antisemitism and Xmas
Harry Weiss
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch
> http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm
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> Harry J. Weiss
Good link.
It fits with what I have learned, from christian scholars. Much of
Christmas is pagan. If there is any indication of when Jesus was born
it would, in many scholars opinion, be about the time of Rosh HaShanah
(about 11 Sept 3 BCE). Frankly the pagan/secular christmas has taken
over with little of the religious holiday left. For most Americans it
is more about family than anything. Just as New Years is about
getting drunk (it was about the day that Jesus was circumcised).
Now, do we need some form of holiday in the darkest month of the
year? I would say yes. All the lights are nice. So are the parties
and other festival activies. But then so is Carnival in late January.
So have a happy Chrismukkah....
Joe Bruno
wrote:
I always wonder why people celebrate News Years with such enthusiasm.
How do they know the new year will be any better than the old one was?
Henry Goodman
news:365a7d42-aafb-41b9...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
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For the same reason that widowers often marry again "triumph of hope over
experience"
Shabbat shalom
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Henry Goodman
henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch
> "Joe Bruno" <joebr...@usa.com> wrote in message
I thought that was mostly Elizabeth Taylor and Mickey Rooney....
mm
<omeg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 24, 1:20 am, Harry Weiss <hjwe...@panix.com> wrote:
>> http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm
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>> Harry J. Weiss
>> hjwe...@panix.com
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>Good link.
>
>It fits with what I have learned, from christian scholars. Much of
>Christmas is pagan. If there is any indication of when Jesus was born
>it would, in many scholars opinion, be about the time of Rosh HaShanah
>(about 11 Sept 3 BCE). Frankly the pagan/secular christmas has taken
>over with little of the religious holiday left. For most Americans it
>is more about family than anything. Just as New Years is about
>getting drunk (it was about the day that Jesus was circumcised).
About the day he *would have been* circumcized if he had been born
when they later decided to say that he was born, although he wasn't.
But even then, I don't disagree with your post, but just want to
de-emphasize one word, "about" in the last line. The Catholics have
dedicated almost every day of the year to some saint or other,
including those none of us have ever heard of, or to some notion.
New Years Day was well established under the Romans, as the first day
of January**, the start of two months of revelry (well at least
compared to the average month. I think because it's winter and even
in Italy there isn't much farming to do, but I could be wrong. That's
why February is the short month, to make the sum of all the months
equal a solar year, and why September is the named after 7 and not 9,
because January wasn't really the start of the year, but March first
was. Which might be related to the first of Nisan being the start of
the year as months are counted in the Torah.
Anyhow my point is merely that this meaning was tacked on later and I
think it is more like calling the second week in April National
Secretary's Week
**Named after Janus, the two-faced god with one face facing backwards
to last year and the other facing forwards to next year. Check out
the logo of the Janus Fund.
>Now, do we need some form of holiday in the darkest month of the
>year? I would say yes. All the lights are nice. So are the parties
>and other festival activies. But then so is Carnival in late January.
>
>So have a happy Chrismukkah....
--
Meir
"The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
mm
<henry....@virgin.net> wrote:
>"Joe Bruno" <joeb...@usa.com> wrote in message
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>I always wonder why people celebrate News Years with such enthusiasm.
>How do they know the new year will be any better than the old one was?
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>For the same reason that widowers often marry again "triumph of hope over
>experience"
>Shabbat shalom
Don't you mean divorcees? Many widowers had a good experience.
Joe Bruno
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:25:14 +0000 (UTC), "Henry Goodman"
>
> >"Joe Bruno" <joebr...@usa.com> wrote in message
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> >I always wonder why people celebrate News Years with such enthusiasm.
> >How do they know the new year will be any better than the old one was?
> >For the same reason that widowers often marry again "triumph of hope over
> >experience"
> >Shabbat shalom
>
> Don't you mean divorcees? Many widowers had a good experience.
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