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Diaoyu island....the beat pick up an octave.... Xi JinPing personally take pole position now !!!

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baldeagle

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Sep 24, 2012, 10:25:56 AM9/24/12
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Until now, Xi JinPing has stayed in the background in the dispute with
Japan over the Diaoyu Islands in East China Sea.
Yesterday, the war drum has picked up an octave when Xi JinPing
stepped in to take pole position. Immediately, he said : "Tokyo's
purchase of Diaoyu Islands is "a farce,"

He added: "Japan must prevent any acts that undermine China's
sovereignty and territorial integrity" which is the core interests of
China... meaning China will use everything in her power (including
using her nuclear arsenal when necessary) to protect her territory.

Unlike Zhou En-Lai and Teng XiaoPing who agreed with the Japanese
leaders to shelve the Diaoyu issue for future leaders (of China and
Japan ) who are wiser....to find solution to the knotty problem. The
current PM of Japan is NOT wiser...just the opposite. Xi cannot do
nothing ...in the face of the challenge by Japan.

Apparently, Japan PM now want to take advantage of Obama Pacific
Century policy...to jump on the band wagon to claim the island
illegally...assuming the USA will side with Japan if war broke out
between Japan and China. (Or is the Japan PM acting on the order of
his puppet master the USA)

Well, Xi JinPing is no coward...he knows the weaknesses of Japan.
Japan has just upset the Chinese Dragon.

rst9

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Sep 24, 2012, 3:56:46 PM9/24/12
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On Sep 24, 7:25 am, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Until now, Xi JinPing has stayed in the background in the dispute with
> Japan over the Diaoyu Islands in East China Sea.
> Yesterday, the war drum has picked up an octave when Xi JinPing
> stepped in to take pole position. Immediately, he  said : "Tokyo's
> purchase of Diaoyu Islands is  "a farce,"

I agree.

>
> He added: "Japan must prevent any acts that undermine China's
> sovereignty and territorial integrity" which is  the core interests of
> China... meaning China will use everything in her power (including
> using her nuclear arsenal when necessary)  to protect her territory.
>
> Unlike Zhou En-Lai and Teng XiaoPing who agreed with the Japanese
> leaders to shelve the Diaoyu issue for  future leaders (of China and
> Japan ) who are wiser....to find solution to the knotty problem. The
> current PM of Japan is NOT wiser...just the opposite.  Xi cannot do
> nothing ...in the face of the challenge by Japan.
>
> Apparently, Japan PM now want to take advantage of Obama Pacific
> Century policy...to jump on the band wagon to claim the island
> illegally...assuming the USA will side with Japan if war broke out
> between Japan and China. (Or is the Japan PM acting on the order of
> his puppet master the USA)
>
> Well, Xi JinPing is no coward...he knows the weaknesses of Japan.
> Japan has just upset the Chinese Dragon.

Currently, there are two areas where it could explode into WWIII, this
and Iran nuclear facilities.


baldeagle

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Sep 24, 2012, 4:57:51 PM9/24/12
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On Sep 25, 3:56 am, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 24, 7:25 am, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Until now, Xi JinPing has stayed in the background in the dispute with
> > Japan over the Diaoyu Islands in East China Sea.
> > Yesterday, the war drum has picked up an octave when Xi JinPing
> > stepped in to take pole position. Immediately, he  said : "Tokyo's
> > purchase of Diaoyu Islands is  "a farce,"
>
> I agree.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > He added: "Japan must prevent any acts that undermine China's
> > sovereignty and territorial integrity" which is  the core interests of
> > China... meaning China will use everything in her power (including
> > using her nuclear arsenal when necessary)  to protect her territory.
>
> > Unlike Zhou En-Lai and Teng XiaoPing who agreed with the Japanese
> > leaders to shelve the Diaoyu issue for  future leaders (of China and
> > Japan ) who are wiser....to find solution to the knotty problem. The
> > current PM of Japan is NOT wiser...just the opposite.  Xi cannot do
> > nothing ...in the face of the challenge by Japan.
>
.> > Apparently, Japan PM now want to take advantage of Obama
.> > Pacific Century policy...to jump on the band wagon to claim the
.> > island illegally...assuming the USA will side with Japan if war
.> > broke out between Japan and China. (Or is the Japan PM acting
.> > on the order of his puppet master the USA)
>
.> > Well, Xi JinPing is no coward...he knows the weaknesses of
.> >Japan. Japan has just upset the Chinese Dragon.
>

.> Currently, there are two areas where it could explode into WWIII,
.> this and Iran nuclear facilities.

True.

A war between Japan and China is difficult to avoid now...given
that China has deployed 12 war ships to guard the Diaoyu island...
to ensure China sovereignty over the islands.
Any act by the Japanese to take possession of the island (after
the illegal purchase) will be taken as an invasion...and WILL BE
met with fire power. This will lead to war.

Is the defense agreement between Japan and the USA cover...
not only the defence against an invasion of Japan ....but also
to help a Japanese invasion of Chinese territory ?
If so, then the US marines will escort the Japanese force to
invade Diaoyu Island....this will start the war between the USA
and China. ..this could led to WWIII.

US Assistant Secretary of State, Kurt Campbell, told CCTV..
the USA will not take sides on Diaoyu Island. This means
a Diaoyu island invasion is not within the defense agreement
between Japan and the USA. Japan will have to invade the
islands on her own...with no help from the USA.

Now..it is up to Japan to decide...
to go ahead...try to land on the Diaoyu island ...to claim
ownership of the islands it bought illegally...or
to take a step back...to follow the wise moves of previous PMs
of Japan...to negotiate with China .. ..to shelve the issue again
(by tearing off the purchase agreement publicly) ...

"To be or not to be"...it is up to Japan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKdkqoSPxfE


rst9

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Sep 24, 2012, 11:10:45 PM9/24/12
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I think Japan bites off more than they can chew.
It will be another humiliation for Japan again.

Satish

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Sep 25, 2012, 6:25:24 AM9/25/12
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Japan has been chewing on Senkaku Islands for more than a century.

In 2010, Japan Coast Guard detained the captain of the iPRC trawler
for two weeks under Japanese law.

And now the Japan government has bought the Senkaku Islands from
private hands under Japanese law. The CCP dictatorship in Beijing can
do nothing about the land transaction except to turn blue in the face
while throwing temper tantrums. CCP's faked outrage is more for
consumption by the citizens under CCP rule than for snatching the
Senkaku Islands from Japanese hands.

rst9

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Sep 25, 2012, 12:44:57 PM9/25/12
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Japan releases Chinese fishing captain
In a bid to defuse escalating tensions, Japanese officials free the
fisherman who strayed into disputed waters and whose boat rammed into
Japanese patrol boats. China is barely mollified.
September 24, 2010|By Megan K. Stack, Los Angeles Times
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/24/world/la-fg-china-japan-20100925

Reporting from Beijing — Japan released the Chinese fishing boat
captain Saturday whose detention after straying into disputed waters
had enraged Beijing and sparked the worst diplomatic crisis between
the long-contentious neighbors in years.

Zhan Qixiong flew out of Ishigaki airport in southern Japan after
mounting pressure and threats from Beijing had stirred fears of
serious economic repercussions for the island nation.

The announcement came as mounting pressure and threats from Beijing
stirred fears of serious economic repercussions for the island nation.

"Considering the future of Japan-China relations and the possible
consequences for the Japanese public, we decided that keeping the
suspect in custody and continuing the investigation was not
appropriate," Toru Suzuki, an with from the prosecutors' office in
Naha, Okinawa, told reporters in Japan.

The 15-man fishing crew was seized Sept. 8 after colliding with
Japanese coast guard vessels near disputed islands known as Diaoyu in
China and Senkaku in Japan. The rest of the crew was soon returned to
China.

But Japan has kept the captain in custody, accusing him of illegal
fishing and deliberately ramming his craft into the Japanese patrol
boats. This week, to the fury of Chinese officials, a Japanese court
had decided to extend his detention until Sept. 29.

News of the impending release was greeted in China with a mix of
satisfaction and lingering indignation.

"This was an action that gravely violated Chinese sovereignty and the
human rights of a Chinese citizen, and the Chinese government strongly
protests," said a Foreign Ministry statement after Qixiong flew home
in a chartered plane. "Japan must offer China an apology and
compensation over this incident."

In Japan, officials denied that politicians played a role in the
decision.

"The decision was the result of a somber process carried out under
Japanese law," said Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshito Sengoku, the
government's top spokesman.

At the heart of the dispute are competing claims on the islands, which
are controlled by Japan but claimed by both China and Taiwan.

In recent years, an increasingly nationalistic Chinese public has
griped that the government has shown weakness by failing to press its
claims to the islands.

Like all irritations between the two longtime rivals, anger over the
fisherman's detention was deepened by the lingering bitterness in
China at Japan's invasion and brutal oppression during World War II.

At the United Nations this week, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao had called
upon Japan to "immediately and unconditionally" release the captain,
and warned of further repercussions if Tokyo ignored the threat.
Beijing already had canceled ministerial level contact with Tokyo and
Chinese travel agencies had been told to stop offering trips to Japan.

This week, as anger swelled, China made plain its willingness to take
further steps to win the captain's release.

On Friday, Japan's trade minister accused China's trade ministry of
instructing exporters of rare minerals used in electronics to halt
shipments to Japan. China denied the reports.

Meanwhile, Chinese state security officials told the official New
China News Agency that four Japanese citizens were being investigated
on suspicion of illegally entering a military zone. The men had
traveled to China's Hebei province this week to research a bid on a
project to dispose of abandoned chemical weapons, explained their
employer, Tokyo-based Fujita Corp.

Japan's uncharacteristically hard-line stance in detaining the captain
seemed, in part, an effort to demonstrate that it was willing to stand
up to China.

Some observers have suggested that Foreign Minister Seiji Maehara,
appointed just days ago in a cabinet reshuffle, had pushed for
resistance to China's demands.

"The release of the captain will help both governments contain the
damage, but the damage has already been done," said Jin Canrong, dean
of international relations at Renmin University in Beijing. "The
government can see the possible danger in coming years. Japan is in a
political drift, and nobody is really taking charge. And we don't know
how to deal with Japan.

A security expert, Maehara has said that China's increased military
presence in the region is a "threat" and that Tokyo should "defend
Japan's sovereignty", referring to the disputed islands in the East
China Sea. This week Maehara appeared to soften slightly, suggesting
that Tokyo was open to high-level talks with Beijing.

megan...@latimes.com

Special correspondent Kenji Hall in Tokyo contributed to this report.

baldeagle

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Sep 25, 2012, 6:32:30 PM9/25/12
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On Sep 26, 12:44 am, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Japan releases Chinese fishing captain
>

.> A security expert, Maehara has said that Tokyo should
.> "defend Japan's sovereignty", referring to the disputed
.> islands in the East China Sea.

The author is wrong...Japan has NO sovereignty over the
Diaoyu islands (Senkaku)

Who has sovereignty over the Diaoya Islands ?

The islands was under the rule of Japan between 17 Apr 1895
to 02 Sept 1945.
On April 17, 1895, China was defeated in the Sino-Japanese
War. As settlement China ceded to Japan "the island of
Formosa (Taiwan), together with all islands (including Diaoyu
Island belonging to Formosa)".
On 02 Sept, 1945, Japan was defeated in WWII. In the
Japanese Instrument of Surrender, Japan accepted the
surrender terms ( in the Potsdam declaration)...that all the
territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese,..such as
Manchuria, Formosa including Diaoyu Islands, and
the Pescadores, shall be restored to China.

The Japanese rule over Taiwan (Formosa) and Diaoyu islands
ceased when Japan returned Formosa to China. China (Taiwan)
has sovereignty rights over the islands and the surrounding seas
since Sept 45.

Japan's sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu,
Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as determined
by the victors of WWII. The victors have determined that
Diaoyu island be returned to China.

-------
Problems created by the USA:
The Diaoyu Islands were uninhabited as they were used by
the US armed forces for live firing target practice. The USA
has quietly included the Diaoyu islands under US administration
from 1945..while Mao was busy fighting Chiang Kai Shek.

However, in 1972 the USA illegally handed the administration
of the Diaoyu Islands to Japan... under strong protests by China
who declared then that China DO NOT recognize Japanese
administration over the Diaoyu island.

When diplomatic ties normalized between China and Japan,
Zhou En Lai and the then Japanese PM agreed that the issue
should be shelved...and be held in abeyance indefinitely.
Teng XiaoPing also agreed with the Japanese PM ... to shelve
the Diaoyu issue for future leaders (of China and Japan ) who
are wiser....to find solution to the knotty problem.

In response to Japanese illegal attempt to buy the island,
China has since deployed her naval ships to guard the islands
and to protect the territory integrity of China.
------

Ref :

Japanese surrender instrument:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Instrument_of_Surrender

Potsdam Declaration:
http://www.ndl.go.jp/constitution/e/etc/c06.html

Cairo Declaration:
http://www.ndl.go.jp/constitution/e/shiryo/01/002_46/002_46tx.html



rst0

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Sep 25, 2012, 8:28:39 PM9/25/12
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On Sep 25, 3:32 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 26, 12:44 am, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Japan releases Chinese fishing captain
>
> .> A security expert, Maehara has said  that Tokyo should
> .> "defend Japan's sovereignty", referring to the disputed
> .> islands in the East China Sea.
>
> The author is wrong...Japan has NO sovereignty over the
> Diaoyu islands (Senkaku)
>
> Who has sovereignty over the Diaoya Islands ?
>
> The islands was under the rule of Japan between 17 Apr 1895
> to 02 Sept 1945.
> On April 17, 1895, China was defeated in the Sino-Japanese
> War. As settlement China ceded  to Japan  "the island of
> Formosa (Taiwan), together with all islands (including Diaoyu
> Island belonging to Formosa)".

Give them a taste of their own medicine. Fight a war with Japan nd
take away all their islands except the Main Japanese island.

baldeagle

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Sep 25, 2012, 10:24:16 PM9/25/12
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On Sep 26, 8:28 am, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 25, 3:32 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > On Sep 26, 12:44 am, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Japan releases Chinese fishing captain
>
> > .> A security expert, Maehara has said  that Tokyo should
> > .> "defend Japan's sovereignty", referring to the disputed
> > .> islands in the East China Sea.
>
> > The author is wrong...Japan has NO sovereignty over the
> > Diaoyu islands (Senkaku)
>
> > Who has sovereignty over the Diaoya Islands ?
>
> > The islands was under the rule of Japan between 17 Apr 1895
> > to 02 Sept 1945.
> > On April 17, 1895, China was defeated in the Sino-Japanese
> > War. As settlement China ceded  to Japan  "the island of
> > Formosa (Taiwan), together with all islands (including Diaoyu
> > Island belonging to Formosa)".
>
> Give them a taste of their own medicine.  Fight a war with Japan nd
> take away all their islands except the Main Japanese island.

Fight a war with Japan ?

May be it is the US way or European way. ..it is certainly not
the Chinese way.
China has been fighting wars for centuries ...and China has learned
that it is better to be friends with everyone...than to fight them.

In wars, you cannot win all the time...and the people suffer great
hardship in times of war. Friendship lead to trade, economic
growth ...will give the people peace and prosperity. Good examples
are Chinese has become friends with most African nations...and
their friendship brought trade ...and economic success to the
Africans and the Chinese.

On the other hand, Japan lost everything...had to give back lands
(including Diaoyu Islands) taken from the Chinese...because they
lost WWII.


However...China MUST have a strong and powerful PLA, able
to beat the shit out of invaders and protect its territories.

rst0

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Sep 25, 2012, 11:16:34 PM9/25/12
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On Sep 25, 7:24 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 26, 8:28 am, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 25, 3:32 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Give them a taste of their own medicine.  Fight a war with
> > Japan and take away all their islands except the Main
> > Japanese island.
>
> Fight a war with Japan ?

Yes. And when the Chinese troops enter Tokyo, be sure to kill and
rape at least 300,000.

>
> May be it is the US way or European way.

It was and is every nation's way.

> ..it is certainly not the Chinese way.

And the Chinese still have not learn from the past.
Chinese still want the Confucius way, while everybody else kill and
rape and destroy when they sense weakness in a country.

> China has been fighting wars for centuries

And war will continue as long as humanity has greed and desires for
more.

> ...and China has learned

No, China has not learned. And you have not learned from the past.

> that it is better to be friends with everyone...than to fight them.

Emperor Chinglong thought he had the upper hand with the British in
the late 1700s. Just look what the British did to China in the early
1800s.

>
> In wars, you cannot win all the time...and the people suffer great
> hardship in times of war.

War is hell as everyone knows. You don't need to fight all the time.
It's intimidation does the rest. Look at the U.S. today as an
example.

> Friendship lead to trade, economic growth

So do war and intimidation.

> ...will give the people peace and prosperity.

You have peace and prosperity when you are standing on top of the
world.

> Good examples
> are Chinese has become friends with most African nations...

And the Africans are killing the Chinese wherever they can.

> and
> their friendship brought trade ...and economic success to the
> Africans and the Chinese.

So do America's war and intimidation.

>
> On the other hand, Japan lost everything...had to give back lands
> (including Diaoyu Islands) taken from the Chinese...because they
> lost WWII.

As I have always said, the power of the gun speaks the loudest, and
always the winner.

>
> However...China MUST have a strong and powerful PLA, able
> to beat the shit out of invaders and protect its territories.

Again, we are talking about the power of the gun.

>

rst0

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Sep 26, 2012, 12:53:39 AM9/26/12
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On Sep 25, 8:16 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 25, 7:24 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 26, 8:28 am, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Fight a war with Japan ?
>
Yes.  And when the Chinese troops enter Tokyo, be sure to kill and
rape at least 300,000. And use Japanese civilians for bayonet
practice.

>
>
>
> > May be it is the US way or European way.
>
> It was and is every nation's way.
>
> > ..it is certainly not the Chinese way.
>
And the Chinese still have not learned from the past.
Chinese still want the Confucius way, while everybody else kill and
rape and destroy when they sense weakness in a country.

>
> > China has been fighting wars for centuries
>
And war will continue as long as humanity has greed and desires for
more.
>
> > ...and China has learned
>
No, China has not learned.  And you have not learned from the past.
>
> >  that it is better to be friends with everyone...than to fight them.
>
Emperor Chinglong thought he had the upper hand with the British in
the late 1700s.  Just look what the British did to China in the
early 1800s.
>
>
>
> > In wars, you cannot win all the time...and the people suffer great
> > hardship in times of war.
>
War is hell as everyone knows.  You don't need to fight all the time.
It's intimidation that do the rest.  Look at the U.S. today as an
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