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Shelly
Apr 20, 2012, 9:16:52 AM4/20/12
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This one is a little troubling in that I have mixed feelings. It is
great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
Jesus dragging the cross?
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/19/11281560-474-year-old-painting-stolen-by-nazis-given-to-owners-heirs?lite
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Shelly
great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
Jesus dragging the cross?
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/19/11281560-474-year-old-painting-stolen-by-nazis-given-to-owners-heirs?lite
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Shelly
cindys
Apr 20, 2012, 1:08:52 PM4/20/12
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On Apr 20, 9:16 am, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
> This one is a little troubling in that I have mixed feelings. It is
> great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> Jesus dragging the cross?
>
> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/19/11281560-474-year-old-pa...
> This one is a little troubling in that I have mixed feelings. It is
> great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> Jesus dragging the cross?
>
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Who knows? It's an extremely valuable piece of artwork, 500 years old,
painted by a famous artist. The original purchaser may have been an
assimilated Jew who was thrilled to pieces to own a piece of artwork
(any piece) by this particular artist. Suppose an original DaVinci
suddenly became available for sale on the open market and you could
afford the asking price, wouldn't you want to buy it? And if it so
happened that the painting had a Christian religious theme? Would you
pass up the opportunity to own an original DaVinci? Some Jews would.
Some Jews wouldn't.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
JJ
Apr 20, 2012, 1:16:05 PM4/20/12
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I would only add that Marc Chagall, a very Jewish artist, painted some
crucifixes. And if you've ever read Chaim Potok's book "My Name is Asher
Lev" it deals with a Jewish painter who is Orthodox and who shocks his
family and community by painting his father on a crucifix. Potok himself was
observant. The crucifix denotes martyrdom and sacrifice, and not necessarily
of the Christian kind.
Jay
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crucifixes. And if you've ever read Chaim Potok's book "My Name is Asher
Lev" it deals with a Jewish painter who is Orthodox and who shocks his
family and community by painting his father on a crucifix. Potok himself was
observant. The crucifix denotes martyrdom and sacrifice, and not necessarily
of the Christian kind.
Jay
Gary
Apr 20, 2012, 1:34:12 PM4/20/12
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Shelly
Apr 20, 2012, 1:44:13 PM4/20/12
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However, I wouldn't display it in my home.
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Shelly
Gary
Apr 20, 2012, 2:20:05 PM4/20/12
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:16:05 +0000 (UTC), "JJ" <dmr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Indeed. Many Jews were put to death by crucifixion.
wrote:
Yisroel Markov
Apr 20, 2012, 5:27:22 PM4/20/12
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:16:52 +0000 (UTC), Shelly
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Giorgies E Kepipesiom
Apr 20, 2012, 5:31:10 PM4/20/12
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On Apr 20, 9:16 am, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
> This one is a little troubling in that I have mixed feelings. It is
> great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> Jesus dragging the cross?
>
> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/19/11281560-474-year-old-pa...
> great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> Jesus dragging the cross?
>
What about depictions of Greek, Roman, Teuton, etc deities? What about
Hindu or Buddhis art? Would you find those troubling too, ori is it
only cristian themes that trouble you? What about secular pictures
showing frontal nudity? Or depicting sex acts? Would those trouble
you?
You ask: "However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a
thorned Jesus dragging the cross?" My best guess is that he was
investing in an object that he expected would significantly increase
in monetary value over time. It was stolen, and now it has been
returned. And the hoopla over the theft and eventual return can only
further increase the price it will fetch at auction.
Good Shabbos & good Chodesh
GEK
W. Baker
Apr 20, 2012, 6:45:48 PM4/20/12
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Yisroel Markov <ey.m...@munginame.com> wrote:
: On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:16:52 +0000 (UTC), Shelly
Exacty. How ofte do Jews attend concerts or own recordings of Christian
religious music. some of iti is incredibly beautiful music like the Bach
Bmino mass or Handel's Messiah of Beethoven's Missa Solemness or many
other works.
Wendy
: On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:16:52 +0000 (UTC), Shelly
religious music. some of iti is incredibly beautiful music like the Bach
Bmino mass or Handel's Messiah of Beethoven's Missa Solemness or many
other works.
Wendy
topazgalaxy
Apr 20, 2012, 10:08:24 PM4/20/12
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On Apr 20, 9:16 am, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
> This one is a little troubling in that I have mixed feelings. It is
> great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> Jesus dragging the cross?
>
> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/19/11281560-474-year-old-pa...
> great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> Jesus dragging the cross?
>
>
> --
> Shelly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girolamo_Romani
The painter who did the Jesus painting was a high Renaissance
painter who apparently did alot of Catholic works-- see link above.
It is possible that the Jewish person who had this painting received
it as a gift or an investment.
topazgalaxy
Apr 20, 2012, 10:08:57 PM4/20/12
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On Apr 20, 5:27 pm, Yisroel Markov <ey.mar...@MUNGiname.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:16:52 +0000 (UTC), Shelly
> <sheldo...@thevillages.net> said:
>
> >This one is a little troubling in that I have mixed feelings. It is
> >great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> >returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> >Jesus dragging the cross?
>
> >http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/19/11281560-474-year-old-pa...
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:16:52 +0000 (UTC), Shelly
> <sheldo...@thevillages.net> said:
>
> >This one is a little troubling in that I have mixed feelings. It is
> >great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> >returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> >Jesus dragging the cross?
>
>
> What's the problem? It's just art, no?
> --
> Yisroel "Godwrestler Warriorson" Markov - Boston, MA Memberwww.reason.com-- for a sober analysis of the world DNRC
> What's the problem? It's just art, no?
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> "Judge, and be prepared to be judged" -- Ayn Rand
Since this painting was returned, we could sing..."Hello Dali, well
> "Judge, and be prepared to be judged" -- Ayn Rand
hello Dali, it's so nice to have you back where you
belong...." (sung to the tune of Hello Dolly)
(OK, I know, wrong artist..I am trying to be a bit humorous here)
Henry Goodman
Apr 21, 2012, 5:59:11 PM4/21/12
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Including one called Jesus.
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Henry Goodman
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topazgalaxy
Apr 21, 2012, 9:16:13 PM4/21/12
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On Apr 20, 6:45 pm, "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote:
African American Jew-- Jewish music done gospel style.
http://www.joshuanelson.com/fr_home.cfm
Very soulful!
> Yisroel Markov <ey.mar...@munginame.com> wrote:
>
> : On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:16:52 +0000 (UTC), Shelly
>
> : On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:16:52 +0000 (UTC), Shelly
> : <sheldo...@thevillages.net> said:
>
> : >This one is a little troubling in that I have mixed feelings. It is
> : >great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> : >returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> : >Jesus dragging the cross?
> : >
> : >http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/19/11281560-474-year-old-pa...
>
> : >This one is a little troubling in that I have mixed feelings. It is
> : >great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> : >returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> : >Jesus dragging the cross?
> : >
>
> : What's the problem? It's just art, no?
> : --
> : Yisroel "Godwrestler Warriorson" Markov - Boston, MA Member
> :www.reason.com-- for a sober analysis of the world DNRC
> : What's the problem? It's just art, no?
> : --
> : Yisroel "Godwrestler Warriorson" Markov - Boston, MA Member
> : --------------------------------------------------------------------
> : "Judge, and be prepared to be judged" -- Ayn Rand
>
> Exacty. How ofte do Jews attend concerts or own recordings of Christian
> religious music. some of iti is incredibly beautiful music like the Bach
> Bmino mass or Handel's Messiah of Beethoven's Missa Solemness or many
> other works.
>
> Wendy
Or we could try to listen to the Kosher Gospel of Joshua Nelson, an
> : "Judge, and be prepared to be judged" -- Ayn Rand
>
> Exacty. How ofte do Jews attend concerts or own recordings of Christian
> religious music. some of iti is incredibly beautiful music like the Bach
> Bmino mass or Handel's Messiah of Beethoven's Missa Solemness or many
> other works.
>
> Wendy
African American Jew-- Jewish music done gospel style.
http://www.joshuanelson.com/fr_home.cfm
Very soulful!
Fattush
Apr 22, 2012, 3:29:29 AM4/22/12
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On Apr 20, 9:16 am, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
> This one is a little troubling in that I have mixed feelings. It is
> great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> Jesus dragging the cross?
>
> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/19/11281560-474-year-old-pa...
> great that a painting that was stolen from Jews by the Nazis has been
> returned. However, what was a Jew doing with THIS painting of a thorned
> Jesus dragging the cross?
>
>
> --
> Shelly
I am not troubled at all by a Jewish family owing such a painting.
It's a beautiful painting. A person can own a painting or a
photograph without worshiping the person
shown in it.
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