Wal-Mart ends anti-Semitic book sale
ToooooMuchCoffeeMan
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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bowing to a barrage of complaints from Jewish
groups, retail leader Wal-Mart Inc. has stopped selling "The Protocols
of the Learned Elders of Zion," an infamous anti-Semitic tract long
exposed as fake.
Jewish leaders had complained that the book, which purports to tell of
an international Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, was being
sold on Walmart.com with a description that suggested it might be
genuine instead of a forgery concocted by the Czarist secret police in
the early 20th Century.
===here's the "good" part===
The description, now withdrawn from the Wal-Mart Web site, said, "If ...
The Protocols are genuine (which can never be proven conclusively), it
might cause some of us to keep a wary eye on world affairs. We neither
support nor deny its message. We simply make it available for those who
wish a copy." ...
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If you needed another reason never to shop at Wal-Mart...
Dan Kimmel
"ToooooMuchCoffeeMan" <tooooomu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hey, they carry MY book, too!
Seriously, that description is downright revolting. I do wish people would
stop referring to it as a "forgery" though. The implication is that there
are REAL "protocols" and these are merely the fake ones.
Shlomo Chaim
"ToooooMuchCoffeeMan" <tooooomu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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There was a similar issue with amazon.com a few years ago, who was
'showcasing' the book or something like that. The book is still available,
but amazon (who is lying) says that they never hyped the book.
http://tinyurl.com/4mhfz
Anyway, at the time, amazon did what they could to make amends. I doubt that
it was a corporate conspiracy. I stopped buying from amazon for a long time
after that, but in the end, rationally, I decided that it really wasn't
their fault, and they did apologize.
Out of curiosity, who here drives a ford car? Eats hershey's candy? Serious
question: do Jews still boycott these companies?
Nick
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Well, Dan, that is the normal term for such an item. Compare the Zinoviev
letters of the 1920's the tale of which I quote from the Guardian of 23 June
2000
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0%2C4273%2C4032738%2C00.html).
"The letter, almost certainly forged, was leaked to the Daily Mail on the
eve of the 1924 general election which led to the fall of the first Labour
government under Ramsay Macdonald.
"Purported to have been written by Grigori Zinoviev, president of the
Comintern, the internal communist organisation, it called on British
communists to mobilise "sympathetic forces" in the Labour party to support
an Anglo-Soviet treaty (including a loan to the Bolshevik government) and to
encourage "agitation-propaganda" in the armed forces."
If a book is a copy of the real thing, it might be a counterfeit in the
commercial sense - but it is hardly a forgery. No doubt a painting which is
a copy of the real thing would be considered as a forgery.
But I don't really see what you object to. After all if I photocopied your
book it might be considered to be commercial piracy, it would hardly be
considered to be forgery.
Nick
Eliyahu Rooff
"Shlomo Chaim" <shlomo_chiam@ya~hoo.com (take out the ~)> wrote in
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make up for the evil their corporate predecessors has done. AFA
Hershey's, I figure that if the OU rabbis are comfortable giving them
the right to use their hechsher, it's okay to eat it. OTOH, my boss
finds it inconvenient that I won't drive or ride in his Mercedes when we
go to an out-of-town deposition or hearing, and he has to take his
beat-up old Toyota. Mercedes took decades to admit their culpability in
using our people as slaves in their factories, and dragged their feet
even more when it came to reparations. I see no reason that a Jew should
buy or use their products. Same thing with BMW. AFA Volkswagen, why
would we want to drive a car that was designed and built at the behest
of you-know-who?
Eliyahu
Susan Cohen
"Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> AFA Volkswagen, why
> would we want to drive a car that was designed and built at the behest
> of you-know-who?
Because it would make the momzer spin in his grave, I think....
Susan
Tim Meushaw
Just think of all his henchmen too who would also spin in their graves.
Think we could dig up enough of them to provide a replacement for the
internal combustion engine in Volkswagens? Think of how much it'd help
the environment....
Tim
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Shlomo Chaim
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I'm thinkin' there in a heap 'o trouble already.
Ken Bloom
> "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> people would stop referring to it as a "forgery" though. The
>> implication is that there are REAL "protocols" and these are merely
>> the fake ones.
>>
>
> Well, Dan, that is the normal term for such an item. Compare the Zinoviev
> letters of the 1920's the tale of which I quote from the Guardian of 23 June
> 2000
> (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0%2C4273%2C4032738%2C00.html).
>
> "The letter, almost certainly forged, was leaked to the Daily Mail on the
> eve of the 1924 general election which led to the fall of the first Labour
> government under Ramsay Macdonald.
>
> "Purported to have been written by Grigori Zinoviev, president of the
> Comintern, the internal communist organisation, it called on British
> communists to mobilise "sympathetic forces" in the Labour party to support
> an Anglo-Soviet treaty (including a loan to the Bolshevik government) and to
> encourage "agitation-propaganda" in the armed forces."
>
> If a book is a copy of the real thing, it might be a counterfeit in the
> commercial sense - but it is hardly a forgery. No doubt a painting which is
> a copy of the real thing would be considered as a forgery.
>
> But I don't really see what you object to. After all if I photocopied your
> book it might be considered to be commercial piracy, it would hardly be
> considered to be forgery.
Nevertheless, we are most familiar with the word "forgery" in the
context of a forged signature - where there is a real one, and there's
one done by the wrong person.
--
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See http://www.gnupg.org/ for info about these digital signatures.
Henry Goodman
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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he doesn't have a grave
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henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
>
Y. Macales
> > Anyway, at the time, amazon did what they could to make amends. I
> doubt that
> > it was a corporate conspiracy. I stopped buying from amazon for a long
> time
> > after that, but in the end, rationally, I decided that it really
> wasn't
> > their fault, and they did apologize.
> >
> > Out of curiosity, who here drives a ford car? Eats hershey's candy?
> Serious
> > question: do Jews still boycott these companies?
> >
> In the case of Ford, the company has long ago apologized and tried to
> make up for the evil their corporate predecessors has done. AFA
> Hershey's, I figure that if the OU rabbis are comfortable giving them
> the right to use their hechsher, it's okay to eat it. OTOH, my boss
Here in Israel, Amazon is loved passionately, they make books, video, records
available in what was once a cultural desert strangled by monopoly book sellers.
What was the problem with Hershey? I like their stuff!
Shlomo Chaim
I'm thinkin' there in a heap 'o trouble already.
Andy Katz
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>>
>> AFA Volkswagen, why
>> would we want to drive a car that was designed and built at the behest
>> of you-know-who?
Lord Voldemort designed the Bug?
Andy Katz
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says...
Exactly. Zinoviev really did exist, and therefore it was possible to
forge a letter by him. The Elders of Zion do/did not exist, but
describing the Protocols as "a forgery" could be interpreted otherwise.
But what would be a better word? "Hoax" has inappropriate connotations
of "practical joke".
--
Colin Rosenthal Sabbagh's Second Law: The biggest problem with
communication is the illusion that it has occurred.
Eliyahu Rooff
"Colin Samuel Rosenthal" <colinand...@adslhome.eatme.dk> wrote
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"something made or written falsely to deceive." Many of the
paintings purported to be by old masters are described as forgeries,
even though there is no genuine counterpart to them.
Eliyahu
Dan Kimmel
"Colin Samuel Rosenthal" <colinand...@adslhome.eatme.dk> wrote in
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Not necessarily. But I think the word "fraud" pretty neatly covers it in a
way that neither "forgery" nor "hoax" does.
Susan Cohen
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>
> forge a letter by him. The Elders of Zion do/did not exist, but
> describing the Protocols as "a forgery" could be interpreted otherwise.
> But what would be a better word? "Hoax" has inappropriate connotations
> of "practical joke".
Well, I disagree, but not too strenously.
How about "scam"?
Susan
BlackMonk
> would we want to drive a car that was designed and built at the behest
> of you-know-who?
I think the company has changed hands a few times since then. I understand
why people might feel otherwise, buy my attitude is that these are
companies, they aren't people, and it doesn't make sense to treat them as if
they were. The only questions are what their business practices are like now
and who is the money now going to.
Larisa
> Out of curiosity, who here drives a ford car? Eats hershey's candy? Serious
> question: do Jews still boycott these companies?
I am definitely boycotting Ford; I did not know about Hershey's - what
did that company do? I'll definitely be boycotting Wal-Mart after
this story.
LM
Larisa
> AFA Volkswagen, why
> would we want to drive a car that was designed and built at the behest
> of you-know-who?
The interesting issue is that the only diesel car one can get in the
US is VW or Mercedes. Diesel cars (but not standard gasoline cars)
can run on biodiesel - a fuel made from vegetable oil. Ending our
support of oil companies is a good thing, and a Jewish issue (it would
help Israel). So - do you support German anti-Semites, or Arab
anti-Semites?
LM (conflicted, and wishing American companies made diesel cars)
Shlomo Chaim
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I have heard many times that the founder of Hershey was an anti-Semite, who
made frequent public statements re. his company policy, which was that his
company was to not allow one penny of his money to benefit a Jew.
Susan Cohen
>
> I have heard many times that the founder of Hershey was an anti-Semite,
> who made frequent public statements re. his company policy, which was that
> his company was to not allow one penny of his money to benefit a Jew.
Well, so far, all I've been able to find out is that he *was* Jewish.
Susan
Dan Kimmel
Try "fraud" -- with its connotation of criminality.
Dan Kimmel
I have actually never heard this, and given that he is long dead, why should
the company be penalized because its founder was an idiot?
Walt Disney was an antisemite (a product of the early 20th century Midwest,
not a Lindbergh-like Nazi supporter), but the head of the company today is
Michael Eisner. No one would seriously argue that one should boycott Disney
because of *its* founders views.
Dan Kimmel
I'd like to see a source for that. Here's what the Hershey archives say:
"Both the Hershey and Snavely families were originally Mennonite. Though
Milton's mother was a staunch member of the Reformed Mennonite Church and
wore plain clothes and a bonnet throughout her life, formal religion was
never a part of Milton Hershey's life. When he was asked once what his
religion was, he is said to have replied, "The Golden Rule." [2]"
http://www.hersheyarchives.com/Default.aspx?Page=MiltonHershey
While I see that there are some sites that erroneously refer to him as
Jewish, a search at www.jewhoo.com comes up empty.
Shlomo Chaim
Do you have a reference for that? I did some googling and didn't come up
with anything. I think, "Don't ever buy a Hershey's product" is one of the
things I heard 10,000,000 times when I was growing up.
Shlomo
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Henry Goodman
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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No. Scam has connotations of swindling for financial gain. In the case
of the Protocols the motives were straightforward anti-semitism.
Eliyahu Rooff
that would have taken any action against Jews. Unlike Mercedes, BMW,
Krupp, etc., he wouldn't have ever even conceived of using slave labor
in the mouse factory or, for that matter, denying us admission to his
films or parks. It was more of a discomfort with Jews than a hatred --
all too common in his childhood environment.
Eliyahu
Dan Kimmel
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> > "Shlomo Chaim" <shlomo_chiam@ya~hoo.com (take out the ~)> wrote in
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> >>
> >> I have heard many times that the founder of Hershey was an anti-Semite,
> >> who made frequent public statements re. his company policy, which was
> >> that his company was to not allow one penny of his money to benefit a
> >> Jew.
> >
> > Well, so far, all I've been able to find out is that he *was* Jewish.
>
> Do you have a reference for that? I did some googling and didn't come up
> with anything. I think, "Don't ever buy a Hershey's product" is one of the
> things I heard 10,000,000 times when I was growing up.
I'm amazed, because if there was such a thing I certainly would have heard
about it myself. My family was not shy about noting such things. And I
*never* heard this before.
Susan Cohen
>
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>> "Shlomo Chaim" <shlomo_chiam@ya~hoo.com (take out the ~)> wrote in
>> message
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>> >
>> > I have heard many times that the founder of Hershey was an anti-Semite,
>> > who made frequent public statements re. his company policy, which was
> that
>> > his company was to not allow one penny of his money to benefit a Jew.
>>
>> Well, so far, all I've been able to find out is that he *was* Jewish.
>
> I'd like to see a source for that
No, I know he wasn't, but all the "who's a Jew" lists (not by the bigots)
think he is.
I really mis-spoke there - wha I meant to say was that I found rather the
opposite of his being an anti-semite.
. Here's what the Hershey archives say:
This is also what the A&E webpage on him says.
Susan
Shlomo Chaim
Which big corporations of the world, then, are still anti-Semitic in nature?
I'm thinking that Wall Mart made a mistake. They realized their mistake and
they corrected it. Same situation with Amazon. I may have been wrong about
Hershey. Disney and Ford, apparently, have made amends. Apparently, the
makers of German cars are still under suspicion, at least by some. And, I
may have been wrong about Hershey. I was relaying what I had been told, and
raised to believe, but that doesn't mean that the information was correct.
Hmmm..... heschered candy bars..... a K meal in a package.
Lisa
Libel.
Btw, the Elders of Zion do/did exist. But they had nothing to do Jews.
Lisa
Harry Weiss
> LM
I ahve no problem with Ford, since they years ago opened an auto assembly plant in
Israel, knowing full well it would mean they would be boyocotted by the Arabs.
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Shlomo Chaim
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>"> >
I have heard many times that the founder of Hershey was an anti-Semite, who
Dan Kimmel
Until this thread I have never heard anything remotely like that. Can you
find a single reputable source to support such a claim? (And delightful
though she may have been or still be, "My bubbe told me" doesn't count.)
Shlomo Chaim
I haven't been able to dig anything up, and bubbe's no longer here for me to
question her source.
Larisa
Is it still operating?
LM
Z
<shlomo_chiam@ya~hoo.com> writes
expected to be soft cost me a tooth. For that reason I don't think I
will pay the extravagant cost of Hersheys and other strange foreign
sweets.
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Maurie Fox-Warren
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> >>
> >> I have heard many times that the founder of Hershey was an anti-Semite,
> >> who made frequent public statements re. his company policy, which was
> >> that his company was to not allow one penny of his money to benefit a
> >> Jew.
> >
> > Well, so far, all I've been able to find out is that he *was* Jewish.
>
> Do you have a reference for that? I did some googling and didn't come up
> with anything. I think, "Don't ever buy a Hershey's product" is one of the
> things I heard 10,000,000 times when I was growing up.
Perhaps your folks just preferred a higher cocobutter content :-)
Maurie