Pius IX’s plans to leave Rome and resume Vatican Council
Dom
Macmillan (1898) contains the following entry for 3 March 1872 in pp.
43-44.
“Bucher brings me from upstairs instructions and material for a Rome
despatch for the Kölnische Zeitung. It runs as follows: ‘Rumours have
already been circulated on various occasions to the effect that the
Pope intends to leave Rome. According to the latest of these the
Council, which was adjourned in the summer, will be reopened at
another place, some persons mentioning Malta and others Trient.
[. . . ] Doubtless the main object of this gathering will be to elicit
from the assembled fathers a strong declaration in favour of the
necessity of the Temporal Power Obviously a secondary object of this
Parliament of Bishops, convoked away from Rome, would be to
demonstrate to Europe that the Vatican does not enjoy the necessary
liberty, although the Act of Guarantee proves that the Italian
Government, in its desire for reconciliation and its readiness to meet
the wishes of the Curia, has actually done everything that lies in its
power.’”
The Vatican I Council had to be suspended abruptly in August 1870,
following the outbreak of the Franco-Prussian War. The Infallibility
Dogma had been hastily promulgated under the duress of the
infallibilist party, but the Temporal Dogma had not been discussed.
Preparations for the Council had started in the early 1860’s,
following the annexation of Romagna, Marche and Umbria and the
creation of the Kingdom of Italy. According to the original plan of
the infallibilist party, the Temporal Dogma was to be the first item
on the Council’s agenda. But, by the time the Council opened on 8
December 1869, the Infallibility Dogma had been placed first.
Hans Lick
It's a very lucky break for the papacy that the Temporal Dogma was not
discussed! Otherwise the Italian government might have had to abolish
the papacy entirely (as Napoleon contemplated doing).
The loss of the papal states freed the papacy to become once again
something of a moral arbiter in a world that had long (rightly)
despised the popes and tin-pot tyrants, corrupt, incompetent and
benighted.
Jean Coeur de Lapin
Dom
Pope Leo XIII recognized that the loss of the temporal power had been
a liberating event. This was recognized formally by Pope Paul VI. On
20 September 2000, there was an item in the Catholic publication
"Avvenire," which stated:
"che nel 1970, proprio il 20 settembre, Paolo VI inviò a Porta Pia il
cardinale vicario, Angelo Dell'Acqua, a celebrare il significato
'provvidenziale' di quella perdita del potere temporale. Da allora,
almeno da allora, è anche festa cattolica, Porta Pia!" (that in 1970,
precisely on 20 September 1970 [the centennial of the Italian Army's
entry into Rome], Pope Paul VI sent Cardinal Angelo Dell'Acqua, his
vicar for Rome, to Porta Pia to celebrate the 'providential'
significance of the loss of the temporal power. Since then, at least
since then, Porta Pia has also been a Catholic celebration!)
Louis Epstein
: On Jun 24, 12:24?pm, Dom <DR...@teikyopost.edu> wrote:
:> Moritz Busch?s ?Bismarck: Some secret pages of his history,? Vol. II ,
:> Macmillan (1898) contains the following entry for 3 March 1872 in pp.
:> 43-44.
:> ?Bucher brings me from upstairs instructions and material for a Rome
:> despatch for the K?lnische Zeitung. It runs as follows: ?Rumours have
:> already been circulated on various occasions to the effect that the
:> Pope intends to leave Rome. According to the latest of these the
:> Council, which was adjourned in the summer, will be reopened at
:> another place, some persons mentioning Malta and others Trient.
:> [. . . ] Doubtless the main object of this gathering will be to elicit
:> from the assembled fathers a strong declaration in favour of the
:> necessity of the Temporal Power Obviously a secondary object of this
:> Parliament of Bishops, convoked away from Rome, would be to
:> demonstrate to Europe that the Vatican does not enjoy the necessary
:> liberty, although the Act of Guarantee proves that the Italian
:> Government, in its desire for reconciliation and its readiness to meet
:> the wishes of the Curia, has actually done everything that lies in its
:>
:> The Vatican I Council had to be suspended abruptly in August 1870,
:> following the outbreak of the Franco-Prussian War. The Infallibility
:> Dogma had been hastily promulgated under the duress of the
:> infallibilist party, but the Temporal Dogma had not been discussed.
:> following the annexation of Romagna, Marche and Umbria and the
:> creation of the Kingdom of Italy. According to the original plan of
:> the infallibilist party, the Temporal Dogma was to be the first item
:> December 1869, the Infallibility Dogma had been placed first.
:
: It's a very lucky break for the papacy that the Temporal Dogma was not
: discussed! Otherwise the Italian government might have had to abolish
: the papacy entirely (as Napoleon contemplated doing).
It can not be in the competence of a temporal to "abolish" a spiritual
office,or vice versa,whatever pretensions might be offered.
: The loss of the papal states freed the papacy to become once again
: something of a moral arbiter in a world that had long (rightly)
: despised the popes and tin-pot tyrants, corrupt, incompetent and
: benighted.
:
: Jean Coeur de Lapin
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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Hans Lick
Why not? Didn't the temporal state create the spiritual office in the
first place? As far as its material possession of anything at all goes
-- they are the things of Caesar, not the next world.
Jean Coeur de Lapin
Louis Epstein
:
: Why not? Didn't the temporal state create the spiritual office in the
: first place?
That of Pontifex Maximus,yes (and thus within the competence of
a Roman MONARCHY to perhaps disestablish,within the context of
worship of the Roman pantheon as a responsibility of that Monarch),
but never that of Bishop of Rome.
: As far as its material possession of anything at all goes
: -- they are the things of Caesar, not the next world.
:
: Jean Coeur de Lapin
:> -=-=-