Aryan & Terrorist Groups Connected - Links Inside
Fenian Baever Ley
>>
>> bookmarks, they all die in a few months.
Do you like that last phrase?
Look at al Qaeda and your movement on this board:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/
Look at the hit list your movement maintains:
http://zog.to/3/jihad/jihad06.htm
Look:
http://myweb.flinet.com/~politics/
Look:
http://eugenics.home.att.net/
Listen and Worship:
http://www.rahowa.org/
Do you dance in the daylight?
>> I do not agree with that intepretation of the law, I think they should
>> be locked up. But, then again, I am in the middle because they are
>> easy to be infilitrated in this way. I wonder if they are.
>
>> I do not agree with that intepretation of the law, I think they should
>> be locked up. But, then again, I am in the middle because they are
>> easy to be infilitrated in this way. I wonder if they are.
Cat got your keyboard?
>> I am not political otherwise, I am an observer.
Uhuh.
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SuperNova
Fenian Baever Ley wrote:
>
> > SuperNova, in <3BE3E983...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >>
> >> bookmarks, they all die in a few months.
>
> Do you like that last phrase?
What phrase? You gave me a few links and all of them
were 404 or dead, but did not give me what the issues
were.
Anybody can click on those links and see that this
is so.
You seem to be reading something strange into what
I wrote... something malicious that I can not decipher.
>
> Look at al Qaeda and your movement on this board:
> http://www.stormfront.org/forum/
Huh? I don't need to waste my time reading some Neo-Nazi
board. As for "my" group, because they are in "America"...
"I" am not "America", if I made the decisions, if I
was the "judge of America"... I would first order all
of these people to be killed. Their presence pollutes
the land and they spread evil wherever they go.
>
> Look at the hit list your movement maintains:
> http://zog.to/3/jihad/jihad06.htm
This is simply slander. So, if I find a criminal
in Canada, should I say, "you are this criminal,
it is your responsibilty to get rid of this criminal
and you did not, therefore you are this criminal". What
is that but nonsense.
Tell you what, move to America and petition the
government to give me the ability to be judge,
jury, and executioner. Like Judge Dredd. Then, if
I leave any standing after gaining that position,
you can accuse me.
<snip - more Neo-Nazi propagandist sites>
>
> Listen and Worship:
> http://www.rahowa.org/
"Listen and worship", what the hell is that? That
is sick. What, you are really a Neo-Nazi?
>
> Do you dance in the daylight?
>
> >> I do not agree with that intepretation of the law, I think they should
> >> be locked up. But, then again, I am in the middle because they are
> >> easy to be infilitrated in this way. I wonder if they are.
> >
> >> I do not agree with that intepretation of the law, I think they should
> >> be locked up. But, then again, I am in the middle because they are
> >> easy to be infilitrated in this way. I wonder if they are.
>
> Cat got your keyboard?
That is an intentional misquote, my words were wrenched from their
context.
You asked the same question, I have you the same answer. I replied
the second time saying, "Again," -- prefacing my statement.
What part of "I do not agree with that interpretation of the law" [that
these hate sites are legal expressions of free speech] do you not
understand? When I say, "but again, I am in the middle of the issue" [ie,
I don't mind them being in the open because they are easier to investigate
that way]... whatever you are reading into that is wrong.
Whether you like it or not, these groups must be ended, however
they can hide if they wish. When they hide, like with pedophiles,
they are much harder to bust... but they exist anyway. You can not
have "some of them", it is either or. At sometime, probably soon,
we have to crack down and eliminate all of them.
You seem to believe they have the power to just rise up and
defeat the world. I do not believe this.
>
> >> I am not political otherwise, I am an observer.
>
> Uhuh.
And? You believe in politics, I do not. What good have you done that
you are in such a position to judge me without reasoning the
reason for your judgment or presenting the evidence of your judgment?
Bev Thornton
>
>> >> bookmarks, they all die in a few months.
>>
>> Do you like that last phrase?
>
> What phrase?
"die in a few months"
> You gave me a few links and all of them
> were 404 or dead, but did not give me what the issues
> were.
Nevermind.
I explained it all in another, very long post.
> You seem to be reading something strange into what
> I wrote... something malicious that I can not decipher.
Good.
A SuperNova, is that anything like Daylight?
SuperNova
replies to it...
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> > SuperNova, in <3BE3E983...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >>
> >> Dead host... what are the points I will look it up?
>
> That was to the big Libyan peace plan that carried counter-terrorism
> and everything. It has been going on for years but that was the
> beginning of the big, new Libyan push for peace and stability throughout
> Africa and the near mideast.
>
> >> http://www.wipl.com/wipl_kano.htm
> >> 404
>
> What the fuck? A health club? Oh, that is just fucked. I post
> terrorist links and they are still up and running over a week later. And
> a peace link turns into a health club 404 within hours? Cute.
>
> Look, I posted these over a week ago -
> http://www.ummah.net.pk/dharb/
> News, Articles, Radio, Weather, Resources, Exchange Rates
>
> That is al Qaeda's news service, one of them, that paper, not al Jazeera
> tv. al Jazeera tv is who bin Laden uses to talk to us, not his people.
> Here is what he just said; don't worry it will be up,
> it fits the script:
> http://news.excite.com/rews/r/011103/10/news-attack-binladen-text-dc
No, its' not "up", it is 404 and anyone can click on it and see
that.
>
> >> All of these sites you
> >> gave me are 404 -- I only take that as any other bookmark you have
> >> from old and didn't check. Had you told me the topics I could have
> >> found the issues in a few minutes.
>
<snip>
> that is why I have the checking scripts for URLs. I have been
> providing URLs for people in suicidal crisis for years, in that context
> a dead link can be disasterous to the person in distress. So I have the
> link checkers, before and after the fact, double checked after the fact,
> three minutes and fifteen.
<snip>
The Excite link you pasted above is 404. Anybody who reads this
can click on it themselves and try. You want a screenshot, or what? I know
it is 404 on your end as well, I won't judge you... I will assume
that you have a bug in your software or whatever.
<snip>
> Audio too: http://www.rahowa.org/
>
> Religious fundamentalist extremists calling for deaths of Americans,
> Israelis and Jews. Still up and running.
>
> Too bad about the muslim peace movement, eh?
... you are preaching to the choir.
>
> >> I do not agree with that intepretation of the law, I think they should
> >> be locked up. But, then again, I am in the middle because they are
> >> easy to be infilitrated in this way. I wonder if they are.
> >
> >> I do not agree with that intepretation of the law, I think they should
> >> be locked up. But, then again, I am in the middle because they are
> >> easy to be infilitrated in this way. I wonder if they are.
>
> Cat got your keyboard?
>
> >> I am not political otherwise, I am an observer.
>
> Uhuh.
I am not "political", it is part of my religious beliefs. That can
be taken to mean anything you wish. I view things from a criminal,
judicial standpoint... not from a governmental standpoint. I do not
think this is such an easy thing to convey, I do not think it should
be assumed that you understand what I mean enough to negatively
judge my position.
>
> Sunshine, Daylight, it's all the same, isn't it, SuperNova?
>
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SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE4FDC1...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> >> >> bookmarks, they all die in a few months.
> >>
> >> Do you like that last phrase?
> >
> > What phrase?
>
> "die in a few months"
What does that mean? "Links", "dead links". This
is why I both do not keep many bookmarks (or pay attention
to them for long) and why when I quote articles I post
the whole article. (Except in replies...)
Everybody knows links die.
>
> > You gave me a few links and all of them
> > were 404 or dead, but did not give me what the issues
> > were.
>
> Nevermind.
>
> I explained it all in another, very long post.
>
> > You seem to be reading something strange into what
> > I wrote... something malicious that I can not decipher.
>
> Good.
>
> A SuperNova, is that anything like Daylight?
SuperNova is a comic book character that is an ordinary guy
that has no power except when attacked.
Bev Thornton
>
>> http://news.excite.com/rews/r/011103/10/news-attack-binladen-text-dc
>
> No, its' not "up", it is 404 and anyone can click on it and see
> that.
Well, it was, these are all double-checked. The error now is 403, not
404, 403 is Forbidden, that's different.
> The Excite link you pasted above is 404. Anybody who reads this
> can click on it themselves and try. You want a screenshot, or what? I know
> it is 404 on your end as well, I won't judge you... I will assume
> that you have a bug in your software or whatever.
No, and it is 403 right now. Verbotten.
>> Too bad about the muslim peace movement, eh?
>
> ... you are preaching to the choir.
What choir?
> I am not "political", it is part of my religious beliefs.
What are they?
> be taken to mean anything you wish. I view things from a criminal,
> judicial standpoint... not from a governmental standpoint. I do not
> think this is such an easy thing to convey, I do not think it should
> be assumed that you understand what I mean enough to negatively
> judge my position.
Ah, but you see, it is that I do not know you that I do not trust you.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE5045D...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> >> http://news.excite.com/rews/r/011103/10/news-attack-binladen-text-dc
> >
> > No, its' not "up", it is 404 and anyone can click on it and see
> > that.
>
> Well, it was, these are all double-checked. The error now is 403, not
> 404, 403 is Forbidden, that's different.
I don't get "forbidden", I get:
"Sorry!
The page you have requested is temporarily unavailable, or no longer exists on
our servers.
You can return to Excite by clicking on the buttons at the top and bottom of the
page. Thanks for using Excite. Your comments are very appreciated, and help us
make the service better. "
>
> > The Excite link you pasted above is 404. Anybody who reads this
> > can click on it themselves and try. You want a screenshot, or what? I know
> > it is 404 on your end as well, I won't judge you... I will assume
> > that you have a bug in your software or whatever.
>
> No, and it is 403 right now. Verbotten.
>
> >> Too bad about the muslim peace movement, eh?
> >
> > ... you are preaching to the choir.
>
> What choir?
>
> > I am not "political", it is part of my religious beliefs.
>
> What are they?
... in short:
2 Timothy 2
"No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs--he wants
to please his commanding officer."
Hebrews 11:13
All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not
receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a
distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth.
14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of
their own.
15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have
had opportunity to return.
16 Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore
God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for
them.
That is in short. It should not be taken to be anything else. It is no
different than what Joan of Arc was saying, though. About the authorities
of the nations.
>
> > be taken to mean anything you wish. I view things from a criminal,
> > judicial standpoint... not from a governmental standpoint. I do not
> > think this is such an easy thing to convey, I do not think it should
> > be assumed that you understand what I mean enough to negatively
> > judge my position.
>
> Ah, but you see, it is that I do not know you that I do not trust you.
It is fine to ask questions... though my belief set about these things
is pretty simple. I am generally "non-interference", though there are
times when there has to be direct intervention. Those times are total
intervention... and things tend to get nasty when they happen.
Bev Thornton
Odd, perhaps they have a distributed server scheme with inconsistent
error reporting. Anyway, here is the article now, updated. I am
wondering why it was 'updated.' I should have wondered about the odd
directory name in the first place.
http://news.excite.com/news/r/011103/10/news-attack-binladen-text-dc
> That is in short. It should not be taken to be anything else. It is no
> different than what Joan of Arc was saying, though. About the authorities
> of the nations.
A schizo teenager? What did she have to say about the authorities of
nations?
> It is fine to ask questions... though my belief set about these things
> is pretty simple. I am generally "non-interference", though there are
> times when there has to be direct intervention. Those times are total
> intervention... and things tend to get nasty when they happen.
Do they? How so?
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE522D3...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > I don't get "forbidden", I get:
>
> Odd, perhaps they have a distributed server scheme with inconsistent
> error reporting. Anyway, here is the article now, updated. I am
> wondering why it was 'updated.' I should have wondered about the odd
> directory name in the first place.
>
> http://news.excite.com/news/r/011103/10/news-attack-binladen-text-dc
All of that for this? This... I read this. I think it is funny. I
was considering writing a parody of it. The man is raving. He has
descended into even more utter hypocrisy than he was in before. Here
they are, the genocidist's trying to rise up as if they were the victim.
They will be cut down. It is a trap for them.
Such is the way of things.
<snip>
> > It is fine to ask questions... though my belief set about these things
> > is pretty simple. I am generally "non-interference", though there are
> > times when there has to be direct intervention. Those times are total
> > intervention... and things tend to get nasty when they happen.
>
> Do they? How so?
You read strange things into my words which are not there.
For instance, take the above reply about me finding Bin Laden's statements
as funny. Sure, it is funny from the sense that he is raving. But, to
me it is funny because he is doomed. I say as much and say, "It is a trap
for them".
Do you think I made that trap? If my words must be literal and interpreted
according to your interpretation of the world... it would seem that I
was as a little bird, whispering in their ears, "inflate your heart to
the Heavens"... so they can be brought down to the depths.
What is the "way of things"? The 'evil get richer', the 'poor die horrible
lives', 'there is no justice in this world'. Yet, if there was no justice
in this world at all, it could not stand. It would fall on itself, collapse
due to the extreme weight of it.
It is a wise saying to think over, this one, 'the devil is on the details'.
We get so caught up in the details we lose sight of where we are going. We
forget that life is utterly useless, meaningless, vanity... we put meaning
into ghosts and imbue life into what is not there, and what shall never
be there.
Other times, we find meaning in the little things, we find ourselves
in a position of conscience... where what is right must be done. If we
neglect that duty, then we have neglected that very life which is affirmed
and supported by doing what is good.
But, life is given to each of us, how can we affirm or support it? It
is as a road we can continue to stay on... or we can walk off that road
and walk down the path of destruction. What is destruction but building
with dreams and vanities? For dreams and vanities will vanish... all that
will be left is the appetite... the appetite which was fed with selfish
desires, these dreams and vanities of which I speak.
Bev Thornton
>
> All of that for this? This... I read this. I think it is funny. I
> was considering writing a parody of it. The man is raving. He has
> descended into even more utter hypocrisy than he was in before. Here
> they are, the genocidist's trying to rise up as if they were the victim.
> They will be cut down. It is a trap for them.
No, not at all. What he is doing is drawing a line across Islam between
the fundamentalist sunni and everyone else. That will serve to
further destabilize the mideast.
The video should never have been released to the public. It should have
been stepped on all that way. Showing it and translating it was a big
mistake.
> What is the "way of things"?
Just how things work.
> Other times, we find meaning in the little things, we find ourselves
> in a position of conscience... where what is right must be done. If we
> neglect that duty, then we have neglected that very life which is affirmed
> and supported by doing what is good.
Yes, duty now for the future - devo.
> But, life is given to each of us, how can we affirm or support it? It
> is as a road we can continue to stay on... or we can walk off that road
> and walk down the path of destruction. What is destruction but building
> with dreams and vanities?
Bombs.
Decker
> SuperNova, in <3BE4FDC1...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
<snip>
> > You seem to be reading something strange into what
> > I wrote... something malicious that I can not decipher.
>
> Good.
>
> A SuperNova, is that anything like Daylight?
Bev, it seems you are implying that SuperNova and Daylight are the same
people, but I don't think SuperNova is catching on to your subtle references.
I know you've been trying to sort out the "sock puppets" for the last few
days... are you solid on this allegation?
I like your style... one of the more informed and well referenced posters
I've seen on Usenet and I too have been around since '93. I know you are well
respected in a.s.d and I've read enough of your posts here the past few
weeks... and elsewhere over the past couple of years to understand your
propaganda and your intentions. Kudos.
BTW, for all those who confuse your gender. I went to High School with a chap
named Beverley (Baever Ley) Conners. Despite the teasing from the jocks he
carried his name with pride. Since my mothers name is also Beverley, I had
great respect for him.
Keep up the good work my bookmarks are growing daily.
Decker
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE640CC...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > All of that for this? This... I read this. I think it is funny. I
> > was considering writing a parody of it. The man is raving. He has
> > descended into even more utter hypocrisy than he was in before. Here
> > they are, the genocidist's trying to rise up as if they were the victim.
> > They will be cut down. It is a trap for them.
>
> No, not at all. What he is doing is drawing a line across Islam between
> the fundamentalist sunni and everyone else. That will serve to
> further destabilize the mideast.
>
> The video should never have been released to the public. It should have
> been stepped on all that way. Showing it and translating it was a big
> mistake.
They are already this way. Osama is just a rallying point for them. He
is saying what they are thinking... "they" being the extremist Muslims.
Islam, with the Hadith, has the neccesary kill formula to prevent it
from existing in peace with any other religion.
It would have been better if the Middle East could have come to
civilization through capitalism. As it is, it appears it will never
do so. They do not mind destroying their own countries rather than
to deal with modern society. The way their society is currently set
up... genocide is approved of, rather than condemned... "holy
crusades", or "jihads" are the rule, not the exception... and hypocrisy
is ever present.
SuperNova
Decker wrote:
>
> Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> > SuperNova, in <3BE4FDC1...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> > >
>
> <snip>
>
> > > You seem to be reading something strange into what
> > > I wrote... something malicious that I can not decipher.
> >
> > Good.
> >
> > A SuperNova, is that anything like Daylight?
>
> Bev, it seems you are implying that SuperNova and Daylight are the same
> people, but I don't think SuperNova is catching on to your subtle references.
> I know you've been trying to sort out the "sock puppets" for the last few
> days... are you solid on this allegation?
No, I am not "catching on to the subtle reference". I was tending to
think Bev is a bit off. However, now let me see what he is saying...
"DayLight" Posters History
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=Daylight
Oh, great, the exact opposite of what I post.
"SuperNova" Posters History
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author%3ASuperNova&hl=en
So, Bev is definitely off, as off as someone could be.
I do not appreciate slander in the least. Especially because "Bev"
twists my words into their exact opposite meaning and then goes
further to slide dirty insinuations at me which I would not have caught
because I post from soc.culture.israel! Slander which is the exact
opposite of my stance!
What are my views? Anyone can read my posts above and find out!
I am:
-> against extremist Islam
-> against Neo-Nazi groups
-> reminding people of Islamic slaughters against Christians and Hindus
-> Pro-Israeli
-> Pro-United States
-> Anti-Terrorism
I say as much very fluently and I have literally spent enough time
doing as much since 9/11 that no one could possibly question my
integerity on this issue.
Let me remind everyone, it is very simple to put forth such insidious
slanderous remarks on someone in an underhanded manner... so I was
sitting there like a fool while he was issuing this charge at me, not
even having the decency to bring it to the forefront or tell me to
my face...!
If anybody wishes to try and bring some slanderous charge against
me, then do so! Now! Say it, don't insinuate like a worm! I have more
than enough evidence which will utterly wipe out any such ludicrous
slander.
If you see me as furious about this - understand I do not like
slander, and I especially resent this sort of underhanded whispering
and finger pointing.
Slander is the reason for all of these problems in the world,
so thanks a lot for contributing to the pool, you cowardly false
witnesses!
SuperNova
Action" Anthrax Suspect, White Supremacist and Islamic Extremist Terrorist
Groups Connection", Oct 27, 2001.
reference (Bev's positing history with me):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&hl=en&scoring=d&start=10&sa=N&filter=0
In that post I linked Islamic Extremism and White Supremacists.
Bev's take on it was that the crackdown on White Supremacist groups
would be good for them and bad for the United States. I disagreed.
reference (shows Bev's reply):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&start=10&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=19&selm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&filter=0
reference (shows I started the thread and what I posted):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&rnum=19&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DSuperNova%2Bauthor:Bev%2Bauthor:Thornton%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26scoring%3Dd%26rnum%3D19%26selm%3DOlCC7.123077%2524ob.2762486%2540news1.rdc1.bc.home.com%26filter%3D0
In another article of mine, where I showed that Islamic extremists
were working from within the United States, Bev replied to that
as well:
This was the next day. In this post I showed that Muslims were actually
the originators of some of the worst genocides in history... and despite
all of their "we are so wronged talk", that they are the ones who
so wrong others. I used the examples of Sudan, India, and Pakistan...
I pointed out that while Muslims get upset about using the word "crusade",
the fact is they are running "holy crusades" themselves and doing so
with absolute prejudice.
Bev had problems with these points and wanted to try and claim Rwanda
was a Christian crusade against non-Christians. In fact, it is not, and
I pulled out references saying as much. That is not enough though, what
upsets me is that Bev would do this in face of the very facts not enough
people are hearing. The extremist Muslims not only have atrocities within
their lands... they are the originators and culpable for some of the worst
genocides on the planet.
I don't like people trying to cover that up. These people have not issued
"apostasy orders" against any of these "jihadists", and until they do
all of their "Islam is peaceful" talk is just that, talk.
There are a few other points I disagreed with this "Bev" character on. I
disagreed that Bush "made millions from crack cocaine". I disagree that
'Americans all have a problem with certain words'. I disagreed that 'crime
in America is on the rise these past ten years'. I disagreed that 'crime
is so much worse in America than in Canada'.
For all of these points, I was polite, and I dutifully dug up irrefutable
evidence. I did definitely wonder why I was wasting my time with this
individual.
Then, Bev posted about seven links to me which were all dead. He
did not mention what they were about, but expected me to comment on
them. I pointed out they were all dead, and pointed out "anybody who
reads this article can see that"... and Bev started to ramble on
about "American conspiracies", and then insinuated in sideways
manners that I was lying.
Bev went on to talk at length about his operating system and his
newsreader. Finally, he got down to point out that his newsreader
checks these links before and after posting them.
Shortly after this "Bev" starts two new threads on the subject,
rambling about how "404" means a "health club", and throwing
in statements like "so what, sunshine". This "Decker" poster
below alerted me to the fact that for these several back and
forths between "Bev" and myself... I was not getting that he
was cruelly slandering me by deliberately confusing me with
someone whom posts the exact opposite stances of which I have
been taking.
reference :-> this is Bev's reply, he had first given me this
bad links, then had stated, "this one will work", then when
I said it did not, he doubted me he just said "so"... and this
post shows how he was throwing these slurs at me unbeknownest
to me. ("Sunshine" being his reference to "DayLight").
Here Bev claims I am this "sunshine" fellow, "daylight", whatever,
though I did not see this because I do not read their newsgroup.
Here is where Bev started to get really weird, and my reply to him. In
this reply he posts a lot of URL's, and I explain they are all, or almost
all dead:
As can be seen from the chornological order here, Bev takes from
that confrontation of his dead links and starts new, bizarre threads:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Bev+Thornton+author:SuperNova&hl=en&scoring=d&filter=0
At one place he seems to insinuate in one of the new threads that
I am somehow connected with white supremacist groups, and he posts
url's saying, "look at your groups".
I take this as very odd, but find it very hard to believe someone who
has perhaps thousands of posts against Neo-Nazi's and Islamic extremists
could possibly throw such a slanderous remark against me. So, I take
that what he was saying was that "because I am an American, I am
guilty of these groups existing"... and, I state I need clarification
for his insinuation, as well as condemning it for being a
severe fallacy of logic.
It was then that "Bev" was giving me non-answers, non-apologies
on these URL's, and trying to take my statements that frankly said, 'I
disagree with the laws that allow hate sites to exist from
within America'... to meaning the exact opposite.
Unbeknownst to me, Bev was all along issuing a far sicker and
more subtle slanderous charge all along with his strange "daylight"
and "sunshine" comments... which, I obviously took as bizarre
statements about the literal daylight from a bizarre person whom
exhibits some mental instability.
As for me, anyone can read my many posts by merely looking
up my name or subscribing to soc.culture.israel:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=SuperNova
What this person has tried to do is to try and slander me,
but not directly to my face... nor by actually using any of
my word's as evidence, or any other evidence. They have done
so while I have sat there in good faith, patiently answering
them, having no idea that they were doing so. I had suspicions,
but this "Bev" fellow seemed to have stated to me that
they were not attempting to announce these ludicrous
charges.
In doing so, they have utterly reversed my stance without
actually stealing my name - and then claimed I was saying
the opposite of what I say everyday. Being that Bev seems
to not entirely disagree with what I am saying, I can
only imagine he did this because he felt threatened that
I may have been saying it better than he... and without
the conspiracy theories that have no evidence behind them.
And, this is how we work. We expose the lies of the extremist
Muslims and the Neo-Nazi's. In doing so we always rely on
evidence anyone can judge or see for themselves, and we are
always one hundred percent correct. That is the genuine difference
between us and them.
As for these other people... either hold to facts and
dispel foolish conspiracy theories or get off the boat.
Slander is never excusable, especially not disgusting slander
done in an underhanded way.
What is slander? Slander is bearing false witness. There are
different charges. The sort of slander "Bev" was tossing out
at me, albeit not directly because the evidence severely
contradicted his false charges... was both as extreme as it
gets, and done in the most underhanded way possible so that
I would not be able to defend myself and expose his
evil.
Slander is what drove the Muslims to say, "The Jews were
behind the 9/11 attacks". Slander is what drives them to
target the world with terrorism. Slander is what drove
Adolph Hitler's Nazi movement, and slander is what drove
Stalin to slaughter millions of religious people.
There is absolutely no excuse for that type of slander,
ever!
The difference between that and real accusations is that
real accusations have evidence. They are not contary to
evidence. This evidence may be shown to anyone. Discerning
people understand the concept of evidence. This is how
they see through these liars, and are able to confront them
and knock down every single one of their points.
Slanderers, though, can not knock down points. They can
only work by deception and trickery. They have to rely
on lies, which are easy to expose. They do not mind calling
someone the worst thing they can imagine, or the worst
thing that person can imagine. They go for it.
SuperNova
SuperNova
SuperNova
SuperNova
has perhaps thousands of posts against Neo-Nazi's and Islamic extremists... that
someone could possibly throw such a slanderous remark against me.
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=SuperNova
SuperNova
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=SuperNova
SuperNova wrote:
>
> Decker wrote:
> >
> > Bev Thornton wrote:
> >
> > > SuperNova, in <3BE4FDC1...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> > > >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > You seem to be reading something strange into what
> > > > I wrote... something malicious that I can not decipher.
> > >
SuperNova
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=SuperNova
SuperNova wrote:
>
> Decker wrote:
> >
> > Bev Thornton wrote:
> >
> > > SuperNova, in <3BE4FDC1...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> > > >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > You seem to be reading something strange into what
> > > > I wrote... something malicious that I can not decipher.
> > >
> > > Good.
> > >
> > > A SuperNova, is that anything like Daylight?
> >
> > Bev, it seems you are implying that SuperNova and Daylight are the same
> > people, but I don't think SuperNova is catching on to your subtle references.
> > I know you've been trying to sort out the "sock puppets" for the last few
> > days... are you solid on this allegation?
>
SuperNova
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=SuperNova
SuperNova wrote:
>
> Decker wrote:
> >
> > Bev Thornton wrote:
> >
> > > SuperNova, in <3BE4FDC1...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> > > >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > You seem to be reading something strange into what
> > > > I wrote... something malicious that I can not decipher.
> > >
Bev Thornton
>
> Bev, it seems you are implying that SuperNova and Daylight are the same
> people, but I don't think SuperNova is catching on to your subtle references.
That's ok. I don't think they are the same people. I'm just being
annoying, making a few ridiculous implications to try to smoke out
things. I must also do things to ensure underestimation, the
Daylight/Sunshine/SuperNova nonsense is one of those things.
When I first found-out about the American bio-terrorists Harris and
Leavitt and posted it here, things went strange. One poster referred to
it as "hit a nerve." When I started on with following Harris's
affiliations, there was another. Now, finding a link between American
and Islamacist groups, the activity entered a new form. For instance, if
I write about say Christian Identity, someone discounts the movement and
presents here that "ALL four members" - well, that one was of a group
that has offices with telephones in 27 states. And then examples, such
as Gary North, and presenting his cover activity as if it is all his
activity. When his real organizing still goes on at
http://www.freebooks.com/
Misinformation, disinformation.
Here's another interesting article on the CI movement:
http://www.ifas.org/fw/9707/identity.html
and this one has a nice biblio at the bottom:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/christian_identity/christianidentity.html
And Christian Identity is not the be all of the insurrectionist
movement, just one of the many groups involved.
> I know you've been trying to sort out the "sock puppets" for the last few
> days... are you solid on this allegation?
Sockpuppets? There were two threads started that way maybe two weeks
ago, I forget which ones but they were all off the same machine. I
haven't noticed much since then.
The sockpuppet threads went like, "We oughta do dis" "Yeah, that is the
only rational course of action," and so on. The creation of consent.
> weeks... and elsewhere over the past couple of years to understand your
> propaganda and your intentions. Kudos.
hahahahaha, the troll revealed. I had to leave asd because I was too
interested in the war and some of the people there know my friends
and there is even one person who is very familiar and amazed by my
personal network. So, I didn't want to scare people there by writing
what I am finding out all of a sudden. Safer here where I am less
believable and where vulnerable people will not be exposed to what I am
now writing regarding terrorism.
> BTW, for all those who confuse your gender. I went to High School with a chap
> named Beverley (Baever Ley) Conners. Despite the teasing from the jocks he
> carried his name with pride. Since my mothers name is also Beverley, I had
> great respect for him.
Males with the name usually find out the history of it, including the
baby name book error that claimed it was a woman's name from Europe.
Many people of fenian ancestry are also learning their roots and how
their families came to North America as pressed, indentured labourers
from the Fens. Some familes were under the bonds until the War of
Independence, 90 years after being brought to Virginia.
I am particularly proud of my name because my family is responsible for
so many black people taking the name "Thornton," my ancestors weren't
just abolitionists in Virginia, they were big-time railroaders, even the
major plantation owners, and created a network that went all the way
from Virginia to Gagetown, New Brunswick; Africville, Nova Scotia and to
numerous locations in southern Ontario.
I am also proud of the activity of the fenians during the invasions. I
am aware by family oral history of collusion between the Loyalists and
who remained in the USA and who was in the Black Watch here in Canada.
There is an oral history that holds that the Fenian Invasions were a
plot to help to create Canadian Confederation, a kind of spectacle, not
really real invasions.
> Keep up the good work my bookmarks are growing daily.
Mine are getting awful strange. There is an insurrectionist movement in
the US and it is huge and it has been involved with the Islamicist
extremists.
Do this:
http://www.google.com/search?q=posse+comitatus+sheriff
The first link to www.posse-comitatus.org goes forbidden, there is now
IP authentication running on it. But you can see the page in the google
cache with the 'Cached' link, what it looked like Nov 10, before the IP
auth went up. If the cache is empty when you read this, I have a copy of
the page.
I wish I'd known about them before they started trying to hide.
Decker
>
>[Cancelled first replies, replacing with these because of errors.]
>
>Bev Thornton first posted in reply to one of my posts "Another Article: "Aryan
>Action" Anthrax Suspect, White Supremacist and Islamic Extremist Terrorist
>Groups Connection", Oct 27, 2001.
>
>reference (Bev's positing history with me):
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&hl=en&scoring=d&start=10&sa=N&filter=0
>
>In that post I linked Islamic Extremism and White Supremacists.
>
>Bev's take on it was that the crackdown on White Supremacist groups
>would be good for them and bad for the United States. I disagreed.
>
>reference (shows Bev's reply):
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&start=10&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=19&selm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&filter=0
>
>reference (shows whole thread):
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&rnum=19&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DSuperNova%2Bauthor:Bev%2Bauthor:Thornton%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26scoring%3Dd%26rnum%3D19%26selm%3DOlCC7.123077%2524ob.2762486%2540news1.rdc1.bc.home.com%26filter%3D0
>
>reference (shows I started the thread and what I posted):
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&rnum=19&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DSuperNova%2Bauthor:Bev%2Bauthor:Thornton%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26scoring%3Dd%26rnum%3D19%26selm%3DOlCC7.123077%2524ob.2762486%2540news1.rdc1.bc.home.com%26filter%3D0
>
<snip>
>
>There are a few other points I disagreed with this "Bev" character on. I
>disagreed that Bush "made millions from crack cocaine". I disagree that
>'Americans all have a problem with certain words'. I disagreed that 'crime
>in America is on the rise these past ten years'. I disagreed that 'crime
>is so much worse in America than in Canada'.
>
>For all of these points, I was polite, and I dutifully dug up irrefutable
>evidence. I did definitely wonder why I was wasting my time with this
>individual.
>
Yes you were polite and I thought you both had good arguments, both
were well referenced and well documented. A lot of Bev's links lately
have been 404 or "altered". I think Bev's style is to constantly
challenge statements even though he may definitely agree with what you
have to say. It makes for great reading for your average lurker and
it forces whoever he's in dialouge with to clarify and validate their
opinion with facts or further discussion. He does tend to pick on
the tiniest detail and turn of phrase, but that forces people to think
about their words carefully before spouting off in public.
>Then, Bev posted about seven links to me which were all dead. He
>did not mention what they were about, but expected me to comment on
>them. I pointed out they were all dead, and pointed out "anybody who
>reads this article can see that"... and Bev started to ramble on
>about "American conspiracies", and then insinuated in sideways
>manners that I was lying.
I believe Bev in his claim that his links were good when he posted
them. I don't really think he meant you were lying, I think he was
just pissed that his links are sometimes pulled whenever they go
public. Although he has had to repost links in the past because of
keyboard slipups or dead links. He's fairly diligent with that kind
of thing.
<snip>
>Shortly after this "Bev" starts two new threads on the subject,
>rambling about how "404" means a "health club", and throwing
>in statements like "so what, sunshine". This "Decker" poster
>below alerted me to the fact that for these several back and
>forths between "Bev" and myself... I was not getting that he
>was cruelly slandering me by deliberately confusing me with
>someone whom posts the exact opposite stances of which I have
>been taking.
I think he meant to post this link, slipped up on the .org not .com.
The .com site is a Health Club
http://www.wipl.org/wipl_kano.htm
<snipped lengthy accusations of slander with good references>
I think that Bev has been trying to figure out if some of the posters
in a.s.t are wearing two or three hats. I'm really can't see why he
would confuse you with Daylight. That is why I asked him if he was
"solid on this allegation". I agree with your stance on the slander
issue. He really should have been up front with his identity theory
and not make such sideways comments and insinuations. When I saw this
I thought it was a bit out of character for Bev. He is
confrontational, but his style serves a purpose and the two of you
were having a great informative dialouge. Then things took a sharp
turn when he started with the Daylight/sunshine/Supernova comments. I
think he suspected you weren't who he thought you were and went on the
attack.
He started the dead links thread to get it into the limelight and not
buried in your tete-a-tete. I suspect that he is half true about the
dead links. It would be foolish not to think that U.S. agencies don't
have at least two or three people or many more checking usenet and the
web and shutting down pages in the name of National Security.
Check this out:
http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/11/02/Consumers/CiproWeb_011102
An example of the government censoring legit business. Two of the
companies were small town Manitoba pharmacists who've been selling
Cipro online well before Sept. 11. I realize they are targeting
mainly shady pharmacy sites but they don't seem to be too selective.
Finally, SuperNova I think you also have some excellent contributions
to the group along with many others here who offer links to back up
their statements. It's refreshing to know that there are some
thinkers and educators out there who do more than spew rage, hatred
and moronic genocidal diarrhea.
Decker
PS To some it's not good form to snip from the thread, I personally
think you can go back and read the original messages. If you don't
have good retention then look into getting a better news server.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> Decker, in <3BE66B25...@yahoo.ca>, wrote:
> >
> > Bev, it seems you are implying that SuperNova and Daylight are the same
> > people, but I don't think SuperNova is catching on to your subtle references.
>
> That's ok. I don't think they are the same people. I'm just being
> annoying, making a few ridiculous implications to try to smoke out
> things. I must also do things to ensure underestimation, the
> Daylight/Sunshine/SuperNova nonsense is one of those things.
Hrrm, so this is what "Bev" calls going around the Usenet representing
me, saying that I am "pro-Jihadist", when - in fact - there are few
posters on the Usenet who have been more condemning of extremist
Islam since the 9/11 attacks.
On top of this, this freak was sitting there posting this incomprehensible
crap to me, "daylight" and "sunshine" references... though had he
half a brain he could have read my statements or any of my thousands
of posts and seen that this "daylight" was the exact opposite of
me. And, he would have discovered - lo and behold - there is no
connection in the headers... something which any security expert
would do first.
Had I been posting as this "daylight" chap, whom expresses the opposite
views of me... would mean I was somesort of mole. Which is insane. Why
would some post the opposite of what they are saying a small percentage
of the time and the rest of their time campaign for exactly the other
thing? It doesn't make sense. Or, if someone is posting anti-Neo-Nazi
posts... how is it that someone else might say, "Well, your anti-Neo-Nazi
posts are really Neo-Nazi posts"?
How the hell is that?
>
> When I first found-out about the American bio-terrorists Harris and
> Leavitt and posted it here, things went strange. One poster referred to
> it as "hit a nerve." When I started on with following Harris's
> affiliations, there was another. Now, finding a link between American
> and Islamacist groups, the activity entered a new form. For instance, if
> I write about say Christian Identity, someone discounts the movement and
> presents here that "ALL four members" - well, that one was of a group
> that has offices with telephones in 27 states. And then examples, such
> as Gary North, and presenting his cover activity as if it is all his
> activity. When his real organizing still goes on at
> http://www.freebooks.com/
Yeah, and that was what my post was about where Bev started in on
me. As I showed in the post, Islamic Extremists and Neo-Nazi's have
various connections. Bev started out disagreeing that cracking down
on Neo-Nazi's was a good thing... finally he started in with this
bizarre innuendo which was exactly the opposite of what I was saying...
And, then he starts in like he was discovering something new. It is
disgusting. I imagine some "Pat" creature drooling on the computer,
trying hopelessly to garner a bit of information so he can get more
praise. It is a rodent like behaviour.
Plain and simple.
<snip>
********************************************************************
Bev Thornton first posted in reply to one of my posts "Another Article: "Aryan
Action" Anthrax Suspect, White Supremacist and Islamic Extremist Terrorist
Groups Connection", Oct 27, 2001.
reference (Bev's positing history with me):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&hl=en&scoring=d&start=10&sa=N&filter=0
In that post I linked Islamic Extremism and White Supremacists.
Bev's take on it was that the crackdown on White Supremacist groups
would be good for them and bad for the United States. I disagreed.
reference (shows Bev's reply):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&start=10&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=19&selm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&filter=0
reference (shows I started the thread and what I posted):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&rnum=19&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DSuperNova%2Bauthor:Bev%2Bauthor:Thornton%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26scoring%3Dd%26rnum%3D19%26selm%3DOlCC7.123077%2524ob.2762486%2540news1.rdc1.bc.home.com%26filter%3D0
In another article of mine, where I showed that Islamic extremists
were working from within the United States, Bev replied to that
as well:
This was the next day. In this post I showed that Muslims were actually
the originators of some of the worst genocides in history... and despite
all of their "we are so wronged talk", that they are the ones who
so wrong others. I used the examples of Sudan, India, and Pakistan...
I pointed out that while Muslims get upset about using the word "crusade",
the fact is they are running "holy crusades" themselves and doing so
with absolute prejudice.
Bev had problems with these points and wanted to try and claim Rwanda
was a Christian crusade against non-Christians. In fact, it is not, and
I pulled out references saying as much. That is not enough though, what
upsets me is that Bev would do this in face of the very facts not enough
people are hearing. The extremist Muslims not only have atrocities within
their lands... they are the originators and culpable for some of the worst
genocides on the planet.
I don't like people trying to cover that up. These people have not issued
"apostasy orders" against any of these "jihadists", and until they do
all of their "Islam is peaceful" talk is just that, talk.
There are a few other points I disagreed with this "Bev" character on. I
disagreed that Bush "made millions from crack cocaine". I disagree that
'Americans all have a problem with certain words'. I disagreed that 'crime
in America is on the rise these past ten years'. I disagreed that 'crime
is so much worse in America than in Canada'.
For all of these points, I was polite, and I dutifully dug up irrefutable
evidence. I did definitely wonder why I was wasting my time with this
individual.
Then, Bev posted about seven links to me which were all dead. He
did not mention what they were about, but expected me to comment on
them. I pointed out they were all dead, and pointed out "anybody who
reads this article can see that"... and Bev started to ramble on
about "American conspiracies", and then insinuated in sideways
manners that I was lying.
Bev went on to talk at length about his operating system and his
newsreader. Finally, he got down to point out that his newsreader
checks these links before and after posting them.
Shortly after this "Bev" starts two new threads on the subject,
rambling about how "404" means a "health club", and throwing
in statements like "so what, sunshine". This "Decker" poster
below alerted me to the fact that for these several back and
forths between "Bev" and myself... I was not getting that he
was cruelly slandering me by deliberately confusing me with
someone whom posts the exact opposite stances of which I have
been taking.
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=SuperNova
SuperNova wrote:
>
> Decker wrote:
> >
> > Bev Thornton wrote:
> >
> > > SuperNova, in <3BE4FDC1...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> > > >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > You seem to be reading something strange into what
> > > > I wrote... something malicious that I can not decipher.
> > >
> > > Good.
> > >
> > > A SuperNova, is that anything like Daylight?
> >
> > Bev, it seems you are implying that SuperNova and Daylight are the same
> > people, but I don't think SuperNova is catching on to your subtle references.
> > I know you've been trying to sort out the "sock puppets" for the last few
> > days... are you solid on this allegation?
>
> > I like your style... one of the more informed and well referenced posters
> > I've seen on Usenet and I too have been around since '93. I know you are well
> > respected in a.s.d and I've read enough of your posts here the past few
> > weeks... and elsewhere over the past couple of years to understand your
> > propaganda and your intentions. Kudos.
> >
> > BTW, for all those who confuse your gender. I went to High School with a chap
> > named Beverley (Baever Ley) Conners. Despite the teasing from the jocks he
> > carried his name with pride. Since my mothers name is also Beverley, I had
> > great respect for him.
> >
> > Keep up the good work my bookmarks are growing daily.
> >
> > Decker
SuperNova
Maybe, but in his attention to detail he ended up reversing the
meaning of my statements and even went so far as to post that
I am some other character on a newsgroup I do not read... some
other character who happens to have the exact opposite stance
that I do.
This accusations done so in an underhanded manner... this concept
of someone being a Usenet "mole" is absurd, ludicrous! Why would
I post thousands of posts against extremist Islam, for Israel,
for America, against anti-semites, against Neo-Nazis... and then
turn around and post a few hundred - or whatever - posts saying
the exact opposite things?
Or, should I suspect that every Neo-Nazi poster is really a anti-Neo-Nazi
poster? Every Democrat a Republican? If a man utters praise for
President Bush is he then showing himself as hating President
Bush?
Or, how serious is it when someone steals someone else's name and
goes about posting the opposite of their viewpoint on the Usenet? Or
when they charge someone with a abhorrent crime for which they
not only do not have evidence for - they have evidence against? Is
that "okay", too?
>
> >Then, Bev posted about seven links to me which were all dead. He
> >did not mention what they were about, but expected me to comment on
> >them. I pointed out they were all dead, and pointed out "anybody who
> >reads this article can see that"... and Bev started to ramble on
> >about "American conspiracies", and then insinuated in sideways
> >manners that I was lying.
>
> I believe Bev in his claim that his links were good when he posted
> them. I don't really think he meant you were lying, I think he was
> just pissed that his links are sometimes pulled whenever they go
> public. Although he has had to repost links in the past because of
> keyboard slipups or dead links. He's fairly diligent with that kind
> of thing.
Then, why did he start from there making that into three seperate
threads - or whatever - and start in with this nasty insinuations,
and twisting of my words? Why did he then start mumbling about some
'US plot to hijack Middle Eastern servers'?
How am I supposed to react to that? Generally, I would ignore
it and was in the process of getting out of that stupid, meaningless
thread... but then I found he had posted these weird things about
which had bizarre innuendo's I felt compelled to counter.
>
> <snip>
>
> >Shortly after this "Bev" starts two new threads on the subject,
> >rambling about how "404" means a "health club", and throwing
> >in statements like "so what, sunshine". This "Decker" poster
> >below alerted me to the fact that for these several back and
> >forths between "Bev" and myself... I was not getting that he
> >was cruelly slandering me by deliberately confusing me with
> >someone whom posts the exact opposite stances of which I have
> >been taking.
>
> I think he meant to post this link, slipped up on the .org not .com.
> The .com site is a Health Club
>
> http://www.wipl.org/wipl_kano.htm
I thought maybe "404" was his code for a Health Club... maybe "404"
is some Canadian health club I am unaware of. Honestly, I never
would have said anything had I not discovered this crap.
Yes, I have a button, and slander is it.
>
> <snipped lengthy accusations of slander with good references>
>
> I think that Bev has been trying to figure out if some of the posters
> in a.s.t are wearing two or three hats. I'm really can't see why he
> would confuse you with Daylight. That is why I asked him if he was
> "solid on this allegation". I agree with your stance on the slander
> issue. He really should have been up front with his identity theory
> and not make such sideways comments and insinuations. When I saw this
> I thought it was a bit out of character for Bev. He is
> confrontational, but his style serves a purpose and the two of you
> were having a great informative dialouge. Then things took a sharp
> turn when he started with the Daylight/sunshine/Supernova comments. I
> think he suspected you weren't who he thought you were and went on the
> attack.
I sometimes thought as much as he was putting in these strange
comments... which I commented on. Which I felt he denied. Then,
I discover all along this "daylight", "sunshine" crap was this
noxious poster...
See, but the problem here is -- I cross-posted something to that
newsgroup. I have stated as much. You want to see all of my posts,
look on soc.culture.israel, .palestine... and whatever else I
have replied to.
My posts there are consistently exposing extremist Islam and
Neo-Nazi groups. Had anyone bothered to actually go to google
groups, put in my author name, and put in these keywords... they
would see it would be physically impossible for any normal man
to have posted any more posts... and, I believe, to be any
more vehement on my stance against these groups.
But, I seriously... seriously... can not help wonder at this
"mole" idea.
>
> He started the dead links thread to get it into the limelight and not
> buried in your tete-a-tete. I suspect that he is half true about the
> dead links. It would be foolish not to think that U.S. agencies don't
> have at least two or three people or many more checking usenet and the
> web and shutting down pages in the name of National Security.
>
> Check this out:
> http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/11/02/Consumers/CiproWeb_011102
>
> An example of the government censoring legit business. Two of the
> companies were small town Manitoba pharmacists who've been selling
> Cipro online well before Sept. 11. I realize they are targeting
> mainly shady pharmacy sites but they don't seem to be too selective.
Perhaps, but I am not so willing to conjecture... if only at this
point because these points are not in my line of interests, and
I do not like wasting my time dealing with them... especially, when
it means I have to also deal with that lurid underground. I have
enough on my hands with all of the extremist Islamic posters. Not
that I consider speculation about what the US government is and
is not doing in regards to shutting down to sites anywhere near
as important.
>
> Finally, SuperNova I think you also have some excellent contributions
> to the group along with many others here who offer links to back up
> their statements. It's refreshing to know that there are some
> thinkers and educators out there who do more than spew rage, hatred
> and moronic genocidal diarrhea.
I don't post to that group. I did post a few times to solicit opinions
on what I felt like the group would probably be interested in. But,
"terrorism", I feel I am more specialized in Islamic terrorism and
Islamic versus American and Israeli issues... as well as Neo-Nazi
terrorism.
>
> Decker
>
> PS To some it's not good form to snip from the thread, I personally
> think you can go back and read the original messages. If you don't
> have good retention then look into getting a better news server.
Snip from what thread? He started several new threads. I put in
posts on this to cut off every place where my name might come up
with some unanswered slander.
Rage
Bev Thornton
> [Cancelled first replies, replacing with these because of errors.]
hahahahaha
> Bev's take on it was that the crackdown on White Supremacist groups
> would be good for them and bad for the United States. I disagreed.
My take is that there is an insurrection brewing. Never mentioned a
crackdown at all.
> Bev had problems with these points and wanted to try and claim Rwanda
> was a Christian crusade against non-Christians.
No, only that certain elements of the Chrisitan right did it. most of
the people killed were also Christian, just not the kind accepted by the
ones doing the killing.
> In fact, it is not,
Do tell.
> people are hearing. The extremist Muslims not only have atrocities within
> their lands... they are the originators and culpable for some of the worst
> genocides on the planet.
The Holocaust ring a bell?
That one was National Socialists.
> For all of these points, I was polite, and I dutifully dug up irrefutable
> evidence. I did definitely wonder why I was wasting my time with this
> individual.
I wondered too.
> Here Bev claims I am this "sunshine" fellow, "daylight", whatever,
> though I did not see this because I do not read their newsgroup.
I asked, not claimed.
> At one place he seems to insinuate in one of the new threads that
> I am somehow connected with white supremacist groups, and he posts
> url's saying, "look at your groups".
hahahahahaha
> I take this as very odd, but find it very hard to believe someone who
> has perhaps thousands of posts against Neo-Nazi's and Islamic extremists... that
> someone could possibly throw such a slanderous remark against me.
It's easy, I just type them out.
And as for slander, you're the only one writing it, Sunshine.
Bev Thornton
>
> What is slander? Slander is bearing false witness.
So sue me, Sunshine.
Bev Thornton
>
> I believe Bev in his claim that his links were good when he posted
> them. I don't really think he meant you were lying, I think he was
> just pissed that his links are sometimes pulled whenever they go
> public.
Yes. The only ones consistently going dead are the ones related to the
Libyan peace initiative.
> "solid on this allegation". I agree with your stance on the slander
> issue. He really should have been up front with his identity theory
> and not make such sideways comments and insinuations.
hahahahaha
Show me a slander I wrote.
> turn when he started with the Daylight/sunshine/Supernova comments. I
> think he suspected you weren't who he thought you were and went on the
> attack.
Not really. I was trying to create agitation by referencing
similarities. I wanted to see if anyone would get defensive and how they
would react. Now I know, eh?
Bev Thornton
>
> Then, why did he start from there making that into three seperate
> threads - or whatever - and start in with this nasty insinuations,
> and twisting of my words? Why did he then start mumbling about some
> 'US plot to hijack Middle Eastern servers'?
To see what would come up as a result of it.
> Yes, I have a button, and slander is it.
So sue me, Sunshine.
Bev Thornton
>
> Hrrm, so this is what "Bev" calls going around the Usenet representing
> me, saying that I am "pro-Jihadist",
Where did that ever occur, Sunshine?
Somewhere in daylight or in a long heat of night?
Bev Thornton
>
> Islam, with the Hadith, has the neccesary kill formula to prevent it
> from existing in peace with any other religion.
Did you know there are different canons of Hadith?
http://www.cam.org/islam/divisions.htm
And some produce very different expressions than those of the
extremists: http://www.naqshbandi.net/
Just as there is this kind of Christian church:
http://www.quaker.org/
And this kind:
http://www.chalcedon.edu/creed.html
And those two have the exact same canon.
Bev Thornton
Bev Thornton
>
> http://www.bcpl.net/~rfrankli/hatedir.htm
Wow! Thanks. got any more like that?
Decker
wrote:
>Decker, in <rgldutsl8acn1bl0p...@4ax.com>, wrote:
>>
>> I believe Bev in his claim that his links were good when he posted
>> them. I don't really think he meant you were lying, I think he was
>> just pissed that his links are sometimes pulled whenever they go
>> public.
>
>Yes. The only ones consistently going dead are the ones related to the
>Libyan peace initiative.
>
That is very odd. Are you thinking of anything to test your theory?
>> "solid on this allegation". I agree with your stance on the slander
>> issue. He really should have been up front with his identity theory
>> and not make such sideways comments and insinuations.
>
>hahahahaha
>
>Show me a slander I wrote.
I think SuperNova has more than enough context in his articles. You
implied/asked that he was someone he was not. Whatever your grand
intentions, you pissed him off. He has a right to vent. I know I was
the accelerant but now I think I should stay out.
>
>> turn when he started with the Daylight/sunshine/Supernova comments. I
>> think he suspected you weren't who he thought you were and went on the
>> attack.
>
>Not really. I was trying to create agitation by referencing
>similarities. I wanted to see if anyone would get defensive and how they
>would react. Now I know, eh?
But what have you learned that you could have found out without the
agitation. I know you enjoy the game but you sort of came in from
"left field" and mucked everything up ...or were you looking for
someone else to join the fray? :)
- Decker
Bev Thornton
>
> That is very odd. Are you thinking of anything to test your theory?
All done.
>>Show me a slander I wrote.
>
> I think SuperNova has more than enough context in his articles.
Ah, then you cannot show such a thing.
You're a fucking liar.
> intentions, you pissed him off. He has a right to vent. I know I was
> the accelerant but now I think I should stay out.
Do you now?
> But what have you learned that you could have found out without the
> agitation.
Who is quick to lie.
Decker
wrote:
>Decker, in <3BE66B25...@yahoo.ca>, wrote:
>>
>> Bev, it seems you are implying that SuperNova and Daylight are the same
>> people, but I don't think SuperNova is catching on to your subtle references.
>
>That's ok. I don't think they are the same people. I'm just being
>annoying, making a few ridiculous implications to try to smoke out
>things. I must also do things to ensure underestimation, the
>Daylight/Sunshine/SuperNova nonsense is one of those things.
>
I understand.
>When I first found-out about the American bio-terrorists Harris and
>Leavitt and posted it here, things went strange.
yes they did... I started posting. :)
>Here's another interesting article on the CI movement:
>http://www.ifas.org/fw/9707/identity.html
>and this one has a nice biblio at the bottom:
>http://www.rickross.com/reference/christian_identity/christianidentity.html
Now moved to:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/christian_identity/christianidentity7.html
>> I know you've been trying to sort out the "sock puppets" for the last few
>> days... are you solid on this allegation?
>
>Sockpuppets? There were two threads started that way maybe two weeks
>ago, I forget which ones but they were all off the same machine. I
>haven't noticed much since then.
>
>The sockpuppet threads went like, "We oughta do dis" "Yeah, that is the
>only rational course of action," and so on. The creation of consent.
I see, more propaganda. The war must be won by convincing the
American people that *all* actions of their government are justified,
including all actions taken by the "Homeland Security" team.
>> weeks... and elsewhere over the past couple of years to understand your
>> propaganda and your intentions. Kudos.
>
>hahahahaha, the troll revealed. I had to leave asd because I was too
>interested in the war and some of the people there know my friends
>and there is even one person who is very familiar and amazed by my
>personal network. So, I didn't want to scare people there by writing
>what I am finding out all of a sudden. Safer here where I am less
>believable and where vulnerable people will not be exposed to what I am
>now writing regarding terrorism.
Yes I agree with your relocation. A majority of the people in asd
don't need to be upset anymore than they probably already are with the
present state of the world. Vulnerable people should not be subjected
to your operations.
<snipped some interesting facts on the "Thornton" name>
>> Keep up the good work my bookmarks are growing daily.
>
>Mine are getting awful strange. There is an insurrectionist movement in
>the US and it is huge and it has been involved with the Islamicist
>extremists.
>
>Do this:
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=posse+comitatus+sheriff
>
>The first link to www.posse-comitatus.org goes forbidden, there is now
>IP authentication running on it. But you can see the page in the google
>cache with the 'Cached' link, what it looked like Nov 10, before the IP
>auth went up. If the cache is empty when you read this, I have a copy of
>the page.
>
It was still in the cache, got it saved. I'll read it tonight.
>I wish I'd known about them before they started trying to hide.
Yeah very weird.
"The Sheriff's Posse Comitatus website now restricted to
Member/Supporters ONLY."
Someone should drop pastor Kreis a line and see what he has to say for
himself.
- Decker
Bev Thornton
>
> I see, more propaganda. The war must be won by convincing the
> American people that *all* actions of their government are justified,
> including all actions taken by the "Homeland Security" team.
Yes.
> Yes I agree with your relocation. A majority of the people in asd
> don't need to be upset anymore than they probably already are with the
> present state of the world. Vulnerable people should not be subjected
> to your operations.
Operations?
hahahahahaha
Paranoia will destroy ya.
>>http://www.google.com/search?q=posse+comitatus+sheriff
>>
>>The first link to www.posse-comitatus.org goes forbidden, there is now
>>IP authentication running on it. But you can see the page in the google
>>cache with the 'Cached' link, what it looked like Nov 10, before the IP
>>auth went up. If the cache is empty when you read this, I have a copy of
>>the page.
>
> Yeah very weird.
>
> "The Sheriff's Posse Comitatus website now restricted to
> Member/Supporters ONLY."
>
> Someone should drop pastor Kreis a line and see what he has to say for
> himself.
Go ahead.
Miguel Galarza
SuperNova wrote:
Fenian Baever Ley wrote:
>
> > SuperNova, in <3BE3E983...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >>
> >> bookmarks, they all die in a few months.
>
> Do you like that last phrase?What phrase? You gave me a few links and all of them
were 404 or dead, but did not give me what the issues
were.Anybody can click on those links and see that this
is so.
You seem to be reading something strange into what
I wrote... something malicious that I can not decipher.
>
> Look at al Qaeda and your movement on this board:
> http://www.stormfront.org/forum/Huh? I don't need to waste my time reading some Neo-Nazi
board. As for "my" group, because they are in "America"...
"I" am not "America", if I made the decisions, if I
was the "judge of America"... I would first order all
of these people to be killed. Their presence pollutes
the land and they spread evil wherever they go.>
> Look at the hit list your movement maintains:
> http://zog.to/3/jihad/jihad06.htmThis is simply slander. So, if I find a criminal
in Canada, should I say, "you are this criminal,
it is your responsibilty to get rid of this criminal
and you did not, therefore you are this criminal". What
is that but nonsense.Tell you what, move to America and petition the
government to give me the ability to be judge,
jury, and executioner. Like Judge Dredd. Then, if
I leave any standing after gaining that position,
you can accuse me.<snip - more Neo-Nazi propagandist sites>
>
> Listen and Worship:
> http://www.rahowa.org/"Listen and worship", what the hell is that? That
is sick. What, you are really a Neo-Nazi?>
> Do you dance in the daylight?
>
> >> I do not agree with that intepretation of the law, I think they should
> >> be locked up. But, then again, I am in the middle because they are
> >> easy to be infilitrated in this way. I wonder if they are.
> >
> >> I do not agree with that intepretation of the law, I think they should
> >> be locked up. But, then again, I am in the middle because they are
> >> easy to be infilitrated in this way. I wonder if they are.
>
> Cat got your keyboard?That is an intentional misquote, my words were wrenched from their
context.You asked the same question, I have you the same answer. I replied
the second time saying, "Again," -- prefacing my statement.What part of "I do not agree with that interpretation of the law" [that
these hate sites are legal expressions of free speech] do you not
understand? When I say, "but again, I am in the middle of the issue" [ie,
I don't mind them being in the open because they are easier to investigate
that way]... whatever you are reading into that is wrong.Whether you like it or not, these groups must be ended, however
they can hide if they wish. When they hide, like with pedophiles,
they are much harder to bust... but they exist anyway. You can not
have "some of them", it is either or. At sometime, probably soon,
we have to crack down and eliminate all of them.You seem to believe they have the power to just rise up and
defeat the world. I do not believe this.>
> >> I am not political otherwise, I am an observer.
>
> Uhuh.And? You believe in politics, I do not. What good have you done that
you are in such a position to judge me without reasoning the
reason for your judgment or presenting the evidence of your judgment?>
> Later, Sunshine.>
> --
> Compute FREE: http://debian.org/ http:/WWW.quickinfo247.com/3853893 http://openbsd.org/
Decker
wrote:
>Decker, in <ah7eut0oelero6tu8...@4ax.com>, wrote:
>>
>> That is very odd. Are you thinking of anything to test your theory?
>
>All done.
So what did you learn?
>>>Show me a slander I wrote.
>>
>> I think SuperNova has more than enough context in his articles.
>
>Ah, then you cannot show such a thing.
>
>You're a fucking liar.
I think your cursing at me may be based on this statement that I made
to SuperNova:
"I agree with your stance on the slander issue. He really should
have been up front with his identity theory and not make such sideways
comments and insinuations."
I agreed with *his* stance on the "slander issue" and at the same time
clarified my statement by calling it an "identity theory". So if it's
a legal definition of slander you are looking for let's talk to a
judge. But three times now you've called me a liar. Wait no, a
"fucking liar" and then mispelled my nick in a derogatory way. That's
not very nice and actually could be considered slander.
http://www.duhaime.org/ca-defam.htm
So I'll humour you and the rest of the adoring crowd.
---------- BEGIN ---------
From: nite...@deadspam.com (Fenian Baever Ley)
Newsgroups:
soc.culture.palestine,alt.security.terrorism,alt.law-enforcement,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Aryan & Terrorist Groups Connected - Links Inside
Date: 3 Nov 2001 20:55:53 GMT
"Do you dance in the daylight?"
"Later, Sunshine."
----------
From: lusit...@home.com (Bev Thornton)
Newsgroups:
soc.culture.palestine,alt.security.terrorism,alt.law-enforcement,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Aryan & Terrorist Groups Connected - Links Inside
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 08:48:01 GMT
"A SuperNova, is that anything like Daylight?"
-----------
Newsgroups:
soc.culture.palestine,alt.security.terrorism,alt.law-enforcement,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
From: lusit...@home.com (Bev Thornton)
Subject: Re: Aryan & Terrorist Groups Connected - Links Inside
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:15:20 GMT
Decker, in <rgldutsl8acn1bl0p...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> turn when he started with the Daylight/sunshine/Supernova comments. I
> think he suspected you weren't who he thought you were and went on the
> attack.
"Not really. I was trying to create agitation by referencing
similarities. I wanted to see if anyone would get defensive and how
they
would react. Now I know, eh?"
------------
Newsgroups:
soc.culture.palestine,alt.security.terrorism,alt.law-enforcement,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
From: lusit...@home.com (Bev Thornton)
Subject: Re: Aryan & Terrorist Groups Connected - Links Inside
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:32:26 GMT
Decker, in <3BE66B25...@yahoo.ca>, wrote:
>
> Bev, it seems you are implying that SuperNova and Daylight are the same
> people, but I don't think SuperNova is catching on to your subtle references.
That's ok. I don't think they are the same people. I'm just being
annoying, making a few ridiculous implications to try to smoke out
things. I must also do things to ensure underestimation, the
Daylight/Sunshine/SuperNova nonsense is one of those things.
---------- END ---------
You are being a bit schizophrenic in your threads and it is rather
"annoying". Do you consider me smoked out yet? :P
>
>> intentions, you pissed him off. He has a right to vent. I know I was
>> the accelerant but now I think I should stay out.
>
>Do you now?
>
Well I thought I should until you started swearing at me.
>> But what have you learned that you could have found out without the
>> agitation.
>
>Who is quick to lie.
And so who is the liar?
- Decker
Bev Thornton
I learned about Freedom's End and Elohim City and some stuff about
some things called Patriot.
> not very nice and actually could be considered slander.
So sue me.
> You are being a bit schizophrenic in your threads and it is rather
> "annoying". Do you consider me smoked out yet? :P
No. I just consider you annoying.
They one who typed 'dupe' a whole bunch of times, different story there.
>>Who is quick to lie.
>
> And so who is the liar?
Did you miss it?
Decker
wrote:
>Decker, in <q48eutc2kunjj5cu0...@4ax.com>, wrote:
>>
>> Yes I agree with your relocation. A majority of the people in asd
>> don't need to be upset anymore than they probably already are with the
>> present state of the world. Vulnerable people should not be subjected
>> to your operations.
>
>Operations?
I don't know let's call it "Operation Trolling for Americans"
kinda weak I know but it's late.
>
>hahahahahaha
>
>Paranoia will destroy ya.
"silly boy ya' self-destroyer. paranoia, they destroy ya"
- Ray Davies, The Kinks
I know the song and am not the least bit paranoid.
>>
>> Someone should drop pastor Kreis a line and see what he has to say for
>> himself.
>
>Go ahead.
Maybe I will. Do you want me to CC: you on the email?
- Decker
Bev Thornton
>
> I don't know let's call it "Operation Trolling for Americans"
> kinda weak I know but it's late.
Insurrectionists, I'm trolling for insurrectionists.
> I know the song and am not the least bit paranoid.
The expression is older than the song.
> Maybe I will. Do you want me to CC: you on the email?
No. since I started writing here I get mailbombed at the address on the
post. Probably haven't even checked it in days. It's just a minor
nuisance.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE6DE93...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > Hrrm, so this is what "Bev" calls going around the Usenet representing
> > me, saying that I am "pro-Jihadist",
>
> Where did that ever occur, Sunshine?
HERE :->
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE6E593...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > Then, why did he start from there making that into three seperate
> > threads - or whatever - and start in with this nasty insinuations,
> > and twisting of my words? Why did he then start mumbling about some
> > 'US plot to hijack Middle Eastern servers'?
>
> To see what would come up as a result of it.
>
> > Yes, I have a button, and slander is it.
>
> So sue me, Sunshine.
Bev Thornton first posted in reply to one of my posts "Another Article: "Aryan
Action" Anthrax Suspect, White Supremacist and Islamic Extremist Terrorist
Groups Connection", Oct 27, 2001.
reference (Bev's positing history with me):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&hl=en&scoring=d&start=10&sa=N&filter=0
In that post I linked Islamic Extremism and White Supremacists.
Bev's take on it was that the crackdown on White Supremacist groups
would be good for them and bad for the United States. I disagreed.
reference (shows Bev's reply):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&start=10&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=19&selm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&filter=0
reference (shows I started the thread and what I posted):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&rnum=19&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DSuperNova%2Bauthor:Bev%2Bauthor:Thornton%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26scoring%3Dd%26rnum%3D19%26selm%3DOlCC7.123077%2524ob.2762486%2540news1.rdc1.bc.home.com%26filter%3D0
In another article of mine, where I showed that Islamic extremists
were working from within the United States, Bev replied to that
as well:
This was the next day. In this post I showed that Muslims were actually
the originators of some of the worst genocides in history... and despite
all of their "we are so wronged talk", that they are the ones who
so wrong others. I used the examples of Sudan, India, and Pakistan...
I pointed out that while Muslims get upset about using the word "crusade",
the fact is they are running "holy crusades" themselves and doing so
with absolute prejudice.
Bev had problems with these points and wanted to try and claim Rwanda
was a Christian crusade against non-Christians. In fact, it is not, and
I pulled out references saying as much. That is not enough though, what
upsets me is that Bev would do this in face of the very facts not enough
people are hearing. The extremist Muslims not only have atrocities within
their lands... they are the originators and culpable for some of the worst
genocides on the planet.
I don't like people trying to cover that up. These people have not issued
"apostasy orders" against any of these "jihadists", and until they do
all of their "Islam is peaceful" talk is just that, talk.
There are a few other points I disagreed with this "Bev" character on. I
disagreed that Bush "made millions from crack cocaine". I disagree that
'Americans all have a problem with certain words'. I disagreed that 'crime
in America is on the rise these past ten years'. I disagreed that 'crime
is so much worse in America than in Canada'.
For all of these points, I was polite, and I dutifully dug up irrefutable
evidence. I did definitely wonder why I was wasting my time with this
individual.
Then, Bev posted about seven links to me which were all dead. He
did not mention what they were about, but expected me to comment on
them. I pointed out they were all dead, and pointed out "anybody who
reads this article can see that"... and Bev started to ramble on
about "American conspiracies", and then insinuated in sideways
manners that I was lying.
Bev went on to talk at length about his operating system and his
newsreader. Finally, he got down to point out that his newsreader
checks these links before and after posting them.
Shortly after this "Bev" starts two new threads on the subject,
rambling about how "404" means a "health club", and throwing
in statements like "so what, sunshine". This "Decker" poster
below alerted me to the fact that for these several back and
forths between "Bev" and myself... I was not getting that he
was cruelly slandering me by deliberately confusing me with
someone whom posts the exact opposite stances of which I have
been taking.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> Decker, in <rgldutsl8acn1bl0p...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> >
> > I believe Bev in his claim that his links were good when he posted
> > them. I don't really think he meant you were lying, I think he was
> > just pissed that his links are sometimes pulled whenever they go
> > public.
>
> Yes. The only ones consistently going dead are the ones related to the
> Libyan peace initiative.
>
> > "solid on this allegation". I agree with your stance on the slander
> > issue. He really should have been up front with his identity theory
> > and not make such sideways comments and insinuations.
>
> hahahahaha
>
> Show me a slander I wrote.
BELOW.
>
> > turn when he started with the Daylight/sunshine/Supernova comments. I
> > think he suspected you weren't who he thought you were and went on the
> > attack.
>
> Not really. I was trying to create agitation by referencing
> similarities. I wanted to see if anyone would get defensive and how they
> would react. Now I know, eh?
Now you know what? That I am this character you are claiming I am?
I show the evidence that I am not, and that you were slandering and acting
otherwise extremely oddly below:
Bev Thornton first posted in reply to one of my posts "Another Article: "Aryan
Action" Anthrax Suspect, White Supremacist and Islamic Extremist Terrorist
Groups Connection", Oct 27, 2001.
reference (Bev's positing history with me):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&hl=en&scoring=d&start=10&sa=N&filter=0
In that post I linked Islamic Extremism and White Supremacists.
Bev's take on it was that the crackdown on White Supremacist groups
would be good for them and bad for the United States. I disagreed.
reference (shows Bev's reply):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&start=10&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=19&selm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&filter=0
reference (shows I started the thread and what I posted):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&rnum=19&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DSuperNova%2Bauthor:Bev%2Bauthor:Thornton%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26scoring%3Dd%26rnum%3D19%26selm%3DOlCC7.123077%2524ob.2762486%2540news1.rdc1.bc.home.com%26filter%3D0
In another article of mine, where I showed that Islamic extremists
were working from within the United States, Bev replied to that
as well:
This was the next day. In this post I showed that Muslims were actually
the originators of some of the worst genocides in history... and despite
all of their "we are so wronged talk", that they are the ones who
so wrong others. I used the examples of Sudan, India, and Pakistan...
I pointed out that while Muslims get upset about using the word "crusade",
the fact is they are running "holy crusades" themselves and doing so
with absolute prejudice.
Bev had problems with these points and wanted to try and claim Rwanda
was a Christian crusade against non-Christians. In fact, it is not, and
I pulled out references saying as much. That is not enough though, what
upsets me is that Bev would do this in face of the very facts not enough
people are hearing. The extremist Muslims not only have atrocities within
their lands... they are the originators and culpable for some of the worst
genocides on the planet.
I don't like people trying to cover that up. These people have not issued
"apostasy orders" against any of these "jihadists", and until they do
all of their "Islam is peaceful" talk is just that, talk.
There are a few other points I disagreed with this "Bev" character on. I
disagreed that Bush "made millions from crack cocaine". I disagree that
'Americans all have a problem with certain words'. I disagreed that 'crime
in America is on the rise these past ten years'. I disagreed that 'crime
is so much worse in America than in Canada'.
For all of these points, I was polite, and I dutifully dug up irrefutable
evidence. I did definitely wonder why I was wasting my time with this
individual.
Then, Bev posted about seven links to me which were all dead. He
did not mention what they were about, but expected me to comment on
them. I pointed out they were all dead, and pointed out "anybody who
reads this article can see that"... and Bev started to ramble on
about "American conspiracies", and then insinuated in sideways
manners that I was lying.
Bev went on to talk at length about his operating system and his
newsreader. Finally, he got down to point out that his newsreader
checks these links before and after posting them.
Shortly after this "Bev" starts two new threads on the subject,
rambling about how "404" means a "health club", and throwing
in statements like "so what, sunshine". This "Decker" poster
below alerted me to the fact that for these several back and
forths between "Bev" and myself... I was not getting that he
was cruelly slandering me by deliberately confusing me with
someone whom posts the exact opposite stances of which I have
been taking.
SuperNova
Action" Anthrax Suspect, White Supremacist and Islamic Extremist Terrorist
Groups Connection", Oct 27, 2001.
reference (Bev's positing history with me):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&hl=en&scoring=d&start=10&sa=N&filter=0
In that post I linked Islamic Extremism and White Supremacists.
Bev's take on it was that the crackdown on White Supremacist groups
would be good for them and bad for the United States. I disagreed.
reference (shows Bev's reply):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&start=10&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=19&selm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&filter=0
reference (shows I started the thread and what I posted):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&rnum=19&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DSuperNova%2Bauthor:Bev%2Bauthor:Thornton%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26scoring%3Dd%26rnum%3D19%26selm%3DOlCC7.123077%2524ob.2762486%2540news1.rdc1.bc.home.com%26filter%3D0
In another article of mine, where I showed that Islamic extremists
were working from within the United States, Bev replied to that
as well:
This was the next day. In this post I showed that Muslims were actually
the originators of some of the worst genocides in history... and despite
all of their "we are so wronged talk", that they are the ones who
so wrong others. I used the examples of Sudan, India, and Pakistan...
I pointed out that while Muslims get upset about using the word "crusade",
the fact is they are running "holy crusades" themselves and doing so
with absolute prejudice.
Bev had problems with these points and wanted to try and claim Rwanda
was a Christian crusade against non-Christians. In fact, it is not, and
I pulled out references saying as much. That is not enough though, what
upsets me is that Bev would do this in face of the very facts not enough
people are hearing. The extremist Muslims not only have atrocities within
their lands... they are the originators and culpable for some of the worst
genocides on the planet.
I don't like people trying to cover that up. These people have not issued
"apostasy orders" against any of these "jihadists", and until they do
all of their "Islam is peaceful" talk is just that, talk.
There are a few other points I disagreed with this "Bev" character on. I
disagreed that Bush "made millions from crack cocaine". I disagree that
'Americans all have a problem with certain words'. I disagreed that 'crime
in America is on the rise these past ten years'. I disagreed that 'crime
is so much worse in America than in Canada'.
For all of these points, I was polite, and I dutifully dug up irrefutable
evidence. I did definitely wonder why I was wasting my time with this
individual.
Then, Bev posted about seven links to me which were all dead. He
did not mention what they were about, but expected me to comment on
them. I pointed out they were all dead, and pointed out "anybody who
reads this article can see that"... and Bev started to ramble on
about "American conspiracies", and then insinuated in sideways
manners that I was lying.
Bev went on to talk at length about his operating system and his
newsreader. Finally, he got down to point out that his newsreader
checks these links before and after posting them.
Shortly after this "Bev" starts two new threads on the subject,
rambling about how "404" means a "health club", and throwing
in statements like "so what, sunshine". This "Decker" poster
below alerted me to the fact that for these several back and
forths between "Bev" and myself... I was not getting that he
was cruelly slandering me by deliberately confusing me with
someone whom posts the exact opposite stances of which I have
been taking.
reference :-> this is Bev's reply, he had first given me this
bad links, then had stated, "this one will work", then when
I said it did not, he doubted me he just said "so"... and this
post shows how he was throwing these slurs at me unbeknownest
to me. ("Sunshine" being his reference to "DayLight").
Here Bev claims I am this "sunshine" fellow, "daylight", whatever,
though I did not see this because I do not read their newsgroup.
Here is where Bev started to get really weird, and my reply to him. In
this reply he posts a lot of URL's, and I explain they are all, or almost
all dead:
As can be seen from the chornological order here, Bev takes from
that confrontation of his dead links and starts new, bizarre threads:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Bev+Thornton+author:SuperNova&hl=en&scoring=d&filter=0
At one place he seems to insinuate in one of the new threads that
I am somehow connected with white supremacist groups, and he posts
url's saying, "look at your groups".
I take this as very odd, but find it very hard to believe someone who
has perhaps thousands of posts against Neo-Nazi's and Islamic extremists... that
someone could possibly throw such a slanderous remark against me.
So, I take that what he was saying was that "because I am an American, I am
Bev Thornton
>
> BELOW.
That shows nothing, no slander occurred. Take it to a lawyer. Sue me.
Have fun.
SuperNova
Decker wrote:
>
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:15:20 GMT, lusit...@home.com (Bev Thornton)
> wrote:
>
> >Decker, in <rgldutsl8acn1bl0p...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe Bev in his claim that his links were good when he posted
> >> them. I don't really think he meant you were lying, I think he was
> >> just pissed that his links are sometimes pulled whenever they go
> >> public.
> >
> >Yes. The only ones consistently going dead are the ones related to the
> >Libyan peace initiative.
> >
>
> That is very odd. Are you thinking of anything to test your theory?
>
> >> "solid on this allegation". I agree with your stance on the slander
> >> issue. He really should have been up front with his identity theory
> >> and not make such sideways comments and insinuations.
> >
> >hahahahaha
> >
> >Show me a slander I wrote.
>
> I think SuperNova has more than enough context in his articles. You
> implied/asked that he was someone he was not. Whatever your grand
> intentions, you pissed him off. He has a right to vent. I know I was
> the accelerant but now I think I should stay out.
You are not the accelerant, you were as this:
A man rearranges a blind man's room, and then jokes about it with
someone else. That someone else tells the blind man and he is very
upset and angry. You represent that "someone". I did not know that
this Bev character was sitting there posting these remarks about me.
I don't really care, because I have a simple solution, I will paste
the evidence of the whole damn thing every place he continues in it.
This is because I don't care about a single trollish poster who
is not even staying on topics which interest me.
I am furious about the behaviour, but only when I think about it.
Honestly, people should always be honest and fair with all
people, in my opinion. If I knew someone was throwing about serious
accusations about even a stranger which I suspected was untrue,
and I was in such a position to tell that stranger... that would
be the right thing to do.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> Decker, in <ah7eut0oelero6tu8...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> >
> > That is very odd. Are you thinking of anything to test your theory?
>
> All done.
>
> >>Show me a slander I wrote.
> >
> > I think SuperNova has more than enough context in his articles.
>
> Ah, then you cannot show such a thing.
>
> You're a fucking liar.
>
EVIDENCE AGAINST BEV THORNTON BELOW, IN PLAIN ENGLISH
SuperNova
Thank you, Decker, very much.
One of the reasons I am so furious is because I was talking to Bev
and considering the person "friendly". Bev was not some extremist
Muslim poster, nor some Neo-Nazi terrorist. I did disagree with him
on some points I consider vastly unimportant.
****************************************************************
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> Decker, in <pndfutc1ji2qctfsu...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> >
> > So what did you learn?
>
> I learned about Freedom's End and Elohim City and some stuff about
> some things called Patriot.
>
> > not very nice and actually could be considered slander.
>
> So sue me.
>
> > You are being a bit schizophrenic in your threads and it is rather
> > "annoying". Do you consider me smoked out yet? :P
>
> No. I just consider you annoying.
>
> They one who typed 'dupe' a whole bunch of times, different story there.
>
> >>Who is quick to lie.
> >
> > And so who is the liar?
>
> Did you miss it?
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE6A864...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > What is slander? Slander is bearing false witness.
>
> So sue me, Sunshine.
I won't sue you, but I will expose you wherever you
continue to cross-post this insinuating, disgusting
slander which is ENTIRELY BASELESS.
****************************************************
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> Decker, in <q48eutc2kunjj5cu0...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> >
> > I see, more propaganda. The war must be won by convincing the
> > American people that *all* actions of their government are justified,
> > including all actions taken by the "Homeland Security" team.
>
> Yes.
>
> > Yes I agree with your relocation. A majority of the people in asd
> > don't need to be upset anymore than they probably already are with the
> > present state of the world. Vulnerable people should not be subjected
> > to your operations.
>
> Operations?
>
> hahahahahaha
>
> Paranoia will destroy ya.
That is what I say, great song. LOL.
But, Bev is an exposed "operator", whatever he is doing -- I don't
really care. That he is willing to submit himself to character
assassinations and slanderous remarks against anti-Neo-Nazi's
and anti-extremist Muslims... is extremely apparent:
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> Decker, in <dtffutgelgdokpnp3...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> >
> > I don't know let's call it "Operation Trolling for Americans"
> > kinda weak I know but it's late.
>
> Insurrectionists, I'm trolling for insurrectionists
Bev, himself is an insurrectionist.
***************************************************************
SuperNova
SuperNova
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE7C640...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > BELOW.
>
> That shows nothing, no slander occurred. Take it to a lawyer. Sue me.
> Have fun.
******************************* BEV THORNTON'S SLANDER *****************
SuperNova
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE5045D...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> >> http://news.excite.com/rews/r/011103/10/news-attack-binladen-text-dc
> >
> > No, its' not "up", it is 404 and anyone can click on it and see
> > that.
>
> Well, it was, these are all double-checked. The error now is 403, not
> 404, 403 is Forbidden, that's different.
>
> > The Excite link you pasted above is 404. Anybody who reads this
> > can click on it themselves and try. You want a screenshot, or what? I know
> > it is 404 on your end as well, I won't judge you... I will assume
> > that you have a bug in your software or whatever.
>
> No, and it is 403 right now. Verbotten.
>
> >> Too bad about the muslim peace movement, eh?
> >
> > ... you are preaching to the choir.
>
> What choir?
>
> > I am not "political", it is part of my religious beliefs.
>
> What are they?
>
> > be taken to mean anything you wish. I view things from a criminal,
> > judicial standpoint... not from a governmental standpoint. I do not
> > think this is such an easy thing to convey, I do not think it should
> > be assumed that you understand what I mean enough to negatively
> > judge my position.
>
> Ah, but you see, it is that I do not know you that I do not trust you.
SuperNova
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE522D3...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > I don't get "forbidden", I get:
>
> Odd, perhaps they have a distributed server scheme with inconsistent
> error reporting. Anyway, here is the article now, updated. I am
> wondering why it was 'updated.' I should have wondered about the odd
> directory name in the first place.
>
> http://news.excite.com/news/r/011103/10/news-attack-binladen-text-dc
>
> > That is in short. It should not be taken to be anything else. It is no
> > different than what Joan of Arc was saying, though. About the authorities
> > of the nations.
>
> A schizo teenager? What did she have to say about the authorities of
> nations?
>
> > It is fine to ask questions... though my belief set about these things
> > is pretty simple. I am generally "non-interference", though there are
> > times when there has to be direct intervention. Those times are total
> > intervention... and things tend to get nasty when they happen.
>
> Do they? How so?
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE7C640...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > BELOW.
>
> That shows nothing, no slander occurred. Take it to a lawyer. Sue me.
> Have fun.
Bev Thornton
>
> Bev had problems with these points and wanted to try and claim Rwanda
> was a Christian crusade against non-Christians. In fact, it is not,
In fact, that never happened.
Did you forget about the daylight, Sunshine?
Bev Thornton
>
> I won't sue you, but I will expose you wherever you
> continue to cross-post this insinuating, disgusting
> slander which is ENTIRELY BASELESS.
Baseless because it only happened in your itty, bitty mind, Sunshine.
Bev Thornton
You're cracked in the head, boy.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE7C818...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > Bev had problems with these points and wanted to try and claim Rwanda
> > was a Christian crusade against non-Christians. In fact, it is not,
>
> In fact, that never happened.
Look, I printed the full text. What does it take for you?
What is your problem? Below is the text of that very thing.
You are a proven slanderer, over and over again. My question
is why?
reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=lRQD7.134488%24ob.3069335%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DSuperNova%2B%2BRwanda%2Bauthor:Bev%2Bauthor:Thornton%26hl%3Den%26scoring%3Dd%26rnum%3D2%26selm%3DlRQD7.134488%2524ob.3069335%2540news1.rdc1.bc.home.com
<---------------------------------------SNIP-------------------->
From: Bev Thornton (lusit...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Dateline: Raising Money for Terrorists in the US 'The Christian and
Jew are pigs and donkeys'
Newsgroups: soc.culture.palestine, soc.culture.israel, alt.security.terrorism
View this article only
Date: 2001-10-28 18:53:40 PST
SuperNova, in <3BDCA6B7...@ehstah.com>, wrote:
>
> And, why do they get so hurt at the word "crusade" or think such a ludicrously
> slanderous thing... when, they are the only modern, major proponents of
> "religious wars", "jihads", or "Holy Crusades"?
They aren't the only ones. Don't forget the Rwandan Christian Democrats,
they killed 800,000 in three months in 1994.
> Here are some more facts -- why was he instructing Muslims to "not talk to
> the authorities about Sept 11",
Because he is a terrorist supporter.
Is he in jail now?
<--------------------------------SNIP--------------------------------------->
>
> Did you forget about the daylight, Sunshine?
I am not "daylight", slanderer.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE7C90F...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > I won't sue you, but I will expose you wherever you
> > continue to cross-post this insinuating, disgusting
> > slander which is ENTIRELY BASELESS.
>
> Baseless because it only happened in your itty, bitty mind, Sunshine.
One thing worse than a slanderer of such a serious charge, and
that is someone who persists in it in the face of all evidence.
SLANDERER:
Search Result 1
From: Bev Thornton (lusit...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Aryan & Terrorist Groups Connected - Links Inside
Newsgroups: soc.culture.palestine, alt.security.terrorism, alt.law-enforcement,
soc.culture.israel, soc.culture.jewish
View: Complete Thread (57 articles) | Original Format
Date: 2001-11-05 09:32:27 PST
Bev Thornton
>
> Look, I printed the full text. What does it take for you?
A quote. the full texts you linked and the verbatim quotes provided
contain no slanders of your person nor anyone else's for that matter.
What you are doing though, is slandering a person.
Funny how things work that way sometimes. Isn't it, Sunshine?
Decker
wrote:
>Decker, in <pndfutc1ji2qctfsu...@4ax.com>, wrote:
>>
>> So what did you learn?
>
>I learned about Freedom's End and Elohim City and some stuff about
>some things called Patriot.
Yeah I've learned a lot too I guess. Do you know of any similar
groups in Canada?
Never mind found this ugly place...
http://www.freedomsite.org/
Here's another U.S. one. Seems a little tame compared to some of the
other links you've posted:
http://www.antishyster.com/about%20constitutionalist.htm
>> not very nice and actually could be considered slander.
>
>So sue me.
Well with two lawyers in the family, my legal fees would be less than
yours. lol
Nah suing people for petty things like this is a waste of the courts
time as are a lot of other cases that show up on the docket.
>They one who typed 'dupe' a whole bunch of times, different story there.
>
a yes I read that one....
>>>Who is quick to lie.
>>
>> And so who is the liar?
>
>Did you miss it?
There's too many lies and half truths in this group, it's hard to keep
track.
Decker
>
>Thank you, Decker, very much.
no problem
>
>One of the reasons I am so furious is because I was talking to Bev
>and considering the person "friendly". Bev was not some extremist
>Muslim poster, nor some Neo-Nazi terrorist. I did disagree with him
>on some points I consider vastly unimportant.
>
Yes I consider Bev to be "fairly" friendly as well. Just roll with
it, there is some twisted method to the madness.
Decker
wrote:
>Decker, in <dtffutgelgdokpnp3...@4ax.com>, wrote:
>>
>> I don't know let's call it "Operation Trolling for Americans"
>> kinda weak I know but it's late.
>
>Insurrectionists, I'm trolling for insurrectionists.
Yes that is more suitable.
>> I know the song and am not the least bit paranoid.
>
>The expression is older than the song.
Didn't know that.
>> Maybe I will. Do you want me to CC: you on the email?
>
>No. since I started writing here I get mailbombed at the address on the
>post. Probably haven't even checked it in days. It's just a minor
>nuisance.
OK
Bev Thornton
>
> Yeah I've learned a lot too I guess. Do you know of any similar
> groups in Canada?
Yes.
The infamous Paul Thibideau:
http://www.serve.com/thibodep/cr/cr.htm
> Never mind found this ugly place...
> http://www.freedomsite.org/
Marc Lemire.
> Nah suing people for petty things like this is a waste of the courts
> time as are a lot of other cases that show up on the docket.
The kick is - how could a pseudonymous entity even be slandered at all?
> There's too many lies and half truths in this group, it's hard to keep
> track.
Isn't it though?
Myself, I am an indiscriminate agitator in this environment. I find it
brings out the best in people.
Bev Thornton
>>
>>The expression is older than the song.
>
> Didn't know that.
In WW2, some pilots used it as a joke about gremlins and AA and all.
There are photos here and there where it can be seen scrawled. Fifties
bikers picked it up, 'paranoia will destroy ya,' meant not to have too
many superstitions or bad thoughts toward the future.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE813A1...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > Look, I printed the full text. What does it take for you?
>
> A quote. the full texts you linked and the verbatim quotes provided
> contain no slanders of your person nor anyone else's for that matter.
Yes, they did, but I have realized you just want to try
and mess with me. Anyway, if you are denying all of this
evil crap you said about me then fine. This appears to be
what you are saying.
So, great, that is right, I am far from any of the things
you were saying.
>
> What you are doing though, is slandering a person.
>
> Funny how things work that way sometimes. Isn't it, Sunshine?
You previously stated "sunshine" was a reference to "daylight",
whom you were ludicrously trying to say I was. I will assume
now that you have taken this back and are just being weird.
Whatever, it is meaningless. Hope you had fun.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> Decker, in <di8gutg28lk6ggnbg...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> >
> > Yeah I've learned a lot too I guess. Do you know of any similar
> > groups in Canada?
>
> Yes.
>
> The infamous Paul Thibideau:
> http://www.serve.com/thibodep/cr/cr.htm
>
> > Never mind found this ugly place...
> > http://www.freedomsite.org/
>
> Marc Lemire.
>
> > Nah suing people for petty things like this is a waste of the courts
> > time as are a lot of other cases that show up on the docket.
>
> The kick is - how could a pseudonymous entity even be slandered at all?
>
> > There's too many lies and half truths in this group, it's hard to keep
> > track.
>
> Isn't it though?
>
> Myself, I am an indiscriminate agitator in this environment. I find it
> brings out the best in people.
Slap random people in the face, and yeah, you will tend to "bring
out the best in people".
Bev Thornton
>
> You previously stated "sunshine" was a reference to "daylight",
All those things and more. For instance, were it your own Sun in
nova, that consuming fire would be sunshine, Sunshine.
> Whatever, it is meaningless. Hope you had fun.
Much, thank you. It's been a hoot.
Decker
wrote:
>Decker, in <p6bgutggs0set521s...@4ax.com>, wrote:
>>>
>>>The expression is older than the song.
>>
>> Didn't know that.
>
>In WW2, some pilots used it as a joke about gremlins and AA and all.
>There are photos here and there where it can be seen scrawled. Fifties
>bikers picked it up, 'paranoia will destroy ya,' meant not to have too
>many superstitions or bad thoughts toward the future.
Reminds me of that Twilight Zone episode with Shatner. One of the
better ones.