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Dennis
Apr 24, 2012, 4:28:30 AM4/24/12
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Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
Wiesel did the same thing with President Bill Clinton regarding Bosnia at
the opening of the US Holocaust Museum.
I remember a cartoon from those days. It showed a filthy Serb soldier
standing atop a pile of skulls. Someone was handing him a slip of paper.
He said, "Aw, gee, not tougher sanctions!"
Let's hope it works better this time. :-(
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-visits-holocaust-museum-unveils-
syria-iran-sanctions-172140800.html
Obama visits Holocaust Museum, unveils new Syria and Iran sanctions
By Olivier Knox | The Ticket – 3 hrs ago
After a solemn walk through Washington's haunting United States Holocaust
Memorial Museum, President Barack Obama on Monday unveiled new sanctions
targeting Iran and Syria and extended American aid in the hunt for Joseph
Kony, the Lord's Resistance Army warlord.
Obama, with Holocaust survivor and Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel
at his side, toured the museum and wordlessly lit a memorial candle in
the cavernous Hall of Remembrance for the millions killed by Nazi
Germany.
"I say this as a president, and I say it as a father: We must tell our
children about a crime unique in human history," Obama said afterward
during a speech in the museum's packed auditorium.
"We must tell our children," Obama said. "But more than that, we must
teach them. Because remembrance without resolve is a hollow gesture.
Awareness without action changes nothing. In this sense, 'never again' is
a challenge to us all—to pause and to look within."
Obama announced sanctions on individuals who help Iran and Syria use
21st-century technology—like cellphone tracking or Internet monitoring—to
abet the crackdown on dissent in those countries. The sanctions include
freezing individuals' assets in the United States and banning people from
American soil. The White House did not provide a list of those affected
by the move.
"These technologies should be in place to empower citizens, not to
repress them," Obama said, warning Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's
supporters that they were "making a losing bet." Obama, who sent a small
number of special operations forces to central Africa last year as
advisers in the hunt for Kony, announced an extension of that mission "to
bring this madman to justice, and to save lives."
"It is part of our regional strategy to end the scourge that is the LRA,
and help realize a future where no African child is stolen from their
family and no girl is raped and no boy is turned into a child soldier,"
he said.
Obama, whom Republicans accuse of shortchanging Israeli security, also
vowed he "will always be there" for the Jewish state.
"When faced with a regime that threatens global security and denies the
Holocaust and threatens to destroy Israel, the United States will do
everything in our power to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon,"
he stressed.
Wiesel, who introduced Obama, wondered openly in his remarks whether
world leaders had learned from the inaction that made the Holocaust
possible:
If so, how is it that Assad is still in power? How is it that the
Holocaust's No. 1 denier, (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad, is
still a president, he who threatens to use nuclear weapons—to use nuclear
weapons—to destroy the Jewish state? Have we not learned? We must. We
must know that when evil has power, it is almost too late.
In a direct message to Obama, Wiesel declared, "I hope you understand, in
this place, why Israel is so important."
He said: "Israel cannot not remember. And because it remembers, it must
be strong—just to defend its own survival and its own destiny."
Obama said he would award the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's
highest civilian honor, to Jan Karski, a Polish Catholic who was among
the first to sound the alarm about the Holocaust.
And he announced that the governmental Atrocities Prevention Board he
created last August would hold its first meeting to discuss steps to
prevent mass killings.
"This is not an afterthought. This is not a sideline in our foreign
policy," Obama said.
The president also announced he would commission the first-ever National
Intelligence Estimate on mass killings—compiling the assessments of the
American intelligence community on the risks of and possible responses to
genocide.
"We need to be doing everything we can to prevent and respond to these
kinds of atrocities—because national sovereignty is never a license to
slaughter your people," he said.
After his speech, Obama shook hands with Holocaust survivors in the first
two rows of the audience.
John McCain, a frequent and vocal critic of Obama's foreign policy,
welcomed the president's announcements but said more must be done to help
Syria's opposition survive the government's deadly crackdown.
"The only way to stop the killing, force Assad to leave power, and create
the conditions for a negotiated political transition for Syria is to
change the military balance of power on the ground, including giving the
Syrian people the means to defend themselves," McCain, a Republican
senator from Arizona, said in a statement.
Wiesel did the same thing with President Bill Clinton regarding Bosnia at
the opening of the US Holocaust Museum.
I remember a cartoon from those days. It showed a filthy Serb soldier
standing atop a pile of skulls. Someone was handing him a slip of paper.
He said, "Aw, gee, not tougher sanctions!"
Let's hope it works better this time. :-(
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-visits-holocaust-museum-unveils-
syria-iran-sanctions-172140800.html
Obama visits Holocaust Museum, unveils new Syria and Iran sanctions
By Olivier Knox | The Ticket – 3 hrs ago
After a solemn walk through Washington's haunting United States Holocaust
Memorial Museum, President Barack Obama on Monday unveiled new sanctions
targeting Iran and Syria and extended American aid in the hunt for Joseph
Kony, the Lord's Resistance Army warlord.
Obama, with Holocaust survivor and Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel
at his side, toured the museum and wordlessly lit a memorial candle in
the cavernous Hall of Remembrance for the millions killed by Nazi
Germany.
"I say this as a president, and I say it as a father: We must tell our
children about a crime unique in human history," Obama said afterward
during a speech in the museum's packed auditorium.
"We must tell our children," Obama said. "But more than that, we must
teach them. Because remembrance without resolve is a hollow gesture.
Awareness without action changes nothing. In this sense, 'never again' is
a challenge to us all—to pause and to look within."
Obama announced sanctions on individuals who help Iran and Syria use
21st-century technology—like cellphone tracking or Internet monitoring—to
abet the crackdown on dissent in those countries. The sanctions include
freezing individuals' assets in the United States and banning people from
American soil. The White House did not provide a list of those affected
by the move.
"These technologies should be in place to empower citizens, not to
repress them," Obama said, warning Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's
supporters that they were "making a losing bet." Obama, who sent a small
number of special operations forces to central Africa last year as
advisers in the hunt for Kony, announced an extension of that mission "to
bring this madman to justice, and to save lives."
"It is part of our regional strategy to end the scourge that is the LRA,
and help realize a future where no African child is stolen from their
family and no girl is raped and no boy is turned into a child soldier,"
he said.
Obama, whom Republicans accuse of shortchanging Israeli security, also
vowed he "will always be there" for the Jewish state.
"When faced with a regime that threatens global security and denies the
Holocaust and threatens to destroy Israel, the United States will do
everything in our power to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon,"
he stressed.
Wiesel, who introduced Obama, wondered openly in his remarks whether
world leaders had learned from the inaction that made the Holocaust
possible:
If so, how is it that Assad is still in power? How is it that the
Holocaust's No. 1 denier, (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad, is
still a president, he who threatens to use nuclear weapons—to use nuclear
weapons—to destroy the Jewish state? Have we not learned? We must. We
must know that when evil has power, it is almost too late.
In a direct message to Obama, Wiesel declared, "I hope you understand, in
this place, why Israel is so important."
He said: "Israel cannot not remember. And because it remembers, it must
be strong—just to defend its own survival and its own destiny."
Obama said he would award the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's
highest civilian honor, to Jan Karski, a Polish Catholic who was among
the first to sound the alarm about the Holocaust.
And he announced that the governmental Atrocities Prevention Board he
created last August would hold its first meeting to discuss steps to
prevent mass killings.
"This is not an afterthought. This is not a sideline in our foreign
policy," Obama said.
The president also announced he would commission the first-ever National
Intelligence Estimate on mass killings—compiling the assessments of the
American intelligence community on the risks of and possible responses to
genocide.
"We need to be doing everything we can to prevent and respond to these
kinds of atrocities—because national sovereignty is never a license to
slaughter your people," he said.
After his speech, Obama shook hands with Holocaust survivors in the first
two rows of the audience.
John McCain, a frequent and vocal critic of Obama's foreign policy,
welcomed the president's announcements but said more must be done to help
Syria's opposition survive the government's deadly crackdown.
"The only way to stop the killing, force Assad to leave power, and create
the conditions for a negotiated political transition for Syria is to
change the military balance of power on the ground, including giving the
Syrian people the means to defend themselves," McCain, a Republican
senator from Arizona, said in a statement.
mir...@actcom.co.il
Apr 27, 2012, 9:53:37 AM4/27/12
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On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
Before he was elected he promised many things
After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
mirjam
cindys
Apr 27, 2012, 7:01:02 PM4/27/12
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On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
>
> I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> Before he was elected he promised many things
> After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
He didn't ditch Mubarak "just like that." At the beginning of the
> On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
>
> I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> Before he was elected he promised many things
> After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
protest, he supported Mubarak. Mubarak had been a US friend and ally,
but when it became obvious that Mubarak was finished, Obama really
didn't have a choice but to ditch him and accept the new government.
I'm not really sure what you think Obama should have done differently
in this regard.
> Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> mirjam
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
topazgalaxy
Apr 28, 2012, 9:25:23 PM4/28/12
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On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
different world view than prior Presidents which may have influenced
his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
want his daughters treated that way?
cindys
Apr 28, 2012, 11:48:50 PM4/28/12
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On Apr 28, 9:25 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
>
> > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> > Before he was elected he promised many things
> > After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
> > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> > mirjam
>
> His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may have a
> different world view than prior Presidents
----
> On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
>
> > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> > Before he was elected he promised many things
> > After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
> > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> > mirjam
>
> His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may have a
> different world view than prior Presidents
What different world view would that be? And why would he have this
different world view?
Best regards.
---Cindy S.
mir...@actcom.co.il
Apr 28, 2012, 11:55:35 PM4/28/12
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On Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:01:02 AM UTC+3, cindys wrote:
.....
>
> He didn't ditch Mubarak "just like that.
Well Cindy maybe that is how the Americans see it , by i travel a lot ob Public transport, and live in a city with a lot of Arab people ,,, and the feeling and talk in those places is that Obama ditched Mubarak ,,,,,
.....
>
> He didn't ditch Mubarak "just like that.
"How it looks" counts mostly in politics and History ...
> protest, he supported Mubarak. Mubarak had been a US friend and ally,
> but when it became obvious that Mubarak was finished, Obama really
> didn't have a choice
> but to ditch him and accept the new government.
> I'm not really sure what you think Obama should have done differently
> in this regard.
>
> Do you think Romney would do something different? I don't.
> Best regards,
But i am still upset about that Obama Cairo speech , ps in which he also
spoke the Arab version about Israel .
mirjam
topazgalaxy
Apr 29, 2012, 3:46:46 AM4/29/12
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the people protested in Iran and some were shot in the street.
Obama makes choices just like any other leader, to speak and to be
silent.
Has he said anything about the treatment of religious minorities in
Egypt such as the Jews and the Copts?
Or the oppression of women, like when Lara Logan was assaulted by a
crowd of men and accused of being a Jew?
topazgalaxy
Apr 29, 2012, 5:36:01 AM4/29/12
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about the Cairo Speech; and by the way IIRC Obama invited members of
the Muslim Brotherhood to his speech specifically, even though Mubarak
was still the leader
http://www.thepost.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1614240&archive=true
http://www.aei.org/article/society-and-culture/race-and-gender/obama-let-down-moderate-muslims/
topazgalaxy
Apr 29, 2012, 7:49:00 AM4/29/12
to
view America as a shining and special country, but instead views
America as just one country out of many in the world and nothing
more than that.
It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier than
its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own advancement
and keep humbling itself before other countries in the world.
As to why he would have this different world view, well, Obama's
upbringing by his family would be a major influence as well, as it is
for all of us..
cindys
Apr 29, 2012, 9:29:15 AM4/29/12
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
On Apr 29, 5:36 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a great fighter for freedom has also voiced concerns
> about the Cairo Speech; and by the way IIRC Obama invited members of
> the Muslim Brotherhood to his speech specifically, even though Mubarak
> was still the leader
>
> http://www.thepost.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1614240&archive=true
>
> http://www.aei.org/article/society-and-culture/race-and-gender/obama-...
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a great fighter for freedom has also voiced concerns
> about the Cairo Speech; and by the way IIRC Obama invited members of
> the Muslim Brotherhood to his speech specifically, even though Mubarak
> was still the leader
>
> http://www.thepost.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1614240&archive=true
>
cindys
Apr 29, 2012, 12:30:09 PM4/29/12
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>
> It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier than
> its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own advancement
> and keep humbling itself before other countries in the world.
>
> As to why he would have this different world view, well, Obama's
> upbringing by his family would be a major influence as well, as it is
> for all of us..
You mean his upbringing in Hawaii by his grandmother?
> It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier than
> its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own advancement
> and keep humbling itself before other countries in the world.
>
> As to why he would have this different world view, well, Obama's
> upbringing by his family would be a major influence as well, as it is
> for all of us..
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
topazgalaxy
Apr 29, 2012, 2:24:55 PM4/29/12
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Again IMO his upbringing by his family would be a major influence I
believe on his world view.
Wouldn't that be true for children in general , whatever country
they came from or whatever generation they came from?
Education and teachers also would be a major influence for many .
mir...@actcom.co.il
Apr 29, 2012, 5:27:08 PM4/29/12
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On Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:29:15 PM UTC+3, cindys wrote:
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
Excuse me Cindy !! i did not call anybody horrible ,,,,, i live here and have neighbors of all groups , you live There and tell me about my neighbors....
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
do you understand Arabic ?
have you ever worked and lived Arab people ? i do and did and did not say Horrible , i was quietly observing how your president Naively ,,, triggered some events ,,,,
mirjam
cindys
Apr 29, 2012, 6:10:48 PM4/29/12
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I was responding to Topazgalaxy's post, unless you were the person who
brought up and weblinked the Ayaan Hirsi Ali stuff. Please check the
attributions and the order of the replies.
Mirjam, with all due respect, this is not the first time that I have
responded to someone else's post, and you post an angry response at me
because you mistakenly believe that I am responding to you or
attacking you. This is not about you or about anything you wrote. This
is about the fact that topazgalaxy keeps hijacking threads to talk
about the horrors of Islam. The topic of this thread is Obama and the
US Holocaust Museum. It's not about Islam. It's not about Ayaan Hirsi
Ali. It's not about those horrible Muslims, and my post was not
directed at you or at anything you wrote. This is not about you.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
topazgalaxy
Apr 29, 2012, 7:46:14 PM4/29/12
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On Apr 29, 9:29 am, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
I view Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a great freedom fighter who is very
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
qualified to understand the flaws and strengths of Obama's Cairo
speech.
Mirjam raised the issue of the speech in Cairo and I responded.
If it were allowed I think Ayaan would make a great representative for
the USA at the United Nations.
JJ
Apr 29, 2012, 7:46:54 PM4/29/12
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"cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:84a0ef1b-8cc2-430e...@v2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
Same here. People I know may like or not like Obama, but I've never heard
anyone say that. On the contrary, when he speaks, he often talks of the
USA as only country where even he could become president, and consistently
says that everyone should have the same opportunities he did.
But I guess right wingers hear what they want to hear...
Jay
cindys
Apr 29, 2012, 7:57:05 PM4/29/12
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On Apr 29, 7:46 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:29 am, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> > many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> > Best regards,
> > ---Cindy S.
>
> I view Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a great freedom fighter who is very
> qualified to understand the flaws and strengths of Obama's Cairo
> speech.
> Mirjam raised the issue of the speech in Cairo and I responded.
> If it were allowed I think Ayaan would make a great representative for
> the USA at the United Nations.
-----
> On Apr 29, 9:29 am, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> > many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> > Best regards,
> > ---Cindy S.
>
> I view Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a great freedom fighter who is very
> qualified to understand the flaws and strengths of Obama's Cairo
> speech.
> Mirjam raised the issue of the speech in Cairo and I responded.
> If it were allowed I think Ayaan would make a great representative for
> the USA at the United Nations.
It's interesting how you always find some excuse to slip in Ayaan
Hirsi Ali (and that horrible Islam and those horrible Muslims) nearly
every time you post. Ayaan Hirsi Ali doesn't have anything at all to
do with Obama or Elie Wiesel or the US Holocaust Museum or this
thread.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Herman Rubin
Apr 29, 2012, 8:56:31 PM4/29/12
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On 2012-04-29, cindys <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
As long as those horrible Muslims want to take over the world,
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
starting with Israel.
> On Apr 29, 5:36 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a great fighter for freedom has also voiced concerns
>> about the Cairo Speech; and by the way IIRC Obama invited members of
>> the Muslim Brotherhood to his speech specifically, even though Mubarak
>> was still the leader
>> http://www.thepost.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1614240&archive=true
>> http://www.aei.org/article/society-and-culture/race-and-gender/obama-...
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hru...@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
Herman Rubin
Apr 29, 2012, 9:27:27 PM4/29/12
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On 2012-04-29, topazgalaxy <topaz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 11:48 pm, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 28, 9:25 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>> > > On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
>> > > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
>> > > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was
>elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under
>Missile attack he would have hit back .....
>> > > Before he was elected he promised many things >> > > After he
>was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and
>than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
>> > > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive
>, but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the
>world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president
>played along with this big lie ..
>> > > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
>> > > mirjam
>> > His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may have a
>> > different world view than prior Presidents
> On Apr 28, 11:48 pm, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 28, 9:25 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>> > > On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
>> > > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
>> > > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was
>elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under
>Missile attack he would have hit back .....
>> > > Before he was elected he promised many things >> > > After he
>was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and
>than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
>> > > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive
>, but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the
>world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president
>played along with this big lie ..
>> > > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
>> > > mirjam
>> > His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may have a
>> > different world view than prior Presidents
>> What different world view would that be? And why would he have this
>> different world view?
>> Best regards.
>> ---Cindy S.
>> > which may have influenced
>> > his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
>> > women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
>> > want his daughters treated that way?
> The impression that I have is that our current President does not
> view America as a shining and special country, but instead views
> America as just one country out of many in the world and nothing
> more than that.
He does not see that America is the country which proposed
>> different world view?
>> Best regards.
>> ---Cindy S.
>> > which may have influenced
>> > his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
>> > women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
>> > want his daughters treated that way?
> The impression that I have is that our current President does not
> view America as a shining and special country, but instead views
> America as just one country out of many in the world and nothing
> more than that.
and advanced the idea of freedom, including religious freedom,
and that religious freedom requires the religions present to
be tolerant of others, and not try to force their views.
> It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier than
> its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own advancement
> and keep humbling itself before other countries in the world.
by the left. It is antagonistic to the Americian ideal, give me
a chance and I will show you what I can do. It is what keeps
bright children from being allowed to learn at their rate, and
also that children should only learn how, and not why.
Children were taught to strive and do things if they could,
whether or not othes could do so, before the educationists
took over about 80 years ago. They instead put in the idea
of "peer group" and that "all were equal"; applied to athletics,
their approach would mean that nobody in the class could run
faster than any other.
> As to why he would have this different world view, well, Obama's
> upbringing by his family would be a major influence as well, as it is
> for all of us..
that I was raised in. Here is a quote:
"commpulsory education, with heterogeneous classes, forces upon
gifted children situations that would be analagous to those arising
if teachers and superintendents were compelled to consort daily,
unprotected, with giant thugs and gangsters" (p. 272)
Leta Hollingworth's "Children above 180 IQ".
Even in the stetl, the bright learned more and faster. And
the scholar was esteemed throughout Jewish history.
I do not think it quite that bad, but it also applies even to
normal and less gifted children. The predicted average value
of one gifted child, reduced to present values, is certainly
greater than that of a teacher.
Those who really should go to college should obtain far more
than the present elhi education by their early teens, if not
earlier. The situation IS that bad; the educationists set out
in the 1930s to reduce education to what THEY felt Joe Sixpack
needs, which then meant to get a rust belt job. Alas, they
succeeded too well.
topazgalaxy
Apr 29, 2012, 11:10:57 PM4/29/12
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[ Moderator's Comment: Please get back on Jewish content. hw ]
Again I was commenting on the Cairo Speech by our President and
Ayaan Hirsi Ali's opinion on that speech.
Another poster had raised the issue of the Cairo speech
Ayaan Hirsi Ali's opinion on that speech.
Another poster had raised the issue of the Cairo speech
topazgalaxy
Apr 29, 2012, 11:12:32 PM4/29/12
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On Apr 24, 4:28 am, Dennis <tsalagi18NOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
>
> Wiesel did the same thing with President Bill Clinton regarding Bosnia at
> the opening of the US Holocaust Museum.
>
> I remember a cartoon from those days. It showed a filthy Serb soldier
> standing atop a pile of skulls. Someone was handing him a slip of paper.
> He said, "Aw, gee, not tougher sanctions!"
>
> Let's hope it works better this time. :-(
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-visits-holocaust-museum-unve...
> Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
>
> Wiesel did the same thing with President Bill Clinton regarding Bosnia at
> the opening of the US Holocaust Museum.
>
> I remember a cartoon from those days. It showed a filthy Serb soldier
> standing atop a pile of skulls. Someone was handing him a slip of paper.
> He said, "Aw, gee, not tougher sanctions!"
>
> Let's hope it works better this time. :-(
>
Obama did visit a concentration camp early in his Presidency (above)
Speech in 2009-- Holocaust memorial
http://youtu.be/F3PCStC6Uog
mir...@actcom.co.il
Apr 30, 2012, 12:13:44 AM4/30/12
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On Monday, April 30, 2012 1:10:48 AM UTC+3, cindys wrote:
Cindy i responded to your responding on the person who brought up the Ayaan Hirshi supposed answer to the Cairo Speech, which i see as a bad speech.
i responded to this whole thread' because i am not impressed by President`s Obama viosit ti the Holocaust Museum , nor his seder Evenings in the Whilte house. Esp after comparing it to his Pre Election Shderot visit. So he vistited there and said some words ,,, which are meant to impress his future voters.
And i reacted to your words not because i supposed they were meant for me , but i think you time and again belittele other peoples` life long experiences.
Also Cindy i did not answer you an angry response. I answer you in a realistic manner. based on a life long experience, living amongst the people you mentioned . working with them, and last not least understanding what and how they speak.
I brought Up the Cairo speech, and the actions that followed it. i brought up the way People in the ME see this. Not how you want it to be seen.
And i see this Museum visit just as an pre election stunt.
Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding, what it means... does your President understand it?
mirjam
Cindy i responded to your responding on the person who brought up the Ayaan Hirshi supposed answer to the Cairo Speech, which i see as a bad speech.
i responded to this whole thread' because i am not impressed by President`s Obama viosit ti the Holocaust Museum , nor his seder Evenings in the Whilte house. Esp after comparing it to his Pre Election Shderot visit. So he vistited there and said some words ,,, which are meant to impress his future voters.
And i reacted to your words not because i supposed they were meant for me , but i think you time and again belittele other peoples` life long experiences.
Also Cindy i did not answer you an angry response. I answer you in a realistic manner. based on a life long experience, living amongst the people you mentioned . working with them, and last not least understanding what and how they speak.
I brought Up the Cairo speech, and the actions that followed it. i brought up the way People in the ME see this. Not how you want it to be seen.
And i see this Museum visit just as an pre election stunt.
Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding, what it means... does your President understand it?
mirjam
cindys
Apr 30, 2012, 1:08:05 AM4/30/12
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On Apr 30, 12:13 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
> On Monday, April 30, 2012 1:10:48 AM UTC+3, cindys wrote:
> On Monday, April 30, 2012 1:10:48 AM UTC+3, cindys wrote:
> Excuse me Cindy !! i did not call anybody horrible ,,,,, i live here and have neighbors of all groups , you live There and tell me about my neighbors....
What did I tell you about your neighbors?
> do you understand Arabic ?
> have you ever worked and lived Arab people ?
>i do and did and did not say Horrible ,
you. This is about Topazgalaxy and her dozens of posts about Islam and
the Koran all with the intent of demonstrating that Islam and Muslims
are horrible. This is a newsgroup that is intended for the discussion
of Jewish culture, not Islam, not the Koran, not how Muslims behave
amongst themselves and toward each other in Muslim countries.
> i was quietly observing how your president Naively ,,, triggered some events ,,,,
that topic.
>
> Cindy i responded to your responding on the person who brought up the Ayaan Hirshi supposed answer to the Cairo Speech
Ali speeches, and they are all about how horrible Islam is, and that's
what I was responding to.
>, which i see as a bad speech.
> i responded to this whole thread' because i am not impressed by President`s Obama viosit ti the Holocaust Museum , nor his seder Evenings in the Whilte house. Esp after comparing it to his Pre Election Shderot visit. So he vistited there and said some words ,,, which are meant to impress his future voters.
>
> And i reacted to your words not because i supposed they were meant for me , but i think you time and again belittele other peoples` life long experiences.
When have I done that? Some people may dislike what I have to say, but
> And i reacted to your words not because i supposed they were meant for me , but i think you time and again belittele other peoples` life long experiences.
I don't think I've belittled anybody's life experiences. I've
certainly never belittled yours.
> Also Cindy i did not answer you an angry response.
>I answer you in a realistic manner. based on a life long experience, living amongst the people you mentioned . working with them, and last not least understanding what and how they speak.
mentioned were Arabs/Muslims, I never said anything about them at all.
I was expressing my frustration that TopazGalaxy seems to turn every
thread into a discussion of how horrible the Muslims are and how
horrible Islam is. Perhaps you should have directed the above response
to her, since she (not I) is the one who is so intent on demonstrating
how evil they are.
>
> I brought Up the Cairo speech, and the actions that followed it. i brought up the way People in the ME see this. Not how you want it to be seen.
> And i see this Museum visit just as an pre election stunt.
didn't complain because you said something about it.
>
> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding, what it means... does your President understand it?
I would like to think he does.
> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding, what it means... does your President understand it?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
> mirjam
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Apr 30, 2012, 2:20:19 AM4/30/12
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Herman Rubin <hru...@skew.stat.purdue.edu> writes:
> cindys <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
>> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
>
> cindys <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
>> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
>
> As long as those horrible Muslims want to take over the world,
> starting with Israel.
Shame on you Herman for even _thinking_ that Muslims want to take
> starting with Israel.
over the world. Why should you think that? Just because they _say_
it?
--
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
May Eliezer Mordichai b. Chaya Sheina Rochel have a refuah shlaimah
btoch sha'ar cholei Yisroel.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Apr 30, 2012, 2:29:03 AM4/30/12
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cindys <cst...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
> mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
huge snip
>> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding, what it means.=
> mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
huge snip
>> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding, what it means.=
>> .. does your President understand it?
>
> I would like to think he does.
Wishful thinking is no substitute for facts.
>
> I would like to think he does.
topazgalaxy
Apr 30, 2012, 3:53:01 AM4/30/12
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On Apr 29, 9:27 pm, Herman Rubin <hru...@skew.stat.purdue.edu> wrote:
Excellent point.
Has the leadership of our country really spoken out against the
suppression of religious minorities in the Middle East and Africa? To
my knowledge, no.
> > It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier than
> > its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own advancement
> > and keep humbling itself before other countries in the world.
>
> This is straight leftist philosophy. It is why Israel is hated
> by the left. It is antagonistic to the Americian ideal, give me
> a chance and I will show you what I can do. It is what keeps
> bright children from being allowed to learn at their rate, and
> also that children should only learn how, and not why.
The book The Israel Test by George Gilder supports what you have
said.
Has the leadership of our country really spoken out against the
suppression of religious minorities in the Middle East and Africa? To
my knowledge, no.
> > It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier than
> > its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own advancement
> > and keep humbling itself before other countries in the world.
>
> This is straight leftist philosophy. It is why Israel is hated
> by the left. It is antagonistic to the Americian ideal, give me
> a chance and I will show you what I can do. It is what keeps
> bright children from being allowed to learn at their rate, and
> also that children should only learn how, and not why.
said.
cindys
Apr 30, 2012, 8:45:49 AM4/30/12
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On Apr 30, 2:29 am, mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
Nobody can see into somebody else's mind. How could somebody possibly
know "the facts" on something like that?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
> cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
> > mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>
> huge snip
>
> >> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding, what it means.=
> >> .. does your President understand it?
>
> > I would like to think he does.
>
> Wishful thinking is no substitute for facts.
----
> > mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>
> huge snip
>
> >> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding, what it means.=
> >> .. does your President understand it?
>
> > I would like to think he does.
>
> Wishful thinking is no substitute for facts.
Nobody can see into somebody else's mind. How could somebody possibly
know "the facts" on something like that?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Apr 30, 2012, 9:24:21 AM4/30/12
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cindys <cst...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>> cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
>> > mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>>
>> huge snip
>>
>> >> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding,
>> >> what it means... does your President understand it?
> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>> cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
>> > mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>>
>> huge snip
>>
>> >> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding,
>>
>> > I would like to think he does.
>>
>> Wishful thinking is no substitute for facts.
> ----
> Nobody can see into somebody else's mind. How could somebody
> possibly know "the facts" on something like that?
I suppose based on _actions_ rather than words.
>> > I would like to think he does.
>>
>> Wishful thinking is no substitute for facts.
> ----
> Nobody can see into somebody else's mind. How could somebody
> possibly know "the facts" on something like that?
JJ
Apr 30, 2012, 9:34:11 AM4/30/12
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"cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3d831e1f-5fe6-4b2c...@dc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
Otherwise he would not get my vote in November.
Jay
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Apr 30, 2012, 9:48:28 AM4/30/12
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cindys <cst...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
> topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>>> topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
snip
>>>> His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may
>>>> have a different world view than prior Presidents
>> > ----
>>> What different world view would that be? And why would he have
>>> this different world view?
>>
That's why he always talks about "consensus" and the "UN" rather
than "lead" the free world.
>> It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier
>> than its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own
>> advancement and keep humbling itself before other countries in
>> the world.
We've heard this from Herman many times. That's the reason Israel is
so hated on the Left. If it is more advanced than its neighbors, it
_must_ be because they *exploited* those neighbors, not because of
its own initiative and hard work.
>> As to why he would have this different world view, well, Obama's
>> upbringing by his family would be a major influence as well, as
>> it is for all of us..
>
> You mean his upbringing in Hawaii by his grandmother?
I would say it's the influence of Saul Alinsky and those like him.
Obama cut his political teeth in Chicago as a "community organiser"
whatever that means.
> topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>>> topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
snip
>>>> His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may
>>>> have a different world view than prior Presidents
>> > ----
>>> What different world view would that be? And why would he have
>>> this different world view?
>>
>>>> which may have influenced his speech. Speaking of his daughters,
>>>> did he not think of the way women are treated in so many
>>>> countries in the Middle East? Would he want his daughters
>>>> treated that way?
>>
>> The impression that I have is that our current President does not
>> view America as a shining and special country, but instead views
>> America as just one country out of many in the world and nothing
>> more than that.
>
> Who has that impression? Not anybody I know.
<Waves hand>
>>>> did he not think of the way women are treated in so many
>>>> countries in the Middle East? Would he want his daughters
>>>> treated that way?
>>
>> The impression that I have is that our current President does not
>> view America as a shining and special country, but instead views
>> America as just one country out of many in the world and nothing
>> more than that.
>
> Who has that impression? Not anybody I know.
That's why he always talks about "consensus" and the "UN" rather
than "lead" the free world.
>> It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier
>> than its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own
>> advancement and keep humbling itself before other countries in
>> the world.
so hated on the Left. If it is more advanced than its neighbors, it
_must_ be because they *exploited* those neighbors, not because of
its own initiative and hard work.
>> As to why he would have this different world view, well, Obama's
>> upbringing by his family would be a major influence as well, as
>> it is for all of us..
>
> You mean his upbringing in Hawaii by his grandmother?
Obama cut his political teeth in Chicago as a "community organiser"
whatever that means.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Apr 30, 2012, 10:41:50 AM4/30/12
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topazgalaxy <topaz...@gmail.com> writes:
> Herman Rubin <hru...@skew.stat.purdue.edu> wrote:
From Google i got a glimpse of them and am astounded. He tells it
like it is. No wonder the elitists don't want to hear him.
Thanks for the introduction.
> Herman Rubin <hru...@skew.stat.purdue.edu> wrote:
>> topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier
>>> than its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own
>>> advancement and keep humbling itself before other countries in
>>> the world.
>>
>> This is straight leftist philosophy. It is why Israel is hated
>> by the left. It is antagonistic to the Americian ideal, give me
>> a chance and I will show you what I can do. It is what keeps
>> bright children from being allowed to learn at their rate, and
>> also that children should only learn how, and not why.
>
> The book The Israel Test by George Gilder supports what you have
> said.
I never heard of the author George Gilder, nor any of his books.
>>> It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier
>>> than its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own
>>> advancement and keep humbling itself before other countries in
>>> the world.
>>
>> This is straight leftist philosophy. It is why Israel is hated
>> by the left. It is antagonistic to the Americian ideal, give me
>> a chance and I will show you what I can do. It is what keeps
>> bright children from being allowed to learn at their rate, and
>> also that children should only learn how, and not why.
>
> The book The Israel Test by George Gilder supports what you have
> said.
From Google i got a glimpse of them and am astounded. He tells it
like it is. No wonder the elitists don't want to hear him.
Thanks for the introduction.
topazgalaxy
Apr 30, 2012, 1:23:54 PM4/30/12
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On Apr 30, 10:41 am, mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
I have read the book The Israel Test some time ago.
Good book to have in one's collection. Admittedly dry and a bit boring
in some chapters but especially if a person lives in Israel it may
make one realize even more what an amazing country Israel really is.
Not everyone will agree with Gilder of course however I still have the
book in my personal collection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism
regarding your earlier post, I am going to take an educated guess and
say Obama has a philosophy that is like communitarianism, my guess
from his background.
See definition above.
You are welcome to the introduction to Gilder.
Good book to have in one's collection. Admittedly dry and a bit boring
in some chapters but especially if a person lives in Israel it may
make one realize even more what an amazing country Israel really is.
Not everyone will agree with Gilder of course however I still have the
book in my personal collection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism
regarding your earlier post, I am going to take an educated guess and
say Obama has a philosophy that is like communitarianism, my guess
from his background.
See definition above.
You are welcome to the introduction to Gilder.
Dennis
Apr 30, 2012, 6:56:35 PM4/30/12
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moshes wrote:
> cindys <cst...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
>> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>>> cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
>>> > mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>>>
>>> huge snip
>>>
>>> >> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding,
>>> >> what it means... does your President understand it?
>>>
>>> > I would like to think he does.
>>>
>>> Wishful thinking is no substitute for facts.
>> ----
>> Nobody can see into somebody else's mind. How could somebody
>> possibly know "the facts" on something like that?
>
> I suppose based on _actions_ rather than words.
Well, that's the point of Eli Wiesel's comments. He's not one to mince
> cindys <cst...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
>> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>>> cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
>>> > mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>>>
>>> huge snip
>>>
>>> >> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding,
>>> >> what it means... does your President understand it?
>>>
>>> > I would like to think he does.
>>>
>>> Wishful thinking is no substitute for facts.
>> ----
>> Nobody can see into somebody else's mind. How could somebody
>> possibly know "the facts" on something like that?
>
> I suppose based on _actions_ rather than words.
words, even wit POTUS's. He asked, if you wish not to repeat the
mistakes of the Shoah, then why is nothing being done about Syria and
Iran?
He made an even more emphatic remark to then-President Bill Clinton at
the Museum's opening. Wiesel said, "I have been to Bosnia, and I cannot
*not* tell you, Mr. President, you must do something to stop the killing
in Bosnia!!!"
Clinton heard him, but it wasn't enough. It finally took the Srebrenica
massacre for serious action that ended things.
I feel genuine hope that things can be worked out with Iran on their
nuclear weapons program.
As for Syria... I don't have much hope, alas. I don't know what it will
take, and action will not be easy. The only thing is, with the Internet
and the iPhone, it's all visible to the whole world.
Dennis
topazgalaxy
Apr 30, 2012, 9:57:15 PM4/30/12
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On Apr 30, 6:56 pm, Dennis <tsalagi18NOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> moshes wrote:
Dennis I read the opening post and I suppose I would interpret it
differently.
First off, what is a "genocide".?
Certainly I agree with you that the civil war in Syria is bloody and
terrible but is it really a genocide? What is the tribal group or
religious group or ethnic group in Syria that is being slaughtered,
or is it really people who are opposed -- and with good reason-- to
Assad's rule?
My impression from Weisel's statement was that the world needs a
strong Israel in the region.
The tragedy of Syria IMO is that could this more like tribal
warfare, a warfare sadly that the region and culture are prone to
before Europe was there.
I am not defending what is happening there, again I think it is
terrible, but what should the world do? What country, if any ,
should send in 'boots on the ground"?
As terrible as this civil war is, I would not compare it to the
Shoah. It is a different kind of bloodshed IMO. We may not really
know all the motivations for the war.
The other issue with the mess in Syria, is that if the Syrians are
busy killing each other they may not have the ability to attack
Israel or support Hezbollah.
It reminds me of when the PLO and HAMAS were at war with each other..
The loss of human life still indeed remains tragic. At least Israel
is not being blamed this time around.
Anyone keeping count of how many times Israel has been sanctioned by
the UN this year compared to Syria?
http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1289203/apps/s/content.asp?ct=11669047
http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2012/03/22/list-of-resolutions-from-the-19th-session-of-the-hrc/
http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1289203/apps/s/content.asp?ct=11669049
Here is a paragraph from the last link , of note--March 22 of this
year:
"GENEVA, March 22 - The UN's top human rights body condemned Israel
today in five separate resolutions, the same amount devoted to the
rest of the world combined. One farcical text, written by Syria, which
is now slaughtering its own people, found Israel guilty of major
violations in the Golan heights. Another created a "fact-finding
mission" into the settlements, which, like the notorious Goldstone
inquiry, is expected to generate a massive international legal,
political and media campaign, deflecting attention from abuses
committed by the resolution's sponsors—the Arab and Islamic blocs
including Iran, Syria and the Palestinians—and onto Israel. For more
on today's consequential vote, click here.
http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2012/03/22/uns-discredited-hrc-creates-goldstone-ii-new-investigation-against-israel/
Meanwhile Syria was elected to the UNESCO Human Rights Committee-- in
November
http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1289203/apps/s/content.asp?ct=11658817
> moshes wrote:
differently.
First off, what is a "genocide".?
Certainly I agree with you that the civil war in Syria is bloody and
terrible but is it really a genocide? What is the tribal group or
religious group or ethnic group in Syria that is being slaughtered,
or is it really people who are opposed -- and with good reason-- to
Assad's rule?
My impression from Weisel's statement was that the world needs a
strong Israel in the region.
The tragedy of Syria IMO is that could this more like tribal
warfare, a warfare sadly that the region and culture are prone to
before Europe was there.
I am not defending what is happening there, again I think it is
terrible, but what should the world do? What country, if any ,
should send in 'boots on the ground"?
As terrible as this civil war is, I would not compare it to the
Shoah. It is a different kind of bloodshed IMO. We may not really
know all the motivations for the war.
The other issue with the mess in Syria, is that if the Syrians are
busy killing each other they may not have the ability to attack
Israel or support Hezbollah.
It reminds me of when the PLO and HAMAS were at war with each other..
The loss of human life still indeed remains tragic. At least Israel
is not being blamed this time around.
Anyone keeping count of how many times Israel has been sanctioned by
the UN this year compared to Syria?
http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1289203/apps/s/content.asp?ct=11669047
http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2012/03/22/list-of-resolutions-from-the-19th-session-of-the-hrc/
http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1289203/apps/s/content.asp?ct=11669049
Here is a paragraph from the last link , of note--March 22 of this
year:
"GENEVA, March 22 - The UN's top human rights body condemned Israel
today in five separate resolutions, the same amount devoted to the
rest of the world combined. One farcical text, written by Syria, which
is now slaughtering its own people, found Israel guilty of major
violations in the Golan heights. Another created a "fact-finding
mission" into the settlements, which, like the notorious Goldstone
inquiry, is expected to generate a massive international legal,
political and media campaign, deflecting attention from abuses
committed by the resolution's sponsors—the Arab and Islamic blocs
including Iran, Syria and the Palestinians—and onto Israel. For more
on today's consequential vote, click here.
http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2012/03/22/uns-discredited-hrc-creates-goldstone-ii-new-investigation-against-israel/
Meanwhile Syria was elected to the UNESCO Human Rights Committee-- in
November
http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1289203/apps/s/content.asp?ct=11658817
topazgalaxy
May 28, 2012, 8:57:43 AM5/28/12
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On Apr 28, 11:48 pm, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 9:25 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
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> On Apr 28, 9:25 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>
> > > On Tuesday, April 24,201211:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
>
> > > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> > > Before he was elected he promised many things
> > > After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
> > > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> > > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> > > mirjam
>
> > His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. HoweverObamamay have a
> > > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
>
> > > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> > > Before he was elected he promised many things
> > > After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
> > > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> > > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> > > mirjam
>
> > different world view than prior Presidents
>
> ----
> What different world view would that be? And why would he have this
> different world view?
> Best regards.
>
> ----
> What different world view would that be? And why would he have this
> different world view?
> ---Cindy S.
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> > which may have influenced
> > his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
> > women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
> > want his daughters treated that way?
From a piece on Obama's mother in Wikipedia-- he (Obama) stated that
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> > which may have influenced
> > his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
> > women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
> > want his daughters treated that way?
his mother had a great influence on him-- I would think this is true
for so many of us
"In an interview, Barack Obama referred to his mother as "the dominant
figure in my formative years ... The values she taught me continue to
be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of
politics."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham
cindys
May 29, 2012, 8:45:19 AM5/29/12
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On May 28, 8:57 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
snip
anthropologist mother (who died in 1995 in Hawaii and was an atheist
BTW) held a great influence over him, therefore, by extension, his
"Muslim" father also greatly influenced him?
According to Urban Legends, both Obama's biological father and
stepfather abandoned Islam, the biological father (who returned to the
USA to attend Harvard when Obama was 2 years old) being an atheist,
and the stepfather being a lapsed Muslim. Obama's mother who detested
radical Islam and religious closed-mindedness of any sort was in
charge of Obama's education, including his religious education, so if
his mother had such a great influence on him, she clearly influenced
him to be an atheist and to reject any form of fundamentalist
religion.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_barack_obama_muslim.htm
--begin cite---
[...]
CLAIM: Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., was a "radical
Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia."
STATUS: FALSE. Though Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was raised a Muslim,
he had lost his faith and become a "confirmed atheist" by the time he
attended college, according to his son. Obama's parents separated when
Barack was two, his father moving not to Jakarta, but to the United
States, where he attended Harvard. Eventually he returned to Kenya.
CLAIM: Obama's mother went on to marry another Muslim named Lolo
Soetoro who "educated his stepson as a good Muslim by enrolling him in
one of Jakarta's Wahabbi [sic] schools."
STATUS: PARTLY TRUE. When Obama's mother remarried, it was indeed to
an Indonesian man named Lolo Soetoro, whom his stepson later described
as a "non-practicing" Muslim. But it was his "secular" mother who
directly supervised his education, Obama has written, sending him to
both Catholic and Muslim primary schools after the family moved to
Jakarta.
There's nothing on record to indicate Obama attended a madrassa
(Muslim religious school) run by Wahhabists, and in any case it's
unlikely his mother would have chosen to expose him to such an extreme
form of Islam given her stated abhorrence of religious closed-
mindedness and her stated goal of giving her son a well-rounded
education, including in matters of faith.
[...]
---end cite--
And BTW, your post was off-topic for SCJM.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
>
> "In an interview, Barack Obama referred to his mother as "the dominant
> figure in my formative years ... The values she taught me continue to
> be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of
> politics."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham
----
Right. How long did you mull over this? Obama's mother was born in
Wichita, Kansas and held a PhD in Anthropology. She lived most of her
adult life in Hawaii and Indonesia. Much of her work was focused on
creating microcredit work for women in poor villages. She died in
1995.
snip
>
> From a piece on Obama's mother in Wikipedia-- he (Obama) stated that
> his mother had a great influence on him-- I would think this is true
> for so many of us
1. And your point is what?: That because Obama stated that his
> From a piece on Obama's mother in Wikipedia-- he (Obama) stated that
> his mother had a great influence on him-- I would think this is true
> for so many of us
anthropologist mother (who died in 1995 in Hawaii and was an atheist
BTW) held a great influence over him, therefore, by extension, his
"Muslim" father also greatly influenced him?
According to Urban Legends, both Obama's biological father and
stepfather abandoned Islam, the biological father (who returned to the
USA to attend Harvard when Obama was 2 years old) being an atheist,
and the stepfather being a lapsed Muslim. Obama's mother who detested
radical Islam and religious closed-mindedness of any sort was in
charge of Obama's education, including his religious education, so if
his mother had such a great influence on him, she clearly influenced
him to be an atheist and to reject any form of fundamentalist
religion.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_barack_obama_muslim.htm
--begin cite---
[...]
CLAIM: Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., was a "radical
Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia."
STATUS: FALSE. Though Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was raised a Muslim,
he had lost his faith and become a "confirmed atheist" by the time he
attended college, according to his son. Obama's parents separated when
Barack was two, his father moving not to Jakarta, but to the United
States, where he attended Harvard. Eventually he returned to Kenya.
CLAIM: Obama's mother went on to marry another Muslim named Lolo
Soetoro who "educated his stepson as a good Muslim by enrolling him in
one of Jakarta's Wahabbi [sic] schools."
STATUS: PARTLY TRUE. When Obama's mother remarried, it was indeed to
an Indonesian man named Lolo Soetoro, whom his stepson later described
as a "non-practicing" Muslim. But it was his "secular" mother who
directly supervised his education, Obama has written, sending him to
both Catholic and Muslim primary schools after the family moved to
Jakarta.
There's nothing on record to indicate Obama attended a madrassa
(Muslim religious school) run by Wahhabists, and in any case it's
unlikely his mother would have chosen to expose him to such an extreme
form of Islam given her stated abhorrence of religious closed-
mindedness and her stated goal of giving her son a well-rounded
education, including in matters of faith.
[...]
---end cite--
And BTW, your post was off-topic for SCJM.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
>
> "In an interview, Barack Obama referred to his mother as "the dominant
> figure in my formative years ... The values she taught me continue to
> be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of
> politics."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham
Right. How long did you mull over this? Obama's mother was born in
Wichita, Kansas and held a PhD in Anthropology. She lived most of her
adult life in Hawaii and Indonesia. Much of her work was focused on
creating microcredit work for women in poor villages. She died in
1995.
topazgalaxy
May 29, 2012, 8:36:21 PM5/29/12
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"As to why he would have this different world view, well, Obama's
upbringing by his family would be a major influence as well, as it is
for all of us."
had a great influence on his world view today.
Again, this should be no surprise. Our parents often influence our
world views.
I did not mull over this very long at all.
You are bringing up his father in your post, not I.
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