"Gypsy" actress on Crash is an Israeli beauty from Haifa
Abe Kohen
Was watching the credits roll by at the end of the show. Moran Atias.
Checked out imdb. Born April 9, 1981 Haifa, Israel.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1785054/
Enjoy,
Abe
DoD
1981 eh?
Very attractive indeed, but tooo young for me.
<sigh>
David
mirjam
Yes Haifa had quite Some Beauty Queens !!!!
must be all those stairs !!!
mirjam
Abe Kohen
The only one I've seen indicated on a map is the set in Ahuza going down to
Rehov Lincoln. Then there are the steps in the movie Exodus with Sal Mineo
as Dov Landau. (Odd trivia: Bo "10" Derek's husband was in that movie.)
Brings back memories of walks from Hadar to Kiryat Eliezer at 4am. Once I
walked with my wife from Ahuza to Merkaz Hacarmel to Hadar to Kiryat
Eliezer. Would have been shorter to go do Ahuza to Merkaz Hacarmel to Carmel
Zarfati and down Stella Maris to Kiryat Eliezer. But nevertheless Haifa is a
great city to walk.
The beauties are best seen on the magnificent beaches.
Best,
Abe
(God willing maybe in December, but definitely not beach weather.)
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On 12-Nov-2009, "Abe Kohen" <ako...@xenon.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Then there are the steps in the movie Exodus with Sal Mineo
> as Dov Landau. (Odd trivia: Bo "10" Derek's husband was in that movie.)
And Joshua in the 10 Commandments.
He was an Arab in Exodus.
Susan
lee
I was suprised that the Palestinian Heroine in 'You Dont Mess with the
Zohan', may G-d erase that film from my memory, Emmanuelle Chriqui was
actually Canadian & 'the daughter of Moroccan Jewish immigrants'. You
dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty.
Steve Goldfarb
>I was suprised that the Palestinian Heroine in 'You Dont Mess with the
>Zohan', may G-d erase that film from my memory, Emmanuelle Chriqui was
>actually Canadian & 'the daughter of Moroccan Jewish immigrants'. You
>dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty.
Wow, first of all I thought the movie was cute, I saw it on an airplane
and was rather surprised at how much I enjoyed it. Further, I don't know
where you've been looking but in general I find Israeli women to be
extremely attractive. Israelis in general seem to be a good-looking
people, to generalize, and I think some of it is precisely because of the
Sephardi influence.
I actually find Jewish women in general to be attractive, but if I can
really over-generalize I think there's a sort of frumpy look I don't like
that I actually associate with Eastern Europe, not with Jews per se.
The non-Jews have it too, and some of it carried over here to the US and
some didn't, it depends.
Bottom line is I think 90% of it is attitude. There are many women in
Italy especially who, if you look carefully, might be considered homely.
Big noses, large features, etc. And yet - Italian women are incredibly
attractive, as a rule. Why? Attitude, knowing how to dress, how to carry
themselves, etc.
In what I've seen of Israelis, I see a lot of the same thing - a lot of it
is probably just confidence. I've never been to Israel, so I'm basing this
observation on Israelis I've met here, plus movies, TV, etc., but I'm
always struck by how beautiful the women are there.
--s
--
lee
I dont really like slapstick humour & zohan was a bit too much of that
for me.
However i was joking about isreali women
the kibbutz I was a volunteer on had accomodation for some Goren
(sorry I never did find out how it was spelt) recruits,
apparently they split their army service with work on kibbutzes.
I dont know if they still do that, as this was in the 80's.
It seemed to be all girls & every single one of them was (without any
exageration here) absolutely stunning
as were most of the Israeli women I saw & the men too were incredibly
healthy looking in general
I've never seen a more healthy looking nation
I can only put it down to training & reserve time in the army
or a diet of tomatoes & cucumber
Possibly the noblesse cigarettes, which rip your lungs out & I miss
Cos most of the Jewish people in Britain look as pasty & generally
unhealthy looking as the general population.
Except those who look like they've only just left the ME, like Amy
Winehouse
sorry I'm rambling
mirjam
> I was suprised that the Palestinian Heroine in 'You Dont Mess with the
> Zohan', may G-d erase that film from my memory, Emmanuelle Chriqui was
> actually Canadian & 'the daughter of Moroccan Jewish immigrants'. You
> dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty.
Here is `another surprise` for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBk9LBHbVgs
mirjam
lee
Ack I cant get away with watching video's while I'm at work, I'll look
tonight.
lee
Those blonde sheitels are very convincing aren't they
I have heard of blonde Jewish women btw,
my mum was blonde very Polish & very Jewish looking
Some of the comments on youtube are very anti-semitic & anti-Israeli,
& very nasty
I bet they wouldn't say them to my face or my mums
mm
wrote:
>On Nov 13, 3:10 pm, lee <schotn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 13 Nov, 14:59, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
>>
>> > Hallo Lee >
>>
>> > > I was suprised that the Palestinian Heroine in 'You Dont Mess with the
>> > > Zohan', may G-d erase that film from my memory, Emmanuelle Chriqui was
>> > > actually Canadian & 'the daughter of Moroccan Jewish immigrants'. You
>> > > dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty.
>>
>> > Here is `another surprise` for youhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBk9LBHbVgs
>>
>> > mirjam
>>
>> Ack I cant get away with watching video's while I'm at work, I'll look
>> tonight.
>
>Those blonde sheitels are very convincing aren't they
>I have heard of blonde Jewish women btw,
My mother was blonde and my brother is blond and I've lost track of my
nephew who started out that way. I think his hair is light brown.
I have eyes they call blue. They don't really look blue to me, but I
don't know what else to call them.
When my mother was working during high school or afterwards, she had
at least one job where the boss didn't know she was a Jew (last name
Alpert) and would make antisemitic remarks in front of her. This was
about 1924 and she didn't say anything back.
>my mum was blonde very Polish & very Jewish looking
>Some of the comments on youtube are very anti-semitic & anti-Israeli,
>& very nasty
>I bet they wouldn't say them to my face or my mums
Probably not.
--
Meir
"The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
mm
<NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>Those blonde sheitels are very convincing aren't they
>>I have heard of blonde Jewish women btw,
>
>My mother was blonde and my brother is blond and I've lost track of my
>nephew who started out that way. I think his hair is light brown.
>
>I have eyes they call blue. They don't really look blue to me, but I
>don't know what else to call them.
Of course that's because I once noticed a girl with blue eyes and they
were very blue. Now I'm wondering if they were blue contact lenses. I
really should find out what most blue eyes look like.
I only recently noticed that my ear openings are very small, scrunched
from front to back. I keep meaning to look at what other people's ears
are like and I almost always forget.
Susan S
<scho...@gmail.com>:
I often associate Sephardic and Israeli women with beauty.
Susan Silberstein
DoD
> On Nov 13, 3:10 pm, lee <schotn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 13 Nov, 14:59, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
>
> > > Hallo Lee >
>
> > > > I was suprised that the Palestinian Heroine in 'You Dont Mess with the
> > > > Zohan', may G-d erase that film from my memory, Emmanuelle Chriqui was
> > > > actually Canadian & 'the daughter of Moroccan Jewish immigrants'. You
> > > > dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty.
>
> > > Here is `another surprise` for youhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBk9LBHbVgs
>
> > > mirjam
>
> > Ack I cant get away with watching video's while I'm at work, I'll look
> > tonight.
>
> Those blonde sheitels are very convincing aren't they
Google the "women of the IDF". There is a mixture of all kinds of
Jewish women. All very panic
inducing attractive.
David
lee
even though my mum hated it.
now I'm starting to doubt its yiddish lineage.
you did see my reference to Amy Winehouse,
didnt you?
mirjam
group , the regular people were facinated by all the young Sabras who
ran around speaking Hebrew, some of them blond, some brown and some
red and black hairs.
mirjam
Fiona Abrahami
"lee" <scho...@gmail.com> wrote
>I always assumed my sarcasm was my dads yiddish inheritance to me,
> even though my mum hated it.
> now I'm starting to doubt its yiddish lineage.
Sarcasm is more of a English trait than a Yiddish one.
Fiona
mm
<NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>
>When my mother was working during high school or afterwards, she had
>at least one job where the boss didn't know she was a Jew (last name
>Alpert) and would make antisemitic remarks in front of her. This was
>about 1924 and she didn't say anything back.
She didn't want to lose her job. I don't know how bad the comments
were.
sheldonlg
Where in Boston?
mirjam
In Brookline , at the End of Mass Ave. I am not sure of the name any
more . My son`s joy was to meet Leonard Nimoy`s father who was a
regular one there.
mirjam
sheldonlg
If I remember correctly, Mass Ave runs from Cambridge to Boston and
crosses the Charles via the Mass Ave, Bridge and passes by Symphony
Hall. I don't believe it ever touches Brookline (which is just West of
Boston). Perhaps you meant either Harvard Ave. (where the is the famous
Jewish Book Store) or Beacon St. or Commonwealth Ave.
Abe Kohen
"sheldonlg" <shel...@giganews.com> wrote in message
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Well it could not have been Harvard AVE in Brookline as it is a residential
street located between Park St and Harvard St. You probably meant Harvard
STREET (which also connects to ANOTHER Harvard Ave - outside of Brookline).
Best,
Abe
sheldonlg
Yes, the one with the book store, the big synagogue,a Jewish funeral
parlor, and close to Kennedy's house.
lee
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:33:42 +0000 (UTC), mm
>
>
> >When my mother was working during high school or afterwards, she had
> >at least one job where the boss didn't know she was a Jew (last name
> >Alpert) and would make antisemitic remarks in front of her. This was
> >about 1924 and she didn't say anything back.
>
> She didn't want to lose her job. I don't know how bad the comments
> were.
> --
>
> Meir
>
> "The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
I dont really know about this but I have heard there was quite a lot
of anti semitism before ww2 in America similiar to in the UK. I also
heard that one of the Kennedies, although I think it might be the
older generation was concerned about what was refered to as the jewish
question. I suppose as a brit this is your history rather than mine &
it was nearly 70 years ago now. Before WW2 taught us what prejudice
leads to. At least for a short while. My mum & dads generation in the
UK were fiercly proud of their jewish heritage, I think their parents
still lived in the shadow of the pogroms & ghetto. Like my generation
live in the shadow of assimilation I suppose.
mirjam
> Abe Kohen wrote:
> > "sheldonlg" <sheldo...@giganews.com> wrote in message
> >news:xZCdnViuPKQ8OZ3W...@giganews.com...
> >> mirjam wrote:
> >>> On Nov 15, 5:41 pm, sheldonlg <sheldo...@giganews.com> wrote:
> >>>> mirjam wrote:
> >>>>> Our son had his Bar-Mitzwa in Boston, we brough our whole Israeli
> >>>>> group , the regular people were facinated by all the young Sabras who
> >>>>> ran around speaking Hebrew, some of them blond, some brown and some
> >>>>> red and black hairs.
> >>>>> mirjam
> >>>> Where in Boston?
> >>> In Brookline , at the End of Mass Ave. I am not sure of the name any
> >>> more . My son`s joy was to meet Leonard Nimoy`s father who was a
> >>> regular one there.
> >>> mirjam
which was at the time jus after the underground emerged from the
ground, the Crossiing of Mass Ave, and the other big one , The
Synagogue was at the other side of that Huge avenue , [maybe it is
already called another neighbourhood, you never know in Boston] ,
quite near the Ice rink .
We looked for a synagogue that will be Open in Summer , at the time
some of them closed in that time of year.
mirjam
Matt Silberstein
soc.culture.jewish.moderated , lee <scho...@gmail.com> in
<8fc1aab4-a7f7-4b09...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
wrote:
SDNWOTI.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
lee
> <8fc1aab4-a7f7-4b09-afae-d7c1c96f8...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I always assumed my sarcasm was my dads yiddish inheritance to me,
> >even though my mum hated it.
> >now I'm starting to doubt its yiddish lineage.
> >you did see my reference to Amy Winehouse,
> >didnt you?
>
> SDNWOTI.
> --
> Matt Silberstein
>
> Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
>
>
> "Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1128272.html
You know actually I'll stick with the British sarcasm!
Abe Kohen
Best,
Abe
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mm
wrote:
>On 15 Nov, 13:33, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:33:42 +0000 (UTC), mm
>>
>> <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>> >When my mother was working during high school or afterwards, she had
>> >at least one job where the boss didn't know she was a Jew (last name
>> >Alpert) and would make antisemitic remarks in front of her. This was
>> >about 1924 and she didn't say anything back.
>>
>> She didn't want to lose her job. I don't know how bad the comments
>> were.
>> --
>>
>> Meir
>>
>> "The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
>
>I dont really know about this but I have heard there was quite a lot
>of anti semitism before ww2 in America similiar to in the UK. I also
Definitely. That might be another reason she didnt' say anything.
They would have fired her and if she got another job, the new boss
might have been just as bad. And if she told them she was a Jew
before they hired her, she figured a guy like that wouldn't hire her.
I don't know what the percentages were.
In the 70's, Louis Harris was a natioally famous pollster, and his
organization did two polls and he wrote an article about them for the
NYTime Sunday Magazine. Darn, now I've forgotten those numbers too,
but it was something like 20 or 30% who expressed some level of
antismitic feelign. They don't ask people, Are you an antisemite. Or
even, Would you live next door to a Jew. The questions are more
indirect.
In the second poll, they asked Jews only, "Do you think there is
substantial antisemitism in the US?" and 56 percent said yes. And
then Harris wrote in his analysis of the data that Jews had a much
exaggerated view of how much antisemitism there was, because only 20
percent of the respondents were antisemitic but 56 percent thought
there was substantial antisemitism. It sounded like he was saying
only 20 percent should have thought so, in order to match the 20%
figure from the first poll.
The following week there were 5 or so letters to the editor of the
Sunday Magazine, which is a lot on one topic, all of them well written
and saying the conclusions in the article was wrong, because 20
percent IS substantial, and even if 100% had answered yes to the
second poll, that would have been reasonable.
This was followed a week or two later by another letter to the editor,
signed by Lou Harris, insisting that the first article's conclusions
were correct, but not really explaining why they were.
Harris was on a par with, or close to, Roper and Gallup, and I
wondered how many reports also written by Harris also made no sense
but it wasn't as obvious. Also I realized that Roper and Gallup or
other polling organizations such as NORC, could possibly be just as
bad.
He's in wiki, was born in 1921 and is apparently still alive at 78,
but hasn't done much work since he was 57. And that is for the
Chicago Tribune as a columnist. At least in the wiki article but I
didn't find much more about him or his firm elsewhere.
I found the original article, but don't feel like paying 4 dollars or
subscribing to the paper right now to read it. I remember it well
enough.
Oil or Israel?; The answer of the American public, as measured by a
leading opinion researcher, is different from that imagined by some
leaders and most Jews.
There is a deep and disturbing counterpoint to Henry ... However, when
Jews were asked to estimate anti-Semitism, a much higher 56 per cent..
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40D10FF3A5C107B93C4A9178FD85F418785F9&scp=3&sq=lou%20harris%20anti%20semitism&st=cse
By Louis Harris
April 6, 1975, Sunday
Section: The New York Times Magazine, Page 236, 3619 words
Here's one of the letters of complaint, but it also has to be paid for
Letters; Letters Letters
April 27, 1975, Sunday
Section: The New York Times Magazine, Page 254, 3695 word
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10711F83B5B14768FDDAE0A94DC405B858BF1D3&scp=1&sq=lou%20harris%20anti%20semitism&st=cse
GEORGE I. SIEL Brooklyn, N.Y. The ~;ire next tune Perhaps Louis Harris
is correct in assuming a Jewish paranoia in regard to antiSemitism and
Arab oil. ... [This part come from the NYT search results]
>heard that one of the Kennedies, although I think it might be the
>older generation was concerned about what was refered to as the jewish
>question. I suppose as a brit this is your history rather than mine &
>it was nearly 70 years ago now.
You're entitled to keep track of our antisemitism, just as we keep
track of yours, and that of every other place in the world, to the
best of our abilty.
>Before WW2 taught us what prejudice
>leads to. At least for a short while.
Yes, at least for a while. I've several times made the point that as
that generation dies off, is imo to some extent ending.
>My mum & dads generation in the
>UK were fiercly proud of their jewish heritage, I think their parents
>still lived in the shadow of the pogroms & ghetto. Like my generation
>live in the shadow of assimilation I suppose.
--
sheldonlg
> Most likely Commonwealth Ave; otherwise Beacon St.
The subway emerges on Huntington Ave right across from Northeastern
Univ. right after crossing Mass Ave. There is a small ice rink that
Northeastern practices at just one block over. (St. Botolph St. ????).
BU is on Commonwealth Ave. There are also trains that come out on
Commonwealth Ave. and on Beacon St. Those two go into Brookline (as
trolleys). (If I have some minor errors here, chalk it up to being away
for 6 years, not riding the subways much, and still getting confused in
Boston even after 37 years. Just not my age :-) ).
Dvora
RECURRING SHOW -- I AM BECOMING INTERESTED IN SEEING IT --
-
IMO -- EVERY ISRAELI WOMAN I EVER SAW WAS BEAUTIFUL --
Be Safe and Well --- Dvora
Abe Kohen
Currently a TV show by same executive producer, Bob Yari, but with different
story lines.
Best,
Abe
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Don Levey
The E train emerges near Northeastern.
The D train emerges just past BU, near Brookline Ave. Right near there
(on Longwood Ave) is Temple Israel, a *huge* Reform synagogue.
The B & C trains, if I recall correctly, emerge in the middle of BU on
Comm Ave.
The only large synagogue I can think of that is near an emergence point
is D/Israel. On the other hand, going a bit farther down on the C line
along Beacon Street you'll find a number of synagogues, including the
somewhat noticeable Ohabai Shalom.
--
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sheldonlg
> sheldonlg wrote:
>> Abe Kohen wrote:
>>> Most likely Commonwealth Ave; otherwise Beacon St.
>> The subway emerges on Huntington Ave right across from Northeastern
>> Univ. right after crossing Mass Ave. There is a small ice rink that
>> Northeastern practices at just one block over. (St. Botolph St. ????).
>> BU is on Commonwealth Ave. There are also trains that come out on
>> Commonwealth Ave. and on Beacon St. Those two go into Brookline (as
>> trolleys). (If I have some minor errors here, chalk it up to being away
>> for 6 years, not riding the subways much, and still getting confused in
>> Boston even after 37 years. Just not my age :-) ).
>>
>
> The E train emerges near Northeastern.
> The D train emerges just past BU, near Brookline Ave. Right near there
> (on Longwood Ave) is Temple Israel, a *huge* Reform synagogue.
> The B & C trains, if I recall correctly, emerge in the middle of BU on
> Comm Ave.
>
> The only large synagogue I can think of that is near an emergence point
> is D/Israel. On the other hand, going a bit farther down on the C line
> along Beacon Street you'll find a number of synagogues, including the
> somewhat noticeable Ohabai Shalom.
Thanks. The big synagogue I was thinking of is near the Jewish book
store (which is run by black-hats but provides even "Gates of Prayer")
and, I believe, is on Harvard. The street runs perpendicular to
Commonwealth. It is also near house where Kennedy grew up.
Micha Berger
> IMO -- EVERY ISRAELI WOMAN I EVER SAW WAS BEAUTIFUL --
The mishnah in Nedarim 9:10 (some editions have it in 9:9, with 9:6 and
9:7 merged into one) includes this story:
It happened with one who vowed from beneffiting from his sister's
daughter. She was taken into R' Yishmael's house and made
beautiful. R' Yishmael said to him, "My son, did you vow not to
benefit from this one?" He said to him, "no", and R. Yishmael
permitted her [to him]. At that time R' Yishmael cried and said,
"The daughters of Israel are beautiful, but poverty disfigures
them."
In the talmud's version (Nedarim 66b) the mishnah continues:
And when R' Yishmael died, the daughters of Israel raised a lament,
and said, "Daughers of Israel, cry for R' Yishmael!" It says similar
of [King] Saul, "Daughters of Israel, cry over Saul!" (Samuel II
1:24)
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
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Don Levey
You're thinking of the Israel Book Store (corner of Fuller).
> The street runs perpendicular to
> Commonwealth. It is also near house where Kennedy grew up.
Harvard runs between Comm Ave and Beacon:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=harvard+street+brookline+MA&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=49.176833,97.734375&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Harvard+St,+Brookline,+Norfolk,+Massachusetts&ll=42.346905,-71.123986&spn=0.022583,0.047722&z=15
or http://tinyurl.com/ykbxpc7
I'm not seeing any particularly large synagogue right ON Beacon Street
(Ohabai Shalom is east on Beacon, just east of St Paul, on the corner of
Marshall street).
On Harvard, though, I thought there was a large Orthodox shul, but I
can't find it now. Just north of Beacon is Green Street, where the
Kabbalah center finds itself.
I don't know if any of this is helping Mirjam, though.
sheldonlg
No, on Harvard is what I meant. The book store is also on Harvard.
fla...@verizon.net
Before I was 12 (I forget the actual year),
Miss Israel won Miss Universe (Bob Barker
did a huge double-take when he found out
she had been a paratrooper). And her
hair was among the blondest I've ever seen.
I somehow doubt it was a sheitel....
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 17-Nov-2009, Yisroel Markov <ey.m...@MUNGiname.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:39:53 +0000 (UTC), lee <scho...@gmail.com>
> said:
>
> >
> >I was suprised that the Palestinian Heroine in 'You Dont Mess with the
> >Zohan', may G-d erase that film from my memory, Emmanuelle Chriqui was
> >actually Canadian & 'the daughter of Moroccan Jewish immigrants'. You
> >dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty.
>
> [spluttering in wordless rage]
Let's just correct his sentence to "HE doesn't often associate Sephardic or
Israeli women with beauty".
Susan
mm
I think you have to be single to enter the Miss Universe contest.
>
>Susan
mirjam
> > The street runs perpendicular to
> > Commonwealth. It is also near house where Kennedy grew up.
>
> orhttp://tinyurl.com/ykbxpc7
> I don't know if any of this is helping Mirjam, though.
> --
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Ok i dug up some BU brochure of the PIA i studied there on the same
street [avenue] but closer to the Boston side] , and yes you were
right i mixed the Avenue names it must be on Commonwealth Avenue ,,,,
sorry i confused it , it was AGES ago ...
mirjam
lee
> On 17-Nov-2009, Yisroel Markov <ey.mar...@MUNGiname.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:39:53 +0000 (UTC), lee <schotn...@gmail.com>
> > said:
>
> > >I was suprised that the Palestinian Heroine in 'You Dont Mess with the
> > >Zohan', may G-d erase that film from my memory, Emmanuelle Chriqui was
> > >actually Canadian & 'the daughter of Moroccan Jewish immigrants'. You
> > >dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty.
>
> > [spluttering in wordless rage]
>
> Let's just correct his sentence to "HE doesn't often associate Sephardic or
> Israeli women with beauty".
>
> Susan
Do you really not get sarcasm? Honest question.
Don Levey
Because there is no tone of voice or non-verbal expression to go along
with it, there can sometimes be difficulty in identifying that a
statement in print was intended as sarcasm. In this case, I needed to
read the post several times before I was sure.
No-one else can see what's inside our eyelids (figuratively). Just
because it's clear to me what I wrote doesn't mean anyone else can see
it as clearly.
--
Don Levey, Framingam MA If knowledge is power,
(email address in header works) and power corrupts, then...
NOTE: Don't send mail to to sal...@the-leveys.us
lee
> GnuPG public key: http://www.the-leveys.us:6080/keys/don-dsakey.asc
I'm flabbergasted you could think otherwise about my original
statement & about the wigs too
Don Levey
It was the fact that I didn't believe such a statement coming from you
that made me read it several times.
--
Don Levey, Framingam MA If knowledge is power,
(email address in header works) and power corrupts, then...
NOTE: Don't send mail to to sal...@the-leveys.us
mm
wrote:
>On 18 Nov, 04:17, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
I didn't get it. YOu say so many bad things about Torah that I would
never say. Even if I thought them and I don't, I wouldn't say them in
the manner that you do. For all I know you think Israeli women arent'
pretty.
BTW, assuming you mean your last sentence was sarcasm because you
think Sephardic and Israeli women do have beauty, I'm not sure what
you said would be sarcasm. Sarcasm iiuc is negativity in
positive-sounding words. Your post above would be positivity in
negative-souding words. I don't know what one calls that, but it
doesn't seem like sarcasm to me.
sheldonlg
>
> You're probably thinking of Kehillat Israel, which is a large C shul
> in that location.
THAT's it!!!
Abe Kohen
"sheldonlg" <shel...@giganews.com> wrote in message
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Which for some reason, last time I passed by, was sharing space with a
(Black) church. Very impressive building from outside on Harvard St.
Probably does not have the membership it once had.
Best,
Abe
fla...@verizon.net
On 17-Nov-2009, mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >Before I was 12 (I forget the actual year),
> >Miss Israel won Miss Universe (Bob Barker
> >did a huge double-take when he found out
> >she had been a paratrooper). And her
> >hair was among the blondest I've ever seen.
> >I somehow doubt it was a sheitel....
>
> I think you have to be single to enter the Miss Universe contest.
Exactly. She was *blonde*, not wearing a wig, as
Lee insisted Israeli women would have to be doing.
Susan, confused.
fla...@verizon.net
And the fact that 2 of us couldn't see it at all,
& you needed to read it *again* says a lot.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 18-Nov-2009, mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >> > [spluttering in wordless rage]
> >>
> >> Let's just correct his sentence to "HE doesn't often associate
> >> Sephardic or
> >> Israeli women with beauty".
> >>
> >> Susan
> >
> >Do you really not get sarcasm? Honest question.
>
> I didn't get it. YOu say so many bad things about Torah that I would
> never say. Even if I thought them and I don't, I wouldn't say them in
> the manner that you do. For all I know you think Israeli women arent'
> pretty.
>
> BTW, assuming you mean your last sentence was sarcasm because you
> think Sephardic and Israeli women do have beauty, I'm not sure what
> you said would be sarcasm. Sarcasm iiuc is negativity in
> positive-sounding words. Your post above would be positivity in
> negative-souding words. I don't know what one calls that, but it
> doesn't seem like sarcasm to me.
So this makes three people who missed it, and
one who had to re-read it in order to see it.
Susan
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
>> > lee <schotn...@gmail.com> said:
>>
>> > >I was suprised that the Palestinian Heroine in 'You Dont Mess with the
>> > >Zohan', may G-d erase that film from my memory, Emmanuelle Chriqui was
>> > >actually Canadian & 'the daughter of Moroccan Jewish immigrants'. You
>> > >dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty.
>>
>> > [spluttering in wordless rage]
>>
>> Let's just correct his sentence to "HE doesn't often associate Sephardic or
>> Israeli women with beauty".
>>
>> Susan
>
> Do you really not get sarcasm? Honest question.
It's not a matter of "getting" it. The medium is the proplem. SDNWOTN
Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net. You can look it up.
--
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
May Eliezer Mordichai b. Chaya Sheina Rochel have a refuah shlaimah
btoch sha'ar cholei Yisroel.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University
lee
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:56:59 +0000 (UTC), lee <schotn...@gmail.com>
Sorry do I say many bad things about the Torah? Is questioning it
saying bad things, excuse me?. As far as I'm aware sarcasm works both
ways
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
>
>>>>> I was suprised that the Palestinian Heroine in 'You Dont Mess with the
>>>>> Zohan', may G-d erase that film from my memory, Emmanuelle Chriqui was
>>>>> actually Canadian & 'the daughter of Moroccan Jewish immigrants'. You
>>>>> dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty.
>
>>>> [spluttering in wordless rage]
>
>>> Let's just correct his sentence to "HE doesn't often associate Sephardic or
>>> Israeli women with beauty".
>>
>
> Because there is no tone of voice or non-verbal expression to go along
> with it, there can sometimes be difficulty in identifying that a
> statement in print was intended as sarcasm. In this case, I needed to
> read the post several times before I was sure.
>
> No-one else can see what's inside our eyelids (figuratively). Just
> because it's clear to me what I wrote doesn't mean anyone else can see
> it as clearly.
Which explains _why_ SDNWOTN.
lee
Which begs the question why didnt anybody demur until now?. Given that
the statement was patently absurd, & insulting to boot, if taken at
face value. I took the uncharacteristric silence to mean you
understood but disinclined to respond. As sarcasm or irony doesnt
usually generate a rejoiner.
All I can say is I'll bear this in mind in the future.
sheldonlg
> lee <scho...@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 18 Nov, 04:17, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>>> Yisroel Markov <ey.mar...@MUNGiname.com> wrote:
>>>> lee <schotn...@gmail.com> said:
>>>>> I was suprised that the Palestinian Heroine in 'You Dont Mess with the
>>>>> Zohan', may G-d erase that film from my memory, Emmanuelle Chriqui was
>>>>> actually Canadian & 'the daughter of Moroccan Jewish immigrants'. You
>>>>> dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty.
>>>> [spluttering in wordless rage]
>>> Let's just correct his sentence to "HE doesn't often associate Sephardic or
>>> Israeli women with beauty".
>>>
>>> Susan
>> Do you really not get sarcasm? Honest question.
>
> It's not a matter of "getting" it. The medium is the proplem. SDNWOTN
Stop showing off :-)
mirjam
>
> - Show quoted text -
I found it tasteless and insulting ,,
mirjam
lee
How can I apologise enough for your hurt & discomfort Mirjam, Susan,
etc?
lee
> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
Just a little bit too pithy there
Don Levey
>
>
> Which begs the question why didnt anybody demur until now?. Given that
> the statement was patently absurd, & insulting to boot, if taken at
> face value. I took the uncharacteristric silence to mean you
> understood but disinclined to respond. As sarcasm or irony doesnt
> usually generate a rejoiner.
> All I can say is I'll bear this in mind in the future.
Sometimes I will fail to respond because I don't think I have anything
to add to the conversation beyond whatever I may have said previously.
In this instance, I thought that drawing attention to the comment
wouldn't help any; if you misspoke, there was no need to embarrass you,
and if you spoke honestly there was no need to perpetuate it. I realise
now that by failing to do so I was helping to perpetuate the
misunderstanding.
fla...@verizon.net
On 19-Nov-2009, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
> > So this makes three people who missed it, and
> > one who had to re-read it in order to see it.
> >
> > Susan- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I found it tasteless and insulting ,,
Five, then.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 19-Nov-2009, Don Levey <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote:
> lee wrote:
> >
> >
> > Which begs the question why didnt anybody demur until now?.
As soon as Yisroel saw it, he said something.
As soon as I saw it I said something.
> Given that
> > the statement was patently absurd, & insulting to boot, if taken at
> > face value. I took the uncharacteristric silence to mean you
> > understood but disinclined to respond. As sarcasm or irony doesnt
> > usually generate a rejoiner.
> > All I can say is I'll bear this in mind in the future.
>
> Sometimes I will fail to respond because I don't think I have anything
> to add to the conversation beyond whatever I may have said previously.
And some people are less confrontational than others.
> In this instance, I thought that drawing attention to the comment
> wouldn't help any; if you misspoke, there was no need to embarrass you,
> and if you spoke honestly there was no need to perpetuate it. I realise
> now that by failing to do so I was helping to perpetuate the
> misunderstanding.
There is that - it's not always easy to gauge.
Susan
lee
"How can I apologise enough for your hurt & discomfort Mirjam, Susan,
etc?"
You were included in the above Susan & thank you for being "less
confrontational than others"
lee
mirjam
> How can I apologise enough for your hurt & discomfort Mirjam, Susan,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Don`t apologize, but PLEASE think a minute before posting such
words ...
mirjam
sheldonlg
Moshe coined the acronym and now it has found its way into the
dictionary of acronyms. Hence, my jest.
mm
wrote:
>On Nov 18, 11:25 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>Sorry do I say many bad things about the Torah? Is questioning it
>saying bad things, excuse me?.
It's not the questioning that I notice but the phrasing. I have had
some of the same questions you've posed here, but I think I never
phrased them as you do. Some would say, I guess, the only good way
to phrase them, at least the ones that doubt things about G-d, is to
say, Explain to me how this works... or, What answer would you give
to the complaint that ....
You were the one in another thread recommending a conciliatory tone.
when O talk about non-O, but your statements about O are far less
conciliatory than the forms I suggest above, and other possible forms.
And I don't think the reasons I gave in the other thread why a
conciliatory tone might not be good in the 0-non-0 case apply to this
situation.
>As far as I'm aware sarcasm works both
>ways
Of course it wouldn't be that important what sarcasm is if we weren't
trying to find all the effects of SDNWOTN.
lee
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:32:22 +0000 (UTC), lee <schotn...@gmail.com>
Meir as far as I'm aware the only time you have compained directly to
me was about my lower case use of G-d & have since tried to always
use
the format you prefer. even though I dont think its important
especially in English, & I've noticed other people use gd or g-d or
god. & even though I dont share your concerns, I personally have
tried
to use the format you prefer to avoid upsetting you.
If you have any other complaints tell me them.
Objecting to my general tone is objecting to the way I speak in
general.
I try to avoid deliberately upsetting people and aggravating an
argument just for the sake of it.
However that doesnt mean I will aquiesse to you or anybody else if I
disagree with you.
& if my language is a little colourful for you I'm sorry but I
personally find your tone insulting sometimes & in this case
condescending too. Yet I try to be civil & deal with it.
As i said if you have cause for complaint about specifics tell me
either by email or in public & I will consider if your complaint is
reasonable & if I can be more concillittory in my phrasing (why is
there no spell check in notepad?) & if I agree or not with you & act
accordingly
I like to think that I try to play nice even if you may not always/
sometimes think so
Lee
lee
Thank you Moderator I genuinely get the two posters mixed up i think
its the mm in the email address
Abe Kohen
"Don Levey" <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote in message
news:he3mrf$l86$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
> lee wrote:
>>
>>
>> Which begs the question why didnt anybody demur until now?. Given that
>> the statement was patently absurd, & insulting to boot, if taken at
>> face value. I took the uncharacteristric silence to mean you
>> understood but disinclined to respond. As sarcasm or irony doesnt
>> usually generate a rejoiner.
>> All I can say is I'll bear this in mind in the future.
>
> Sometimes I will fail to respond because I don't think I have anything
> to add to the conversation beyond whatever I may have said previously.
> In this instance, I thought that drawing attention to the comment
> wouldn't help any; if you misspoke, there was no need to embarrass you,
> and if you spoke honestly there was no need to perpetuate it. I realise
> now that by failing to do so I was helping to perpetuate the
> misunderstanding.
It's too bad that his gratuitiously insulting post was not among his usually
incomprehensible ones.
Best,
Abe
lee
> "Don Levey" <Don_S...@the-leveys.us> wrote in message
I'll try to make them clearer in future just for you
Lee
lee
That people jumping in here with vague (unsubstantiated) (& unrelated,
as far as I'm aware I've only had political/zionist disagreements with
one poster & dont remember being 'gratuitiously insulting')
accusations.
Is only serving to confirm the varied (note the lack of brush & tar)
impression and levels of respect I have for people here.
If you have a complaint air it, like Meir did about 'G-d'
& Mirjam did about my unfortunate throw away remark.
Usually people here are much less reticent.
otherewise your behaviour is more reminicent of schoolyard bullies or
a mob.
Not a flattering impression I'm sure.
Lee
Abe Kohen
great as to make one's writings incomprehensible to the other. Incomplete
sentences, grammatical errors and wrong punctuation abound in your posts.
Neglecting to quote the other person's writings makes it usually impossible
to figure out who and what you are responding to. So I usually ignore your
posts.
Mirjam did not complain about your "unfortunate throw away remark," but
about your gratuitous insult.
Unlike the French minister's retort (about Englishmen) to English
boorishness, no one on scjm made a negative retort about Englishwomen.
Shavua Tov,
Abe
"lee" <scho...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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lee
> The differences in written English on both sides of the pond are not so
> great as to make one's writings incomprehensible to the other. Incomplete
> sentences, grammatical errors and wrong punctuation abound in your posts.
> Neglecting to quote the other person's writings makes it usually impossible
> to figure out who and what you are responding to. So I usually ignore your
> posts.
>
> Mirjam did not complain about your "unfortunate throw away remark," but
> about your gratuitous insult.
>
> Unlike the French minister's retort (about Englishmen) to English
> boorishness, no one on scjm made a negative retort about Englishwomen.
>
> Shavua Tov,
So I usually ignore your posts.
> Abe
Please continue to do so, it'll help avoid the mitigate the mutual
unpleasantness
>
> "lee" <schotn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Why? It's my modest contribution to the acronym pool. With an assist
from Amitai.
mirjam
> Mirjam did not complain about your "unfortunate throw away remark," but
> about your gratuitous insult.
>
Thank you Abe ,
You understood my answer .
mirjam
mirjam
> If you have a complaint air it, like Meir did about 'G-d'
> & Mirjam did about my unfortunate throw away remark.
Lee , somehow your insult didn`t look /read as an `Unfortunate
remark` , it read like a deliberate insulting remark.
All generalizations are bad, insultung generalizations are Extremely
bad.
I know some people from certain countries who aren`t kind [ to say it
politely] , this doesn`t make me post all over a public media , that
all people from ********* are rude. I just rememeber that certain Mr
1, who happens to live in country A is rude.
mirjam
mm
>sheldonlg <shel...@giganews.com> writes:
>> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>>> lee <scho...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>> Do you really not get sarcasm? Honest question.
>>>
>>> It's not a matter of "getting" it. The medium is the proplem. SDNWOTN
>>> Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net. *******You can look it up.*********
>>
>> Stop showing off :-)
>
>Why? It's my modest contribution to the acronym pool. With an assist
>from Amitai.
When I was young, I had dreams that I could establish P&M as an
Internet acroynm. I wrote about it in my diary and dreamt about it
and the parades that would follow almost every night, but alas, I
think it will not be. A dream unfulfilled. Therefore I appreciate
all the more how great your modest contribution really is.
P&M
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>>sheldonlg <shel...@giganews.com> writes:
>>> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>>>> lee <scho...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>> Do you really not get sarcasm? Honest question.
>>>>
>>>> It's not a matter of "getting" it. The medium is the proplem. SDNWOTN
>>>> Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net. *******You can look it up.*********
>>>
>>> Stop showing off :-)
>>
>>Why? It's my modest contribution to the acronym pool. With an assist
>>from Amitai.
>
> When I was young, I had dreams that I could establish P&M as an
> Internet acroynm. I wrote about it in my diary and dreamt about it
> and the parades that would follow almost every night, but alas, I
> think it will not be. A dream unfulfilled. Therefore I appreciate
> all the more how great your modest contribution really is.
You're a friend.
> P&M
LOL!
fla...@verizon.net
On 22-Nov-2009, mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >Why? It's my modest contribution to the acronym pool. With an assist
> >from Amitai.
>
> When I was young, I had dreams that I could establish P&M as an
> Internet acroynm. I wrote about it in my diary and dreamt about it
> and the parades that would follow almost every night, but alas, I
> think it will not be. A dream unfulfilled. Therefore I appreciate
> all the more how great your modest contribution really is.
>
> P&M
I think I've seen this on at least one another group -
so either you *did* do something bigger than you
thought, or other people had the same idea.
Susan
lee
mirjam
Right
for the last time
when I said
"You dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty"
the comment was meant as sarcasm, ie exactly the opposite of what was
said
in other words
"Sephardic or Israeli women are often quite beautiful"
I thought I already explained what I meant by this & apologosised
if you took my comment the other way, which was not my intention
do you understand now?
if you do please let me apologise again, for the misunderstanding
generated
I'm not apologising for deliberately being "gratuitous insulting"
because I wasnt
I'm apologising because my intention wasnt as clear as I thought it
was & you amongst others took it the wrong way, so I'm sorry for any
inadvertent hurt my comment made as a joke (unfortunate throw away
remark), may have caused.
do you understand my intention now mirjam?
Abe Kohen
The more times you make up excuses the worse you look.
Can we also assume that you mean the opposite of what you say?
Abe
(who associates Sfardi and/or Israeli women with beauty)
"lee" <scho...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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lee
> The more times you deny it the worse you look.
> The more times you make up excuses the worse you look.
>
> Can we also assume that you mean the opposite of what you say?
>
> Abe
> (who associates Sfardi and/or Israeli women with beauty)
>
Hey Abe I'm not denying anything, my explanation wasn't meant for you,
because I think you understood, what I meant, if not the 1st time but
the second time. I think you are wilfully misunderstanding my meaning
& my apology to mirjam. Just to make it clear if you Abe still take
choose to offence thats too bad for you.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>>>sheldonlg <shel...@giganews.com> writes:
>>>> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>>>>> lee <scho...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>> Do you really not get sarcasm? Honest question.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a matter of "getting" it. The medium is the proplem. SDNWOTN
>>>>> Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net. *******You can look it up.*********
>>>>
>>>> Stop showing off :-)
>>>
>>>Why? It's my modest contribution to the acronym pool. With an assist
>>>from Amitai.
>>
>> When I was young, I had dreams that I could establish P&M as an
>> Internet acroynm. I wrote about it in my diary and dreamt about it
>> and the parades that would follow almost every night, but alas, I
>> think it will not be. A dream unfulfilled. Therefore I appreciate
>> all the more how great your modest contribution really is.
Why would you need a parade _every_ night? :-)
mirjam
Lee
I have Understood you and i did tell you before PLEASE DO NOT
APOLOGIZE , just take care what you write/ say the Next time .
mirjam
Abe Kohen
specimen of a gentleman <sarcasm off>, all others who were offended by his
grauitous insult are due an apology.
Best,
Abe
"mirjam" <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote in message
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Abe Kohen
women. Primarily because you said it, and then tried to weasel your way out
of it rather than offer a well deserved apology.
Abe
"lee" <scho...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
mirjam, it is customary on Usenet, and even more so on SCJM for
people to APOLOGIZE when they say something out of line. You
personally may not feel a need for such an apology, but others here
want to see it as a sign of a person's menshlichkeit. Of course, an
empty apology, with no intention to change isn't worth anything.
lee
Moshe
Mirjam & I have already discussed this via email.
I don't know what Abe wants,
& quite frankly don't care
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>> mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> writes:
>>> lee <schotn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> do you understand my intention now mirjam?
>>
>>> Lee
>>> I have Understood you and i did tell you before PLEASE DO NOT
>>> APOLOGIZE , just take care what you write/ say the Next time .
>>
>> mirjam, it is customary on Usenet, and even more so on SCJM for
>> people to APOLOGIZE when they say something out of line. You
>> personally may not feel a need for such an apology, but others here
>> want to see it as a sign of a person's menshlichkeit. Of course, an
>> empty apology, with no intention to change isn't worth anything.
>
> Moshe
> Mirjam & I have already discussed this via email.
> I don't know what Abe wants,
> & quite frankly don't care
My point was that it is not a matter just between you and mirjam.
Your rude post was on a public forum, so that public deserves an
apology. I think that's Abe's point as well.
Don Levey
Yes, people were insulted. Lee offered his explanation, and apology.
Those who aren't satisfied don't need to read his posts anymore. Those
who are can let it drop.
--
Don Levey, Framingam MA If knowledge is power,
(email address in header works) and power corrupts, then...
NOTE: Don't send mail to to sal...@the-leveys.us
GnuPG public key: http://www.the-leveys.us:6080/keys/don-dsakey.asc
sheldonlg
I didn't notice what Lee said, and I won't go research it. The question
i ask is "Was it even remotely on the same scale as being compared to
Stalin -- which generated exactly TWO responses from third parties".
Enough! Listen to Moshe!
Steve Goldfarb
>>
>How long do people intend to keep beating up Lee for this?
>Yes, people were insulted. Lee offered his explanation, and apology.
>Those who aren't satisfied don't need to read his posts anymore. Those
>who are can let it drop.
Yeah, and I think all of you people who won't drop it owe this NG an
apology!
--s
--
lee
(insert your name here) moshe
Right
for the last time
when I said
"You dont often associate Sephardic or Israeli women with beauty"
the comment was meant as sarcasm, ie exactly the opposite of what was
said
in other words
"Sephardic or Israeli women are often quite beautiful"
I thought I already explained what I meant by this & apologosised
if you took my comment the other way, which was not my intention
do you understand now?
if you do please let me apologise again, for the misunderstanding
generated
I'm not apologising for deliberately being "gratuitous insulting"
because I wasnt
I'm apologising because my intention wasnt as clear as I thought it
was & you amongst others took it the wrong way, so I'm sorry for any
inadvertent hurt my comment made as a joke (unfortunate throw away
remark), may have caused.
do you understand my intention now (insert your name here) moshe
(insert your name here)?
you may have noticed a similar post to this a few posts back to mirjam
because I thought she, not being a native english speaker, & given
that Israeli's generally say what they mean directly, geniunely still
thought I had meant to be insulting.
If you want more than this, thats too bad
sheldonlg
Is that what you said? Wow. That, to me, is no big deal. I saw it the
first time, didn't read it as sarcasm, but took it to simply be YOUR
opinion. Since "beauty" is a very personal and internalized concept (I
don't consider the women in Ruben's paintings to be beautiful), that
comment was a "so what?".
> I thought I already explained what I meant by this & apologosised
> if you took my comment the other way, which was not my intention
> do you understand now?
> if you do please let me apologise again, for the misunderstanding
> generated
> I'm not apologising for deliberately being "gratuitous insulting"
> because I wasnt
> I'm apologising because my intention wasnt as clear as I thought it
> was & you amongst others took it the wrong way, so I'm sorry for any
> inadvertent hurt my comment made as a joke (unfortunate throw away
> remark), may have caused.
Excellent.
> do you understand my intention now (insert your name here) moshe
> (insert your name here)?
> you may have noticed a similar post to this a few posts back to mirjam
> because I thought she, not being a native english speaker, & given
> that Israeli's generally say what they mean directly, geniunely still
> thought I had meant to be insulting.
> If you want more than this, thats too bad
....and, to think, only Moshe complained about Stalin comparison! SCJM,
where are your values?
mm
Well I think some of this is caused by people not reading every post.
There are a lot of posts and it's very hard to read them all.
I presume it's still true that people don't even receive every post.