Resources on Israeli Espionage: hot buttions are at If Americans Knew

[HHW]

Israeli Spying on the United States

[The Pentagon and the Department of State] are channels through which
flow thousands of messages dealing with the nation's top secrets each
day...

But how secure are the secrets?

The leaks to Israel are fantastic. If I have something I want the
secretary of state to know but don't want Israel to know, I must wait
till I have a chance to see him personally.

This declaration came from an ambassador, still on active duty in a
top assignment, while he reviewed his long career in numerous posts in
the Middle East. Although hardly a household name in the United
States, his is one of America's best-known abroad. Interviewed in the
State Department, he spoke deliberately, choosing his words carefully:
"It is a fact of life that everyone in authority is reluctant to put
anything on paper that concerns Israel if it is to be withheld from
Israel's knowledge," said the veteran. "Nor do such people even feel
free to speak in a crowded room of such things."

– Paul Findley, They Dare To Speak Out
(Entire chapter coming soon.)

Stealing Success Tel Aviv Style
Philip Giraldi, AntiWar.com - And there is another aspect of Israel’s
growing high tech sector that he understandably chose to ignore
because it is extremely sleazy. That is the significant advantage that
Israel has gained by systematically stealing American technology with
both military and civilian applications. The US developed technology
is then reverse engineered and used by the Israelis to support their
own exports with considerably reduced research and development costs,
giving them a huge advantage against American companies. more

Breaking The Taboo On Israel's Spying Efforts On The United States
Christopher Ketcham, AlterNet - Israel runs one of the most aggressive
and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S., yet public
discussion about it is almost nil. more

Now I've Seen Everything: A Spy Goes To Work For A Thinktank
Justin Raimondo, AntiWar.com - Of course there's nothing all that
unusual about a spy going to work for a Washington thinktank. Ex-CIA
employees do it all the time: so do all sorts of other spooks, who
would otherwise be haunting the world's darkest corners. No big deal.
But what I've never seen, and don't recall ever hearing about, is the
spectacle of a spy for a foreign country being hired by any
organization that hopes to influence U.S. foreign policy. Well, here's
one for the record books: the Middle East Forum has hired Steve Rosen,
once the head of policy development for the America Israel Public
Affairs Committee (AIPAC). Rosen is accused of stealing highly
classified information from the U.S. government and passing it on to
Israeli government officials. more

Israel’s “Spy” In The White House
MER Monthly Magazine - Take the word "spy" here in the overall context
of the background, role, connections and allegiances of Rahm Emanuel.
more

Army Veteran Accused Of Slipping Secrets To Israel In '80s
Larry Neumeister, San Francisco Chronicle - An 84-year-old U.S. Army
veteran was charged with revealing secrets about America's nuclear
weapons, fighter jets and missiles to Israel more than 20 years ago in
a case linked to an earlier spy scandal that strained U.S.-Israeli
relations. more
Where Did AIPAC Come From?

Grant Smith, AntiWar.com, Excerpt from Foreign Agents - AIPAC was
founded by Isaiah L. "Si" Kenen, springing from the American Zionist
Committee for Public Affairs Kenen registered twice with the U.S.
Department of Justice under the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA)
as a foreign agent for Israel. more
AIPAC On Trial: The Lobby Argues That Good Americans Spy For Israel?

Justin Raimondo in The American Conservative - Is there a First
Amendment right to engage in espionage? Dorothy Rabinowitz seems to
think so. Describing the actions of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman,
two former top officials of AIPAC, the premier Israel lobbying group,
who passed purloined intelligence to Israeli government officials, the
Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist characterized them as “activities
that go on every day in Washington, and that are clearly protected
under the First Amendment.” If what Rabinowitz says is true—if passing
classified information to foreign officials is routine in the nation’s
capital—then we are all in big trouble. more

Video: Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.?
Fox News - It has been more than 16 years since a civilian working for
the Navy was charged with passing secrets to Israel. Jonathan Pollard
pled guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage and is serving a life
sentence. At first, Israeli leaders claimed Pollard was part of a
rogue operation, but later took responsibility for his work. Now Fox
News has learned some U.S. investigators believe that there are
Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S., who may
have known things they didn't tell us before September 11. Fox News
correspondent Carl Cameron has details in the first of a four-part
series. more

[Truth and honesty]

On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:10:25 -0700 (PDT),

> Israeli Spying on the United States
>
> [The Pentagon and the Department of State] are channels through which
> flow thousands of messages dealing with the nation's top secrets each
> day...
>
> But how secure are the secrets?
>
> The leaks to Israel are fantastic. If I have something I want the
> secretary of state to know but don't want Israel to know, I must wait
> till I have a chance to see him personally.
>
> This declaration came from an ambassador, still on active duty in a
> top assignment, while he reviewed his long career in numerous posts in
> the Middle East.

This is obviously a fraud as clearly what the writer and HHW do not know is
that the secretary of state is a women. Now I am sure that ambassador, on
active duty in a top assignment would know that.

If you doubt me, check here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_State




--
The reality of Palestinian rule.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/1st_intifada_lynching.jpg

[dsharavi]

On Aug 2, 1:10 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Israeli Spying on the United States

Did you find the name of the Alexandroni commander at Tantura which
you claim Pappe mentioned in the "Tantura section" of "his book"?

[HHW]

The book is next to me on the desk: "The Ethnic Cleansing of
Palestine". I'll get to it, Mrs. Thomas.

[dsharavi]

I'm sure you will, Mrs Watson -- not.

[HHW]

On Aug 2, 3:43 am, Truth and honesty <Tr...@honest.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:10:25 -0700 (PDT),
>
> > Israeli Spying on the United States
>
> > [The Pentagon and the Department of State] are channels through which
> > flow thousands of messages dealing with the nation's top secrets each
> > day...
>
> > But how secure are the secrets?
>
> > The leaks to Israel are fantastic. If I have something I want the
> > secretary of state to know but don't want Israel to know, I must wait
> > till I have a chance to see him personally.
>
> > This declaration came from an ambassador, still on active duty in a
> > top assignment, while he reviewed his long career in numerous posts in
> > the Middle East.
>
> This is obviously a fraud as clearly what the writer and HHW do not know is
> that the secretary of state is a women. Now I am sure that ambassador, on
> active duty in a top assignment would know that.

It was dishonest of you to clip the source, former Congressman Paul
Findlay's book "They Dare to Speak Out", which antedates Secretary
Hilary Clinton's tenure at state, and then to cry "FRAUD"! Your anti-
American behavior is the fraud, a conscious, dissembling fraud. What
you do here is deceitful at the personal level and far worse so far as
your country is concerned. You attempt to distract from crimes,
felonies, against America by Zionist Americans in government, who took
oaths of loyalty to the country and the Constitution when they were
appointed. Spying for any country, obviously including Israel, should
land these people in prison and you cover for them. It's disgusting
but it is exactly what is to be expected from fanatic Zionists withe
huge conflicts of interest whose country is Israel, not the United
States.

>
> If you doubt me, check here.

Disgusting liar.

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_State
>
> --
> The reality of Palestinian rule.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/1st_intifada_lynch...

[HHW]

Are you not going to defend your Zionist colleague, "Truth and
Honesty"? Are you just going to slip past massive ethnic espionage at
State and Defense on behalf of foreigners in Asia? Do you still claim
to be an American, sharavi?

[HHW]

So you people have nothing more to say? How about "Stealing Success
Tel Aviv Style"? Not a word? Reverse engineering. Good old American
style competition in the market place, eh? Real Horatio Alger stuff,
biting the hand that feeds. And you will all whine about poor Jonathan
Pollard.

[drahcir]

H, chill out. Whatever "ethnic espionage" is I certainly have no idea.
However, just remember, allies spy on allies all the time - the reason
you single out Israel is because you're an antisemitic pig.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/us/06leak.html?pagewanted=all

I gave you another link re France spying on us some days ago - of
course, you never replied because you don't care about spying between
allies at all, in fact I'd guess you don't give a shit about America -
you just hate those fucking jooos.

[HHW]

On 12 ago, 15:08, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On Aug 12, 2:51 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 2, 10:17 pm, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 2, 3:48 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 2 ago, 09:41, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 2, 1:10 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Israeli Spying on the United States
>
> > > > > Did you find the name of the Alexandroni commander at Tantura which
> > > > > you claim Pappe mentioned in the "Tantura section" of "his book"?
>
> > > > The book is next to me on the desk: "The Ethnic Cleansing of
> > > > Palestine". I'll get to it, Mrs. Thomas.
>
> > > I'm sure you will, Mrs Watson -- not.
>
> > Are you not going to defend your Zionist colleague, "Truth and
> > Honesty"? Are you just going to slip past massive ethnic espionage at
> > State and Defense on behalf of foreigners in Asia? Do you still claim
> > to be an American, sharavi?
>
> H, chill out. Whatever "ethnic espionage" is I certainly have no idea.

I have no problem saying it out loud: It's American Jewish espionage
at State and Defense, Zionist espionage on behalf of a foreign
country. It's a felony and a breach of trust, a violation of the oath
to country and constitution.

> However, just remember, allies spy on allies all the time - the reason
> you single out Israel is because you're an antisemitic pig.

So the statutes which make it felonious are mistaken and don't apply
to American Jewish Zionists or Mossad spies either? There isn't even a
treaty of alliance with Israel. It's been offered to her but she
rejected it. She doesn't need it. She dominates our Middle East
policies "informally". Why should she be tied to the black letter of a
treaty when she can handle things more flexibly ad hoc? The cynicism
is rampant in the relationship. We do understand your attitude,
Ratner: only an antisemitic pig would wish to stop criminality by
Semites.

> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/us/06leak.html?pagewanted=all
>
> I gave you another link re France spying on us some days ago - of
> course, you never replied because you don't care about spying between
> allies at all, in fact I'd guess you don't give a shit about America -
> you just hate those fucking jooos.

So, I detest you, and you are Jewish. Therefore I just "hate those
fucking jooos." In sum one can never criticize the criminal behavior
of anyone in your ethnic group, and that you get the pass specifically
because they are Jewish. Your logic is as screwed-up as your
conflicted politics. I'm very generous on this subject. I call for the
conviction of every American official who violates his oath to country
and constitution on behalf of any foreign country, not excepting Jews.
Send them all to prison. No special pleading, no specious arguments,
slam the god damned door.

[drahcir]

YOU said that, I didn't, and pretending that I did is just
demonstrating how nearly every word you utter is a lie. What I said
was that it is a two-way street. The link I provided, not from one of
your hilarious pseudosites, but from the NY Times, shows how we spy on
Israel.

There isn't even a
> treaty of alliance with Israel.

Ridiculous and demonstrative either of your pitiful ignorance or
mendacity or both. The only "treaty of alliance" in place at present
is NATO.

It's been offered to her but she
> rejected it.

Really? A mutual defense treaty has been offered to her? Please do
provide this group with a cite. Of course you wouldn't be so feeble-
minded as to have confused the anti-nuclear proliferation treaty with
a "treaty of alliance", would you?

She doesn't need it. She dominates our Middle East
> policies "informally".

Not according to mearsheimer. As you clearly read in the On Point
interview, Israel always considered Iran the real threat, but acceded
to Bush's wish to get Saddam.

Why should she be tied to the black letter of a
> treaty when she can handle things more flexibly ad hoc?

Time to provide a cite, H.

The cynicism
> is rampant in the relationship. We do understand your attitude,
> Ratner: only an antisemitic pig would wish to stop criminality by
> Semites.

That's again not what I said. I said only an antisemitic pig would
single out Israel for doing things that regularly occur between
allies.

> >http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/us/06leak.html?pagewanted=all
>
> > I gave you another link re France spying on us some days ago - of
> > course, you never replied because you don't care about spying between
> > allies at all, in fact I'd guess you don't give a shit about America -
> > you just hate those fucking jooos.
>
> So, I detest you, and you are Jewish. Therefore I just "hate those
> fucking jooos."

H, please, again you're lying by saying I said something I did not.
You detest me because I ensure each and every reader here knows
exactly what you are. You detest me for proving you a liar and rubbing
your decrepit face in it whenever you protest. You detest me for
mocking your calling the "Roman expulsion" the Exodus. Your
antisemitic rants here are far too numerous to question, and have
exactly zero to do with me personally. Your attempt to make a
connection between the two is yet more proof of the lowly, lying scum
you are.

In sum one can never criticize the criminal behavior
> of anyone in your ethnic group,

Never said that either. What I said, for the third time, was that
spying amongst allies is a two way street. THE NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE
ABOVE SHOWS THE US SPYING ON ISRAEL. The most logical, compelling
reason one can deduce from your complete ignoring of that article, as
well as the one I provided in another thread about France spying on
us, to focus ONLY on Israel spying on the US, is that you're an
antisemitic pig. C'mon, H, it's relatively simple logic, even you
should be able to understand that you're a pig.

and that you get the pass specifically
> because they are Jewish. Your logic is as screwed-up as your
> conflicted politics.

Your shit is not my logic, H. It's your feeble attempt to foist your
crap on on me, i.e. your childish, obvious lying. What I said and what
you claim I said are two wildly different things. I'm in a good mood
today, which is why I'm not asking you to support what you say I said
with direct quotes. We all know that you'd flee this thread
immediately were I to do that.

I'm very generous on this subject. I call for the
> conviction of every American official who violates his oath to country
> and constitution on behalf of any foreign country, not excepting Jews.
> Send them all to prison. No special pleading, no specious arguments,
> slam the god damned door.

Send a letter to the FBI with your suggestion - it's unlikely to have
any effect here.

[dsharavi]

On Aug 12, 11:51 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 10:17 pm, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 2, 3:48 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 2 ago, 09:41, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 2, 1:10 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Israeli Spying on the United States
>
> > > > Did you find the name of the Alexandroni commander at Tantura which
> > > > you claim Pappe mentioned in the "Tantura section" of "his book"?
>
> > > The book is next to me on the desk: "The Ethnic Cleansing of
> > > Palestine". I'll get to it, Mrs. Thomas.
>
> > I'm sure you will, Mrs Watson -- not.
>
> Are you not going to defend your Zionist colleague, "Truth and
> Honesty"?

Are you going to produce the name of the Alexandroni commander at

Tantura which you claim Pappe mentioned in the "Tantura section" of
"his book"?

> Do you still claim to be an American, sharavi?

Do you, O Hooded and Sheeted One?

[Michael Ejercito]

On Aug 12, 1:49 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 12 ago, 15:08, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 2:51 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 2, 10:17 pm, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I'm sure you will, Mrs Watson -- not.
>
> > > Are you not going to defend your Zionist colleague, "Truth and
> > > Honesty"? Are you just going to slip past massive ethnic espionage at
> > > State and Defense on behalf of foreigners in Asia? Do you still claim
> > > to be an American, sharavi?
>
> > H, chill out. Whatever "ethnic espionage" is I certainly have no idea.
>
> I have no problem saying it out loud: It's American Jewish espionage
> at State and Defense, Zionist espionage on behalf of a foreign
> country. It's a felony and a breach of trust, a violation of the oath
> to country and constitution.

Yes, it is.

>
> > However, just remember, allies spy on allies all the time - the reason
> > you single out Israel is because you're an antisemitic pig.
>
> So the statutes which make it felonious are mistaken and don't  apply
> to American Jewish Zionists or Mossad spies either?

They do apply.

Ask Jonathan Pollard.


Michael

[HHW]

You bet they do.

[HHW]

On 12 ago, 16:33, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On Aug 12, 4:49 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I''m not going to reply to this one because you've chopped up my text
to make it essentially unreadable. Let me know when you're willing to
stop behaving like an adolescent.

[The Revd]

Why have YOU not been tried and convicted of disloyalty to your host
country, gook?

[drahcir]

You're not going to reply because you're going to flee, as you ALWAYS
do when you've been caught in a lie. "Chopping up" text is the way
replies happen - each point in a reply is placed beneath the specific
points in the original post to which it applies.

Here's the post you lack even the honesty to admit you're fleeing
from:

[The Peeler]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 03:57:19 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:

>>> to American Jewish Zionists or Mossad spies either?
>> They do apply.
>>
>> Ask Jonathan Pollard.
>
> Why have YOU not been tried and convicted of disloyalty to your host
> country, gook?

Yes, why, The Rectum? Don't you have a psychopathic answer to this,
psychopath? <BG>

--
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").

[Michael Ejercito]

I am loyal to my country, nithing.


Michael

[The Revd]

You are only loyal to 'Israel', gook. 'Israel' is the USA's Number
One enema. Since you are loyal to 'Israel' you are disloyal to your
host country. You need to be rounded up, incarcerated, and deported
back to the Flippines.

And what the fuck is a "nithing"? It's not English. It is Tagalog?
Yiddish?

[The Peeler]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:29:27 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of

sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:

>>> Why have YOU not been tried and convicted of disloyalty to your host
>>> country, gook?
>> I am loyal to my country, nithing.
>
> You are only loyal to 'Israel', gook. 'Israel' is the USA's Number
> One enema. Since you are loyal to 'Israel' you are disloyal to your
> host country. You need to be rounded up, incarcerated, and deported
> back to the Flippines.

Blithering hysterical idiot! LOL

> And what the fuck is a "nithing"? It's not English. It is Tagalog?
> Yiddish?

It IS English, you illiterate nithing!

From the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary:

nithing
nithing noun. ['nʌɪðɪŋ] Now arch. or Hist. LOE.
[Old Norse niðingr from nið contumely, libel, insult = Old English nīÞ
enmity, malice, affliction, Old Frisian, Old Saxon, Old High German nīd
(Dutch nijd, German Neid envy). Cf. NIDING, NIDDERING.]

A vile coward; an abject or contemptible person; a villain. Formerly also, a
mean or miserly person; a niggard.

Recognize yourself, you nithing?

[NoSpamAtAll]

In article <3anh28l6p7o9c9kg4...@4ax.com>,
The Revd <pee...@degenerate.Grik> wrote:

> I want to disinter the Queen Mother and butt-fuck
> her to death again!!

Can someone do something regarding this sick creature? Alert
the authorities, perhaps?

[Michael Ejercito]

On Aug 13, 11:31 am, The Peeler <finishing...@themoronicRevd.invalid>
wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:29:27 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
> sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
> farted:
>
> >>> Why have YOU not been tried and convicted of disloyalty to your host
> >>> country, gook?
> >>   I am loyal to my country, nithing.
>
> > You are only loyal to 'Israel', gook.  'Israel' is the USA's Number
> > One enema.  Since you are loyal to 'Israel' you are disloyal to your
> > host country.  You need to be rounded up, incarcerated, and deported
> > back to the Flippines.
>
> Blithering hysterical idiot! LOL

Note that he denies that I am an American citizen.

>
> > And what the fuck is a "nithing"?  It's not English.  It is Tagalog?
> > Yiddish?
>
> It IS English, you illiterate nithing!
>
> From the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary:
>
> nithing
> nithing noun. ['nʌɪðɪŋ] Now arch. or Hist. LOE.
> [Old Norse niðingr from nið contumely, libel, insult = Old English nīÞ
> enmity, malice, affliction, Old Frisian, Old Saxon, Old High German nīd
> (Dutch nijd, German Neid envy). Cf. NIDING, NIDDERING.]
>
> A vile coward; an abject or contemptible person; a villain. Formerly also, a
> mean or miserly person; a niggard.
>
> Recognize yourself, you nithing?

He does not want to recognize himself.

He avoid truth like "Twilight's" Edward Cullen avoid garlic and
sunlight.


Michael

[The Revd]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:10:14 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
<meje...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 13, 11:31 am, The Peeler <finishing...@themoronicRevd.invalid>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:29:27 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
>> sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
>> farted:
>>
>> >>> Why have YOU not been tried and convicted of disloyalty to your host
>> >>> country, gook?
>> >>   I am loyal to my country, nithing.
>>
>> > You are only loyal to 'Israel', gook.  'Israel' is the USA's Number
>> > One enema.  Since you are loyal to 'Israel' you are disloyal to your
>> > host country.  You need to be rounded up, incarcerated, and deported
>> > back to the Flippines.
>>
>> Blithering hysterical idiot! LOL
> Note that he denies that I am an American citizen.

YOU are an illegal alien, gook. You are a Flippine citizen.

>>
>> > And what the fuck is a "nithing"?  It's not English.  It is Tagalog?
>> > Yiddish?
>>
>> It IS English, you illiterate nithing!
>>
>> From the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary:
>>
>> nithing

>> nithing noun. ['n??ð??] Now arch. or Hist. LOE.

Not English, in other words.

>> [Old Norse niðingr from nið contumely, libel, insult = Old English n?Þ
>> enmity, malice, affliction, Old Frisian, Old Saxon, Old High German n?d

>> (Dutch nijd, German Neid envy). Cf. NIDING, NIDDERING.]
>>
>> A vile coward; an abject or contemptible person; a villain. Formerly also, a
>> mean or miserly person; a niggard.
>>
>> Recognize yourself, you nithing?
> He does not want to recognize himself.
>
> He avoid truth like "Twilight's" Edward Cullen avoid garlic and
>sunlight.

YOU avoid truth like the jews avoid hard work and honesty, gook.

[dsharavi]

Guess not.

> > Do you still claim to be an American, sharavi?

> Do you, O Hooded and Sheeted One?

Guess not.

[Count 1]

On 8/12/2012 2:49 PM, HHW wrote:
> On 12 ago, 15:08, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> On Aug 12, 2:51 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 10:17 pm, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Aug 2, 3:48 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On 2 ago, 09:41, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Aug 2, 1:10 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Israeli Spying on the United States
>>
>>>>>> Did you find the name of the Alexandroni commander at Tantura which
>>>>>> you claim Pappe mentioned in the "Tantura section" of "his book"?
>>
>>>>> The book is next to me on the desk: "The Ethnic Cleansing of
>>>>> Palestine". I'll get to it, Mrs. Thomas.
>>
>>>> I'm sure you will, Mrs Watson -- not.
>>
>>> Are you not going to defend your Zionist colleague, "Truth and
>>> Honesty"? Are you just going to slip past massive ethnic espionage at
>>> State and Defense on behalf of foreigners in Asia? Do you still claim
>>> to be an American, sharavi?
>>
>> H, chill out. Whatever "ethnic espionage" is I certainly have no idea.
>
> I have no problem saying it out loud: It's American Jewish espionage
> at State and Defense, Zionist espionage on behalf of a foreign
> country.

Ah, so 'ethnic espionage' is when Jews do it. The term is moronic, to
some degree all espionage has an 'ethnic' ingredient to it.

It's a felony and a breach of trust, a violation of the oath
> to country and constitution.

Amen brother, and when *any* spy is caught they are handled pretty much
the same way. I haven't seen any argument to date that those who spy for
Israel are treated much differently than any other spy.

>> However, just remember, allies spy on allies all the time - the reason
>> you single out Israel is because you're an antisemitic pig.
>
> So the statutes which make it felonious are mistaken and don't apply
> to American Jewish Zionists or Mossad spies either?

Huh? He said nothing of the kind. He was saying you single out Israel
for criticism, even though they aren't doing anything particularly
egregious in the espionage game, because you're an antisemitic pig.

And a pretty dumb one too boot.

There isn't even a
> treaty of alliance with Israel.

So what? Hate to break this to you, but I don't think there's a 'Treaty
of Alliance' between the US and Canada, and we're the biggest
partnership in the world.

It's been offered to her but she
> rejected it.

What? When? Got a cite?

>> I gave you another link re France spying on us some days ago - of
>> course, you never replied because you don't care about spying between
>> allies at all, in fact I'd guess you don't give a shit about America -
>> you just hate those fucking jooos.
>
>
>
> So, I detest you, and you are Jewish. Therefore I just "hate those
> fucking jooos." In sum one can never criticize the criminal behavior
> of anyone in your ethnic group,

The problem is your criticism. It doesn't withstand rudimentary
analysis. The material you produce regarding Israel is pure fantasia,
written from the perspective of someone who has so clearly not even
traveled in the region, let alone done any kind of adequate reading on
Israel's history. Lately you've been criticizing Jews because some Jews
have engaged in banking fraud, or have put up advertisements that you're
a few generations out to appreciate. (Topics that have nothing to do
with 'zionism', which you don't know anything about anyway)

Do you really think all Jews are responsible for the crimes of a few
Jews, and why do you even think of them as Jews? Are they not Americans?
I asked you this in another thread you ran from.

[Count 1]

> So you people have nothing more to say? How about "Stealing Success
> Tel Aviv Style"? Not a word? Reverse engineering. Good old American
> style competition in the market place, eh? Real Horatio Alger stuff,
> biting the hand that feeds. And you will all whine about poor Jonathan
> Pollard.

No one gives a shit about Alison "Jews harvest Palestinian Organs" Weir.
Like MacDonald she is a moron, thoughtful people dismiss morons
instantaneously.

[dsharavi]

IIRC, Alison Weir is simply another old grey mare from David Duke's
stable.

[The Peeler]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:31:52 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of

sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:

>>>

>>> Blithering hysterical idiot! LOL
>> Note that he denies that I am an American citizen.
>
> YOU are an illegal alien, gook. You are a Flippine citizen.

He isn't! But you are a sick subnormal degenerate and perverted psychopathic
swine. And you KNOW it!

>>> It IS English, you illiterate nithing!
>>>
>>> From the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary:
>>>
>>> nithing

>>> nithing noun. ['n??�??] Now arch. or Hist. LOE.

>
> Not English, in other words.

Listed in an ENGLISH LANGUAGE DICTIONARY, you illiterate moron! Most English
words have foreign roots!

>>> Recognize yourself, you nithing?
>> He does not want to recognize himself.
>>
>> He avoid truth like "Twilight's" Edward Cullen avoid garlic and
>>sunlight.
>
> YOU avoid truth like the jews avoid hard work and honesty, gook.

<BG> The only way for you to get to know the truth would be if "truth" came
along and porked you from behind!

--
The Rectum about himself:
"And you just wish someone, anyone, anything would cornhole you!"

[HHW]

Everyone who bests you is a moron. She is tough, smart and honest.
What she says hurts your Zionist ears.

[HHW]

On 13 ago, 22:46, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On 8/12/2012 2:49 PM, HHW wrote:
>
> >>> Are you not going to defend your Zionist colleague, "Truth and
> >>> Honesty"? Are you just going to slip past massive ethnic espionage at
> >>> State and Defense on behalf of foreigners in Asia? Do you still claim
> >>> to be an American, sharavi?
>
> >> H, chill out. Whatever "ethnic espionage" is I certainly have no idea.
>
> > I have no problem saying it out loud: It's American Jewish espionage
> > at State and Defense, Zionist espionage on behalf of a foreign
> > country.
>
> Ah, so 'ethnic espionage' is when Jews do it. The term is moronic, to
> some degree all espionage has an 'ethnic' ingredient to it.
>
>   It's a felony and a breach of trust, a violation of the oath
>
> > to country and constitution.
>
> Amen brother, and when *any* spy is caught they are handled pretty much
> the same way. I haven't seen any argument to date that those who spy for
> Israel are treated much differently than any other spy.

The material from the Findlay book indicates that they weren't being
monitored.
The coop had been given over to the fox or there were so many American
Zionists
there spying for Israel that the counter-espionage system was
overwhelmed.
Take your pick.

.

> >> However, just remember, allies spy on allies all the time - the reason
> >> you single out Israel is because you're an antisemitic pig.

The subject here is the nature of our relationship with Israel. Even
so I know of no ethnic penetration of our diplomatic security remotely
on the scale of this. If anyone here does, speak up.

> > So the statutes which make it felonious are mistaken and don't  apply
> > to American Jewish Zionists or Mossad spies either?
>
> Huh?  He said nothing of the kind.

He attempted to trivialize Jewish-American espionage on behalf of
Israel. It's a legitimate conclusion about his thought processes for
me to draw. He can explain why he thinks the way he does if he wishes.
So can the "Anglo-Saxon" Count from the wastes of Alberta.

He was saying you single out Israel
> for criticism, even though they aren't doing anything particularly
> egregious in the espionage game, because you're an antisemitic pig.

He did call me an antisemitic pig. And so do you. It's your only tool.
And you too on behalf of Israel try to minimize the seriousness of
betrayal of one's country and the commission of felonies in the
process. One can imagine how you would howl if I suggested that it
appears that as we could not control this massive ethnic betrayal in
the foreign policy apparatus, we should have considered assigning
Jewish applicants for government positions to the Agriculture
Department. Don't fail to respond here, Count, I really hope to see
you argue the right to espionage for Zionists. Anything for a good
cause.

> And a pretty dumb one too boot.

Sure, Count, that's the readership is now closing in on 5,000 a month
and at one point a couple of years ago it was at 16,000. Why don't you
come up with something on the merits? And more pointedly, why can't
you bring yourself to condemn Jewish-American espionage against their
native land for a foreign country.

> There isn't even a
>
> > treaty of alliance with Israel.
>
> So what? Hate to break this to you, but I don't think there's a 'Treaty
> of Alliance' between the US and Canada, and we're the biggest
> partnership in the world.

Yes, and it is completely consensual. No member of your Parliament was
ever driven from office or subjected to threats and intimidation by
Canada's "American Lobby". The NATURE of the relationship with Israel
bears no resemblance to the nature of our relationship with Canada.
Would you like to discuss it?

>
> It's been offered to her but she
>
> > rejected it.
>
> What? When? Got a cite?

All you do here is repeat Ratner's comments. Have you no self-
confidence? Have you fallen behind on your hasbara lessons?

>
> >> I gave you another link re France spying on us some days ago - of
> >> course, you never replied because you don't care about spying between
> >> allies at all, in fact I'd guess you don't give a shit about America -
> >> you just hate those fucking jooos.
>
> > So, I detest you, and you are Jewish. Therefore I just "hate those
> > fucking jooos." In sum one can never criticize the criminal behavior
> > of anyone in your ethnic group,
>
> The problem is your criticism.

No it isn't. The comment above is perfectly logical. Criticism of
Israel and of her Jewish-American agents here always elicits the
Antisemite! epithet designed to shame and humiliate, to hopefully be a
social kiss of death socially. Even when the crimes alleged are
violations of the oath and espionage as is the case in this very
thread. I criticize. I am an "antisemitic pig". In fact 'antisemitic
pig' in politics really means any opponent of the Israel Lobby and
Israel's policies. And there are myriad levels below them where the
pattern is found. You, a Jewish political activist, would be horrified
if you lost that political tool. Hell, you'd be made very
uncomfortable if antisemitism disappeared. You'd have to adopt a
civilized political style, one disconnected from artificially induced
Holocaust guilt.

It doesn't withstand rudimentary
> analysis.

That's a throwaway sentence, filler.

The material you produce regarding Israel is pure fantasia,
> written from the perspective of someone who has so clearly not even
> traveled in the region, let alone done any kind of adequate reading on
> Israel's history.

That's half ad hominem and 100% bullshit.

 Lately you've been criticizing Jews because some Jews
> have engaged in banking fraud, or have put up advertisements that you're
> a few generations out to appreciate.

My distaste for the flat-out attack on American cultural standards
coming out of Hollywood, television, advertising and the pornography
industry needs no defense. I don't believe in cultural relativity. The
standards of the owners and those who control those industries have
had a corrupting influence on the country. It can't be denied by any
thoughtful person irrespective of age. Not even you will defend it
candidly because it can't be done. As to banking I have referred only
to Goldman Sachs, the behavior of which over decades has been
execrable in the extreme. For saying this you accuse me of
"criticizing Jews (per se) because some Jews" have participated in
these things. I ask you, Count, how do you justify accusing me of
antisemitism when the industries corrupting us are objectively
dominated by Jewish interests? Why, Count, can't these industries and
the specific persons who run and influence them be IDENTIFIED as the
source of the problem? Let's presume they were Canadian Anglo Saxons
as you pretended to be. Could we not accuse them of having had a
grossly corrupting influence on the country? Of course we could. But
we're antisemitic pigs if we criticize the actual ownership and
controlling cohort causing the problem in America. That stinks, Count.
It's dishonest.

(Topics that have nothing to do
> with 'zionism', which you don't know anything about anyway)

Tell us what it is which you believe I don't know about Zionism and
I'll have you in a hammerlock in about ten minutes. And I'll do it by
explaining what Americans need to know about it. The uses of the
doctrine and the track record of its true believers are clear. You
weren't born with a genetic memory of it.

> Do you really think all Jews are responsible for the crimes of a few
> Jews, and why do you even think of them as Jews? Are they not Americans?
> I asked you this in another thread you ran from.

Do I "really" believe that FALSEHOOD used by you in an attempt to
smear me in every post? No, of course not. What I believe is what I'm
saying here, not your misrepresentation of it. And there is nothing
antisemitic about it. The truth can not be antisemitic. Carefully
distinguished from you, I don't believe in guilt by association. No
humanist does. You don't want to hear what I say, more particularly
you don't want the non-Jewish public to hear it, and you have one
weapon only, the gratuitous accusation of antisemitism. That, for
example, is not being used by "all Jews". But it is being used by
Zionist activists to silence opposition and to safely continue the
corruption of our Congress and political class with money and
intimidation clearly contrary to our national interests.

[HHW]

On 14 ago, 11:38, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> Oh, and while you're at it could you please exlain this:
>
> "LONDON — After a brief spurt of optimism, impetus toward resolving
> the nuclear dispute with Iran slowed further on Friday as senior
> inspectors from the United Nations nuclear watchdog said they had made
> “no progress” toward gaining access to restricted sites they suspect
> of being used to test potential triggers for nuclear warheads."

Israel stole nuclear triggers from the United States, probably through
the agency of Zionist Americans. She did it as a part of her effort to
create and maintain apparently forever a first-strike nuclear monopoly
in the Middle East. What may be threatened here is precisely that
monopoly.

Nuclear weapons in the hands of anyone in the Middle East are
unacceptable. We must adjust our policy toward Israeli Nukes. Neither
confirm nor deny makes no sense from our point of view. The Israeli
threat must be outed and dealt with. It can't be presumed to be non-
existent.

At the second tier it is axiomatic that if the zone in question is not
nuke free, then it is best for no one to have an undeterred monopoly.
Therefore, if only because it would make negotiations impossible, a
military attack on Iran should not take place and the sanctions regime
should be cancelled as a display of western good will, that being a
scarce commodity coming from Israel.

Israel be appointed an English Clergyman's spinster daughter as Regent
until the successful conclusion of negotiations with the Palestinians
and the Iranians. In the interim HHW shall be in command of the
Israeli Air Force, Navy, IDF and any other persons or entities of
whatsoever kind or nature which may cleverly have been given
possession of one or more Israeli nukes. There will be a prompt death
penalty for all violations of trust.

The West and the Middle East should be notified that if negotiations
for a Palestinian State on the West Bank and Gaza and the return of
the Golan to the New Syria, and for a nuclear free zone, are not
completely successful within 18 months, the United States and its
European allies will terminate their assistance to all parties and
withdraw from the region except for distant and correct diplomatic and
commercial ties.


> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/world/middleeast/nuclear-agency-res...
>
> Just imagine those silly UN inspectors - they don't seem to be aware
> the intel that you and your silly website are. Why don't you write a
> letter to the UN telling them how silly they are, after all, your
> intel says Iran is not interested in a nuclear weapon, so why, if this
> is so, would they be testing triggers for nuclear warheads. That UN is
> just so silly.
>
> From the same article:
>
> "But Mr. Nackaerts said no date had been fixed for the next meeting.
> Iran says its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, but Western
> leaders say they suspect it is intended to achieve the capability to
> build nuclear weapons."
>
> Those silly western leaders must be taking instructions from Israel,
> eh H?

Preventing the "capability" to make nuclear weapons is Israeli
language and the Israeli position. Our policy differs from that
because we follow the law. I follow American policy. Have you a
problem with that. Oh, yes, only antisemitic pigs follow American
policy on these things.

> "The I.A.E.A. said in November that it believed the Iranians might
> have carried out testing of explosives at Parchin that could be used
> in triggering mechanisms for nuclear warheads. "

Why wouldn't you expect it?
>
> Silly IAEA. you should write them, too.

I prefer to contribute to the alteration of American public opinion
even if in an infinitesimal amount. It's a moral obligation.

> Here's another one of those crazies not paying attention to your
> "intelligence""

Where does it come from? What's the date?

> "WASHINGTON — The United Nations’ nuclear inspectors declared for the
> first time on Thursday that they had extensive evidence of “past or
> current undisclosed activities” by Iran’s military to develop a
> nuclear warhead


, an unusually strongly worded conclusion that seems
> certain to accelerate Iran’s confrontation with the United States and
> other Western countries."
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/world/middleeast/19iran.html?scp=4&...
>
> Bottom line is, you're an antisemitic pig who will lie with no limit
> re this issue and who  would get nothing but pleasure were Iran to
> achieve nuclear capability.

I do think it would take the wind out of Israel's obdurate
stubbornness and menacing style. That could only be of assistance.
Humbled a bit their attitude toward genuine negotiations should
change.

[dsharavi]

On Aug 14, 3:18 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The material from the Findlay book indicates that they weren't being
> monitored.

The "Findlay book" is obviously They Dare To Speak Out, by pro-Arab
propagandist /apologist and conspiracy theorist, Paul Findley. Findley
has already been dealt with here -- years ago.

> Tell us what it is which you believe I don't know about Zionism and
> I'll have you in a hammerlock in about ten minutes.

What Hunter doesn't know about Zionism ... well, let's start simply,
with Chibbat Tziyon, Chovevei Tzyion, BILU, General Zionism, Achad
Ha'Am, Yehuda Halevi, Ezra, Hashomer Hatza'ir, Hapoel Hatza'ir, Poelei
Tziyon, Dov Borochov, Leon Pinsker, Nachman Syrkin, Orthodox Zionism,
Political Zionism, Religious Zionism, Messianic Zionism, Christian
Zionism, Radical Messianic Zionism, Max Nordau, Ze'ev Jabotinksy,
Revisionist Zionism, Betar, Socialist Zionism, Marxist National
Zionism, Non-Marxist National Zionism, Pragmatic Zionism, Spiritual
Zionism, Synthetic Zionism, Territorial Zionism, Gordonian Eco-
Zionism,

> And I'll do it by
> explaining what Americans need to know about it. The uses of the
> doctrine and the track record of its true believers are clear.

lol
First, look into the subjects listed above, so you won't sound like a
freakin eejit. But before either, produce the name of the Alexandroni
commander at Tantura, which you claim you found in Pappe, whose book
you claimed you had in front of you.

> > Do you really think all Jews are responsible for the crimes of a few
> > Jews, and why do you even think of them as Jews? Are they not Americans?
> > I asked you this in another thread you ran from.

> Do I "really" believe that FALSEHOOD used by you in an attempt to
> smear me in every post? No, of course not. What I believe is what I'm
> saying here, not your misrepresentation of it. And there is nothing
> antisemitic about it. The truth can not be antisemitic.

[flush diarrhea]

Truth isn't antisemitic. But Hunter Watson doesn't deal in truths --
or facts, -- and Hunter has demonstrably proven himself an antisemite,
not to mention a racist White Supremacist and homophone.

Got that commander's name yet?

[dsharavi]

What a fewken maroon. Hunter has REALLY lost the plot.

[Count 1]

On 8/14/2012 4:18 PM, HHW wrote:
> On 13 ago, 22:46, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On 8/12/2012 2:49 PM, HHW wrote:
>>
>>>>> Are you not going to defend your Zionist colleague, "Truth and
>>>>> Honesty"? Are you just going to slip past massive ethnic espionage at
>>>>> State and Defense on behalf of foreigners in Asia? Do you still claim
>>>>> to be an American, sharavi?
>>
>>>> H, chill out. Whatever "ethnic espionage" is I certainly have no idea.
>>
>>> I have no problem saying it out loud: It's American Jewish espionage
>>> at State and Defense, Zionist espionage on behalf of a foreign
>>> country.
>>
>> Ah, so 'ethnic espionage' is when Jews do it. The term is moronic, to
>> some degree all espionage has an 'ethnic' ingredient to it.
>>
>> It's a felony and a breach of trust, a violation of the oath
>>
>>> to country and constitution.
>>
>> Amen brother, and when *any* spy is caught they are handled pretty much
>> the same way. I haven't seen any argument to date that those who spy for
>> Israel are treated much differently than any other spy.
>
> The material from the Findlay book indicates that they weren't being
> monitored.

Non responsive. To date, you have never indicated anywhere that Israeli
spies are treated any differently than any other spies.

>>>> However, just remember, allies spy on allies all the time - the reason
>>>> you single out Israel is because you're an antisemitic pig.
>
> The subject here is the nature of our relationship with Israel.

Nope. Read the header you typed. It's about Israeli espionage.

>>> So the statutes which make it felonious are mistaken and don't apply
>>> to American Jewish Zionists or Mossad spies either?
>>
>> Huh? He said nothing of the kind.
>
> He attempted to trivialize Jewish-American espionage on behalf of
> Israel. It's a legitimate conclusion about his thought processes for
> me to draw.

LOL. It's a total nonsequitur. At no time did drahcir indicate that laws
regarding espionage should not apply to Israeli spies.

> He was saying you single out Israel
>> for criticism, even though they aren't doing anything particularly
>> egregious in the espionage game, because you're an antisemitic pig.
>
> He did call me an antisemitic pig. And so do you. It's your only tool.

Actually we also rely on your profound ignorance of Israel. The fact
that you're an antisemitic pig is merely icing on the cake.

> And you too on behalf of Israel try to minimize the seriousness of
> betrayal of one's country and the commission of felonies in the
> process. One can imagine how you would howl if I suggested that it
> appears that as we could not control this massive ethnic betrayal in
> the foreign policy apparatus, we should have considered assigning
> Jewish applicants for government positions to the Agriculture
> Department.

A statement that only confirms your racism.

Don't fail to respond here, Count, I really hope to see
> you argue the right to espionage for Zionists. Anything for a good
> cause.

?? What a remarkably stupid thing to write. Espionage is real, it's not
a right, and countries (even allies) do it to each other all the time.
You're only concerned when it involves Israel, making you a hypocrite.

>
>
>> And a pretty dumb one too boot.
>
> Sure, Count, that's the readership is now closing in on 5,000 a month

lol

> and at one point a couple of years ago it was at 16,000. Why don't you
> come up with something on the merits? And more pointedly, why can't
> you bring yourself to condemn Jewish-American espionage against their
> native land for a foreign country.

I don't condemn any espionage. That would be like condemning the weather
for rain.

>> There isn't even a
>>
>>> treaty of alliance with Israel.
>>
>> So what? Hate to break this to you, but I don't think there's a 'Treaty
>> of Alliance' between the US and Canada, and we're the biggest
>> partnership in the world.
>
> Yes, and it is completely consensual. No member of your Parliament was
> ever driven from office or subjected to threats and intimidation by
> Canada's "American Lobby". The NATURE of the relationship with Israel
> bears no resemblance to the nature of our relationship with Canada.
> Would you like to discuss it?

If you want to stay on topic, then I'd be more than happy to discuss why
you thought raising 'treaty of alliance' was relevant.

>
>>
>> It's been offered to her but she
>>
>>> rejected it.
>>
>> What? When? Got a cite?
>
> All you do here is repeat Ratner's comments. Have you no self-
> confidence? Have you fallen behind on your hasbara lessons?

I know, you don't have a cite. Not surprising, once again you're caught
lying. Exposing your lies is getting boring.

>
>>
>>>> I gave you another link re France spying on us some days ago - of
>>>> course, you never replied because you don't care about spying between
>>>> allies at all, in fact I'd guess you don't give a shit about America -
>>>> you just hate those fucking jooos.
>>
>>> So, I detest you, and you are Jewish. Therefore I just "hate those
>>> fucking jooos." In sum one can never criticize the criminal behavior
>>> of anyone in your ethnic group,
>>
>> The problem is your criticism.
>
> No it isn't. The comment above is perfectly logical.

lol

Criticism of
> Israel and of her Jewish-American agents here always elicits the
> Antisemite! epithet designed to shame and humiliate, to hopefully be a
> social kiss of death socially.

Nope. The problem here is you rarely ever criticize Israel or Jews,
largely because you are completely ignorant of both topics. You get
called anti semite when you engage in anti-semitism.

Even when the crimes alleged are
> violations of the oath and espionage as is the case in this very
> thread. I criticize. I am an "antisemitic pig". In fact 'antisemitic
> pig' in politics really means any opponent of the Israel Lobby and
> Israel's policies.

lol. Ok, so you want to wear the moniker proudly. good for you.

And there are myriad levels below them where the
> pattern is found. You, a Jewish

Nope. Wrong again.

political activist, would be horrified
> if you lost that political tool. Hell, you'd be made very
> uncomfortable if antisemitism disappeared. You'd have to adopt a
> civilized political style, one disconnected from artificially induced
> Holocaust guilt.

I'm more than happy to see the end of all ignorant prejudices,
anti-semitism included.

>
>
> It doesn't withstand rudimentary
>> analysis.
>
> That's a throwaway sentence, filler.

Actually its a fact born from months of slamming your 'criticism',
exposing it as totally disconnected from reality.

>
> The material you produce regarding Israel is pure fantasia,
>> written from the perspective of someone who has so clearly not even
>> traveled in the region, let alone done any kind of adequate reading on
>> Israel's history.
>
> That's half ad hominem and 100% bullshit.

Lol, nope. Pure fact.

>
> Lately you've been criticizing Jews because some Jews
>> have engaged in banking fraud, or have put up advertisements that you're
>> a few generations out to appreciate.
>
> My distaste for the flat-out attack on American cultural standards
> coming out of Hollywood, television, advertising and the pornography
> industry needs no defense.

lol. And who are you to determine what 'american cultural standards' are?

I don't believe in cultural relativity. The
> standards of the owners and those who control those industries have
> had a corrupting influence on the country. It can't be denied by any
> thoughtful person irrespective of age.

Absolutely it can be, and I can do so without ignoring the enormous
cultural benefits Jews have brought to America.

Not even you will defend it
> candidly because it can't be done.

Suure, Hunter,,,, sure.

As to banking I have referred only
> to Goldman Sachs, the behavior of which over decades has been
> execrable in the extreme. For saying this you accuse me of
> "criticizing Jews (per se) because some Jews" have participated in
> these things.

Which is exactly what you do.

I ask you, Count, how do you justify accusing me of
> antisemitism when the industries corrupting us are objectively
> dominated by Jewish interests?

You don't know that. To me, they are dominated by American interests.

Why, Count, can't these industries and
> the specific persons who run and influence them be IDENTIFIED as the
> source of the problem?

They can be, but their 'jewishness' is not relevant.

Let's presume they were Canadian Anglo Saxons
> as you pretended to be.

No pretending here Hunter, try to accept reality.

Could we not accuse them of having had a
> grossly corrupting influence on the country? Of course we could.

Actually you couldn't, for reasons you're not intelligent enough to grasp.

> (Topics that have nothing to do
>> with 'zionism', which you don't know anything about anyway)
>
> Tell us what it is which you believe I don't know about Zionism and
> I'll have you in a hammerlock in about ten minutes. And I'll do it by
> explaining what Americans need to know about it. The uses of the
> doctrine and the track record of its true believers are clear. You
> weren't born with a genetic memory of it.

You know nothing of zionism. You are ignorant of its history, rationale,
and current implementations.

>
>> Do you really think all Jews are responsible for the crimes of a few
>> Jews, and why do you even think of them as Jews? Are they not Americans?
>> I asked you this in another thread you ran from.
>
> Do I "really" believe that FALSEHOOD used by you in an attempt to
> smear me in every post?

::sigh:: go back and read the paragraph again. If you want to try to
answer the question I'll give you another chance.

[plainolamerican]

On Aug 2, 3:10 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Israeli Spying on the United States
>

> [The Pentagon and the Department of State] are channels through which
> flow thousands of messages dealing with the nation's top secrets each
> day...
>
> But how secure are the secrets?
>
> The leaks to Israel are fantastic. If I have something I want the
> secretary of state to know but don't want Israel to know, I must wait
> till I have a chance to see him personally.
>
> This declaration came from an ambassador, still on active duty in a
> top assignment, while he reviewed his long career in numerous posts in
> the Middle East. Although hardly a household name in the United
> States, his is one of America's best-known abroad. Interviewed in the
> State Department, he spoke deliberately, choosing his words carefully:
> "It is a fact of life that everyone in authority is reluctant to put
> anything on paper that concerns Israel if it is to be withheld from
> Israel's knowledge," said the veteran. "Nor do such people even feel
> free to speak in a crowded room of such things."
>
> – Paul Findley, They Dare To Speak Out
>    (Entire chapter coming soon.)

>
>  Stealing Success Tel Aviv Style

> Philip Giraldi, AntiWar.com - And there is another aspect of Israel’s
> growing high tech sector that he understandably chose to ignore
> because it is extremely sleazy. That is the significant advantage that
> Israel has gained by systematically stealing American technology with
> both military and civilian applications. The US developed technology
> is then reverse engineered and used by the Israelis to support their
> own exports with considerably reduced research and development costs,
> giving them a huge advantage against American companies. more
>
>  Breaking The Taboo On Israel's Spying Efforts On The United States
> Christopher Ketcham, AlterNet - Israel runs one of the most aggressive
> and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S., yet public
> discussion about it is almost nil. more
>
>  Now I've Seen Everything: A Spy Goes To Work For A Thinktank
> Justin Raimondo, AntiWar.com - Of course there's nothing all that
> unusual about a spy going to work for a Washington thinktank. Ex-CIA
> employees do it all the time: so do all sorts of other spooks, who
> would otherwise be haunting the world's darkest corners. No big deal.
> But what I've never seen, and don't recall ever hearing about, is the
> spectacle of a spy for a foreign country being hired by any
> organization that hopes to influence U.S. foreign policy. Well, here's
> one for the record books: the Middle East Forum has hired Steve Rosen,
> once the head of policy development for the America Israel Public
> Affairs Committee (AIPAC). Rosen is accused of stealing highly
> classified information from the U.S. government and passing it on to
> Israeli government officials. more
>
>  Israel’s “Spy” In The White House
> MER Monthly Magazine - Take the word "spy" here in the overall context
> of the background, role, connections and allegiances of Rahm Emanuel.
> more
>
>  Army Veteran Accused Of Slipping Secrets To Israel In '80s
> Larry Neumeister, San Francisco Chronicle - An 84-year-old U.S. Army
> veteran was charged with revealing secrets about America's nuclear
> weapons, fighter jets and missiles to Israel more than 20 years ago in
> a case linked to an earlier spy scandal that strained U.S.-Israeli
> relations. more
>  Where Did AIPAC Come From?
>
> Grant Smith, AntiWar.com, Excerpt from Foreign Agents - AIPAC was
> founded by Isaiah L. "Si" Kenen, springing from the American Zionist
> Committee for Public Affairs Kenen registered twice with the U.S.
> Department of Justice under the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA)
> as a foreign agent for Israel. more
>  AIPAC On Trial: The Lobby Argues That Good Americans Spy For Israel?
>
> Justin Raimondo in The American Conservative - Is there a First
> Amendment right to engage in espionage? Dorothy Rabinowitz seems to
> think so. Describing the actions of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman,
> two former top officials of AIPAC, the premier Israel lobbying group,
> who passed purloined intelligence to Israeli government officials, the
> Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist characterized them as “activities
> that go on every day in Washington, and that are clearly protected
> under the First Amendment.” If what Rabinowitz says is true—if passing
> classified information to foreign officials is routine in the nation’s
> capital—then we are all in big trouble. more
>
>  Video: Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.?
> Fox News - It has been more than 16 years since a civilian working for
> the Navy was charged with passing secrets to Israel. Jonathan Pollard
> pled guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage and is serving a life
> sentence. At first, Israeli leaders claimed Pollard was part of a
> rogue operation, but later took responsibility for his work. Now Fox
> News has learned some U.S. investigators believe that there are
> Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S., who may
> have known things they didn't tell us before September 11. Fox News
> correspondent Carl Cameron has details in the first of a four-part
> series. more

Israel runs one of the most aggressive
and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S.
---
we know ... that's why we put jewish spies in prison until they're dead

[HHW]

Why do Israeli media keep predicting war with Iran?
By: Tony Karon | August 15, 2012

If the White House believes November will arrive without any nasty
surprises in the Iran nuclear standoff, it is not taking seriously the
feverish chatter throughout Israel‘s media positing an imminent
Israeli attack on the Islamic Republic. The front pages of the four
main Israeli dailies last Friday reflected what appeared to be a
concerted campaign to create the impression that Israel is preparing
itself to start a hot war with Iran sometime over the next 12 weeks,
notwithstanding objections by the US and other Western powers - and,
indeed, by much of Israel’s security establishment. “[Benjamin]
Netanyahu and [Ehud] Barak determined to strike Iran in the fall,”
proclaimed Yedioth Ahronoth. Haaretz offered: “Senior Israeli official
- The Iranian sword at our throat is sharper than the run-up to the
war in 1967.” Maariv informed us in its banner headline that 37% of
the Israeli public believes that “If Iran gets the bomb, it might
result in a second Holocaust.” And Yisrael Hayom said: “Iran
significantly speeds up its progress toward the bomb.” The following
day, the latter paper included a headline claiming that, according to
Israeli TV, a “Decision by Netanyahu and Barak to strike Iran is
almost final.”

Haaretz seemed to suggest that part of the renewed urgency was a claim
that new intelligence allegedly received by the US ostensibly showed
Iran making accelerated progress toward a capability to build nuclear
warheads, although there was no US confirmation of those claims. And
others in the Israeli media were sceptical. One of Israel’s most
senior columnists, Maariv’s Ben Caspit, sought to calm the media
frenzy. “You can all relax,” wrote Caspit. “In the last two weeks,
nothing new has happened with regards to an attack on Iran. The
Cabinet hasn’t convened, the Defence Minister hasn’t summoned the IDF
general staff, and no new information has been received. Everything
that is known today was also known two weeks and two months ago.”

Caspit suggested that the new “bomb Iran” talk wasn’t based on any
qualitative shift in the nature of Iran’s nuclear work. The US
intelligence assessment until now has been that despite steadily
accumulating the means to build nuclear weapons, Iran has not thus far
moved to enrich uranium to weapons grade or to begin the process of
actually building a bomb. Nor has it taken a strategic decision to do
so as yet. The problem is that the “red lines” adopted by Israel and
the US for triggering a military response are different: President
Obama has vowed to take military action to stop Iran from acquiring a
nuclear weapon, whereas Israel has insisted that Iran can’t be allowed
to maintain the capability to build such weapons - a technological
capacity it essentially already has.

Some of the speculation in Israel suggests that Netanyahu and Barak
might take advantage of the window of opportunity offered by a US
election season that leaves the Obama Administration vulnerable on the
Iran issue to present the Administration with a fait accompli -
although even the Israelis acknowledge that the limits on their
military capacities are such that, at best, they could hope to simply
delay Iran’s nuclear progress by a year or two - begging the question
of what strategy would guide an aftermath in which Iran was more
likely to seek a nuclear deterrent, and in which Israel’s break from
the Western consensus on how to deal with Iran would potentially deal
a body blow to the sanctions regime.

Until now the US and other Western powers have restrained Israel from
launching what they believe could be a catastrophic war for very
limited gains through imposing what even Washington’s flagship Israel-
lobbying organization, AIPAC, has called the “strongest set of
sanctions to isolate any country during peacetime.” And Israelis have
long recognised that their threat to take unilateral military action
gives them leverage over Western powers to demand ever tighter
sanctions and pressure on Iran. When former Mossad chief Meir Dagan
last year publicly ridiculed the idea of Israel attacking Iran as
strategic folly, Haaretz columnist Ari Shavit excoriated him for
letting the cat out of the bag:
The threat of a military attack against Iran … is crucial for scaring
the Iranians and for goading on the Americans and the Europeans. It is
also crucial for spurring on the Chinese and the Russians. Israel must
not behave like an insane country. Rather, it must create the fear
that if it is pushed into a corner it will behave insanely. To ensure
that Israel is not forced to bomb Iran, it must maintain the
impression that it is about to bomb Iran.

Most Western analyses in recent months have concluded that Israel
won’t scramble its bombers before November and that the sanctions that
are steadily eroding Iranian living standards will be given more time
to bleed Iran’s economy - although the Israeli leadership correctly
points out that there haven’t been any signs, thus far, that the
tightening choke hold of sanctions will prompt Iran’s leaders to
capitulate to Western demands. By the logic of using the threat of
military action to spur greater Western action, last week’s frenzied
percussion on Israel’s war drums could be read as an attempt to
challenge complacency in Washington and other Western capitals and to
demand even harsher pressure on Iran in the months ahead.

But there’s also a domestic political dimension, with Netanyahu and
Barak clearly stung by criticism from so much of Israel’s security
establishment of their Iran saber rattling and the publicly known
skepticism of the current military brass to Israel mounting a solo
attack on Iran without US support. Both men repeatedly make clear that
it’s the political echelon that will make the decisions on Iran, not
the military.

The reasoning of Barak and Netanyahu is unlikely to convince Israeli
sceptics of military action against Iran, because central to their
scepticism has been unprecedented public questioning of the strategic
competence of Israel’s top political decision makers. Former Shin Bet
chief Yuval Diskin, for example, in April publicly accused Netanyahu
and Barak of being “guided by messianic feelings,” adding, “I don’t
have faith in the current leadership of Israel to lead us to an event
of this magnitude, of war with Iran.” The breakdown of trust, Caspit
claims, is not simply between the US and Israeli political leaderships
but also between Israel’s political leadership and its military
chiefs.

And the scepticism in the security establishment, and among military
chiefs, of a decision to attack Iran at this point will also have been
factored into the analyses in foreign capitals of the likelihood of
Israel going to war, thereby weakening the leverage derived from that
threat. The feverish speculation over an imminent attack on Iran may
drown out such scepticism in the Israeli public sphere, of course. But
it could also call forth further challenges to an Israeli military
option from old security stalwarts.

Clearly, someone wants Israelis and the world to think Israel is
moving closer to launching a fateful attack on Iran. Whether such a
scenario has really become more likely than it was two weeks or two
months ago, or the agenda is part of some game of bluff designed to
change either Iranian or Western behaviour, there’s a growing danger
that the Israeli public’s expectations of war are being raised to a
critical point. After all, as many in the security establishment have
long warned, you can’t keep telling Israelis that there’s a grave and
gathering danger of annihilation looming on the horizon without
creating overwhelming pressure to act. –TIME

[plainolamerican]

----
well now you have
Saturday, May 2, 2009

Federal prosecutors yesterday abandoned an espionage-law case against
two former lobbyists for a pro-Israel advocacy group, a case that had
transfixed much of official Washington because of its potential to
criminalize the exchange of sensitive information among journalists,
lobbyists and policy analysts.

In asking a judge to dismiss charges against Steven J. Rosen and Keith
Weissman, formerly of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or
AIPAC, officials said recent court rulings had changed the legal
landscape and made it unlikely that they would win.

Prosecutors and investigators had used FBI wiretaps to pursue Rosen
and Weissman for at least five years, building a complex case that
involved secret court hearings and dozens of legal filings and
rulings. The two men were charged in 2005 with conspiring to obtain
classified information -- about topics including al-Qaeda and U.S.
forces in Iraq -- and pass it to the Israeli government and
journalists from The Washington Post and other news organizations.
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Rosen and Weissman were the first civilians not employed by the
government charged under the 1917 espionage statute.

"Thank God we live in a country where you can defend yourself against
an injustice like this," Rosen, 66, said yesterday. He said the case
was politicized and pushed by government officials "who have an
obsession with leaks . . . and an obsession with Israel and the theory
that it spies on America."

The case was not a total loss for the government. A former Pentagon
analyst, Lawrence A. Franklin, pleaded guilty in 2005 to passing
government secrets to Rosen and Weissman. He was sentenced to more
than 12 years in prison.

Lawyers for Rosen and Weissman attributed the withdrawal of the case
in part to the Obama administration. "We are extremely grateful that
this new Administration . . . has taken seriously their obligation to
evaluate cases on the merits," the lawyers, Abbe D. Lowell, John
Nassikas and Baruch Weiss, said in a statement.

But David Szady, who was the FBI's assistant director for
counterintelligence when the case was brought, said politics was not a
factor in the decisions to file charges or to withdraw them. "If you
commit espionage against the United States, the FBI has an obligation
to investigate that, regardless of the political fires around it, and
we're blind to whatever country may be involved," Szady said.

Recent pretrial rulings made the case difficult for the government,
including an appeals court ruling that allowed the defense to use
"national defense information" at trial. A lower-court judge also said
prosecutors must show that the two men knew that the information they
allegedly disclosed would harm the United States or help a foreign
government -- a high burden for prosecutors.

Dana J. Boente, the acting U.S. attorney in Alexandria, where the
trial was set to begin June 2, said prosecutors reversed course
because of "the diminished likelihood the government will prevail at
trial . . . and the inevitable disclosure of classified information
that would occur." Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. was aware of
the discussions, law enforcement sources said, adding that the
ultimate decision was made by prosecutors.

Officials said FBI agents opposed the decision, believing they had a
strong case. Joseph Persichini Jr., assistant director in charge of
the FBI's Washington field office, said yesterday that the case's end
was "disappointing," but he commended the work of the agents.

The decision to drop the case was welcomed by AIPAC, long an
influential presence in Washington because of its close ties to
policymakers, think tanks and lawmakers. The group had distanced
itself from Rosen and Weissman, formally firing them in 2005, but
spokesman Patrick Dorton yesterday called the decision "a great day"
for the defendants and their families.

AIPAC's critics had seized on the allegations against the two
lobbyists as fresh evidence that the group had aligned itself so
closely with the Israeli government that it was acting on that
country's behalf. Supporters of the group said they were mystified by
the case, noting that collecting information from government officials
and sharing it with others, including governments with embassies in
Washington, is a highly profitable local business.

The outcome left wider opinions about AIPAC and its influence largely
unchanged. Jon B. Alterman, director of the Middle East program at the
Center for Strategic and International Studies, said he had never
found the case to be particularly revealing about AIPAC. "I thought it
was an unusual action by the government," he said.

Gary Wasserman, a professor of government at Georgetown University who
is writing a book about the case, said he was not surprised that AIPAC
was pleased by the proposed dismissal. A trial, he added, "would have
provoked a lot of public discussion about how they worked."

Staff reporters R. Jeffrey Smith and Carrie Johnson and research
editor Alice Crites contributed to this report.

why do you even think of them as Jews? Are they not Americans?

---
no ... they are members of the jewish collective that puts the
interests of jews and israel before America

[HHW]

Good article. There are extreme difficulties in this political
environment in successfully prosecuting American spies for Israel.
That's a sad fact of life here in the United States. It does not
benefit Israel any more than does the Lobby-induced paralysis in
Congress. They might protect the flow of arms, money and vetoes but
they don't really benefit Israel in the strategic sense, and it's the
strategic picture which is deteriorating so rapidly.

The central problems are the barriers to candor and governmental
independence erected by political Zionism here in the United States.
Most potential critics are silenced by them. But more and more that's
changing as the public becomes aware of the rapidly escalating dangers
that Israel's policies pose for the West. Those dangers are
unquestionably real. So long as the West can not bring itself to stop
Israeli adventurism, we are forced to think of our own interests. In
reality there is no partnership with Israel. Netanyahu's behavior in
the midst of an historic American election campaign proves that beyond
cavil. Our legitimate concerns for her are met with arrogance and
manipulation. She won't even let us try to put together the regional
solutions she obviously needs to badly. Do we just continue to
facilitate her short-sighted radicalism in hopes that she will sooner
or later recover from this post-persecution psychosis? Or do we summon
up the guts to put an end to it?

[HHW]

Only potential superpowers, Russia and China, mount greater efforts
against the United States. Tiny Israel is said to be pretty close to
equivalence with them.

> ---
> we know ... that's why we put jewish spies in prison until they're dead

Have we done that except, possibly, in the case of Jonathan Pollard?

[plainolamerican]

---
the rosenbergs were executed in prison.

regardless, all jewish spies should be imprisoned until death

[dsharavi]

No. Non-Jewish spies are sentenced to prison. Jewish spies are
electrocuted.

[plainolamerican]

---
jewish spies are sitting in our prisons at this very moment

Jewish spies are
electrocuted.
---
as they should be

[dsharavi]

>>>On 8/12/2012 2:49 PM, HHW wrote:
>>>>I have no problem saying it out loud: It's American Jewish espionage
>>>>at State and Defense, Zionist espionage on behalf of a foreign
>>>>country.

>>On Aug 13, 10:46 pm, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca>wrote:

>>>Ah, so 'ethnic espionage' is when Jews do it. The term is moronic, to
>>>some degree all espionage has an 'ethnic' ingredient to it.


>>>> It's a felony and a breach of trust, a violation of the oath
>>>>to country and constitution.


>>>Amen brother, and when *any* spy is caught they are handled pretty much
>>>the same way. I haven't seen any argument to date that those who spy for
>>>Israel are treated much differently than any other spy.

Ah, but Israelis who spy on Israel FOR American are treated
differently -- mostly due to American pressure. Fex:
IDF Major Yosef Amit was arrested in 1986 for spying on behalf of
the CIA; a CIA officer from the Agency’s Tel Aviv station, Thomas
Waltz, a Jewish American, recruited him and was his handler. Amit was
convicted of espionage and sentenced to prison in 1987; he was
released in 1993 due to US pressure.

Pursuant to Masterpiece: An Inside Look at Sixty Years of Israeli
Intelligence (2008), Israel’s nuclear arsenal is a major target of
American intelligence, which routinely spy on Israel to gather data on
it.

Former Israeli Ambassador Itamar Rabinovich has stated that it's
common knowledge amongst Israeli embassy staff that American
intelligence routinely taps embassy phone lines, including the
embassy’s secure lines. The NSA, which intercepts and deciphers
foreign diplomatic messages, employs a considerable number of Hebrew
speakers who spy on Israeli government communications. Intelligence is
also received by American personnel in Israel, whose job duties
include “eavesdropping on conversations between key staff in Israel
and at foreign missions.”

>>>>So the statutes which make it felonious are mistaken and don't apply
>>>>to American Jewish Zionists or Mossad spies either?


>>>Huh? He said nothing of the kind. He was saying you single out Israel
>>>for criticism, even though they aren't doing anything particularly
>>>egregious in the espionage game, because you're an antisemitic pig.

>>>And a pretty dumb one too boot.

>>>>There isn't even a
>>>>treaty of alliance with Israel.


>>>So what? Hate to break this to you, but I don't think there's a 'Treaty
>>>of Alliance' between the US and Canada, and we're the biggest
>>>partnership in the world.

There are a number of 19th century "treaties" between America and
Canada, but they're all of the sort which, today, would be called
"Agreements".

No "Treaty of Alliance", alas. We haven't any "Treaty of Alliance"
with the UK, either.

>>>>It's been offered to her but she
>>>>rejected it.


>>>What? When? Got a cite?

Get real, Your Lordship. Of course Hunter hasn't got a cite.

>>>>So, I detest you, and you are Jewish. Therefore I just "hate those
>>>>fucking jooos." In sum one can never criticize the criminal behavior
>>>>of anyone in your ethnic group,


>>>The problem is your criticism. It doesn't withstand rudimentary
>>>analysis. The material you produce regarding Israel is pure fantasia,
>>>written from the perspective of someone who has so clearly not even
>>>traveled in the region, let alone done any kind of adequate reading on
>>>Israel's history. Lately you've been criticizing Jews because some Jews
>>>have engaged in banking fraud, or have put up advertisements that you're
>>>a few generations out to appreciate. (Topics that have nothing to do
>>>with 'zionism', which you don't know anything about anyway)

>>>Do you really think all Jews are responsible for the crimes of a few
>>>Jews,

Yes.

>>>and why do you even think of them as Jews?

Hunter hates joooz.

>>>Are they not Americans?


Not according to Hunter, and especially not to his White Supremacist
BFFs Kevin MacDonald, David Duke, et autres.

>>>I asked you this in another thread you ran from.

Doesn't Hunter run from every thread in which he's been caught with
his knickers down?

>On Aug 13, 10:46 pm, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca>wrote:

>>I haven't seen any argument to date that those who spy for
>>Israel are treated much differently than any other spy.

On 15 ago, 11:05, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:

>>----
>>well now you have
>>Saturday, May 2, 2009
>
>>Federal prosecutors yesterday abandoned an espionage-law case against
>>two former lobbyists for a pro-Israel advocacy group, a case that had
>>transfixed much of official Washington because of its potential to

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>criminalize the exchange of sensitive information among journalists,

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>lobbyists and policy analysts.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Obviously, plainolamerican failed to grasp the point of the article.
I've seen more convincing arguments made for existing evidence that
the pyramids of Giza were built by gods from outer space.

>>why do you even think of them as Jews? Are they not Americans?
>>---
>>no ... they are members of the jewish collective that puts the
>>interests of jews and israel before America

HHW wrote:
>Good article. There are extreme difficulties in this political
>environment in successfully prosecuting American spies for Israel.
>That's a sad fact of life here in the United States. It does not
>benefit Israel any more than does the Lobby-induced paralysis in
>Congress. They might protect the flow of arms, money and vetoes but
>they don't really benefit Israel in the strategic sense, and it's the
>strategic picture which is deteriorating so rapidly.

Hunter didn't understand the article either.

Anyone with a modicum of familiarity with intelligence -- and that
excludes plainolamerican and Hunter Watson -- finds it next to
impossible to disagree with the fact that states spy on other states,
including friendly allied states, where they don't face as much
counterintelligence as they face in hostile states.

Chief Warrant Officer John Anthony Walker sold information to the
Soviets from 1967 through 1985. The USS Pueblo incident may have taken
place because the Soviets wanted to study equipment described in
documents given them by Walker. Walker helped the Soviets decipher
more than one million encrypted naval messages, gave Soviets "access
to weapons and sensor data and naval tactics, terrorist threats, and
surface, submarine, and airborne training, readiness and tactics", snf
organized a spy operation "described as the most damaging Soviet spy
ring in history”. Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger noted that
the Soviets made significant gains in naval warfare, thanks to
Walker's espionage. Walker was finally caught when his ex-wife
informed authorties of his espionage activities, after he failed to
pay her alimony. Walker plea-bargained a lesser sentence fcor his son,
Michael, also a member of the spy ring, in exchange for his testimony
against co-conspirator Jerry Whitworth, and full details of his
espionage activities. Walker's son was released in 2000, Walker is
scheduled for release in 2015, and co-conspirator Whitworth will be
released when he's 111 years old.

Beginning in the early 1980s, CIA agent Aldrich Ames sold information
on agency operatives and assets in Russia to the Soviets. The secrets
Ames sold resulted in the compromise of over one hundred intelligence
operations and the deaths of at least ten agents in the USSR. In 1995,
Ames was convicted and sentenced to life in a federal penitentiary.

FBI agent Robert Hanssen began selling secrets to the Soviets in 1979.
The info Hanssen sold included data on defectors, military secrets,
technology, and agency operations. He was caught, tried in in 2001,
and sentenced to life in prison.

Lawrence Franklin, a former Department of Defense employee, was tried
and convicted of passing classified documents on American policy
towards Iran to Israel. Franklin was sentenced in January 2006 to
nearly 13 years of prison which was later reduced to ten months house
arrest. Franklin confessed to having passed information to AIPAC
policy director Steven Rosen and AIPAC senior Iran analyst Keith
Weissman who were later fired by AIPAC.

Rosen and Weissman were indicted for conspiracy to gather and disclose
classified national security information to Israel. Rosen said he met
with senior government officials all the time. Prosecutors determined
that it would be nearly impossible to obtain a guilty verdict, and
forced disclosure of large amounts of classified information; the case
was dismissed. Legal experts criticised the government for erroneously
trying to criminalize the routine give and take in Washington.

In June 1953, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were electrocuted for
conspiracy to commit espionage against America on behalf of the USSR.

>Do we just continue to
>facilitate her short-sighted radicalism in hopes that she will sooner
>or later recover from this post-persecution psychosis? Or do we summon
>up the guts to put an end to it?

Try summoning up your guts and producing the name of the Alexandroni
commander at Tantura, which you claim you read "in Pappe's book".

[plainolamerican]

---
I intentionally didn't address the point of the article as I don't
care about your argument with Hunter, alexandroni or pappe's book.

Anyone with a modicum of familiarity with intelligence -- and that
excludes plainolamerican and Hunter Watson -- finds it next to
impossible to disagree with the fact that states spy on other states,
including friendly allied states

---
yes, it's a fact that even allies spy on each other.
it's also a fact the the jews and israel are not an ally of the USA.
They are an enemy within that must be eliminated by any means
necessary.

[Count 1]

Good article. There are extreme difficulties in this political environment in successfully prosecuting American spies for Israel.

Prove it.

[Count 1]

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:05:39 AM UTC-6, plainolamerican wrote:
> On Aug 13, 10:46 pm, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote: > On 8/12/2012 2:49 PM, HHW wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 ago, 15:08, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> On Aug 12, 2:51 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>> On Aug 2, 10:17 pm, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> On Aug 2, 3:48 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>>>> On 2 ago, 09:41, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> On Aug 2, 1:10 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>> Israeli Spying on the United States > > >>>>>> Did you find the name of the Alexandroni commander at Tantura which > >>>>>> you claim Pappe mentioned in the "Tantura section" of "his book"? > > >>>>> The book is next to me on the desk: "The Ethnic Cleansing of > >>>>> Palestine". I'll get to it, Mrs. Thomas. > > >>>> I'm sure you will, Mrs Watson -- not. > > >>> Are you not going to defend your Zionist colleague, "Truth and > >>> Honesty"? Are you just going to slip past massive ethnic espionage at > >>> State and Defense on behalf of foreigners in Asia? Do you still claim > >>> to be an American, sharavi? > > >> H, chill out. Whatever "ethnic espionage" is I certainly have no idea. > > > I have no problem saying it out loud: It's American Jewish espionage > > at State and Defense, Zionist espionage on behalf of a foreign > > country. > > Ah, so 'ethnic espionage' is when Jews do it. The term is moronic, to > some degree all espionage has an 'ethnic' ingredient to it. > >   It's a felony and a breach of trust, a violation of the oath > > > to country and constitution. > > Amen brother, and when *any* spy is caught they are handled pretty much > the same way. I haven't seen any argument to date that those who spy for > Israel are treated much differently than any other spy. > > >> However, just remember, allies spy on allies all the time - the reason > >> you single out Israel is because you're an antisemitic pig. > > > So the statutes which make it felonious are mistaken and don't  apply > > to American Jewish Zionists or Mossad spies either? > > Huh?  He said nothing of the kind. He was saying you single out Israel > for criticism, even though they aren't doing anything particularly > egregious in the espionage game, because you're an antisemitic pig. > > And a pretty dumb one too boot. > > There isn't even a > > > treaty of alliance with Israel. > > So what? Hate to break this to you, but I don't think there's a 'Treaty > of Alliance' between the US and Canada, and we're the biggest > partnership in the world. > > It's been offered to her but she > > > rejected it. > > What? When? Got a cite? > > >> I gave you another link re France spying on us some days ago - of > >> course, you never replied because you don't care about spying between > >> allies at all, in fact I'd guess you don't give a shit about America - > >> you just hate those fucking jooos. > > > So, I detest you, and you are Jewish. Therefore I just "hate those > > fucking jooos." In sum one can never criticize the criminal behavior > > of anyone in your ethnic group, > > The problem is your criticism. It doesn't withstand rudimentary > analysis. The material you produce regarding Israel is pure fantasia, > written from the perspective of someone who has so clearly not even > traveled in the region, let alone done any kind of adequate reading on > Israel's history.  Lately you've been criticizing Jews because some Jews > have engaged in banking fraud, or have put up advertisements that you're > a few generations out to appreciate. (Topics that have nothing to do > with 'zionism', which you don't know anything about anyway) > > Do you really think all Jews are responsible for the crimes of a few > Jews, and why do you even think of them as Jews? Are they not Americans? > I asked you this in another thread you ran from. I haven't seen any argument to date that those who spy for Israel are treated much differently than any other spy. ---- well now you have

Nope - see if you can follow along...

Saturday, May 2, 2009 Federal prosecutors yesterday abandoned an espionage-law case against two former lobbyists for a pro-Israel advocacy group, a case that had transfixed much of official Washington because of its potential to criminalize the exchange of sensitive information among journalists, lobbyists and policy analysts. In asking a judge to dismiss charges against Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, formerly of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, officials said recent court rulings had changed the legal landscape and made it unlikely that they would win.

See that?!? Re-read the sentence right above. Read it again, and again, until it is finally absorbed... The legal landscape had changed, which occured *independently* of the religion of those charged or even the state for whom they were accused of spying for.

You can try again if you'd like. I would actually like to see a credible example of Israeli espionage agents being treated then any other countries espionage agents.


<Snip>

why do you even think of them as Jews? Are they not Americans? --- no ... they are members of the jewish collective that puts the interests of jews and israel before America

****

Look out your backwindow, they're coming for you. I tasked members of 'The Jewish Collective' to kidnap you and take you away for re-education. You will conform, resistance is futile. You cannot protect your vital fluids.

[plainolamerican]

tell'em to bring their favorite weapons and their will ... and money
for their caskets

[drahcir]

On Aug 14, 9:56 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 14 ago, 11:38, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh, and while you're at it could you please exlain this:
>
> > "LONDON — After a brief spurt of optimism, impetus toward resolving
> > the nuclear dispute with Iran slowed further on Friday as senior
> > inspectors from the United Nations nuclear watchdog said they had made
> > “no progress” toward gaining access to restricted sites they suspect
> > of being used to test potentialtriggersfor nuclear warheads."
>

> Israel stole nucleartriggersfrom the United States, probably through

> the agency of Zionist Americans.

Uncited, therefore worthless. And of course, utterly irrelevant.

> > is so, would they be testingtriggersfor nuclear warheads. That UN is

[HHW]

On 16 ago, 16:56, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On Aug 14, 9:56 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On 14 ago, 11:38, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > > Oh, and while you're at it could you please exlain this:
>
> > > "LONDON — After a brief spurt of optimism, impetus toward resolving
> > > the nuclear dispute with Iran slowed further on Friday as senior
> > > inspectors from the United Nations nuclear watchdog said they had made
> > > “no progress” toward gaining access to restricted sites they suspect
> > > of being used to test potentialtriggersfor nuclear warheads."
>
> > Israel stole nucleartriggersfrom the United States, probably through
> > the agency of Zionist Americans.
>
> Uncited, therefore worthless. And of course, utterly irrelevant.

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FBI investigates MILCO nuclear trigger smuggling to Israel



Documents

California-based MILCO International Inc. shipped 15 orders totaling
800 krytrons to the Israeli Ministry of Defense between 1979 and 1983.
Israeli movie producer Arnon Milchan's Heli Trading Company brokered
the transactions. A krytron is a gas-filled tube used as a high speed
switch. Export from the US requires a US State Department munitions
license because krytrons can be used as triggers for nuclear weapons.
The US rejected several requests for krytron export licenses to
Israel. MILCO obtained the krytrons from EG&G Inc.

A US Attorney tried to get MILCO President Richard Kelly Smyth to
implicate Milchan in the illegal krytron export during plea
bargaining. The negotiation failed, and in May, 1984, Smyth was
indicted on 30 counts of smuggling and making false statements. Smyth
and his wife fled the US and remained at large until captured in
Malaga, Spain in July of 2001 after he applied for Social Security
benefits. Smyth pled guilty to violating the US Arms Export Control
Act. In November, Smyth was sentenced to 40 years in prison and a
$20,000 fine, though he was free within four years. In 1985 a Federal
Grand Jury was convened in Los Angeles to investigate potential Atomic
Energy Act and Arms Export Control Act violations, but no charges were
ever filed against Milchan or those who helped Smyth flee the US and
covered his expenses abroad.

A 2011 biography called "Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned
Hollywood Tycoon Arnon Milchan" claims Milchan was recruited into
Israel's LAKAM economic espionage unit in his 20's and became a key
operative for Benjamin Blumberg (head of LAKAM), and Rafi Eitan (who
ran Jonathan Pollard and infiltrated NUMEC). Milchan is the confidant
of Shimon Peres and Benjamin Netanyahu. According to the book,
Blumberg taught Milchan how to establish front companies and secret
bank accounts to launder millions in commissions obtained during LAKAM
and Mossad transactions. Milchan encouraged Smyth in 1972 to
incorporate MILCO to share profits on export sales with his Tel Aviv-
based Milchan Brothers company. Milchan Brothers received purchase
orders from Blumberg and sent them via secure telex to Smyth. MILCO
did 80 percent of its business with Milchan, including transfers of
other US technologies useful to Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons
programs. (Gyroscopes, neutron generators, high-speed oscilloscopes,
computerized flight control systems.) According to the book, after
Smyth was ordered to appear before a federal prosecutor in Los
Angeles, Milchan claimed "I felt bad, but I was ordered to cut all
contact with Smyth." Milchan officially denies any knowledge of MILCO
or Milchan Brothers roles in krytron smuggling

The following FBI files reveal the FBI's interest in Milchan after a
confidential informant revealed his ties to Smyth in 1992. The
declassified but heavily redacted "secret" communications detail the
bureau's fascination with Milchan, from his entry in "Who's Who" to
star-studded associates such as Robert Di Niro and an Iran-Contra
operative. The final page of the FBI file is a clipping of Thomas
Friedman's May, 1985 New York Times interview with Milchan who had
quickly left the US for Jerusalem. Milchan told Friedman "that a
krytron was a small little gizmo which anyone can go buy freely in the
United States. You can use them or all kinds of things, including,
incidentally, making cholent." Friedman clarified that "Cholent is a
stew of beans, carrots, potatoes and beef that is a traditional Jewish
dish prepared on Friday night for eating on the Sabbath. Mr. Milchan
said that with a krytron timer a stove could be set to turn on
automatically to heat up cholent on the Sabbath without anyone working
to light the fire."

Document/PDF Contents
04/2002 New Counterintelligence debriefing of Richard Kelly Smyth.
After he is arrested in Malaga, Spain and extradited to the United
States, Smyth is debriefed by FBI special agents at the Los Angeles US
attorney office. Smyth details his recruitment by Arnon Milchan,
meetings with Benjamin Netanyahu who then worked at smuggling front
Heli Trading (Milchan Brothers Trading Company) in Israel, and how the
"Project Pinto" smuggling operation was rolled up after his arrest for
smuggling 800 nuclear triggers and subsequent flight from the U.S.
06/05/1996 Open source news database information and "Who's Who in
America 1996" entry on smuggling case. "Case Agent [redacted] has
requested that this matter be placed in a closed status at this time."
[Redacted pages]

News clipping, The New York Times, Saturday, May 18, 1985
"Israelis Deny Knowing of Export Bar for Device Usable in A-Bomb" by
Thomas Friedman

News clipping The Washington Post, May 15, 1985
"US Asks Israel to Account for Nuclear Timing Devices" by John M
Goshko

12/28/2011 FOIA release letter
11/30/1993 Message distribution to national an international offices.
"The enclosed is for your information. If used in a future report,
conceal all sources of paraphrase contents...This entire communication
is classified SECRET. LA is advised to provide an appropriate UCFN
for captioned matter." (Universal Case File Number)
04/23/1993


Message to FBI Director. "Enclosed for Los Angeles is one videotaped
copy of two installments of NBC Nightly News that highlights some of
the information that was provided to the Bureau and Los Angeles..."
[Redacted]

"Inasmuch as Los Angeles has not initiated any investigative activity
re subject, Portland will no longer query mentioned source re
subject."

03/29/1993 Message distribution to national an international offices.
"The enclosed is for your information. If used in a future report,
conceal all sources of paraphrase contents...This entire communication
is classified SECRET. LA is requested to furnish a communication
regarding the status of this pending matter to CI-2F
Unit." (Confidential Informant)
02/25/1993 Priority message to the FBI Director and Los Angeles office
that "...during the later part of next week, during an NBC Nightly
News broadcast, Tom Brokaw would reveal the background story
of...MILCO"

08/17/1992


Record of a routine search on 8/17/1992.
[Redacted]

08/14/1992


Secret record of a secure telephone call from special agent in charge
of Los Angeles field office to a special agent in Portland on
7/16/1992.
[Redacted]

07/15/1992
Section 4 [Redacted]
07/15/1992
Section 3


..."At the time of [Smyth's] disappearance, the U.S., did not have any
reliable information that the Israelis were enriching uranium via
uranium hexafluoride. That information did not surface for another
year until an individual named [Mordecai Vanunu] detailed drawings and
photographs of Dimona, Israel's nuclear research center, to the London
Times."
"When they repeatedly asked if proper licenses had been obtained and,
on 7/24/1982, they resigned. During January, 1983, MILCO's Huntington
Beach Offices were burglarized and [redacted] filed a report with the
FBI. The FBI advised the U.S. Customs Service of these activities,
and during May, 1983, Customs realized that the 'tubes' were actually
the mentioned highly-restricted krytrons."

During December, 1984, AUSA [redacted] began plea bargaining
negotiations with [Smyth] regarding the illegal sales in efforts to
get [Smyth] to provide the government with information regarding
[Milchan's] illegal activities. These negotiations failed, and in May,
1984, Smyth was indicted on 30 counts of smuggling and making false
statements, based on 15 shipments of krytrons to Israel." Notes on
individuals involved in Iran-Contra affair, disruption of Iraqi
nuclear reactor through sabotage.

07/15/1992
Section 2


Phone call record continues. "On 8/9/1985, two weeks from the trial
date of [Richard Kelly Smyth] the U.S. Department of Justice requested
Israel to obtain a sworn statement from [redacted] on same date, U.S.
Customs served a subpoena on [redacted] seeking all records of
business dealings...On this same date [Smyth] disappeared and a few
days later he failed to appear for a motion hearing. As a result his
bail was revoked and a warrant was issued for his arrest. He is still
a fugitive." Details on how an Air Force Scientific Advisory Board
member steered contracts to MILCO. SAB members that invested in and
joined MILCO's board of directors. SAB member that worked as an
atomic bomb designer at Lawrence Livermore and Los Alamos during the
Manhattan Project. "Large volume of the Israeli business at MILCO and
whether some of the equipment being sold was sensitive and related to
nuclear weapons field."
07/15/1992
Section 1
Record of a phone call between a supervisory special agent in Los
Angeles and a special agent in Portland classified as "secret." The
special agent notifies LA of impending news media coverage of "an
extremely successful movie producer in Hollywood" [Arnon Milchan]
noting his ties to "Oliver Stone, Sidney Pollack, Barbara Streisand,
Tom Cruise, Richar Dreyfuss and Robert DeNiro. The subject's likely
location and wealth "close to $1 billion" and close ties to "Labor
Party officials in Israel" is noted. Milchan's arms dealing through
MILCO and ties to another American are explored in the heavily
redacted file.

[HHW]

On 16 ago, 16:56, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On Aug 14, 9:56 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On 14 ago, 11:38, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > > Oh, and while you're at it could you please exlain this:
>
> > > "LONDON — After a brief spurt of optimism, impetus toward resolving
> > > the nuclear dispute with Iran slowed further on Friday as senior
> > > inspectors from the United Nations nuclear watchdog said they had made
> > > “no progress” toward gaining access to restricted sites they suspect
> > > of being used to test potentialtriggersfor nuclear warheads."
>
> > Israel stole nucleartriggersfrom the United States, probably through
> > the agency of Zionist Americans.

And Israel also stole the the enriched radioactive nuclear material
with which to complement the triggers.

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US-Israel Nuclear Front’s Accountability Drives Fall Apart
Truth could still yield reconciliation

by Grant Smith, August 11, 2012
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Since late 2010 almost 70 plaintiffs have sued Atlantic Richfield
Corporation and Babcock &Wilcox Power Generation Group, Inc. in a
round of Pennsylvania U.S. District Court suits seeking hundreds of
millions in damages [pdf]. The civil claims center on radiation
exposure-related cancers that plaintiffs allege were caused by the
Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC). NUMEC was a
severely undercapitalized nuclear fuel processing plant that launched
operations in an old steel mill in the heart of Apollo, PA in the late
1950s. In the early 1960s NUMEC opened a plutonium facility and toxic
waste dump in nearby Parks Township and later operated a secretive US
government-owned Boron-10 facility in Niagara, NY. NUMEC’s primary
customer was the U.S. government. Founder Zalman Shapiro leveraged
his close ties to Admiral Hyman Rickover, the head of the U.S. Navy
nuclear propulsion program, to win lucrative Cold War fuel contracts
for nuclear-powered surface ships and submarines.

The plaintiffs filed their first expert report [pdf] substantiating
NUMEC’s pollution record in court October of 2011. In the filing
Joseph Ring, a Harvard University radiation safety expert, reviewed
corporate and regulatory documents claiming NUMEC’s "operational,
health, and safety practices were well below industry standards…"
Ring noted the Nuclear Energy Liability Insurance Association’s 1966
memo calling NUMEC "one of the hottest risks on our books." The Atomic
Energy Commission, predecessor to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission —
noted Ring — once opened a meeting stating "NUMEC has been the worst
offender [of] AEC regulations over the years." Ring filed documents
that the inadequacy of NUMECs facilities in Apollo and Parks, PA led
to NUMEC’s loss of "30 kilograms" of weapons-grade uranium — damning
evidence of environmental negligence.

During the mid-1960s, NUMEC was investigated over its excessive losses
of government-owned bomb-grade U-235 supplied for processing into Navy
fuel. After fining NUMEC for the cost of the missing materials, the
embarrassed Atomic Energy Commission conditioned Atlantic Richfield’s
1967 bid for a lucrative cost-plus five-year contract to run the AEC’s
sprawling Hanford facility on its acquisition of the now bankrupt
NUMEC. Shapiro and the other key NUMEC shareholders made sure that
ARCO also assumed all of NUMECs past liabilities, even as they
pocketed $8 million in ARCO shares. ARCO quickly spun off NUMEC to
Babcock & Wilcox (now B&W Technologies) at a substantial loss as it
successfully renewed its Hanford contracts for another five years.

On January 19, 2012 the two corporate defendants fired back. They
claimed it was court precedent that each individual would have to
provide "plaintiff-specific" evidence of radiation exposure. The
attorneys representing Atlantic Richfield (now owned by BP) and B&W
claimed that through discovery they learned most of the plaintiffs in
the suit had been assembled by community environmental activist Patty
Ameno. Ameno identified plaintiffs through comment cards at public
meetings on the basis of each cancer patient’s proximity to NUMEC
facilities. The court — claimed defendants — would not be able to
distinguish between environmental and "lifestyle" related afflictions
since plaintiffs claimed "over forty types" of cancers. This required
"case management" exposure records for each plaintiff, argued the
defendants. After the judge accepted the defendant’s "case
management" argument, a dozen plaintiffs quickly dropped out.

In a closely related development, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
continues its attempt to deal with NUMEC’s toxic waste dump in Parks
Township by soliciting broader input and information about what really
happened at NUMEC. USACE was forced to halt material removal in
October of 2011 after a contractor encountered unexpected materials
and dangers at the site, now patrolled by automatic weapons-toting
government agents. On June 26, 2012 USACE hosted a public meeting
[pdf] to collect and document the concerns [pdf] of local residents
affected by the toxic cleanup — which could cost up to half a billion
dollars if it is allowed to proceed. On June 21, 2012 USACE
representatives attended a status meeting in the Eisenhower Executive
Office Building in Washington. Representatives from the CIA, FBI,
National Security Council, NSA, Justice Department and EPA were also
in attendance. Although no details of the secret discussions have yet
been publicly revealed, the agencies involved signal that the nagging
decades-old question of what really happened at NUMEC is once again a
top-level concern in Washington.

Neither the USACE nor civil suit plaintiffs have yet to publicly ask
the four basic questions that might allow them to understand the NUMEC
crisis. Why was NUMEC — a flyspeck among industry giants — even
created? Why was NUMEC located in the heart of a quaint borough in
such tragically inadequate facilities? Who brought it into being? If
environmental and worker safety were of no concern to NUMEC’s
operators (picked up on wiretaps discussing illegal storage leading to
spills) what was its core hidden purpose?

David Lowenthal, a smuggler and fighter in Israel’s war of
Independence with close ties to Israeli intelligence, was key to
organizing NUMEC’s venture capital. Zionist Organization of America
Chapter President Zalman Shapiro frequently misled US regulators and
regulators about his own dealings with Israeli intelligence operatives
in the U.S. and their roles in Israel’s secret nuclear weapons
program. An impartial review of the growing online documentary
archive reveals NUMEC was created and operated as yet another in a
line of smuggling fronts in the mold of such predecessors as Materials
for Palestine, Service Airways, and Martech — only NUMEC was designed
to illegally obtain access to weapons-grade material rather than
conventional arms. Like successor U.S. nuclear technology smuggler
Telegy Inc [pdf] NUMEC was wholly bankrupt and quickly discarded by
its founders after it had served its primary purpose.

Because plaintiffs never addressed NUMEC’s clandestine history, they
stood little chance of correctly targeting their civil suits. This is
regrettable, since during the time of uranium theft and before it was
acquired, NUMEC did severely pollute the environs of Apollo and
Parks. Plaintiff health suit leader Ameno claims "Patty has been able
to establish to a much higher degree and with documented evidence,
that the alleged diversion of nuclear material from NUMEC to Israel
never happened…The loss of nuclear material continued at NUMEC under
the new ownerships of ARCO and Babcock & Wilcox, long after the former
founder and president of NUMEC, Dr. Zalman Shapiro left the company.
An NRC Task Force Report dated April 25, 1977, on Material Unaccounted
For confirms this." Unfortunately for Ameno and her followers, a
thorough 2001 Department of Energy audit determined that most of
NUMEC’s weapons-grade uranium losses occurred while Shapiro was still
at the helm of NUMEC, and only returned to industry norms after he was
forced out of the company. An authoritative Bulletin of Atomic Science
article confirms the DOE findings.

Incidents of fires, materials releases, employee radiation exposures,
visits of Israeli nuclear scientists and undercover spies at the
invitation of Zalman Shapiro during his time at NUMEC (1956-1970) are
all now well-documented. Even more damning information may be on its
way. On July 17, the Interagency Security Classification Appeals
Panel (ISCAP) finally agreed to review top-secret NUMEC documents from
the LBJ administration for public release. The top-secret documents
purportedly deal with the CIA’s initial urgent warnings to the
President Johnson that Israel was diverting vast quantities of weapons-
grade nuclear material from NUMEC, as well as the president and NSC’s
strategy for dealing with the crisis. While the CIA has denied all
previous Freedom of Information Act and Mandatory Declassification
Review requests for NUMEC-related documents, the ISCAP has the
authority to overrule, as it has done in the majority of release
cases. A successful document release could allow Parks and Apollo
residents to finally seek hefty court-ordered damages from the true
perpetrators (or their estates) who have long been shielded from the
consequences of their lucrative crimes at NUMEC — Zalman Shapiro,
NUMEC’s board members and the Israeli government.

While the defendants could easily argue in court that NUMEC’s
liability policies (PDF) did not cover long-term fallout from the
premeditated theft of nuclear material occurring before NUMEC changed
ownership, they have refrained from doing so. A conflict of interest
may be the reason. Co-defendant ARCO is currently represented by
Arnold & Porter LLP. The mega-firm is also the longest-serving
registered foreign agent of the Israeli government in the United
States. In 2010, even as it represented ARCO, Arnold & Porter signed
a $10,000 per month retainer with the Israeli government for legal and
advisory services and "special projects." Arnold & Porter lawyers have
also represented Zalman Shapiro since the early 1970s, including his
2009 bid to force the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to issue a blanket
exoneration of Shapiro for nuclear diversion.

If information regarding NUMEC’s history as a criminal enterprise is
not declassified, NUMEC’s indirect victim pool will likely expand.
While some of those directly harmed will at least obtain health
benefits, it will be from the same source of funding as the
problematic USACE mega-cleanup — unwitting U.S. taxpayers who have
been kept in the dark about NUMEC for half a century.

Read more by Grant Smith
Netanyahu Worked Inside Nuclear Smuggling Ring – July 3rd, 2012
Why Obama Will Free Jonathan Pollard – June 8th, 2012
US Charity Secretly Funds Israeli Nukes – May 17th, 2012
Israel’s Nuclear Triggers – March 21st, 2012
The Mossad Has Long Given Marching Orders to AIPAC – February 27th,
2012

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US-Israel Nuclear Front’s Accountability Drives Fall Apart
Truth could still yield reconciliation

by Grant Smith, August 11, 2012
Print This | Share This
Since late 2010 almost 70 plaintiffs have sued Atlantic Richfield
Corporation and Babcock &Wilcox Power Generation Group, Inc. in a
round of Pennsylvania U.S. District Court suits seeking hundreds of
millions in damages [pdf]. The civil claims center on radiation
exposure-related cancers that plaintiffs allege were caused by the
Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC). NUMEC was a
severely undercapitalized nuclear fuel processing plant that launched
operations in an old steel mill in the heart of Apollo, PA in the late
1950s. In the early 1960s NUMEC opened a plutonium facility and toxic
waste dump in nearby Parks Township and later operated a secretive US
government-owned Boron-10 facility in Niagara, NY. NUMEC’s primary
customer was the U.S. government. Founder Zalman Shapiro leveraged
his close ties to Admiral Hyman Rickover, the head of the U.S. Navy
nuclear propulsion program, to win lucrative Cold War fuel contracts
for nuclear-powered surface ships and submarines.

The plaintiffs filed their first expert report [pdf] substantiating
NUMEC’s pollution record in court October of 2011. In the filing
Joseph Ring, a Harvard University radiation safety expert, reviewed
corporate and regulatory documents claiming NUMEC’s "operational,
health, and safety practices were well below industry standards…"
Ring noted the Nuclear Energy Liability Insurance Association’s 1966
memo calling NUMEC "one of the hottest risks on our books." The Atomic
Energy Commission, predecessor to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission —
noted Ring — once opened a meeting stating "NUMEC has been the worst
offender [of] AEC regulations over the years." Ring filed documents
that the inadequacy of NUMECs facilities in Apollo and Parks, PA led
to NUMEC’s loss of "30 kilograms" of weapons-grade uranium — damning
evidence of environmental negligence.

During the mid-1960s, NUMEC was investigated over its excessive losses
of government-owned bomb-grade U-235 supplied for processing into Navy
fuel. After fining NUMEC for the cost of the missing materials, the
embarrassed Atomic Energy Commission conditioned Atlantic Richfield’s
1967 bid for a lucrative cost-plus five-year contract to run the AEC’s
sprawling Hanford facility on its acquisition of the now bankrupt
NUMEC. Shapiro and the other key NUMEC shareholders made sure that
ARCO also assumed all of NUMECs past liabilities, even as they
pocketed $8 million in ARCO shares. ARCO quickly spun off NUMEC to
Babcock & Wilcox (now B&W Technologies) at a substantial loss as it
successfully renewed its Hanford contracts for another five years.

On January 19, 2012 the two corporate defendants fired back. They
claimed it was court precedent that each individual would have to
provide "plaintiff-specific" evidence of radiation exposure. The
attorneys representing Atlantic Richfield (now owned by BP) and B&W
claimed that through discovery they learned most of the plaintiffs in
the suit had been assembled by community environmental activist Patty
Ameno. Ameno identified plaintiffs through comment cards at public
meetings on the basis of each cancer patient’s proximity to NUMEC
facilities. The court — claimed defendants — would not be able to
distinguish between environmental and "lifestyle" related afflictions
since plaintiffs claimed "over forty types" of cancers. This required
"case management" exposure records for each plaintiff, argued the
defendants. After the judge accepted the defendant’s "case
management" argument, a dozen plaintiffs quickly dropped out.

In a closely related development, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
continues its attempt to deal with NUMEC’s toxic waste dump in Parks
Township by soliciting broader input and information about what really
happened at NUMEC. USACE was forced to halt material removal in
October of 2011 after a contractor encountered unexpected materials
and dangers at the site, now patrolled by automatic weapons-toting
government agents. On June 26, 2012 USACE hosted a public meeting
[pdf] to collect and document the concerns [pdf] of local residents
affected by the toxic cleanup — which could cost up to half a billion
dollars if it is allowed to proceed. On June 21, 2012 USACE
representatives attended a status meeting in the Eisenhower Executive
Office Building in Washington. Representatives from the CIA, FBI,
National Security Council, NSA, Justice Department and EPA were also
in attendance. Although no details of the secret discussions have yet
been publicly revealed, the agencies involved signal that the nagging
decades-old question of what really happened at NUMEC is once again a
top-level concern in Washington.

Neither the USACE nor civil suit plaintiffs have yet to publicly ask
the four basic questions that might allow them to understand the NUMEC
crisis. Why was NUMEC — a flyspeck among industry giants — even
created? Why was NUMEC located in the heart of a quaint borough in
such tragically inadequate facilities? Who brought it into being? If
environmental and worker safety were of no concern to NUMEC’s
operators (picked up on wiretaps discussing illegal storage leading to
spills) what was its core hidden purpose?

David Lowenthal, a smuggler and fighter in Israel’s war of
Independence with close ties to Israeli intelligence, was key to
organizing NUMEC’s venture capital. Zionist Organization of America
Chapter President Zalman Shapiro frequently misled US regulators and
regulators about his own dealings with Israeli intelligence operatives
in the U.S. and their roles in Israel’s secret nuclear weapons
program. An impartial review of the growing online documentary
archive reveals NUMEC was created and operated as yet another in a
line of smuggling fronts in the mold of such predecessors as Materials
for Palestine, Service Airways, and Martech — only NUMEC was designed
to illegally obtain access to weapons-grade material rather than
conventional arms. Like successor U.S. nuclear technology smuggler
Telegy Inc [pdf] NUMEC was wholly bankrupt and quickly discarded by
its founders after it had served its primary purpose.

Because plaintiffs never addressed NUMEC’s clandestine history, they
stood little chance of correctly targeting their civil suits. This is
regrettable, since during the time of uranium theft and before it was
acquired, NUMEC did severely pollute the environs of Apollo and
Parks. Plaintiff health suit leader Ameno claims "Patty has been able
to establish to a much higher degree and with documented evidence,
that the alleged diversion of nuclear material from NUMEC to Israel
never happened…The loss of nuclear material continued at NUMEC under
the new ownerships of ARCO and Babcock & Wilcox, long after the former
founder and president of NUMEC, Dr. Zalman Shapiro left the company.
An NRC Task Force Report dated April 25, 1977, on Material Unaccounted
For confirms this." Unfortunately for Ameno and her followers, a
thorough 2001 Department of Energy audit determined that most of
NUMEC’s weapons-grade uranium losses occurred while Shapiro was still
at the helm of NUMEC, and only returned to industry norms after he was
forced out of the company. An authoritative Bulletin of Atomic Science
article confirms the DOE findings.

Incidents of fires, materials releases, employee radiation exposures,
visits of Israeli nuclear scientists and undercover spies at the
invitation of Zalman Shapiro during his time at NUMEC (1956-1970) are
all now well-documented. Even more damning information may be on its
way. On July 17, the Interagency Security Classification Appeals
Panel (ISCAP) finally agreed to review top-secret NUMEC documents from
the LBJ administration for public release. The top-secret documents
purportedly deal with the CIA’s initial urgent warnings to the
President Johnson that Israel was diverting vast quantities of weapons-
grade nuclear material from NUMEC, as well as the president and NSC’s
strategy for dealing with the crisis. While the CIA has denied all
previous Freedom of Information Act and Mandatory Declassification
Review requests for NUMEC-related documents, the ISCAP has the
authority to overrule, as it has done in the majority of release
cases. A successful document release could allow Parks and Apollo
residents to finally seek hefty court-ordered damages from the true
perpetrators (or their estates) who have long been shielded from the
consequences of their lucrative crimes at NUMEC — Zalman Shapiro,
NUMEC’s board members and the Israeli government.

While the defendants could easily argue in court that NUMEC’s
liability policies (PDF) did not cover long-term fallout from the
premeditated theft of nuclear material occurring before NUMEC changed
ownership, they have refrained from doing so. A conflict of interest
may be the reason. Co-defendant ARCO is currently represented by
Arnold & Porter LLP. The mega-firm is also the longest-serving
registered foreign agent of the Israeli government in the United
States. In 2010, even as it represented ARCO, Arnold & Porter signed
a $10,000 per month retainer with the Israeli government for legal and
advisory services and "special projects." Arnold & Porter lawyers have
also represented Zalman Shapiro since the early 1970s, including his
2009 bid to force the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to issue a blanket
exoneration of Shapiro for nuclear diversion.

If information regarding NUMEC’s history as a criminal enterprise is
not declassified, NUMEC’s indirect victim pool will likely expand.
While some of those directly harmed will at least obtain health
benefits, it will be from the same source of funding as the
problematic USACE mega-cleanup — unwitting U.S. taxpayers who have
been kept in the dark about NUMEC for half a century.

Read more by Grant Smith
Netanyahu Worked Inside Nuclear Smuggling Ring – July 3rd, 2012
Why Obama Will Free Jonathan Pollard – June 8th, 2012
US Charity Secretly Funds Israeli Nukes – May 17th, 2012
Israel’s Nuclear Triggers – March 21st, 2012
The Mossad Has Long Given Marching Orders to AIPAC – February 27th,
2012

[HHW]

On 16 ago, 16:56, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

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The Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) and the
diversion of US government weapons-grade uranium to Israel

On September 10, 1968 NUMEC receives a key coordinator of Israel's
clandestine nuclear weapons program
(Avraham Hermoni) and three undercover Israeli intelligence
operatives. NUMEC tells the Atomic Energy
Commission the Israeli visitors are energy specialists.



Documents

Since the mid-1960s law enforcement and regulatory agencies suspected
a small nuclear processing facility in Pennsylvania had illegally
diverted U.S. government-owned weapons-grade nuclear material into
Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons program. The Nuclear Materials
and Equipment Corporation received start-up capital organized by a
mysterious former smuggler with deep and ongoing ties to Israeli
intelligence. FBI investigations revealed NUMEC President Zalman
Mordecai Shapiro also had repeated unexplained interactions with
Israeli intelligence and organized a joint venture with the primary
front organization of the Israeli nuclear weapons program. According
to a 2001 US Department of Energy report, NUMEC still holds the record
for the highest losses of bomb-grade material of any plant in the
United States.

In April 1976 Attorney General Edward Levi ordered the FBI to reopen
an investigation into Dr. Zalman Shapiro and the Nuclear Materials and
Equipment Corporation (NUMEC). The newly reopened investigation looked
beyond violations of the Atomic Energy Act. The FBI's new mandate was
to also uncover "any attempt by anyone in the executive branch to
prevent or impede an investigation into this alleged diversion, or to
withhold any information regarding this alleged diversion from any
investigative body." The FBI code-named its investigation "DIVERT."
The FBI interrogated high-level officials from U.S. government
agencies and NUMEC employee eyewitnesses to nuclear diversion.
Inexplicably, on January 23, 1981 the FBI placed the NUMEC
investigation into "closed status" until further instructions from the
Department of Justice. Field offices were ordered not to destroy
files without instructions from FBI headquarters. The NUMEC
investigation portfolio, which had passed from LBJ, to Nixon, and on
to Ford was closed at the end of the Carter administration.

Document/PDF Contents
Articles of Incorporation
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
490 KB, 8 pages NUMEC is incorporated on December 31, 1956 in the
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania by Zalman M. Shapiro (Nautilus nuclear
submarine program chemist, Zionist Organization of America
Pennsylvania chapter president), Leonard Pepkowtiz (Manhattan Project
weapons physicist) and Frederick Foerscher.

Articles of Merger
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
219 KB, 25 pages Apollo Industries holding company created on March 1,
1958 out of merger of three defunct companies: Apollo Steel Company,
American Nut and Bolt Fastener Company and San Toy Mining Company.
Apollo Industry directors included Ivan J. Novick (future ZOA
president) ,David Lowenthal (refugee smuggler who also fought in
Israel), Zalman Shapiro (NUMEC president, ZOA chapter president), and
Elliott W. Finkel (former DOJ attorney dismissed over conflicts of
interest).

NUMEC_1966

Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation

6.1 MB, 62 pages Company calendar listing NUMEC's services.

071967_Atantic_Richfield
Hanford
135 KB, 2 pages The Atomic Energy Commission gives Atlantic Richfield
at $30 million/year contract to manage Hanford facilities if it buys
and takes over NUMEC. Pages extracted from cost-plus operating
contract.

1091168-000-117-2564 Section 1
FBI
2.2 MB, 45 pages
Section 1 - Zalman Shapiro investigated by the FBI for potential
Foreign Agents Registration Act after 61 kilograms of U-235 are
discovered missing from the Nuclear Materials and Equipment
Corporation. FBI establishes surveillance of Shapiro in 1968. Nature
of David Lowenthal's relationship and financing of NUMEC discovered.
David Lowenthal observed in photos "shaking hands with Ben-Gurion and
Moshe Dayan" and "reportedly fought for Israel as a freedom fighter in
1956 and travels to Israel on the average of approximately once per
month." NUMEC's founders, security clearances, shipment of 320 grams
of plutonium to Israel in 1963, censored files.


1091168-000-117-2564 Section 2
FBI
728 KB, 11 pages On September 6, 1968, the US attorney general
requests investigation "whether the subject is acting as an agent of
the Israeli Government." September 6, 1968 NUMEC request for visit of
Avraham Hermoni (Israeli nuclear weapons chief), Ephraim Biegun,
Avraham Bendor, and Rafael Eitan (founder of LAKAM economic espionage
network). The intelligence operatives enter under the cover of being
"thermo electric generator specialists."

1091168-000-117-2564 Section 3
FBI
35 KB, 1 page Censored content.

1091168-000-117-2564 Section 1 (830179)
FBI
3.2 MB, 56 pages FBI initiates physical and wiretap surveillance of
Zalman Shapiro on November 5, 1968. "We are investigating Shapiro to
determine extent of his relations with Israeli government. As head of
Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation, Apollo, Pennsylvania,
which processes uranium-235 for nuclear reactors, Shapiro has access
to atomic energy material which could be most helpful to the
Israelis...subject has been in contact on two occasions with Dr.
Avraham Hermoni, Scientific Counselor, Israeli Embassy, Washington
D.C., and Israeli intelligence agent. Source has also disclosed
contacts with a senior official of Israeli military intelligence,
individuals associated with Israeli Atomic Energy Commission and
member of Israeli Internal Security Service...he is considering
settling permanently in that country and, if necessary, would fight
for Israel..." "Investigation has further disclosed that subject and
others involved in instant case, in addition to holding top positions
in their respective fields, are very active and highly regarded in
various Jewish organizations which exert some influence in this
country...." "It is considered opinion of person familiar with this
case that an interview with subject and/or others intimately involved
in this case would develop very little pertinent information..."
"Attorney General under date of 3/28/1969 approved our request for
continuation of Electronic Surveillance for a period of three months
effective 4/1/1969. Wiretap summaries. Atomic Energy Commission
interview of Shapiro on August 14, 1969. Discussion of 1968 Hermoni
meeting in Shapiro's home, clandestine Shapiro meeting with Israeli
intelligence agent in Pittsburgh airport. "Only when we confronted
with the fact that we were aware of the meeting did he admit to such a
meeting had taken place and his explanation that the purpose of the
meeting had been to discuss payment of a bill and other commercial
matters did not appear to be completely candid..."

Wiretap
FBI
362 KB, 11 pages May 5, 1969 FBI wiretap of a radioactive spill at
NUMEC caused by improper storage.
"9:18 p.m.: CENSORED reported on a spillage at the plant. They have
the area roped off and it will take some pick and shovel work to dig
up the contaminated areas. CENSORED said they are getting 100,000
counts. CENSORED said, “Oh, God.” They are dampening it down to avoid
dust and will cover it if it looks like it may rain. CENSORED asked if
there is anything on AAI? …

9:20 p.m.: CENSORED said that he heard that American Instrument
Company [is] up for sale. He said he heard this from the former sales
manager."

A phone call placed just two minutes after the first confirms that:

"it’s not only a bad spill but “actually they are operating outside
compliance.” They had the drums all together. They have about 200
drums and estimate that about six a day will corrode through. The
trouble lay with a fluoride which was put in to help the decay, and
this was not checked. CENSORED said they are also about $230,000 over
on their construction costs for the scrap plant. Z [Zalman Shapiro]
said if they could get other people, there would be a lot of firing."


1091168-000-117-2564 Section 4
FBI
6.3 MB, 95 pages January 20, 1969 FBI report on Shapiro meetings with
Hermoni to coordinate a plutonium purchase, Shapiro requests to AEC
about availability of plutonium (does not mention Israel as
destination). AEC Commission Glenn Seaborg approves sales "Criticality
is the only concern in terms of the amount of plutonium 238 that can
be used in any particular device." Details of NUMEC trying to obtain
US government equipment for free by falsely claiming it is
contaminated. Zalman Shapiro discusses settling in Israel. NUMEC
discovered to be an agent of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, and have
a joint venture with the Israeli Atomic Energy Commission, the cover
organization for Israel's nuclear weapons program. Shapiro concerned
US will not sell fighter jets to Israel. FBI source speculates that
U-235 could have been shipped to Israel within food irradiator units
with "no questions asked." NUMEC catalog of irradiators. In February
of 1969, FBI reviews NUMEC's classified contracts with the US
government. NUMEC attempts to hire AEC or "other government agencies"
employees. Secret Service warned on February 18, 1969 that Shapiro
"under active investigation as member of other group or organization
inimical to the U.S." February 16, 1968 report of Shapiro hosting a
meeting in his home "with Avraham Hermoni, Scientific Counselor,
Israeli Embassy, and ten other men who have special skills and
knowledge in scientific and technical fields on 11/4/1968. This
meeting was held to assist Hermoni in gathering necessary data in
these areas for Israel." Shapiro discusses obtaining plutonium 238
with Colonel Avraham Eylonie. Shapiro meets with Israeli defense
minister at the Israeli embassy on November 26, 1969 before leaving
for Israel between November 28 and December 12, 1968. Profiles of
NUMEC executives. Summary of 1965 Foreign Agents Registration Act
investigation of Shapiro. June 21, 1966 FBI interview of Shapiro.
NUMEC employee interviews

1091168-000-117-2564 Section 5
FBI
3.1 MB, 39 pages Zalman Shapiro listed in "Security Index" because he
"continues to solicit information of Israeli scientific [censored]
personnel." NUMEC selected in 1964 to run "free world's only full-
scale production boron isotope facility" in Niagara [Lewiston], NY.
Shapiro assisting in a secret converter "British Project." Supermarket
advertiser Frank Noll writes "Dr. X" story about Shapiro working in
Israeli nuclear weapons program.

07191969
Nixon Presidential Library
973 KB, 18 pages July, 1969 Henry Kissinger strategy document about
what stance to take about the Israeli nuclear weapons program. "There
is circumstantial evidence that some fissionable material available
for Israel's weapons development was illegally obtained from the
United States by about 1965." Justification for "ambiguity" stance.

1091168-000-117-2564 Section 6
FBI
1 MB, 26 pages Illegible files. September 3, 1969 FBI director memo
to AEC and DOJ about August 1969 AEC interview of Zalman Shapiro. "The
basis of the security risk posed by the subject lies in his continuing
access to sensitive information and material and it is believed that
the effective way to counter this risk would be to preclude Shapiro
from such access, specifically by terminating his classified contracts
and lifting his security clearances. AEC security statement that
Shapiro has "knowingly established an association with individuals
reliably reported as suspected of espionage." "It was reported in
1961 that Dr. Abraham Hermoni was a member of the Israeli Intelligence
Service; that in 1963 Dr. Hermoni was known to be engaged in the
establishment of a technical intelligence network in the United
States, and that prior to his assignment as Scientific Counselor of
the Israeli Embassy, Washington, D.C. he was intimately connected with
Israeli efforts to develop nuclear weapons in his capacity as
Technical Director, Armament Development Authority, Ministry of
Defense." On November 4, 1970, the FBI notes that Shapiro has taken a
job at Kawecki Berylco Industries, and "holds a 'Secret' clearance
which was transferred to that facility by the Defense Supply
Agency..." Note "Shapiro has been alleged to have furnished
information to Israeli Government in the past regarding nuclear
developments via Israeli Embassy officials interested in this field
for the benefit of Israeli defense efforts. He is carried on the
Security Index by Pittsburgh due to his activities. He has recently
acquired a new and sensitive position with a nuclear development
company in Pennsylvania...classified 'Secret' since it sets forth
information from [censored] Army communications similarly classified."

09031969
Gerald Ford Presidential Library
332 KB, 6 pages September 3, 1969 FBI Director memo to CIA Director.
"The basis of the security risk posed by the subject lies in his
continuing access to sensitive information and material and it is
believed the only effective way to counter this risk would be to
preclude Shapiro from access, specifically by terminating his
classified contracts and lifting his security clearances..."

1091168-000-117-2564 Section 7
FBI
5.9 MB, 136 pages FBI interviews Kanwecki Berylco Industry executive
on March 4, 1971 about Zalman Shapiro's attempts to obtain classified
information without proper security clearance. Joint Committee on
Atomic Energy attempts to obtain FBI files "concerning Shapiro or any
of his associates or acquaintances who could be involved in
intelligence or diversion of nuclear material activities on behalf of
a foreign government." in May of 1976. FBI offers a summary, but
states that attorney general would have to approve file release.
April 22, 1976 summary of FBI investigations of NUMEC for special
nuclear materials loss. On May 14, 1976 US attorney general orders an
FBI investigation "be conducted to determine whether or not a
diversion of nuclear material had occurred at the Nuclear Materials
and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC), Apollo, Pennsylvania, partially
owned and operated by the subject, and if this diversion had been to
the benefit of the Government of Israel" and "Obstruction of
Justice." Attorney General provides list of Atomic Energy Commission
executives to interview. Fully and partially censored FBI interview
records. 1976 investigation captioned "DIVERT." List of NUMEC
executives to interview.

12071977
Jimmy Carter Presidential Library
146 KB, 2 pages December 7, 1977 Memo to Zbigniew Brezinski about
Congressional investigation of NUMEC. "Dingell's pursuit of the
question of whether the CIA withheld information from other agencies
strikes me as potentially dangerous..."

1091168-000-117-2564 Section 8
FBI
625 KB, 8 pages June 27, 1977 FBI interview of Zalman Shapiro.
"..Shapiro voiced certain reservations relative to its purpose and was
concerned that display of the form implied certain unlawful acts on
his part." "Shapiro emphasized that the matter of significant
diversion of special nuclear material at NUMEC was out of the question
and added that Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) officials had, in fact,
assured him personally that NUMEC MUF compared favorably with MUF
experienced throughout the rest of the industry."

021978
Inquiry into the Testimony of the Executive Director for Operations
Nuclear Regulatory Commission

Page accidently released to NRDC
3.5 MB, 3 pages Classified summary of CIA Directorate of Operations
briefing to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission about NUMEC diversion
accidentally released to the Natural Resources Defense Council. "Mr.
Duckett raised the question of whether the U.S. had intentiona1ly
allowed material to go to Israel. He said that if any such scheme was
under consideration, he would have known about it and he never heard
so much as a rumor about this. He, therefore, does not believe there
is any substance to this allegation. In support of this view, he
related that CIA had drafted a National Intelligence Estimate on
Israel's nuclear capability in 1968. It it was the conclusion that
the Israelis had nuclear weapons. He showed it to Mr. Helms. Helms
told him not to publish it and he would take it up with President
Johnson. Mr. Helms later related that he had spoken to the president,
that the President was concerned, and that he had said, 'Don't tell
anyone else, even Dean Rusk and Robert McNamara."

06211978
Glenn T. Seaborg Papers
Library of Congress
482 KB, 1 page Glenn Seaborg office diary. On June 21, 1978
Department of Energy investigators Bill Knauf and Jim Anderson visit
former Atomic Energy Commissioner Glenn T. Seaborg. They tell Seaborg
that traces of Portsmouth U-235 (the government-owned material
primarily delivered to NUMEC for processing into fuel) had been picked
up in Israel. On March 3, 1979 Seaborg refuses to be interviewed by
FBI investigators.

Archive A 1978 General Accounting Office study concludes that the US
government never credibly investigated the NUMEC diversion and
documents FBI and CIA refusal to cooperate..

12121978
Morris K. Udall Papers at the University of Arizona
4.2 MB, 119 pages Transcript of December 21, 1978 Congressional
Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs interview of Zalman Shapiro.
"We know now that as far back as 1966, at least one staff member of
the Joint Committee on Atomic Energy questioned the propriety of then
AEC Chairman Seaborg having testified that he thought that " there has
not been any material diverted from peaceful to military uses." We
know also that in December 1971, William Riley, former director of AEC
security, wrote in a memorandum that Dr. Shapiro reported to Riley
that he (Dr. Shapiro) had been told by officials of the government of
Israel that an unnamed AEC Commissioner had suggested to
representatives of a foreign government that Dr. Shapiro had been
involved in diversion of materials to the Israelis..."


02281979
Jimmy Carter Presidential Library
145 KB, 3 pages Confidential letter from Deputy Attorney General
Benjamin Civiletti to President Jimmy Carter about how after the GAO
report about NUMEC the US would "establish a plan for coordinated
interagency action to detect and investigate the theft or diversion of
nuclear material in the future."

11271979
Jimmy Carter Presidential Library
107 KB, 2 pages Staffer Jerry Oplinger asks National Security Advisor
Zbigniew Brezinski for permission to show Senator John Glenn a top
secret memorandum about "missing material from the NUMEC plant in
Apollo, PA." Brezinski formally disapproves, telling Oplinger to
"Brief him [Senator Glenn] orally."

1091168-000-117-2564 Section 10
FBI
3.9 MB, 54 pages March 28, 1980 interviews with NRC officials reveal a
former NUMEC employee eyewitness to diversion. FBI NUMEC truck driver
interview. FBI NUMEC shipping clerk interview. March 24, 1980 FBI
Ammonator interview. "he then noticed the NUMEC owner, Dr. Zalman
Shapiro, pacing around the loading dock while [censored] (shipping and
receiving foreman) and [censored] (truck driver for NUMEC) were
loading 'stove pipes' into the steel cabinet type equipment that he
observed on the truck...the 'stove pipes' are cylindrical storage
containers used to store canisters of high enriched materials in the
vaults located at the Apollo nuclear facility...the 'stove pipes'
contained three or four canisters which were described as highly
polished aluminum with standard printed square yellow labels,
approximately three inches in diameter by six inches tall, that
normally were used to store high enriched uranium products...defined
as 95 percent uranium." January 15, 1981 former NUMEC employee
interview.

Archive Zalman Shapiro seeks exoneration from the NRC assisted by
Israel's longest registered foreign agent law firm in Washington DC
with assistance from Senator Arlen Spector. The NRC refuses to clear
Shapiro or NUMEC over the U-235 losses.
New Book

Divert!: NUMEC, Zalman Shapiro and the diversion of US weapons grade
uranium into the Israeli nuclear weapons program
Based on an exhaustive review of formerly classified government
documents-as well as previously unexplored corporate filings, office
diaries and unguarded interviews-Grant F. Smith has written a riveting
story of the 1960s diversion of US weapons-grade nuclear material from
an Israeli front company in Pennsylvania into the clandestine Israeli
atomic weapons program. The talented but highly conflicted founder of
the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC)-Dr. Zalman
Mordecai Shapiro alongside his close friend and financial backer David
Lowenthal-engaged in a ferocious clandestine drive to funnel the most
valuable military material on earth that forever tilted the balance of
power between Israel and the world. Divert! chronicles Zalman
Shapiro's journey from crafting ingenious innovations for the Nautilus
nuclear submarine in the 1950s to his costly pursuit of America's most
advanced hydrogen bomb designs in the 1970s. Tasked during secret
summits with high-level Israeli intelligence agents, guided by
Israel's top nuclear arms designers, and defended by Israel and its US
lobby, Shapiro and NUMEC drove the CIA and FBI from furious outrage to
despair. Presidents from LBJ to Jimmy Carter secretly grappled with
how to respond to Israel's brazen theft of American nuclear material
before finally deciding to bury the entire affair in classified files.
But NUMEC's toxic secrets have refused to be buried alive. Newly
declassified wiretaps have risen from the grave, detailing Shapiro's
utter contempt for worker and nuclear safety. David Lowenthal's role
as an international refugee smuggler between the US, Europe and Israel-
before organizing financing for NUMEC-is placed under new scrutiny.
This explosive story emerges even as the US Army Corps of Engineers
struggles to quietly clean NUMEC's toxic waste near Apollo,
Pennsylvania with $170 million in taxpayer funding. At a time when
America is coming under intense pressure to attack on the mere
suspicion that Iran is diverting nuclear material, Divert! stands as
the ultimate cautionary tale of how US Middle East policy is
continually undermined from within by corruption, immunity, deceit and
unwarranted secrecy. Paperback and Kindle.

[HHW]

On 16 ago, 16:56, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/default.asp

[drahcir]

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:06:09 -0700 (PDT), HHW
<coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 16 ago, 16:56, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> On Aug 14, 9:56�pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 14 ago, 11:38, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Oh, and while you're at it could you please exlain this:
>>
>> > > "LONDON � After a brief spurt of optimism, impetus toward resolving
>> > > the nuclear dispute with Iran slowed further on Friday as senior
>> > > inspectors from the United Nations nuclear watchdog said they had made
>> > > �no progress� toward gaining access to restricted sites they suspect
>> > > of being used to test potentialtriggersfor nuclear warheads."
>>
>> > Israel stole nucleartriggersfrom the United States, probably through
>> > the agency of Zionist Americans.
>>
>> Uncited, therefore worthless. And of course, utterly irrelevant.
>
>---------------------------------------
>
>FBI investigates MILCO nuclear trigger smuggling to Israel

Apparently H doesn't know what a cite is. it's not a bunch of words.
Anyone can post a bunch of words. It must contain the source of those
words, usually in the form of a URL. Yours does not, therefore it is
invalid. that, of course, is beside the point that this thread was
about allies spying on allies. You want to inundate with uncited
bullshit because you know that you have no answer to the facts I
presented re spying of the US on Israel and of France on the US.

the reason you did not cite the mounds of verbiage below is, in all
likelihood, because the source is one of your bullshit sites,
political equivalents of the National Enquirer. Had you had a source
like cnn or the new york times or washington post, you would not have
"forgotten" to include the link.

Include the link next time and allow readers to judge whether the
source is trustworthy. Not including it is nothing but a lie of
omission, just one variant in your vast repertoire of lies.

[drahcir]

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:15:36 -0700 (PDT), HHW
<coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 16 ago, 16:56, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> On Aug 14, 9:56�pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 14 ago, 11:38, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Oh, and while you're at it could you please exlain this:
>>
>> > > "LONDON � After a brief spurt of optimism, impetus toward resolving
>> > > the nuclear dispute with Iran slowed further on Friday as senior
>> > > inspectors from the United Nations nuclear watchdog said they had made
>> > > �no progress� toward gaining access to restricted sites they suspect
>> > > of being used to test potentialtriggersfor nuclear warheads."
>>
>> > Israel stole nucleartriggersfrom the United States, probably through
>> > the agency of Zionist Americans.
>
>And Israel also stole the the enriched radioactive nuclear material
>with which to complement the triggers.
>
>=================================
>
>US-Israel Nuclear Front�s Accountability Drives Fall Apart
>Truth could still yield reconciliation

Grant Smith is a fantasist antisemite without any credibility. Unless
you can produce a reliable source, it's just bullshit that anyone with
or without a website could scribble down.

[drahcir]

no source = waste of bandwidth = worthless

[drahcir]

yes, and 9-11 was perpetrated by aliens. Yet another worthless source.
I see you have exactly nada. Wow, what a surprise.

[HHW]

Keep thinking that. I'm sure it will make you feel better.

[Count 1]

On 8/14/2012 4:20 PM, HHW wrote:
> On 13 ago, 22:57, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> So you people have nothing more to say? How about "Stealing Success
>>> Tel Aviv Style"? Not a word? Reverse engineering. Good old American
>>> style competition in the market place, eh? Real Horatio Alger stuff,
>>> biting the hand that feeds. And you will all whine about poor Jonathan
>>> Pollard.
>>
>> No one gives a shit about Alison "Jews harvest Palestinian Organs" Weir.
>> Like MacDonald she is a moron, thoughtful people dismiss morons
>> instantaneously.
>
> Everyone who bests you is a moron. She is tough, smart and honest.
> What she says hurts your Zionist ears.
>
What makes you, an anti-semite, weakling, idiotic liar, think you are in
a position to decide who is tough, smart,and honest? You run from every
thread you're in when the going gets tough, and incessantly repeat
whatever inanity you create out of your hate based fiction, even though
every one has been destroyed by counter arguments.

[HHW]

On 16 ago, 16:56, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

IRMEP is the source. Now, we all know you'll respond with candor
according to your Zionist code of ethics.

[HHW]

On 16 ago, 16:56, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/default.asp

[HHW]

> premeditated theft of nuclear material occurring before NUMEC changed ...
>
> leer más »

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/default.asp

[HHW]

On 17 ago, 08:52, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On 8/14/2012 4:20 PM, HHW wrote:> On 13 ago, 22:57, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>> So you people have nothing more to say? How about "Stealing Success
> >>> Tel Aviv Style"? Not a word? Reverse engineering. Good old American
> >>> style competition in the market place, eh? Real Horatio Alger stuff,
> >>> biting the hand that feeds. And you will all whine about poor Jonathan
> >>> Pollard.
>
> >> No one gives a shit about Alison "Jews harvest Palestinian Organs" Weir.
> >> Like MacDonald she is a moron, thoughtful people dismiss morons
> >> instantaneously.
>
> > Everyone who bests you is a moron. She is tough, smart and honest.
> > What she says hurts your Zionist ears.
>
> What makes you, an anti-semite, weakling, idiotic liar, think you are in
> a position to decide who is tough, smart,and honest?

Sure. I recommend her older stuff. She seems to have gotten pretty
radical more recently.

You run from every
> thread you're in when the going gets tough, and incessantly repeat
> whatever inanity you create out of your hate based fiction, even though
> every one has been destroyed by counter arguments.

Nothing I write fits that description. And there are very rarely
legitimate arguments. You pretend that your sewer mouthed gushings
constitute arguments. They don't.

[HHW]

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/default.asp

[HHW]

On 16 ago, 22:21, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:06:09 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 16 ago, 16:56, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> On Aug 14, 9:56 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On 14 ago, 11:38, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > Oh, and while you're at it could you please exlain this:
>
> >> > > "LONDON — After a brief spurt of optimism, impetus toward resolving
> >> > > the nuclear dispute with Iran slowed further on Friday as senior
> >> > > inspectors from the United Nations nuclear watchdog said they had made
> >> > > “no progress” toward gaining access to restricted sites they suspect
> >> > > of being used to test potentialtriggersfor nuclear warheads."
>
> >> > Israel stole nucleartriggersfrom the United States, probably through
> >> > the agency of Zionist Americans.
>
> >> Uncited, therefore worthless. And of course, utterly irrelevant.
>
> >---------------------------------------
>
> >FBI investigates MILCO nuclear trigger smuggling to Israel
>
> Apparently H doesn't know what a cite is. it's not a bunch of words.

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/default.asp

> Anyone can post a bunch of words. It must contain the source of those
> words, usually in the form of a URL. Yours does not, therefore it is
> invalid. that, of course, is beside the point that this thread was
> about allies spying on allies. You want to inundate with uncited
> bullshit because you know that you have no answer to the facts I
> presented re spying of the US on Israel and of France on the US.
>
> the reason you did not cite the mounds of verbiage below is, in all
> likelihood, because the source is one of your bullshit sites,
> political equivalents of the National Enquirer. Had you had a source
> like cnn or the new york times or washington post, you would not have
> "forgotten" to include the link.
>
> Include the link next time and allow readers to judge whether the
> source is trustworthy. Not including it is nothing but a lie of
> omission, just one variant in your vast repertoire of lies.

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/default.asp

[HHW]

[HHW]

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/default.asp

> ...
>
> leer más »

[drahcir]

<yawn>

[drahcir]

<yawn>

[drahcir]

<yawn>

[drahcir]

Anyone can make up a website and write any bullshit they want on it,
just for idiot saps like you to lap up like thirsty dogs.

[drahcir]

Good. Go to my website, HHWisanidiot.com, and it says there that
everything you post is bogus. now we each have a source. Monty Python,
anyone?

[drahcir]

<yawn>

[drahcir]

You speak from your fantasy. In the real world, just this week, you
have fled from two points I've made. First, I've demonstrated that
allies spy on each other all the time. I provided cites from sources
such as the NY Times, detailing incidents of US spying on Israel and
France spying on US. They were posted to refute your faux-indignation
about Israel spying on us. I proved that it hapens all the time
between allies. you fled.

The second point JUST THIS WEEK that you fled from, lying about having
replied in the process, was my presentation of important world leaders
and organizatons, amongst them the IAEA, who stated plainly that they
believed Iran was in te process of developing a nuclear weapon. This
refutged your idiotic claim that "intelligence" suggests that Iran is
not actively pursuing a nuke. Of course, all your stupid brain could
come up with when I pointed out that, were what you said true, why was
the world imposing harsh sanctions on Iran, was that Israel put all of
those sanctioning countries up to it. a typical, fantasy-laden idiotic
HHW reply with exactly no sense. You fled from that one as well.

Get a grip, H, you're a victim of your stupidity and your bias. That's
why you're forced to lie all the time, and that's why you're made a
fool of all the time - defeating you is like shooting fish in a
barrel.

[drahcir]

On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:58:59 -0700 (PDT), HHW
<coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Oh, one more thing. In the thread where I presented cited world
opinion about Iran's nuke program, you, you friggin senile imbecile
for some odd reason decided to start babbling about Israel having
smuggled some nuke stuff in the 80's out of the US, presenting not
even one reliable source. What your plaque-laden brain could possibly
have "thought" relevant about that to the topic, which was Iran, only
a select few can possibly know.

[HHW]

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/default.asp

[drahcir]

<yawn>

[Count 1]

On 8/17/2012 8:58 PM, HHW wrote:
> On 17 ago, 08:52, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On 8/14/2012 4:20 PM, HHW wrote:> On 13 ago, 22:57, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>> So you people have nothing more to say? How about "Stealing Success
>>>>> Tel Aviv Style"? Not a word? Reverse engineering. Good old American
>>>>> style competition in the market place, eh? Real Horatio Alger stuff,
>>>>> biting the hand that feeds. And you will all whine about poor Jonathan
>>>>> Pollard.
>>
>>>> No one gives a shit about Alison "Jews harvest Palestinian Organs" Weir.
>>>> Like MacDonald she is a moron, thoughtful people dismiss morons
>>>> instantaneously.
>>
>>> Everyone who bests you is a moron. She is tough, smart and honest.
>>> What she says hurts your Zionist ears.
>>
>> What makes you, an anti-semite, weakling, idiotic liar, think you are in
>> a position to decide who is tough, smart,and honest?
>
> Sure. I recommend her older stuff. She seems to have gotten pretty
> radical more recently.

Good to see you no longer deny being an anti-semite. I'll let your
silent 'readers' (lol) determine if in fact your allegations about deb
hold true

>
>
> You run from every
>> thread you're in when the going gets tough, and incessantly repeat
>> whatever inanity you create out of your hate based fiction, even though
>> every one has been destroyed by counter arguments.
>
> Nothing I write fits that description.

You mean "Everything I write fits that description". With me alone
you've run from every thread once I start pointing out your strident errors.

And there are very rarely
> legitimate arguments. You pretend that your sewer mouthed gushings
> constitute arguments. They don't.

You pretend they are sewer mouth gushings, but being a gentleman I
rarely ever engage in such. The list of items I'm still waiting on a
response from you is too large to repeat, so I'll leave you with two
that are fresh.... where is the name of the commander of the 'massacre'
at Tantura, and why do you think Americans who conduct banking fraud
should be identified as 'jews' and not 'americans'?

[drahcir]

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 07:43:45 -0600, Count 1 <omnipi...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

Now one of two things will happen. He will be gone, or will inundate
with paragraph after paragraph without a shred of meaning that he no
doubt spent most of a day composing.

[HHW]

On 17 ago, 22:12, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:59:41 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hmmmm, a dismissal for conflict of interest. Why didn't that happen
with Wolfowitz and Feith and Libby and all the other neoconservative
Zionists in sensitive positions? Off to the Department of Agriculture
with the whole lot of them.

>
> >> >NUMEC_1966
> >> >Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation
> >> >6.1 MB, 62 pages    Company calendar listing NUMEC's
>

> ...
>
> leer más »

You're struck dumb, Ratner. There is no way you can actually reply.

[HHW]

On 17 ago, 22:09, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> <yawn>

June 27, 2012 04:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
DIA's internal Jonathan Pollard briefing video can help organizations
detect Israeli espionage – IRmep

WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency has
just released an internal briefing video that is now available online
on both Vimeo and Youtube. The IRmep Center for Policy and Law
Enforcement obtained release under the Freedom of Information Act.

“most of the highly damaging and similarly well-documented incidents
of Israeli espionage never generate this level of investigation or due
process, especially when it is the private sector that is the victim
of Israeli covert action.”
Jonathan Pollard was sentenced to life in prison in 1987 after he was
caught selling large amounts of highly classified documents to Israel.
The 14 minute video "Jonathan Pollard: A Portrayal" produced by the
Threat Countermeasures Branch of the DIA emphasizes that "eighty
percent" of the documents obtained by Pollard were DIA files.

The video encourages American government employees to overcome
inhibitions and proactively report suspicious activities. Actors
portray "Susan" (a pseudonym for the actual DIA employee who first
reported Jonathan Pollard to the Office of Security) and Jonathan
Pollard. "Susan" heard Pollard's elaborate stories of lavish European
vacations, obsession over the Middle East and tales of elegant
restaurant excursions. When she discovered Pollard was also
transporting large amounts of classified material to his home she
notified security. A librarian also warned of Pollard's prohibited use
of a briefcase to transport large quantities of documents.

The video notes it is "natural" for American citizens to keep such
observations to themselves. "Susan" expresses that her initial worries
about reporting Pollard's possible espionage would lead to criminal
investigators "climbing" all over the offices were unfounded. The
investigation was "discreet" and "professional" involving a slow look
at records.

The video optimistically concludes that—when in doubt—suspected
espionage should be promptly reported since it is "only the Pollards
of the world" who will get hurt. "Sadly," according to IRmep Director
Grant F. Smith after reviewing the video, "most of the highly damaging
and similarly well-documented incidents of Israeli espionage never
generate this level of investigation or due process, especially when
it is the private sector that is the victim of Israeli covert action."

Material obtained under FOIA by IRmep reveals that during the same
time period Jonathan Pollard was active; American Israel Public
Affairs Committee (AIPAC) officials obtained and used stolen
classified US confidential business information passed by an Israeli
diplomat. Although industry groups such as the US Bromine Alliance
filed formal complaints and the FBI investigated, no action was ever
taken. Israeli spy-master Rafael Eitan—mentioned in the DIA video—
earlier infiltrated the NUMEC facility in Apollo, Pennsylvania at the
invitation of its owner Zalman Shapiro. Although FBI investigators
obtained eyewitness affidavits of the mass diversion of weapons-grade
uranium from the site, presumably into the Israeli nuclear weapons
program, a 1978 GAO report concluded no bona fide effort was ever made
to properly prosecute Israel's US based operatives. Victims of NUMEC
toxic pollution are currently filing hundreds of millions in health
claims as the US Army Corps of Engineers struggles to manage a toxic
cleanup that could cost taxpayers up to half a billion dollars.

In 2010 the Israeli front company Telogy was discovered illegally
shipping nuclear weapons components out of California to Israel. The
company quickly terminated operations and fled after details of the
violations were leaked to a think tank. No Telogy operatives were ever
indicted. In 2012 American scientist Stewart Nozette was sentenced to
13 years for attempted Israeli espionage. No FBI investigation into
Israeli Aerospace Industries—which had paid Nozette $225,000 during
the period of his classified information theft—was allowed to proceed.
Although Nozette admitted to passing secrets to Israel and that he
thought IAI was a Mossad front in court documents, US Attorney Ron
Machen issued a public statement that no documents had ever been
passed to Israel.

Private sector corporate security executives and government officials
may obtain a free high-resolution hardcopy of the original DIA DvD by
emailing an official mailing address to in...@irmep.org. DIA provides
defense intelligence to prevent strategic surprise and deliver a
decision advantage to stakeholders. IRmep is a Washington DC based
nonprofit organization that studies US-Middle East policy formulation.

Contacts

Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep)
Grant F. Smith, 202-342-7325
in...@irmep.org

Recent Stories

[HHW]

On 17 ago, 22:10, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:

> <yawn>

A little virtual caffeine for Ratner:


February 06, 2012 10:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time
AIPAC Director's Use of Classified Missile Data Harmed National
Security - US State Department

WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Newly released US Department of State
investigation files reveal how the American Israel Public Affairs
Committee's (AIPAC) acquisition of classified US national defense
information harmed national security. (Web documents) In 1976 the Ford
administration proposed selling improved Hawk anti-aircraft missiles
to Jordan. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee and House Foreign
Affairs Committee received a classified Department of Defense
notification of sale. AIPAC's Director Morris Amitay reviewed the
classified document after being informed "secretly by aides of Senator
Clifford P. Case, Republican of New Jersey, and Representative
Jonathan B. Bingham, Democrat of New York" according to the New York
Times.

“…specific details of Jordan's military equipment needs are
information provided us in confidence by that government. The
classification of the documents in question was, in our view,
substantively proper.”
Criminal investigation files released on January 20, 2012 confirm the
disclosure to AIPAC was "unauthorized" and included the dollar amounts
and quantitative configurations of the missile system. The State
Department found that "…specific details of Jordan's military
equipment needs are information provided us in confidence by that
government. The classification of the documents in question was, in
our view, substantively proper."

Amitay and AIPAC quickly mounted a massive campaign in opposition to
the missile sale, telling public pressure groups that the weapons were
capable of "providing cover for offensive operations against Israel."
Jordan subsequently considered buying a similar system from the Soviet
Union. According to the US Department of State, "Had Jordan actually
entered into such a major arms-supply relationship with the Soviets,
this would have had a significant adverse impact on U.S. national
defense interests and on U.S.-Jordanian relations."

The US State Department sent analysis about the feasibility of
criminally prosecuting Amitay to the Department of Justice. "With the
public disclosure of the information having already occurred, the
authorization of its release for the purpose of prosecution would not
be expected to cause damage with our relations with Jordan." However
Amitay was never charged and continued to serve as director of AIPAC
until he resigned 1980 to establish a political action committee in
Washington.

The newly declassified State Department files could aid former AIPAC
employee Steven J. Rosen. On February 14 Rosen presents oral arguments
in the DC Court of Appeals claiming that handling such classified data
has long been standard practice at AIPAC. Rosen sued AIPAC for $20
million after it fired him in 2005. AIPAC claimed Rosen's classified
information gathering activities "did not comport with standards that
AIPAC expects of its employees."

[drahcir]

someday maybe you'll make a point

[HHW]

On 17 ago, 22:10, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:

> <yawn>

Still yawning? Someone rattle his chain while I provide him with
another cup of caffeine:


December 13, 2011 10:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time

Secret trade report obtained by AIPAC and Israel compromised sensitive
US industry secrets

WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Following a three year Freedom of
Information Act battle, US Trade Ambassador Ron Kirk has been forced
to publicly release a secret report about America's first bilateral
trade agreement. The 1984 report predicted which US industries would
be most harmed by massive trade preferences for Israel.

“Probable Economic Effect of Providing Duty-Free Treatment for Imports
from Israel”
In 2009 the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep), a
Washington nonprofit that works to improve policy formulation, sought
public release of the report. The USTR refused. IRmep appealed to an
outside review panel arguing that declassified FBI files revealed both
the Israeli government and American Israel Public Affairs Committee
unlawfully obtained the report in 1984. A declassified FBI
investigation uncovered AIPAC's receipt of the report from Israel's
Economics Minister, who refused to divulge how he obtained it. IRmep
successfully argued that Americans most harmed by the data theft
should also have access to the report.

The International Trade Commission compiled "Probable Economic Effect
of Providing Duty-Free Treatment for Imports from Israel" by
soliciting confidential business information from all concerned
industries. US tomato growers and canners wanted to protect domestic
production and jobs while discounting Israel as a significant market
for US products. Arkansas bromine producers were concerned that
Israel's state-owned producer would displace private sector US jobs in
an economically challenged region.

According to the secret trade report, "Opposition to the duty-free
tariff treatment for jewelry was voiced by the largest national
jewelry trade association and several domestic producers...Support for
the elimination of jewelry tariffs came from an importer and the
American Israel Public Affairs Committee....The implementation of this
proposal would eliminate uncertainty about the future of the GSP
program, a program which is the key to Israel's competitiveness in the
US market."

Passage of Israel trade preferences into law in 1985 created a chronic
US deficit averaging $10 billion per year. In May of 2011, IRmep's
Center for Policy and Law Enforcement filed a petition with the USTR
Section 301 Committee demanding $6.64 billion in compensation for
exporters that suffered confidential business information loss to
AIPAC and Israel. Although USTR refused to pursue the petition, the
report's public release now provides crucial evidence for civil damage
claims to be filed in court against AIPAC. Stakeholders may now
download released sections of the report and links to FBI files at:
http://www.irmep.org/ILA/ustr/

Contacts

IRmep

[drahcir]

if you weren't alzheimic, you'd remember that I don't read your crap
if it's more than a few sentences. Make your point brief and you'll
have a response - flood with uncited garbage, and you'll get a <yawn>
if I'm in the mood.

[drahcir]

You read my reply, but being alzheimic, you forgot by the time you,
for some alzheimic reason, finished rereading your own post.

[drahcir]

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:55:14 -0700 (PDT), HHW
<coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 17 ago, 22:10, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
>> <yawn>
>
>Still yawning? Someone rattle his chain while I provide him with
>another cup of caffeine:

Can't get a cup of coffee at the only websites you frequent, like
irmep. The only stuff they have to drink is piss, your favorite
indulgence. I prefer a cup of joe from the NY Times, CNN, etc.

[HHW]

On 17 ago, 22:12, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:59:41 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thirsty dogs those CIA and FBI guys.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

October 20, 2011 10:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Secret CIA/FBI files of NUMEC nuclear diversions to Israel could aid
$170 million toxic cleanup

WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Recently declassified wiretap transcripts
of conversations between Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation
(NUMEC) founder Zalman Shapiro and venture capitalist David Lowenthal
reveal that illegal storage practices led to a dangerous nuclear
spill. Obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by IRmep's Center
for Policy and Law Enforcement, the files were heavily censored by the
Central Intelligence Agency which blocked release of 225 pages.

“NUMEC material had been diverted by the Israelis and used in
fabricating weapons.”
The transcript, http://www.irmep.org/ila/numec/08292011lowenthal.pdf,
details that Shapiro and Lowenthal's interest in completing NUMEC's
sale to Atlantic Richfield Company outweighed public safety concerns.
The FBI and CIA investigated Shapiro and Lowenthal in the 1960s under
suspicion of diverting highly enriched uranium (HEU) from NUMEC into
the clandestine Israeli nuclear weapons program. For decades the CIA
has blocked release of its files and equity content in other
government agency reports about NUMEC.

This week the US Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) $170 million cleanup
of NUMEC's toxic waste dump had to be halted after contractors
experienced unanticipated difficulties handling 55-gallon radioactive
waste drums. The declassified 1969 transcript identifies 200 stainless
steel drums illegally stored by NUMEC were improperly treated with
fluoride which accelerated corrosion. Full public release of remaining
secret CIA and FBI files could help determine the precise location of
the barrels and allow USACE to forecast likely migration of toxic
waste through groundwater and abandoned underground coal mine shafts.

The Center for Policy and Law Enforcement multi-year grant-funded
research project on NUMEC forwarded files to USACE and will identify
other classified files which could maximize safety and minimize
taxpayer-funded cleanup costs. USACE is now considering "possible
action." CIA files could also reveal exactly how much NUMEC HEU
entered the Israeli nuclear weapons program.

Files could also reveal why CIA officials unofficially insisted that
NUMEC diverted materials. Carl Duckett, former deputy of the CIA’s
Directorate of Science and Technology, claimed the agency came to the
conclusion by 1968 that “NUMEC material had been diverted by the
Israelis and used in fabricating weapons.” CIA Tel Aviv station chief
John Hadden claimed that NUMEC was “an Israeli operation from the
beginning.” NUMEC hosted Israeli spy Rafael Eitan (who later directed
Jonathan Pollard's espionage against the US) and was also frequently
visited by Israelis now known to be involved in nuclear weapons
development.

Contacts

IRmep
Grant Smith, 202-342-7325
in...@IRmep.org

Recent Stories

> ...
>
> leer más »

[drahcir]

OOOH!! Your website lets us see SECRET FILES!! How exciting!! I won't
tell anyone if you won't. Gosh, your website really put one over on
the cia and fbi.

Being alzheimic, you forgot that you never responded to my proof that
allies spy on each other all the time, preferring to inundate with
garbage from bogus sites. You can't find anything from a bona fide
source becuase what you look for only exists in the fantasy of you and
a few other antisemitic pigs.

You're such an incredible fool.

>> leer m�s �

[HHW]

On 17 ago, 22:09, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:

> <yawn>

FBI file on Krytron diversion. Implicates Israel Dept. of Defense and
Netanyahu.

On 18 ago, 07:51, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> <yawn>

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/krytons/

[HHW]

On 17 ago, 22:10, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:

> <yawn>

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/numec/default.asp

[HHW]

On 17 ago, 22:12, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:59:41 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 16 ago, 22:24, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:30:09 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
> >> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On 16 ago, 16:56, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> On Aug 14, 9:56 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > On 14 ago, 11:38, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > Oh, and while you're at it could you please exlain this:
>
> >> >> > > "LONDON — After a brief spurt of optimism, impetus toward resolving
> >> >> > > the nuclear dispute with Iran slowed further on Friday as senior
> >> >> > > inspectors from the United Nations nuclear watchdog said they had made
> >> >> > > “no progress” toward gaining access to restricted sites they suspect
> >> >> > > of being used to test potentialtriggersfor nuclear warheads."
>
> >> >> > Israel stole nucleartriggersfrom the United States, probably through
> >> >> > the agency of Zionist Americans.
>
> >> >> Uncited, therefore worthless. And of course, utterly irrelevant.

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/About/about.htm

> ...
>
> leer más »

[HHW]

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/weizmann/default.asp

[HHW]

Not just Iran, Ratner, and not just about nuclear material and not
just since the 1980 either:

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/Bernstein/default.asp

[HHW]

http://www.irmep.org/ILA/Feinberg/default.asp

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Recently declassified wiretap transcripts
> >of conversations between Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation
> >(NUMEC) founder Zalman Shapiro and venture capitalist David Lowenthal
> >reveal that illegal storage practices led to a dangerous nuclear
> >spill. Obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by IRmep's Center
> >for Policy and Law Enforcement, the files were heavily censored by the
> >Central Intelligence Agency which blocked release of 225 pages.
>
> >“NUMEC material had been diverted by the Israelis and used in
> >fabricating weapons.”

> >The transcript,http://www.irmep.org/ila/numec/08292011lowenthal.pdf,

> >details that Shapiro and Lowenthal's interest in completing NUMEC's
> >sale to Atlantic Richfield Company outweighed public safety concerns.
> >The FBI and CIA investigated Shapiro and Lowenthal in the 1960s under
> >suspicion of diverting highly enriched uranium (HEU) from NUMEC into
> >the clandestine Israeli nuclear weapons program. For decades the CIA
> >has blocked release of its files and equity content in other
> >government agency reports about NUMEC.
>
> >This week the US Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) $170 million cleanup
> >of NUMEC's toxic waste dump had to be halted after contractors
> >experienced unanticipated difficulties handling 55-gallon radioactive
> >waste drums. The declassified 1969 transcript identifies 200 stainless
> >steel drums illegally stored by NUMEC were improperly treated with
> >fluoride which accelerated corrosion. Full public release of remaining
> >secret CIA and FBI files could help determine the precise location of
> >the barrels and allow USACE to forecast likely migration of toxic
> >waste through groundwater and abandoned underground coal mine shafts.
>
> >The Center for Policy and Law Enforcement multi-year grant-funded
> >research project on NUMEC forwarded files to USACE and will identify
> >other classified files which could maximize safety and minimize
> >taxpayer-funded cleanup costs. USACE is now
>

> ...
>
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[HHW]

On 18 ago, 10:29, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>  On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 07:43:45 -0600, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca>

http://www.irmep.org/ila/amitay/

[HHW]

On 17 ago, 22:10, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:

> <yawn>

http://www.irmep.org/ila/kenen/

[drahcir]

I am happy Israel has nukes. I think they will prevent war. I have
already stated that I couldn't care less how IRMEP says they acquired
the nukes. People may have violated US law to accomplish an end they
saw as worth taking punishment for. That's their choice. You continue
to post this crap for reasons unknown.

[drahcir]

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