested in addition to
giving out my unlisted telephone number and address! What are the odds
that a separate person from Yale F. Edeiken would be posting my unlisted
telephone number and address in addition to announcing I was going to be
arrested? Notice the time and dates of the archival process!
All of the above criminal harassment happened because a mentally disturbed
attorney obtained my unlisted address and unlisted telephone number by use
of a subpoena as shown here:
"Flash Net Communications, File number 99-C-2786 with a heading:
Yale F. Edeiken Vs Scott Bradbury aka sonn...@flash.net demanding:
"(1) Application for services and all other written materials including
e-mails, complaints or memoranda of internal investigation of
sonn...@flash.net.. This subpoena was issued at the request of the
following person: Yale F. Edeiken, Allentown, PA 18104 Supreme Court ID#
40290.. November 30,1999 Return address: Yale F. Edeiken, 918 North Bayard
Street; Allentown, PA 18104." (Subpoena on file with my attorney, Flash
Net, and law enforcement) [For the record the subpoena does NOT appear on
the docket- rather my confidential info went directly to one of
Yale F. Edeiken's "drops."]
Yale F. Edeiken had a subpoena issued on November 30,1999 and sent it from
Allentown, Pennsylvania to Flash Net in Dallas, Texas. The travel time and
turnaround would be reasonable to assume that Yale F. Edeiken received
my confidential info on about December 14, 1999! I ask what are the odds
that another person other than Yale F. Edeiken would be using the COTSE
anonymizer in a small time frame on the night of December 14, 1999 to
violate my right to privacy!? Yale F. Edeiken did in FACT identify himself
as the plaintiff and that the plaintiff was threatened (personally) when I
replied to "nazihunter" <anon...@cotse.com>.
LIE #1 Exposed
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From Nizkor smears private citizens archives:
Shofar FTP Archive File
people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A1.02
"the Defendant returned all process and intensified his campaign of
harassment extending it to direct and violent harassment of Plaintiff's
parents, siblings.. Defendant Bradbury had, during this period,
intensified and enlarged his campaign of criminal harassment. It now
includes violent threats against Plaintiff's parents and family..."
This false accusation is from:
Shofar FTP Archive File
people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A1.01
"The most outrageous example of the terrorist activities in which
Defendant Bradbury engages us his campaign against Plaintiff's family.
Defendant Bradbury has participated in producing an Internet site which
list the names, addresses and telephone numbers of Plaintiff's father,
mother, sister and brother."
Here is proof positive I did NOT make such a post:
From: Doc Tavish (NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: BRADBURY SAYS "I'M "NO USER" - YFE Telephone Threat
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2001-01-23 16:46:04 PST
[...]
From: Jeffrey G Brown <jeffreygbr...@hotmail.com.invalid>
Subject: Give Yale Edeiken's relatives a call.
Date: 01 Jul 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <146d0240...@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com>
Bytes: 609
X-Originating-Host: 24.27.186.114
X-Complaints-To: wren...@remarq.com
X-Trace: WReNphoon4 962515052 10.0.2.14 (Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:17:32 PDT)
Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start
Here
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:17:32 PDT
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
X-Wren-Trace:
eD8aMjMqbSdsdS4xPG07LyouPTUtNV8hNSc9PT8naHw/ND9sZTF4Zn1vY2x/Ln18
<All names, addresses, and telephone numbers of Yale F. Edeiken's
family deleted for they are not relevant>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
Up to 100 minutes free!
http://www.keen.com
~~End of "CLEANED" Archive~~
Notice in the headers above the field:
"X-Originating-Host: 24.27.186.114"
What does the origin show when rendered using a WHO IS server?
I used this WHO IS agent <http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi> and
it rendered "24.27.186.114" as:
ServiceCo LLC - Road Runner (NET-ROAD-RUNNER-1)
13241 Woodland Park Road
Herndon, VA 20171 US
Netname: ROAD-RUNNER-1
Netblock: 24.24.0.0 - 24.31.255.255
Maintainer: SCRR
Coordinator:
ServiceCo LLC (ZS30-ARIN) ab...@rr.com
1-703-345-3416
Domain System inverse mapping provided by:
DNS1.RR.COM 24.30.200.3
DNS2.RR.COM 24.30.201.3
Record last updated on 11-Jul-2000.
Database last updated on 15-Jan-2001 18:30:16 EDT.
<END>
I am sorry to say that I do not have an internet provider based in
Virginia! The above internet provider is also a cable modem type provider
too! I guess Edeiken will next accuse me of having over a 1000 mile cable
to Virginia from Texas! See how he makes false accusations when he has not
considered the evidence!?
Here is what Road Runner or RR.COM says of their service:
http://www.rr.com/rdrun/
"Road Runner LLC, headquartered in Herndon, VA is the parent company of
Road Runner, the nation's pre-eminent broadband service provider. The Road
Runner service delivers high-speed Internet access and compelling
broadband applications and services to the PC over the Road Runner all
optical broadband IP data network combined with an affiliated cable
operator's local hybrid fiber-coaxial (HFC) infrastructure."
(We don't have digital fiber optic cable in Bellville, Texas and my cable
company is Charter Communications which still uses the old analog cable
without any sort of internet connection-- FACT!)
Here is Road Runner's availability:
http://rrcorp.central.rr.com/hso/avail.asp
I entered my zip code (77418) in the search for areas served and this is
what I got: "Thank you very much for your interest in Road Runner. At this
time we do not have definitive plans to launch Road Runner in your area."
NEWS FLASH! Guess what a DNS search rendered on
"24.27.186.114"? It gives the "dialup's" real name and guess what?
LOOK!
(NOTE: Sam Spade is an internet diagnosis and research tool used to fight
spam and search out the identities of spammers and other miscreants! Sam
Spade is FreeWare and is available at: <http://samspade.org/ssw/>)
nslookup 24.27.186.114
Canonical name: cvg-27-186-114.cinci.rr.com
Addresses: 24.27.186.114
Sam Spade also revealed:
Trying 24.27.186 at ARIN
ServiceCo LLC - Road Runner (NET-ROAD-RUNNER-1)
13241 Woodland Park Road
Herndon, VA 20171 US
Netname: ROAD-RUNNER-1
Netblock: 24.24.0.0 - 24.31.255.255
WHO IS <http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi> showed
"cvg-27-186-114.cinci.rr.com" as:
Registrant:
EXCALIBUR Group, A Time Warner Company (RR6-DOM)
13241 Woodland Park Rd
Herndon, VA 20171 US
Domain Name: RR.COM
Whose posts originate from Cincinnati? Who has a Road Runner account in
Cincinnati? Isn't it ironic that I get blamed for what a person in
Cincinnati did!? The headers are here for all to see and the appropriate
internet tools are available for verification of what I now post!
NOW I ASK- Do I have a very long cable to Cincinnati with which I use to
access a cable modem in that city?
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Looks like I did NOT post Edeiken's relatives' addresses and I did not
make a web page with such names and addresses depicted either! I am dying
for Edeiken to show proof! This case will go to a higher court I am
willing to bet!
LIE #2 Exposed
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Archive/File: people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury-RA.01
Last-Modified: 2001/02/14
REQUESTS FOR ADMISSION
NOW COMES Plaintiff Yale F. Edeiken and demands that, pursuant to Rule
4014, Pennsylvania Rules of Civil Procedure, Defendant Scott Bradbury
admit or deny the truth of the following within thirty (30) days of
service or, by failing to do so, admit the truth of the matters asserted:
[...]
3. Defendant Scott Bradbury has published material on the Internet
under the pseudonym "Nazihunter."
4. Defendant Scott Bradbury has created and published on the
Internet under the name of "Nazihunter" a website which gives his own
address and telephone number.
5. Defendant Scott Bradbury has thereafter falsely claimed that
said website was created by others in an attempt to harass him.
6. Defendant Scott Bradbury has, at various times, published his
own address and telephone number under the name of "Nazihunter" together
with various threats of violence.
7. Defendant Scott Bradbury has thereafter made the false claim,
based upon such publications, that he is being harassed and threatened by
others.
[...]
<end>
I now answer the lunacy of Edeiken's outrageous accusations:
From: Doc Tavish (NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com)
Subject: NAZIHUNTER'S THREE ISPs ARE RESPONSIBLE -- FIRST LEGAL OPINION IN
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2001-01-29 00:51:21 PST
[...]
Adapted and excerpted from a letter written to three ISPs:
I show what three ISPs tolerate. Here is a web page titled:
"WELCOME TO NAZIHUNTER'S PAGE."
Would this not imply possession of said web page by a person
called Nazihunter?
Here is Nazihunter's current web page:
http://<domain deleted>/tavishhunter/NAZISCUM.htm
Notice the title of the web page htm? It's naziscum.htm.
I have presented two facts now:
1) The web page is owned by "Nazihunter"
2) The web page htm is titled naziscum or in some cases
nazihunter
YOUR client has advertised such page as the link above shows which says
precisely:
<START>
WELCOME TO NAZIHUNTER'S PAGE
-------------------------------------------------------
WELCOME TO THE NAZI-SCUMBAG PAGE
HERE WE WILL PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE VARIOUS
NET-NAZIS WHO INHABIT ALT.REVISIONISM.
AMONG THEM:
SCOTT BRADBURY, AKA DOC TAVISH
DAVID E. MICHAEL, AKA "DR." DAVID MICHAEL
DON ELLIS, AKA TOO MANY SOCK-PUPPETS TO LIST.
SUCH NAZI PIGS AS MATT GIWER, SABATINI, LIPPAI, BARON, ETC. HAVE BEEN
NEUTRALIZED AND ARE THEREFORE NOT WORTHY OF ANY MORE ATTENTION.HERE'S A
TASTE:
<Don Ellis' address, children's names etc. deleted for this post>
AND NOW FOR THE MORBIDLY OBESE SCOTTIE:
THIS NAZI PIG'S MEDICAL RECORDS REVEAL THAT HE WEIGHS 325 POUNDS, BUT IS
ONLY 5' 5"TALL. THIS MEANS THAT SCOTT BRADBURY IS ABOUNT AS ROUND AS A
BEACH BALL. HE ALSO SUFFERS FROM NARCOLEPSY AND VERTIGO. HE HAS NEVER HELD
A MEANINGFUL JOB, AND IS 100% DEPENDANT ON YOUR TAX DOLLARS.
WHY NOT VISIT HIM?
WITH A BASEBALL BAT !!!!!
<my telephone number deleted>
Scott Bradbury
<my address deleted>
From: the HOLOCAUST MUSEUM100 Raoul WallenbergPlace, Washington, DC 20024
Map To: <A "how to" on arriving to my front door deleted>
copyright @ scott bradbury 2001
<STOP>
This same "WELCOME TO NAZIHUNTER'S PAGE" has been both uploaded as
nazihunter.htm and naziscum.htm and has been advertised by a person who
calls himself Nazihunter from three traceable ISPs who have already been
advised they had better seriously consider their liability for this client
of theirs. The following are just three of Nazihunter's ads from three
different ISPs:
Path: news.flash.net!nntp.flash.net!enews.sgi.com!
newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!
news4.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: NEW NAZIHUNTER PAGE: KEEP EM COMING
From: MAR...@NETCOM.CA (NAZIHUNTER)
Organization: ASSYRIANS "R" US
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Lines: 2
Message-ID: <VZhb6.352278$_5.810...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:06:13 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.43.6.107
X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net
X-Trace: news4.rdc1.on.home.com 980265973 24.43.6.107
(Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:06:13 PST)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:06:13 PST
Xref: news.flash.net alt.revisionism:780969
http://tavishhunter.topcities.com/naziscum.htm
<END>
From: MAR...@NETCOM.COM (NAZIHUNTER)
Subject: Updated Nazihunter Page on Yoderanium
Date: 22 Jan 2001 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <j4Na6.139695$f36.5...@news20.bellglobal.com>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 980131215 64.229.81.144
(Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:40:15 EST)
Organization: ASSYRIANS "R" US
MIME-Version: 1.0
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:40:15 EST
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
http://members.yoderanium.com/nazihunter
<END>
From: MAR...@NETCOM.COM (NAZIHUNTER)
Subject: COPYRIGHT SCOTT BRADBURY
Date: 17 Jan 2001 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <Mt896.81288$n%.3246921@news20.bellglobal.com>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 979702764 64.229.71.127
(Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:39:24 EST)
Organization: ASSYRIANS "R" US
MIME-Version: 1.0
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:39:24 EST
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/tavishhunter/naziscum.html
<END>
From: mar...@netcom.com (NAZIHUNTER)
Subject: YODERANIUM STILL UP
Date: 14 Jan 2001 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <Ooi86.3167$Oe.1...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
X-Complaints-To: ab...@attcanada.ca
X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 979481262 142.154.136.119
(Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:07:42 EDT)
Organization: Assyrians R Us
MIME-Version: 1.0
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:07:42 EDT
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
HTTP://MEMBERS.YODERANIUM.COM/NAZIHUNTER
RING!!!! RING!!!1
<END>
From: mar...@netcom.com (NAZIHUNTER)
Subject: HEY FATASS BRADBURY, YOUR PAGE IS STILL UP AND RUNNING
Date: 03 Jan 2001 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <19O46.13378$t3.3...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
X-Complaints-To: ab...@attcanada.ca
X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 978562749 142.194.211.19
(Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:59:09 EDT)
Organization: Assyrians R Us
MIME-Version: 1.0
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:59:09 EDT
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
http://members.yoderanium.com/nazihunter
WATCH OUT FOR THAT BASEBALL BAT, YOU OBESE NAZI PRICK
<END>
Notice the death threat and it was made from a traceable ISP!
Some may not consider the above a death threat but if they know
Nazihunter's history they know what is meant by the baseball bat!
Here is a web page I have on file which I saved as a web page from MSIE
5.0. It was advertised using a home.net ISP dialup.
WWW.HOMESTEAD.COM/NAZIHUNTER1
NAZIHUNTER PRESENTS: THE SCOTT BRADBURY PAGE
INFORMATION ON A DISGUSTING WELFARE CHEATING CRIPPLED GEEK WHO STEALS YOUR
TAX DOLLARS. USE YOUR BASEBALL BAT BEING A CRIPPLE, HE CANNOT RUN VERY
FAR SCOTTIE'S NEW INFO: <Deleted from this post by Scott Bradbury>
[...]
I have all the web pages saved too!
BTW-- the above was advertized using this ISP:
Path:
news.flash.net!nntp.flash.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!
nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: IT LOOKS LIKE DR. SCUMBAG MICHAEL HAS LOST HIS STAR BILLING From:
MAR...@NETCOM.COM (MARDUK)
Organization: NAZIHUNTER
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How long will you be able to get tax credited donations when the truth
comes out that you willfully push false information? How long will your
web site have credibility when it is proven its director lies just to
smear his opposition? I have plenty of time McVay and this just may be
Nizkor's undoing!
Care to deny that I exposed many false allegations as being what they are-
lies? Why do you want to have lies at your web site?
LIE #3 Exposed
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Archive/File: people/b/bradbury.scott Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A1.01
Last-Modified: 2001/02/07
PLAINTIFF'S MEMORANDUM OF LAW
[...]
"Defendant is a sociopath with a pathological hatred of Jews who floods
the Internet with long, demented screeds about both Jews and Judaism.
Defendant claims, inter alia, that rabbis are pederasts and that Judaism
advocates having sexual relations with three year old girls."
I can't help it Tubby but your false accusation simply does not cut it!
You can whine and wail all you wish you shyster bastard BUT I have the
very writings and teachings of your sick brethren to counter your lunatic
complaint! Name any other religion which has teachings such as what
follows and mind you- these are the words straight from the "mouths" of
Jews!
<START>
http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/mohel.htm
(Click the link above to verify the contents and to see pictures
which appeared in The Jerusalem Post magazine. That Rabbi is certainly
SUCKING on an infant's penis! Link active February 24, 2001)
Shabbath 19:2
They may perform on the Sabbath all things that are needful for
circumcision: excision, tearing, sucking [the wound], and putting thereon
a bandage and cumin. If this had not been pounded up on the eve of the
Sabbath a man may chew it with his teeth and then apply it.
The Mishnah Translated by Herbert Danby
Oxford: Oxford University Press. 1933. pp. 116-117.
Shabbat 133B
II.1.
A. Suck [out the wound]:
B. Said R. Pappa, "A Surgeon who didn't suck out the wound - that is a
source of danger, and we throw him out."
C. So what else is new? Obviously, since we are prepared to desecrate the
Sabbath on that account, it is certainly dangerous not to do it!
D. What might you have supposed? That this blood is stored up. So we are
informed that it is the result of the wound, and in the status of a
bandage and cumin: Just as when one doesn't put on a bandage and cumin,
there is danger, so here, too, if one doesn't do it, there is danger.
The Talmud of Babylonia: An American Translation
Translated by Jacob Neusner
Number 275. Volume II.E: Shabbat Chapters 18-24.
Program in Judaic Studies Brown University
Atlanta: Scholars Press. 1993. p. 45.
[The brackets in the quotes below are in the texts quoted.]
"There are three stages required for the performance of a ritually correct
circumcision in Jewish law: the removal of the foreskin; the tearing of
the underlying membraene so as to expose the glans completely; and the
sucking away of the blood, m'tsitsah." Roger V. Pavey. The Kindest Cut of
All. Bognor Regis, W. Sussex: New Horizon. 1981. pp. 87-88.
"The method to be adopted is laid down thus: 'One excises the foreskin,
[that is] the entire skin covering the glans, so that the corona is laid
bare. Afterwards, one tears with the finger-nail the soft membrane
underneath the skin, turning it to the sides until the flesh of the glans
appears. Thereafter, one sucks the membrane until the blood is extracted
from the [more] remote places, so that no danger [to the infant] may
ensue; and any circumciser who does not carry out the sucking procedure is
to be removed [from his office].' . . . The operation itself, then,
consists of three distinct acts: the excision of the prepuce; the
laceration of the mucous membrane covering the glans; and the sucking of
the blood from the interior of the wound." Immanuel Jakobovits. Jewish
Medical Ethics: A Comparative and Historical Study of the Jewish Religious
Attitude to Medicine and Its Practice. New York: Bloch Publishing Company.
1959. pp. 193-194.
"The baby cried, blood flowed on to his penis and - as the rabbi had
predicted - Graham [the godfather] did not faint. The rabbi then bent over
the baby and sucked the wound. I know this sounds awful, but it is part of
the Jewish tradition. It's supposed to help the healing." Jack Shamash.
"My Son on the Cutting Edge." Independent (London), no. 3,797 (Thursday,
December 17, 1998): p. R8.
"And what of the practice of sucking the bleeding penis? While condemning
the procedure, some physicians contend that it was used to stop
bleeding.47 Not only is there little evidence for this theory, but it was
also a largely ineffective method. Furthermore, even in antiquity,
surgeons had better methods to stop bleeding, such as pressure,
instruments, and medication.48 According to Dr. H. Speert (1953),
Maimonides 'staunchly supported this procedure [sucking the bleeding
penis] as a prophylactic measure against inflammation.'"49 Edward
Wallerstein. Circumcision: An American Health Fallacy. New York: Springer
Publishing Company. 1980. p. 160.
"mezizah -- Hebrew term for the third step in the Jewish circumcision
ritual, in which the mohel applies his mouth to the freshly circumcised
infant's penis and sucks up the first drops of blood. In more recent times
this procedure has been carried out via a tube, as infections, venereal
disease, and tuberculosis, sometimes resulting in the death of the infant,
have occurred due to contamination of the wound. Most Jewish circumcisors
today have eliminated this step from the circumcision ritual. Critics have
attributed sadistic and homosexual implications to this practice, while
defenders claim that this was simply all that was known during ancient
times to stop the bleeding." Rosemary Romberg. Circumcision: The Painful
Dilemma. South Hadley, Massachusetts: Bergin & Garvey, Publishers, Inc.
1985. p. 395.
"The traditional practice of metzitzah b'peh, which has its roots in the
earliest history of the Jewish people and has survived unchanged to the
present time, should be viewed with great respect. It is spoken of very
positively in the Jewish literature on circumcision both as an essential
part of the ritual and as a health measure which prevents infection and
promotes healing." Henry C. Romberg, M.D. Bris Milah: A book about the
Jewish ritual of circumcision. Jerusalem/New York: Feldheim Publishers.
1982. pp. 57-58.
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More on Jewry's perverse practice of sucking the wound:
http://x62.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=645502261
(Link is now GOOGLE- copy subject title into what the link above gives.)
Subject: The Criminal Nature of Circumcision
Date: 07/12/2000
Author: Michael <Mic...@universalway.org>
[...]
Circumcision is extremely painful and traumatic for a baby. In the male
version, the baby is placed spread-eagle on his back on a board and his
arms and legs are strapped down so that he can't move. His genitals are
scrubbed and covered with antiseptic. His foreskin is torn from the glans
and slit lengthwise so that the circumcision instrument can be inserted.
Then his foreskin is cut off, usually without anesthetic.
While this may appear to be an odd thing to do to a baby boy, the ancient
orthodox religious ritual is more bizarre. According to "The Universal
Jewish Encyclopedia"; "The circumcision rite consists of the following: .
. .3. metzitzah, the sucking of the wound, to staunch the blood, by means
of the mouth, as practiced in earlier times, or by means of a suction
cylinder or other modern methods in more recent times."
[...]
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/
~~End of DejaCom Archive~~
http://x62.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658781901
(Link is now GOOGLE- copy subject title into what the link above gives.)
Subject: United Nations: Lieberman a Child Abuser!
Date: 08/16/2000
Author: Mikey <iam...@bellatlantic.net>
[...]
Here is some more information in the matter, particularly pertinent to
those who call themselves Orthodox Jews;
On page 214 of "The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia" (Universal Jewish
Encyclopedia, Inc., 1939), the following is found;
"The circumcision rite consists of the following: 1. milah, cutting off
the end of the upper prepuce; 2. periah, baring the glans by tearing or
cutting the tender lower prepuce and pushing it behind the glans; 3.
metzitzah, the sucking of the wound, to staunch the blood, by means of the
mouth, as practiced in earlier times, or by means of a suction cylinder or
other modern methods in more recent times."
On page/column 572 in Volume V of "Encyclopedia Judaica" (Keter Publishing
House, 1971), the following is found;
"The next stage is the performance of mezizah ('suction'). This has led to
much controversy in recent years. Throughout the ages this was done by
suction by the mouth in order, according to Maimonides, to remove the
blood from the distant parts of the wound (Maim. Yad, Milah, 2:2). It was
the recognized method of disinfection at the time. A mohel who refrained
from performing it was considered to be endangering the life of the child,
and had to be debarred from practice. Toward the middle of the 19th and
the beginning of the 20th century cases of syphilis, tuberculosis, and
diphtheria occurring in infants were ascribed to infection from mohalim
using this method of suction. This has been contested by a few Jewish
doctors, and some communities still follow the original practice. The
Paris Consistoire abolished mezizah in 1843."
[...]
The conclusion in the matter is that the "mezizah" is the stage of
circumcision where the mohel places his mouth on the baby's penis and
sucks the blood from the wound. And while many of the sects of Judaism
claim to no longer use the mezizah, it is clear that this stage was
performed by all sects for at least a millennia, and in fact, is still
performed in some Orthodox sects (by some people who condemn homosexuality
as a sin punishable by death -
http://www.universalway.org/Foreign/judaism-homo.html#DeadGays ), all of
which identifies the original nature of the ritual upon which the modern
operation is based.
Mohel sucking blood from baby's penis -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/mohel.htm
Thus, in the same manner that pedophilia is acknowledged as a repulsive
act of a criminal nature by many people and nations, the sucking of the
penis of a baby boy as part of the circumcision rite of Orthodox Jewish
Rabbis can even further establish the innate criminal nature of
circumcision, by placing the orthodox ritual squarely within the realm of
sexual child abuse of the same nature as pedophilia.
~~End of DejaCom Archive~~
More (January 14, 2001) on the Jewish perversion of "sucking the wound":
http://www.act-now.org/discuss/
This Discussion Group is moderated by a group of Mohel's
associated with ACT to whom you can post questions
you may have about circumcision.
http://www.act-now.org/discuss/_disc1/00000111.htm
What Are The Details Of "Mezizah," The Practice Of Sucking The Blood From
The Circumcision Wound?
From: Pat
Date: 10/19/99
Time: 2:32:54 AM
Comments
On a web page listing "Serious Complications Of Circumcision"
(http://faculty.washington.edu/gcd/DOC/foreskin.html), they mentioned
"Tuberculosis - via Mezizah, the practice of sucking the blood from the
circumcision wound, the mohel gives the disease to the infant."
What, exactly, are the details of this "Mezizah"?
And how prevalent through this obviously unsanitary practice is the spread
of tuberculosis and other diseases and infections?
<END>
http://www.faem.com/debate/a0809am.htm
[...]
"As for the bris milah (circumcision), there is no masturbation of the
child. In some Orthodox circles, the mohel, after the cutting, will fill
his mouth with wine, suck on the wound, and then spit out the wine and
blood mixture in his mouth. This is done to stanch the blood flow and
disinfect the wound -- not for sexual reasons. Most mohels no longer do
this." Andrew E. Mathis, Ph.D. 9 August 2000
<END>
http://www.torahcc.org/mishna/23-1-00/friday.htm
Torah Community Connection
Misha Yomit Program
Week 9 - Friday - 28 Jan. 2000
{...]
SHABBAT: CHAPTER 19: MISHNA 2
One may do all the needs of circumcision on Shabbat: one may circumcise,
and tear, and suck, and put on it a bandage and cumin. If he did not grind
before Shabbat, he may chew with his teeth and he may put. If he did not
mix wine and oil before Shabbat, he may put this by itself and this by
itself...
Kehati
This mishnah lists the needs of circumcision which may be performed on
Shabbat.
One may do all the needs of circumcision on Shabbat: one may circumcise -
circumcising and cutting the foreskin, and tear - the thin membrane under
the foreskin, which the mohel tears to reveal the corona, and suck - out a
small quantity of blood to cleanse the wound and put on it a bandage and
cumin - a type of plant, used for medicinal purposes.
<END>
DOES NOT THE ABOVE (Sucking the penises of infants) SHOW PEDOPHILIA IN THE
NAME OF RELIGION?
How about the molestation of girls three years and one day old?
Here is the Jewish Talmud blessing this molestation as well:
What the Talmud is:
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1943 edition, page 474] says: "The
Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break,
through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and
methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which
a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the largest and
most important single member of that literature, and round it are
gathered a number of Midrashim, partly legal (Halachic) and partly
works of edification (Haggadic)."
[NOTE: The words in parenthesis are as they appeared in the text; they
are not my additions. Doc Tavish]
".... any decision regarding the Jewish religion must be based on the
TALMUD as the final resume...." "The JEWS - Their History, Culture,
and Religion", Vol. 4, p. 1332, Jewish Publication Society of America
"The TALMUD is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish
religion. Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe- whether we
are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic
sentimentalists-we follow the TALMUD. It is our common law."
THE TALMUD; HEART'S BLOOD of the JEWISH FAITH by Herman Wouk which also
ran serially in the (11/17/59) New York Herald Tribune
---------------------------------------------
The Talmud Elaborating On Child Molestation (Young Girls):
From:
The Babylonian Talmud
Translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein
London
The Soncino Press 1935
[Note: When you see something such as {3}, this means a numbered
footnote for further reference. Words and phrases in ( ) are as the
appeared in the Talmud, in ( )s. Doc Tavish]
<Yebamoth 60b on page 402 of above Talmud>:
It was taught: Rabbi Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under
the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest, for
it is said, "But all the women children that have not known man by
lying with him, keep alive for yourselves {3}" and Phineas {4} surely
was with them. And the Rabbis? {5}- (These were kept alive) as bondmen
and bondwomen. {6} If so, {7} a proselyte whose age is three years and
one day {8} should also be permitted!- (The prohibition is to be
explained) in accordance with Rabbi Huna. For Rabbi Huna pointed out
the contradiction: It is written "Kill every woman that hath known man
by lying with him {9}, but if she hath not known, save her alive;"
from this it may be inferred that children are to be kept alive
whether they have known or not known (a man); and, on the other hand,
it is also written, 'But all the women children, that have not known
man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves' {3}, but do not
spare them if they have known. Consequently {10} it must be said that
Scripture speaks of one {11} who is fit for cohabitation. {12}
Footnotes to above:
{3} Numbers 31, 18
{4} Who was a priest.
{5} How could they, contrary to the opinion of Rabbi Simeon b. Yohai,
which has scriptural support, forbid the marriage of the young
proselyte?
{6} Not for matrimony.
{7} That according to Rabbi Simeon, Numbers 31, 18 refers to
matrimony.
{8} So long as she has "not known a man."
{9} Numbers 31, 17
{10} To reconcile the contradiction.
{11} I.e. one who had attained the age of three years and one day.
{12} Not one who had actually experienced it.
For the Numbers 31, 17-18 passages we will use:
CHUMASH Intelligent Concept Search
which is at: http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash
and enter into the search engine windows Numbers Chapter 31 and scroll
down to get the Torah scriptures and you will see after downloading
and scrolling down:
Numbers CHAPTER 31
31 : 7 They mounted a surprise attack against Midian as God had
commanded Moses, and killed all the [adult] males.
31 : 8 Along with the other victims, they also killed the five kings
of Midian: Evi, Rekem, Tzur, Chur, and Reva, the five Midianite kings.
They also killed Balaam son of Beor by the sword.
31 : 9 The Israelites took captive all the women of Midian and their
children. They took as booty all their animals, all their possessions,
and all their wealth.
31 : 10 [The Israelites] also set fire to all their residential cities
and fortresses,
31 : 11 taking all the booty and plunder, both man and beast.
31 : 12 They brought the captives, the plunder, and the spoils to
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and the entire Israelite community, [who
were] in the Western Plains of Moab, on the Jericho Jordan.
31 : 13 Moses, Eleazar and all the community princes went out to greet
them outside the camp.
31 : 14 However, Moses was angry at the generals and captains, who
were the officers returning from the military campaign.
31 : 15 "Why have you kept all the women alive?" demanded Moses.
31 : 16 "These are exactly the ones who were involved with the
Israelites at Balaam's instigation, causing them to be unfaithful to
God in the Peor incident, and bringing a plague on God's community.
31 : 17 Now kill every male child, as well as every woman who has been
involved intimately with a man.
31 : 18 However, all the young girls who have not been involved
intimately with a man, you may keep alive for yourselves.
Sources:
The Torah translation you are reading is taken from
The Living Torah, by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan
The Hebrew Torah text linked to this Intelligent Search
is provided by and under the responsibility of
The World ORT Union
This Intelligent Chumash Search is provided by Mnemotrix Systems,
Inc., in memory of the cherished neshama.
[I included more than Numbers 31, 17-18 to show what was taking place
at the time. Notice that Moses is mentioned and that he is angry too!
I now ask: who was going to examine these young girls? To be honest we
all know that a genital inspection would be required! Remember the key
is "young girls." Doc Tavish]
------------------------------------
The following was from a reply post and it further amplifies Jewish
male cravings for toddler females!
On 7 Jan 1998 , jher...@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger) wrote:
>Let's see. First the Rabbis point out that Simeon b. Yohai was talking
>through his yarmulke. Then they point out that the marriage to the said
>three-year-old girl need not be consummated immediately. This is
>supposed to prove approval of pederasty.
Does this suit you better?
<Sanhedrin 55b on page 376 in above Talmud>:
Rabbi Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and one
day may be acquired in marriage by coition... If she married a priest,
she may eat of terumah; {3}
[Coition means having the sex act and notice please that the age is at
three years and one day! I do not see any Brady Bill type of a waiting
period for consumation. Do you? Doc Tavish]
Footnote:
{3} As the law of an Israelite's (adult) daughter who married a
priest. But if she is less than three years old, although the
Kiddushin accepted on her behalf by her father is valid, yet since she
is sexually immature, the marriage cannot be consumated, and hence she
is not thereby enabled to eat the terumah.
The footnotes {3} and {4} for Sanhedrin 54b on Talmud volume page 371
say:
{3} At nine years a male attains sexual matureness.
{4} Lev. XVIII, 22 Thus the point of comparison is the
sexual matureness of woman is reached at the age of three.
Are you going to deny this as well? Come on now and face reality! If
the Talmud says "sexual matureness of woman is reached at the age of
three" is anyone going to believe what you said: "they point out that
the marriage to the said three-year-old girl need not be consummated
immediately." If she is considered to be sexaully mature at the age of
three then why would any groom put off consumating the marriage?
Read the Footnote again (as shown above):
{3} As the law of an Israelite's (adult) daughter who married a
priest. But if she is less than three years old, although the
Kiddushin accepted on her behalf by her father is valid, yet since she
is sexually immature, the marriage cannot be consumated, and hence she
is not thereby enabled to eat the terumah.
Please note why the marriage can NOT be consumated- "if she is less
than three years old" and "since she is sexually immature, the
marriage cannot be consumated."
As a further note, if Jews didn't have hangups about sex with three
year old girls then why is this on the web?
http://www.torah.org/advanced/weekly-halacha/5757/achrei.html
(Link active for verification 10/22/2000)
SELECTED HALACHOS RELATING TO PARSHAS ACHREI
Hilchos Yichud: Rulings of HaRav Feinstein
By Rabbi Doniel Neustadt
[...]
HILCHOS YICHUD: RULINGS OF HARAV M. FEINSTEIN
This verse is cited by most of the early authorities as the Biblical
source for the halachos of yichud, the prohibition against a man being
alone in a secluded place with a woman. The laws of yichud are complex
and detailed and the opinions of the poskim are diverse and
contradictory. This discussion will focus exclusively on the rulings
of Harav Moshe Feinstien, one of the greatest halachic authorities of
our generation....
AT WHAT AGE DOES THE PROHIBITION OF YICHUD BEGIN AND END?
A man over thirteen is prohibited to be alone with a girl over three.
Under extenuating circumstances, it is permitted to be alone with a
girl till the age of seven (5).
A woman over twelve may not be alone with a boy over nine.
Footnote:
5 Oral ruling by Harav M. Feinstein (quoted in Children in Halachah
pg. 40) based on the rational presented in Igros Moshe EH 4:65-12,
where, in the final analysis, Harav Feinstein is hesitant to permit
this. He writes, however, that he would not object to those who are
lenient.
<end>
You can cry or spit all you wish Shyster Edeiken but what I post now and
have posted is what Judaism teaches and allows! Name any other religion
which condones molestation of infants and toddlers! Now go fuck yourself
you goofy bastard!
BTW shyster you seem to have real problems with truth, reality, and free
speech!
Doc Tavish
LIE #4 Exposed
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More lies concerning:
"ALL FACTS IN THE COMPLAINT AND ADMISSIONS ARE DEEMED ADMITTED."
http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A1.01
"ALL FACTS IN THE COMPLAINT AND ADMISSIONS ARE DEEMED ADMITTED."
http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/Edeiken-v-Bradbury-A1.02
to come in the future!
For those who are disgusted with Ken McVay using his web site which
receives tax credited charitable donations then read the following and act
upon it:
From: Doc Tavish <doc_tavi...@my-deja.com>
Subject: Is Ken McVay's WWW.NIZKOR.ORG A Sham Which Gets its Director
Spending Money? R 2
Organization: McTavish Informational Services (Non-Profit)
Message-ID: <8kjd5t0el7tbd9lv4...@4ax.com>
We know that the Nizkor website relies on charitable donations in order to
survive. We also accept that any organization whose survival depends on
charitable donations should make its records open to the public. Will Ken
McVay answer these questions as he is the director of Nizkor!
Questions:
1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?
2) What is the physical address of Nizkor?
3) What is the phone number of Nizkor?
4) Where can one find the organizational papers for Nizkor?
a) How many people compose the Nizkor staff?
b) What are the financial responsibilities of Nizkor?
5) What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorized to
solicit tax free contributions?
6) How much money does Nizkor Org receive yearly as charitable donations?
7) You show below that you pay yourself-- what is your yearly pay?
http://x71.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=620760630
Subject: Re: How much of a cut does the B'nai Brith get from Nizkor? Date:
05/08/2000
Author: Kenneth McVay, OBC <kmc...@vex.net>
>f) Does Ken McVay pay himself a salary for his work for Nizkor?
Yup - I also appreciate revenue from public speaking and site advertising.
~~~~~~~End of DejaCom Archival Snippet~~~~~~
8) Is Nizkor proper (it's office and main facilities) located in a back
room of your own residence as this says?
http://www.Xgeocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.htmlX
(Remove the X's to view the site, this is to help prevent McVay from
spamming the search engines.)
"A Voyage to Nanaimo-- It takes two hours to cross the Georgia Strait by
ferry from Vancouver, British Columbia, another half-hour by jitney from
the Nanaimo terminal to reach the home of Kenneth N. McVay, webmaster for
The Nizkor Project . The address is an ordinary suburban split-level in a
middle-class neighborhood. There is nothing distinctive about its
location. .... I am taken to a back room, filled with computer equipment,
monitors, and books... Seated in front of the array is McVay, apparently a
50-something computer nerd. He is tall, thin, with short hair and glasses,
wired to the world through his ISP. The Nizkor project which McVay runs
from this room in the back of his house... " <END>
A question for all reading this:
How many organizations which receive charitable contributions operate from
the backroom of the director's home? He claims to be non-profit and it
appears that he would have a low overhead-- so how much money does Ken
McVay receive for his backroom operation?
9) What sort of legitimate organization keeps files on private citizens
and publicly defames people on its "hit list" as yours does?
FOLKS THE ABOVE QUESTIONS ARE HONEST AND THEY SHOULD BE ANSWERED. WOULD
YOU MAKE CHARITABLE DONATIONS FOR AN ORGANIZATION WHICH IS DEPICTED ABOVE?
Any evasion by McVay should warrant your suspicions.
If you wish to file a report with the Better Business Bureau in the area
of Nizkor's operation here is how:
http://204.228.135.156/van/search.html
BBB Serving Mainland B.C. Database Search
TIP: Normally you would only enter a part of the company's name and search
on that. If you put information in other fields, then the search will only
bring up companies that match ALL of the search criteria. You should
usually leave most of the fields blank.
Company Name:
I entered Nizkor and this is what I got:
http://204.228.135.156/van/results.html
BBB of Mainland B.C. Database Search Results
No entries fit these criteria.
To recommend that the BBB of Vancouver, British Columbia
consider creating a report on the company in question,
click HERE. <http://204.228.135.156/van/createreport.html>
For more information contact us:
Better Business Bureau
788 Beatty St., Suite 404
Vancouver, British Columbia V6B 2M1
Phone: (604) 682-2711
Perhaps BBB will get some answers about Ken McVay's sham!
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in negotiating with Jews a cessation of verbal hostilities, I might open
with "If you stop fabricating lies about us, we will stop disclosing the
truth about you." Terms of a Truce by Ukrainian Organization 2/23/2001
(http://www.ukar.org/shapov01.shtml)
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Logitech <win...@itech.com> wrote:
>
>"Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
>news:97brto$d11$1...@news.tht.net...
>> Evasion noted.
>> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
>> How many of them were Jewish.
>
>To name but a few of the highest-ranking Jews in the early Bolshevik
>leadership:
>
>Trotsky
>Zinoviev
>Radek
>
>These are just a few names that come immediately to mind. Would you like
>for me to find more Jewish names and more thorough descriptions of their
>involvement from mainstream encyclopedic resources, Mr. McVay? I can. I've
I would like you to tell me:
1. How many Bolsheviks there were
2. How many of them were Jewish
Be my guest... names interest me not at all, numbers do.
--
"...I note that on the few occasions of which I am aware where purveyors of
anti-Semitic propaganda have endeavoured to justify their materials in
court on the facts and the merits, they have been singularly unsuccessful..."
(http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/s/scully-olga/reason.html)
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Logitech <win...@itech.com> wrote:
>
>"Jeffrey E Salzberg" <salz...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.150346b28...@news.quik.com...
>> OK, so far, out of the thousands of people who were Bolsheviks, the
>> number of Jews you've cited is. . . .
>> Three.
>
>Thanks for challenging me. I might now find the motivation to begin
>compiling the database to counteract all of McVay's self-serving myopia and
>half-truths.
In other words, you don't _know_ how many Bolsheviks there were, and
you don't _know_ the ratio of Jewish Bolsheviks to non-Jewish
Bolsheviks.
You might be more comfortable if you simply conceded your ignorance
of these numbers.
bpg
> In article <97brcm$5db0$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
> bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >Kenneth McVay, OBC <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
> >news:97bkvn$b4r$1...@news.tht.net...
> >> In article <97bjuu$24ku$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
> >> bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >> >Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
> >>
> >> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> >> How many of them were Jewish.
> >
> >You must have received a raise from your Zionist masters to argue with
those
> >who take exception to your paid propaganda of Zionist hate, lies and
> >distortions. Are you getting minimum wage yet?
> >
> >To answer your question, Zionist lackey, there were far too many Jewish
> >Bolsheviks and they were the most brutal amongst Stalin's henchmen.
>
> Evasion noted.
> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> How many of them were Jewish.
Stalin's death camps and forced labor camps were set up and controlled by
your Jewish Bolshevik masters. In the Soviet Union, the Jewish Bolsheviks
acted as Stalin's lackey (similar to your role as a Zionist lackey) while in
Red Army occupied Europe, Jewish Bolsheviks were in total control of the
government, the state police and held even most of the industrial leadership
positions. All that because they were betrayed their neighbors to the
Soviets.
Similarly, tell me Zionist lackey, the exact number of Nazis and the exact
number of Jews dusted off by Nazis.
bpg
news:97bsv9$7ch4$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com...
I think you should take the time and effort to post your information --
even if you are not getting paid for it as McVay does. Spreading Zionist
propaganda of hate, lies and distortions must be a hell of a way of making a
living -- isn't it right McVay?
>
>
bpg
> win...@itech.com says...
> >
> > "Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
> > news:97brto$d11$1...@news.tht.net...
> > > Evasion noted.
> > > How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> > > How many of them were Jewish.
> >
> > To name but a few of the highest-ranking Jews in the early Bolshevik
> > leadership:
> >
> > Trotsky
> > Zinoviev
> > Radek
>
> OK, so far, out of the thousands of people who were Bolsheviks, the
> number of Jews you've cited is. . . .
>
> Three.
These are some of the most notorious. I would also add Beria, the Jewish
Bolshevik pervert.
No one kept lists of names of the many thousands of lower level Jewish
Bolshevik murderers but I assure you that their victims knew who they were
and it will no more be forgotten than your tales of hollowcast.
bpg
>
> "Jeffrey E Salzberg" <salz...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.150346b28...@news.quik.com...
> > OK, so far, out of the thousands of people who were Bolsheviks, the
> > number of Jews you've cited is. . . .
> > Three.
>
> Thanks for challenging me. I might now find the motivation to begin
> compiling the database to counteract all of McVay's self-serving myopia
and
> half-truths.
You would be performing a great service for justice and for those who died
in the Jewish Bolshevik run death camps.
Jeffrey G. Brown
<b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> I think you should take the time and effort to post your information --
> even if you are not getting paid for it as McVay does.
Who pays Mr. McVay?
How much?
What independently verifiable evidence do you have of your answers?
Run, coward, run...
JGB
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Jeffrey G. Brown jg_b...@my-deja.com
For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997
Jeffrey G. Brown
<b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> These are some of the most notorious. I would also add Beria, the Jewish
> Bolshevik
How many Bolsheviks were there, little man?
How many of them were Jewish?
Run, coward, run...
> [...deletia...]
> No one kept lists of names of the many thousands of lower level Jewish
> Bolshevik
How many Bolsheviks were there, little man?
How many of them were Jewish?
Jeffrey G. Brown
<b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Kenneth McVay, OBC <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
> news:97brto$d11$1...@news.tht.net...
> > In article <97brcm$5db0$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
> > bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> [...deletia...]
> > >To answer your question, Zionist lackey, there were far too many Jewish
> > >Bolsheviks and they were the most brutal amongst Stalin's henchmen.
> >
> > Evasion noted.
> > How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> > How many of them were Jewish.
>
> Stalin's death camps and forced labor camps were set up and controlled by
> your Jewish Bolshevik masters.
How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
How many of them were Jewish?
> In the Soviet Union, the Jewish Bolsheviks
How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
How many of them were Jewish?
> acted as Stalin's lackey (similar to your role as a Zionist lackey) while in
> Red Army occupied Europe, Jewish Bolsheviks
How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
How many of them were Jewish?
Keep running, coward.
Jeffrey G. Brown
<b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> in the Jewish Bolshevik run death camps.
How many Bolsheviks were there, little man?
How many of them were Jewish?
Run, coward, run...
bpg
propaganda of hate, lies and distortions is challenged -- they resort to
they slimy insults.
What else would you expect from child murderers?
Larry R <fut...@primus.ca> wrote in message
news:3vam6.5479$oA1.47...@news2.tor.primus.ca...
bpg
> In article <97brhp$45uq$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
> b...@prodigy.net says...
>
> > > At same time you're remembering "Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks", I
presume
> > > you're also "remembering" Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth
> > > Fairy.
> >
> > Maybe I am mistaken and there never was Stalin or Hitler and nobody got
> > murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks or the German Nazis. So, why is all
that
> > bellyaching about the hollowcast?
>
> Let me guess -- you've never taken Logic 101, have you?
Zionists like you like to make fun of those who remember the victims of
Jewish Bolsheviks. Ask you again -- why is all that bellyaching about the
hollowcast?
You may value Jewish lives more than others -- I don't!
Logitech
> I would like you to tell me:
>
> 1. How many Bolsheviks there were
> 2. How many of them were Jewish
>
> Be my guest... names interest me not at all, numbers do.
You will be very interested when I decide to frame this debate on my own
terms, just as you insist upon doing for the sake of your own pocketbook.
I'm an easygoing guy who has plenty of things to do with his time, but you
are about to find out that you have bitten off far more than you can chew,
McVay.
You believe that your self-serving "foundation" is beyond reproach. Prepare
to be made the complete fool. My name will change. I will need time to
gather my own resources. But you need to know that the truth is out here.
It only needs to be disseminated. ;)
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Evasion noted.
How many of them were Jewish?
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Logitech <win...@itech.com> wrote:
>
>"Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
>news:97c1fo$e1h$1...@news.tht.net...
>> I would like you to tell me:
>>
>> 1. How many Bolsheviks there were
>> 2. How many of them were Jewish
>>
>> Be my guest... names interest me not at all, numbers do.
>
>You will be very interested when I decide to frame this debate on my own
>terms, just as you insist upon doing for the sake of your own pocketbook.
>I'm an easygoing guy who has plenty of things to do with his time, but you
>are about to find out that you have bitten off far more than you can chew,
>McVay.
In short, you don't know how many Bolsheviks there were, and you
haven't a clue how many of them were Jewish. Didn't think you did.
>You believe that your self-serving "foundation" is beyond reproach. Prepare
>to be made the complete fool. My name will change. I will need time to
>gather my own resources. But you need to know that the truth is out here.
>It only needs to be disseminated. ;)
I don't have a foundation, and you don't have the numbers:
1. How many Bolsheviks were there?
2. How many Bolsheviks were Jewish?
Kenneth McVay, OBC
bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>The funny thing about Zionist slime is that every time their Zionist
>propaganda of hate, lies and distortions is challenged -- they resort to
>they slimy insults.
I haven't insulted you, Bubba, I've just asked you to back up your
mouth with some simple _facts_:
1. How many Bolsheviks were there?
2. How many of them were Jewish?
Kenneth McVay, OBC
bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
[...]
>Zionists like you like to make fun of those who remember the victims of
>Jewish Bolsheviks. Ask you again -- why is all that bellyaching about the
>hollowcast?
I haven't made fun of you, Bubba. I've just asked you to answer two
simple questions:
1. How many Bolsheviks were there?
2. How many of them were Jewish?
Take your time.
Doc Tavish
--
You're not happy not unless you're smearing someone- right McVay?
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Logitech
> I don't have a foundation, and you don't have the numbers:
>
> 1. How many Bolsheviks were there?
> 2. How many Bolsheviks were Jewish?
Here's a better series of questions: For how many years were you a U.S.
Marine, or were you tdp'd during basic? How do you support yourself up
there in Canada, Mr. McVay? Where do you acquire your money? You obviously
have spent tremendous resources on your little "hobby." Does your wife
support you? Does the Canadian (or U.S.) government support you? Do the
contributions to your pocketbook from your "speaking engagements" support
you? To whom do you primarily "speak?" Please, I'm new to this game and
want to know.
The number of Bolsheviks, even at their peak during their civil war against
the White Army when *anybody* could become a member, was only a small
fraction of the entire population of the former empire. Information
pertaining to the leadership of the Bolshevik party is forthcoming. I know
you don't want the discussion to go in that direction; however, it will.
Not soon, but rest easy. It's coming. Right now I have to get some sleep
before going to work this evening. You see, I have a job.
Doc Tavish
You're the one who evades liar and slanderer o' offspring of serpents and
vipers. Don't you ever get tired of lying? Why does your web site host
defamatory lies based on the false accusations of an unethical attorney
when the verdict isn't even in yet? You like to smear those who expose you
for what you are! Lurkers check out the questions at the bottom which
Nizkor's own Ken McVay evades! Ken won't respond about the lies he foists
as facts and he won't acknowledge the material which follows:
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Terms of a truce: Were I authorized to represent the Ukrainian position in
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about you."
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in negotiating with Jews a cessation of verbal hostilities, I might open
with "If you stop fabricating lies about us, we will stop disclosing the
truth about you."
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Is that enough proof for you McVay that Jews were behind the Bolshevism
which engaed in a genocide of Ukrainians? Can't you accept the other
"Holocaust"? Are you a denier? YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE!
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" <jg_b...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> How many of them were Jewish?
> Keep running, coward.
I don't believe he's running from anything. As the Bolsheviks found out, it
is slightly difficult to keep accurate records when THE PARTY was handing
out membership cards like rubles to an impoversished populace that was
facing an advancing White Army.
Doc Tavish
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>In article <97c2ce$3fms$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
>bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>The funny thing about Zionist slime is that every time their Zionist
>>propaganda of hate, lies and distortions is challenged -- they resort to
>>they slimy insults.
>
>I haven't insulted you, Bubba, I've just asked you to back up your
>mouth with some simple _facts_:
>
>1. How many Bolsheviks were there?
>2. How many of them were Jewish?
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GALILEE FLOWERS By Israel Shamir | February 25, 2001
When in 1543, the typhoon-blown Portuguese schooners approached the shores
of Japan, the astonished sailors could not believe their eyes: on a warm
spring day, the tropical island ahoy was buried under snow. They were
witness to one of the real Seven Wonders of the World, the flowers of
sakura, the wild cherry of Japan. As soon as the benevolent heaven bestows
this seasonal gift to earth, the Japanese forget their wives and kids,
their duties, employers and bills; they just sit under the trees, drink
sake wine and write poems, short and sharp as swords.
That is why, these days, leaving behind our man-made troubles, I sit under
the white cloud of a tree and watch the beautiful white and pink blossoms
of almond trees covering the hills of Galilee. These lovely blossoms are
our version of the Japanese sakura, and a chance to indulge in the custom
of flower viewing. A honey aroma wafts through the air; the skies are
crystal blue. Yellow daisies dance on the lush green grass at the base of
these almond wonders, interspersed by violet cyclamen and red anemones.
The glorious backdrop is provided by the huge snow mass of Jebel al Sheikh
(Mt Hermon). Palestine is a sister to Japan. These two hilly lands are
home to stubborn mountain folk, devoted to their customs and ways.
For all the similarities in the landscape, there are differences. The
hill we sit on, all white like Jaffa sea surf, is the ruin of a village.
If we were in Japan, it would be alive and humming. The village of Birim
has been dead for fifty years. It is beautiful even in death, like Ophelia
floating down the stream in the pre-Raphaelite painting of Millais. It was
not ruined by war. Its Christian inhabitants were expelled from their
houses well after the 1948 war. They were told to leave for a week or two,
for "security" reasons. They had no option but to believe the Israeli
officers and move out. Their village was dynamited, their church
surrounded by barbed wire. They went to Israeli court, they went to the
government, commissions were appointed and petitions signed. Nothing
helped. Ever since, for 50 years, they have lived in the nearby villages
and on Sundays they continue to visit their church. Their lands were
seized by their Jewish neighbors, but they still bring their dead to be
buried in the church graveyard, under the sign of the cross.
Until the arrival of the Israeli army, this ruined village with its
orphaned church was the home of the rural Christians of Birim who, for
centuries of Moslem rule, lived in peace with their Moslem neighbors of
Nebi Yosha and with the old Sephardi Jewish community of nearby Safed.
This little Guernica in the Galillee can single-handedly undermine the
myth of a "Judeo-Christian" civilization opposing a "monstrous" Islam.
This myth lays at the foundation of the Christian Zionist movement; among
its fervent supporters, one can find a friend of Mark Rich and a newly
minted New York citizen, W. J. Clinton.
The problems of the Middle East are ugly enough without the current
Moslem-bashing. The pro-Israeli pundits of the New York Times quote the
blood-curling verses on Jihad, retell the old traditions of religious wars
and persecutions, to "prove" Islam's cruelty and intolerance. They are
repeated by a pleasant upper-class Jewish lady from London, Barbra Amiel.
In a sotto voce, she writes about "exclusivist" Islam and Jewish
"moderation". In order to incite hatred, Israelís lobby works all the
ropes. Before the rise of Israel, Arab sheiks were depicted as romantic
heroes in movies acted by Rudolf Valentino. Nowadays, the pro-Israel
producers of Hollywood turn out propaganda films on ill-shaven Moslem
terrorists with the subtlety of Edward D. Wood, Jr. This new prejudice is
amplified a hundredfold by the Christian Zionist Congress, claiming
"protection for Christians of Palestine from the Moslem (?!) persecution".
These people obviously have not walked among the ruins of Birim.
Another email comes into my laptop, this time from Gaza. An American girl,
Alison Weir from San Francisco evades Israeli bullets, comforts the scared
Palestinian kids, and writes: "The problem is when you know the truth, it
is far too cruel, far too diametrically opposite what we used to think and
what everyone still thinks to express. The lie is too big, the repression
too complete, the Palestinians' lives too horrible to write about
reasonably".
Well, Alison is right. We face a huge lie, an anti-Moslem blood libel, and
it is time to stop it. I do not think that the problems of Middle East
have anything to do with religion. But if the supporters of Israel want to
wake up the sleeping ghost of religious intolerance, to incite Christians
against Moslems, let us audit their balance.
If these Christian Zionists care for Christ, not only for Zion, let them
learn what Jews and Moslems feel towards Christ. Rami Rozen expressed the
Jewish tradition in a long feature in a major Israeli newspaper
Haaretz[i]: "Jews feel towards Jesus today what they felt in 4 c or in the
Middle Ages: It is not fear, it is hatred and despise" [sic]. "For
centuries, Jews concealed from Christians their hate to Jesus, and this
tradition continues even now". "He is revolting and repulsive", said an
important modern religious Jewish thinker. Rozen writes that this
"repulsion passed from the observant Jews to the general Israeli public".
On Christmas Eve, according to a report in the Jerusalem local paper, Kol
Ha-Ir[ii], Hassids customarily do not read holy books, as it could save
Jesus from eternal punishment (the Talmud teaches that Jesus boils in
hell[iii]). This custom was dying out, but Hassids of Habad, the fervent
nationalists, brought it back to life. I still remember old Jews spitting
while passing by a church, and cursing the dead, while passing by a
Christian cemetery. Last year in Jerusalem, a Jew decided to refresh the
tradition. He spat at Holy Cross, carried in the procession along the
city. Police saved him from further trouble, but the court fined him $50,
despite his claim that he just fulfilled his religious duty.
Last year, the biggest Israeli tabloid Yedioth Aharonoth reprinted in its
library the Jewish anti-Gospel, Toledoth Eshu, compiled in the Middle
Ages. It is the third recent reprint, including one in a newspaper. If the
Gospel is the book of love, Toledoth is the book of hate for Christ. The
hero of the book is Judas. He captures Jesus by polluting his purity.
According to Toledoth, the conception of Christ was in sin, the miracles
of Jesus were witchcraft, his resurrection but a trick.
Joseph Dan, a Professor of Jewish mysticism in Hebrew University in
Jerusalem, writing on the death of Jesus stated: "The modern Jewish
apologists, hesitantly adopted by the church, preferred to put the blame
on Romans. But the medieval Jew did not wish to pass the buck. He tried to
prove that Jesus had to be killed, and he was proud of killing Him. The
Jews hated and despised Christ and Christians". Actually, adds Prof. Dan,
there is little place to doubt that the Jewish enemies of Jesus caused his
execution.
Even today, Jews in Israel refer to Jesus by the demeaning word Yeshu
(instead of Yeshua), meaning "Perish his name". There is an ongoing
argument, whether His name was turned into a swear word, or other way
around. In a similar pun, the Gospel is called "Avon Gilaion", the booklet
of Sin. These are the endearing feelings of the friends of Christian
Zionists towards Christ.
What about Moslems? The Moslems venerate Christ. He is called "The Word of
God", "Logos", Messiah, the Prophet and is considered "a Messenger of
God", along with Abraham, Moses and Muhammad. Many chapters of the Kor'an
tell the story of Christ, his virgin birth and his persecution by Jews.
His saintly mother is admired, and the Immaculate Conception is one of the
tenets of Islam. The name of Christ glorifies the golden edifice of Haram
a-Sharif. According to the Moslem faith, it was there that the founder of
Islam met Jesus, and they prayed together. The Hadith, the Moslem
tradition, says in the name of the prophet, "We do not forbid you to
believe in Christ, we order you to". Moslems identify their prophet with
Paracletes, the Helper (Jn 14:16) whose coming was predicted by Jesus.
They venerate places associated with the life of Jesus: the place of
Ascension, the Tomb of Lazarus, the Holy Sepulchre are adjacent to a
mosque and perfectly accessible by Christians.
While Moslems do not consider Jesus God, they proclaim him as the Messiah,
the Anointed one, the Paradise Dweller. This religious idea, familiar to
Nestorians and other early churches, but rejected by mainstream
Christianity, opened the gates for those Jews, who could not part with the
notion of strict monotheism. That is why many Palestinian Jews and
Christians of the 7th century accepted Islam and became Palestinian
Moslems. They remained in their villages, they did not depart for Poland
or England, they did not learn Yiddish, they did not study the Talmud, but
they continued to shepherd their flocks and plant almond trees, they
remained faithful to their land and to the great idea of the fraternity of
men.
In the south of Hebron, in the ruins of Susiah, one can see how in the
course of two centuries a synagogue slowly evolved into a mosque, as the
population of nearby caves abandoned the exclusionary faith of Babylonian
wizards and adopted Islam. These shepherds still live there, in the same
caves. In the last year, the Israeli army has twice tried to expel them
to provide more room for new settlers from Brooklyn.
Why, in this season of blossoming almond trees, do I brood on the
sensitive subject of Jewish and Moslem attitudes towards Christ? Because
one has to stop the mills of hatred operated by Israel's supporters.
Because the "Judeo-Christian" code language is being used to justify the
barbed wire around Birim's Church and the tanks around Bethlehem. Because
there is a duty to remove an obstacle from the path of the blind.
The majority of the Christian Zionists are simple misled souls, people of
good intentions but little knowledge. They think they "support Jews", but
they promote the Christ-hating spirit among the Jews. It was not in vain
that a hero of the Zionist Bible, Exodus by Leon Uris, kept a poster in
his room saying "We crucified Christ". It was not in vain that an
Israeli soldier on the roadblock of Bethlehem told me yesterday, "We
starve the beasts", referring to the native Christians of the city of
Nativity. It was not in vain that the Gospel was burned on a stake in
Israel, while anti-Gospel literature is widely spread; that new immigrant
Jews embracing Christianity are persecuted and deported; that every
preacher of the Christian faith in Israel can be sent to jail according to
new anti-Christian laws; that Israeli archaeologists erase the Christian
holy sites and memories off the face of the Holy Land.
To the leaders of the Christian Zionists, who surely know these facts, but
lead their innocent flock on the path of the Anti-Christ, I say, "Whoever
causes one of these little ones who believe in Christ to sin, it would be
better for him to have a large millstone tied round his neck and be
drowned in the deep sea" (Mt 18:6).
To my Jewish brothers I say: the opinions of medieval Jews do not bind us.
Every Jew can decide for himself, whether to pray for the destruction of
the Gentiles or to share the blessing of the Holy Land with the villagers
of Birim and Bethlehem. Within the Jewish people, there were always
spiritual descendants of the prophets who wished to bring peace and
blessing to all the children of Adam. As true as this almond blossom, in
you the prophecy will be fulfilled: "All the nations of the earth will
bless you" (Deut. 7).
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Agnon, Joyce and Chandler into Russian. His articles The Rape of Dulcinea,
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Related to the above article is the following which shows the hatred Jews
have for Jesus and Christians. These writings come from the Hasidic
Lubavitch movement and they are Orthodox. This is the same religious body
which Senator Joseph Lieberman associates himself with. When you read the
following just imagine how close America came to having a Vice President
(who is only a heart beat away from being the president) who accepts the
following Anti-Christ bigotry. Their own words people!
Subject: What Jews Teach About non-Jews and Their Souls (In Their Own
Words)--R 2 --REPOST
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http://www.chabad.org/calendar/
(Main Page) Chabad in Cyberspace
Click search and you come to this link:
http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/
Enter into their "search engine" these words: non-Jew soul
and here is what you get:
1: Interview with the Lubavitcher Rebbe
http://www.chabad.org/miracle.htm
Torah the answers to their struggles and concerns. Throughout his years
of leadership, beginning in 1950, the Rebbe, in his inimitable style,
applied the depths of Torah scholarship to virtually every area of
life.... (18K)
Excerpt: " This afternoon we heard a lecture by Dr. Block in which he
explained that a Jew has a Divine spark. He didn't say explicitly, but he
intimated that only a Jew has this Divine spark but a non-Jew does not. Is
this so? To illustrate from the body again. Each part has its own
function: the brain to think, the heart to feel, and the legs to carry one
about. So the mission of a Jew in life is to transform the physicality of
the world into spiritual, divine. The non-Jew has a different purpose and
therefore the two do not have the same Divine spark."
2: Insights to Passover Haggadah
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/update/files/g3.htm
The word "Seder" means order. Everything we do tonight, must be done in
proper order. The Holy revelations on Pesach night are similar to the
Divine revelation at the time of Yetzias Mitzraim. Hashem wants the
Kedusha... (31K)
Excerpt: " ANSWER: In order to avoid assimilation our sages instituted
certain ordinances. Among them is the prohibition to drink wine which is
handled by a non-Jew. Throughout history the world has endeavored to
physically annihilate us. Many efforts have been made to detach us from
Hashem and Torah and thus destroy us spiritually. We lift the cup of wine
to indicate that thanks to our adherence to the command of not mingling
with the world by "drinking wine" in their company, we averted their every
effort to destroy us."
(Special Note from Doc Tavish: The Jewish Talmud even elaborates on the
above with this passage: "Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything to a
Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all
Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us
openly." Jewish Talmud You all can see how the writings complement each
other!)
3: Wellsprings
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/exodus/006/w7.htm
And those who repose in the dust will arise and sing." Sichos In English
22 Shvat, 5755 THREE INTERPRETATIONS THREE CATEGORIES OF MITZVOS
On the verse: [1] "These are the judgments which you shall place before
them,"... (27K)
Excerpt: " With regard to eidus, and surely with regard to chukim, there
is no need to forewarn against approaching non-Jewish judges, for it is
plainly obvious that non-Jewish judges do not share any connection to
these matters. Their rulings depend on human intellect, and they have no
connection to subjects which transcend human intellect."
4: The Chassidic Dimension
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/genesis/003/w2.htm
The Midrash comments: "While Avraham was traveling in Aram Naharayim.
he observed the inhabitants eating, drinking and acting frivolously and
wantonly. He said: 'I wish to have no part in this land.' When he
arrived... (18K)
Excerpt: " In the book " In The Ladder Up (Building Block No. 6)" it was
explained that Jews have a neshamah. This is the functional difference
between Jews and non-Jews. There is no Jew alive, no matter how he denies
his Judaism, who has not felt an affinity for another Jew which he cannot
explain. We can describe the neshamah. It is explained in Tanya that the
neshamah is a part of HaShem enclothed in the nefesh (soul) of a Jew. This
is the specific difference between Jews and non-Jews. Jews have a
neshamah, Gentiles do not."
(Special Note from Doc Tavish: The usage of the term "Nefesh" is meant to
claim that only Jews have a "divine soul" as shown here:
http://www.utexas.edu/depts/cjso/ChaiTimes/v2.2/Intermarriage.txt
(Link active for verification 2/24/2001) "There is no Intermarriage!
by Sam Kochman... ..., people must understand the difference between a Jew
and a non-Jew. There is one difference between a Jew and a non-Jew. A Jew
has a Nefesh, a divine soul, which a non Jew does not have. This soul is
part of G-d and this is what makes us Jews, not how many mitzvahs we do or
how good a person we are. The divine union of marriage is between
Nefeshot(two souls). When a Jew "marries" a non-Jew this union cannot
occur because there are not two souls to combine." Their very own words
people-- NOT mine!)
[...]
9: Wellsprings
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/genesis/009/w7.htm
Divine service of every Jew. To summarize in brief: a) divine service
involves work, not leisure; b) achdus, unity, is the first stage in these
efforts; and c) the success of these endeavors, and our source of
strength... (21K)
Excerpt: " This points to a difference of a larger scale between Jews and
non-Jews. Even while a Jew is involved with material concerns, he is
living on two planes simultaneously. Not only is he involved with the
material concerns of this world, he shares a connection to the spiritual
truth of the World to Come."
10: Torah Studies - Adaptation of Likutei Sichos
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/genesis/011/w2.htm
Yosef sustained his father and brothers." In light of the above, our Sages
interpret the verse: "Who leads the flock of Yosef," to mean that all the
people of Israel are known by the name Yosef, for it was he who... (18K)
Excerpt: " During this week every Jew will experience the commencement for
the year of the process of golus. Golus, by definition, is an evil. When a
Jew is without his roots, estranged from his spiritual base he experiences
golus. For most Jews today, golus is the time when, engulfed by his
non-Jewish environment, he succumbs to some sort of assimilation or
compromise of his Jewishness.
[Tavish comment: Notice that golus aka evil is compared to a non-Jewish
environment!]
There are still even more! The page has a link to go to:
"Hits 11-20 of a potential 733 hits."
These are only the first of 733 Hits!
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Subject: Jewish Anti-Christ Communist Sympathy and Identification With
Communists --
Jewish Communist Sympathy and Identification With Communists
From Chabad Lubavitch Cyberspace Website
In Their Own Words Series
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http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/
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http://www.chabad.org/shavuos/besht.html
Baal Shem Tov
Happy Birthday, Baal Shem Tov! by Tzvi Freeman, author of "Bringing Heaven
Down to Earth - 365 Meditations of the Rebbe" Vivo Icon Listen to stories
of the Baal Shem Tov. Requires Vivo Plugin The Lubavitch Library...
Excerpt: " By the way, that year -- 1848 -- also occupies a central place
in the secular calendar. It was called the "year of revolutions" in
Europe, the most significant year in the fall of the old order. And
another major work by a very different Jewish author was published: The
Communist Manifesto of Karl Marx."
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/update/odysseys/episode.008.htm
My Life with the Online Hasidim
Rabbi Perl was ecstatic: "Can you imagine? Five children! I found five
Jewish children!" Photo/Graphic/Quote: Donna Gaines: "I needed to stand in
a traditional synagogue again, to be where women and men are separated...
Excerpt: " Lighting Shabbes candles I felt a connection to all Jewish
women in the world. I was grasping for the roots of what my parents,
Jesus, Marx, Freud, Hannah Arendt, and Lenny Bruce had given me. In his
discussion of machinery and modern industry in Volume I of Capital, Marx
contends that technology in and of itself is neutral; in the hands of the
artisan, a machine is a tool and embodies a certain type of "dearness."
Within capitalist production, where the aim is profit maximization, the
machine is imbued with an evil nature."
http://www.inner.org/gentiles/7noachide/7princip.htm
The Seven Principles of Faith and Divine Service for a Non
Just as each of the 613 commandments of the Torah given to the Jewish
people at Sinai possesses an inner dimension, so does each of the seven
Noachide laws possess an inner dimension. These are the seven
principles...
Excerpt: " When a non-Jew does possess a sense of affinity towards Jews,
he merits inspiration from the source of the soul of Israel. He becomes
motivated to be a good person in all of his relations to his fellow man
and to devote his life to the service of G-d. The rectification of the
non-Jewish world in general depends upon the inspiration and insight which
it receives from the Jewish people. In accordance with the principle of
clarification, as defined in Kabbalah, one can always deduce or extract a
spark of good from within the context of evil. The major non-Jewish
religion of Western culture believes in an individual Jew and worships him
as god. This is certainly a great transgression (of the fourth Noachide
commandment defined above). Nonetheless, from this evil we can deduce a
principle of good. The true rectification of the non-Jewish world will
come when it will recognize the Divinely ordained purpose of the Jewish
people to enlighten the world and bring about universal peace and
prosperity..."
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/daily/tanya/leap/09end/24.htm
part.04
And yet, they failed! Of the hundreds of millions `devotees' to all these
faiths and causes, only a tiny fraction are truly faithful to them. The
overwhelming majority are self-deluding hypocrites: they take from...
Excerpt: " Believer: Secondly, they did succeed---to the extent that they
do concur with the essence of man and of creation. Communism, despite its
flaws and corruptions, has had a profound effect on our sense of social
justice. Christianity, despite the horrendous atrocities it perpetrated
and justified, played a major role in introducing, to a largely pagan
world, the concepts (though much adulterated) of a one, omnipotent and
non- corporeal G-d and of a messianic end-goal to existence."
http://www.fastlane.net/~bneinoah/life.html
CB"N - The Covenant of Everlasting Life
The idea of everlasting life is rather appealing to most folks. A somewhat
primal yearning seemingly tugs at us to somehow reclaim that certain
something which Adam and Chava lost when they sunk their teeth into...
Excerpt: " And now a personal observation, if you please: If (indeed, IF:
hypothetical speculation with such an example is, at best, an exercise of
futility - the socio-historical situation speaks for itself in the
archives of Jewish history) the righteous Jews of the Second Temple period
had taught the Seven Laws of Noah to the non-Jews, there would never have
risen a religion such as Christianity. With the knowledge that (through
the observance of the Sheva Mitzvot B nei Noach) everlasting life could be
attained as promised by Hashem to Noach, the resulting fabrication that
everlasting life could come only through belief and worship of a human
being would never have happened. Instead, as we have noted, the teaching
concerning the Covenant of the Rainbow - The Covenant of Everlasting Life,
had been forced into hiding by the vicious persecution of the Jews, and
the new covenant of Christianity was but a pagan attempt to replace the
eternal Covenant made by Hashem to Noach."
http://www.fastlane.net/~bneinoah/feb98view.html
CB"N - ViewPoint: February 1998
"Although the Jews are prohibited from speaking out against idolatry in
lands outside the land of Israel, we must keep in mind that this is our
land, that these are our people. The Bible is full of stories about what
happens to Gentile lands that do not enforce the prohibition of idolatry.
Why don't we direct our energies on doing something about the idolatry
within our own land? Christianity clearly violates the two primary Laws of
the Torah, that of idolatry and blasphemy. We need to take action. We need
to go on the offensive. We need to strive to establish courts that uphold
all of the Laws of Noah, not just a few of them. And maybe then, when the
Church is too busy trying to save its own idolatrous skin to worry about
converting the Jews, will they have the time to do other things, such as
teach us the Sheva Mitzvot."
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Subject: Bigoted Reasoning of Jews on Relations with Non-Jews From Chabad
Lubavitch Cyberspace Website
In Their Own Words Series
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All "searches" in this post were made using:
http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/
(Links active February 11, 2001)
If anyone thinks I am making a stretch accusing Jewish teachings of being
bigoted then just use this simple test: substitute Jew or Jewish with
white and non-Jew with non-white. We don't want two standards do we?
Using Keywords in the search engine: non-Jew bread
We get these examples among others:
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/genesis/008/w10.htm
The Parted Curtain - 52 steps to Fullfilment
And Yaakov sent messengers." (32:4) QUESTION: Rashi comments: "Malachim
mamash" Actual angels." What right did Yaakov have to use Hashem's angels
as his messengers? ANSWER: In the final pesukim of the previous
parshah,...
Excerpt: " ANSWER: From the fact that a non-Jew hates a Jew, a new halacha
was formulated. If two Jews are eating a meal, one eating meat and the
other dairy, they are not to share one table because they may exchange
some of their food. However, a Jew and a non-Jew are permitted to share a
table, even if one is eating meat and the other is eating dairy. The
reason is that the non-Jew hates the Jew and there will not be any
exchange of food between them."
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/leviticus/009/w6.htm
Insights to Geula
Discover Moshiach" is available in printed format with art clipings. Ideal
for use in School and Home. It is suitable for children and adults. Buy
your own printed version from Rabbi Bell * Electronic version is... (6K)
Excerpt: " The Parsha tells us that Eretz Yisroel is especially holy
during the sh'mita year. Nevertheless, the food which grows may be fed to
non- Jews. If it is so holy, why may it be given to them?"
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/numbers/008/w10.htm
Homily's in Q&A Format on the Weekly Torah Portion
And Balak saw all that Israel had done to the Amorite.And Balak was king
of Moav at that time." (22:2,4) QUESTION: Why isn't he referred to as
"king" in the first pasuk? ANSWER: Balak was not actually the king of...
Excerpt: " In an effort to prevent the Jewish people from intermarrying,
the Sages have forbidden the oil, bread and wine of non-Jews (Shabbat
17b). The word "shefi" - "alone" - is an acronym for "shemanan" - "their
oil" - "pitan" - their bread - and "yeinan" -"their wine." Consequently,
"vayeilech shefi" - he went the route of "shefi" - advising Balak to
invite the Jews to their festivities, where they would partake of
non-Jewish oil, bread and wine."
http://www.mabak.org/Havienu/html/beis_med/prhal/ph-26.html
T'VILAS KEILIM
Which vessels require immersion? The material of the vessel Electrical
appliances Eating in a Jewish restaurant or hotel 7. Disposable vessels
Who can perform the immersion? Source The Torah, in reference to the...
Excerpt: " The requirement of immersion applies to any vessels acquired
from a non-Jew, even when these are new, so long as they are to be used
with food. "Use with food" includes not only utensils in which the food is
served and eaten, but also in or with which the food is prepared, provided
the food is in its final state in this utensil. In regard to utensils
which are used in preparation of the food before this stage, such as
kneading troughs or knives used for ritual slaughter, there are differing
opinions. Hence, they should be immersed, but without a brocho."
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/daily/rambam/daily/Day-092-104/DAY-095.htm
DAY-095
The Torah lists all the non-kosher birds that are not to be eaten.
Research of that list has shown some common characteristics between the
birds that are forbidden as food. Almost all the prohibited birds are
hunters....
Excerpt: " The Torah tells us that some types of food are just not right
for us. Our Neshamah is, in a sense, "allergic" to these foods. The
Neshamah of non-Jews are not affected by eating these foods."
NOTE: Neshamah is the soul and Jews teach that only Jews have Divine Souls
which non-Jews do not have!
LOOK!
Using Keywords in the search engine: Neshamah non-Jew
We get these examples among others:
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/genesis/003/w2.htm
The Chassidic Dimension
The Midrash comments: "While Avraham was traveling in Aram Naharayim. he
observed the inhabitants eating, drinking and acting frivolously and
wantonly. He said: 'I wish to have no part in this land.' When he
arrived...
Excerpt: " In the book " In The Ladder Up (Building Block No. 6)" it was
explained that Jews have a neshamah. This is the functional difference
between Jews and non-Jews. There is no Jew alive, no matter how he denies
his Judaism, who has not felt an affinity for another Jew which he cannot
explain. We can describe the neshamah. It is explained in Tanya that the
neshamah is a part of HaShem enclothed in the nefesh (soul) of a Jew. This
is the specific difference between Jews and non-Jews. Jews have a
neshamah, Gentiles do not. The difference is manifested in two main ways:
--"
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/daily/tanya/regular/02/19.htm
Tanya (Regular Year): 19 Iyyar
Yetzer Hara also come to love G-d. And for this one must first meditate on
the contents of the blessings of the Shema, which describe the
self-nullification of the angels and other creatures. Thus, the
blessings...
Excerpt: " It is therefore impossible to say that "You have chosen us"
refers to Jewish souls, for there can be no comparison between Jewish and
non- Jewish souls, inasmuch as a Jew's soul (13) "is truly part of G-d
Above.""
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/daily/tanya/regular/08/12.htm
Tanya (Regular Year): 12 Mar Cheshvan
Vitebsk (or Horodok), who had settled in the Holy Land in 1777. It
concludes by rousing them to the mitzvah of tzedakah in general, and
particularly of maintaining the family of R. Mendel. The Alter Rebbe is
here...
Excerpt: " [This alludes to the Chayah of the tzaddik, the soul-level
which is even loftier than the soul-level called Neshamah, and which
infuses the followers of the tzaddik with a transcendent mode of
life-force which enables them to withstand challenges from non-Jewish
(i.e., unholy) sources."
http://www.inner.org/gentiles/7noachide/lowliness.htm
Lowliness - A Home for G-d
When asked to explain the difference between a Jew and a non-Jew, the
Lubavitcher Rebbe would often answer that a Jew is essentially a giver,
whereas a non-Jew is essentially a receiver. All of the stages of the...
Excerpt: " It is thus the ultimate purpose of the non-Jewish world to
create a most pleasant home for the Jewish people and to arouse them to
descend and enter in full the context of lower reality. So will the Jewish
soul bring redemption and salvation to all reality, and so will the Jewish
home become the sanctuary of G-d. We thus conclude with the thought that
the rectified relation of Jew to non-Jew is almost as one of husband to
wife. The wife, continually serving as a devoted helpmate, experiences her
existential lowliness and dependence on her husband, while the husband
senses the ultimate origin of the soul of his wife, as preceding his
own.."
DID YOU ALL NOTICE THE ROLE OF "HELPMATES" JEWS ASSIGN US? Tavish
http://www.inner.org/gentiles/7noachide/7princip.htm
The Seven Principles of Faith and Divine Service for a Non
Just as each of the 613 commandments of the Torah given to the Jewish
people at Sinai possesses an inner dimension, so does each of the seven
Noachide laws possess an inner dimension. These are the seven
principles...
Excerpt: " When a non-Jew does possess a sense of affinity towards Jews,
he merits inspiration from the source of the soul of Israel. He becomes
motivated to be a good person in all of his relations to his fellow man
and to devote his life to the service of G-d. The rectification of the
non-Jewish world in general depends upon the inspiration and insight which
it receives from the Jewish people. In accordance with the principle of
clarification, as defined in Kabbalah, one can always deduce or extract a
spark of good from within the context of evil. The major non-Jewish
religion of Western culture believes in an individual Jew and worships him
as god. This is certainly a great transgression (of the fourth Noachide
commandment defined above). Nonetheless, from this evil we can deduce a
principle of good. The true rectification of the non-Jewish world will
come when it will recognize the Divinely ordained purpose of the Jewish
people to enlighten the world and bring about universal peace and
prosperity..."
http://www.inner.org/gentiles/7noachide/NJsoul.htm
The Jewish Soul and the Non-Jewish Soul
Kabbalah teaches that every human soul possesses a full array of ten
sefirot, or spiritual powers. The first three spiritual powers are
intellectual in nature while the following seven are emotional in nature.
In...
Excerpt: "The Jewish Soul and the Non-Jewish Soul The Jewish Soul and the
Non-Jewish Soul In the Jewish, Divine soul, the three powers of the
intellect are its primary motivating force. In the soul of the non-Jew,
the seven emotive powers are its primary motivating force. In the innate
state of the non-Jewish soul the three intellectual powers are
subordinate, and serve the earthbound desires of the seven emotive
powers."
Using Keywords in the search engine: non-Jew divine soul
We get these examples among others:
http://www.chabad.org/miracle.htm
Interview with the Lubavitcher Rebbe
Torah the answers to their struggles and concerns. Throughout his years of
leadership, beginning in 1950, the Rebbe, in his inimitable style, applied
the depths of Torah scholarship to virtually every area of life.... (18K)
Excerpt: " This afternoon we heard a lecture by Dr. Block in which he
explained that a Jew has a Divine spark. He didn't say explicitly, but he
intimated that only a Jew has this Divine spark but a non-Jew does not. Is
this so? To illustrate from the body again. Each part has its own
function: the brain to think, the heart to feel, and the legs to carry one
about. So the mission of a Jew in life is to transform the physicality of
the world into spiritual, divine. The non-Jew has a different purpose and
therefore the two do not have the same Divine spark."
2: L'Chaim Weekly Newsletter
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/Archives/lchaim.w1/5755/1/344.htm
L'Chaim 344 - Vayeishev 5755
Greeks attempted to impose their culture on others. However, their aim was
not to eradicate indigenous cultures, but rather to Hellenize and
assimilate them. Thus, the Greeks were willing to recognize the Torah,...
Excerpt: " The Jew, even while living in the physical world, is intimately
connected to both the physical and spiritual realms, whereas the non-Jew
has no true attachment to spiritual matters."
Excerpt: " I trust, indeed I am quite confident, that this "wild" Project
will bring forth G-d's blessings in a correspondingly "wild" and
extraordinary measure, so that the Project will be implemented and
completed much sooner than expected, and that it will serve as a living
testimony to the vitality and strength of our Jewish people transcending
all limitations and bounds; living testimony to Jews and non-Jews alike."
EVERYONE READ THE LAST SENTENCE IN THE QUOTED EXCERPT BELOW!! THIS IS WHAT
JEWS ENVISION FOR NON-JEWS AND AFTER YOU ALL READ IT AGAIN AND AGAIN READ
WHAT I ATTACHED FROM THE BOOK OF ISAIAH! Tavish
http://www.inner.org/gentiles/7noachide/sincerity.htm
Sincerity - I am Abraham s Servant
Jew is a son of G-d whereas a non-Jew is intended to be a servant of G-d.
Although a Jew in essence is always a son, when he does not merit (to
manifest the essence of his Divine soul) he is also referred to as a...
Excerpt: " As mentioned above, a Jew is a son of G-d whereas a non-Jew is
intended to be a servant of G-d. Although a Jew in essence is always a
son, when he does not merit (to manifest the essence of his Divine soul)
he is also referred to as a servant. Though in relation to Jewish
consciousness this is definitely a fall, in relation to creation as a
whole, it serves a most positive purpose. As we have seen above, the Jew
must show the way to the non-Jew. When the Jew assumes the state of
servant he inspires the non-Jew to rise to the same calling, to become a
servant of G-d. With the advent of Mashiach, all non-Jews will willfully
serve (the Divine purpose of) the Jewish people."
The Lubavitcher Yids are spelling it out when the Jewish Messiah comes
then: ".. all non-Jews will willfully serve (the Divine purpose of) the
Jewish people."
HERE IS ISAIAH:
Isaiah 60: 9-12, 16 ;61:5,6,9 (English-KJV)
Isaiah 60
9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to
bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the
name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath
glorified thee.
10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings
shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour
have I had mercy on thee.
11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut
day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles,
and that their kings may be brought.
12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea,
those nations shall be utterly wasted.
16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the
breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and
thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
Isaiah 61
5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the
alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the
Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in
their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring
among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are
the seed which the LORD hath blessed.
WHETHER BY THEIR JUDAISM OR BY THEIR COMMUNISM-- JEWS ENVISION HAVING
NON-JEWS AS THEIR SERVANTS!!
When will non-Jews stop worshipping these anti-Christs and see them for
what they are? My admonition to all the lemmings who adore the Jews-- stop
being a blind dupe-- stop worshipping the anti-Christs who look down upon
you and will NEVER look upon you as equals! They have not changed-- you
have changed. You believe that there exists a Judeo-Christian unity but
the Jew doesn't and NEVER has!
ADMONITION TO CHRISTIANS:
If you think that it is God's will to have a partnership with Judaism
while embracing Christianity then consider:
1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you
have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be
many antichrists."
1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that
Jesus is the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those
who are trying to mislead you!"
1 John 4: 2,3 "You gain knowledge of the inspired expression from God
by this: Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as
having come in the flesh originates with God, but every inspired
expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God,
Furthermore this is the antichrist's inspired expression which you
have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world,
persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is
the deceiver and the antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not
bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a
greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his
wicked works."
That last sentence which says: "For he that says a greeting to him is
a sharer in his wicked works." is pretty strong advice!
Doc Tavish
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Doc Tavish
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Israel+Apartheid%3F&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rnum=8&seld=975522949&ic=1
From: Ron (arte...@my-deja.com)
Subject: Apartheid Laws in Israel
Date: 2000-10-19 01:10:08 PST
Apartheid Laws in Israel - The Art of The Obfuscatory Formulation
Excerpts from an article by Uzi Ornan,
published the Israeli daily Ha'aretz 17 May 1991 ( Hebrew )
It is impossible to turn one's back on reality and deny that the State
of Israel is not, likewise, an Apartheid state, and that as a result of
this, Israeli democracy - which all its leaders and political pundits
swear by - is being perverted, if not destroyed. This Apartheid has been
entrenched in a system of laws, regulations and practices which govern
the operation of state institutions. What characterizes most of those
discriminatory laws that have been legislated in various Knesset is
that on the surface, they do not appear to be discriminatory. However,
a more in-depth analysis of some of the basic ones quickly reveals the
extent to which they discriminate between "Jews" and "non-Jews". By
studying them one cannot fail to reach a conclusion, which cannot but
be embarrassing to many of us: namely, that Israel is an Apartheid
state, and the Apartheid not only manifests itself socially, but that it
is also embedded in the legal system. The following is devoted to a few of
these laws.
The 1952 Law of Entry into Israel was apparently legislated simply to
regulate entry into the country. However, all its clauses, save the one
making it obligatory to enter by way of an official border control
point, are intended to make a clear distinction between foreign
citizens who are Jewish and those who are not. Yet the words "Jew" and
"non-Jew" do not appear. So it is, for instance, that the law stipulates
that whoever "does not hold an immigration visa or immigration
certificate" can be immediately deported by the minister of the Interior,
or, can be denied a visa at any time. As for the explanation and
definition of who qualifies for an immigration visa, one must seek the
answer in another law, the Law of Return. The answer is: Jews.
However, the authority vested in the minister of the Interior to deny
entry to foreign citizens if there is reason to suspect they may harm
the public is only applicable to non-Jews. The minister of the Interior
does not have the authority to deny any Jew - even if he's a scoundrel
of the first order who can be counted on to do harm - the right to settle
in Israel. The reason: Jews do not need permits to settle in
Israel....Jews arriving in Israel from abroad are almost immediately given
all the rights and privileges that Israeli Jews enjoy....Furthermore, they
immediately acquire the right to vote in elections and to be elected to
the Knesset - even if they do not speak a word of Hebrew.
While the minister of the Interior has the authority - albeit,
authority which cannot be exercised without great difficulties - to
deny "immigration visas" to Jews, once a Jew enters the country, the
minister of Interior cannot do anything about it, and does not even have
the authority to withdraw residence permits from undesirables. In regard
to non-Jews, the situation is quite different: the minister of the
Interior can withdraw their permits even if they have been living here for
years. We have witnessed how swindlers and common criminals have succeeded
in receiving Israeli citizenship, not to mention those who even managed to
get themselves elected to the Knesset. It wasn't the Law of Return that
allowed them to do so, it was the law governing entry to Israel, which
in turn is based on the Citizenship laws of 1952.
The Citizenship Laws of 1952 are a pinnacle in the annals of the art of
obfuscation. Even though the word "Jew" is not mentioned at all in
these laws, it is, in its entirety, based on the distinction between
"Jews" and "non-Jews". This is one of the pillars of the Israel Apartheid
regime, alongside a plethora of other laws, regulations and practices, for
"Jews" and "non-Jews". They include: the educational system; the
regulations of the Israel Lands Authority (which sees to maintaining
segregation on the ground); and the religious marriage laws, which do not
exist in conjunction with civil marriage laws.
(...)
Like in every state, a foreign citizen who wishes to become a citizen
of Israel can do so, and the regulations governing his acquisition of
citizenship are similar to those which exist in many other countries.
The basic condition is that candidates must have resided in Israel for
a number of years. Likewise, before citizenship is granted, the candidate
must pledge his allegiance to the State of Israel. In contrast, Jews
are not required to swear a pledge of allegiance to the State of Israel.
So it is that a Satmar Hassid, who has the utmost contempt for the
existence of the state, and perhaps even translates this into action, can
immediately become a citizen, with the right to vote in Knesset
elections.... Moreover, only ["Jews"]have the right to retain their former
citizenship even after becoming Israeli citizens, while "non-Jews" are
obliged to renounce it before becoming Israeli citizens.
The obfuscation does not end here. Take for instance the regulations
governing the "joint authority of the Israel government and the Jewish
Agency". These regulations are discussed as though they were applicable
to all Israeli citizens. But when one reads them through, it quickly
becomes apparent that rights granted to "returning residents" are meant
solely for Jews: those who are not Jews have to pay full duty on all
the articles they transport from the place of residence abroad, and are
not granted any housing or education benefits upon returning to the
country, after, perhaps, a few years of study abroad....
Blatant discrimination against non-Jews can also be found in other laws
dealing with the acquisition of property, government support for
young couples, educational curricula, and government expenditure for
schools, to cite just a few examples. The routine means for enforcing
discrimination is the ID card, which everyone is obliged to carry at
all times. ID cards list "nationality", which can be Jewish, Arab,
Druze, Circassian, Samaritan, Kara'ite, or foreign. When a person presents
his ID card to a policeman, a security official, or to a clerk at a
government office whose services he requires, they can know which "sector"
he belongs to and treat him accordingly, or, refer him to those who are
responsible for dealing with his "sector". Up to now all the attempts
to force the minister of the Interior to also accept the entry of
"Israeli" nationality have failed. Those who have attempted to do so have
received a letter from the ministry of the Interior. While the
letterhead is one of the "State of Israel", the letter states that "it was
decided not to recognize an Israeli nationality". By the way, every person
has the right to demand that the nationality entry in their ID remain
blank, and the ministry of the Interior must honor this demand.
Another law, the 1986 Military Service Law, which superficially does
not appear to be discriminatory in any way, is, by dint of the wily
formula used in conjunction with the "nationality" entry in the census, a
destructive tool of discrimination and oppression. The term "draftee"
which appears therein applies to every Israeli citizen or permanent
resident, as does the term "candidate for military conscription". In other
words, a "draftee" - i.e. , someone who has not yet reported to the draft
board - is a universal term and equally applicable to all citizens. How is
it then, that this law has become a major tool for implementing
discriminatory policies ? The answer is: by the way of a simple and at
first glance innocent ploy. It appears in section three, which deals with
how citizens are to be called to report for military service: a special
person is appointed to be "the enumerator"; his job is to call draftees to
register with the draft board and he "is authorized to order draftees
and candidates for conscription to report [to the draft board]". The law
uses the term "authorized", and in so doing leaves open the possibility
for the enumerator to abstain from calling on "draftees" to report. And it
is clear that those who the enumerator does not call do not have to
report, and are therefore exempt from army service. In practice it is much
simpler: those whose IDs list them as belonging to the "Arab sector"
are not called by the enumerator.
Why are Arab teenagers not called to serve in the army ? The two
reasons usually given are nothing more than a pretext. The "moral"
reasons runs as follows: How can an Arab be asked to fight against his
brother ? This ignores something we have witnessed more than once, namely,
that Arabs kill other Arabs - whether in terrorist attacks or on the
battlefield...The same could apply to Israeli citizens, be they Arab of
other non-Jews, if they were to feel that their induction into the Israeli
Army was justified. But this will only come about when they feel
themselves equal citizens, and that the state of Israel is protecting
them, and respecting their rights, treating them no differently than other
citizens....It would be pointless to waste much time on the second reason
- "for reasons or security". Both Jews and non-Jews have been exposed as
spies and traitors. Indeed, there is ample reason to believe that the ones
who were the most dangerous were Jews. In the same way that being a
"Jew" does not vouchsafe automatic loyalty to Israel, the label "Arab" is,
likewise, not a means of identifying those ready to commit treason or
engage in espionage.
Once a citizen has not been called on to report by the enumerator,
discrimination and persecution follow. Such is the lot of those [of
non-Jews] who do not serve in the army. Many places of employment and
residence become off limits, as the demands of employment and regulations
governing the leasing of homes or lands in the hands of various public
and governmental bodies stipulate that candidates must be "draftees".
So it is, for instance, that Mohammed Borkan did not succeed in
remaining in his flat in the Old City of Jerusalem. One of the basic
conditions for being allowed to lease the flats (which were expropriated
for the "public good") is that the leasee must be a "draftee". Take note:
the term "draftee" also applies to yeshiva students [students of Jewish
theology] who have not served in the army. The enumerator does call on
them to report, and that is enough for them to be included in the category
of those who have privileges, even if their contact with the army ends at
this point.
One can list many more Apartheid laws, but we will stop at this
point....The Apartheid mindset has always been part and parcel of
Judaism. Take for example the age of Ezra and Nehemia (ca. 450-430 BC).
All the restrictions and rules incorporated into the Jewish religion were
intended to preserve the purity of the strain against contamination from
the Gentiles....Apartheid is so powerful a mindset in this society, that
its existence and preservation is championed by all the members of the
"Zionist parties", including those who believe themselves to be in the
vanguard of the struggle for socialism, peace and equal rights. We have
yet to hear them speak out against the existence of two categories of
citizens, or in favor of a comprehensive Israeli school system, or in
favor of the abolition of restrictions on where Jews and Arabs are
allowed to live. One gets the impression that their energetic struggle for
the establishment of a Palestinian state and their vocal opposition to
Jewish "settlements" on the other side of the green line is based on their
desire to preserve a "Jewish state", something which allows and, in the
eyes of many of them, even justifies the retention of discriminatory laws,
and the privileges granted to the Jews.
Everyone who supports democracy and is concerned about the future of
Israel, should place the abolition of the Apartheid regime that exists
here at the top of his list of priorities. And not only leftists, but
also those with liberal views on the right. Those who say we must be
ready to "give up a lot for the sake of peace" should to so in good faith:
abolish Israel's Apartheid laws and grant non-Jewish resident (sic) the
ability to identify fully with the state.
<END>
There you have it folks. The above is how non-Jews are treated in Israel!
Also see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Israel+Apartheid%3F&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rnum=4&seld=968683447&ic=1
"[southnews] Israel's apartheid"
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Israel+Apartheid%3F&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rnum=9&seld=953214519&ic=1
"ISRAEL'S APARTHEID MUST END!"
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Israel+Apartheid%3F&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rnum=3&seld=925590940&ic=1
"Israel Apartheid?.."
Doc Tavish
---
"Terms of a truce. Were I authorized to represent the Ukrainian position
in negotiating with Jews a cessation of verbal hostilities, I might open
with "If you stop fabricating lies about us, we will stop disclosing the
Doc Tavish
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
http://www.shamash.org/tanach/tanach/commentary/oxford-judaism/capitalism-communism
(Link active February 24, 2001)
<FAIR USE INTENDED -- NON-PROFIT>
[Edited for brevity by Doc Tavish]
This section is from the document '/Jewish Lists/oxford-judaism/930810'.
From shm...@chochma.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 10 12:53:29 1993
To: Jewis...@chochma.demon.co.uk, OxfordS...@chochma.demon.co.uk,
An...@chochma.demon.co.uk
Subject: Capitalism, Communism, and Technology in Jewish Thought
Dear Oxford-Judaism Subscribers,
Behold... the latest essay. This one is an unedited one about the
medium you are using to access these thoughts... computers, as well
as communism and capitalism. All comments are of course welcome.
All the best,
Shmuley
********************************************************
[...]
The Individual vs. the Community
Perhaps most importantly, the Torah discusses communism. It is
contrasted with the evils of capitalism. But first let us digress for
a moment to discover what capitalism and communism might really mean.
How could one sum up the whole of human history and existence in a
single idea? For me, the human condition is primarily characterised
by the struggle between the self and the community. When we are born,
we feel at one with the world: when the room is cold it feels as
though the whole universe is cold, when we are hungry we think the
whole of creation is hungry, and when we are loved we feel that
everything is loved. It is only through the process of learning how
to cope with the world that we come to see ourselves as disconnected
from those people and things which surround us. We learn to
categorise and we learn to separate, and in doing so we learn to be
selfish. The rest of our lives is the journey back to feeling part of
a community, but through choice and not unawareness, through
knowledge, not ignorance.
It is not surprising that the journey to community is a difficult
one. We are afraid to be alone, but are unwilling to depend on other
people. We like ourselves more than anyone else, but we feel guilty
if we are discovered behaving selfishly. I like the social benefits I
get from living in Britain (free higher education, the welfare state,
the National Health Service), but I don't actually enjoy paying my
taxes.
The major political systems of the world express this internal
struggle: reduced to an almost absurd essence, capitalism thinks that
the community is served by focusing on the individual, communism
thinks the individual is served by putting the rights of the
community first.
Of course, this struggle was not discovered by Marx: he was simply
the one who expressed it for the modern secular world. Thousands of
years before, the Bible had focused on this issue.
[...]
A Jewish Approach to Communism
Still, Abarbanel's comments on the nature of Capitalism as evil must
make us think again about the typical Jewish reaction to Communism.
Since Marxism has often taken the form of an extremely G-dless
totalitarian tool, it has been easy to dismiss such an ideology as
something that Judaism could never embrace.
However, G-dlessness is not a necessary characteristic of Communism.
Communism can even be described as a moral alternative to the
material excesses of Capitalism. To cite a contemporary Jewish
example: there are many kibbutzim in Israel who live by the standards
of economic collectivism, while religious kibbutzim uphold the banner
of Jewish observance. On the other hand, many kibbutzim are not only
non-religious but even violently anti-religious, such as the
Shomer-Haztair movement. The fact that a community in Israel adopts
the kibbutz way of life does not force a person in either direction,
and the adoption of Communism is not necessarily linked to atheism
either.
[...]
The Failure of Communism
The most common response in the west has been that the answer lies
simply in the failure of Communism. Communism failed, therefore
Capitalism must be right.
According to Capitalism, what led the Soviet Union to its final
collapse more than any other reason was the complete failure of its
economic system. The Soviet economy, industry, harvest, and produce
were all in a shambles. People simply got tired of walking into a
store in which all the shelves were empty. The reason for this
complete breakdown was surely the lack of impetus and motivation on
the part of the workers. When each is paid according to what the need
is and not according to how much he or she produces, it becomes
foolish to put in a harder day's work than one's fellow. 'Why should
I? Will my family benefit as a result of being a more devoted
employee? Will that family vacation that I have always dreamed about
become any more of a reality?' The people could see that the ideals
of Marx had not been achieved, and were dissatisfied. So the Soviet
Union stagnated, whereas western materialism flourished- at least for
those empowered economically.
Lubavitch as a Socialist Collectivist System
The standard capitalist approach is vastly incomplete and even
un-Jewish because it assumes, as its basic premise, that people can
only be motivated by reason of material gain...
...This seems to be the kind of thing that Judaism should be
encouraging everyone to do, not just Chassidim. Instead of having
Capitalism ingrained into our religion, surely Judaism could have
set up a system whereby everyone is paid according to their needs,
while encouraging everyone to exert themselves to the utmost in
order to bring about a better world?
[...]
The lure of money
The Torah is obsessed with the notion that we must strive to better
the world in which we live and improve the lot of humankind itself.
But it could have made non-material gains much more of a priority if
it had removed the distracting motivation of financial compensation,
and support for a capitalist economic system, from the picture.
[...]
Prematurely perfect
Communism is not wrong, because the ideals of sharing and community
are right; nor is it an inherently unG-dly regime, as we have seen in
the case of the kibbutzim... ...The problem with communism is that,
although we can imagine a perfect communist state in which wealth is
distributed evenly and fairly, the mechanisms that achieved this would be
impersonal.
<END>
Remember that another Jewish group made apologia for communism too and
here is what I am talking about:
Jewish Communist Sympathy and Identification With Communists
From Chabad Lubavitch Cyberspace Website
In Their Own Words Series
All "searches" in this post were made using:
<END>
In the words of Jews themselves people! Their own words!
When will non-Jews stop worshipping these anti-Christs and see them for
what they are? My admonition to all the lemmings who adore the Jews-- stop
being a blind dupe-- stop worshipping the anti-Christs who look down upon
you and will NEVER look upon you as equals! They have not changed-- you
have changed. You believe that there exists a Judeo-Christian unity but
the Jew doesn't and NEVER has!
Doc Tavish
Racman01
"Kenneth McVay, OBC" wrote:
> In article <97bjuu$24ku$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
> bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
>
> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> How many of them were Jewish.
>
On the number, I can not help, however on how many where jewish, now lets see,
here are a handful, I could post more but why bother, there was:
Grigory Apfelbaum (Zinoviev): executive, Soviet Secret
Police. Solomon Lozovsky: deputy Soviet foreign minister. Maxim Wallach
(Litvinov): Soviet foreign minister. Yuri Andropov: director, Soviet KGB,
later supreme dictator of the Soviet Union.
Jacob Sverdlov: first president of the Soviet Union. Sverdlov ordered the
massacre of the Czar's family--women and children--in the town named after
Catherine the Great, Yekaterinburg, (renamed Sverdlovsk in 1924 in honor of
the murderer).
Jacob Yurovsky: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Yurovsky led the death
squad which carried out Sverdlov's order for the murder of the Czar's
family, including the bayoneting to death of the Czar's daughters. The
Ipatyev house, where, in the basement, the massacre had occurred, stood
intact until 1977, when the local Communist party boss at that time, Boris
Yeltsin, ordered it demolished, lest it become a shrine to anti-Jewish
sentiment.
Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich: chief mass murderer
for Stalin, ordered the deaths of millions and the wholesale
destruction of Christian monuments and churches, including the great
Cathedral of Christ the Savior. Standing amid the rubble of the cathedral,
Kaganovich proclaimed, "Mother Russia is cast down. We have ripped away her
skirts." ("N.Y. Times", Sept. 26, 1995).
Mikhail Kaganovich: deputy commissar of heavy industry, supervisor of slave
labor, brother of Lazar. Rosa Kaganovich: Stalin's mistress; sister of
Lazar. Paulina Zhemchuzina: member of the Central Committee and wife of
Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov. Olga Bronstein: officer, Soviet Cheka
Secret Police, sister of Trotsky, wife of Kamenev.
Genrikh Yagoda: chief of Soviet Secret Police, mass murderer extraordinaire.
(Jewish poet Romain Rolland, winner of the Nobel Prize, wrote a hymn of
praise to Yagoda).
Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel: founders, the Gulag death camp system.
Lev Inzhir, commissar for Soviet death camp transit and administration.
Boris Berman: executive officer of the Soviet Secret Police and brother of
Matvei. K.V. Pauker: chief of operations, Soviet NKVD Secret Police.
Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk: commissars of death camps and slave labor,
supervised the mass deaths of laborers during the construction of the White
Sea--Baltic Canal.
M.I. Gay: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Slutsky and Shpiegelglas:
commanders, Soviet Secret Police. Isaac Babel: officer, Soviet Secret
Police.
Leiba Lazarevich Feldbin (Aleksandr Orlov): commander, Soviet Red Army;
officer, Soviet Secret Police. Feldbin was chief of Soviet Security in the
Spanish Civil War. He supervised the massacre of Catholic priests and
peasants in Spain.
Yona Yakir: general, Soviet Red Army, member of the Central Committee.
Dimitri Shmidt: general, Soviet Red Army. Yakov ("Yankel") Kreiser: general,
Soviet Red Army. Miron Vovsi: general, Soviet Red Army.
David Dragonsky: general, Soviet Red Army, Hero of the Soviet Union. Grigori
Shtern: general, Soviet Red Army. Mikhail Chazkelevich: general, Soviet Red
Army. Shimon Kirvoshein: general, Soviet Red Army. Arseni Raskin:
deputy-commander, Soviet Red Army. Haim Fomin, commander of Brest-Litovsk,
Soviet Red Army. At least one hundred Soviet generals were Jewish (cf.
"Canadian Jewish News", April 19, 1989).
Generals who were not themselves Jewish often had Jewish wives. Among these
were Marshal Voroshilov, Marshal Bulganin, Marshal Peresypkin and General
Pavel Sudoplatov (Sudoplatov assassinated hundreds of Christian leaders
including Ukranian Catholic Archbishop Teodor Romzha). This Jewish wife
"insurance policy" extended to Politburo members such as Andrei Andreyev and
Leonoid Brezhnev.
Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which depicted
Christian peasants (kulaks) as hideous, money-grabbing parasites. The kulaks
were subsequently massacred. (Cf. for example Eisenstein's Bezhin Meadow).
KOMZET: commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land seized
from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American financier
Julius Rosenwald.
Ilya Ehrenburg, Minister of Soviet Propaganda and disseminator of
anti-German hate material dating from the 1930s. Ehrenburg instigated the
Soviet Red Army rape and murder of German civilians. Referring to German
women, Ehrenburg gloated to the advancing Red Army troops, "that blonde hag
is in for a bad time."
In a leaflet addressed to Soviet troops, Ehrenburg wrote: "...the Germans
are not human beings...nothing gives us so much joy as German
corpses." (Anatol Goldberg, Ilya Ehrenburg, p. 197). Goldberg concedes that
Ehrenburg, "...had always disliked the Germans...now that there was a war on
he turned his old prejudice into an asset." (Ibid., p. 193).
Another publication distributed to the Red Army, this time as the
soldiers approached Danzig, was described by a historian: "Millions
of leaflets were air-dropped on the troops with a message composed by the
propagandist Ilya Ehrenburg and signed by Stalin: 'Soldiers of the Red Army!
Kill the Germans! Kill all Germans! Kill! Kill! Kill!" (Christopher Duffy,
"Red Storm on the Reich").
The Soviet leadership acknowledged that Ehrenburg sought the extermination
of the entire German people (cf. "Pravda", April 14, 1945. [Pravda was also
published in a Yiddish edition, "Einikeyt"). Ehrenburg won the Order of Lenin
and the Stalin Prize. He willed his papers to the Israeli Yad Vashem
'Holocaust' Museum.
Solomon Mikhoels: commissar of Soviet propaganda. Soviet film propagandists:
Mark Donsky, Leonid Lukov, Yuli Reisman, Vasily Grossman,Yevgeny
Gabrilovich, Boris Volchok and Lillian Hellman (old movies written by her
continue to be broadcast on American telelvision).
Soviet propagandist: Yevgeny Khaldei who staged the photo of the raising of
the hammer and sickle flag over the Reichstag in Berlin, May 2, 1945.
Afterward, a special plane was waiting to fly Khaldei, Stalin's top Tass
photographer, to a Moscow lab, where his photo was further doctored (loot
displayed on one of the Soviet soldier's wrists was removed in the negative
and Khaldei added clouds and smoke to the scene for dramatic effect (see
photo of Khaldei and his beloved flag at left). Khaldei continued to work as
a premier Soviet propagandist until his retirement from "Pravda" in 1972. His
Communist propaganda is proudly on display at the Jewish Museum of New York
and the Jewish Museum of San Francisco. "N.Y. Times" writer Vicki Goldberg
exulted in the raising of the blood-drenched Soviet flag, emblem of the
slaughter of millions of peasants and Christians; describing it as, "...a
national (and worldwide) symbol of triumph, justice and revenge." (Jan. 31,
1997, p. B-26).
Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (JAC): new form of the Bolshevik YEVKOM,
Stalin's recruiting conduit for funding money, supplies and political
influence for Soviet Russia from world Jewry as well as the dissemination of
gas chamber atrocity propaganda (cf. "The Black Book").
Nikolai Bukharin: Lenin's chief theorist. Samuel Agursky: commissar. Karl
Radek: member, Central Committee. Mikhail Gruzenberg (Borodin) commissar.
A.A. Yoffe: commissar. David Ryazanov: advisor to Lenin. Lev Grigorievich
Levin: physician, poisoner of Stalin's enemies. Lev Rosenfeld (Kamenev):
member of the Central Committee.
Ivan Maisky: Soviet Ambassador to Britain. Itzik Solomonovich Feffer:
commissar, Soviet Secret Police. Abraham Sutskever: Soviet
terrorist-partisan. Mark Osipovich Reizen: Soviet propagandist, winner of
three Stalin Prizes. Lev Leopold Trepper: Soviet espionage officer.
Bela Kun (Kohen): supreme dictator of Hungary in 1919. Kun was later
Stalin's chief terrorist in the Crimea. Kun's eventual successor was Matyas
Rakosi, Jewish Communist mass murderer of Christians in Hungary. According
to the Jewish Telegraph Agency of May 14, 1997, Jews "...played key roles in
ushering Communist rule into Hungary. In fact, during the brutal oppression
of the early 1950s, the regime's top five leaders were Jews. "
Zakharovich Mekhlis: top executioner for Stalin. Henrykas Zimanas: leader of
Lithuanian communist terrorists, butcher of Christians.
Moshe Pijade (sometimes spelled Piade): commander, Yugoslav Communist
People's Army. Tito's top butcher of hundreds of thousands of Croatian
Christians. Pijade later served as president of the Yugoslav Communist
Parliament. At least eighteen generals in the Yugoslav Communist People's
Army were Jewish. The Yugoslavian communist party sent massive arms
shipments to Jewish fighters in Palestine in the 1940s.
In post-war Poland that nation was completely dominated by Jewish
communists: the torturer Jacek Rozanski, head of the Secret Police;
the Politboro commander Jacob Berman and commissars Minc,
Specht (Olszewski) and Spychalski. These men murdered
or deported to Kolyma and the other Arctic death camps, tens of
thousands of Catholic Poles.
According to Jewish researcher John Sack, "In 1945 many Poles felt (and not
without reason) that Jews ran the Office of State Security...the chief of
the Office was Jacob Berman, a Jew, and all or almost all the department
heads were Jews." Sack reports that 75% of the officers of the Communist
Secret Police in Silesia were Jews. He noted that many Jews in the Communist
terror apparatus in Poland changed their names to Polish ones like General
Romkowski, Colonel Rozanski, Capt. Studencki and Lt. Jurkowski. (cf. John
Sack, "The New Republic", Feb. 14, 1994, p. 6. Sack in this article also
refutes some shoddy research performed by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, author of
"Hitler's Willing Executioners", who, in the double standard typical of the
Jewish mentality, refuses to accept the proven fact that Jews ran the Polish
Communist secret police even as Goldhagen asserts the racist myth that the
entire German nation was guilty of genocide. Sack does a good job of proving
Goldhagen wrong about Poland).
In Poland, "...a disproportionate number of Communists were Jews. In 1930,
at its peak, 35% of the members of the party were Jewish. In Communist youth
organizations, Jewish membership was even higher, while Communists of Jewish
origin occupied most of the seats on the central committee. Communism
appealed to some Jews because it opposed anti-Semitism more vigorously than
any other Polish party...Jewish Communists reached their apogee in the years
immediately after World War Two, when the party leadership was totally in
the hands of the prewar Communist leadership that abhorred anti-Semitism."
(Sheldon Kirshner, "The Canadian Jewish News", Nov. 5, 1992, p. 16).
Of course when one encounters the issue of Jews, Communists and Catholics in
Poland in the Establishment media or universities today, the mass murder of
the Polish Catholics at the hands of the Jewish Communists, is never raised.
Instead, a minor attack on Jews by Polish peasants enraged at the role of
Jews in Communist terror, which occurred in July, 1946 at Kielce and which
has come to be called the "Kielce pogrom" will be the centerpiece of the
"discussion. " The motivation for the attack is not usually mentioned.
Rather, the Catholic peasantry are painted in terms of "fiendish bigots"
whose "blind, irrational hate" for the "poor, persecuted Jews" resulted in
"yet another martyrdom of God's Chosen."
But the Catholic Primate of Poland at the time, Cardinal Hlond, a brave
prelate in a stalwart tradition of Christian resistance to Jewish tyranny in
Poland, so different from the traitorous philo-Judaism of the current
Pontiff, stated that the attack in Kielce occurred because of resentment
'due to the Jews who today occupy leading positions in Poland's (Communist)
government and endeavor to introduce a governmental structure that the
majority of Poles do not wish to have." (Ibid., Kirshner).
As Piotr S. Wandycz of Yale University observes, "The average Pole could not
but notice in the Stalinist era that the two most powerful men in the
country--Berman and Minc--were both Jewish as was the dreaded security
official Rozanski." ("N.Y. Review of Books", Aug. 18, 1983, p. 51).
With this record it is interesting to note that the Polish occupant of the
papacy, John Paul II, consistently lent his prestige and his presence to
canonizations and commemorations of politically correct victims of the
Nazis. Nowhere did this Pope breath a word about the openly Jewish,
Communist massacres of Polish Catholics, Spanish Catholics, Croatian
Catholics, Lithuanian Catholics--he was too busy, intoning the Shoah,
referring to the heirs of the Pharisees as "our Elder Brothers in the Faith"
giving official recognition to an Israeli state which even many orthodox,
Haredi rabbis regard as a blasphemous and abominable entity, and attacking
the German people as "the image of the beast."
Solomon Morel: commandant of a post-war Communist
concentration camp for Germans in Poland. Stalin deliberately put
Jews in charge of such camps. Morel tortured and murdered thousands of
Germans, sometimes with his bare hands (cf. "The Wrath of Solomon," Village
Voice, March 30, 1993 and John Sack, "An Eye for an Eye"). Morel is
comfortably esconsed in Tel Aviv. German survivors of Morel's camp have
demanded he be tried as a war criminal, but for the Establishment media and
the phony, partisan, "human rights" groups, bringing Morel to justice is
simply a non-issue. After all, he murdered helpless Germans, so what's the
problem?
Julius Hammer, M.D.: New York abortionist and co-founder of the American
communist party. Armand Hammer: fundraiser and financier for Lenin and
Stalin, son of Julius.
Lev Davidovich Landau: Stalinist physicist, co-father of the Soviet atomic
bomb. Klaus Fuchs: helped steal atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Ruth Werner:
colonel, Red Army GRU intelligence, assisted Fuchs. Julius and Ethel
Rosenberg: stole American atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Morris Cohen
(Peter Kroger): assisted the Rosenbergs. Markus Wolf: chief of German
Communist Stasi Secret Police.
Howard Fast: American communist propagandist for Stalin. David
Dubinsky: Stalin's ally, head of the U.S. International Ladies Garment
Workers Union. Nahum Goldmann: founder, World Jewish Congress, communist
propagandist. Rabbi Moses Rosen: agent, Romanian communist party. Victor
Rothschild: top British espionage agent for Stalin.
Mark Zborowski: "...considered by historians of Soviet terror operations to
have been the most fearsome...(Soviet) spy of all time"
steve wolk
And it sounds like a menial one. Not that there's anything wrong with
that. The ignorant deserve the opportunity to support themselves.
Steve
Paul Kneisel
crowd. When nailed in a rant try to change the topic to something totally
irrelevant in the hopes people will forget that your friends got nailed.
Logitech
"steve wolk" <st...@home.com> wrote in message
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> And it sounds like a menial one. Not that there's anything wrong with
> that. The ignorant deserve the opportunity to support themselves.
Ah, I was expecting something like this. I just hopped out of the shower
and decided to see what's been happening here before clothing myself and
heading to work... at City Hall... where I have a locker... containing a
uniform.... and a Sig-Sauer....
Can you guess?
Other than that, I see nothing of importance has been happening around here,
at least nothing that emanates from the dark side. :)
I can't wait for this month to be over. The graveyard is deadly boring in
this working-class suburban town.
Logitech
"Paul Kneisel" <tall...@nyct.net> wrote in message
news:Es+ZOorQ9Plk9X...@4ax.com...
> Typical attempt at misdirection from the Nazi-Apologists in the Denier
> crowd. When nailed in a rant try to change the topic to something totally
> irrelevant in the hopes people will forget that your friends got nailed.
Oh, Paul, I'm sorry. Gotta get runnin to work. Real quick...
My point in my response to McVay is that some of us aren't obsessed on
certain topics and keep a ready database of information on a particular
topic. The fact of the matter is that at one time I could have answered his
question about numbers as I have read most of Trotsky's writings (about 15
years ago) and had an overall interest in the Great War and its aftermath.
It was, in fact, a hobby of mine at that time.
Anybody who knows anything about that epoch knows that it is pointless to
talk about specific numbers in regard to the social forces that were
changing the face of the world at the time. I wish that I still had my copy
of Bronstein's History Of The Russian Revolution. It was a great source.
Later...
Alegro
Latvian, Lithuanian, Czech, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Russian,
Byelorussian, Moldavian, Georgian, Uzbek, Azerbajani, etc. Bolsheviks...In
fact, none of the old Bolsheviks would have stipulated being Jewish, since
they were all atheists just like Lenin and Stalin. The so-called "Jewish
socialists", were known as Bundists, and were from the outset of Bolshevik
Revolution considered "enemies of the Proletariat" (in part because they
considered themselves Jewish) and were hunted down by Dzerzhynski's Cheka
(btw, Feliks D. was a Pole whose origins were not Jewish...).
Facts are facts.
"bpg" <b...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Alegro
Bolshevik Party, only ??? were born Jewish. Keep in mind, that all
Bolsheviks renounced Judaism, Christ, Holy Trinity, Buddha, God and any
other deity.
"Jeffrey E Salzberg" <salz...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.150346b28...@news.quik.com...
> In article <97bsv9$7ch4$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
> win...@itech.com says...
> >
> > "Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
> > news:97brto$d11$1...@news.tht.net...
> > > Evasion noted.
> > > How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> > > How many of them were Jewish.
> >
> > To name but a few of the highest-ranking Jews in the early Bolshevik
> > leadership:
> >
> > Trotsky
> > Zinoviev
> > Radek
>
> OK, so far, out of the thousands of people who were Bolsheviks, the
> number of Jews you've cited is. . . .
>
> Three.
>
Alegro
"bpg" <b...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> Jeffrey E Salzberg <salz...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.150346b28...@news.quik.com...
> > In article <97bsv9$7ch4$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
> > win...@itech.com says...
> > >
> > > "Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
> > > news:97brto$d11$1...@news.tht.net...
> > > > Evasion noted.
> > > > How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> > > > How many of them were Jewish.
> > >
> > > To name but a few of the highest-ranking Jews in the early Bolshevik
> > > leadership:
> > >
> > > Trotsky
> > > Zinoviev
> > > Radek
> >
> > OK, so far, out of the thousands of people who were Bolsheviks, the
> > number of Jews you've cited is. . . .
> >
> > Three.
>
> These are some of the most notorious. I would also add Beria, the Jewish
> Bolshevik pervert.
>
> No one kept lists of names of the many thousands of lower level Jewish
> Bolshevik murderers but I assure you that their victims knew who they were
> and it will no more be forgotten than your tales of hollowcast.
Alegro
preparing the mattresses. When art thou's coming, Logitech?
"Logitech" <win...@itech.com> wrote in message
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Alegro
mirror, Sturmbanfuehrer Logitech!
(Which women's death camp are you in charge of? LOL!)news:97cji2$olfsd$1...@ID-30616.news.dfncis.de...
Alegro
1 pound for an Arab propagandist
2 pounds for a bona fide Nazi Bigot
3 pounds for a Holocaust Deniar
4 pounds for an intelectual nitwit
So far, the pickings were slim...
"Jeffrey G. Brown" <jg_b...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:jg_brown-5216A9...@news.cis.dfn.de...
> In article <97c1ru$3024$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>, "bpg"
> <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> > I think you should take the time and effort to post your information --
> > even if you are not getting paid for it as McVay does.
>
> Who pays Mr. McVay?
>
> How much?
>
> What independently verifiable evidence do you have of your answers?
McTavish Informational Services (Non-Profit)
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Kenneth McVay, OBC
Racman01 <racm...@one.net.au> wrote:
>"Kenneth McVay, OBC" wrote:
>
>> In article <97bjuu$24ku$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
>> bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> >Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
>>
>> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
>> How many of them were Jewish.
>On the number, I can not help, however on how many where jewish, now lets see,
>here are a handful, I could post more but why bother, there was:
[list of Jewish guys Racman read in a book]
Thank you for confirming that you have no idea whatsoever how many
Bolsheviks there were, or how many of them were Jewish.
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Paul Kneisel
<97c2ce$3fms$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
>The funny thing about Zionist slime is that every time their Zionist
>propaganda of hate, lies and distortions is challenged -- they resort to
>they slimy insults.
>
>What else would you expect from child murderers?
>
Of course the thing bpg continues to avoid is that fascists *supported*
actions by the Stalinists in E. Europe after the war.
>Larry R <fut...@primus.ca> wrote in message
>news:3vam6.5479$oA1.47...@news2.tor.primus.ca...
>> "bpg" another brainless dimwit. Can't stand the heat redneck, back away
>from
>> the stove. I am sure we can arrange a room with Docky in the looney bin.
>You
>> can take turns at one another.
>> LARRY R.
>> "bpg" <b...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>> news:97brcm$5db0$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com...
>> > Kenneth McVay, OBC <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
>> > news:97bkvn$b4r$1...@news.tht.net...
>> > > In article <97bjuu$24ku$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
>> > > bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> > > >Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish
>Bolsheviks
>> > >
>> > > How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
>> > > How many of them were Jewish.
>> >
>> > You must have received a raise from your Zionist masters to argue with
>> those
>> > who take exception to your paid propaganda of Zionist hate, lies and
>> > distortions. Are you getting minimum wage yet?
>> >
>> > To answer your question, Zionist lackey, there were far too many Jewish
>> > Bolsheviks and they were the most brutal amongst Stalin's henchmen.
>> > >
>> > >
Paul Kneisel
"murdered" by Trotsky, Radek, or Zinoviev.
But I think everybody knows the purpose of bpg's posts is neither history
or ethics but merely Nazi-Apologetics.
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:54:37 -0700, "bpg" <b...@prodigy.net>
<97c21i$4g42$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
>Jeffrey E Salzberg <salz...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.150346b28...@news.quik.com...
>> In article <97bsv9$7ch4$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
>> win...@itech.com says...
>> >
>> > "Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
>> > news:97brto$d11$1...@news.tht.net...
>> > > Evasion noted.
>> > > How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
>> > > How many of them were Jewish.
>> >
steve wolk
> Don't expect bpg to list any of the ostensible "millions" of Poles
> "murdered" by Trotsky, Radek, or Zinoviev.
>
> But I think everybody knows the purpose of bpg's posts is neither history
> or ethics but merely Nazi-Apologetics.
BINGO!
Steve
steve wolk
"Alegro" <dub...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:XJmm6.271$421....@news2.atl...
Aha! So you are a security guard in a cemetary.
Steve
> >
> >
>
>
Logitech
a
> mirror, Sturmbanfuehrer Logitech!
Yeah !!! I used to do that all the time !!! hehe BTW, you should have
ended here. Funny !!!
> (Which women's death camp are you in charge of? LOL!)
No death camp. A simple knitting and crocheting combine with weekend
furloughs for mating purposes is more my idea. :)
Logitech
"steve wolk" <don...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:97e29o$9be$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> Aha! So you are a security guard in a cemetary.
I wish. Sounds peaceful. If only you knew the assortment of private
security details I've had over the years. I'll let you in on something.
Private security involves the wiping of other people's butts and taking the
blame when you miss that dingleberry. True story.
I now prefer the universal law-enforcement motto:
"A good police officer never gets wet and never goes hungry."
Jan Szkudliński
Użytkownik "Alegro" <dub...@bellsouth.net> napisał w wiadomości
news:rsmm6.265$421....@news2.atl...
> Please don't forget to also credit, Polish Bolsheviks, Hungarian,
Ukrainian,
> Latvian, Lithuanian, Czech, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Russian,
> Byelorussian, Moldavian, Georgian, Uzbek, Azerbajani, etc. Bolsheviks...In
> fact, none of the old Bolsheviks would have stipulated being Jewish, since
> they were all atheists just like Lenin and Stalin. The so-called "Jewish
> socialists", were known as Bundists, and were from the outset of Bolshevik
> Revolution considered "enemies of the Proletariat" (in part because they
> considered themselves Jewish) and were hunted down by Dzerzhynski's Cheka
> (btw, Feliks D. was a Pole whose origins were not Jewish...).
> Facts are facts.
There were many Jews in the socialist/communist parties in Poland (2nd half
of the XIX century) because these were the only parties that did not ask
whether a newcomer had been born a peasant, a noble, a Christian or a Jew.
In fact these were the only political organizations that welcomed Jews
without any problems. All other political movements were more or less
against the Jews. Communists/socialists were also the only political
movements that proposed to create a world in which there would be no basis
for any mistreatment, because all the differences between people would be
gone. All the mistreated - workers, Jews and others - found such an idea
very interesting and worth following.
But as some of You mentioned, communsts were against any religion, any
deity. Those who joined them had to put away their beliefs, therefore can
not be labeled as Jews, Christians ect., but as the communists.
Later, when bolshevik fraction was formed, they claimed that to change the
social situation only the revolution of the united workers of the world
could be succesful. That's why all who stressed the national diferences
(Bundists, some of the Polish communists ect.) were considered the enemies,
who made such an unification harder.
Such is the case with Feliks Dzierzynski, the Pole - after he became a
communist, he was against everything that stood against the communist
"ideal" world, including Polish liberation movements, and, after 1918,
against the newly formed Poland. But was he still a Pole then?
Regards
Jan Szkudlinski
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 10:53 PM, "Logitech" <win...@itech.com> said:
>Anybody who knows anything about that epoch knows that it is
>pointless to talk about specific numbers in regard to the social
>forces that were changing the face of the world at the time.
Ah, so if there weren't enough Jewish Bolsheviks to make you're point,
you'll just label the others as being subject to Jewish social forces?
Yeah, I can understand why you prefer not to rely on the actual
numbers.
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at 05:58 PM, "Logitech" <win...@itech.com> said:
>But you need to know that the truth is out here.
Ah, now we know your "sources".
Logitech
message news:3a9a6040$4$fuzhry$mr2...@va.news.verio.net...
> Ah, so if there weren't enough Jewish Bolsheviks to make you're point,
> you'll just label the others as being subject to Jewish social forces?
> Yeah, I can understand why you prefer not to rely on the actual
> numbers.
The names *and* the numbers *are* there within the leadership of the
Bolshevik Party.
In regard to the all-too-common complaint that any Jew who adhered to
Marxist-Leninism was in fact no longer a Jew, I could point out that a
person who rejects their faith of origin on an intellectual level doesn't
cease to think like a person of that faith on at least a subconscious level.
The "imagination" of whatever faith a person has been raised with remains
indelibly imprinted upon the mind. This applies to people of all faiths.
I would like to address a question to you with all sincerity. I am copying
below something that was posted elsewhere in this thread. I would like for
you or any person of the Jewish faith to address its truthfulness, accuracy,
meaning, whatever..... I have noticed previously that the general tendency
in your community is to run like the wind when presented with the words of
people who claim to speak for "your people" or the tenets of your faith.
Care to comment about the following?
Dear Oxford-Judaism Subscribers,
All the best,
Shmuley
********************************************************
[...]
[...]
[...]
The Failure of Communism
According to Capitalism, what led the Soviet Union to its final
Logitech
> In <97c2l6$2jae$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>, on 02/25/2001
> at 05:58 PM, "Logitech" <win...@itech.com> said:
>
> >But you need to know that the truth is out here.
>
> Ah, now we know your "sources".
hehehe I set myself up for that one!
steve wolk
Well, keep your nose to the grindstone, don't take any bribes, lay off
the donuts and maybe, someday, you'll get promoted to that cemetary job.
Steve
McTavish Informational Services (Non-Profit)
>In article <3A99A973...@one.net.au>,
>Racman01 <racm...@one.net.au> wrote:
>
>>"Kenneth McVay, OBC" wrote:
>>
>>> In article <97bjuu$24ku$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
>>> bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>> >Remember the millions of people murdered by Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks
>>> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
>>> How many of them were Jewish.
>>On the number, I can not help, however on how many where jewish, now lets see,
>>here are a handful, I could post more but why bother, there was:
>[list of Jewish guys Racman read in a book]
>
>Thank you for confirming that you have no idea whatsoever how many
>Bolsheviks there were, or how many of them were Jewish.
How does this suit you and why do you keep avoiding what I post you
serpent? You can't deal with FACTS!
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Terms of a truce: Were I authorized to represent the Ukrainian position in
negotiating with Jews a cessation of verbal hostilities, I might open with
"If you stop fabricating lies about us, we will stop disclosing the truth
about you."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Prytulak Cheka-GPU-NKVD in Ukraine 25May98 Jewish conquest of the
Slavs
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Shapoval volume, then, provides us with one such reason why some
Ukrainian anti-Semitism might exist. The reason is that Ukrainians have
been aware of the Jewish domination of the experiment in government
through mass murder which went under the name of "Communism," and in which
experiment Ukrainians more than any other peoples have been conscripted
into playing the role of guinea pigs.
Jewish Conquest of the Slavs
The Shapoval volume. The analyses that I present below are based on
information in the following book written in Ukrainian, with some of its
documentation presented in Russian:
Yuri Shapoval, Volodymyr Prystaiko, and Vadym Zolotariov, Cheka-GPU-NKVD
in Ukraine: People, Facts, Documents, Abris, Kyiv, 1997.
For the sake of brevity, I will refer to the above book as "the Shapoval
volume."
Sponsorship. It is possibly highly significant that this book was
sponsored by the following:
National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine
M. S. Hrushevsky Institute
of Ukrainian Archaeography and Fontology
Security Service of Ukraine
----------------------------
Nationalities in the Cheka-GPU-NKVD. One may summarize my chief finding
with this succinct approximation:
Out of every 10 senior members
of the Cheka-GPU-NKVD in Ukraine:
6 were Jewish,
2 were Russian,
1 was Ukrainian, and
1 was other.
Latvians. Latvians led in the "other" category. More specifically:
NATIONALITY NUMBER INVOLVED PERCENTAGE
Jewish=92 + Father Jewish=1 93 58.1
Russian 34 21.3
Ukrainian 15 9.4
Latvian (M)=6 + (F)=1 7 4.4
Belarusian 3 1.9
Polish 2 1.3
Polish/German 1 .6
Armenian 1 .6
Georgian 1 .6
German 1 .6
Lithuanian 1 .6
Moldovan 1 .6
Total known nationality 160 100
Unknown nationality 23
Total 183
Almost no mixed parentage. Given that the authors noted the instance in
which only the father was Jewish, it would appear that there are no other
instances of known mixed parentage in this sample.
Almost no females. In Ukrainian, the word for "a Latvian person" comes in
masculine and feminine versions, and thus it was possible to note upon no
more than seeing their nationality stated that six of the Latvians were
male and one female. But as all the other nationality names also come in
two versions, then it would also have been possible to note the presence
of a female in them as well, which however I failed to do. Thus, in the
sample of 160 for which nationalities were specified, there appears to be
only a single female. The Cheka-GPU-NKVD in Ukraine, then, appears to
have been a male-dominated occupation.
Possible under-estimate of Jewish participation. The "Polish/German"
above refers to a single official who was inconsistent in identifying his
nationality on various documents, sometimes stating Polish and sometimes
German. Two possibilities come to mind: first, that neither of these is
his true nationality; second, that other officials may have misrepresented
their nationality more consistently and thus avoided detection. More
specifically, as Jews commonly assumed non-Jewish names and concealed
their Jewish identity, it is possible that the above statistics constitute
an under-estimate of Jewish presence in the Cheka-GPU-NKVD.
The Shapoval volume offers some evidence in confirmation of this
hypothesis. That is, in listing the names of the 183 Cheka-GPU-NKVD
officials, when the official used more than one name or changed his name,
Shapoval included the aliases in parentheses. The number of names
containing parentheses was 20. Of these, 14 were Jewish, 3 Latvian, 1
Russian, 1 German, and 1 unknown. Thus, it would appear that the changing
of names was overwhelmingly a Jewish phenomenon. Furthermore, my
impression is that the name changes tended to be in the direction of
making the names less Jewish and more Slavic, though as this conclusion
requires the exercise of judgment, and as in several cases I did not trust
my judgment, I do not here quantify the direction of the name changes.
Four examples of names that seemed to go from Jewish to Slavic were:
EARLIER JEWISH NAME LATER SLAVIC NAME
Holovanivskyi Bernard Volfovych Kozelskyi Borys Volodymyrovych
Podolsky Davyd Vulfovych Orlov Danylo Volodymyrovych
Izrail Moiseiovych Radzivilovskyi Oleksandr Pavlovych
Rosenbardt Abram Borysovych Rozanov Oleksandr Borysovych
Declining to guess nationality from name? Among the 23 for whom
nationality was not specified, I noticed a few cases in which nationality
might be inferred from the name alone. For example, although no
nationality was specified for Solomon Isaakovych Goldman, one might
venture to guess that he is more likely Jewish than Russian or Ukrainian.
I conclude that either the authors had independent evidence concerning
Goldman's nationality but failed to specify it as an oversight, or else
that they had insufficient biographical data to infer nationality, and
followed the general rule of declining to do so from name only. Of course
if the Shapoval authors declined to guess that Solomon Isaakovych Goldman
was Jewish, then I decline to do so as well, leaving him uncategorized
with respect to nationality.
[...]
A minor paradox resolved. It should go without saying that even if the
Communist Revolution was controlled mostly by Jews, it does not follow
that most Jews were either Communists or revolutionaries. Rather, many
writers go out of their way to comment that only a minority of Jews
supported Bolshevism, most were indifferent, and some opposed it. Thus,
although in the first of the pair of quotations below, we see Hilaire
Belloc unequivocally placing responsibility for the Russian Revolution at
the feet of the Jews, yet in the second of the pair of quotations we find
him unequivocally exonerating Jews in general from blame — a seeming
paradox which a little thought demonstrates contains no contradiction:
It was the pure despotism of a clique, the leaders of which had been
specially launched upon Russia under German direction in order to break
down any chance of a revival of Russian military power, and all those
leaders, without exception, were Jews, or held by the Jews through their
domestic relations, and all that followed was done directly under the
orders of Jews, the most prominent of whom was one Braunstein, who
disguised himself under the assumed name of Trotsky. A terror was set up,
under which were massacred innumerable Russians of the governing classes,
so that the whole framework of the Russian State disappeared. Among
these, of course, must specially be noted great numbers of the clergy,
against whom the Jewish revolutionaries had a particular grudge. A clean
sweep was made of all the old social organization, and under the despotism
of this Jewish clique the old economic order was reversed.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Hilaire Belloc, The Jews, 1937, p. 58)
For the Bolshevist movement, or rather explosion, was Jewish.
That truth may be so easily confused with a falsehood that I must, at the
outset, make it exact and clear.
The Bolshevist Movement was a Jewish movement, but not a movement of the
Jewish race as a whole. Most Jews were quite extraneous to it; very many
indeed, and those of the most typical, abhor it; many actively combat it.
The imputation of its evils to the Jews as a whole is a grave injustice
and proceeds from a confusion of thought whereof I, at any rate, am free.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Hilaire Belloc, The Jews, 1937, p. 55)
Jews present obstacle to the rule of law in Ukraine. One of Ukraine's
most pressing needs today is to demonstrate the rule of law by punishing
the most egregious violations of the law — namely torture, murder,
genocide. To the degree that the number of the guilty and the weakness of
the law make this unfeasible, Ukraine then needs more than anything else
to at least implement a Truth and Reconciliation Commission paralleling
the Truth and Reconciliation Commission so wisely instituted in South
Africa. However, there is one huge obstacle standing in the way either of
the punishment of the guilty or of inducing them to confess. That
obstacle is that a disproportionate number of the accused, or of those
revealed to have committed crimes, might turn out to be Jews, with the
result that Ukraine would be portrayed by a mindless world press as having
gone on an anti-Semitic rampage. Thus, one way that Jews continue to harm
Ukraine today is by standing in the way of Ukraine demonstrating the power
of its law to bring its torturers and its butchers to account, or the
power of its righteousness to command its torturers and its butchers to at
least confess....
.... The Shapoval volume provides us with one such reason why some
Ukrainian anti-Semitism might exist. The reason is that Ukrainians have
been aware of the Jewish domination of the experiment in government
through mass murder which went under the name of "Communism," and in which
experiment Ukrainians more than any other peoples have been conscripted
into playing the role of guinea pigs.
Terms of a truce. Were I authorized to represent the Ukrainian position
in negotiating with Jews a cessation of verbal hostilities, I might open
with "If you stop fabricating lies about us, we will stop disclosing the
truth about you."
<end>
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Hitler's Willing Executioners, Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, by
Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, NY: Alfred A. Knopf, 1996
by: Roland M. Wagner Ph.D., San Jose State University. June 23, 1996
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Understanding Goldhagen: his moral agenda
[...]
While Goldhagen is certainly correct that the Nazi propaganda ministry
demonized the Jews, he is overlooking a factor of great importance by
dismissing everything as being a mere "hallucination." Propaganda becomes
especially potent when it builds on elements of truth. The Nazis were able
to capitalize on the fact that many Jews did play important roles in the
Communist leadership, and Jews comprised a disproportionate number of the
local party officialdom in the Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, and other
areas. Peter Lawrence, in his article "Why Lithuania?" points out that in
Byelosrussia the Jews comprised about 8 percent of the population, and
while only 6.2 percent were members of the Communist party they comprised
23.2 percent of Party Committees at the district level. Nazi estimates for
the Soviet Union (cited on p. 49 in The Einsatzgruppen Reports edited by
Yitzhak Arad et al , 1989), were that the Jews comprised 1.77% of the
general population, 5.2% of the Communist party membership, 25.7% of the
party's Central Committee, and 36.8% of the Politburo, with the latter
percentage rising to 42.9% by the end of Lenin's era. In other words, Jews
had greater public visibility within the Communist bureaucracy, greatly
exceeding their percentage of the population....
Compounding the deadly intensity of this image, the Germans and the
peoples of Eastern Europe were well aware that the Soviet government had
launched ruthless pogroms of genocidal proportion against various ethnic
groups in the Soviet Union. World concern was aroused during the 1920s and
1930s when millions of Ukrainians and Volksdeutsch died as a result of the
deliberate Soviet policy to exterminate these ethnic groups through mass
starvation. The Ukrainians initially hailed the German troops as
liberators who would remove the Bolshevik yoke from their backs. Nazi
propaganda was relentless in its message: either victory, or total slavery
under the Jewish Bolsheviks.
While Goldhagen acknowledges on p. 393 the link drawn by the Nazi
propagandists between Bolshevism and World Zionism, he fails to emphasize
the crucial importance of this belief. Rather than focusing on how German
fears were aroused by rampant Communism in the east (an historically
specific, "situational" factor), he prefers to focus on the deep,
long-term historical roots of hallucinatory anti-Semitism, to which he
devotes an entire section of his book....
<end>
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Russian Jewish Elites And Anti-Semitism
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Twice in their history, Russian Jews have been associated in the public
mind with the ruling elite. During the early period of Bolshevism, Jews
played prominent roles in the ruling Communist Party and in the economic,
cultural, and academic life of the young Soviet state. Then, after the
collapse of communism in 1991, Jews again achieved influential positions
in politics as well as in the private sector, especially the media...
On the other hand, the presence of Jews in the Russian elite is cause for
concern among Jews themselves, who fear a backlash of anti-Semitism. As
one Russian Jewish leader has explained, “People here have quite bitter
memories of the participation of Jews in the [Bolshevik] revolution.”
Jews in Soviet Elites, 1917-88
------------------------------------------------------------------------
... Jews flooded into Russia’s economic, political, and cultural life. At
the same time, in proportions quite exceeding their percentage in the
general population of the Russian Empire, they played a highly visible
role in various movements hostile to the existing order-as liberal critics
of the autocratic regime, as Marxists, or as active exponents of
revolutionary terrorism.
After the fall of czarism and the establishment of Bolshevik rule, legal
discrimination against minorities was ended. Scores of Jews became
prominently involved in the destruction of the old regime and the
construction of the new society. Among the first echelon of leaders of the
new Russia were a number of Jews and individuals of Jewish origin.
Outstanding among these were Lev Trotsky (Bronstein), Grigory Zinovyev
(Radomyslskiy), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov Sverdlov. There were also
some Jews in the second echelon: Moisey Uritskiy, Adolf Yoffe, Karl Radek
(Sobelson), Grigory Sokolnikov (Briliant), Yuri Steklov (Nekhamkes). These
Jewish Bolsheviks were not especially interested in Jewish matters and in
fact were Jewish only by accident of birth or because they were so
identified in their papers.....
To some Russians it appeared that Jews had taken over the country. Given
the total absence of Jews in the bureaucracy before 1917, their presence
among the state and party leadership and their prominence in the Soviet
military and secret police during the first years of Bolshevik rule
confirmed this impression......
When in the mid-1920s Stalin mounted a campaign against his major
opponents inside the party-a group that was labeled the “left opposition”
and included such prominent Jewish Bolsheviks as Trotsky, Kamenev, and
Zinovyev-his propaganda was spiced with thinly veiled anti-Semitism. In
October 1926 Trotsky, Kamenev, and Zinovyev were deprived of all their
posts in the party’s upper echelon, marking the beginning of the end of
Jewish prominence within the Soviet political elite.
[...]
<end>
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Is that enough proof for you McVay that Jews were behind the Bolshevism
which engaged in a genocide of Ukrainians? Can't you accept the other
"Holocaust"? Are you a denier? YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE! Don't you ever get
tired of being a sleazy liar?
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 10:46 PM, "Logitech" <win...@itech.com> said:
>The names *and* the numbers *are* there within the leadership of the
>Bolshevik Party.
Then why aren't you willing to reveal those numbers when repeatedly
asked?
>I would like to address a question to you with all sincerity. I am
>copying below something that was posted elsewhere in this thread. I
>would like for you or any person of the Jewish faith to address its
>truthfulness, accuracy, meaning, whatever..... I have noticed
>previously that the general tendency in your community is to run
>like the wind when presented with the words of people who claim to
>speak for "your people" or the tenets of your faith. Care to comment
>about the following?
First, the Jewish community is not homogeneous; you can find adherents
of just about any economic theory. Second, I note that while the
author of the first screed seems to be arguing against Capitalism, he
admits that Torah accepts capitalism as legitimate. Third, the
economic practices of the kibbutzim are nothing like those of the
Marxist countries. The Oneida Colony might have been a more relevant
comparison.
Logitech
"Michael Berenstein" <mi...@pixar.com> wrote in message
news:3A9C01B4...@pixar.com...
> It also could be that most of the other parties were of educated classes
and
> social-democrats clamed to be representing interests of the poor.
> Now on a level of common people, poor, literacy was almost 0% in Russia.
> Overall literacy was somewhere in the 0.02%(?).
> Now among jewish population literacy was about 80-90%, including women.
> It looks that among common people those who could read and write were only
> jews. It is no question then that these people were among higher ranks of
all
> socialist parties (very different though they might be). And yes, I agree,
that
> jews carry significant blame for the crimes of bolsheviks, but most of
them
> paid the price anyways, when bolsheviks ceased to exist and Communist
party
> became anti-semitic.
Fascinating. I had never considered the literacy angle previously. I'm
going to research some of your numbers, but it would explain many things
that I've wondered about in regard to the composition of revolutionary
organizations.
However, even if your theory holds water, I can still only wonder about the
tactics employed after power was attained by those revolutionary
organizations.
bpg
> In <97f829$28am$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>, on 02/26/2001
> at 10:46 PM, "Logitech" <win...@itech.com> said:
>
> >The names *and* the numbers *are* there within the leadership of the
> >Bolshevik Party.
>
> Then why aren't you willing to reveal those numbers when repeatedly
> asked?
Because the numbers game is the game of Zionist propaganda of hate, lies and
distortions. You say the German Nazis murdered 6 million Jews and attack
anyone who questions your grossly inflated numbers. Who cares?
The victims of Bolsheviks far exceed the victims of Nazis and while the
Germans played a major role in Nazi atrocities, Jews played an even greater
role in Bolshevik atrocities. As far as I see it is a wash and it is about
time to put an end to your constant belly-aching about something that
happened over 50 years ago.
[cut]
>
Paul Kneisel
bpg did, that the Jews played a greater role in "Bolshevik" atrocities than
the Germans did with the Nazis.
Val
with
revisionists. But the question is rather interesting, so I will provide an answer
to Kenneth
(btw, I think he might have an idea of the magnitude of the answer). I have cut
out
large parts of the discussion...
And, I do NOT use the bad anglo-sax transcription for Russian names etc. It's not
my fault they can not pronounce things correct....
"Kenneth McVay, OBC" wrote:
> In article <97c2l6$2jae$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
> Logitech <win...@itech.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
> >news:97c1fo$e1h$1...@news.tht.net...
> >> I would like you to tell me:
> >>
> >> 1. How many Bolsheviks there were
About 10 000 (ten thousend) members of VSB(r).
YES, it is a small number
>
> >> 2. How many of them were Jewish
953 (nine hundred and fifty three) jews had joined the Bolsjevik party in 1917.
About 1% of the bolsjevikhs were jews at the coup d'etait.
Source: Richard Pipes, The Russian revolution and Russia under Bolshevik
regime.
In the debate, it has been said that Lavretij Beria was a jew. He was not.
Someone stated he was Georgian (Grusinan). He was not (common miss-
understanding). He was born within the borders of present Grusinia, but
his nationality was one of the minorities of the area. Of COURSE I have
forgotten which one, but there are several (Ossetian, Abkhas, etc). I cross-
post this to soc.culture.russia, and hope someone might provide the correct
nationality of Beria.
However, Iosip V. Djugasvjili (aka Stalin) was a Grusinian.
And, FYI 1:
One of the worst "henchmen" of "uncle Joe", Lazar M. Kaganovitj, was a
jew (I beleive he died recently?!?). Much of the bad reputation of the jews
doing bad things during the Stalin era, falls on him.
A relative of Kaganovitj, S. Kahan (US citizen) has published a biography
over L.M Kaganovitj. However, also an amateur like myself can find
obvious errors in this book.
And FYI 2:
Stalin did indeed planned and actually began his "own" jew holocaust. But
he died (fortunely) prior to real bad things happened to the jew community
within the S.U.
Reference: Letter from A Tjeptsov to G.K Zjukov August 15, 1927 (published
by A.Vaksberg in "Ljubjanka" 1993.
Br,
Val
Jan Szkudlinski
Uzytkownik "Michael Berenstein" <mi...@pixar.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:3A9C01B4...@pixar.com...
> > There were many Jews in the socialist/communist parties in Poland (2nd
half
> > of the XIX century) because these were the only parties that did not ask
> > whether a newcomer had been born a peasant, a noble, a Christian or a
Jew.
>
and
> social-democrats clamed to be representing interests of the poor.
> Now on a level of common people, poor, literacy was almost 0% in Russia.
> Overall literacy was somewhere in the 0.02%(?).
I think you are right about the percentage. Literacy level was terribly low
in Russia before the Revolution.
> Now among jewish population literacy was about 80-90%, including women.
> It looks that among common people those who could read and write were only
> jews. It is no question then that these people were among higher ranks of
all
> socialist parties (very different though they might be). And yes, I agree,
that
> jews carry significant blame for the crimes of bolsheviks, but most of
them
> paid the price anyways, when bolsheviks ceased to exist and Communist
party
> became anti-semitic.
Right you are. It happened at different times in different communist
countries, amd among those Jews who commited crimes as communists, also the
innocent Jews suffered.
The Polish communist party (PZPR) in 1968 faced the students/ youth unrest
(the young simply wanted the freedom of speech). These students were
brutally supressed by the police. To shift the blame the communists claimed,
that this unrest was a Jewish provokation - by which they revived Polish
anti-semitism, condemned the State of Israel which was then on a black list
of Moscow, and could deal with Jews inside the party (many Jews were in the
higher ranks of the secret police before 1956, and the 1968 leadership of
the party, includinig general secretary Gomulka, were among those who
persecuted and improsoned just after the IIWW). After that, a terrible
campaign against the Jews was organized by the Party, and, shamefully, many
Poles followed it. I don't think that anybody was killed or imprisoned, but
thousands were thrown out of jobs, especially out of the party, the army and
the universities. Thousands were also forced or encouraged to emigrate. Only
a fraction of already decimated population of Polish Jews stayed and live
here still, as does dr Marek Edelman, the hero of the Uprising in Warsaw
Ghetto.
Regards
Jan Szkudlinski
Kenneth McVay, OBC
[...]
>> >> 1. How many Bolsheviks there were
>
>About 10 000 (ten thousend) members of VSB(r).
>YES, it is a small number
>> >> 2. How many of them were Jewish
>953 (nine hundred and fifty three) jews had joined the Bolsjevik party in 1917.
>About 1% of the bolsjevikhs were jews at the coup d'etait.
>
>Source: Richard Pipes, The Russian revolution and Russia under Bolshevik
>regime.
Thank you! Roughly 10% were Jewish, which illustrates that the
description "Jewish Bolsheviks" is not grounded in reality, and is, in
fact, nothing but a transparent attempt to create the impression that
Communism = Judaism.
It's obvious why our bigoted friend didn't want to answer my
questions.
Again, thanks.
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I also have the impression that "our friend" thinks the number was much greater...
(and, I obviously missed the 0 (zero) in 10%. I actually *MENT* to write 10%.....)
BR,
Val
Susan Cohen
Susan
Michael Berenstein
>
>
> >
> > >> 2. How many of them were Jewish
>
> 953 (nine hundred and fifty three) jews had joined the Bolsjevik party in 1917.
> About 1% of the bolsjevikhs were jews at the coup d'etait.
>
Let's see:
Lenin (part jewish)
Sverdlov - jewish
Trotsky - jewish
Kamenev - jewish
Zinov'ev - jewish
These are the tops of Bolshevik party. These are the people who singlehandedly
started Civil War, uprooted all the freedoms in post Tzarist Russia, and most
stupidly, brought Stalin to power (yes, they did bring Stalin on purpose, as a
marionette for their internal policies and interparty struggle). Dzerzhinski,
Stalin, Kaganovich, Beria and others were big nobodies, when things started. In
fact, many of them were in other camps or just learning how to read and write.
Trying to prove that bolshevik revolition was not largely jewish is futile. Just as
anti-bolshevik movement in Soviet Russia. Just as Perestroika in recent time. Just
as science. Just as business. Just as art and it's lowest form, the Hollywood.
Hollywood is really like a jewish community.
So what???
In Russia it was first swedes, then english, then germans, then italians and french,
then(and now) - jews. Tomorrow it'll be somebody else. There are some books written
about it, about who carries national culture and language FOR native populations.
bpg
Israel would like us to forget the victims of Jewish Bolsheviks. Defenseless
people who get tortured to death don't care if they murderers are German
Nazis or Jewish Bolsheviks. Those who are murdered by German Nazis despise
German Nazis. Those who are murdered by Jewish Bolsheviks despise Jewish
Bolsheviks.
I don't defend the German Nazis. Why don't you stop defending the Jewish
Bolsheviks?
Paul Kneisel <tall...@nyct.net> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen
Michael Berenstein wrote:
> Val wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >> 2. How many of them were Jewish
> >
> > 953 (nine hundred and fifty three) jews had joined the Bolsjevik party in 1917.
> > About 1% of the bolsjevikhs were jews at the coup d'etait.
> >
>
> Let's see:
> Lenin (part jewish)
No such thing
Kenneth McVay, OBC
bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>I said that it is a wash :-)> Defenders of Jewish Bolsheviks and Nazi
>Israel would like us to forget the victims of Jewish Bolsheviks. Defenseless
>people who get tortured to death don't care if they murderers are German
>Nazis or Jewish Bolsheviks. Those who are murdered by German Nazis despise
>German Nazis. Those who are murdered by Jewish Bolsheviks despise Jewish
>Bolsheviks.
How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
How many of them were Jewish?
Cat got your tongue?
Michael Berenstein
Lenin's grandfather, who converted into christianity, as many educated jews did in
Russia, was first a teacher, and then supervisor (inspector) of local schools for
poor. They were somewhat lower then Gimnasiums, but free or cheap and they had easier
quotas for different types of population. So he did have jewish roots to some degree.
Enough to fall under hated categorie of
"jewish bolshevik".
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 12:31 PM, "McTavish Informational Services (Non-Profit)"
<DELETE2MAI...@my-deja.com> said:
>You can't deal with FACTS!
He's been asking you for facts and you've been steadfastly ignoring
his request, chamor. I won't ask you for the numbers, because I won't
be seeing your no-doubt disingenuous response. *PLONK*
Waldo
> In article <97k70b$1fje$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
> bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >I said that it is a wash :-)> Defenders of Jewish Bolsheviks and Nazi
> >Israel would like us to forget the victims of Jewish Bolsheviks.
Defenseless
> >people who get tortured to death don't care if they murderers are German
> >Nazis or Jewish Bolsheviks. Those who are murdered by German Nazis
despise
> >German Nazis. Those who are murdered by Jewish Bolsheviks despise Jewish
> >Bolsheviks.
>
> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
> How many of them were Jewish?
>
> Cat got your tongue?
Trotsky (Bronstein) may be able to enlighten us a bit here:
From Leon Trotsky's Thermidor and Anti-semitism
. . . [N]aturally the Jews occupied a disproportionately large place
among the bureaucracy and particularly so in the lower and middle
levels. Of course we can close our eyes to that fact and limit
ourselves to vague generalities about the equality and brotherhood of
all races. But an ostrich policy will not advance us a single step. The
hatred of the peasants and the workers for the bureaucracy is a
fundamental fact of Soviet life. The despotism of the regime, the
persecution of every critic, the stifling of every living though,
finally the judicial frame-ups are merely a reflection of this basic
fact. Even by a priori reasoning it is impossible not to conclude that
the hatred for the bureaucracy would assume an anti-Semitic color, at
least in those places where the Jewish functionaries compose a
significant percentage of the population and are thrown into relief
against a broad background of the peasant masses.
Leon Trotsky, Feb. 22, 1937
If "Nizkor" means "We will remember" in Hebrew, how do you say "We will
pretend it never happened"?
Waldo
Observer at Large
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Evasion noted. How many Bolsheviks were there, and how many of them
were Jewish?
--
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and America's Most Powerful Corporation, by Edwin Black
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Joseph Hertzlinger
>Trotsky (Bronstein) may be able to enlighten us a bit here:
>
>From Leon Trotsky's Thermidor and Anti-semitism
>
>. . . [N]aturally the Jews occupied a disproportionately large place
>among the bureaucracy and particularly so in the lower and middle
>levels. Of course we can close our eyes to that fact and limit
>ourselves to vague generalities about the equality and brotherhood of
>all races. But an ostrich policy will not advance us a single step. The
>hatred of the peasants and the workers for the bureaucracy is a
>fundamental fact of Soviet life. The despotism of the regime, the
>persecution of every critic, the stifling of every living though,
>finally the judicial frame-ups are merely a reflection of this basic
>fact. Even by a priori reasoning it is impossible not to conclude that
>the hatred for the bureaucracy would assume an anti-Semitic color, at
>least in those places where the Jewish functionaries compose a
>significant percentage of the population and are thrown into relief
>against a broad background of the peasant masses.
>
> Leon Trotsky, Feb. 22, 1937
>
>If "Nizkor" means "We will remember" in Hebrew, how do you say "We will
>pretend it never happened"?
The phenomenon was actually hatred of literacy. In seventeenth-century
pogroms, priests were hanged alongside Jews. (Priests and Jews were
the literate classes.) We can see that people with brains are
extremely dangerous. Some of the Bolesheviks were Jews and some
weren't Jews but every last one of the them was an egghead. Clearly,
after we make our Utopia Judenrein we must then eliminate all traces
of brains from the National Socialist State. Waldo has made a good
start on this by his numerous brainless posts.
Waldo
Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
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You're right Susan, there is no such thing. With Judaism, it's all or
nothing. "If you're not for us, you're against us".
Have it your way, Susan. Lenin was a team player. 100% heart and soul
Jewish.
Waldo
Observer at Large
Waldo
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
> In <b47n9t8pf4kn6q9ii...@4ax.com>, on 02/27/2001
> at 12:31 PM, "McTavish Informational Services (Non-Profit)"
> <DELETE2MAI...@my-deja.com> said:
>
> >You can't deal with FACTS!
>
> He's been asking you for facts and you've been steadfastly ignoring
> his request, chamor. I won't ask you for the numbers, because I won't
> be seeing your no-doubt disingenuous response. *PLONK*
Well . . . . . .
De camptown ladies sing dis song
(doo dah, doo dah!)
De camptown racetrack five miles long
(oh doo dah dey!)
Gwine to run all night!
Gwine to run all day!
I'll bet mah money on de bob tail nag
(somebody bet on de bay!)
Kenneth McVay, OBC
>news:97kea0$23e0$1...@news.tht.net...
>> In article <97k70b$1fje$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>,
>> bpg <b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> >I said that it is a wash :-)> Defenders of Jewish Bolsheviks and Nazi
>> >Israel would like us to forget the victims of Jewish Bolsheviks.
>Defenseless
>> >people who get tortured to death don't care if they murderers are German
>> >Nazis or Jewish Bolsheviks. Those who are murdered by German Nazis
>despise
>> >German Nazis. Those who are murdered by Jewish Bolsheviks despise Jewish
>> >Bolsheviks.
>>
>> How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
>> How many of them were Jewish?
>>
>> Cat got your tongue?
>
>Trotsky (Bronstein) may be able to enlighten us a bit here:
Evasion noted. Is there some particular reason you will not tell us
How many Bolsheviks were there, Bubba?
How many of them were Jewish?
--
Susan Cohen
Waldo wrote:
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> news:3A9DAE50...@his.com...
> >
> >
> > Michael Berenstein wrote:
> >
> > > Val wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> 2. How many of them were Jewish
> > > >
> > > > 953 (nine hundred and fifty three) jews had joined the Bolsjevik party
> in 1917.
> > > > About 1% of the bolsjevikhs were jews at the coup d'etait.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Let's see:
> > > Lenin (part jewish)
> >
> > No such thing
>
> You're right Susan, there is no such thing. With Judaism, it's all or
> nothing. "If you're not for us, you're against us".
Uh, no, not that at all.
Do get it right.
> Have it your way, Susan. Lenin was a team player. 100% heart and soul
> Jewish.
No, not at all.
But thanks for playing.
No go home - your mother's calling you.
>
>
> Waldo
>
> Observer at Large
McTavish Informational Services (Non-Profit)
>In article <3A9D1341...@hotmail.com>, Val <val...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>> >> 1. How many Bolsheviks there were
>>About 10 000 (ten thousend) members of VSB(r).
>>YES, it is a small number
>>> >> 2. How many of them were Jewish
>>953 (nine hundred and fifty three) jews had joined the Bolsjevik party in 1917.
>>About 1% of the bolsjevikhs were jews at the coup d'etait.
>>
>>Source: Richard Pipes, The Russian revolution and Russia under Bolshevik
>>regime.
>Thank you! Roughly 10% were Jewish, which illustrates that the
>description "Jewish Bolsheviks" is not grounded in reality, and is, in
>fact, nothing but a transparent attempt to create the impression that
>Communism = Judaism.
Jews were the leaders of the movement just like they are today. If it were
not for the eternally stupid Gentile dupes who swallow the Neo-Bolshevist
poison they'd have no power at all! Care to deny the validity of what I
post below or will you cut and run again?
>It's obvious why our bigoted friend didn't want to answer my
>questions.
>
>Again, thanks.
I've answered you numerous times yet you don't acknowledge what I post nor
do your fellow dupes of the Neo-Bolshevist movement.
LOOK!
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Logitech
> Evasion noted. How many Bolsheviks were there, and how many of them
> were Jewish?
At least the Jewish participants in this thread have some wit and contribute
an occasional meaningful response. You are obviously a hopeless drudge, Mr.
McVay. Maybe I assume too much. Are you Jewish? I once knew a guy named
O'Bresky. I couldn't figure it out. Was he Irish? Was he Slavic? I come
to find out... Neither !!! He's Jewish. He attempted to blackmail my wife
and harrassed us constantly with unwanted phone calls and letters. Finally,
over a table at a restaurant, he made his final proposition in his blackmail
scheme. I cut him off during his final pitch and told him that if he didn't
cease his bs, I was going to remove his intestines through his anus and
leave them laying all over the restaurant parking lot. We never heard from
him again. Are you another O'Bresky, Mr. McVay? Somehow, I think not. I
doubt that you would even have the gonads to challenge anybody to meet
you face-to-face.
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Evasion noted. You either do not know, or would prefer not to have us
know, how many Bolsheviks there were, and how many of them were
Jewish.
Is there some reason you don't want anyone to know the answers to
these simple questions?
By the way, while you're tucking tail and bravely running away from
these questions, why not pause a moment and explain what my ethnicity
has to do with the questions themselves.
Would you run away just as energetically if I were Jewish?
Would you run away just as energetically if I were Bhuddist?
Would you still refuse to deal with them if I were Catholic?
(Yes, I think you would.)
Spare us the red herrings, Bubba, and address the questions....
(Pitter patter of Bubba's little feet, diminishing as he runs away...)
--
"...I note that on the few occasions of which I am aware where purveyors of
anti-Semitic propaganda have endeavoured to justify their materials in
court on the facts and the merits, they have been singularly unsuccessful..."
(http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/s/scully-olga/reason.html)
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Don't want to answer the questions, eh, Bubba?
(Evasion noted. How many Bolsheviks were there, and how many of them
were Jewish?)
--
"Denial of Science & The Science of Denial"
The Techniques of Holocaust Denial
http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial
steve wolk
"Logitech" <win...@itech.com> wrote in message
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Another macho man with a keyboard. They're a dime a dozen, folks.
Steve
David Christian
wrote:
Brave words from an anonymous poster.
Now, back tot he subject at hand. Approximately how many members did
the Bolshevik Party have, and what percentage of them were Jewish?
>
>
>
Logitech
> (Evasion noted. How many Bolsheviks were there, and how many of them
> were Jewish?)
Bored to tears. Checking out. Salut !
Logitech
"steve wolk" <st...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> Another macho man with a keyboard. They're a dime a dozen, folks.
Sonny,
I would not fabricate such a story for the sake of my "politics." My
"politics" are an extension of my life experience and research.
In the not-too-distant future, you will acquire life experience and some of
it might be quite bitter.
I wish you the best.
Nisse
Among the millions of people murdered by "Stalin's Jewish Bolheviks" were:
Trotsky
Kamene'ev
Zinov'ev
Anti-semitic Jews?!?!?!
And Your name is Berenstein?? Are You a relative of Trotsky?
// N
Nisse
Intelligence strikes AGAIN.
Lets se.... Lenin was part Swedish (as well as part Asian).
So, the partly Swedish Lenin ordered the murder of the partly Swedish Nikolaj II.
A Swedish conspiracy against the Swedes.. Hurray! A new explanation.
No. Lenin was not jewish. To be a jew, You have to have a jewish mother, and
a jewish grandmother on Your mothers side. Lenin had not.
(but, if I do not remeber incorrectly, Marx did. Pwerhaps You should blame
HIM instead).
Neither did Lenin become a procelyte.
Are You related to Trotskij? Your sir-name is a close look-alike.....
Br,
Fanny Kaplan
steve wolk
Bullshit. You would push your own mother down the stairs, if you thought it
would make you look tough and her back was toward you. Any bitter life
experience I acquire will definitely NOT be caused by an anonymous
cybercoward Nazi like you, Mr. Milquetoast. Your threats have as much bite
as a butterfly's.
Steve
>
Logitech
> Bullshit. You would push your own mother down the stairs, if you thought
it
> would make you look tough and her back was toward you. Any bitter life
> experience I acquire will definitely NOT be caused by an anonymous
> cybercoward Nazi like you, Mr. Milquetoast. Your threats have as much
bite
> as a butterfly's.
Oh my ! Such a hardened heart ! Have I threatened *anyone* ??? Do you
feel threatened ??? Check that hardened heart, Sonny !!!
Logitech
"Joseph Hertzlinger" <jher...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> The phenomenon was actually hatred of literacy. In seventeenth-century
> pogroms, priests were hanged alongside Jews. (Priests and Jews were
> the literate classes.) We can see that people with brains are
> extremely dangerous. Some of the Bolesheviks were Jews and some
It is my observation that if most Americans (United States residents [does
citizenship mean anything anymore?]) were literate, they wouldn't have the
least idea of how to use this most magnificent G-d-endowed gift. :)