Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
Wiesel did the same thing with President Bill Clinton regarding Bosnia at the opening of the US Holocaust Museum.
I remember a cartoon from those days. It showed a filthy Serb soldier standing atop a pile of skulls. Someone was handing him a slip of paper.
He said, "Aw, gee, not tougher sanctions!"
Obama visits Holocaust Museum, unveils new Syria and Iran sanctions
By Olivier Knox | The Ticket – 3 hrs ago
After a solemn walk through Washington's haunting United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, President Barack Obama on Monday unveiled new sanctions targeting Iran and Syria and extended American aid in the hunt for Joseph Kony, the Lord's Resistance Army warlord.
Obama, with Holocaust survivor and Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel at his side, toured the museum and wordlessly lit a memorial candle in the cavernous Hall of Remembrance for the millions killed by Nazi Germany.
"I say this as a president, and I say it as a father: We must tell our children about a crime unique in human history," Obama said afterward during a speech in the museum's packed auditorium.
"We must tell our children," Obama said. "But more than that, we must teach them. Because remembrance without resolve is a hollow gesture. Awareness without action changes nothing. In this sense, 'never again' is a challenge to us all—to pause and to look within."
Obama announced sanctions on individuals who help Iran and Syria use 21st-century technology—like cellphone tracking or Internet monitoring—to abet the crackdown on dissent in those countries. The sanctions include freezing individuals' assets in the United States and banning people from American soil. The White House did not provide a list of those affected by the move.
"These technologies should be in place to empower citizens, not to repress them," Obama said, warning Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's supporters that they were "making a losing bet." Obama, who sent a small number of special operations forces to central Africa last year as advisers in the hunt for Kony, announced an extension of that mission "to bring this madman to justice, and to save lives."
"It is part of our regional strategy to end the scourge that is the LRA, and help realize a future where no African child is stolen from their family and no girl is raped and no boy is turned into a child soldier," he said.
Obama, whom Republicans accuse of shortchanging Israeli security, also vowed he "will always be there" for the Jewish state.
"When faced with a regime that threatens global security and denies the Holocaust and threatens to destroy Israel, the United States will do everything in our power to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon," he stressed.
Wiesel, who introduced Obama, wondered openly in his remarks whether world leaders had learned from the inaction that made the Holocaust possible:
If so, how is it that Assad is still in power? How is it that the Holocaust's No. 1 denier, (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad, is still a president, he who threatens to use nuclear weapons—to use nuclear weapons—to destroy the Jewish state? Have we not learned? We must. We must know that when evil has power, it is almost too late.
In a direct message to Obama, Wiesel declared, "I hope you understand, in this place, why Israel is so important."
He said: "Israel cannot not remember. And because it remembers, it must be strong—just to defend its own survival and its own destiny."
Obama said he would award the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, to Jan Karski, a Polish Catholic who was among the first to sound the alarm about the Holocaust.
And he announced that the governmental Atrocities Prevention Board he created last August would hold its first meeting to discuss steps to prevent mass killings.
"This is not an afterthought. This is not a sideline in our foreign policy," Obama said.
The president also announced he would commission the first-ever National Intelligence Estimate on mass killings—compiling the assessments of the American intelligence community on the risks of and possible responses to genocide.
"We need to be doing everything we can to prevent and respond to these kinds of atrocities—because national sovereignty is never a license to slaughter your people," he said.
After his speech, Obama shook hands with Holocaust survivors in the first two rows of the audience.
John McCain, a frequent and vocal critic of Obama's foreign policy, welcomed the president's announcements but said more must be done to help Syria's opposition survive the government's deadly crackdown.
"The only way to stop the killing, force Assad to leave power, and create the conditions for a negotiated political transition for Syria is to change the military balance of power on the ground, including giving the Syrian people the means to defend themselves," McCain, a Republican senator from Arizona, said in a statement.
On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back ..... Before he was elected he promised many things After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that ..... Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie .. Why should Israelis believe anything now ? mirjam
> On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
> I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> Before he was elected he promised many things
> After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
He didn't ditch Mubarak "just like that." At the beginning of the
protest, he supported Mubarak. Mubarak had been a US friend and ally,
but when it became obvious that Mubarak was finished, Obama really
didn't have a choice but to ditch him and accept the new government.
I'm not really sure what you think Obama should have done differently
in this regard.
> Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> mirjam
Do you think Romney would do something different? I don't.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
> On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
> I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> Before he was elected he promised many things
> After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
> Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> mirjam
His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may have a
different world view than prior Presidents which may have influenced
his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
want his daughters treated that way?
> > On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
> > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> > Before he was elected he promised many things
> > After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
> > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> > mirjam
> His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may have a
> different world view than prior Presidents
----
What different world view would that be? And why would he have this
different world view?
Best regards.
---Cindy S.
> which may have influenced
> his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
> women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
> want his daughters treated that way?
On Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:01:02 AM UTC+3, cindys wrote:
.....
> He didn't ditch Mubarak "just like that.
Well Cindy maybe that is how the Americans see it , by i travel a lot ob Public transport, and live in a city with a lot of Arab people ,,, and the feeling and talk in those places is that Obama ditched Mubarak ,,,,, "How it looks" counts mostly in politics and History ...
> protest, he supported Mubarak. Mubarak had been a US friend and ally,
> but when it became obvious that Mubarak was finished, Obama really
> didn't have a choice
Why didn`t he have a choice ?
> but to ditch him and accept the new government.
> I'm not really sure what you think Obama should have done differently
> in this regard.
Not abandon Mubarak Verbally ,,
> Do you think Romney would do something different? I don't.
> Best regards,
I have No opinion about people i do not know , never have seen in action or never heard d talking
But i am still upset about that Obama Cairo speech , ps in which he also
spoke the Arab version about Israel . mirjam
> > On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
> > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> > Before he was elected he promised many things
> > After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
> He didn't ditch Mubarak "just like that." At the beginning of the
> protest, he supported Mubarak. Mubarak had been a US friend and ally,
> but when it became obvious that Mubarak was finished, Obama really
> didn't have a choice but to ditch him and accept the new government.
> I'm not really sure what you think Obama should have done differently
> in this regard.
> > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> > mirjam
> Do you think Romney would do something different? I don't.
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
He could have remained silent for a long long time as he did when
the people protested in Iran and some were shot in the street.
Obama makes choices just like any other leader, to speak and to be
silent.
Has he said anything about the treatment of religious minorities in
Egypt such as the Jews and the Copts?
Or the oppression of women, like when Lara Logan was assaulted by a
crowd of men and accused of being a Jew?
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:01:02 AM UTC+3, cindys wrote:
> .....
> > He didn't ditch Mubarak "just like that.
> Well Cindy maybe that is how the Americans see it , by i travel a lot ob Public transport, and live in a city with a lot of Arab people ,,, and the feeling and talk in those places is that Obama ditched Mubarak ,,,,,
> "How it looks" counts mostly in politics and History ...
> > protest, he supported Mubarak. Mubarak had been a US friend and ally,
> > but when it became obvious that Mubarak was finished, Obama really
> > didn't have a choice
> Why didn`t he have a choice ?
> > but to ditch him and accept the new government.
> > I'm not really sure what you think Obama should have done differently
> > in this regard.
> Not abandon Mubarak Verbally ,,
> > Do you think Romney would do something different? I don't.
> > Best regards,
> I have No opinion about people i do not know , never have seen in action or never heard d talking
> But i am still upset about that Obama Cairo speech , ps in which he also
> spoke the Arab version about Israel .
> mirjam
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a great fighter for freedom has also voiced concerns
about the Cairo Speech; and by the way IIRC Obama invited members of
the Muslim Brotherhood to his speech specifically, even though Mubarak
was still the leader
> On Apr 28, 9:25 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
> > > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> > > Before he was elected he promised many things
> > > After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
> > > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> > > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> > > mirjam
> > His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may have a
> > different world view than prior Presidents
> ----
> What different world view would that be? And why would he have this
> different world view?
> Best regards.
> ---Cindy S.
> > which may have influenced
> > his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
> > women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
> > want his daughters treated that way?
The impression that I have is that our current President does not
view America as a shining and special country, but instead views
America as just one country out of many in the world and nothing
more than that.
It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier than
its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own advancement
and keep humbling itself before other countries in the world.
As to why he would have this different world view, well, Obama's
upbringing by his family would be a major influence as well, as it is
for all of us..
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
On Apr 29, 5:36 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a great fighter for freedom has also voiced concerns
> about the Cairo Speech; and by the way IIRC Obama invited members of
> the Muslim Brotherhood to his speech specifically, even though Mubarak
> was still the leader
> On Apr 28, 11:48 pm, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 28, 9:25 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > > > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
> > > > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> > > > Before he was elected he promised many things
> > > > After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
> > > > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> > > > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> > > > mirjam
> > > His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may have a
> > > different world view than prior Presidents
> > ----
> > What different world view would that be? And why would he have this
> > different world view?
> > Best regards.
> > ---Cindy S.
> > > which may have influenced
> > > his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
> > > women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
> > > want his daughters treated that way?
> The impression that I have is that our current President does not
> view America as a shining and special country, but instead views
> America as just one country out of many in the world and nothing
> more than that.
Who has that impression? Not anybody I know.
> It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier than
> its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own advancement
> and keep humbling itself before other countries in the world.
> As to why he would have this different world view, well, Obama's
> upbringing by his family would be a major influence as well, as it is
> for all of us..
You mean his upbringing in Hawaii by his grandmother?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
> On Apr 29, 7:49 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 28, 11:48 pm, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 28, 9:25 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > > > > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
> > > > > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> > > > > Before he was elected he promised many things
> > > > > After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
> > > > > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president played along with this big lie ..
> > > > > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> > > > > mirjam
> > > > His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may have a
> > > > different world view than prior Presidents
> > > ----
> > > What different world view would that be? And why would he have this
> > > different world view?
> > > Best regards.
> > > ---Cindy S.
> > > > which may have influenced
> > > > his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
> > > > women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
> > > > want his daughters treated that way?
> > The impression that I have is that our current President does not
> > view America as a shining and special country, but instead views
> > America as just one country out of many in the world and nothing
> > more than that.
> Who has that impression? Not anybody I know.
> > It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier than
> > its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own advancement
> > and keep humbling itself before other countries in the world.
> > As to why he would have this different world view, well, Obama's
> > upbringing by his family would be a major influence as well, as it is
> > for all of us..
> You mean his upbringing in Hawaii by his grandmother?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
I am not commenting on what relative raised him and what location.
Again IMO his upbringing by his family would be a major influence I
believe on his world view.
Wouldn't that be true for children in general , whatever country
they came from or whatever generation they came from?
Education and teachers also would be a major influence for many .
On Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:29:15 PM UTC+3, cindys wrote:
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
Excuse me Cindy !! i did not call anybody horrible ,,,,, i live here and have neighbors of all groups , you live There and tell me about my neighbors.... do you understand Arabic ? have you ever worked and lived Arab people ? i do and did and did not say Horrible , i was quietly observing how your president Naively ,,, triggered some events ,,,, mirjam
> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:29:15 PM UTC+3, cindys wrote:
> > Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> > many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> > Best regards,
> > ---Cindy S.
> Excuse me Cindy !! i did not call anybody horrible ,,,,, i live here and have neighbors of all groups , you live There and tell me about my neighbors....
> do you understand Arabic ?
> have you ever worked and lived Arab people ? i do and did and did not say Horrible , i was quietly observing how your president Naively ,,, triggered some events ,,,,
> mirjam
-----
I was responding to Topazgalaxy's post, unless you were the person who
brought up and weblinked the Ayaan Hirsi Ali stuff. Please check the
attributions and the order of the replies.
Mirjam, with all due respect, this is not the first time that I have
responded to someone else's post, and you post an angry response at me
because you mistakenly believe that I am responding to you or
attacking you. This is not about you or about anything you wrote. This
is about the fact that topazgalaxy keeps hijacking threads to talk
about the horrors of Islam. The topic of this thread is Obama and the
US Holocaust Museum. It's not about Islam. It's not about Ayaan Hirsi
Ali. It's not about those horrible Muslims, and my post was not
directed at you or at anything you wrote. This is not about you.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
On Apr 29, 9:29 am, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
I view Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a great freedom fighter who is very
qualified to understand the flaws and strengths of Obama's Cairo
speech.
Mirjam raised the issue of the speech in Cairo and I responded.
If it were allowed I think Ayaan would make a great representative for
the USA at the United Nations.
> On Apr 29, 5:36 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a great fighter for freedom has also voiced concerns
> > about the Cairo Speech; and by the way IIRC Obama invited members of
> > the Muslim Brotherhood to his speech specifically, even though Mubarak
> > was still the leader
> On Apr 28, 11:48 pm, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 28, 9:25 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr > > 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
> > > > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
> > > > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was > > > > elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under > > > > Missile attack he would have hit back .....
> > > > Before he was elected he promised many things
> > > > After he was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo > > > > speech and than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
> > > > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive , but > > > > Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the > > > > world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president > > > > played along with this big lie ..
> > > > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
> > > > mirjam
> > > His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may have a
> > > different world view than prior Presidents
> > ----
> > What different world view would that be? And why would he have this
> > different world view?
> > Best regards.
> > ---Cindy S.
> > > which may have influenced
> > > his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
> > > women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
> > > want his daughters treated that way?
> The impression that I have is that our current President does not
> view America as a shining and special country, but instead views
> America as just one country out of many in the world and nothing
> more than that.
Who has that impression? Not anybody I know.
*************************************************
Same here. People I know may like or not like Obama, but I've never heard anyone say that. On the contrary, when he speaks, he often talks of the USA as only country where even he could become president, and consistently says that everyone should have the same opportunities he did.
But I guess right wingers hear what they want to hear...
On Apr 29, 7:46 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:29 am, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> > Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> > many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> > Best regards,
> > ---Cindy S.
> I view Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a great freedom fighter who is very
> qualified to understand the flaws and strengths of Obama's Cairo
> speech.
> Mirjam raised the issue of the speech in Cairo and I responded.
> If it were allowed I think Ayaan would make a great representative for
> the USA at the United Nations.
-----
It's interesting how you always find some excuse to slip in Ayaan
Hirsi Ali (and that horrible Islam and those horrible Muslims) nearly
every time you post. Ayaan Hirsi Ali doesn't have anything at all to
do with Obama or Elie Wiesel or the US Holocaust Museum or this
thread.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
> > On Apr 29, 5:36 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote
> > > Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a great fighter for freedom has also voiced concerns
> > > about the Cairo Speech; and by the way IIRC Obama invited members of
> > > the Muslim Brotherhood to his speech specifically, even though Mubarak
> > > was still the leader
On 2012-04-29, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
As long as those horrible Muslims want to take over the world,
starting with Israel.
-- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hru...@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
> On Apr 28, 11:48 pm, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 28, 9:25 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 27, 9:53 am, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>> > > On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28:30 AM UTC+3, Dennis wrote:
>> > > > Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
>> > > I am mot scolding your president but wondering ,,, before he was
>elected he visited Shderot and said that if his daughters were under
>Missile attack he would have hit back .....
>> > > Before he was elected he promised many things >> > > After he
>was elected he spoke that Famous [ignorant about ME] Cairo speech and
>than he ditched President Mubarak just like that .....
>> > > Oh i hoped that 10 months Freeze will do something positive
>, but Abu mazen laughed in all our faces and traveled all over the
>world....never to a meeting with our people ,,,,,,and your president
>played along with this big lie ..
>> > > Why should Israelis believe anything now ?
>> > > mirjam
>> > His Cairo speech was indeed quite ignorant. However Obama may have a
>> > different world view than prior Presidents
>> What different world view would that be? And why would he have this
>> different world view?
>> Best regards.
>> ---Cindy S.
>> > which may have influenced
>> > his speech. Speaking of his daughters, did he not think of the way
>> > women are treated in so many countries in the Middle East? Would he
>> > want his daughters treated that way?
> The impression that I have is that our current President does not
> view America as a shining and special country, but instead views
> America as just one country out of many in the world and nothing
> more than that.
He does not see that America is the country which proposed
and advanced the idea of freedom, including religious freedom,
and that religious freedom requires the religions present to
be tolerant of others, and not try to force their views.
> It is as if a country that has advanced it self, or is wealthier than
> its neighbors has to somehow feel guilty about its own advancement
> and keep humbling itself before other countries in the world.
This is straight leftist philosophy. It is why Israel is hated
by the left. It is antagonistic to the Americian ideal, give me
a chance and I will show you what I can do. It is what keeps
bright children from being allowed to learn at their rate, and
also that children should only learn how, and not why.
Children were taught to strive and do things if they could,
whether or not othes could do so, before the educationists
took over about 80 years ago. They instead put in the idea
of "peer group" and that "all were equal"; applied to athletics,
their approach would mean that nobody in the class could run
faster than any other.
> As to why he would have this different world view, well, Obama's
> upbringing by his family would be a major influence as well, as it is
> for all of us..
And this is completely antagonistic to the Jewish philosophy that I was raised in. Here is a quote:
"commpulsory education, with heterogeneous classes, forces upon
gifted children situations that would be analagous to those arising
if teachers and superintendents were compelled to consort daily,
unprotected, with giant thugs and gangsters" (p. 272)
Leta Hollingworth's "Children above 180 IQ".
Even in the stetl, the bright learned more and faster. And
the scholar was esteemed throughout Jewish history.
I do not think it quite that bad, but it also applies even to
normal and less gifted children. The predicted average value
of one gifted child, reduced to present values, is certainly
greater than that of a teacher.
Those who really should go to college should obtain far more
than the present elhi education by their early teens, if not
earlier. The situation IS that bad; the educationists set out
in the 1930s to reduce education to what THEY felt Joe Sixpack
needs, which then meant to get a rust belt job. Alas, they
succeeded too well.
-- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hru...@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
> On Apr 29, 7:46 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 29, 9:29 am, cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
> > > many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> > > Best regards,
> > > ---Cindy S.
> > I view Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a great freedom fighter who is very
> > qualified to understand the flaws and strengths of Obama's Cairo
> > speech.
> > Mirjam raised the issue of the speech in Cairo and I responded.
> > If it were allowed I think Ayaan would make a great representative for
> > the USA at the United Nations.
> -----
> It's interesting how you always find some excuse to slip in Ayaan
> Hirsi Ali (and that horrible Islam and those horrible Muslims) nearly
> every time you post. Ayaan Hirsi Ali doesn't have anything at all to
> do with Obama or Elie Wiesel or the US Holocaust Museum or this
> thread.
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
> > > On Apr 29, 5:36 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote
> > > > Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a great fighter for freedom has also voiced concerns
> > > > about the Cairo Speech; and by the way IIRC Obama invited members of
> > > > the Muslim Brotherhood to his speech specifically, even though Mubarak
> > > > was still the leader
> Wiesel asks some penetrating questions about Syria and Iran!
> Wiesel did the same thing with President Bill Clinton regarding Bosnia at
> the opening of the US Holocaust Museum.
> I remember a cartoon from those days. It showed a filthy Serb soldier
> standing atop a pile of skulls. Someone was handing him a slip of paper.
> He said, "Aw, gee, not tougher sanctions!"
> Obama visits Holocaust Museum, unveils new Syria and Iran sanctions
> By Olivier Knox | The Ticket – 3 hrs ago
> After a solemn walk through Washington's haunting United States Holocaust
> Memorial Museum, President Barack Obama on Monday unveiled new sanctions
> targeting Iran and Syria and extended American aid in the hunt for Joseph
> Kony, the Lord's Resistance Army warlord.
> Obama, with Holocaust survivor and Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel
> at his side, toured the museum and wordlessly lit a memorial candle in
> the cavernous Hall of Remembrance for the millions killed by Nazi
> Germany.
> "I say this as a president, and I say it as a father: We must tell our
> children about a crime unique in human history," Obama said afterward
> during a speech in the museum's packed auditorium.
> "We must tell our children," Obama said. "But more than that, we must
> teach them. Because remembrance without resolve is a hollow gesture.
> Awareness without action changes nothing. In this sense, 'never again' is
> a challenge to us all—to pause and to look within."
> Obama announced sanctions on individuals who help Iran and Syria use
> 21st-century technology—like cellphone tracking or Internet monitoring—to
> abet the crackdown on dissent in those countries. The sanctions include
> freezing individuals' assets in the United States and banning people from
> American soil. The White House did not provide a list of those affected
> by the move.
> "These technologies should be in place to empower citizens, not to
> repress them," Obama said, warning Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's
> supporters that they were "making a losing bet." Obama, who sent a small
> number of special operations forces to central Africa last year as
> advisers in the hunt for Kony, announced an extension of that mission "to
> bring this madman to justice, and to save lives."
> "It is part of our regional strategy to end the scourge that is the LRA,
> and help realize a future where no African child is stolen from their
> family and no girl is raped and no boy is turned into a child soldier,"
> he said.
> Obama, whom Republicans accuse of shortchanging Israeli security, also
> vowed he "will always be there" for the Jewish state.
> "When faced with a regime that threatens global security and denies the
> Holocaust and threatens to destroy Israel, the United States will do
> everything in our power to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon,"
> he stressed.
> Wiesel, who introduced Obama, wondered openly in his remarks whether
> world leaders had learned from the inaction that made the Holocaust
> possible:
> If so, how is it that Assad is still in power? How is it that the
> Holocaust's No. 1 denier, (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad, is
> still a president, he who threatens to use nuclear weapons—to use nuclear
> weapons—to destroy the Jewish state? Have we not learned? We must. We
> must know that when evil has power, it is almost too late.
> In a direct message to Obama, Wiesel declared, "I hope you understand, in
> this place, why Israel is so important."
> He said: "Israel cannot not remember. And because it remembers, it must
> be strong—just to defend its own survival and its own destiny."
> Obama said he would award the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's
> highest civilian honor, to Jan Karski, a Polish Catholic who was among
> the first to sound the alarm about the Holocaust.
> And he announced that the governmental Atrocities Prevention Board he
> created last August would hold its first meeting to discuss steps to
> prevent mass killings.
> "This is not an afterthought. This is not a sideline in our foreign
> policy," Obama said.
> The president also announced he would commission the first-ever National
> Intelligence Estimate on mass killings—compiling the assessments of the
> American intelligence community on the risks of and possible responses to
> genocide.
> "We need to be doing everything we can to prevent and respond to these
> kinds of atrocities—because national sovereignty is never a license to
> slaughter your people," he said.
> After his speech, Obama shook hands with Holocaust survivors in the first
> two rows of the audience.
> John McCain, a frequent and vocal critic of Obama's foreign policy,
> welcomed the president's announcements but said more must be done to help
> Syria's opposition survive the government's deadly crackdown.
> "The only way to stop the killing, force Assad to leave power, and create
> the conditions for a negotiated political transition for Syria is to
> change the military balance of power on the ground, including giving the
> Syrian people the means to defend themselves," McCain, a Republican
> senator from Arizona, said in a statement.
On Monday, April 30, 2012 1:10:48 AM UTC+3, cindys wrote:
Cindy i responded to your responding on the person who brought up the Ayaan Hirshi supposed answer to the Cairo Speech, which i see as a bad speech. i responded to this whole thread' because i am not impressed by President`s Obama viosit ti the Holocaust Museum , nor his seder Evenings in the Whilte house. Esp after comparing it to his Pre Election Shderot visit. So he vistited there and said some words ,,, which are meant to impress his future voters.
And i reacted to your words not because i supposed they were meant for me , but i think you time and again belittele other peoples` life long experiences. Also Cindy i did not answer you an angry response. I answer you in a realistic manner. based on a life long experience, living amongst the people you mentioned . working with them, and last not least understanding what and how they speak.
I brought Up the Cairo speech, and the actions that followed it. i brought up the way People in the ME see this. Not how you want it to be seen. And i see this Museum visit just as an pre election stunt.
Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding, what it means... does your President understand it?
mirjam
> On Monday, April 30, 2012 1:10:48 AM UTC+3, cindys wrote:
> Excuse me Cindy !! i did not call anybody horrible ,,,,, i live here and have neighbors of all groups , you live There and tell me about my neighbors....
What did I tell you about your neighbors?
> do you understand Arabic ?
> have you ever worked and lived Arab people ?
I don't understand how this is connected to anything I wrote.
>i do and did and did not say Horrible ,
And again, I did not say that you said "horrible." This is not about
you. This is about Topazgalaxy and her dozens of posts about Islam and
the Koran all with the intent of demonstrating that Islam and Muslims
are horrible. This is a newsgroup that is intended for the discussion
of Jewish culture, not Islam, not the Koran, not how Muslims behave
amongst themselves and toward each other in Muslim countries.
> i was quietly observing how your president Naively ,,, triggered some events ,,,,
Okay, but I wasn't responding to anything you or anybody else wrote on
that topic.
> Cindy i responded to your responding on the person who brought up the Ayaan Hirshi supposed answer to the Cairo Speech
In general, we have had dozens of posts with weblinks to Ayaan Hirsi
Ali speeches, and they are all about how horrible Islam is, and that's
what I was responding to.
>, which i see as a bad speech.
> i responded to this whole thread' because i am not impressed by President`s Obama viosit ti the Holocaust Museum , nor his seder Evenings in the Whilte house. Esp after comparing it to his Pre Election Shderot visit. So he vistited there and said some words ,,, which are meant to impress his future voters.
Fine, but I didn't comment about that.
> And i reacted to your words not because i supposed they were meant for me , but i think you time and again belittele other peoples` life long experiences.
When have I done that? Some people may dislike what I have to say, but
I don't think I've belittled anybody's life experiences. I've
certainly never belittled yours.
> Also Cindy i did not answer you an angry response.
It sounded angry.
>I answer you in a realistic manner. based on a life long experience, living amongst the people you mentioned . working with them, and last not least understanding what and how they speak.
You say you answered me, but I never asked a question. If the people I
mentioned were Arabs/Muslims, I never said anything about them at all.
I was expressing my frustration that TopazGalaxy seems to turn every
thread into a discussion of how horrible the Muslims are and how
horrible Islam is. Perhaps you should have directed the above response
to her, since she (not I) is the one who is so intent on demonstrating
how evil they are.
> I brought Up the Cairo speech, and the actions that followed it. i brought up the way People in the ME see this. Not how you want it to be seen.
> And i see this Museum visit just as an pre election stunt.
I don't think I said anything about the Cairo speech, and I certainly
didn't complain because you said something about it.
> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding, what it means... does your President understand it?
I would like to think he does.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Herman Rubin <hru...@skew.stat.purdue.edu> writes:
> cindys <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Obama, those horrible Muslims, horrible Islam. How
>> many times are we going to have to read this same off-topic post?
> As long as those horrible Muslims want to take over the world,
> starting with Israel.
Shame on you Herman for even _thinking_ that Muslims want to take
over the world. Why should you think that? Just because they _say_
it?
-- Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
May Eliezer Mordichai b. Chaya Sheina Rochel have a refuah shlaimah
btoch sha'ar cholei Yisroel.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University
>> Visiting a Holocaust Museum should be about understanding, what it means.=
>> .. does your President understand it?
> I would like to think he does.
Wishful thinking is no substitute for facts.
-- Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
May Eliezer Mordichai b. Chaya Sheina Rochel have a refuah shlaimah
btoch sha'ar cholei Yisroel.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University
