Free speech
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
I am not automoderated and get many posts rejected.
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who recently left his detritus on SCJM.
Josh
Andy Katz
Without agreeing or disagreeing with the characterizations offered,
Josh, I wish you'd stopped at "antisemitic".
And, incidentally, what's a chicano doing posting from Mexico?
Andy Katz
quon...@yahoo.com
> I am not automoderated and get many posts rejected.
> I'm thus not allowed to comment about a specific poster.
>
> If you see a new poster: BEFORE you respond, check out that
> person on //groups.google.com See what they've posted on other
> groups. See from where they're posting from.
In other words, you are suggesting that all of us behave like a bunch
of tinpot J. Edgar Hoovers.
A person whose goal is to sneak past the moderators so he can disrupt
the newsgroup is likely to use a new posting name, don't you agree?.
>This way we may
> avoid responding to an antisemitic Chicano posting from Mexico
The poster you seem to be referring to appears to be posting from
Uruguay, not Mexico. If you are going to investigate the people who
post here, do it correctly.
> who recently left his detritus on SCJM.
Why did you name this thread "free speech?" Is that a joke?
-- Q
>
> Josh
Cazador
Come on, Josh. I'm a gringo country lawyer from Michigan who owns a
winter home in Mexico. I'll be back in the summer cottage on Lake
Superior a little after the opening of brook trout season. I'm a
supporter of Israel but not of many of her policies. I acknowledge
that my primary concern is the long term welfare of the United States.
Israel and the US are in the same mess and a good part of it is
because of Israeli policy, something which should be faced squarely.
Another good part of it is because our political class has been unable
to gain concessions from Israel in exchange for our support. These
concerns are based on a lifetime of reading. But the fundamentals are
really not all that difficult.
Let's look at the issues. The problems in the region for both Israel
and the US are getting worse and worse. This ought to be obvious. And
the conclusion ought to be that both need to reconsider what they are
doing in the region. Neither can afford policies which can only result
in endless conflict with the entire Muslim world. Let's give some
thought to getting back within ourselves while there is still time.
The last thing we need is mindless replication of hard nosed but
failed policies with the stakes and the technology involved escalating
exponentially.
BTW it is inconceivable that American and Israeli interests are
equivalent. They overlap some but that's it. This is something which
has to be sorted out too.
Let me ask again. What has happened to that liberal and moderate
Jewish intelligentsia here in the United States? Why aren't they
standing up in this crisis? We benefitted from their selfless
leadership throughout most of the 20th Century but they seem to have
disappeared.
DoD
"Cazador" <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 13, 1:32 am, bac...@vms.huji.ac.il wrote:
> > I am not automoderated and get many posts rejected.
> > I'm thus not allowed to comment about a specific poster.
> >
> > If you see a new poster: BEFORE you respond, check out that
> > person on //groups.google.com See what they've posted on other
> > groups. See from where they're posting from. This way we may
> > avoid responding to an antisemitic Chicano posting from Mexico
> > who recently left his detritus on SCJM.
> >
> > Josh
>
> Come on, Josh. I'm a gringo country lawyer from Michigan who owns a
> winter home in Mexico. I'll be back in the summer cottage on Lake
> Superior a little after the opening of brook trout season. I'm a
> supporter of Israel
You have a funny way of showing it....
Mirelle:
> > > > THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST
> Cazador,
> The Book:
> What Price Israel
> Has been in publication for over 50 years.
> It is partly on the web.
> It goes into the ugly involvement by zionists with the Nazis:
Cazador:
Mirelle, thank you for this luminous essay which details so well the
terrible situation the U.S. has gotten itself into for failure to maintain
control of its relationship with Israel. I did not know Mr. Lilienthal's
book existed. In my personal journey I had to parse out the problem myself
over many years to come to similar conclusions--which I don't for a minute
contend equates me with this wonderful man. I am honored to be in the ranks
with him, at least in a very minor key sense. I'm sure you feel the same
way. Thanks again
Cazador soc.culture.israel Fri, Jan 12 2007 12:08 pm
The pictures of people demonstrating against Zionism and Israel on the Jews
Against Zionism website provided by Mirelle look like urban
Orthodox Jews to me. Apparently a Rabbi allied with them wrote this article
which contains information about political details related to the Holocaust
I hadn't encountered before. The gist of it is two-fold,
that Zionism is contrary to the Talmud and also has resulted in great danger
and loss of life for Jews, not only in the WWII era but subsequently in
Israel.
If this history is true it might be seen as a pretty good argument that
present day expansionist efforts of the Israeli Government are continuing to
subject the Jewish people to great danger.
Cazador soc.culture.israel Tues, Jan 9 2007 9:13 pm
So you say but the key to the truth of the matter is whether the offers
alleged to have been made and their rejections by Zionists did take place
and did result in hundreds of thousands of deaths among European
Jews.
cazador soc.culture.israel Wed, Jan 10 2007 10:45 pm
Defendario:
> Once all the Palestinians have been sufficiently genocided or forced to
> flee, the issue of the territories will become moot.
> Get it now?
Cazador:
That seems to be close to the strategy of successive Israeli
governments. It's obviously not working. It ought to be changed. It's
very bad for the US to be supporting such policies. The price is much
too high. So, why don't we just stop supporting them? Can you explain
that to me?
Defendario:
> The truly great powers ought to present the yehoodies with a /Diktat/
A gentle, loving Diktat, like, "You're ignoring our best interests.
Therefore, we're going to ignore your needs for money and F-16s and
diplomatic support.
Cazador soc.culture.israel Mon, Jan 8 2007 10:13 pm
The present day key to the problem lies with the US. We have enabled this
abuse of the Palestinian people for over 40 years. We have the power to end
it, but not the will. I've never seen anything quite so
strange as the relationship between Israel and the United States.
Cazador soc.culture.israel Sat, Dec 2 2006 1:01 pm
"Deborah is a hypocrite who refuses to take into account the price the
United States is paying for supporting Israel's crimes against humanity.
Israel's policies in Gaza and the West Bank are both
unnecessary and extremely destructive to American lives and interests."
Cazador, soc.culture.israel Fri, Jan 19 2007 9:56 am
The wedding twixt you and the neocons and American Evangelical niozionists
is all too apparent. We've had little difficulty in connecting you with such
inherent nobility.
Cazador soc.culture.israel Thurs, Jan 18 2007 8:46 pm
Maps can be worth even more than a thousand words. Here they leave no
question as to intentions. Be sure to scroll down so as not to miss the map
of the Apartheid Wall---and then a little further down the map
of South Africa before the end of apartheid.
http://normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=208
Cazador soc.culture.israel Wed, Feb 7 2007 1:01 pm
Ethnic Cleansing in Jerusalem, Israeli Style
Monday January 29, 2007 22:10 by Paul Findley - 1 of IMEMC Editorial
Group contrib at contrib dot com
Israeli authorities are carrying out a process in East Jerusalem that can
accurately be described as ethnic cleansing. It is plainly geared to uproot
Palestinians from an area that historically has been known
as Arab East Jerusalem and convert it into an integral, permanent part of
the capital of the Jewish state.
cazador soc.culture.jewish Sat, Feb 3 2007 11:52 pm
Where does it get you, Deborah, to play these legalistic games, to engage in
this transparent nonsense? Pre-1967 lines on the map separated the parties
to the dispute whether they were formally declared as international borders
or not.
Cazador soc.culture.israel Sun, Jan 7 2007 12:46 pm
How Jews were treated a century ago on another continent is not germane to
whether their successors shall be accorded the right to punish an innocent
people and culture for those crimes. Even worse if that is possible is the
idea that the United States should be required to pay most every price
exacted in response to this twisted distorition of justice. Americans did
not commit these European crimes. They owe nothing on the altar of Israeli
expansionism, aggression and viciousness, however understandable, if not
remotely
justifiable. America's stature in the world depends on whether she can rise
up from this thrall under which she struggles and iinsist that justice be
done for the Palestinian people.
cazador soc.culture.jewish Fri, Feb 2 2007 9:40 pm
cindys
"Cazador" <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> I am not automoderated and get many posts rejected.
>> I'm thus not allowed to comment about a specific poster.
>>
>> If you see a new poster: BEFORE you respond, check out that
>> person on //groups.google.com See what they've posted on other
>> groups. See from where they're posting from. This way we may
>> avoid responding to an antisemitic Chicano posting from Mexico
>> who recently left his detritus on SCJM.
>>
>> Josh
>
> Come on, Josh. I'm a gringo country lawyer from Michigan who owns a
> winter home in Mexico. I'll be back in the summer cottage on Lake
> Superior a little after the opening of brook trout season. I'm a
> supporter of Israel but not of many of her policies. I acknowledge
> that my primary concern is the long term welfare of the United States.
> Israel and the US are in the same mess and a good part of it is
> because of Israeli policy, something which should be faced squarely.
> Another good part of it is because our political class has been unable
> to gain concessions from Israel in exchange for our support.
What concessions would these be? That Israel should allow terrorists free
access to her citizens? That she should give away whatever passes for
*defensible* borders? Is that what the USA would do in the same situation?
>These
> concerns are based on a lifetime of reading. But the fundamentals are
> really not all that difficult.
>
> Let's look at the issues. The problems in the region for both Israel
> and the US are getting worse and worse. This ought to be obvious. And
> the conclusion ought to be that both need to reconsider what they are
> doing in the region. Neither can afford policies which can only result
> in endless conflict with the entire Muslim world.
Here's a newflash! The reason for the endless conflict with the entire
Muslim world is:
1. Their goal is to destroy all of Israel, and they will never cease and
desist in trying to achieve this goal no matter how many concessions Israel
would make. They have repeatedly stated that this is their goal.
2. The other reason for the endless conflict is that the Muslim world hates
the Western World with or without Israel.
Why don't you start placing blame where blame is due, which is the Muslim
religion which hates and strives to conquer anything that isn't Muslim.
Europe is well on its way to being Islamicized and this is not remotely
related to Israel. How ridiculous to try to blame Israel, a tiny sliver of
land in a sea of Arabs, for worldwide terrorism. What is going on in the
Muslim world is not about Israel. Israel is just an excuse. This is about
the Muslim desire to conquer the entire Western world (which they are well
on their way to doing in case you haven't heard). It's about time you woke
up and smelled the coffee.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Patricia Heil
"DoD" <navy...@excite.com> wrote in message
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This is exactly what I'm talking about.
dsha...@gmail.com
> > > I am not automoderated and get many posts rejected.
> > > I'm thus not allowed to comment about a specific poster.
> > > If you see a new poster: BEFORE you respond, check out that
> > > person on //groups.google.com See what they've posted on other
> > > groups. See from where they're posting from. This way we may
> > > avoid responding to an antisemitic Chicano posting from Mexico
> > > who recently left his detritus on SCJM.
> > > Josh
> "Cazador" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1171386670.9...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > Come on, Josh. I'm a gringo country lawyer from Michigan who owns a
> > winter home in Mexico. I'll be back in the summer cottage on Lake
> > Superior a little after the opening of brook trout season. I'm a
> > supporter of Israel
"DoD" <navyd...@excite.com> wrote:
> Delurking.....with a working email addy.....
Good to see you taking Josh's suggestion to heart - and how amusing!
Deborah
Cazador
I wish he had stopped before antisemitic. It's a conclusion to which
he should not have jumped.
Abe Kohen
> On Feb 13, 2:32 am, bac...@vms.huji.ac.il wrote:
> >This way we may
> > avoid responding to an antisemitic Chicano posting from Mexico
>
> The poster you seem to be referring to appears to be posting from
> Uruguay, not Mexico. If you are going to investigate the people who
> post here, do it correctly.
Seems Josh did do it correctly.
What's your excuse? Just standing up for another anti-semite?
Shavua Tov,
Abe
2-17-07
R'foo-ah shlay-ma l' Zahava Fruma bat Miriam
R'foo-ah shlay-ma to all victims of Islamofascist terror