Re: Lee Kwan Yew: India not in the same league as China
Penang
> RichAsianKid wrote:
> > Panthera Pardus wrote:
> >> On Dec 26, 3:24 am, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Tell me something, oh wise one obsessed with IQ and genetics, (and
> >>>> I've asked you this before as have others like P. Rajah and you have
> >>>> never answered) why was was China poorer than India on a per capita
> >>>> basis for centuries? Tell me wise Chinese sage, why modern China ,
> >>>> even with its high paced growth, is poorer on a per capita basis than
> >>>> Brazil, Mexico, the Bahamas or Barbados (note that 3 0f the 4
> >>>> countries here have very large black population, yet still outperfom
> >>>> China in terms of per capita income)? Is RAK going to explain that
> >>>> these 4 countries are superior genetically to the PRC. Judging by
> >>>> RAK's earlier words, that is the only possible conclusion.
> >>> Then the obvious question is why Brazil, Mexico, and India etc can't
> >>> parlay their initial advantages into real gains in the 21st century
> >>> while way more modest countries not just China, but also Taiwan, Korea
> >>> were able to do so.
>
> >>> Or why free democratic English-speaking India - in spite of everything
> >>> going for it - still lags behind in 21st century growth compared to
> >>> that evil evil oppressed & totalitarian China where its own system is so
> >>> stacked against its own people condemning their own to forever misery.
>
> >>> Then of course there's an environmental component, no doubt, duh!! Think
> >>> Zimbabwe and South Africa - once Africa's bread-basket, they're now
> >>> pathetic basket-cases. How come? Do their own people not shoulder any
> >>> blame?
>
> >>> Or this too: is it true North Korea is congenitally more stupid than the
> >>> South? Is it true that former East Germany is way more stupid than
> >>> the West?
>
> >>> You get the picture.
>
> >>> Why is it that blacks in America (no less) - still continue to fail in
> >>> spite of affirmative action while progeny of Jews spectacularly succeed
> >>> - in spite of the latter's claim of widespread rampant "anti-semitism"?
>
> >>> Please, are we *really* equal? :)
>
> >> We may not all be equal but the question is why was China poor for SO
> >> LONG. Why, even after THREE DECADES of growth, is China still poorer
> >> than Brazil or Mexico? And regarding this comment from you: " Then
> >> the obvious question is why Brazil, Mexico, and India etc can't parlay
> >> their initial advantages into real gains in the 21st century while way
> >> more modest countries not just China, but also Taiwan, Korea
> >> were able to do so." Um, RAK, you are aware that India IS GROWING in
> >> terms of GDP correct? Also, as many other posters have pointed out,
> >> India liberalized much later, in 1991 as opposed to 1978 for China.
> >> Personally the India I see today is vastly different from the India I
> >> grew up in during the 1980s. I expect it will look a lot different 20
> >> years from now as well.
>
> > Oh? Seriously??!! Even at a superficial level explain this one to us:
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/qgmt2o
>
> > How is it possible India is lagging further and further behind China
> > *after* India's 1991 liberalization? Again and just to be redundant
> > here, if India is so smart, how is it possible with all the right
> > prerequisites going for it India *still* continues to fall behind China
> > *after* that magical year of 1991 in spite of being hobbled? Do you not
> > think that India's lack of human capital and low IQ is a contributing
> > factor?
>
> On a "superficial level", consider this:
> When a major project is proposed in India, various permissions have to
> be obtained, along with a process of determination of compensation for
> people who lose property and jobs. There are sometimes also conflicts
> when the project is inter-state, and the various states have to be in
> agreement before the project proceeds. This takes time, and sometimes
> ends up in court.
>
> A similar project in China is simply ram-rodded through, with virtually
> no consideration for people, particularly since much of the land that is
> utilized for highways, dams, new urban centers, etc. is state-owned, and
> since the people have no rights to speak of.
>
> Of course, this "hobbles" the pace of India's progress, but at least
> those affected get due process.
I only commenting on the last sentence, especially the "those affected
get due process".
You are talking about India, right?
Who are the largest group of people being affected, day in day out, in
India?
The outcast.
What type of "due process" are they getting?
Nada, nothing, zilch.
They just live on the street, die on the street. And people just walk
by, as if these outcasts do not exist.
And again, we are talking about India, right?
> I wouldn't expect someone like you to
> understand that, since you personally are not in the position of losing
> your home, being re-located hundreds or thousands of miles away and
> being "assigned" a new menial job, with no compensation or consideration
> of your rights.
>
> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GE12Ad01.htmlhttp://www.ciel.org/Ifi/volreslet.html
>
> > As you admitted, we're "not equal". At least, and that I got to admit,
> > thank you for your honesty. And for that very reason there's no reason
> > to expect parity of outcome, either.
>
> You can only expect relative parity of outcomes if there is relative
> parity of factors that affect the process. Unfortunately, your
> dimly-comprehending mind is only able to focus on an alleged IQ
> differential, while ignoring a host of other factors that are more
> germane to the actual outcome in this comparison.
>
> I note that, once again, you have side-stepped the issue of China's low
> growth for decades and centuries prior to the 1970s, simply because you
> have no answer. You have failed to explain why, after decades of
> high-growth, China is _still_ on par with many low-growth third-world
> countries in terms of per-capita GDP, and will require decades more of
> double-digit growth before it achieves near parity with Japan and
> Western Europe. Surely this almost century-long slog to bring China up
> to par means that China has hitherto been a "low-IQ" country that
> wallowed in third world poverty for centuries, does it not? I mean, a
> country with the highest mean IQ on the planet should never have fallen
> into a centuries-long pit of extreme poverty, correct?
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1497255.htmhttp://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200605/16/eng20060516_266019.htmlhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/iodine-illness-afflicts-milli...http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10599620http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/opinion/07kristof.html
P. Rajah
I was actually referring to people affected by development programs like
highways, dams, power plants, etc., that require that their property be
acquired and that they be relocated and/or re-employed.
However, I would not be as sanguine as you appear to be on the issue of
"outcasts" in China, as if China is immune from it:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1013084/shocked_in_china_a_beggar_bullying_a_disable_young_beggar_in_da/
http://www.glovesoff.org/web_archives/nyt_china_20040407.html
http://en.secretchina.com/realchina/china_s_begging_children.html
http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?gid=2&tid=655699
http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/the-clinging-beggars-of-china.html
http://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives/20061016_beggars_in_china_and_peoples_attitude.htm
http://www.chinasmack.com/pictures/little-beggar-child-china/
http://www.chinatravel.net/chinatravelnet/qa/QAQuestion.aspx?id=26
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/22/china.theobserver
http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20080204-48203.html
It even seems to have become China's latest export:
http://malaysiakusayang.blogspot.com/2009/04/chinese-beggars-in-malaysia.html
http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20090903-165310.html
But I guess that, as per ARAK, they must be high-IQ beggars........
Penang
Why shift the focus?
We are talking about India, right?
The people in India who are affected, right?
That they would get "due processed", right?
What? You don't even see those living on the street?
Or ... to you, Mr. Rajah, those are not "people", ie, they are not
"Human Beings" ?
When was the last time these "non-people" get any attention?
>
> However, I would not be as sanguine as you appear to be on the issue of
> "outcasts" in China, as if China is immune from it:
>
> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1013084/shocked_in_china_a_beggar_bully...http://www.glovesoff.org/web_archives/nyt_china_20040407.htmlhttp://en.secretchina.com/realchina/china_s_begging_children.htmlhttp://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?gid=2&tid=655699http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/the-clinging-beggars-of-china.htmlhttp://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives/20061016_beggars_in_china_and_p...http://www.chinasmack.com/pictures/little-beggar-child-china/http://www.chinatravel.net/chinatravelnet/qa/QAQuestion.aspx?id=26http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/22/china.theobserverhttp://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20080...
>
> It even seems to have become China's latest export:http://malaysiakusayang.blogspot.com/2009/04/chinese-beggars-in-malay...http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story2009...
>
> But I guess that, as per ARAK, they must be high-IQ beggars........
>
> >> I wouldn't expect someone like you to
> >> understand that, since you personally are not in the position of losing
> >> your home, being re-located hundreds or thousands of miles away and
> >> being "assigned" a new menial job, with no compensation or consideration
> >> of your rights.
>
> >>http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GE12Ad01.htmlhttp://www.ciel.org/I...
>
> >>> As you admitted, we're "not equal". At least, and that I got to admit,
> >>> thank you for your honesty. And for that very reason there's no reason
> >>> to expect parity of outcome, either.
> >> You can only expect relative parity of outcomes if there is relative
> >> parity of factors that affect the process. Unfortunately, your
> >> dimly-comprehending mind is only able to focus on an alleged IQ
> >> differential, while ignoring a host of other factors that are more
> >> germane to the actual outcome in this comparison.
>
> >> I note that, once again, you have side-stepped the issue of China's low
> >> growth for decades and centuries prior to the 1970s, simply because you
> >> have no answer. You have failed to explain why, after decades of
> >> high-growth, China is _still_ on par with many low-growth third-world
> >> countries in terms of per-capita GDP, and will require decades more of
> >> double-digit growth before it achieves near parity with Japan and
> >> Western Europe. Surely this almost century-long slog to bring China up
> >> to par means that China has hitherto been a "low-IQ" country that
> >> wallowed in third world poverty for centuries, does it not? I mean, a
> >> country with the highest mean IQ on the planet should never have fallen
> >> into a centuries-long pit of extreme poverty, correct?
>
> >>http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1497255.htmhttp://english.peo...
Arindam Banerjee
>
> Who are the largest group of people being affected, day in day out, in
> India?
The so-called upper castes - brahmins in particular.
> The outcast.
Indeed. Every brahmin or other caste Hindu I know, now feels like an
outcast in Modern India, and wants to emigrate. For they have been
subjected to unjustified and systematic vilification for decades -
from the media, the academia, govt. politicies, novelists, and of
course the foreign interests.
> What type of "due process" are they getting?
The foreign embassies have bee pretty kind, on the whole. So there is
a diaspora. The upper castes are leaving as fast as they possibly
can. I am one of them, a lucky one indeed.
> Nada, nothing, zilch.
Less than that, actually, from the hate-filled lower caste politicians
and their hangers-on.
> They just live on the street, die on the street. And people just walk
> by, as if these outcasts do not exist.
Not true, now. Yes it did happen when Churchill starved 3-4 million
Bengalis to death, and those images are still vivid.
> And again, we are talking about India, right?
Of course, of course.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee.
P. Rajah
You know, for people who claim racial intellectual superiority, both you
and ARAK appear quite determined to prove yourselves the exceptions. Get
someone who can comprehend the English language to explain to you what I
wrote above. I can't even allow that your counter is about semantics,
because it isn't. You flat out cannot understand what I wrote. I will
not endlessly repeat myself to half-wits.
Penang
Brahmins, or Brahmins !
If you leave India, what would India become ?
For thousands of years, you Brahmins are the torch bearers of the
Indian civilization. It was you who led and fed the simple peoples.
Without you, what would India become?
India needs you.
Those hateful Hindus don't know that.
Without them, India will become stronger.
But without you Brahmins, India will sink into chaos and mayhem.
Just like what have happened to Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Arindam Banerjee
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well that is all very nice. There are still plenty of brahmins left
in India. When they get their just due everyone will gain.
If instead Indians continue to believe in the lies the foreign
scoundrels have taught them about Brahmins and Hinduism (and the
cowardly,mean, corrupt and bootlicking Indians including those of
brahmin descent absorbed and made personal gains from) then what else
for Indians, but Kodas etc. on the one hand, or continuation of
foreign rule?
Penang
Prostitute St . Mary 's cunt hole , is an Unique Son of GOD"
<veak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> US is asking Taiwan to provide Taiwanese troops for
> Afghanistan .
>
> should US also ask India to provide Indians troops for
> Afghanistan ?
You stupid or what?
India is arming the Taliban !
Allah , your only god Allah , you are only allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to have Allah as your only God .
Indians make High Speed Fucking Cunts
Allah , your only god Allah , you are only allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to have Allah as your only God .
Talibans .
n Dec 30 2009, 2:47 pm, Penang <kalamb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex
Fair skin Indians are from Central Asia.
Indians still practise matriarchship. Indian Hindu women have to pay
dowry to their husband family.
This is like women buying husbands.
India has caste system. So how can they progress?
The only advantage is the Westminster system. But hard luck, they
prefer now to have a woman president with skirt over them.
So how can they see the sunlight?
So for China to be peaceful, China has to appoint a male president to
do 'wu wei'. Or change the top line of 1st hexagram to 'wu wei' dragon
has cause for prosperity.
On Jan 2, 1:54 pm, "Allah , your only god Allah , you are only
allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to
have Allah as