News coverage
Eliyahu Rooff
page today with two current members of the synagogue at the succah we
built the other day. I was amazed, though, at how a reporter could get
so much misinformation into one small paragraph:
" Under the direction of Kate Rosenberg, Shelley Rubin shakes a palm
branch and a lemon twice in the four directions of the compass to help
secure the harvest during the Jewish celebration of Succoth on Tuesday
afternoon behind Whitman College's Reid Campus Center. The temporary
structure they are standing in is a succah, a modern version of booths
once used by pilgrims en route to Canaan."
Shelley actually had a regular "factory-made" lulav and an etrog, and I
have no idea where they got the information for the caption. I did send
a lengthy correction to the editor this evening, although I won't count
on any sort of correction ever appearing.
Eliyahu
Jackie
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newspaper photographer came and took pictures. However, the pictures run in
the paper were of the Chabad in an area closer to Toronto celebrating. I
guess we and the kids didn't look Jewish enough to satisfy the editor.
What can you do but face the fact that small town newspapers usually do not
have a clue about what and who we are and, what's more, don't seem to care
enough to make corrections when they make errors of fact about us.
Jackie (growing increasingly cynical as I age)
.
cindys
What's a "factory-made" lulav?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Don Levey
> "Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Shelley actually had a regular "factory-made" lulav
> -------
> What's a "factory-made" lulav?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
>
>
>
Perhaps this is to contrast with someone who had purchased the three
species separately and simply held them together? Or who only got
palm? THat's sort of what it sounds like from the paper.
--
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Why do you think the editor was not satisfied the way you look?
Giora Drachsler
Jerusalem, Israel
cindys
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> "cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
>
> > "Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:73G5f.1179$fm7...@fe06.lga...
> > >
> > > Shelley actually had a regular "factory-made" lulav
> > -------
> > What's a "factory-made" lulav?
> > Best regards,
> > ---Cindy S.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Perhaps this is to contrast with someone who had purchased the three
> species separately and simply held them together?
Nah...maybe in Israel you purchase these things separately but not in Walla,
Walla. The set-up arrives in a package.
>Or who only got
> palm?
I think if someone has the lulav and the esrog, he's also going to have the
myrtle and the willows. I was thinking maybe the lulav was artificial?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Malcolm
"Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote
and the reporter got mixed up.
Tends to happen. The journalist knows little about the subject, and then has
to present the information in an interesting and snappy way.
Don Levey
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> > "cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
> >
> > > "Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:73G5f.1179$fm7...@fe06.lga...
> > > >
> > > > Shelley actually had a regular "factory-made" lulav
> > > -------
> > > What's a "factory-made" lulav?
> > > Best regards,
> > > ---Cindy S.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Perhaps this is to contrast with someone who had purchased the three
> > species separately and simply held them together?
>
> Nah...maybe in Israel you purchase these things separately but not in Walla,
> Walla. The set-up arrives in a package.
>
Well, remember that Eliyahu was correcting the misinformation in the paper.
They said that she was holding a palm leaf and a lemon. Doesn't the word
"lulav" also mean palm leaf? So specifying it as he did was (to me) more
clear that it was a pre-assembled lulav, and an etrog.
> >Or who only got
> > palm?
>
> I think if someone has the lulav and the esrog, he's also going to have the
> myrtle and the willows. I was thinking maybe the lulav was artificial?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
Henry Goodman
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>
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> > "cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
> >
> > > "Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:73G5f.1179$fm7...@fe06.lga...
> > > >
> > > > Shelley actually had a regular "factory-made" lulav
> > > -------
> > > What's a "factory-made" lulav?
> > > Best regards,
> > > ---Cindy S.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Perhaps this is to contrast with someone who had purchased the
three
> > species separately and simply held them together?
>
> Nah...maybe in Israel you purchase these things separately but not
in Walla,
> Walla. The set-up arrives in a package.
>
If it's all packaged how do you provide fresh aravot during Chol
Hamoed. They don't last 7 days
--
Henry Goodman (who has the good fortune to have a willow tree in his
back garden)
henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
cindys
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> > "Don Levey" <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote in message
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> > > "cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > "Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:73G5f.1179$fm7...@fe06.lga...
> > > > >
> > > > > Shelley actually had a regular "factory-made" lulav
> > > > -------
> > > > What's a "factory-made" lulav?
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > ---Cindy S.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps this is to contrast with someone who had purchased the
> three
> > > species separately and simply held them together?
> >
> > Nah...maybe in Israel you purchase these things separately but not
> in Walla,
> > Walla. The set-up arrives in a package.
> >
>
> If it's all packaged how do you provide fresh aravot during Chol
> Hamoed. They don't last 7 days
1. You wrap the stems in wet paper towel and store them in a plastic bag in
the refrigerator.
2. If the above doesn't work, you find a neighbor who has an aravot bush and
cut fresh ones. (This is what we did this year).
At the risk of sounding naive, don't your aravot and hadassim come in sealed
plastic bags (from wherever), and you pick them up along with your lulav and
etrog (for one all-inclusive price)?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Dan Kimmel
>
> At the risk of sounding naive, don't your aravot and hadassim come in
sealed
> plastic bags (from wherever), and you pick them up along with your lulav
and
> etrog (for one all-inclusive price)?
They did this year, but it's the first time I'd ever seen it sold that way.
In previous years they came pre-packaged. (This is at the same place, the
famous Israel Book Store in Brookline, Mass.) I'm wondering if this is a
change or simply because of the calendar this year where Yom Kippur ended on
a Thursday night. I bought mine Friday morning because I didn't want to
face the crowd on Sunday. It was crowded enough.
cindys
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> "cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > At the risk of sounding naive, don't your aravot and hadassim come in
> sealed
> > plastic bags (from wherever), and you pick them up along with your lulav
> and
> > etrog (for one all-inclusive price)?
>
> They did this year, but it's the first time I'd ever seen it sold that
way.
> In previous years they came pre-packaged.
By "prepackaged," do you mean that in previous years, they were already
assembed with the lulav?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
>(This is at the same place, the
Henry Goodman
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> > >
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> > > > "cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > "Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:73G5f.1179$fm7...@fe06.lga...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shelley actually had a regular "factory-made" lulav
> > > > > -------
> > > > > What's a "factory-made" lulav?
> > three
> > > > species separately and simply held them together?
> > >
> > > Nah...maybe in Israel you purchase these things separately but
not
> > in Walla,
> > > Walla. The set-up arrives in a package.
> > >
> >
> > If it's all packaged how do you provide fresh aravot during Chol
> > Hamoed. They don't last 7 days
> ------
> 1. You wrap the stems in wet paper towel and store them in a plastic
bag in
> the refrigerator.
> 2. If the above doesn't work, you find a neighbor who has an aravot
bush and
> cut fresh ones. (This is what we did this year).
>
> At the risk of sounding naive, don't your aravot and hadassim come
in sealed
> plastic bags (from wherever), and you pick them up along with your
lulav and
> etrog (for one all-inclusive price)?
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
Well, yes. In recent years the haddassim and even aravot come in
sealed plastic bags; the lulav, on the other hand, is bound by the
seller after the buyer has chosen it. There is an inclusive price but
the aravot have to be picked up on erev YomTov (I usually get the rest
earlier). At one time if you bought the set from the seller in the
shul you got provided with fresh aravot (not in bags) free during Chol
Hamoed; now they charge about £2.50 which I resent but, as I said, I
have my own supply which I also use on Hoshana Rabba
--
Henry Goodman
Harry Weiss
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> > > "cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > "Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:73G5f.1179$fm7...@fe06.lga...
> > > > >
> > > > > Shelley actually had a regular "factory-made" lulav
> > > > -------
> > > > What's a "factory-made" lulav?
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > ---Cindy S.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps this is to contrast with someone who had purchased the
> three
> > > species separately and simply held them together?
> >
> > Nah...maybe in Israel you purchase these things separately but not
> in Walla,
> > Walla. The set-up arrives in a package.
> >
> If it's all packaged how do you provide fresh aravot during Chol
> Hamoed. They don't last 7 days
The Aravot we got came in individual packages (as did the Haddasim) and they kept
pretty well. In most of the US it is relatively simple to find Aravot to pick. We
live in one of the few areas where we can find Haddasim, but one needs to know what
they are doing to find ones that are properly Meshulash. (One person here has an
Ethrog tree that he planted from a seed from an Ethrog, We have palm trees here, but
I do not know how to find the correct Lulavim)
> --
> Henry Goodman (who has the good fortune to have a willow tree in his
> back garden)
> henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
--
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Dan Kimmel
>
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> >
> > "cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > At the risk of sounding naive, don't your aravot and hadassim come in
> > sealed
> > > plastic bags (from wherever), and you pick them up along with your
lulav
> > and
> > > etrog (for one all-inclusive price)?
> >
> > They did this year, but it's the first time I'd ever seen it sold that
> way.
> > In previous years they came pre-packaged.
>
> By "prepackaged," do you mean that in previous years, they were already
> assembed with the lulav?
Exactly. I'd never seen them offered separately. In fact, they hired a
group of yeshiva bochers to work in a backroom assembling them. (Many of
the local shuls buy bulk orders for congregational use as well as arranging
to get them for individuals.)
Ken Bloom
On Areivim, someone observed that keeping the lulav w/ aravot in its
bag, and putting it near a negative ion generator works very well.
--Ken Bloom
--
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See http://www.gnupg.org/ for info about these digital signatures.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
>> >> come in sealed plastic bags (from wherever), and you pick them
>> >> up along with your lulav and etrog (for one all-inclusive price)?
>> >
>> > They did this year, but it's the first time I'd ever seen it sold
>> > that way. In previous years they came pre-packaged.
>>
>> By "prepackaged," do you mean that in previous years, they were
>> already assembed with the lulav?
>
> Exactly. I'd never seen them offered separately. In fact, they
> hired a group of yeshiva bochers to work in a backroom assembling
> them. (Many of the local shuls buy bulk orders for congregational
> use as well as arranging to get them for individuals.)
In most religious neighborhoods in Israel they are sold seperately.
One of my joys before Sukkot is binding the 4-species together. And
I was very proud of my son. This was the first year he didn't call to
ask me how many "rings" go on the lulav. (3) He _did_ call with an
interesting question. His oldest son who was just bar-mitzvahed is
left-handed. So he wanted to know how he is supposed to hold the
4-species.
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
> "Dan Kimmel" <daniel...@rcn.com> writes:
>> "cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> "Dan Kimmel" <daniel...@rcn.com> wrote in message
>>> > "cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> >>
>>> >> At the risk of sounding naive, don't your aravot and hadassim
>>> >> come in sealed plastic bags (from wherever), and you pick them
>>> >> up along with your lulav and etrog (for one all-inclusive price)?
>>> >
>>> > They did this year, but it's the first time I'd ever seen it sold
>>> > that way. In previous years they came pre-packaged.
>>>
>>> By "prepackaged," do you mean that in previous years, they were
>>> already assembed with the lulav?
>>
>> Exactly. I'd never seen them offered separately. In fact, they
>> hired a group of yeshiva bochers to work in a backroom assembling
>> them. (Many of the local shuls buy bulk orders for congregational
>> use as well as arranging to get them for individuals.)
>
> In most religious neighborhoods in Israel they are sold seperately.
> One of my joys before Sukkot is binding the 4-species together. And
> I was very proud of my son. This was the first year he didn't call to
> ask me how many "rings" go on the lulav. (3) He _did_ call with an
I guess he doesn't drink Ballantine beer :-) [I couldn't resist]
Josh