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Oscar Baldwin

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Sep 11, 2005, 12:05:21 AM9/11/05
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yzk

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Sep 11, 2005, 1:37:38 AM9/11/05
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Oscar Baldwin wrote:
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> Oscar
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Why would one WANT to join an army that kicks Jews out of their homes?

Yaakov K.

Eliyahu Rooff

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Sep 11, 2005, 2:16:31 AM9/11/05
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"yzk" <yaak...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Following that reasoning, why would one want to live in a country that
orders its army to kick Jews out of their homes?

Eliyahu

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Sep 11, 2005, 2:31:06 AM9/11/05
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Anti-semites and Jews who think like them.

Yediot Aharonot had an article quoting a senior military
source saying that the IDF has been given orders to stop
all terrorist attacks in order to help Sharon in his struggle
against Netanyahu. Now, if you use a little logic, we learn
from this that the IDF generally does NOT have orders to stop
all terrorism. Apparently, the regime thingks that a certain
level of terrorism is good, for a couple of reasons I can
think of (1) terrorism unites people around the regime and
gets their minds off things that bother people in other countries
such as corruption or economic problems and (2) it allows
the regime to say "see, terrorism won't stop until we
withdraw from all of Judea/Samaria/Gaza".

Food for thought.

J J Levin

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Sep 11, 2005, 9:11:17 AM9/11/05
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Seems that you DO believe the leftist press when it suits you...

Jay


yaakov_...@hotmail.com

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Sep 12, 2005, 12:47:20 AM9/12/05
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>
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> Seems that you DO believe the leftist press when it suits you...
>
I was waiting...even hoping you would say that. What do
you make of this story?

yaakov_...@hotmail.com

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Sep 12, 2005, 1:26:01 AM9/12/05
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?
> >
> Following that reasoning, why would one want to live in a country that
> orders its army to kick Jews out of their homes?

There is a mitzvah to live in Eretz Israel at all times, under all
conditions and all regimes. The question of "civil society" and
military service is related to how one relates to the Zionist
movement.

Don Levey

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Sep 12, 2005, 10:30:05 AM9/12/05
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yaakov_...@hotmail.com writes:

> Apparently, the regime thinks that a certain


> level of terrorism is good, for a couple of reasons I can
> think of (1) terrorism unites people around the regime and
> gets their minds off things that bother people in other countries
> such as corruption or economic problems and (2) it allows
> the regime to say "see, terrorism won't stop until we
> withdraw from all of Judea/Samaria/Gaza".
>
> Food for thought.
>

The first thing I thought was that a continued low level of terrorism
demonstrates to the populace that there is still an enemy that needs
fighting.
--
Don Levey If knowledge is power,
Framingham, MA and power corrupts, then...
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Oscar Baldwin

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Sep 13, 2005, 6:20:36 PM9/13/05
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mos...@mm.huji.ac.il

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Sep 14, 2005, 2:08:05 AM9/14/05
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"Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> writes:
> "yzk" <yaak...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> Oscar Baldwin wrote:
>>> http://www.mahal2000.com/about/join.htm
>>>
>> Why would one WANT to join an army that kicks Jews out of their homes?
>>
> Following that reasoning, why would one want to live in a country
> that orders its army to kick Jews out of their homes?

Eliyahu, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University

mos...@mm.huji.ac.il

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Sep 14, 2005, 2:10:05 AM9/14/05
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"J J Levin" <jjl...@optonline.net> writes:
> <yaakov_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Yediot Aharonot had an article quoting a senior military
>> source saying that the IDF has been given orders to stop
>> all terrorist attacks in order to help Sharon in his struggle
>> against Netanyahu. Now, if you use a little logic, we learn
>> from this that the IDF generally does NOT have orders to stop
>> all terrorism. Apparently, the regime thingks that a certain
>> level of terrorism is good, for a couple of reasons I can
>> think of (1) terrorism unites people around the regime and
>> gets their minds off things that bother people in other countries
>> such as corruption or economic problems and (2) it allows
>> the regime to say "see, terrorism won't stop until we
>> withdraw from all of Judea/Samaria/Gaza".
>
> Seems that you DO believe the leftist press when it suits you...

And you Jay ignore it, when it suits you...

mos...@mm.huji.ac.il

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Sep 14, 2005, 2:15:19 AM9/14/05
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Don Levey <Don_...@the-leveys.us> writes:
> yaakov_...@hotmail.com writes:
>
>> Apparently, the regime thinks that a certain
>> level of terrorism is good, for a couple of reasons I can
>> think of (1) terrorism unites people around the regime and
>> gets their minds off things that bother people in other countries
>> such as corruption or economic problems and (2) it allows
>> the regime to say "see, terrorism won't stop until we
>> withdraw from all of Judea/Samaria/Gaza".
>>
>> Food for thought.
>>
> The first thing I thought was that a continued low level of
> terrorism demonstrates to the populace that there is still an
> enemy that needs fighting.

So the victims of such "low level" are dying to fight a PR war for
the benefit of their _own_ citizens? <Shudder>

Giora Drachsler

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Sep 14, 2005, 7:40:03 AM9/14/05
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"Oscar Baldwin" <notso...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Please, elaborate!
--
Giora Drachsler
Jerusalem, Israel


Don Levey

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Sep 14, 2005, 8:28:54 AM9/14/05
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mos...@mm.huji.ac.il writes:

> Don Levey <Don_...@the-leveys.us> writes:
> > yaakov_...@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >> Apparently, the regime thinks that a certain
> >> level of terrorism is good, for a couple of reasons I can
> >> think of (1) terrorism unites people around the regime and
> >> gets their minds off things that bother people in other countries
> >> such as corruption or economic problems and (2) it allows
> >> the regime to say "see, terrorism won't stop until we
> >> withdraw from all of Judea/Samaria/Gaza".
> >>
> >> Food for thought.
> >>
> > The first thing I thought was that a continued low level of
> > terrorism demonstrates to the populace that there is still an
> > enemy that needs fighting.
>
> So the victims of such "low level" are dying to fight a PR war for
> the benefit of their _own_ citizens? <Shudder>
>

I'm cynical, and I don't like it, but it is something I could see a
government doing just that. The US has manufactured wars on less.

Giora Drachsler

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Sep 14, 2005, 9:18:38 AM9/14/05
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<yaakov_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You said "use a little logic". If you'll use more than a little
logic, you'll come out with a very different conclusion

Giora Drachsler

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Sep 15, 2005, 1:00:51 PM9/15/05
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"yzk" <yaak...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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It looks that you won't find the answer to that, no matter how intensively
you'll try.

Beach Runner

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Sep 16, 2005, 5:17:31 PM9/16/05
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This same IDF has kept Israel alive for over half a century. You can't
agree with everything or every policy but they've done a heck of an
impossible job.
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