Anti-semitism (anti-Judaism) in the sira, koran and hadith
cornholio
"Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were
visited with Allah's wrath."
Qur'an 2:59
"The wicked [Jews] changed and perverted the word We [Allah] had
spoken to a word distorted." Because of their egregious behavior, the
Jews "became like apes despised." [Allah mad Christians into swine].
Qur'an 8:39
"So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is
Islam."
Qur'an 3:3
"Later, in the train of the prophets, We [Allah] sent Jesus, son of
Mary, confirming the Torah which had been sent down before him, and
gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light, which corroborated
the earlier Torah." [Judaism and Christianity are defined by Islam.]
Qur'an 8:12
"Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels
out to the last.'"
Bukhari 4,55,547
Muhammad said: "If it weren't for the Jews, meat would not rot. If not
for Eve, wives would never disobey their mates"
Qur'an 2:193
"And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion
is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility
except against infidel disbelievers. .
[Muslims have been ordered to fight until the only religion is Islam -
world conquest.]
Bukhari:V4B55N546
"A Jewish rabbi, Abdulla bin Salam approached the Messenger, 'I am
going to ask you three things which nobody knows except a prophet:
[Then how would the Rabbi know them?] What is the first portent of the
Hour? What will be the first meal taken in Paradise? Why does a child
resemble its father, and why does it resemble its mother.' Allah's
Apostle said, 'Gabriel has just now told me of the answers.' 'Gabriel,
from among all the angels, is the enemy of the Jews.' 'The first
portent of the Hour will be a fire that will bring the people from
east to west. The first meal of Paradise will be caudate lobe of fish-
liver. As for the resemblance of a child to its parents: If a man has
sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child
will resemble him, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child
will resemble her.' On that the rabbi said, 'I testify you are the
Apostle of Allah, and that Jews are liars.'" [Lies and total
garbage. ]
Qur'an 8:59
"The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare
against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may
terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy."
Qur'an 4:44
"Have you not considered those to whom a portion of the Book has been
given? They traffic in error and desire that you should go astray. But
Allah has full knowledge of your enemies. Of the Jews there are those
who displace words from their (right) places, saying, ‘We hear and we
disobey' with a twist of their tongues they slander Faith.... Allah
has cursed them for disbelief."
Qur'an 4:47
Talking directly to Jews
"O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given,
believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what
was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all
recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the
Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be executed."
Qur'an 4:160
"For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain
(foods) in that they hindered many from Allah's Way, that they took
usury, though they were forbidden, and that they devoured men's wealth
on false pretenses, We have prepared for those among them who reject
[Islamic] Faith a painful doom."
Qur'an 5:59
"Say: ‘People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason
than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us
and that which came before?' Say: ‘Shall I point out to you something
much worse than this by the treatment it received from Allah? Those
who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom He
transformed into apes and swine."
Qur'an 2:64
Talking directly to Jews
"But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become
apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you."
Ishaq:240
"The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous,
lying, and evil people."
Qur'an 33:26
"Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that
you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their
lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had
not traversed before."
Ishaq:250
"The bestial transformation occurred when Allah turned Jews into apes,
despised."
Qur'an 59:14
"The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting
them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell."
Ishaq:254
Qur'an 2:96
"We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. They know the shameful
thing that awaits them."
Qur'an 4:55
"Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!"
Qur'an 88:1
"Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some
faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be
humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are
made to drink from a boiling hot spring."
Tabari VIII:116
"After his return from Hudaybiyah, Allah's Messenger marched against
Khaybar. He halted with his army in a valley between the people of
Khaybar and the Ghatafan tribe to prevent the latter from assisting
the Jews."
Ishaq:264
"A notable Jew spoke to the Apostle, twisting his tongue. He attacked
Islam and reviled it, so Allah sent down, ‘Allah knows best about your
enemies. Some of the Jews change words from their contexts and say:
"We hear and disobey," twisting their tongues and attacking the
religion so Allah cursed them.'"
Tabari VIII:121
"Ali struck the Jew with a swift blow that split his helmet, neck
protector, and head, landing in his rear teeth. And the Muslims
entered the city. Muhammad conquered the [Jewish] neighborhood.
Safiyah was brought to him, and another woman with her. Bilal led them
past some of the Jews we had slain including the woman's dead husband.
When she saw them, the woman with Safiyah cried out, slapped her face,
and poured dust on her head. When Allah's Prophet saw her, he said,
‘Take this she-devil away from me!'"
Bukhari:V4B53N380
"Umar expelled all the Jews and Christians from Arabia. Allah's
Apostle after conquering Khaybar thought of expelling the Jews from
the land which, after he conquered it, belonged to Allah, Allah's
Apostle and the Muslims. But the Jews requested Allah's Apostle to
leave them there on the condition that they would do the labor and get
half of the fruits (the land would yield). Allah's Apostle said, ‘We
shall keep you on these terms as long as we wish.' Thus they stayed
till the time of Umar's Caliphate when he expelled them."
Tabari VIII:130
"The Messenger said during his final illness, ‘Two religions cannot
coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.' Umar investigated the matter, then
sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be
expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two
religions cannot coexist in Arabia."
Ishaq:517
"Khaybar was stormed by the Apostle's squadron, fully armed, powerful,
and strong. It brought certain humiliation with Muslim men in its
midst. We attacked and they met their doom. Muhammad conquered the
Jews in fighting that day as they opened their eyes to our dust."
Ishaq:524
"We cannot accept the oaths of Jews. Their infidelity is so great they
swear falsely."
Qur'an 59:14
"They [Jews] will not fight against you save in fortified townships.
Their hostility and hatred amongst themselves is strong: you would
think they were united, but their hearts they are divided. That is
because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense."
Ishaq:245
"Do you love Jews and their religion, you liver-hearted ass, and not
Muhammad? Their religion will never march with ours.... Jews make
false professions about Islam. So Allah sent down: ‘Satan wishes to
lead them astray."
Ishaq:248
"Allah increases their sickness. A tormented doom awaits the Jews.
Allah said, ‘They are mischief makers. They are fools. The Jews deny
the truth and contradict what the Apostle has brought. I will mock
them and let them continue to wander blindly.'"
Tabari VII:158
"The Messenger of Allah besieged the Nadir Jews for fifteen days. In
the end they made peace with him on the condition that the Prophet
would not shed their blood and that their property and possessions
would be his."
Qur'an 5:13
"But because of their breach of their covenant We cursed the Jews, and
made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right)
places [the illiterate prophet pronounced] and forget and abandon a
good part of the message that was sent them. Nor will you cease to
find deceit in them. And because of their breaking their covenant We
have cursed them. They altered words from their context and they
neglected a portion of the message they were reminded of."
Qur'an 5:41
"Or it be among the Jews, men who will listen to any lie. They change
the context of the words from their (right) times and places.... For
them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy
punishment.""
Qur'an 5:42
"They are fond of listening to falsehood, of devouring anything
forbidden; they are greedy for illicit gain!"
Qur'an 5:44
"It was We who revealed the Torah. By its standard the prophets judged
the Jews, and the prophets bowed (in Islam) to Allah's will,
surrendering. For the rabbis and priests: to them was entrusted the
protection of Allah's Scripture Book; they were witnesses of it.
Therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My revelations for a
miserable price."
Qur'an 5:46
"He [Allah] has verily revealed to you this Book [the Qur'an] in truth
and confirmation of the Books revealed before, as indeed He had
revealed the Torah and the Gospel."
Qur'an 5:64
"The Jews say: ‘Allah's hands are fettered.' Be their hands tied up
and be they accursed for the blasphemy they utter. Nay, both His hands
are widely outstretched, giving [Muslims Jewish booty] as He pleases.
Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Doom.
Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah does extinguish it. But
they strive to do mischief on earth."
Qur'an 98:1
"Those among the People of the Book, who disbelieve and are idolaters,
would never have been freed from their false religion if the Clear
Proofs had not come to them. An Apostle of Allah came reading out of
hallowed pages.... They were commanded to serve Allah exclusively,
fulfilling their devotional obligations, and paying the zakat. Surely
the unbelievers and idolaters from the People of the Book will abide
in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures."
Qur'an 5:78
"Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who
rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they
disobeyed and rebelled."
Qur'an 5:80
"You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving
infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah's wrath is on them, and
in torment will they abide."
Qur'an 5:81
"If only they had believed in Allah, in the Prophet, and in what had
been revealed to him."
Qur'an 5:82
"You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in
5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims."
Ishaq:262
"Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a
Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths
hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse."
Qur'an 2:59
"We sent a plague upon the Jews from heaven, for their evil-doing."
Bukhari:V4B56N679
"Allah's Apostle said, ‘Plague is a means of torture sent on the
Israelis.'"
Bukhari:V2B23N457
"The Prophet went out after sunset and heard a dreadful voice. He
said, ‘The Jews are being punished in their graves.'"
Qur'an 17:7
"We shall rouse Our (Muslim) slaves to shame and ravage you (Jews),
disfiguring your faces. They will enter the Temple as before and
destroy, laying to waste all that they conquer."
Bukhari:V1B4N147
"People say, ‘Whenever you sit for answering the call of nature, you
should not face the Qiblah of Jerusalem.' I told them. ‘Once I went up
the roof of our house and I saw Allah's Apostle answering the call of
nature while sitting on two bricks facing Jerusalem."
Ishaq:239
"About this time Jewish rabbis showed hostility to the Apostle in
envy, hatred, and malice, because Allah had chosen His Apostle from
the Arabs. The Jews considered the Prophet a liar and strove against
Islam."
Ishaq:239
"Jewish rabbis used to annoy the Apostle with questions, introducing
confusion." "Qur'ans used to come down in reference to their
questions."
Ishaq:240
"Labid bewitched Allah's Apostle so that he could not come at his
wives. These Jewish rabbis opposed the apostle, they asked questions
and stirred up trouble against Islam trying to extinguish it."
Ishaq:240
"I concealed the matter from the Jews and then went to the Apostle and
said, ‘The Jews are a nation of liars and I want you to give me a
house and hide me from them. If they learn I've become a Muslim,
they'll utter slanderous lies against me.' So the prophet gave me a
house, and when the Jews came, I emerged and said, ‘O Jews, fear Allah
and accept what He has sent you. For you know that he is the Apostle
of Allah. You will find him described in your Torah and even named.'
They accused me of lying and reviled me. I told Muhammad, ‘The Jews
are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.'"
Ishaq:241
"Mukhayriq was a learned rabbi owning much property in date palms. He
recognized the Apostle by his description and felt a predilection for
his religion. He violated the Sabbath to fight on behalf of Islam and
was killed in battle. I am told the Prophet used to say, ‘Mukhayriq is
the best of the Jews [a dead one].' The Apostle took his property."
Ishaq:242
"Julas the Jew used to say, ‘If Muhammad is right we are worse than
donkeys.' Allah sent down concerning him: ‘They swear that they did
not say it, when they did say the words of unbelief.... Allah will
afflict them with a painful punishment in this world and in the
next.' [Surah 9:75] Ishaq:242 "The Apostle ordered Umar to kill him,
but he escaped to Mecca."
Ishaq:246
"The surah of the Hypocrites came down because some men sent secret
messages to the Nadir Jews when the Apostle besieged them.... Allah
bears witness that they are liars. Like Satan when he says to men,
"Disbelieve."' [59:11]
Qur'an 59:14
"They are a divided people devoid of sense. There is a grievous
punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so both of
them will end up in Hell."
Qur'an 59:2
"It was He [Allah] who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from
their [Medina] homes and into exile. They refused to believe. You did
not think that they would go away. And they imagined that their
settlement would protect them against Allah. But Allah's [actually
Muhammad's] (torment) came at them from where they did not suspect and
terrorized them. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson O men
who have eyes. This is My warning. Had Allah not decreed the expulsion
of the Jews, banishing them into the desert, He would certainly have
punished them in this world, and in the next they shall taste the
torment of Hell Fire."
Ishaq:251
"Moses commanded them to prostrate themselves and his Lord spoke to
him and they heard His voice giving them commands and prohibitions so
that they understood what they heard. But when Moses went back to the
Jews a party of them changed the Commandments they had been
given." [2:75]
Ishaq:252
"Have you no understanding? Why do you maintain that he is not a
prophet since you know that Allah has made a Covenant with you that
you should follow him? While he tells you that he is the prophet whom
you are expecting, and that you will find him in Our book, you oppose
him and do not recognize him. You reject his prophethood on mere
opinion."
Ishaq:253
"Allah cursed them for their unbelief. When a scripture comes to them
from Allah confirming what they already have, they deny it. Allah's
curse is on them."
Ishaq:254
"In the pagan era the Jews were scripture folk and we were pagans.
They used to say, ‘Soon a prophet will be sent whom we shall follow.'
When Allah sent his Apostle from the Quraysh and we followed him they
denied him. Allah revealed, ‘When there comes to him one they
recognize, they deny him. They are wretched, so Allah cursed them, and
He will give them a shameful punishment.' The double anger is His
wrath because they have disregarded the Torah and anger because they
disbelieved in this Prophet whom Allah has sent to them." [2:89]
Ishaq:254
Allah talks to Jews
"Long for death [Jews], if you are truthful. Pray that God will kill
whichever one of us is the most false. The Jews refused the Prophet's
dare." "Allah said to His Prophet, ‘They will never accept your dare
because of their past deeds. But they recognize you from the knowledge
they have. Yet they deny. Had they accepted your dare, not a single
Jew would have remained alive on the earth." [2:94]
Ishaq:254
"We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. The Jew knows the
shameful thing that awaits him in the next life because he has wasted
the knowledge he has." [2:96]
Ishaq:255
"Jewish rabbis came to the Apostle and asked him to answer four
questions saying, ‘If you do so we will follow you, testify to your
truth, and believe in you.' They began, ‘Why does a boy resemble his
mother when the semen comes from the father?' Muhammad replied, ‘Do
you not know that a man's semen is white and thick and a woman's is
yellow and thin? The likeness goes with that which comes to the top.'
‘Agreed,' the rabbis proclaimed.... The rabbis said. ‘But Muhammad,
your spirit is an enemy to us, an angel who comes only with violence
and the shedding of blood, and were it not for that we would follow
you."
Ishaq:255
"So Allah sent down concerning them: ‘When the Apostle comes to them
from Allah confirming that which they have received in scripture, they
put it behind their backs as if they did not know it. They follow that
which Satan read concerning the kingdom of Solomon - sorcery.' One of
the rabbis said, ‘Don't you wonder at Muhammad? He alleges that
Solomon was a prophet, and yet he was nothing but a sorcerer.' So
Allah sent down, ‘Solomon did not disbelieve but Satan did, practicing
sorcery.'" [2:101]
Ishaq:256
"The Apostle wrote a letter to the Jews of Khaybar [before he
annihilated them]. In the name of Allah, from Muhammad the Apostle of
Allah, friend and brother of Moses who confirms what Moses brought
[the Torah]. Allah says to you, ‘O Scripture folk, and you will find
it in your scripture "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those with him
are severe against the unbelievers. You see them bowing, falling
prostrate, seeking bounty, and acceptance. The mark of their
prostrations is on their foreheads." That is their likeness in the
Torah and in the Gospels.'"
Ishaq:256
"The Jews used to ask Muhammad questions which annoyed and confused
him." Ishaq:257 "Your situation seems obscure to us, Muhammad."
Ishaq:257
"‘O Jews, fear Allah and submit, for you used to hope for the
Messiah's help against the Arabs when we were pagans. You told us that
he would be sent and then told us about him.' A Jew responded,
‘Muhammad has not shown us anything we recognize as prophetic. He is
not the one we spoke to you about.' So Allah revealed, ‘We confirmed
what they had, and We sent one they recognized, but they rejected him
so We are cursing them.' The Jews replied, ‘No Covenant was ever made
with us about Muhammad.'" "‘Muhammad, you have not brought anything we
recognize. And God has not sent down any sign or miracle suggesting
that we should believe you.' So Allah said, ‘We have sent down to you
plain signs and only evildoers disbelieve them.'"
Ishaq:257
"The Jews told Allah's Messenger, ‘Bring us a book. Bring us something
down from heaven that we might read it.'"
Ishaq:258
"The Jews used to turn men away from Islam. So Allah said, ‘Many
Scripture folk wish to make you unbelievers after you have believed.
They are envious. Be indulgent until Allah gives you his orders [to
rob them, rape them, sell them into slavery, and murder them.]"
Ishaq:262
"Some Muslims remained friends with Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an
forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has
already shown itself and what they conceal is worse." "You believe in
their Book [even though you can not read] while they deny your book,
so you have more right to hate them than they have to hate you."
Ishaq:263
"Abu Bakr went into a Jewish school [there is no mention of him ever
going into a Muslim school] and found many pupils gathered around
Finhas, a learned rabbi. Bakr told the Jews to fear Allah and submit.
He told them that they would find that Muhammad was an Apostle written
in the Torah and Gospels. Finhas replied, ‘Why does your god ask us to
lend him money as your master pretends.' Abu was enraged and hit
Finhas hard in the face [for telling the truth]. Were it not for the
treaty between us I would cut off your head, you enemy of Allah. So
Allah said, ‘They will taste Our punishment of burning.'"
Ishaq:264
"Allah revealed concerning Finhas and the other rabbis: ‘Allah issued
orders to those who had received the Book: ‘You are to make it clear
to men and not conceal it, yet they cast the Torah behind their backs
and sold it for a small price. Wretched was their exchange. They will
therefore receive a painful punishment.'"
Ishaq:264
"The Torah confirms what Muhammad brought. Rifa'a, a notable Jew,
spoke to the Apostle, twisting his tongue: ‘Give us your attention,
Muhammad, so that we can make you understand.' Then he attacked Islam
and reviled it. So Allah sent down, ‘Allah knows about your enemies.
Some Jews change words from their contexts and say: "We hear and
disobey," twisting their tongues and attacking the religion. But Allah
cursed them.'" [2:59 & 4:47]
Ishaq:264
"The Jewish rabbis knew that Muhammad had brought them the truth, but
they denied that they knew it. They were obstinate. So Allah revealed,
‘People of the Book, believe in what we have sent down in confirmation
of what you had been given before or We will efface your features and
turn your face into your ass, cursing you.'"
Ishaq:269
"‘Tell us when the Day of Doom will be, Muhammad, if you are a prophet
as you say.' So Allah sent down, ‘They will ask you about the hour
when it will come to pass. Say, only my Lord knows of it. None but He
will reveal it at its proper time. Say, ‘Only Allah knows about it but
most men do not know.' How can we follow you, Muhammad, when you have
abandoned our Qiblah? And you do not allege that Uzayr [who knows?] is
the son of God.' So Allah revealed, ‘The Jews say that Uzayr is the
son of God [no they don't] and the Christians say the Messiah is the
son of God. That is what they say with their mouths, copying the
speech of those who disbelieved in the earlier times. Allah fight
them! How perverse are they?'"
Ishaq:269
"‘For our part we don't see how your Qur'an recitals are arranged
anything like our Torah is.' [So Muhammad who couldn't read said,]
‘You know quite well that the Qur'an is from Allah. You will find it
written in the Torah which you have.'"
Ishaq:269
"‘If men and jinn [demons] came together to produce its like they
could not.' Finhas said, ‘Did men or jinn tell you this, Muhammad?'
‘You know full well that the Qur'an is from Allah and that I am the
Apostle of Allah. You will find it written in the Torah you have.' The
rabbi replied, ‘When God sends a prophet, He provides for him, so
bring us a book that is divinely inspired that we may read it and
determine if you are telling the truth. We can produce our Book.' So
Allah revealed, concerning their words, ‘Though men and jinn should
meet to produce this Qur'an, they would not produce its like, even
working together.'"
Qur'an 2:40
Allah speaks directly to Jews
"O Children of Israel, remember the favors I bestowed on you. So keep
My Covenant so that I fulfil your covenant. Fear Me. And believe in
what I sent down, confirming and verifying the Scripture which you
possess already."
Qur'an 2:41
"Be not the first to deny or sell My Verses for a small price; and
fear Me, and Me alone." [Another translation reads:] "Part not with My
Revelations for a trifling price, getting a small gain by selling My
Verses."
Qur'an 2:43
Allah speaks directly to Jews
"[Jews] Perform prayer; pay the zakat tax; bow down and prostrate
yourself with Ar-Raki'un (the obedient bowers). You read, recite, and
study the Scripture. Why don't you understand? Nay, seek [Islamic
prostration] prayer: It is indeed hard, heavy, and exacting, except
for those who obey in submission."
Qur'an 2:59
"The [Jewish] transgressors changed and perverted the word from that
which had been spoken to them to a word distorted; so We sent a plague
upon them from heaven, for their evil-doing."
Qur'an 2:61
"Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon the Jews and they were
visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved
Allah's Proofs, Signs and Verses and killed the prophets. They
disobeyed and rebelled."
Qur'an 2:64
Allah speaks directly to Jews
"But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. You know
that you have broken the sanctity of the Sabbath, so We said: ‘Become
monkeys despised and hated.' We made this punishment an example and a
warning for those who fear Allah."
Qur'an 2:79
"But woe to the Jews who fake the Scriptures and say, ‘This is from
God,' so that they might earn some profit thereby.' And woe to them
for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn
from it.'"
Qur'an 2:80
"Yet they (Jews) say: ‘The Fire will not touch us for more than a few
days...but they are enclosed in error and are inmates of Hell."
Qur'an 2:85
Allah speaks directly to Jews
"Do you [Jews] believe a part of the Book and reject a part? There is
no reward for them who so act but disgrace in the world, and on the
Day of Doom, the severest of punishment...their torment will never
decrease!"
Qur'an 2:89
"The Book was sent to them (the Jews) by Allah verifying and
confirming what had been revealed to them already (the Torah and
Gospel). They used to pray for victory over the unbelievers - and even
though they recognized it when it came to them, they renounced it. The
curse of Allah be on those who deny!"
Qur'an 2:101
"When there came a messenger from Allah confirming what was with them,
a party of the people of the (Torah and Gospel) Scripture Book fling
away the Book of Allah, tossing it behind their backs, as if they did
not know!"
Qur'an 2:109
"Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could turn you
[Muslim] (people) back to infidelity after you have believed
[submitted], through selfish envy, even after the Truth has become
manifest to them. Indulge them until Allah issues his orders."
Tabari VII:26
"When the Prophet came to Yathrib he saw the Jews fasting on Ashura
day. He questioned them, and they said it was the day upon which God
drowned Pharaoh and saved Moses from the Egyptians. He said, ‘We have
a better right to Moses than you do.'"
Tabari VII:85
"After Muhammad killed many Quraysh polytheists at Badr, the Jews were
envious and behaved badly toward him, saying, ‘Muhammad has not met
anyone who is good at fighting. Had he met us, he would have had a
real battle.' They also infringed the treaty in various ways."
Ishaq:232
"The Jews shall contribute to the cost of war so long as they are
fighting alongside the believers. The Jews have their religion, the
Muslims have theirs. None of them shall go out to war unless they have
Muhammad's permission. The Jews must pay, however, for as long as the
war lasts. If any dispute or controversy should arise it must be
referred to Allah and Muhammad, His Apostle. If the Jews are called to
make peace they must, except in the case of Holy War. Allah approves
of this document."
Tabari VII:85
"What happened to the Qaynuqa [the wealthiest Jewish tribe in Yathrib]
was that Muhammad assembled them in their Marketplace and said, ‘Jews,
beware lest Allah brings on you the kind of vengeance which He brought
on the Quraysh. Accept Islam [submit] and become Muslims [surrender].
You know that I am a Prophet. You will find me in your Scriptures and
in Allah's Covenant with you.'"
Ishaq:363
"The Jews of the Qaynuqa replied, ‘Muhammad, do you think that we are
like your people? Do not be deluded by the fact that you met a people
with no knowledge and you made good use of your opportunity.'"
Tabari VII:85
"The Qaynuqa were the first Jews to infringe the agreement between
them and the Messenger." [We are not told how they "infringed." "The
campaign of the Prophet against the Banu Qaynuqa was in Shawwal (March
27, 624) in the second year of the Hijrah [migration from Mecca]."
Tabari VII:86
"Gabriel brought down the following verse to the Messenger: ‘If you
apprehend treachery from any people (with whom you have a treaty),
retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them.' [8:58] When Gabriel
had finished delivering this verse, the Prophet said, ‘I fear the
Qaynuqa.' It was on the basis of this verse that Muhammad advanced on
them."
Ishaq:363
"Allah's Apostle besieged the Qaynuqa until they surrendered at his
discretion unconditionally."
Tabari VII:86
"Abd Allah [a Yathrib chief] rose up when Allah had put them in his
power, and said, ‘Muhammad, treat my ally well, for the Qaynuqa are a
confederate of the Khazraj.' The Prophet ignored him, so Abd Allah
repeated his request." Ishaq:363 "The Prophet turned away from him so
Abd Allah put his hand on the collar of the Messenger's robe. Muhammad
said, ‘Let go of me!' He was so angry his face turned black. Then he
said, ‘Damn you, let me go!' Abd Allah replied, ‘No, by God, I will
not let you go until you treat my ally humanely. There are seven
hundred men among them who defended me from my foes when I needed
their help. And now, you would mow them down in a single morning? By
God I do not feel safe around here any more. I am afraid of what the
future may have in store.' So the Messenger said, ‘You can have
them.'"
Tabari VII:87
"The Prophet said, ‘Let them go; may Allah curse them, and may he
curse Abd Allah with them.' So the Muslims let them go. Then Muhammad
[went back on his word and] gave orders to expel the Jews. Allah gave
their property as booty to his Messenger. The Qaynuqa did not have any
farmland, as they were goldsmiths. The Prophet took many weapons
belonging to them and the tools of their trade. The person who took
charge of their expulsion from Yathrib along with their children was
Ubadah. He accompanied them as far as Dhubab, saying: ‘The farther you
go the better.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N362
"He exiled all the Qaynuqa Jews from Medina."
Ishaq:364
"Muslims, take not Jews and Christians as friends. Whoever protects
them becomes one of them, they become diseased, and will earn a
similar fate."
Ishaq:364
"‘I fear this change of circumstance may end up overtaking us.' So
Allah replied, ‘He will be sorry for his thoughts. True believers
perform prostrations, they pay the tax, they bow in homage, and
renounce their agreements with the Jews. They are Hezbollah - Allah's
Party.'"
Qur'an 59:2
"It was Allah who drove the (Jewish) People from their [Yathrib] homes
and into exile. They refused to believe. They imagined that their
strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah's Torment came
at them from where they did not suspect. He terrorized them. Their
homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson. This is My warning. Had I not
decreed the expulsion of the Jews, banishing them to the desert, I
would have punished them. They shall taste the torment of Hell Fire."
Qur'an 59:4 "That is because they resisted Allah and His Messenger. If
any one resists Allah, verily Allah is severe in Punishment."
Qur'an 59:6
"What Allah gave as booty to His Messenger, He has taken away from the
Jews. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whom He will. Whatever
booty Allah has given to Muhammad and taken away from the (Jewish)
people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Apostle."
Tabari VII:94
"The Murder of Ka'b bin Ashraf, The Evil Genius of the Jews: The
Prophet sent messengers to the people of Medina announcing the good
news of the victory granted to him by Allah at Badr. They listed the
names of the polytheists they had killed." Ishaq:365 "Ka'b bin Ashraf
was from the Jewish clan of Nadir. When he heard the news, he said,
‘Can this be true? Did Muhammad actually kill these people? These were
fine men. If Muhammad has slain them, then the belly of the earth is a
better place for us than its surface!'" Ishaq:365 "When the enemy of
Allah became convinced the report was true, he set out for Mecca. He
began to arouse people against Muhammad [i.e., he exposed him]. He
recited verses in sympathy for the Quraysh men Muhammad had cast into
the pit. Ka'b Ashraf composed the following poetic lines: ‘The blood
spilled at Badr calls to its people. They cry and weep. The best men
were slain and thrown into a pit.'" Ishaq:365 "Drive off that fool of
yours so that you might be safe from talk that makes no sense. Why do
you taunt those who mourn over their dead? They lived good lives, and
as such we must remember them. But now you have become like jackals."
Tabari VII:94
"The Prophet said, ‘Who will rid me of Ashraf?' Muhammad bin Maslamah,
said, ‘I will rid you of him, Messenger of Allah. I will kill him.'
‘Do it then,' he said, ‘if you can.'"
Bukhari:V4B52N270
"The Prophet said, ‘Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has
really hurt Allah and His Apostle?' Muhammad bin Maslama said, ‘O
Allah's Apostle! Do you want me to kill him?' He replied in the
affirmative."
Ishaq:365
"‘Who will rid me of Ashraf?' Maslama said, ‘I will deal with him for
you. O Apostle, I will kill him.' Muhammad said, ‘Do so if you can.'"
Ishaq:365
Tabari VII:94
"Muhammad bin Maslamah said, ‘O Messenger, we shall have to tell
lies.' ‘Say what you like,' Muhammad replied. ‘You are absolved, free
to say whatever you must.'"
Tabari VII:94
Ishaq:367
"Maslamah made a plan to kill Ka'b, the enemy of Allah. Before they
went to him, they sent Abu ahead. When he arrived, they spoke together
for a while. They recited verses, for Abu was something of a poet.
Then Abu said, ‘Ka'b, I have come to you about a matter which I want
you to keep secret.' ‘Go ahead,' he replied. ‘The arrival of the
Prophet Muhammad has been an affliction for us.' Abu said, ‘Most Arabs
are now hostile to us. We cannot travel along the roads, and the
result is that our families are facing ruin. We are all suffering.'
Ka'b replied, ‘I warned you that things would turn out like this.' Abu
said, ‘I would like you to sell us some food. We will give you some
collateral and make a firm contract. Please treat us generously.'"
Tabari VII:95
"Abu said, ‘We will deposit sufficient weapons with you to guarantee
the payment of our debt.' Abu wanted to fool the Jew so that he would
not be suspicious about the weapons when they came bearing them. Abu
went back to his companions, informed them of what had happened. He
told them to grab their swords and join him. Before leaving, they went
to the house of the Messenger. Muhammad walked with them as far as
Baqi al-Gharqad. Then he sent them off, saying, ‘Go in Allah's name; O
Allah, help them [assassinate the outspoken Jew]!' Then the Prophet
went back home. It was a moonlit night, and they went forward until
they reached Ka'b's house."
Muslim:B19N4436
"Muhammad said to his companions: ‘As he comes down, I will extend my
hands towards his head, I will touch his hair and smell it. When you
see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. When I hold him fast,
you do your job.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N369
"Muhammad said. ‘I have never smelt a better perfume than this,' so
that Ka'b would relax his guard. ‘Will you allow me to smell your
head?' Then Abu thrust his hand into the hair near his temple. When
Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said, ‘Strike the enemy of
Allah!' So they smote him."
Ishaq:368
"Their swords rained blows upon him, but to no avail. Muhammad bin
Maslamah said, ‘When I saw that they were ineffective, I remembered a
long, thin dagger which I had in my scabbard. I took hold of it. By
this time the enemy of Allah had shouted so loudly lamps had been lit
in the homes around us. I plunged the dagger into his breast and
pressed upon it so heavily that it reached his pubic region. Allah's
enemy fell to the ground.'"
Tabari VII:97
Ishaq:368
"We carried Ka'b's head and brought it to Muhammad during the night.
We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain
Allah's enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf's head before his
feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated
and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah's Cause. Our
attack upon Allah's enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no
Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.'"
Ishaq:368
"Ka'b's body was left prostrate. After his fall, all the Nadir Jews
were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad's order
we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him
to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night,
bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our
deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet."
Tabari VII:97
"The next morning, the Jews were in a state of fear on account of our
attack upon the enemy of Allah. After the assassination, the Prophet
declared, ‘Kill every Jew.'"
Bukhari:V1B1N6
"Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."
Tabari VII:97
Ishaq:369
"Thereupon Mas'ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with
whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him.
The Muslim's brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You
have much fat in you belly from his charity.' Mas'ud answered, ‘By
Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have
cut off your head.' Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can
bring you to this is indeed wonderful!'"
Qur'an 59:14
"The Jews will not unite and fight against you except from behind
walls. They hate themselves. You would think they were united, but
their hearts are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people
devoid of sense. Like those who recently preceded them [the Meccans at
Badr], they [the Jews who were just sent into the desert to die] have
tasted the evil result of their conduct. And for them a grievous
punishment."
Qur'an 59:16
"They [the Jews] are like Satan when he tells man, ‘Not to believe,'
When (man) denies, Satan says, ‘I have nothing to do with you. I fear
Allah, the Lord of men and jinn!'"
Qur'an 59:17
"Both [Jews and Satan] will go into the Fire of Hell, dwelling therein
forever. Such is the reward of the Zalimun (disbelievers and
polytheists)."
Qur'an 62:5
"The likeness of those who are entrusted with the Taurat (Torah), who
subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of an ass which
carries huge books (but understands them not). Wretched is the
likeness of folk who deny the Verses of Allah."
Qur'an 62:6
"Say: ‘You Jews! If you think that you are friends to Allah, to the
exclusion of (other) men, then desire death, if you are truthful!' But
never will they long (for death), because of what their hands have
done before them! Allah knows well the polytheists! Say: ‘The Death
from which you flee will truly overtake you.'"
Qur'an 3:65
Allah speaks directly to Jews
"You People of the Book! Why dispute you about Abraham, when the Law
and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have you no
understanding? Ah! You are those who fell to disputing (even) in
matters of which you had some knowledge! But why dispute in matters of
which you have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and you who know
not!"
Qur'an 3:67
"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim,
surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with
Allah."
Qur'an 3:77
"As for those who sell for a small price the covenant and faith they
owe to Allah and their own plighted word for a small price, they shall
have no portion in the Hereafter. Nor will Allah speak to them or look
at them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He cleanse them: They shall
have a grievous torment, a painful doom. There is among them a section
who distort the Book with their tongues. (As they read) you would
think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book; and they say,
‘That is from God,' but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a
lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!"
Qur'an 3:84
"Say (Muhammad): ‘We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us
and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob
and the tribes [of Israel], and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus,
and the prophets, from their Lord. We make no distinction between any
of them, and unto Him we have surrendered, bowing our will (in
Islam).'"
Qur'an 3:85
"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Surrender), never will
it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of
those who are losers." Qur'an 3:87 "Of such the reward is that on them
(rests) the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all men, all
together. In that will they dwell; nor will their penalty of doom be
lightened."
Tabari VII:156
Ishaq:437
"In the fourth year of the Islamic Era the Prophet expelled the Nadir
[a large Jewish community in Yathrib] from their homes.
Tabari VII:158
"Call Muhammad bin Maslamah to me.' When Muhammad came, he was told to
go to the Jews and say, ‘Leave my country. You have intended
treachery.' He went and said, ‘The Messenger orders you to depart from
his country.' They replied, ‘We never thought that an Aws would come
with such a message.' ‘Hearts have changed,' Muhammad said. ‘Islam has
wiped out our old covenants.'"
Ishaq:437
"The Apostle ordered them to prepare for war and to march against
them. Muhammad personally led his men against the Nadir and halted in
their quarter. The Jews took refuge against him in their homes, so he
ordered their date palms to be cut down and burnt. They shouted,
‘Muhammad, you have forbidden wonton destruction of property and have
blamed those who perpetrated it. Why are you doing this?'" Qur'an 59:5
"The palm trees you cut down or left standing intact was by Allah's
dispensation so that He might disgrace the transgressors."
Ishaq:437
"So Allah cast terror into the hearts of the Jews. Then the Prophet
said, ‘The Jews have declared war.'"
Tabari VII:159
"The Messenger of Allah besieged the Banu Nadir for fifteen days until
he had reduced them to a state of utter exhaustion, so that they would
give him what he wanted. The terms in which the Prophet made peace
with the Jews were: he would not shed their blood, he would expel them
from their lands and settlements, providing for every three of them a
camel and a water-skin." Ishaq:438 "The Jews loaded their camels with
their wives, children, and property. There were tambourines, pipes and
singing. They went to Khaybar with such splendor as had never been
seen from any tribe." Ishaq:438 "The Nadir left their property to
Muhammad and it became his personal possession, to do with it as he
wished."
Ishaq:438
"Allah wreaked His vengeance on the Jews and gave His Apostle power
over them and control to deal with them as he wished. Allah said, ‘I
turned out those who disbelieved of the Scripture People from their
homes. And in the next world I will torment them again with a painful
punishment in Hell. The palm trees you cut down were by Allah's
permission; they were uprooted on My order. It was not destruction but
it was vengeance from Allah to humble the evildoers. The spoil which
Allah gave the Apostle from the Nadir belongs to him."
Bukhari:V4B52N153
"The properties of Nadir which Allah had transferred to His Apostle as
Booty were not gained by the Muslims with their horses and camels. The
properties therefore, belonged especially to Allah's Apostle who used
to give his family their yearly expenditure and spend what remained
thereof on arms and horses to be used in Allah's Cause."
Bukhari:V4B52N176
"Allah's Apostle said, ‘You Muslims will fight the Jews till some of
them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, "O
Abdullah (slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill
him."'"
Bukhari:V4B52N177
"Allah's Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you
fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding
will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."'"
Ishaq:441
"A man who had neither shown treachery nor bad faith haply had a
change of fortune and took revenge, cutting down their palm trees and
killing the Nadir. A sharp sword in the hand of a brave man kills his
adversary. The rabbis were disgraced for they denied mighty Lord
Allah." Ishaq:442 "Sword in hand we brought down the Nadir. By
Muhammad's order we beguiled them."
Tabari VIII:7
"The Quraysh said: ‘Jews, you are the people of the first Scripture,
and you have knowledge about the subject on which we and Muhammad have
come to differ. Is our religion better or his?' ‘Your religion is
better,' they said. ‘You are closer to the truth than he.'"
Ishaq:450
"They are the ones concerning whom Allah revealed: ‘Have you not seen
those to whom a portion of the Scripture has been given? They believe
in idols and false deities. They say, "These are more rightly guided
than those who believe?" - until the words, "Hell is sufficient for
their burning. They are jealous and Allah has cursed them."'" [4:51]
Tabari VIII:15
"When the news reached Muhammad, he sent Sa'd, chief of the Aws to
Ka'b. ‘If it is true, speak to me in words that we can understand but
that will be unintelligible to others. So he went out and found them
engaged in the worst of what had been reported. They slandered the
Messenger and said, ‘There is no treaty between us.' Sa'd reviled
them, and they reviled him. Sa'd was a man with a sharp temper. He
told the Jews, ‘Stop reviling him for the disagreement between us is
too serious for an exchange of taunts.'"
Ishaq:461
"Just before the noon prayers, Gabriel came to the Apostle wearing a
gold turban. He was riding a mule. He said, ‘Have you laid down your
weapons and stopped fighting, Muhammad?' ‘Yes,' he replied. Gabriel
said, ‘The angels have not laid down their arms! I've just returned
from pursuing the enemy. Allah commands you to march to the Qurayza.
I, too, will attack the Jews and shake them out of their homes.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N443-8
"When the Prophet returned from the Trench, laid down his arms and
took a bath, Gabriel came to him covered in dust. "Why have you laid
down your sword? We angels have not set them down yet. It's time to go
out against them.' The Prophet said, ‘Where to go?' Gabriel said,
‘This way,' pointing towards the Qurayza. So the Prophet went out to
besiege them."
Bukhari:V5B59N444
"The dust rose in the streets of Medina as Gabriel's regiment marched
through. The angels joined Allah's Apostle in attacking the Qurayza
Jews."
Ishaq:461
"The Messenger commanded a crier to announce that all should heed and
obey. He ordered that none should perform the afternoon prayer until
after they reached the Qurayza settlement. The Prophet sent Ali ahead
with his war banner against the Jews, and the Muslims hastened to it.
Ali advanced toward their homes and heard insulting language from the
Jews about Allah's Messenger. Ali ran back and told the Prophet that
the Jews were rascals and that there was no need for him to go near
those wicked men. ‘Why?' Muhammad asked. ‘Have you heard them insult
me?' ‘Yes,' Ali answered. ‘Had they seen me,' Allah's Apostle replied,
‘they would not have said anything of the sort.'"
Tabari VIII:28
"Before reaching the Qurayza, Muhammad greeted his Companions. ‘Has
anyone passed you?' he asked. ‘Yes, Prophet,' they replied. ‘Dihyah
ibn Khalifah passed us on a white mule with a brocade covered saddle.'
Allah's Apostle said, ‘That was Gabriel. He was sent to the Qurayza to
shake their homes and terrorize them.'"
Tabari VIII:29
"The Prophet said, ‘No one should pray the afternoon prayer until they
are in the territory of the Qurayza because warfare against the Jews
is incumbent upon Muslims.'"
Ishaq:461
"The Muslims had been totally occupied with warlike preparations. They
refused to pray until they had come upon the Jews in accordance with
Muhammad's order. Allah did not find fault with them in His Book, nor
did the Messenger reprimand them for it."
Tabari VIII:28
"When the Messenger approached the Jews, he said, ‘You brothers of
apes! Allah shamed you and cursed you.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N449
"On the day of the Qurayza siege, Allah's Apostle said to Hassan,
‘Abuse them with your poems, for Gabriel is with you.'"
Ishaq:461
"Muhammad besieged them for twenty-five nights. When the siege became
too severe, Allah terrorized them. After the siege exhausted and
terrorized them, the Jews felt certain that the Apostle would not
leave them until he had exterminated them. So they decided to talk to
Ka'b Asad. He said, ‘Jews, you see what has befallen you. I shall
propose three alternatives. Take whichever one you please.' He said,
‘Swear allegiance to Muhammad and accept him; for it has become clear
to you that he is a prophet sent from Allah. It is he that you used to
find mentioned in your scripture book. Then you will be secure in your
lives, your property, your children, and your wives.'" Tabari VIII:30
"The Jews said, ‘We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for
the Qur'an.' Asad said, ‘Since you reject this proposal, then kill
your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions
as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry
you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you
shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, ‘Why would we
kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"
Ishaq:462
"Then the Jews asked, ‘Send us Abu Lubaba, one of the Aws,' for they
were confederates, ‘so that we can ask his advice.' The Prophet
complied and the Jews grabbed hold of him. The women and children were
crying, so he felt pity for them. They said, ‘Lubaba, do you think we
should submit to Muhammad's judgment?' ‘Yes,' he said. But he pointed
with his hand to his throat, indicating that it would be slaughter.
Lubaba later said, ‘As soon as my feet moved, I knew that I had
betrayed Allah's Apostle. He rushed away and tied himself to a pillar
in the mosque. He cried, ‘I will not leave this spot until Allah
forgives me for what I've done. I betrayed His Apostle.'" Ishaq:462/
Tabari VIII:32 "I heard Allah's Apostle laughing at daybreak; so I
said, ‘Why are you laughing, Prophet? May Allah make you laugh
heartily!' He replied, ‘Lubaba has been forgiven.'" Ishaq:463 "He
vanished into the night. It is not known to this day what happened to
him. Some allege that he was bound with a rotten rope and cast away."
Tabari VIII:33
"In the morning, the Jews submitted to the judgment of Allah's
Messenger. The Aws [Medina Muslims] leapt up and said, ‘Muhammad, they
are our allies. You know what you did the other day with the allies of
the Khazraj [another tribe of Medina Muslims]!' Before besieging the
Qurayza, the Messenger had besieged the Qaynuqa, who were the
confederates of the Khazraj. They had submitted to his judgment and
were banished."
Bukhari:V5B59N448
"Sa'd said, ‘O Allah! You know that there is nothing more beloved to
me than to fight in Your Cause against those who disbelieve Your
Apostle. If there remains any fight with the infidels, then keep me
alive till I fight against them for Your sake.'"
Ishaq:463
"En route to Muhammad, the Aws said, ‘Treat our client well for the
Prophet has put you in charge of this matter. After many requests,
Sa'd said, ‘The time has come for Sa'd, in the Cause of Allah, not to
be influenced by anyone's reproach.' Some of the people who heard him,
announced the impending death of the Qurayza before Sa'd Mu'adh
reached them because of the words he had said."
Ishaq:463
Tabari VIII:34
"When Sa'd reached the Messenger of Allah and the Muslims, the Prophet
said, ‘Pass judgment on them.' Sa'd replied, ‘I pass judgment that
their men shall be killed, their women and children made captives, and
their property divided.' Allah's Apostle proclaimed, ‘You have passed
judgment on the Jews with the judgment of Allah and the judgment of
His Messenger.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N362
"So the Prophet killed the Qurayza men. He distributed their women,
children and property among the Muslims."
Tabari VIII:39
"After the affair of the Qurayza ended, the wound of Sa'd broke open.
He prayed saying, ‘O Allah, You know that there are no men whom I
would rather fight and kill than men who called Your Messenger a
liar.'"
Qur'an 33:26
"Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into
their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made
you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a
land which you had not traversed before." [Version two:] "And He drove
the People of the Scripture down from their homes and cast panic into
their hearts. Some you killed, and you made some captive. And He
caused you to inherit their farms, houses, wealth, and land you have
not trodden."
Ishaq:464
"The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned
them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is
still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent
for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were
brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.
As they were being taken in small groups to the Prophet, they said to
one another, ‘What do you think will be done to us?' Someone said, ‘Do
you not understand. On each occasion do you not see that the summoner
never stops? He does not discharge anyone. And that those who are
taken away do not come back. By God, it is death!' The affair
continued until the Messenger of Allah had finished with them all."
Tabari VIII:40
"Allah's Apostle commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground
for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off
their heads in his presence."
Tabari VIII:35
Ishaq:464
"Huyayy, the enemy of Allah, was brought out. He was wearing a rose-
colored suit of clothes that he had torn all over with fingertip-sized
holes so that it would not be taken as booty. His hands were bound to
his neck with a rope. When he looked at Muhammad he said, ‘I do not
regret opposing you. Whoever forsakes God will be damned.' He sat down
and was beheaded."
Ishaq:464
Tabari VIII:36
"According to Aisha, one Jewish woman was killed. She was by my side,
talking with me while Allah's Messenger was killing her men in the
marketplace."
Tabari VIII:38
"The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys
who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided
the wealth, wives, and children of the Qurayza Jews among the
Muslims."
Ishaq:465
"When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of
generosity to us."
Ishaq:465
"Then the Apostle divided the property, wives, and children of the
Qurayza among the Muslims. Allah's Messenger took his fifth of the
booty. He made known on that day the extra shares for horses and their
riders - giving the horse two shares and the rider one. It was the
first booty in which lots were cast."
Tabari VIII:38
"According to this example (Sunnah), the procedure of the Messenger of
Allah in the divisions of booty became a precedent which was followed
in subsequent raids."
Tabari VIII:39
"Then the Messenger of Allah sent Zayd with some of the Qurayza
captives to Najd, and in exchange for them he purchased horses and
arms."
Tabari VIII:38
"The Prophet selected for himself from among the Jewish women of the
Qurayza, Rayhanah. She became his concubine. When he predeceased her,
she was still in his possession. When the Messenger of Allah took her
as a captive, she showed herself averse to Islam and insisted on
Judaism."
Ishaq:466
"The Apostle chose one of the Jewish women for himself. Her name was
Rayhanah. She remained with him until she died, in his power. The
Apostle proposed to marry her and put the veil on her but she said,
‘Leave me under your power, for that will be easier. She showed a
repugnance towards Islam when she was captured."
Ishaq:466
"Allah sent down [a surah] concerning the Trench and Qurayza raid. The
account is found in the Allied Troops. In it He mentions their trial
and His kindness to the Muslims."
Ishaq:468
"Allah brought down the People of the Scripture Book. I forced the
Qurayza from their homes and cast terror into their hearts. Some you
slew, and some you took captive. You killed their men and enslaved
their women and children. And I caused you to inherit their land,
their dwellings, and their property. Allah can do all things.'"
Ishaq:479
"Slain in Allah's religion, Sa'd inherits Paradise with the martyrs.
His was a noble testimony. When he pronounced his verdict on the
Qurayza, he did not judge on his own volition. His judgment and
Allah's were one. Sa'd is among those who sold his life for the Garden
of Bliss." Ishaq:469 "An Ansar [Muslim] recited this poem: ‘The throne
of Allah shook for only one man: Sa'd the brave and bold, a glorious
leader, a knight ever ready. Stepping into the battle, he cut heads to
pieces."
Ishaq:469
"On the day the Qurayza Jews were slain, one Muslim was martyred. A
stone was thrown on him and it inflicted a shattering wound. The
Apostle said, ‘He will have the reward of two martyrs.'"
Ishaq:475
"Allah commanded that horses should be kept for His enemy in the fight
so they might vex them. We obeyed our Prophet's orders when he called
us to war. When he called for violent efforts we made them. The
Prophet's command is obeyed for he is truly believed. He will give us
victory, glory, and a life of ease. Those [Jews] who call Muhammad a
liar disbelieve and go astray. They attacked our religion and would
not submit."
Ishaq:481
"The Apostle slew them in their own town. With our troops he
surrounded their homes. We shouted out cries in the heat of battle.
The Jews were given the Scripture and wasted it. Being blind, [the
illiterate man said] they strayed from the Torah. You Jews disbelieved
the Qur'an and yet you have tasted the confirmation of what it said.
May Allah make our raid on them immortal. May fire burn in their
quarter. They will no longer ruin our lands. You [Jews] have no place
here, so be off!"
Ishaq:480
"The Qurayza met their misfortune [now there's an understated word].
In humiliation they found no helper. A calamity worse than that which
fell upon the Nadir befell them. On that day Allah's Apostle came to
them like a brilliant moon. We left them with blood upon them like a
pool. They lay prostrate with the vultures circling round."
Bukhari:V4B52N153
_ G O D _
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......<snip>.....irrelevant crap has been carefully removed...........
You must be very ignorant, to make such a stupid equation.
Only a COck-sucking sectarian retard like you would do that....
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drahcir
For anyone interested, this post can be a bit confusing. The reference
is ABOVE the quote, not below.
drahcir
> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrotenews:f4cfda8d-434a-40da...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> ......<snip>.....irrelevant crap has been carefully removed...........
>
> You must be very ignorant, to make such a stupid equation.
> Only a COck-sucking sectarian retard like you would do that....
The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent and make no
sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
_ G O D _
news:354bc8cd-2064-4392...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent and make no
> sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
_ G O D _
> sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
drahcir
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:354bc8cd-2064-4392...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent and make no
> > sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
>
> Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
> dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
There is no such thing as "semitism", GOD. As strange as it may seem,
it appears GOD is a moron.
_ G O D _
news:464e386b-dcba-4160...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
> There is no such thing as "semitism"....
Only a COck-sucking imbecile
like you would assert such crap....
Dermot Goldstein
<justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 25, 4:53=A0pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
>> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:354bc8cd-2064-4392-a9eb=
>-ac86f...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent and make no
>> > sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
>>
>> Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
>> dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
>
>There is no such thing as "semitism", GOD. As strange as it may seem,
>it appears GOD is a moron.
It's actually in the dictionary (dictionary.com, at least). And
please excuse the change of name (again).
drahcir
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:57:30 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>
> >On Nov 25, 4:53=A0pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
> >> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:354bc8cd-2064-4392-a9eb=
>
> >> > The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent and make no
> >> > sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
>
> >> Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
> >> dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
>
> >There is no such thing as "semitism", GOD. As strange as it may seem,
> >it appears GOD is a moron.
>
> It's actually in the dictionary (dictionary.com, at least).
Well, you're right. Here's what it says:
1. Semitic characteristics, esp. the ways, ideas, influence, etc., of
the Jewish people.
2. a word or idiom peculiar to, derived from, or characteristic of a
Semitic language, esp. of Hebrew.
Neither one of the above can be classified as a "dogma".
drahcir
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:464e386b-dcba-4160...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > There is no such thing as "semitism"....
>
> Only a COck-sucking imbecile
> like you would assert such crap....
Is that any way for GOD to speak? You're not only a moron, you're a
primitive, rude moron.
_ G O D _
"drahcir" <justrich...@gmail.com> wrote
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> "_ G O D _" wrote:
> > "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote
>> news:464e386b-dcba-4160...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > There is no such thing as "semitism"....
>>
>> Only a COck-sucking imbecile
>> like you would assert such crap....
>
> Is that any way for GOD to speak? You're not
> only a moron, you're a primitive, rude moron.
I'm just being straight forward with you, COck-sucker.
Because even kindergarteners know what the prefix
"anti" stand for. Hence, the following word must exist...
The dogma of word Semitism is based upon a Bible
fairy tale, where Sem was oldest (of 12) son of Noah....
You see, I'm not a sectarian like you, but know things....
Seon Ferguson
are myths. The Jews were just some tribe. They were never even in Egypt.
Gawd your deluded.
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Qur'an 2:61
>
> "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were
> visited with Allah's wrath."
> Qur'an 2:59
>
>
> "The wicked [Jews] changed and perverted the word We [Allah] had
> spoken to a word distorted." Because of their egregious behavior, the
> Jews "became like apes despised." [Allah mad Christians into swine].
> Qur'an 8:39
>
> "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is
> Islam."
> Qur'an 3:3
>
> "Later, in the train of the prophets, We [Allah] sent Jesus, son of
> Mary, confirming the Torah which had been sent down before him, and
> gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light, which corroborated
> the earlier Torah." [Judaism and Christianity are defined by Islam.]
> Qur'an 8:12
>
> "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: �Wipe the infidels
> who displace words from their (right) places, saying, �We hear and we
> disobey' with a twist of their tongues they slander Faith.... Allah
> has cursed them for disbelief."
>
> Qur'an 4:47
>
> Talking directly to Jews
>
> "O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given,
> believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what
> was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all
> recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the
> Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be executed."
> Qur'an 4:160
>
> "For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain
> (foods) in that they hindered many from Allah's Way, that they took
> usury, though they were forbidden, and that they devoured men's wealth
> on false pretenses, We have prepared for those among them who reject
> [Islamic] Faith a painful doom."
> Qur'an 5:59
>
> "Say: �People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason
> than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us
> and that which came before?' Say: �Shall I point out to you something
> Islam and reviled it, so Allah sent down, �Allah knows best about your
> enemies. Some of the Jews change words from their contexts and say:
> "We hear and disobey," twisting their tongues and attacking the
> religion so Allah cursed them.'"
> Tabari VIII:121
>
> "Ali struck the Jew with a swift blow that split his helmet, neck
> protector, and head, landing in his rear teeth. And the Muslims
> entered the city. Muhammad conquered the [Jewish] neighborhood.
> Safiyah was brought to him, and another woman with her. Bilal led them
> past some of the Jews we had slain including the woman's dead husband.
> When she saw them, the woman with Safiyah cried out, slapped her face,
> and poured dust on her head. When Allah's Prophet saw her, he said,
> �Take this she-devil away from me!'"
> Bukhari:V4B53N380
>
> "Umar expelled all the Jews and Christians from Arabia. Allah's
> Apostle after conquering Khaybar thought of expelling the Jews from
> the land which, after he conquered it, belonged to Allah, Allah's
> Apostle and the Muslims. But the Jews requested Allah's Apostle to
> leave them there on the condition that they would do the labor and get
> half of the fruits (the land would yield). Allah's Apostle said, �We
> shall keep you on these terms as long as we wish.' Thus they stayed
> till the time of Umar's Caliphate when he expelled them."
> Tabari VIII:130
>
> "The Messenger said during his final illness, �Two religions cannot
> coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.' Umar investigated the matter, then
> sent to the Jews, saying: �Allah has given permission for you to be
> expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two
> religions cannot coexist in Arabia."
> Ishaq:517
>
> "Khaybar was stormed by the Apostle's squadron, fully armed, powerful,
> and strong. It brought certain humiliation with Muslim men in its
> midst. We attacked and they met their doom. Muhammad conquered the
> Jews in fighting that day as they opened their eyes to our dust."
> Ishaq:524
>
> "We cannot accept the oaths of Jews. Their infidelity is so great they
> swear falsely."
> Qur'an 59:14
>
> "They [Jews] will not fight against you save in fortified townships.
> Their hostility and hatred amongst themselves is strong: you would
> think they were united, but their hearts they are divided. That is
> because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense."
> Ishaq:245
>
> "Do you love Jews and their religion, you liver-hearted ass, and not
> Muhammad? Their religion will never march with ours.... Jews make
> false professions about Islam. So Allah sent down: �Satan wishes to
> lead them astray."
> Ishaq:248
>
> "Allah increases their sickness. A tormented doom awaits the Jews.
> Allah said, �They are mischief makers. They are fools. The Jews deny
> "The Jews say: �Allah's hands are fettered.' Be their hands tied up
> "Allah's Apostle said, �Plague is a means of torture sent on the
> Israelis.'"
> Bukhari:V2B23N457
>
> "The Prophet went out after sunset and heard a dreadful voice. He
> said, �The Jews are being punished in their graves.'"
> Qur'an 17:7
>
> "We shall rouse Our (Muslim) slaves to shame and ravage you (Jews),
> disfiguring your faces. They will enter the Temple as before and
> destroy, laying to waste all that they conquer."
> Bukhari:V1B4N147
>
> "People say, �Whenever you sit for answering the call of nature, you
> should not face the Qiblah of Jerusalem.' I told them. �Once I went up
> the roof of our house and I saw Allah's Apostle answering the call of
> nature while sitting on two bricks facing Jerusalem."
> Ishaq:239
>
> "About this time Jewish rabbis showed hostility to the Apostle in
> envy, hatred, and malice, because Allah had chosen His Apostle from
> the Arabs. The Jews considered the Prophet a liar and strove against
> Islam."
> Ishaq:239
>
> "Jewish rabbis used to annoy the Apostle with questions, introducing
> confusion." "Qur'ans used to come down in reference to their
> questions."
> Ishaq:240
>
> "Labid bewitched Allah's Apostle so that he could not come at his
> wives. These Jewish rabbis opposed the apostle, they asked questions
> and stirred up trouble against Islam trying to extinguish it."
> Ishaq:240
>
> "I concealed the matter from the Jews and then went to the Apostle and
> said, �The Jews are a nation of liars and I want you to give me a
> house and hide me from them. If they learn I've become a Muslim,
> they'll utter slanderous lies against me.' So the prophet gave me a
> house, and when the Jews came, I emerged and said, �O Jews, fear Allah
> and accept what He has sent you. For you know that he is the Apostle
> of Allah. You will find him described in your Torah and even named.'
> They accused me of lying and reviled me. I told Muhammad, �The Jews
> are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.'"
> Ishaq:241
>
> "Mukhayriq was a learned rabbi owning much property in date palms. He
> recognized the Apostle by his description and felt a predilection for
> his religion. He violated the Sabbath to fight on behalf of Islam and
> was killed in battle. I am told the Prophet used to say, �Mukhayriq is
> the best of the Jews [a dead one].' The Apostle took his property."
> Ishaq:242
>
> "Julas the Jew used to say, �If Muhammad is right we are worse than
> donkeys.' Allah sent down concerning him: �They swear that they did
> They used to say, �Soon a prophet will be sent whom we shall follow.'
> When Allah sent his Apostle from the Quraysh and we followed him they
> denied him. Allah revealed, �When there comes to him one they
> recognize, they deny him. They are wretched, so Allah cursed them, and
> He will give them a shameful punishment.' The double anger is His
> wrath because they have disregarded the Torah and anger because they
> disbelieved in this Prophet whom Allah has sent to them." [2:89]
>
> Ishaq:254
>
> Allah talks to Jews
>
> "Long for death [Jews], if you are truthful. Pray that God will kill
> whichever one of us is the most false. The Jews refused the Prophet's
> dare." "Allah said to His Prophet, �They will never accept your dare
> because of their past deeds. But they recognize you from the knowledge
> they have. Yet they deny. Had they accepted your dare, not a single
> Jew would have remained alive on the earth." [2:94]
> Ishaq:254
>
> "We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. The Jew knows the
> shameful thing that awaits him in the next life because he has wasted
> the knowledge he has." [2:96]
> Ishaq:255
>
> "Jewish rabbis came to the Apostle and asked him to answer four
> questions saying, �If you do so we will follow you, testify to your
> truth, and believe in you.' They began, �Why does a boy resemble his
> mother when the semen comes from the father?' Muhammad replied, �Do
> you not know that a man's semen is white and thick and a woman's is
> yellow and thin? The likeness goes with that which comes to the top.'
> �Agreed,' the rabbis proclaimed.... The rabbis said. �But Muhammad,
> your spirit is an enemy to us, an angel who comes only with violence
> and the shedding of blood, and were it not for that we would follow
> you."
> Ishaq:255
>
> "So Allah sent down concerning them: �When the Apostle comes to them
> from Allah confirming that which they have received in scripture, they
> put it behind their backs as if they did not know it. They follow that
> which Satan read concerning the kingdom of Solomon - sorcery.' One of
> the rabbis said, �Don't you wonder at Muhammad? He alleges that
> Solomon was a prophet, and yet he was nothing but a sorcerer.' So
> Allah sent down, �Solomon did not disbelieve but Satan did, practicing
> sorcery.'" [2:101]
> Ishaq:256
>
> "The Apostle wrote a letter to the Jews of Khaybar [before he
> annihilated them]. In the name of Allah, from Muhammad the Apostle of
> Allah, friend and brother of Moses who confirms what Moses brought
> [the Torah]. Allah says to you, �O Scripture folk, and you will find
> it in your scripture "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those with him
> are severe against the unbelievers. You see them bowing, falling
> prostrate, seeking bounty, and acceptance. The mark of their
> prostrations is on their foreheads." That is their likeness in the
> Torah and in the Gospels.'"
> Ishaq:256
>
> "The Jews used to ask Muhammad questions which annoyed and confused
> him." Ishaq:257 "Your situation seems obscure to us, Muhammad."
> Ishaq:257
>
> "�O Jews, fear Allah and submit, for you used to hope for the
> Messiah's help against the Arabs when we were pagans. You told us that
> he would be sent and then told us about him.' A Jew responded,
> �Muhammad has not shown us anything we recognize as prophetic. He is
> not the one we spoke to you about.' So Allah revealed, �We confirmed
> what they had, and We sent one they recognized, but they rejected him
> so We are cursing them.' The Jews replied, �No Covenant was ever made
> with us about Muhammad.'" "�Muhammad, you have not brought anything we
> recognize. And God has not sent down any sign or miracle suggesting
> that we should believe you.' So Allah said, �We have sent down to you
> plain signs and only evildoers disbelieve them.'"
> Ishaq:257
>
> "The Jews told Allah's Messenger, �Bring us a book. Bring us something
> down from heaven that we might read it.'"
> Ishaq:258
>
> "The Jews used to turn men away from Islam. So Allah said, �Many
> Scripture folk wish to make you unbelievers after you have believed.
> They are envious. Be indulgent until Allah gives you his orders [to
> rob them, rape them, sell them into slavery, and murder them.]"
> Ishaq:262
>
> "Some Muslims remained friends with Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an
> forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has
> already shown itself and what they conceal is worse." "You believe in
> their Book [even though you can not read] while they deny your book,
> so you have more right to hate them than they have to hate you."
> Ishaq:263
>
> "Abu Bakr went into a Jewish school [there is no mention of him ever
> going into a Muslim school] and found many pupils gathered around
> Finhas, a learned rabbi. Bakr told the Jews to fear Allah and submit.
> He told them that they would find that Muhammad was an Apostle written
> in the Torah and Gospels. Finhas replied, �Why does your god ask us to
> lend him money as your master pretends.' Abu was enraged and hit
> Finhas hard in the face [for telling the truth]. Were it not for the
> treaty between us I would cut off your head, you enemy of Allah. So
> Allah said, �They will taste Our punishment of burning.'"
> Ishaq:264
>
> "Allah revealed concerning Finhas and the other rabbis: �Allah issued
> orders to those who had received the Book: �You are to make it clear
> to men and not conceal it, yet they cast the Torah behind their backs
> and sold it for a small price. Wretched was their exchange. They will
> therefore receive a painful punishment.'"
> Ishaq:264
>
> "The Torah confirms what Muhammad brought. Rifa'a, a notable Jew,
> spoke to the Apostle, twisting his tongue: �Give us your attention,
> Muhammad, so that we can make you understand.' Then he attacked Islam
> and reviled it. So Allah sent down, �Allah knows about your enemies.
> Some Jews change words from their contexts and say: "We hear and
> disobey," twisting their tongues and attacking the religion. But Allah
> cursed them.'" [2:59 & 4:47]
> Ishaq:264
>
> "The Jewish rabbis knew that Muhammad had brought them the truth, but
> they denied that they knew it. They were obstinate. So Allah revealed,
> �People of the Book, believe in what we have sent down in confirmation
> of what you had been given before or We will efface your features and
> turn your face into your ass, cursing you.'"
> Ishaq:269
>
> "�Tell us when the Day of Doom will be, Muhammad, if you are a prophet
> as you say.' So Allah sent down, �They will ask you about the hour
> when it will come to pass. Say, only my Lord knows of it. None but He
> will reveal it at its proper time. Say, �Only Allah knows about it but
> most men do not know.' How can we follow you, Muhammad, when you have
> abandoned our Qiblah? And you do not allege that Uzayr [who knows?] is
> the son of God.' So Allah revealed, �The Jews say that Uzayr is the
> son of God [no they don't] and the Christians say the Messiah is the
> son of God. That is what they say with their mouths, copying the
> speech of those who disbelieved in the earlier times. Allah fight
> them! How perverse are they?'"
> Ishaq:269
>
> "�For our part we don't see how your Qur'an recitals are arranged
> anything like our Torah is.' [So Muhammad who couldn't read said,]
> �You know quite well that the Qur'an is from Allah. You will find it
> written in the Torah which you have.'"
> Ishaq:269
>
> "�If men and jinn [demons] came together to produce its like they
> could not.' Finhas said, �Did men or jinn tell you this, Muhammad?'
> �You know full well that the Qur'an is from Allah and that I am the
> Apostle of Allah. You will find it written in the Torah you have.' The
> rabbi replied, �When God sends a prophet, He provides for him, so
> bring us a book that is divinely inspired that we may read it and
> determine if you are telling the truth. We can produce our Book.' So
> Allah revealed, concerning their words, �Though men and jinn should
> that you have broken the sanctity of the Sabbath, so We said: �Become
> monkeys despised and hated.' We made this punishment an example and a
> warning for those who fear Allah."
> Qur'an 2:79
>
> "But woe to the Jews who fake the Scriptures and say, �This is from
> God,' so that they might earn some profit thereby.' And woe to them
> for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn
> from it.'"
> Qur'an 2:80
>
> "Yet they (Jews) say: �The Fire will not touch us for more than a few
> drowned Pharaoh and saved Moses from the Egyptians. He said, �We have
> a better right to Moses than you do.'"
> Tabari VII:85
>
> "After Muhammad killed many Quraysh polytheists at Badr, the Jews were
> envious and behaved badly toward him, saying, �Muhammad has not met
> anyone who is good at fighting. Had he met us, he would have had a
> real battle.' They also infringed the treaty in various ways."
> Ishaq:232
>
> "The Jews shall contribute to the cost of war so long as they are
> fighting alongside the believers. The Jews have their religion, the
> Muslims have theirs. None of them shall go out to war unless they have
> Muhammad's permission. The Jews must pay, however, for as long as the
> war lasts. If any dispute or controversy should arise it must be
> referred to Allah and Muhammad, His Apostle. If the Jews are called to
> make peace they must, except in the case of Holy War. Allah approves
> of this document."
> Tabari VII:85
>
> "What happened to the Qaynuqa [the wealthiest Jewish tribe in Yathrib]
> was that Muhammad assembled them in their Marketplace and said, �Jews,
> beware lest Allah brings on you the kind of vengeance which He brought
> on the Quraysh. Accept Islam [submit] and become Muslims [surrender].
> You know that I am a Prophet. You will find me in your Scriptures and
> in Allah's Covenant with you.'"
> Ishaq:363
>
> "The Jews of the Qaynuqa replied, �Muhammad, do you think that we are
> like your people? Do not be deluded by the fact that you met a people
> with no knowledge and you made good use of your opportunity.'"
> Tabari VII:85
>
> "The Qaynuqa were the first Jews to infringe the agreement between
> them and the Messenger." [We are not told how they "infringed." "The
> campaign of the Prophet against the Banu Qaynuqa was in Shawwal (March
> 27, 624) in the second year of the Hijrah [migration from Mecca]."
> Tabari VII:86
>
> "Gabriel brought down the following verse to the Messenger: �If you
> apprehend treachery from any people (with whom you have a treaty),
> retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them.' [8:58] When Gabriel
> had finished delivering this verse, the Prophet said, �I fear the
> Qaynuqa.' It was on the basis of this verse that Muhammad advanced on
> them."
> Ishaq:363
>
> "Allah's Apostle besieged the Qaynuqa until they surrendered at his
> discretion unconditionally."
> Tabari VII:86
>
> "Abd Allah [a Yathrib chief] rose up when Allah had put them in his
> power, and said, �Muhammad, treat my ally well, for the Qaynuqa are a
> confederate of the Khazraj.' The Prophet ignored him, so Abd Allah
> repeated his request." Ishaq:363 "The Prophet turned away from him so
> Abd Allah put his hand on the collar of the Messenger's robe. Muhammad
> said, �Let go of me!' He was so angry his face turned black. Then he
> said, �Damn you, let me go!' Abd Allah replied, �No, by God, I will
> not let you go until you treat my ally humanely. There are seven
> hundred men among them who defended me from my foes when I needed
> their help. And now, you would mow them down in a single morning? By
> God I do not feel safe around here any more. I am afraid of what the
> future may have in store.' So the Messenger said, �You can have
> them.'"
> Tabari VII:87
>
> "The Prophet said, �Let them go; may Allah curse them, and may he
> curse Abd Allah with them.' So the Muslims let them go. Then Muhammad
> [went back on his word and] gave orders to expel the Jews. Allah gave
> their property as booty to his Messenger. The Qaynuqa did not have any
> farmland, as they were goldsmiths. The Prophet took many weapons
> belonging to them and the tools of their trade. The person who took
> charge of their expulsion from Yathrib along with their children was
> Ubadah. He accompanied them as far as Dhubab, saying: �The farther you
> go the better.'"
> Bukhari:V5B59N362
>
> "He exiled all the Qaynuqa Jews from Medina."
> Ishaq:364
>
> "Muslims, take not Jews and Christians as friends. Whoever protects
> them becomes one of them, they become diseased, and will earn a
> similar fate."
> Ishaq:364
>
> "�I fear this change of circumstance may end up overtaking us.' So
> Allah replied, �He will be sorry for his thoughts. True believers
> perform prostrations, they pay the tax, they bow in homage, and
> renounce their agreements with the Jews. They are Hezbollah - Allah's
> Party.'"
> Qur'an 59:2
>
> "It was Allah who drove the (Jewish) People from their [Yathrib] homes
> and into exile. They refused to believe. They imagined that their
> strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah's Torment came
> at them from where they did not suspect. He terrorized them. Their
> homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson. This is My warning. Had I not
> decreed the expulsion of the Jews, banishing them to the desert, I
> would have punished them. They shall taste the torment of Hell Fire."
> Qur'an 59:4 "That is because they resisted Allah and His Messenger. If
> any one resists Allah, verily Allah is severe in Punishment."
> Qur'an 59:6
>
> "What Allah gave as booty to His Messenger, He has taken away from the
> Jews. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whom He will. Whatever
> booty Allah has given to Muhammad and taken away from the (Jewish)
> people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Apostle."
> Tabari VII:94
>
> "The Murder of Ka'b bin Ashraf, The Evil Genius of the Jews: The
> Prophet sent messengers to the people of Medina announcing the good
> news of the victory granted to him by Allah at Badr. They listed the
> names of the polytheists they had killed." Ishaq:365 "Ka'b bin Ashraf
> was from the Jewish clan of Nadir. When he heard the news, he said,
> �Can this be true? Did Muhammad actually kill these people? These were
> fine men. If Muhammad has slain them, then the belly of the earth is a
> better place for us than its surface!'" Ishaq:365 "When the enemy of
> Allah became convinced the report was true, he set out for Mecca. He
> began to arouse people against Muhammad [i.e., he exposed him]. He
> recited verses in sympathy for the Quraysh men Muhammad had cast into
> the pit. Ka'b Ashraf composed the following poetic lines: �The blood
> spilled at Badr calls to its people. They cry and weep. The best men
> were slain and thrown into a pit.'" Ishaq:365 "Drive off that fool of
> yours so that you might be safe from talk that makes no sense. Why do
> you taunt those who mourn over their dead? They lived good lives, and
> as such we must remember them. But now you have become like jackals."
> Tabari VII:94
>
> "The Prophet said, �Who will rid me of Ashraf?' Muhammad bin Maslamah,
> said, �I will rid you of him, Messenger of Allah. I will kill him.'
> �Do it then,' he said, �if you can.'"
> Bukhari:V4B52N270
>
> "The Prophet said, �Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has
> really hurt Allah and His Apostle?' Muhammad bin Maslama said, �O
> Allah's Apostle! Do you want me to kill him?' He replied in the
> affirmative."
> Ishaq:365
>
> "�Who will rid me of Ashraf?' Maslama said, �I will deal with him for
> you. O Apostle, I will kill him.' Muhammad said, �Do so if you can.'"
> Ishaq:365
> Tabari VII:94
>
> "Muhammad bin Maslamah said, �O Messenger, we shall have to tell
> lies.' �Say what you like,' Muhammad replied. �You are absolved, free
> to say whatever you must.'"
> Tabari VII:94
> Ishaq:367
>
> "Maslamah made a plan to kill Ka'b, the enemy of Allah. Before they
> went to him, they sent Abu ahead. When he arrived, they spoke together
> for a while. They recited verses, for Abu was something of a poet.
> Then Abu said, �Ka'b, I have come to you about a matter which I want
> you to keep secret.' �Go ahead,' he replied. �The arrival of the
> Prophet Muhammad has been an affliction for us.' Abu said, �Most Arabs
> are now hostile to us. We cannot travel along the roads, and the
> result is that our families are facing ruin. We are all suffering.'
> Ka'b replied, �I warned you that things would turn out like this.' Abu
> said, �I would like you to sell us some food. We will give you some
> collateral and make a firm contract. Please treat us generously.'"
> Tabari VII:95
>
> "Abu said, �We will deposit sufficient weapons with you to guarantee
> the payment of our debt.' Abu wanted to fool the Jew so that he would
> not be suspicious about the weapons when they came bearing them. Abu
> went back to his companions, informed them of what had happened. He
> told them to grab their swords and join him. Before leaving, they went
> to the house of the Messenger. Muhammad walked with them as far as
> Baqi al-Gharqad. Then he sent them off, saying, �Go in Allah's name; O
> Allah, help them [assassinate the outspoken Jew]!' Then the Prophet
> went back home. It was a moonlit night, and they went forward until
> they reached Ka'b's house."
> Muslim:B19N4436
>
> "Muhammad said to his companions: �As he comes down, I will extend my
> hands towards his head, I will touch his hair and smell it. When you
> see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. When I hold him fast,
> you do your job.'"
> Bukhari:V5B59N369
>
> "Muhammad said. �I have never smelt a better perfume than this,' so
> that Ka'b would relax his guard. �Will you allow me to smell your
> head?' Then Abu thrust his hand into the hair near his temple. When
> Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said, �Strike the enemy of
> Allah!' So they smote him."
> Ishaq:368
>
> "Their swords rained blows upon him, but to no avail. Muhammad bin
> Maslamah said, �When I saw that they were ineffective, I remembered a
> long, thin dagger which I had in my scabbard. I took hold of it. By
> this time the enemy of Allah had shouted so loudly lamps had been lit
> in the homes around us. I plunged the dagger into his breast and
> pressed upon it so heavily that it reached his pubic region. Allah's
> enemy fell to the ground.'"
> Tabari VII:97
> Ishaq:368
>
> "We carried Ka'b's head and brought it to Muhammad during the night.
> We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain
> Allah's enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf's head before his
> feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated
> and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah's Cause. Our
> attack upon Allah's enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no
> Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.'"
> Ishaq:368
>
> "Ka'b's body was left prostrate. After his fall, all the Nadir Jews
> were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad's order
> we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him
> to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night,
> bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our
> deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet."
> Tabari VII:97
>
> "The next morning, the Jews were in a state of fear on account of our
> attack upon the enemy of Allah. After the assassination, the Prophet
> declared, �Kill every Jew.'"
> Bukhari:V1B1N6
>
> "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."
> Tabari VII:97
> Ishaq:369
>
> "Thereupon Mas'ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with
> whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him.
> The Muslim's brother complained, saying, �Why did you kill him? You
> have much fat in you belly from his charity.' Mas'ud answered, �By
> Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have
> cut off your head.' Wherein the brother said, �Any religion that can
> bring you to this is indeed wonderful!'"
> Qur'an 59:14
>
> "The Jews will not unite and fight against you except from behind
> walls. They hate themselves. You would think they were united, but
> their hearts are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people
> devoid of sense. Like those who recently preceded them [the Meccans at
> Badr], they [the Jews who were just sent into the desert to die] have
> tasted the evil result of their conduct. And for them a grievous
> punishment."
> Qur'an 59:16
>
> "They [the Jews] are like Satan when he tells man, �Not to believe,'
> When (man) denies, Satan says, �I have nothing to do with you. I fear
> Allah, the Lord of men and jinn!'"
> Qur'an 59:17
>
> "Both [Jews and Satan] will go into the Fire of Hell, dwelling therein
> forever. Such is the reward of the Zalimun (disbelievers and
> polytheists)."
> Qur'an 62:5
>
> "The likeness of those who are entrusted with the Taurat (Torah), who
> subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of an ass which
> carries huge books (but understands them not). Wretched is the
> likeness of folk who deny the Verses of Allah."
> Qur'an 62:6
>
> "Say: �You Jews! If you think that you are friends to Allah, to the
> exclusion of (other) men, then desire death, if you are truthful!' But
> never will they long (for death), because of what their hands have
> done before them! Allah knows well the polytheists! Say: �The Death
> from which you flee will truly overtake you.'"
>
> Qur'an 3:65
>
> Allah speaks directly to Jews
>
> "You People of the Book! Why dispute you about Abraham, when the Law
> and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have you no
> understanding? Ah! You are those who fell to disputing (even) in
> matters of which you had some knowledge! But why dispute in matters of
> which you have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and you who know
> not!"
> Qur'an 3:67
>
> "Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim,
> surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with
> Allah."
> Qur'an 3:77
>
> "As for those who sell for a small price the covenant and faith they
> owe to Allah and their own plighted word for a small price, they shall
> have no portion in the Hereafter. Nor will Allah speak to them or look
> at them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He cleanse them: They shall
> have a grievous torment, a painful doom. There is among them a section
> who distort the Book with their tongues. (As they read) you would
> think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book; and they say,
> �That is from God,' but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a
> lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!"
> Qur'an 3:84
>
> "Say (Muhammad): �We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us
> and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob
> and the tribes [of Israel], and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus,
> and the prophets, from their Lord. We make no distinction between any
> of them, and unto Him we have surrendered, bowing our will (in
> Islam).'"
> Qur'an 3:85
>
> "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Surrender), never will
> it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of
> those who are losers." Qur'an 3:87 "Of such the reward is that on them
> (rests) the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all men, all
> together. In that will they dwell; nor will their penalty of doom be
> lightened."
> Tabari VII:156
> Ishaq:437
>
> "In the fourth year of the Islamic Era the Prophet expelled the Nadir
> [a large Jewish community in Yathrib] from their homes.
> Tabari VII:158
>
> "Call Muhammad bin Maslamah to me.' When Muhammad came, he was told to
> go to the Jews and say, �Leave my country. You have intended
> treachery.' He went and said, �The Messenger orders you to depart from
> his country.' They replied, �We never thought that an Aws would come
> with such a message.' �Hearts have changed,' Muhammad said. �Islam has
> wiped out our old covenants.'"
> Ishaq:437
>
> "The Apostle ordered them to prepare for war and to march against
> them. Muhammad personally led his men against the Nadir and halted in
> their quarter. The Jews took refuge against him in their homes, so he
> ordered their date palms to be cut down and burnt. They shouted,
> �Muhammad, you have forbidden wonton destruction of property and have
> blamed those who perpetrated it. Why are you doing this?'" Qur'an 59:5
> "The palm trees you cut down or left standing intact was by Allah's
> dispensation so that He might disgrace the transgressors."
> Ishaq:437
>
> "So Allah cast terror into the hearts of the Jews. Then the Prophet
> said, �The Jews have declared war.'"
> Tabari VII:159
>
> "The Messenger of Allah besieged the Banu Nadir for fifteen days until
> he had reduced them to a state of utter exhaustion, so that they would
> give him what he wanted. The terms in which the Prophet made peace
> with the Jews were: he would not shed their blood, he would expel them
> from their lands and settlements, providing for every three of them a
> camel and a water-skin." Ishaq:438 "The Jews loaded their camels with
> their wives, children, and property. There were tambourines, pipes and
> singing. They went to Khaybar with such splendor as had never been
> seen from any tribe." Ishaq:438 "The Nadir left their property to
> Muhammad and it became his personal possession, to do with it as he
> wished."
> Ishaq:438
>
> "Allah wreaked His vengeance on the Jews and gave His Apostle power
> over them and control to deal with them as he wished. Allah said, �I
> turned out those who disbelieved of the Scripture People from their
> homes. And in the next world I will torment them again with a painful
> punishment in Hell. The palm trees you cut down were by Allah's
> permission; they were uprooted on My order. It was not destruction but
> it was vengeance from Allah to humble the evildoers. The spoil which
> Allah gave the Apostle from the Nadir belongs to him."
> Bukhari:V4B52N153
>
> "The properties of Nadir which Allah had transferred to His Apostle as
> Booty were not gained by the Muslims with their horses and camels. The
> properties therefore, belonged especially to Allah's Apostle who used
> to give his family their yearly expenditure and spend what remained
> thereof on arms and horses to be used in Allah's Cause."
> Bukhari:V4B52N176
>
> "Allah's Apostle said, �You Muslims will fight the Jews till some of
> them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, "O
> Abdullah (slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill
> him."'"
> Bukhari:V4B52N177
>
> "Allah's Apostle said, �The Hour will not be established until you
> fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding
> will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."'"
> Ishaq:441
>
> "A man who had neither shown treachery nor bad faith haply had a
> change of fortune and took revenge, cutting down their palm trees and
> killing the Nadir. A sharp sword in the hand of a brave man kills his
> adversary. The rabbis were disgraced for they denied mighty Lord
> Allah." Ishaq:442 "Sword in hand we brought down the Nadir. By
> Muhammad's order we beguiled them."
> Tabari VIII:7
>
> "The Quraysh said: �Jews, you are the people of the first Scripture,
> and you have knowledge about the subject on which we and Muhammad have
> come to differ. Is our religion better or his?' �Your religion is
> better,' they said. �You are closer to the truth than he.'"
> Ishaq:450
>
> "They are the ones concerning whom Allah revealed: �Have you not seen
> those to whom a portion of the Scripture has been given? They believe
> in idols and false deities. They say, "These are more rightly guided
> than those who believe?" - until the words, "Hell is sufficient for
> their burning. They are jealous and Allah has cursed them."'" [4:51]
> Tabari VIII:15
>
> "When the news reached Muhammad, he sent Sa'd, chief of the Aws to
> Ka'b. �If it is true, speak to me in words that we can understand but
> that will be unintelligible to others. So he went out and found them
> engaged in the worst of what had been reported. They slandered the
> Messenger and said, �There is no treaty between us.' Sa'd reviled
> them, and they reviled him. Sa'd was a man with a sharp temper. He
> told the Jews, �Stop reviling him for the disagreement between us is
> too serious for an exchange of taunts.'"
> Ishaq:461
>
> "Just before the noon prayers, Gabriel came to the Apostle wearing a
> gold turban. He was riding a mule. He said, �Have you laid down your
> weapons and stopped fighting, Muhammad?' �Yes,' he replied. Gabriel
> said, �The angels have not laid down their arms! I've just returned
> from pursuing the enemy. Allah commands you to march to the Qurayza.
> I, too, will attack the Jews and shake them out of their homes.'"
> Bukhari:V5B59N443-8
>
> "When the Prophet returned from the Trench, laid down his arms and
> took a bath, Gabriel came to him covered in dust. "Why have you laid
> down your sword? We angels have not set them down yet. It's time to go
> out against them.' The Prophet said, �Where to go?' Gabriel said,
> �This way,' pointing towards the Qurayza. So the Prophet went out to
> besiege them."
> Bukhari:V5B59N444
>
> "The dust rose in the streets of Medina as Gabriel's regiment marched
> through. The angels joined Allah's Apostle in attacking the Qurayza
> Jews."
> Ishaq:461
>
> "The Messenger commanded a crier to announce that all should heed and
> obey. He ordered that none should perform the afternoon prayer until
> after they reached the Qurayza settlement. The Prophet sent Ali ahead
> with his war banner against the Jews, and the Muslims hastened to it.
> Ali advanced toward their homes and heard insulting language from the
> Jews about Allah's Messenger. Ali ran back and told the Prophet that
> the Jews were rascals and that there was no need for him to go near
> those wicked men. �Why?' Muhammad asked. �Have you heard them insult
> me?' �Yes,' Ali answered. �Had they seen me,' Allah's Apostle replied,
> �they would not have said anything of the sort.'"
> Tabari VIII:28
>
> "Before reaching the Qurayza, Muhammad greeted his Companions. �Has
> anyone passed you?' he asked. �Yes, Prophet,' they replied. �Dihyah
> ibn Khalifah passed us on a white mule with a brocade covered saddle.'
> Allah's Apostle said, �That was Gabriel. He was sent to the Qurayza to
> shake their homes and terrorize them.'"
> Tabari VIII:29
>
> "The Prophet said, �No one should pray the afternoon prayer until they
> are in the territory of the Qurayza because warfare against the Jews
> is incumbent upon Muslims.'"
> Ishaq:461
>
> "The Muslims had been totally occupied with warlike preparations. They
> refused to pray until they had come upon the Jews in accordance with
> Muhammad's order. Allah did not find fault with them in His Book, nor
> did the Messenger reprimand them for it."
> Tabari VIII:28
>
> "When the Messenger approached the Jews, he said, �You brothers of
> apes! Allah shamed you and cursed you.'"
> Bukhari:V5B59N449
>
> "On the day of the Qurayza siege, Allah's Apostle said to Hassan,
> �Abuse them with your poems, for Gabriel is with you.'"
> Ishaq:461
>
> "Muhammad besieged them for twenty-five nights. When the siege became
> too severe, Allah terrorized them. After the siege exhausted and
> terrorized them, the Jews felt certain that the Apostle would not
> leave them until he had exterminated them. So they decided to talk to
> Ka'b Asad. He said, �Jews, you see what has befallen you. I shall
> propose three alternatives. Take whichever one you please.' He said,
> �Swear allegiance to Muhammad and accept him; for it has become clear
> to you that he is a prophet sent from Allah. It is he that you used to
> find mentioned in your scripture book. Then you will be secure in your
> lives, your property, your children, and your wives.'" Tabari VIII:30
> "The Jews said, �We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for
> the Qur'an.' Asad said, �Since you reject this proposal, then kill
> your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions
> as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry
> you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you
> shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, �Why would we
> kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"
> Ishaq:462
>
> "Then the Jews asked, �Send us Abu Lubaba, one of the Aws,' for they
> were confederates, �so that we can ask his advice.' The Prophet
> complied and the Jews grabbed hold of him. The women and children were
> crying, so he felt pity for them. They said, �Lubaba, do you think we
> should submit to Muhammad's judgment?' �Yes,' he said. But he pointed
> with his hand to his throat, indicating that it would be slaughter.
> Lubaba later said, �As soon as my feet moved, I knew that I had
> betrayed Allah's Apostle. He rushed away and tied himself to a pillar
> in the mosque. He cried, �I will not leave this spot until Allah
> forgives me for what I've done. I betrayed His Apostle.'" Ishaq:462/
> Tabari VIII:32 "I heard Allah's Apostle laughing at daybreak; so I
> said, �Why are you laughing, Prophet? May Allah make you laugh
> heartily!' He replied, �Lubaba has been forgiven.'" Ishaq:463 "He
> vanished into the night. It is not known to this day what happened to
> him. Some allege that he was bound with a rotten rope and cast away."
> Tabari VIII:33
>
> "In the morning, the Jews submitted to the judgment of Allah's
> Messenger. The Aws [Medina Muslims] leapt up and said, �Muhammad, they
> are our allies. You know what you did the other day with the allies of
> the Khazraj [another tribe of Medina Muslims]!' Before besieging the
> Qurayza, the Messenger had besieged the Qaynuqa, who were the
> confederates of the Khazraj. They had submitted to his judgment and
> were banished."
> Bukhari:V5B59N448
>
> "Sa'd said, �O Allah! You know that there is nothing more beloved to
> me than to fight in Your Cause against those who disbelieve Your
> Apostle. If there remains any fight with the infidels, then keep me
> alive till I fight against them for Your sake.'"
> Ishaq:463
>
> "En route to Muhammad, the Aws said, �Treat our client well for the
> Prophet has put you in charge of this matter. After many requests,
> Sa'd said, �The time has come for Sa'd, in the Cause of Allah, not to
> be influenced by anyone's reproach.' Some of the people who heard him,
> announced the impending death of the Qurayza before Sa'd Mu'adh
> reached them because of the words he had said."
> Ishaq:463
> Tabari VIII:34
>
> "When Sa'd reached the Messenger of Allah and the Muslims, the Prophet
> said, �Pass judgment on them.' Sa'd replied, �I pass judgment that
> their men shall be killed, their women and children made captives, and
> their property divided.' Allah's Apostle proclaimed, �You have passed
> judgment on the Jews with the judgment of Allah and the judgment of
> His Messenger.'"
> Bukhari:V5B59N362
>
> "So the Prophet killed the Qurayza men. He distributed their women,
> children and property among the Muslims."
> Tabari VIII:39
>
> "After the affair of the Qurayza ended, the wound of Sa'd broke open.
> He prayed saying, �O Allah, You know that there are no men whom I
> would rather fight and kill than men who called Your Messenger a
> liar.'"
> Qur'an 33:26
>
> "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into
> their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made
> you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a
> land which you had not traversed before." [Version two:] "And He drove
> the People of the Scripture down from their homes and cast panic into
> their hearts. Some you killed, and you made some captive. And He
> caused you to inherit their farms, houses, wealth, and land you have
> not trodden."
> Ishaq:464
>
> "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned
> them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is
> still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent
> for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were
> brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.
> As they were being taken in small groups to the Prophet, they said to
> one another, �What do you think will be done to us?' Someone said, �Do
> you not understand. On each occasion do you not see that the summoner
> never stops? He does not discharge anyone. And that those who are
> taken away do not come back. By God, it is death!' The affair
> continued until the Messenger of Allah had finished with them all."
> Tabari VIII:40
>
> "Allah's Apostle commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground
> for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off
> their heads in his presence."
> Tabari VIII:35
> Ishaq:464
>
> "Huyayy, the enemy of Allah, was brought out. He was wearing a rose-
> colored suit of clothes that he had torn all over with fingertip-sized
> holes so that it would not be taken as booty. His hands were bound to
> his neck with a rope. When he looked at Muhammad he said, �I do not
> �Leave me under your power, for that will be easier. She showed a
> repugnance towards Islam when she was captured."
> Ishaq:466
>
> "Allah sent down [a surah] concerning the Trench and Qurayza raid. The
> account is found in the Allied Troops. In it He mentions their trial
> and His kindness to the Muslims."
> Ishaq:468
>
> "Allah brought down the People of the Scripture Book. I forced the
> Qurayza from their homes and cast terror into their hearts. Some you
> slew, and some you took captive. You killed their men and enslaved
> their women and children. And I caused you to inherit their land,
> their dwellings, and their property. Allah can do all things.'"
> Ishaq:479
>
> "Slain in Allah's religion, Sa'd inherits Paradise with the martyrs.
> His was a noble testimony. When he pronounced his verdict on the
> Qurayza, he did not judge on his own volition. His judgment and
> Allah's were one. Sa'd is among those who sold his life for the Garden
> of Bliss." Ishaq:469 "An Ansar [Muslim] recited this poem: �The throne
> of Allah shook for only one man: Sa'd the brave and bold, a glorious
> leader, a knight ever ready. Stepping into the battle, he cut heads to
> pieces."
> Ishaq:469
>
> "On the day the Qurayza Jews were slain, one Muslim was martyred. A
> stone was thrown on him and it inflicted a shattering wound. The
> Apostle said, �He will have the reward of two martyrs.'"
drahcir
Sorry, I was very much in a rush when I replied to you earlier. Here's
the deal. There is no such thing as "semitism" - sometimes
dictionaries get it wrong. The reason there CANNOT be any such thing
as semitism is because that would necessitate that "anti-semitism"
means being against semitism. Of course, that is not what it means, so
"semitism" must be bogus. I never thought I would hear myself say
something in a decent dictionary is bogus, but the logic of that
being the case is inescapable.
cornholio
> There is no Jewish race dumbass. The entire Old Testament and New testament
> are myths. The Jews were just some tribe. They were never even in Egypt.
> Gawd your deluded.
>
Bumhammad went out of his way to slaughter and enslave the
Jews of Median/Ytharib and Khybar though asshat.
You're an idiot and deserve to be ruled by islamonazi pigs.
cornholio
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:12:30 GMT, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot
>
>
>
> Goldstein) wrote:
> >On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:57:30 -0800 (PST), drahcir
> ><justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Nov 25, 4:53=A0pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
> >>> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:354bc8cd-2064-4392-a9eb=
>
> >>> > The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent and make no
> >>> > sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
>
> >>> Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
> >>> dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
>
> >>There is no such thing as "semitism", GOD. As strange as it may seem,
> >>it appears GOD is a moron.
>
> >It's actually in the dictionary (dictionary.com, at least). And
> >please excuse the change of name (again).
>
> Sorry, I was very much in a rush when I replied to you earlier. Here's
> the deal. There is no such thing as "semitism" - sometimes
> dictionaries get it wrong. The reason there CANNOT be any such thing
> as semitism is because that would necessitate that "anti-semitism"
> means being against semitism. Of course, that is not what it means, so
> "semitism" must be bogus. I never thought I would hear myself say
> something in a decent dictionary is bogus, but the logic of that
> being the case is inescapable.
For the ne0-nazis and islamopigs I also sub-titled the post "Anti-
Judaism"
to head-off just such an argument.
Seon Ferguson
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c8900bdf-a171-4db9...@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 25, 5:20 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There is no Jewish race dumbass. The entire Old Testament and New
>> testament
>> are myths. The Jews were just some tribe. They were never even in Egypt.
>> Gawd your deluded.
>>
>
> Bumhammad went out of his way to slaughter and enslave the
> Jews of Median/Ytharib and Khybar though asshat.
>
Blah blah blah so every Muslim follows the Koran 100% even if they claim not
to
> You're an idiot and deserve to be ruled by islamonazi pigs.
I'm not the one who believes in fairy tales. Let me guess all Muslim's are
pigs right?
Seon Ferguson
"_ G O D _" <DEM...@TELUS.NET> wrote in message
news:Q8hPm.53514$Db2.19881@edtnps83...
> "cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote
> news:f4cfda8d-434a-40da...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> ......<snip>.....irrelevant crap has been carefully removed...........
>
> You must be very ignorant, to make such a stupid equation.
> Only a COck-sucking sectarian retard like you would do that....
> --
What kind of a response is that? And if he was gay how does that change the
fact that the Torah and Bible are just fairy tales and the Jewish "Race" is
a myth?
_ G O D _
news:8uydnSvW4ZAhtZPW...@westnet.com.au...
>
>
> "_ G O D _" wrote news:Q8hPm.53514$Db2.19881@edtnps83...
"How" do you ask? The COck-sucking sectarians are not
only trying to distort the nature. They've twisted the history.
They present those fairy tales as facts, and insist that the
Bible was written and given to them by _ G O D _ himself....
Seon Ferguson
"_ G O D _" <DEM...@TELUS.NET> wrote in message
news:C5sPm.55115$PH1.46177@edtnps82...
> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote
> news:8uydnSvW4ZAhtZPW...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>> "_ G O D _" wrote news:Q8hPm.53514$Db2.19881@edtnps83...
>>> "cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> news:f4cfda8d-434a-40da...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>> ......<snip>.....irrelevant crap has been carefully removed...........
>>>
>>> You must be very ignorant, to make such a stupid equation.
>>> Only a COck-sucking sectarian retard like you would do that....
>>> --
>> What kind of a response is that? And if he was gay
>> how does that change the fact that the Torah and Bible
>> are just fairy tales and the Jewish "Race" is a myth?
>
>
> "How" do you ask? The COck-sucking sectarians are not
> only trying to distort the nature. They've twisted the history.
> They present those fairy tales as facts, and insist that the
> Bible was written and given to them by _ G O D _ himself....
> --
Oh he was a cock sucker for saying that myths of the Old Testament happened.
Well it makes him wrong but um gay people have more sense...
cornholio
> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
GO live in a muslime fuck country then.
cornholio
> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrotenews:f4cfda8d-434a-40da...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> ......<snip>.....irrelevant crap has been carefully removed...........
>
> You must be very ignorant, to make such a stupid equation.
> Only a COck-sucking sectarian retard like you would do that....
> --
> _____________________________________________________
"Stupid equation"? "COck-sucking sectarian retard"? How does
either of these phrases ameliorate the fact that anti-Judaism
is part and parcel of your pislamic faith Abdul?
cornholio
> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c8900bdf-a171-4db9...@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...> On Nov 25, 5:20 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> There is no Jewish race dumbass. The entire Old Testament and New
> >> testament
> >> are myths. The Jews were just some tribe. They were never even in Egypt.
> >> Gawd your deluded.
>
> > Bumhammad went out of his way to slaughter and enslave the
> > Jews of Median/Ytharib and Khybar though asshat.
>
> Blah blah blah so every Muslim follows the Koran 100% even if they claim not
> to
>
Show me even ONE muslime fuck who in ANY WAY refuses
to recognize a SINGLE ONE of the anti-Judaic/anti-Jewish
quotes I posted retard. Until then STFU.
Dermot Goldstein
<andx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 25, 11:03=A0pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:c8900bdf-a171-4db9...@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...=
>> On Nov 25, 5:20 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> There is no Jewish race dumbass. The entire Old Testament and New
>> >> testament
>> >> are myths. The Jews were just some tribe. They were never even in Egyp=
>t.
>> >> Gawd your deluded.
>>
>> > Bumhammad went out of his way to slaughter and enslave the
>> > Jews of Median/Ytharib and Khybar though asshat.
>>
>> Blah blah blah so every Muslim follows the Koran 100% even if they claim =
>not
>> to
>>
>
>Show me even ONE muslime fuck who in ANY WAY refuses
>to recognize a SINGLE ONE of the anti-Judaic/anti-Jewish
>quotes I posted retard. Until then STFU.
Are you that Bleacho a"h in disguise?
Gray Ghost
news:088eb260-84d9-46a2...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 25, 5:07�pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
>> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com>
>> wrotenews:464e386b-dcba-4160...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.c
>> om...
>>
>>
>>
>> > There is no such thing as "semitism"....
>>
>> Only a COck-sucking imbecile
>> like you would assert such crap....
>
> Is that any way for GOD to speak? You're not only a moron, you're a
> primitive, rude moron.
Well, he is a false God. What do you expect. And the best part is the
punishment the real God has for False Prophets and those that would lead his
Children in the wrong way.
>> --
>> _____________________________________________________
>>
>> I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
>> and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -----------------
>>
>> "The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
>> Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
>> high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
>> does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
>> undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
>> sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
>> helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
>> reminds them of their responsibility." � ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
>> ___________________________________________________ --
>
--
�Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel
of envy, its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery.� Winston
Churchill
cornholio
Shades of Ali Al Grabarse?
Seon Ferguson
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:635b7362-00a2-43f4...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 25, 11:03 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:c8900bdf-a171-4db9...@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...>
>> On Nov 25, 5:20 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> There is no Jewish race dumbass. The entire Old Testament and New
>> >> testament
>> >> are myths. The Jews were just some tribe. They were never even in
>> >> Egypt.
>> >> Gawd your deluded.
>>
>> > Bumhammad went out of his way to slaughter and enslave the
>> > Jews of Median/Ytharib and Khybar though asshat.
>>
>> Blah blah blah so every Muslim follows the Koran 100% even if they claim
>> not
>> to
>>
>
> Show me even ONE muslime fuck who in ANY WAY refuses
> to recognize a SINGLE ONE of the anti-Judaic/anti-Jewish
> quotes I posted retard. Until then STFU.
>
I don't know every single "Muslim fuck" so I can't speak for all of them.
_ G O D _
news:Xns9CCF7342DDC19We...@216.196.97.142...
> drahcir <justrich...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:088eb260-84d9-46a2...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com>
>>> wrotenews:464e386b-dcba-4160...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.c
>>> om...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > There is no such thing as "semitism"....
>>>
>>> Only a COck-sucking imbecile
>>> like you would assert such crap....
>>
>> Is that any way for GOD to speak? You're not
>> only a moron, you're a primitive, rude moron.
>
> Well, he is a false God. What do you expect. And the best
> part is the punishment the real God has for False Prophets
> and those that would lead his Children in the wrong way.
You COck-sucking sectarian
retards deserved each-other....
_ G O D _
news:eea63911-d478-4960...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> "Stupid equation"? "COck-sucking sectarian retard"? How
> does either of these phrases ameliorate the fact that anti-Judaism
> is part and parcel of your pislamic faith Abdul?
It's not my fault that you are a COco-sucking retard,
and Abdul - is a first name of everybody you know?
cornholio
> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:635b7362-00a2-43f4...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Nov 25, 11:03 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:c8900bdf-a171-4db9...@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...>
> >> On Nov 25, 5:20 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> There is no Jewish race dumbass. The entire Old Testament and New
> >> >> testament
> >> >> are myths. The Jews were just some tribe. They were never even in
> >> >> Egypt.
> >> >> Gawd your deluded.
>
> >> > Bumhammad went out of his way to slaughter and enslave the
> >> > Jews of Median/Ytharib and Khybar though asshat.
>
> >> Blah blah blah so every Muslim follows the Koran 100% even if they claim
> >> not
> >> to
>
> > Show me even ONE muslime fuck who in ANY WAY refuses
> > to recognize a SINGLE ONE of the anti-Judaic/anti-Jewish
> > quotes I posted retard. Until then STFU.
>
> I don't know every single "Muslim fuck" so I can't speak for all of them.
Show me the muslimes that publicly rebuke the anti-Judaic content in
the
koran. Prove to me your concept that muslimes don't follow the koran.
Idiot.
cornholio
> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrotenews:eea63911-d478-4960...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > "Stupid equation"? "COck-sucking sectarian retard"? How
> > does either of these phrases ameliorate the fact that anti-Judaism
> > is part and parcel of your pislamic faith Abdul?
>
> It's not my fault that you are a COco-sucking retard,
> and Abdul - is a first name of everybody you know?
> --
It's my fault, I forgot you're a naturalized idiot.
It's interesting that you post to alt.prisons. Done any time
as a bitch?
Jewdas
Everyone knew that is the NG that you could be found in. Are you really
looking for others that have spent time as a bitch, like you. Actually
you still are our NG Bitch!
Seon Ferguson
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1bcbbab0-5321-4456...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Prove to me every single Muslim follows the Koran 100%
Dermot Goldstein
<andx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 26, 8:05=A0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot Goldstein) wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:00:15 -0800 (PST), cornholio
>>
>>
>>
>> <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 25, 11:03=3DA0pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:c8900bdf-a171-4db9...@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com.=
>..=3D
>> >> On Nov 25, 5:20 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> There is no Jewish race dumbass. The entire Old Testament and New
>> >> >> testament
>> >> >> are myths. The Jews were just some tribe. They were never even in E=
>gyp=3D
>> >t.
>> >> >> Gawd your deluded.
>>
>> >> > Bumhammad went out of his way to slaughter and enslave the
>> >> > Jews of Median/Ytharib and Khybar though asshat.
>>
>> >> Blah blah blah so every Muslim follows the Koran 100% even if they cla=
>im =3D
>> >not
>> >> to
>>
>> >Show me even ONE muslime fuck who in ANY WAY refuses
>> >to recognize a SINGLE ONE of the anti-Judaic/anti-Jewish
>> >quotes I posted retard. Until then STFU.
>>
>> Are you that Bleacho a"h in disguise?
>
>Shades of Ali Al Grabarse?
Aha! So it IS the Bleached Ass one!
AgitProp
the jews and the judeo-islamists deserve each other
AgitProp
just some moronican nuter aka doughst
Dermot Goldstein
<baron.ro...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 27, 8:18=A0pm, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot Goldstein) wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:04:38 -0800 (PST), cornholio
>>
>>
>>
>> <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 26, 8:05=3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot Goldstein) wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:00:15 -0800 (PST), cornholio
>>
>> >> <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Nov 25, 11:03=3D3DA0pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:c8900bdf-a171-4db9...@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.c=
>om.=3D
>> >..=3D3D
>> >> >> On Nov 25, 5:20 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> There is no Jewish race dumbass. The entire Old Testament and Ne=
>w
>> >> >> >> testament
>> >> >> >> are myths. The Jews were just some tribe. They were never even i=
>n E=3D
>> >gyp=3D3D
>> >> >t.
>> >> >> >> Gawd your deluded.
>>
>> >> >> > Bumhammad went out of his way to slaughter and enslave the
>> >> >> > Jews of Median/Ytharib and Khybar though asshat.
>>
>> >> >> Blah blah blah so every Muslim follows the Koran 100% even if they =
>cla=3D
>> >im =3D3D
>> >> >not
>> >> >> to
>>
>> >> >Show me even ONE muslime fuck who in ANY WAY refuses
>> >> >to recognize a SINGLE ONE of the anti-Judaic/anti-Jewish
>> >> >quotes I posted retard. Until then STFU.
>>
>> >> Are you that Bleacho a"h in disguise?
>>
>> >Shades of Ali Al Grabarse?
>>
>> Aha! =A0So it IS the Bleached Ass one! =A0
>
>just some moronican nuter aka doughst
Ah, you mean that deluded a"h Duhg? LOL
drahcir
> "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote in messagenews:Q8hPm.53514$Db2.19881@edtnps83...> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote
> >news:f4cfda8d-434a-40da...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> > ......<snip>.....irrelevant crap has been carefully removed...........
>
> > You must be very ignorant, to make such a stupid equation.
> > Only a COck-sucking sectarian retard like you would do that....
> > --
>
> What kind of a response is that? And if he was gay how does that change the
> fact that the Torah and Bible are just fairy tales and the Jewish "Race" is
> a myth?
Ever hear of DNA? If you ever decide to maybe read a book, you'll
learn that Jews all over the world are united by common DNA in spite
of having been separated for thousands of years. Do you think that
might have anything to do with race?
cornholio
Maybe you can come up w/some convenient excuse for the fact
that every muslime pig country on the face of the earth persecutes
people of other faiths. Are they "following the koran"? Or is it all
mere coincidence dickwit?
cornholio
So you couldn't find a SINGLE muslime fuck who renounces the
anti-semitic/anti-Judaic verses in the koran, sira and hadith. I,
OTOH,
can find plenty of muslime fucks who agree with it.
_ G O D _
"Jewdas" <Jew...@circumcision.com> wrote
news:7n99t7F...@mid.individual.net...
> cornholio wrote:
>> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not my fault that you are a COco-sucking retard,
>>> and Abdul - is a first name of everybody you know.....
>>
>> It's interesting that you post to alt.prisons.
>> Done any time as a bitch?
>
> Everyone knew that is the NG that you could be found in.
> Are you really looking for others that have spent time as
> a bitch, like you. Actually you still are our NG Bitch!
It's quite obvious from his prison bitch-name that
COrnholio is a COck-sucking sectarian imbecile,
who is looking for "love" outside of prison, where
he apparently did not nave luck to find an "Abdul."
--
---
_____________________________________________________
I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
along with all institutions of the industrialized slavery and genocide.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvies, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
_ G O D _
news:b7ff6a02-99d9-4404...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
>> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote
>> news:088eb260-84d9-46a2...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
>> >>news:464e386b-dcba-4160...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > There is no such thing as "semitism"....
>>
>> >> Only a COck-sucking imbecile
>> >> like you would assert such crap....
>>
>> > Is that any way for GOD to speak? You're not
>> > only a moron, you're a primitive, rude moron.
>>
>> Because even kindergarteners know what the prefix
>> "anti" stand for. Hence, the following word must exist...
>
> Wow, sounds like good logic. So, since "biotic" means "pertaining to
> life", I suppose you think an antibiotic is "against life".
.....<snip>....irrelevant crap has been carefully removed.....
If you are indeed looking for logic, though do not
see a perversion in your totally twisted approach,
then I'm welcoming your choice of explanation of
an obvious mistake of purely grammatical nature....
The meaning, just like purpose of the antibiotics,
indeed, translates into a common expression as
a "bug-killer," or a "virus-fighter," ie. "against life"
(of a virus which is known to cause the sickness)....
Therefore, you indeed, may equate antisemitism
to an antibiotic, because they both fight sickness,
and Jedophobia is only a vehicle of that sickness....
--
_____________________________________________________
I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
Seon Ferguson
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Really? How am I being persecuted by Muslims in Australia?
Seon Ferguson
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't know any "Muslim fuck" and I can't be bothered to research this. I
just know for a fact not every Muslim follows the Koran 100%
Eunometic
> Qur'an 2:61
>
> "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were
> visited with Allah's wrath."
> Qur'an 2:59
>
SNIP
>
> "A Jewish rabbi, Abdulla bin Salam approached the Messenger, 'I am
> going to ask you three things which nobody knows except a prophet:
> [Then how would the Rabbi know them?] What is the first portent of the
> Hour? What will be the first meal taken in Paradise? Why does a child
> resemble its father, and why does it resemble its mother.' Allah's
> Apostle said, 'Gabriel has just now told me of the answers.' 'Gabriel,
> from among all the angels, is the enemy of the Jews.' 'The first
> portent of the Hour will be a fire that will bring the people from
> east to west. The first meal of Paradise will be caudate lobe of fish-
> liver. As for the resemblance of a child to its parents: If a man has
> sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child
> will resemble him, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child
> will resemble her.' On that the rabbi said, 'I testify you are the
> Apostle of Allah, and that Jews are liars.'" [Lies and total
> garbage. ]
> Qur'an 8:59
>
I love the infantile stupidity of that. The logic of the 'proof' is
so absurd. Muslims who read this
must be in a permanent state of suspended reason.
Seon Ferguson
"_ G O D _" <DEM...@TELUS.NET> wrote in message
news:xJTPm.55331$PH1.49632@edtnps82...
>
>
> "Jewdas" <Jew...@circumcision.com> wrote
> news:7n99t7F...@mid.individual.net...
>> cornholio wrote:
>>> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's not my fault that you are a COco-sucking retard,
>>>> and Abdul - is a first name of everybody you know.....
>>>
>>> It's interesting that you post to alt.prisons.
>>> Done any time as a bitch?
>>
>> Everyone knew that is the NG that you could be found in.
>> Are you really looking for others that have spent time as
>> a bitch, like you. Actually you still are our NG Bitch!
>
> It's quite obvious from his prison bitch-name that
> COrnholio is a COck-sucking sectarian imbecile,
> who is looking for "love" outside of prison, where
> he apparently did not nave luck to find an "Abdul."
> --
> ---
Haven't you ever watched Beavis and Butt-head?
And I will take the role of the news groups bitch for the ladies if no one
is interested...
drahcir
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:b7ff6a02-99d9-4404...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
> >> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>news:088eb260-84d9-46a2...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
> >> > > "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>news:464e386b-dcba-4160...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> > There is no such thing as "semitism"....
>
> >> >> Only a COck-sucking imbecile
> >> >> like you would assert such crap....
>
> >> > Is that any way for GOD to speak? You're not
> >> > only a moron, you're a primitive, rude moron.
>
> >> I'm just being straight forward with you, COck-sucker.
> >> Because even kindergarteners know what the prefix
> >> "anti" stand for. Hence, the following word must exist...
>
> > Wow, sounds like good logic. So, since "biotic" means "pertaining to
> > life", I suppose you think an antibiotic is "against life".
>
> .....<snip>....irrelevant crap has been carefully removed.....
Translation: you snip away what you can't refute. Typical.
>
> If you are indeed looking for logic, though do not
> see a perversion in your totally twisted approach,
> then I'm welcoming your choice of explanation of
> an obvious mistake of purely grammatical nature....
>
> The meaning, just like purpose of the antibiotics,
> indeed, translates into a common expression as
> a "bug-killer," or a "virus-fighter," ie. "against life"
> (of a virus which is known to cause the sickness)....
>
> Therefore, you indeed, may equate antisemitism
> to an antibiotic, because they both fight sickness,
> and Jedophobia is only a vehicle of that sickness....
Lots of pretentious blahblah to attempt to mask the fact that your
argument was stupid. Can't expect much more from your ilk.
cornholio
It's not a muslime country yet. But I suggest you visit a muslime
pig country soon to discover for yourself just what the differences
are. Make sure to publicly criticize islam when you do.
cornholio
LOL. If you think there any muslimes who renounce these verses
please point them out to me. I'm sure you won't have any problems
considering there are a billion of 'em.
Seon Ferguson
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c64fecc1-4784-49a1...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
Obviously Arab countries aren't as civilized as Western countries. And
Australia will never be a Muslim country, not a Christian one. I will see to
that.
_ G O D _
news:k6CdnfzGBZouO43W...@westnet.com.au...
>
>
> ....I will take the role of the news groups
> bitch for the ladies if no one is interested...
Good for you, Seon. Go ahead, and feel free to
take any role you desire. You don't need to ask
for anyone's approval, in order to assume roles.
I don't watch the show, but know what you mean...
--
_____________________________________________________
I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
_ G O D _
news:3f3d48b5-b755-48cf...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> "_ G O D _" wrote:
>>
>>
>> Therefore, you indeed, may equate antisemitism
>> to an antibiotic, because they both fight sickness,
>
> Lots of pretentious blahblah to attempt to mask the fact that your
> argument was stupid. Can't expect much more from your ilk.
I don't really know to which particular "ilk" you are
sorting me inside of your head, but the argument
was yours, from the beginning. I just happened to
support the fact that the meaning of the antibiotic,
as you have inadvertently asserted, is indeed, - a
destroyer, or inhibitor, of the life of bacteria which
causing the disease. Therefore, if you are looking
for someone to blame for "stupid argument," then
blame yourself. There's nothing pretentious about
the fact that the real culprit (every body should be
fighting), is actually a Semitism, not the other way
around....
drahcir
> "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote in messagenews:C5sPm.55115$PH1.46177@edtnps82...
>
>
>
> > "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote
> >news:8uydnSvW4ZAhtZPW...@westnet.com.au...
>
> >> "_ G O D _" wrotenews:Q8hPm.53514$Db2.19881@edtnps83...
> >>> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>news:f4cfda8d-434a-40da...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> >>> ......<snip>.....irrelevant crap has been carefully removed...........
>
> >>> You must be very ignorant, to make such a stupid equation.
> >>> Only a COck-sucking sectarian retard like you would do that....
> >>> --
> >> What kind of a response is that? And if he was gay
> >> how does that change the fact that the Torah and Bible
> >> are just fairy tales and the Jewish "Race" is a myth?
>
> > only trying to distort the nature. They've twisted the history.
> > They present those fairy tales as facts, and insist that the
> > Bible was written and given to them by _ G O D _ himself....
> > --
>
> Oh he was a cock sucker for saying that myths of the Old Testament happened.
To whom are you referring? Is your imagination getting the best of you
again?
> Well it makes him wrong but um gay people have more sense...
cornholio
The islamonazis will roll you up like an old carpet.
If you don't like Christians you can always move to an islamofuck
country,
in most of them I can guarantee you'll never be bothered by:
i. Jews
ii. Hindus
iii. Buddhists
iv. Christains
EVER again.
Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
who hated indeed the Judah Jews ...
The whole Islam fraud is a contrivance of Revenge from the Samaritan
Jews against the other kind : both the Zealot Jews who founded that
Christian fraud & the Pharisees Jews who carried on the Babylonian
reheated sauce of the Moshe Fraud 's sect !
ONE THING TO NOTE IN ALL THE JIC SECTS, THERE ARE ALL 3 COMPLETELY
GODLESS & DOWNRIGHT IMMORALLY EVIL !
JIC ( Judeo-islamo-christian) sects
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer Mine (Australia largest Copper &
Gold Mine)
Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert
Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
Founder of the True Geology
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One Never Forgiven ~
for background info.
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/nac.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm
"True Geology" Foundation Document
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69327
"Turcaud Bath" as a free gift to Suffering Humanity
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107947
AgitProp
> country,
> in most of them I can guarantee you'll never be bothered by:
>
> ii. Buddhists
> iii. Christains
>
> EVER again.
I'll drink to that! - Send all the jews and judeo-islamists to the
Middle East!
Seon Ferguson
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:72835388-696a-4bbf...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
Why should I? Australia is a SECULAR country. If any religion changes that I
won't like it. Bahais for example are allowed freedom of religion (which
they are denied in Iran) if one particular religion takes over the rights
for other religions will be taken away.
cornholio
Duh, kinda like pislam eh?
Seon Ferguson
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eed0734f-2fd7-4231...@k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Yep. I know what the Bahais go through in Iran.
cornholio
Don't Bahais accept bumhammad as one of their prophets? Is that why
you feel the need to defend islamopigs and pislam?
Dermot Goldstein
>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:12:30 GMT, dgold...@charter.net (Dermot
>Goldstein) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:57:30 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>><justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 25, 4:53=A0pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
>>>> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:354bc8cd-2064-4392-a9eb=
>>>-ac86f...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent and make no
>>>> > sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
>>>>
>>>> Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
>>>> dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
>>>
>>>There is no such thing as "semitism", GOD. As strange as it may seem,
>>>it appears GOD is a moron.
>>
>>It's actually in the dictionary (dictionary.com, at least). And
>>please excuse the change of name (again).
>
>Sorry, I was very much in a rush when I replied to you earlier. Here's
>the deal. There is no such thing as "semitism" - sometimes
>dictionaries get it wrong. The reason there CANNOT be any such thing
>as semitism is because that would necessitate that "anti-semitism"
>means being against semitism. Of course, that is not what it means, so
>"semitism" must be bogus. I never thought I would hear myself say
>something in a decent dictionary is bogus, but the logic of that
>being the case is inescapable.
I tend to disagree...but I would offer a slightly different
definition: Semitism is the kind of jewish behaviour that gives rise
to 'anti-semitism'�.
(Please excuse extended absence...this has the makings of an
interesting semantic discussion...)
drahcir
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:48:48 -0500, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:12:30 GMT, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot
> >Goldstein) wrote:
>
> >>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:57:30 -0800 (PST), drahcir
> >><justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Nov 25, 4:53=A0pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
> >>>> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:354bc8cd-2064-4392-a9eb=
>
> >>>> > The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent and make no
> >>>> > sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
>
> >>>> Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
> >>>> dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
>
> >>>There is no such thing as "semitism", GOD. As strange as it may seem,
> >>>it appears GOD is a moron.
>
> >>It's actually in the dictionary (dictionary.com, at least). And
> >>please excuse the change of name (again).
>
> >Sorry, I was very much in a rush when I replied to you earlier. Here's
> >the deal. There is no such thing as "semitism" - sometimes
> >dictionaries get it wrong. The reason there CANNOT be any such thing
> >as semitism is because that would necessitate that "anti-semitism"
> >means being against semitism. Of course, that is not what it means, so
> >"semitism" must be bogus. I never thought I would hear myself say
> >something in a decent dictionary is bogus, but the logic of that
> >being the case is inescapable.
>
> I tend to disagree...but I would offer a slightly different
> definition: Semitism is the kind of jewish behaviour that gives rise
> to 'anti-semitism'®.
>
> (Please excuse extended absence...this has the makings of an
> interesting semantic discussion...)
Our favorite kind... regarding "semitism" - it's one of those words
that obviously made it by the editors of some dictionaries. As I
stated above, your "definition" is simply the result of a
misapprehension of "anti-Semitism". I have NEVER seen "semitism" in
usage, aside from the #$%^#%'s in this group, of course.
Aaronovich
"Dermot Goldstein" <dgold...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:4b226dae...@news.x-privat.org...
Yes! Yes! I am telling him this so many times. So many other people are
telling him this also. He is not capable of understanding anything his head
tells him is criticism of the Jew or the Jew way of life.
Aaronovich
"drahcir" <justrich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:25645ab1-103e-40e6...@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
The world sees Semitism in action every day, Mister backward Richard. You
engage in it now.
Dermit Goldstein
<justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 11, 11:08=A0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot Goldstein) wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:48:48 -0500, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:12:30 GMT, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot
>> >Goldstein) wrote:
>>
>> >>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:57:30 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>> >><justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>On Nov 25, 4:53=3DA0pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
>> >>>> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:354bc8cd-2064-4392=
>-a9eb=3D
>> >>>-ac86fb24c...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>>> > The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent and make =
>no
>> >>>> > sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
>>
>> >>>> Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
>> >>>> dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
>>
>> >>>There is no such thing as "semitism", GOD. As strange as it may seem,
>> >>>it appears GOD is a moron.
>>
>> >>It's actually in the dictionary (dictionary.com, at least). =A0And
>> >>please excuse the change of name (again).
>>
>> >Sorry, I was very much in a rush when I replied to you earlier. Here's
>> >the deal. There is no such thing as "semitism" - sometimes
>> >dictionaries get it wrong. The reason there CANNOT be any such thing
>> >as semitism is because that would necessitate that "anti-semitism"
>> >means being against semitism. Of course, that is not what it means, so
>> >"semitism" must be bogus. I never thought I would hear myself say
>> >something in a decent dictionary is bogus, but the =A0logic of that
>> >being the case is inescapable.
>>
>> I tend to disagree...but I would offer a slightly different
>> definition: =A0Semitism is the kind of jewish behaviour that gives rise
>> to 'anti-semitism'=AE.
>>
>> (Please excuse extended absence...this has the makings of an
>> interesting semantic discussion...)
>
>Our favorite kind... regarding "semitism" - it's one of those words
>that obviously made it by the editors of some dictionaries. As I
>stated above, your "definition" is simply the result of a
>misapprehension of "anti-Semitism". I have NEVER seen "semitism" in
>usage, aside from the #$%^#%'s in this group, of course.
Speaking as an #$%^#%, and as one of the foremost proponents of
'anti-semitism'�, I have absolutely no misapprehensions regarding the
word.
'Semitism' is, of course, a politically incorrect term. Its absence
from common usage stems from the implication that jews are somehow
responsible for 'anti-semitism'� as a result of their behaviour.
Those of us who are aware of these things know, beyond a shadow of
doubt, that this is indeed the case. Without 'semitism',
'anti-semitism'� would not exist.
Let's not forget also that 'anti-semitism'� is merely an anglicised
form of the German noun coined by Wilhelm Marr in the 1800s. Having
been married to no fewer than three jewish women, he was an authority
on the subject. Jews were the only semites in Germany at the time,
hence his choice of wording.
drahcir
Hmm, seems you are trying to convert my thesis that the word is simply
invalid, as demonstrated by its nearly total absence anywhere except
newsgroups, into its being "politically incorrect". Not gonna fly,
rev, sorry. Plenty of politically incorrect terms show up all the time
in normal usage.
Its absence
> from common usage stems from the implication that jews are somehow
> responsible for 'anti-semitism'® as a result of their behaviour.
> Those of us who are aware of these things know, beyond a shadow of
> doubt, that this is indeed the case. Without 'semitism',
> 'anti-semitism'® would not exist.
I am afraid the millions of uses of "antisemitism" would belie that.
Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots of stuff -
perceived group behavior is just one component. Many are such due to
their perception that jews killed the "son of god" (as ridiculous as
that may sound). Much antisemitic behavior is actually a function of
neurosis - something happens to an individual for which blame needs to
be assigned, and jews become the convenient scapegoat, although they
are blameless as a group in this incident by definition. Over years,
this becomes a focal point of contradictory thought, leading to
irrationality. I'd bet that's what's responsible in your case.
>
> Let's not forget also that 'anti-semitism'® is merely an anglicised
> form of the German noun coined by Wilhelm Marr in the 1800s.
So?
Having
> been married to no fewer than three jewish women, he was an authority
> on the subject.
LOL! I didn't know that. I am known for occasional gullibility, so I
hope you're not pulling my leg.
Jews were the only semites in Germany at the time,
> hence his choice of wording.
Correct.
drahcir
"Attention"?
Dermit Goldstein
<justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 7:22=A0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:48:44 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>>
>>
>> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 11, 11:08=3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot Goldstein) wrote=
>:
>> >> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:48:48 -0500, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:12:30 GMT, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot
>> >> >Goldstein) wrote:
>>
>> >> >>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:57:30 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>> >> >><justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>On Nov 25, 4:53=3D3DA0pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
>> >> >>>> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:354bc8cd-2064-4=
>392=3D
>> >-a9eb=3D3D
>> >> >>>-ac86fb24c...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> >>>> > The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent and ma=
>ke =3D
>> >no
>> >> >>>> > sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
>>
>> >> >>>> Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
>> >> >>>> dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
>>
>> >> >>>There is no such thing as "semitism", GOD. As strange as it may see=
>m,
>> >> >>>it appears GOD is a moron.
>>
>> >> >>It's actually in the dictionary (dictionary.com, at least). =3DA0And
>> >> >>please excuse the change of name (again).
>>
>> >> >Sorry, I was very much in a rush when I replied to you earlier. Here'=
>s
>> >> >the deal. There is no such thing as "semitism" - sometimes
>> >> >dictionaries get it wrong. The reason there CANNOT be any such thing
>> >> >as semitism is because that would necessitate that "anti-semitism"
>> >> >means being against semitism. Of course, that is not what it means, s=
>o
>> >> >"semitism" must be bogus. I never thought I would hear myself say
>> >> >something in a decent dictionary is bogus, but the =3DA0logic of that
>> >> >being the case is inescapable.
>>
>> >> I tend to disagree...but I would offer a slightly different
>> >> definition: =3DA0Semitism is the kind of jewish behaviour that gives r=
>ise
>> >> to 'anti-semitism'=3DAE.
>>
>> >> (Please excuse extended absence...this has the makings of an
>> >> interesting semantic discussion...)
>>
>> >Our favorite kind... regarding "semitism" - it's one of those words
>> >that obviously made it by the editors of some dictionaries. As I
>> >stated above, your "definition" is simply the result of a
>> >misapprehension of "anti-Semitism". I have NEVER seen "semitism" in
>> >usage, aside from the #$%^#%'s in this group, of course.
>>
>> Speaking as an #$%^#%, and as one of the foremost proponents of
>> 'anti-semitism'=AE, I have absolutely no misapprehensions regarding the
>> word. =A0
>>
>> 'Semitism' is, of course, a politically incorrect term.
>
>Hmm, seems you are trying to convert my thesis that the word is simply
>invalid, as demonstrated by its nearly total absence anywhere except
>newsgroups,
and dictionaries....
> into its being "politically incorrect". Not gonna fly,
>rev, sorry. Plenty of politically incorrect terms show up all the time
>in normal usage.
I tried our old friend Google, but of the 4.5 million hits for
Semitism, the first several pages referred (mostly) to
'Anti-semitism'�...I lost interest in looking further...
>Its absence
>> from common usage stems from the implication that jews are somehow
>> responsible for 'anti-semitism'=AE as a result of their behaviour.
>> Those of us who are aware of these things know, beyond a shadow of
>> doubt, that this is indeed the case. =A0Without 'semitism',
>> 'anti-semitism'=AE would not exist.
>
>I am afraid the millions of uses of "antisemitism" would belie that.
Millions of uses...by jews?
>Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots of stuff -
>perceived group behavior is just one component.
Actual group behaviour is another.
>Many are such due to
>their perception that jews killed the "son of god" (as ridiculous as
>that may sound). Much antisemitic behavior is actually a function of
>neurosis - something happens to an individual for which blame needs to
>be assigned, and jews become the convenient scapegoat, although they
>are blameless as a group in this incident by definition. Over years,
>this becomes a focal point of contradictory thought, leading to
>irrationality. I'd bet that's what's responsible in your case.
No, actually, it's not.
>> Let's not forget also that 'anti-semitism'=AE is merely an anglicised
>> form of the German noun coined by Wilhelm Marr in the 1800s. =A0
>
>So?
Merely an observation on the etymology of the word.
>Having
>> been married to no fewer than three jewish women, he was an authority
>> on the subject. =A0
>
>LOL! I didn't know that. I am known for occasional gullibility, so I
>hope you're not pulling my leg.
It's absolutely true!
Dermit Goldstein
I believe it's a technical tool used in network connection testing.
You would ping an IP address and test the delay. On Usenet, it has
been adopted, as you surmised, for the purpose of attracting someone's
attention.
drahcir
I'll tell you what REALLY bugs me about search engines. I should have
power to search for EXACTLY what I want. If I search for " semitism",
I want a return for [space]semitism and NOTHING ELSE. But I know of no
way to make this happen - Google is convinced I am not smart enough to
know what I want.
>
> >Its absence
> >> from common usage stems from the implication that jews are somehow
> >> responsible for 'anti-semitism'=AE as a result of their behaviour.
> >> Those of us who are aware of these things know, beyond a shadow of
> >> doubt, that this is indeed the case. =A0Without 'semitism',
> >> 'anti-semitism'=AE would not exist.
>
> >I am afraid the millions of uses of "antisemitism" would belie that.
>
> Millions of uses...by jews?
Millions of uses, period.
>
> >Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots of stuff -
> >perceived group behavior is just one component.
>
> Actual group behaviour is another.
I'm not in the mood for an ontological discussion just now.
> >Many are such due to
> >their perception that jews killed the "son of god" (as ridiculous as
> >that may sound). Much antisemitic behavior is actually a function of
> >neurosis - something happens to an individual for which blame needs to
> >be assigned, and jews become the convenient scapegoat, although they
> >are blameless as a group in this incident by definition. Over years,
> >this becomes a focal point of contradictory thought, leading to
> >irrationality. I'd bet that's what's responsible in your case.
>
> No, actually, it's not.
I'm afraid I cannot accept your diagnosis, for obvious reasons. If you
get such an opinion from a credentialed professional, we can talk.
Bolt Upright
Et tu, Google! It appears that even the bots have drahcir pegged!
Aaronovich
>newsgroups ...
Your "thesis" fails right there, Mister backward Richard.
The word exists wherever the Jew exists. The Jew labels all he hates as
being anti-Semitic.
You lie effortlessly, Mister backward Richard. Not very effectively or
convincingly, however.
Dermit Goldstein
<justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 11:35=A0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:21:26 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>>
>>
>> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 12, 7:22=3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:48:44 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Dec 11, 11:08=3D3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot Goldstein) =
>wrote=3D
>> >:
>> >> >> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:48:48 -0500, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:12:30 GMT, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot
>> >> >> >Goldstein) wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:57:30 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>> >> >> >><justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>On Nov 25, 4:53=3D3D3DA0pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrot=
>e:
>> >> >> >>>> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:354bc8cd-206=
>4-4=3D
>> >392=3D3D
>> >> >-a9eb=3D3D3D
>> >> >> >>>-ac86fb24c...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> >> >>>> > The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent and=
> ma=3D
>> >ke =3D3D
>> >> >no
>> >> >> >>>> > sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
>>
>> >> >> >>>> Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
>> >> >> >>>> dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
>>
>> >> >> >>>There is no such thing as "semitism", GOD. As strange as it may =
>see=3D
>> >m,
>> >> >> >>>it appears GOD is a moron.
>>
>> >> >> >>It's actually in the dictionary (dictionary.com, at least). =3D3D=
>A0And
>> >> >> >>please excuse the change of name (again).
>>
>> >> >> >Sorry, I was very much in a rush when I replied to you earlier. He=
>re'=3D
>> >s
>> >> >> >the deal. There is no such thing as "semitism" - sometimes
>> >> >> >dictionaries get it wrong. The reason there CANNOT be any such thi=
>ng
>> >> >> >as semitism is because that would necessitate that "anti-semitism"
>> >> >> >means being against semitism. Of course, that is not what it means=
>, s=3D
>> >o
>> >> >> >"semitism" must be bogus. I never thought I would hear myself say
>> >> >> >something in a decent dictionary is bogus, but the =3D3DA0logic of=
> that
>> >> >> >being the case is inescapable.
>>
>> >> >> I tend to disagree...but I would offer a slightly different
>> >> >> definition: =3D3DA0Semitism is the kind of jewish behaviour that gi=
>ves r=3D
>> >ise
>> >> >> to 'anti-semitism'=3D3DAE.
>>
>> >> >> (Please excuse extended absence...this has the makings of an
>> >> >> interesting semantic discussion...)
>>
>> >> >Our favorite kind... regarding "semitism" - it's one of those words
>> >> >that obviously made it by the editors of some dictionaries. As I
>> >> >stated above, your "definition" is simply the result of a
>> >> >misapprehension of "anti-Semitism". I have NEVER seen "semitism" in
>> >> >usage, aside from the #$%^#%'s in this group, of course.
>>
>> >> Speaking as an #$%^#%, and as one of the foremost proponents of
>> >> 'anti-semitism'=3DAE, I have absolutely no misapprehensions regarding =
>the
>> >> word. =3DA0
>>
>> >> 'Semitism' is, of course, a politically incorrect term.
>>
>> >Hmm, seems you are trying to convert my thesis that the word is simply
>> >invalid, as demonstrated by its nearly total absence anywhere except
>> >newsgroups,
>>
>> and dictionaries....
>>
>> > into its being "politically incorrect". Not gonna fly,
>> >rev, sorry. Plenty of politically incorrect terms show up all the time
>> >in normal usage.
>>
>> I tried our old friend Google, but of the 4.5 million hits for
>> Semitism, the first several pages referred (mostly) to
>> 'Anti-semitism'=AE...I lost interest in looking further...
>
>I'll tell you what REALLY bugs me about search engines. I should have
>power to search for EXACTLY what I want. If I search for " semitism",
>I want a return for [space]semitism and NOTHING ELSE. But I know of no
>way to make this happen - Google is convinced I am not smart enough to
>know what I want.
To me, this implies that 'anti-semitism'� and semitism are closely
linked. LOL
>> >Its absence
>> >> from common usage stems from the implication that jews are somehow
>> >> responsible for 'anti-semitism'=3DAE as a result of their behaviour.
>> >> Those of us who are aware of these things know, beyond a shadow of
>> >> doubt, that this is indeed the case. =3DA0Without 'semitism',
>> >> 'anti-semitism'=3DAE would not exist.
>>
>> >I am afraid the millions of uses of "antisemitism" would belie that.
>>
>> Millions of uses...by jews? =A0
>
>Millions of uses, period.
And who is most likely to use the term? Those who have marketed and
promoted it, of course!
But to give credit where credit is due, to have one's own brand of
racism was a stroke of marketing genius!
>>
>> >Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots of stuff -
>> >perceived group behavior is just one component.
>>
>> Actual group behaviour is another.
>
>I'm not in the mood for an ontological discussion just now.
Cancerous?
>> >Many are such due to
>> >their perception that jews killed the "son of god" (as ridiculous as
>> >that may sound). Much antisemitic behavior is actually a function of
>> >neurosis - something happens to an individual for which blame needs to
>> >be assigned, and jews become the convenient scapegoat, although they
>> >are blameless as a group in this incident by definition. Over years,
>> >this becomes a focal point of contradictory thought, leading to
>> >irrationality. I'd bet that's what's responsible in your case.
>>
>> No, actually, it's not.
>
>I'm afraid I cannot accept your diagnosis, for obvious reasons. If you
>get such an opinion from a credentialed professional, we can talk.
Your faith in the psychiatric industry is both touching and unfounded:
it is absolutely riddled with jew quacks and charlatans. A better
example of semitism would be hard to find.
drahcir
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:43:36 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>
>
>
I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is used more
frequently by jews than gentiles. However, I'd guess that the word
"naqba" is used more by pallies than non-pallies, etc. So we really
haven't established anything important.
>
> But to give credit where credit is due, to have one's own brand of
> racism was a stroke of marketing genius!
We didn't invent the word, as you have observed.
>
> >> >Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots of stuff -
> >> >perceived group behavior is just one component.
>
> >> Actual group behaviour is another.
>
> >I'm not in the mood for an ontological discussion just now.
>
> Cancerous?
Um, no. I was referring to a discussion of the differences between
reality and perceived reality, especially in the neurotic mind.
>
> >> >Many are such due to
> >> >their perception that jews killed the "son of god" (as ridiculous as
> >> >that may sound). Much antisemitic behavior is actually a function of
> >> >neurosis - something happens to an individual for which blame needs to
> >> >be assigned, and jews become the convenient scapegoat, although they
> >> >are blameless as a group in this incident by definition. Over years,
> >> >this becomes a focal point of contradictory thought, leading to
> >> >irrationality. I'd bet that's what's responsible in your case.
>
> >> No, actually, it's not.
>
> >I'm afraid I cannot accept your diagnosis, for obvious reasons. If you
> >get such an opinion from a credentialed professional, we can talk.
>
> Your faith in the psychiatric industry is both touching and unfounded:
> it is absolutely riddled with jew quacks and charlatans. A better
> example of semitism would be hard to find.
With an attitude like that, you have little hope of recovery.
drahcir
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
If you're asking me out on a date, I have to respectfully decline -
let's just say you're not my type and leave it at that, shall we?
Dermit Goldstein
<justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 13, 8:19=A0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:43:36 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>>
>>
>> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 12, 11:35=3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote=
>:
>> >> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:21:26 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Dec 12, 7:22=3D3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) w=
>rote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:48:44 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Dec 11, 11:08=3D3D3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermot Goldst=
>ein) =3D
>> >wrote=3D3D
>> >> >:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:48:48 -0500, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wro=
>te:
>> >> >> >> >On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:12:30 GMT, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermo=
>t
>> >> >> >> >Goldstein) wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:57:30 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>> >> >> >> >><justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>On Nov 25, 4:53=3D3D3D3DA0pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET>=
> wrot=3D
>> >e:
>> >> >> >> >>>> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrotenews:354bc8cd-=
>206=3D
>> >4-4=3D3D
>> >> >392=3D3D3D
>> >> >> >-a9eb=3D3D3D3D
>> >> >> >> >>>-ac86fb24c...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> > The above makes no sense, GOD. How can you be omnipotent =
>and=3D
>> > ma=3D3D
>> >> >ke =3D3D3D
>> >> >> >no
>> >> >> >> >>>> > sense? I think I'm losing my faith...
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> Where exactly do you see an opposition to a false
>> >> >> >> >>>> dogma of Semitism in the opposition to Judaism?
>>
>> >> >> >> >>>There is no such thing as "semitism", GOD. As strange as it m=
>ay =3D
>> >see=3D3D
>> >> >m,
>> >> >> >> >>>it appears GOD is a moron.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>It's actually in the dictionary (dictionary.com, at least). =
>=3D3D3D=3D
>> >A0And
>> >> >> >> >>please excuse the change of name (again).
>>
>> >> >> >> >Sorry, I was very much in a rush when I replied to you earlier.=
> He=3D
>> >re'=3D3D
>> >> >s
>> >> >> >> >the deal. There is no such thing as "semitism" - sometimes
>> >> >> >> >dictionaries get it wrong. The reason there CANNOT be any such =
>thi=3D
>> >ng
>> >> >> >> >as semitism is because that would necessitate that "anti-semiti=
>sm"
>> >> >> >> >means being against semitism. Of course, that is not what it me=
>ans=3D
>> >, s=3D3D
>> >> >o
>> >> >> >> >"semitism" must be bogus. I never thought I would hear myself s=
>ay
>> >> >> >> >something in a decent dictionary is bogus, but the =3D3D3DA0log=
>ic of=3D
>> > that
>> >> >> >> >being the case is inescapable.
>>
>> >> >> >> I tend to disagree...but I would offer a slightly different
>> >> >> >> definition: =3D3D3DA0Semitism is the kind of jewish behaviour th=
>at gi=3D
>> >ves r=3D3D
>> >> >ise
>> >> >> >> to 'anti-semitism'=3D3D3DAE.
>>
>> >> >> >> (Please excuse extended absence...this has the makings of an
>> >> >> >> interesting semantic discussion...)
>>
>> >> >> >Our favorite kind... regarding "semitism" - it's one of those word=
>s
>> >> >> >that obviously made it by the editors of some dictionaries. As I
>> >> >> >stated above, your "definition" is simply the result of a
>> >> >> >misapprehension of "anti-Semitism". I have NEVER seen "semitism" i=
>n
>> >> >> >usage, aside from the #$%^#%'s in this group, of course.
>>
>> >> >> Speaking as an #$%^#%, and as one of the foremost proponents of
>> >> >> 'anti-semitism'=3D3DAE, I have absolutely no misapprehensions regar=
>ding =3D
>> >the
>> >> >> word. =3D3DA0
>>
>> >> >> 'Semitism' is, of course, a politically incorrect term.
>>
>> >> >Hmm, seems you are trying to convert my thesis that the word is simpl=
>y
>> >> >invalid, as demonstrated by its nearly total absence anywhere except
>> >> >newsgroups,
>>
>> >> and dictionaries....
>>
>> >> > into its being "politically incorrect". Not gonna fly,
>> >> >rev, sorry. Plenty of politically incorrect terms show up all the tim=
>e
>> >> >in normal usage.
>>
>> >> I tried our old friend Google, but of the 4.5 million hits for
>> >> Semitism, the first several pages referred (mostly) to
>> >> 'Anti-semitism'=3DAE...I lost interest in looking further...
>>
>> >I'll tell you what REALLY bugs me about search engines. I should have
>> >power to search for EXACTLY what I want. If I search for " semitism",
>> >I want a return for [space]semitism and NOTHING ELSE. But I know of no
>> >way to make this happen - Google is convinced I am not smart enough to
>> >know what I want.
>>
>> To me, this implies that 'anti-semitism'=AE and semitism are closely
>> linked. =A0LOL
>>
>> >> >Its absence
>> >> >> from common usage stems from the implication that jews are somehow
>> >> >> responsible for 'anti-semitism'=3D3DAE as a result of their behavio=
>ur.
>> >> >> Those of us who are aware of these things know, beyond a shadow of
>> >> >> doubt, that this is indeed the case. =3D3DA0Without 'semitism',
>> >> >> 'anti-semitism'=3D3DAE would not exist.
>>
>> >> >I am afraid the millions of uses of "antisemitism" would belie that.
>>
>> >> Millions of uses...by jews? =3DA0
>>
>> >Millions of uses, period.
>>
>> And who is most likely to use the term? =A0Those who have marketed and
>> promoted it, of course! =A0
>
>I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is used more
>frequently by jews than gentiles.
Of course. And I suspect its use by gentiles more often than not is
in reference to its overuse by jews.
> However, I'd guess that the word
>"naqba" is used more by pallies than non-pallies, etc. So we really
>haven't established anything important.
I don't know what "naqba" or "pallies" mean, so we haven't really made
any progress here.
>> But to give credit where credit is due, to have one's own brand of
>> racism was a stroke of marketing genius!
>
>We didn't invent the word, as you have observed.
True, but to have adopted it and used it as noted would be deserving
of a Nobel prize.
>> >> >Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots of stuff -
>> >> >perceived group behavior is just one component.
>>
>> >> Actual group behaviour is another.
>>
>> >I'm not in the mood for an ontological discussion just now.
>>
>> Cancerous?
>
>Um, no. I was referring to a discussion of the differences between
>reality and perceived reality, especially in the neurotic mind.
Are you disputing the existence of actual group behaviour?
>> >> >Many are such due to
>> >> >their perception that jews killed the "son of god" (as ridiculous as
>> >> >that may sound). Much antisemitic behavior is actually a function of
>> >> >neurosis - something happens to an individual for which blame needs t=
>o
>> >> >be assigned, and jews become the convenient scapegoat, although they
>> >> >are blameless as a group in this incident by definition. Over years,
>> >> >this becomes a focal point of contradictory thought, leading to
>> >> >irrationality. I'd bet that's what's responsible in your case.
>>
>> >> No, actually, it's not.
>>
>> >I'm afraid I cannot accept your diagnosis, for obvious reasons. If you
>> >get such an opinion from a credentialed professional, we can talk.
>>
>> Your faith in the psychiatric industry is both touching and unfounded:
>> it is absolutely riddled with jew quacks and charlatans. =A0A better
>> example of semitism would be hard to find.
>
>With an attitude like that, you have little hope of recovery.
Assuming, of course, that there is something to recover from.
drahcir
<snip>
> >I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is used more
> >frequently by jews than gentiles.
>
> Of course. And I suspect its use by gentiles more often than not is
> in reference to its overuse by jews.
Those suspicions are simply a function of your neurosis.
>
> > However, I'd guess that the word
> >"naqba" is used more by pallies than non-pallies, etc. So we really
> >haven't established anything important.
>
> I don't know what "naqba" or "pallies" mean, so we haven't really made
> any progress here.
Sorry. I type "pallie" because I'm too lazy for "Palestinian". "Naqba"
is arabic for "catastrophe", refers to the largely self-imposed arab
exodus from Israel in the forties, and has been marketed as the arab
Holocaust, even though there were very few casualties (and probably
even fewer buyers :-).
> >> But to give credit where credit is due, to have one's own brand of
> >> racism was a stroke of marketing genius!
>
> >We didn't invent the word, as you have observed.
>
> True, but to have adopted it and used it as noted would be deserving
> of a Nobel prize.
Well, since one hasn't been awarded, perhaps you should register a
complaint with the Nobel Committee.
>
> >> >> >Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots of stuff -
> >> >> >perceived group behavior is just one component.
>
> >> >> Actual group behaviour is another.
>
> >> >I'm not in the mood for an ontological discussion just now.
>
> >> Cancerous?
>
> >Um, no. I was referring to a discussion of the differences between
> >reality and perceived reality, especially in the neurotic mind.
>
> Are you disputing the existence of actual group behaviour?
Um, no. I am suggesting that in certain individuals, perception is not
a reliable indicator of reality.
>
> >> >> >Many are such due to
> >> >> >their perception that jews killed the "son of god" (as ridiculous as
> >> >> >that may sound). Much antisemitic behavior is actually a function of
> >> >> >neurosis - something happens to an individual for which blame needs t=
> >o
> >> >> >be assigned, and jews become the convenient scapegoat, although they
> >> >> >are blameless as a group in this incident by definition. Over years,
> >> >> >this becomes a focal point of contradictory thought, leading to
> >> >> >irrationality. I'd bet that's what's responsible in your case.
>
> >> >> No, actually, it's not.
>
> >> >I'm afraid I cannot accept your diagnosis, for obvious reasons. If you
> >> >get such an opinion from a credentialed professional, we can talk.
>
> >> Your faith in the psychiatric industry is both touching and unfounded:
> >> it is absolutely riddled with jew quacks and charlatans. =A0A better
> >> example of semitism would be hard to find.
>
> >With an attitude like that, you have little hope of recovery.
>
> Assuming, of course, that there is something to recover from.
Of course. There are actually two components of your problem. The
first is a misperception, and the second is an obsession. They need to
be treated separately.
I've snipped the beginning of this discussion because it was getting
unwieldy, but also because there were a lot of formatting symbols
appearing as text. I don't know if they're coming from you or me.
Dermit Goldstein
<justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 13, 9:15=A0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
><snip>
>> >I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is used more
>> >frequently by jews than gentiles.
>>
>> Of course. =A0And I suspect its use by gentiles more often than not is
>> in reference to its overuse by jews.
>
>Those suspicions are simply a function of your neurosis.
Your assumption that I have a neurosis is merely a function of your
own neurosis.
>> > However, I'd guess that the word
>> >"naqba" is used more by pallies than non-pallies, etc. So we really
>> >haven't established anything important.
>>
>> I don't know what "naqba" or "pallies" mean, so we haven't really made
>> any progress here.
>
>Sorry. I type "pallie" because I'm too lazy for "Palestinian". "Naqba"
>is arabic for "catastrophe", refers to the largely self-imposed arab
>exodus from Israel in the forties, and has been marketed as the arab
>Holocaust, even though there were very few casualties (and probably
>even fewer buyers :-).
Ah, OK, thank you.
>> >> But to give credit where credit is due, to have one's own brand of
>> >> racism was a stroke of marketing genius!
>>
>> >We didn't invent the word, as you have observed.
>>
>> True, but to have adopted it and used it as noted would be deserving
>> of a Nobel prize.
>
>Well, since one hasn't been awarded, perhaps you should register a
>complaint with the Nobel Committee.
Sadly, there is no Nobel prize for marketing/promoting.
>> >> >> >Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots of stuff -
>> >> >> >perceived group behavior is just one component.
>>
>> >> >> Actual group behaviour is another.
>>
>> >> >I'm not in the mood for an ontological discussion just now.
>>
>> >> Cancerous?
>>
>> >Um, no. I was referring to a discussion of the differences between
>> >reality and perceived reality, especially in the neurotic mind.
>>
>> Are you disputing the existence of actual group behaviour?
>
>Um, no. I am suggesting that in certain individuals, perception is not
>a reliable indicator of reality.
So you agree that actual group behaviour among jews exists...
>> >> >> >Many are such due to
>> >> >> >their perception that jews killed the "son of god" (as ridiculous =
>as
>> >> >> >that may sound). Much antisemitic behavior is actually a function =
>of
>> >> >> >neurosis - something happens to an individual for which blame need=
>s t=3D
>> >o
>> >> >> >be assigned, and jews become the convenient scapegoat, although th=
>ey
>> >> >> >are blameless as a group in this incident by definition. Over year=
>s,
>> >> >> >this becomes a focal point of contradictory thought, leading to
>> >> >> >irrationality. I'd bet that's what's responsible in your case.
>>
>> >> >> No, actually, it's not.
>>
>> >> >I'm afraid I cannot accept your diagnosis, for obvious reasons. If yo=
>u
>> >> >get such an opinion from a credentialed professional, we can talk.
>>
>> >> Your faith in the psychiatric industry is both touching and unfounded:
>> >> it is absolutely riddled with jew quacks and charlatans. =3DA0A better
>> >> example of semitism would be hard to find.
>>
>> >With an attitude like that, you have little hope of recovery.
>>
>> Assuming, of course, that there is something to recover from.
>
>Of course. There are actually two components of your problem. The
>first is a misperception, and the second is an obsession. They need to
>be treated separately.
And you are medically qualified to offer this diagnosis?
>I've snipped the beginning of this discussion because it was getting
>unwieldy, but also because there were a lot of formatting symbols
>appearing as text. I don't know if they're coming from you or me.
I'm not sure either...we've had this problem before, haven't we?
drahcir
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:16:32 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>
> >On Dec 13, 9:15=A0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
> ><snip>
> >> >I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is used more
> >> >frequently by jews than gentiles.
>
> >> Of course. =A0And I suspect its use by gentiles more often than not is
> >> in reference to its overuse by jews.
>
> >Those suspicions are simply a function of your neurosis.
>
> Your assumption that I have a neurosis is merely a function of your
> own neurosis.
That's simply ridiculous. I exhibit no neurotic symptoms, whereas you
have perceptual problems and are obsessed. Besides, who ever heard of
a neurotic jew?
I suppose "group behavior" could be defined as behavior exhibited by
a significant majority of individuals in a population. Thus, the first
step would be to define the population in question. If speaking about
a large population such as "jews", it is difficult to imagine that
someone might be familiar with a significant majority of individual
behavior in that group, thus the term is irrelevant. It is possible,
however, to pinpoint group behavior if the group is small enough such
that a majority might be known well. For example, I could say "the
jews on my block, of whom I know personally 75%, seem to have a good
sense of humor". I would then say that a group behavior was
ascertained insofar as the jews on my block are concerned, it being
understood that this is a generality and does not necessarily apply to
each and every individual. For all I know, there could be a real crab
around here.
Of course not. I'm a musician. I just enjoy seeing how far I can go by
bullshitting. You must admit I sound pretty good, no?
>
> >I've snipped the beginning of this discussion because it was getting
> >unwieldy, but also because there were a lot of formatting symbols
> >appearing as text. I don't know if they're coming from you or me.
>
> I'm not sure either...we've had this problem before, haven't we?
Yes.
Aaronovich
On Dec 13, 2:38 pm, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:16:32 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>
> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 13, 9:15=A0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
> ><snip>
> >> >I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is used more
> >> >frequently by jews than gentiles.
>
> >> Of course. =A0And I suspect its use by gentiles more often than not is
> >> in reference to its overuse by jews.
>
> >Those suspicions are simply a function of your neurosis.
>
> Your assumption that I have a neurosis is merely a function of your
> own neurosis.
>That's simply ridiculous. I exhibit no neurotic symptoms...
Stop it Mister backward Richard. Stop it now! You make me pee myself. You
are a born comedian.
Aaronovich
You make me laugh, Mister backward Richard. You are a comedian.
Your "type" comes with four legs, I'll bet.
Bolt Upright
"Aaronovich" <aaron...@home.com> wrote in message
news:hg3p2n$69r$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
drahcir
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I am quite certain that that is your normal mode of relief.
Dermit Goldstein
<justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 13, 2:38=A0pm, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:16:32 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 13, 9:15=3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> ><snip>
>> >> >I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is used more
>> >> >frequently by jews than gentiles.
>>
>> >> Of course. =3DA0And I suspect its use by gentiles more often than not =
>is
>> >> in reference to its overuse by jews.
>>
>> >Those suspicions are simply a function of your neurosis.
>>
>> Your assumption that I have a neurosis is merely a function of your
>> own neurosis.
>
>That's simply ridiculous. I exhibit no neurotic symptoms, whereas you
>have perceptual problems and are obsessed.
Perceptual problems? Obsessed??? That's simply absurd.
> Besides, who ever heard of
>a neurotic jew?
Just about every Gentile, I would imagine.
>> >> > However, I'd guess that the word
>> >> >"naqba" is used more by pallies than non-pallies, etc. So we really
>> >> >haven't established anything important.
>>
>> >> I don't know what "naqba" or "pallies" mean, so we haven't really made
>> >> any progress here.
>>
>> >Sorry. I type "pallie" because I'm too lazy for "Palestinian". "Naqba"
>> >is arabic for "catastrophe", refers to the largely self-imposed arab
>> >exodus from Israel in the forties, and has been marketed as the arab
>> >Holocaust, even though there were very few casualties (and probably
>> >even fewer buyers :-).
>>
>> Ah, OK, thank you.
>>
>> >> >> But to give credit where credit is due, to have one's own brand of
>> >> >> racism was a stroke of marketing genius!
>>
>> >> >We didn't invent the word, as you have observed.
>>
>> >> True, but to have adopted it and used it as noted would be deserving
>> >> of a Nobel prize.
>>
>> >Well, since one hasn't been awarded, perhaps you should register a
>> >complaint with the Nobel Committee.
>>
>> Sadly, there is no Nobel prize for marketing/promoting.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots of stuff =
You would not expect the majority of a group of 100 Swedes to be
exciteable, nor would you expect the majority of a group of 100
Italians to be dour and humourless. There are valid stereotypes to be
drawn.
>> >> >> >> >Many are such due to
>> >> >> >> >their perception that jews killed the "son of god" (as ridiculo=
>us =3D
>> >as
>> >> >> >> >that may sound). Much antisemitic behavior is actually a functi=
>on =3D
>> >of
>> >> >> >> >neurosis - something happens to an individual for which blame n=
>eed=3D
>> >s t=3D3D
>> >> >o
>> >> >> >> >be assigned, and jews become the convenient scapegoat, although=
> th=3D
>> >ey
>> >> >> >> >are blameless as a group in this incident by definition. Over y=
>ear=3D
>> >s,
>> >> >> >> >this becomes a focal point of contradictory thought, leading to
>> >> >> >> >irrationality. I'd bet that's what's responsible in your case.
>>
>> >> >> >> No, actually, it's not.
>>
>> >> >> >I'm afraid I cannot accept your diagnosis, for obvious reasons. If=
> yo=3D
>> >u
>> >> >> >get such an opinion from a credentialed professional, we can talk.
>>
>> >> >> Your faith in the psychiatric industry is both touching and unfound=
>ed:
>> >> >> it is absolutely riddled with jew quacks and charlatans. =3D3DA0A b=
>etter
>> >> >> example of semitism would be hard to find.
>>
>> >> >With an attitude like that, you have little hope of recovery.
>>
>> >> Assuming, of course, that there is something to recover from.
>>
>> >Of course. There are actually two components of your problem. The
>> >first is a misperception, and the second is an obsession. They need to
>> >be treated separately.
>>
>> And you are medically qualified to offer this diagnosis?
>
>Of course not. I'm a musician. I just enjoy seeing how far I can go by
>bullshitting. You must admit I sound pretty good, no?
Up to a point, yes. But I like to think I'm better at it. Perhaps
because I've been doing it longer...
drahcir
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:30:47 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>
>
>
> >On Dec 13, 2:38=A0pm, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:16:32 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>
> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Dec 13, 9:15=3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
> >> ><snip>
> >> >> >I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is used more
> >> >> >frequently by jews than gentiles.
>
> >> >> Of course. =3DA0And I suspect its use by gentiles more often than not =
> >is
> >> >> in reference to its overuse by jews.
>
> >> >Those suspicions are simply a function of your neurosis.
>
> >> Your assumption that I have a neurosis is merely a function of your
> >> own neurosis.
>
> >That's simply ridiculous. I exhibit no neurotic symptoms, whereas you
> >have perceptual problems and are obsessed.
>
> Perceptual problems? Obsessed??? That's simply absurd.
Neurotics often lack the ability to accurately perceive their
disorder, as often would be expected.
>
> > Besides, who ever heard of
> >a neurotic jew?
>
> Just about every Gentile, I would imagine.
LIGHTEN UP. IT WAS A JOKE. I thought you of all people would get it.
Well, how many Swedes have you met? Italians? How do you determine the
accuracy of your stereotype? In any case, the issue is not whether one
chooses to hold to the idea of stereotypes. The issue is whether one
uses that stereotype to prejudge an individual in a personal setting.
Thanks.
Dermit Goldstein
<justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 14, 3:46=A0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:30:47 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>>
>>
>> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 13, 2:38=3DA0pm, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:16:32 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Dec 13, 9:15=3D3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) w=
>rote:
>> >> ><snip>
>> >> >> >I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is used more
>> >> >> >frequently by jews than gentiles.
>>
>> >> >> Of course. =3D3DA0And I suspect its use by gentiles more often than=
> not =3D
>> >is
>> >> >> in reference to its overuse by jews.
>>
>> >> >Those suspicions are simply a function of your neurosis.
>>
>> >> Your assumption that I have a neurosis is merely a function of your
>> >> own neurosis.
>>
>> >That's simply ridiculous. I exhibit no neurotic symptoms, whereas you
>> >have perceptual problems and are obsessed.
>>
>> Perceptual problems? =A0Obsessed??? =A0That's simply absurd.
>
>Neurotics often lack the ability to accurately perceive their
>disorder, as often would be expected.
See below.
>> > Besides, who ever heard of
>> >a neurotic jew?
>>
>> Just about every Gentile, I would imagine.
>
>LIGHTEN UP. IT WAS A JOKE. I thought you of all people would get it.
I hoped it was a joke. But, as you say, neurotics are often unaware
of their neuroses.
>> >> >> > However, I'd guess that the word
>> >> >> >"naqba" is used more by pallies than non-pallies, etc. So we reall=
>y
>> >> >> >haven't established anything important.
>>
>> >> >> I don't know what "naqba" or "pallies" mean, so we haven't really m=
>ade
>> >> >> any progress here.
>>
>> >> >Sorry. I type "pallie" because I'm too lazy for "Palestinian". "Naqba=
>"
>> >> >is arabic for "catastrophe", refers to the largely self-imposed arab
>> >> >exodus from Israel in the forties, and has been marketed as the arab
>> >> >Holocaust, even though there were very few casualties (and probably
>> >> >even fewer buyers :-).
>>
>> >> Ah, OK, thank you.
>>
>> >> >> >> But to give credit where credit is due, to have one's own brand =
>of
>> >> >> >> racism was a stroke of marketing genius!
>>
>> >> >> >We didn't invent the word, as you have observed.
>>
>> >> >> True, but to have adopted it and used it as noted would be deservin=
>g
>> >> >> of a Nobel prize.
>>
>> >> >Well, since one hasn't been awarded, perhaps you should register a
>> >> >complaint with the Nobel Committee.
>>
>> >> Sadly, there is no Nobel prize for marketing/promoting.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots of stu=
>ff =3D
>> >-
>> >> >> >> >> >perceived group behavior is just one component.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Actual group behaviour is another.
>>
>> >> >> >> >I'm not in the mood for an ontological discussion just now.
>>
>> >> >> >> Cancerous?
>>
>> >> >> >Um, no. I was referring to a discussion of the differences between
>> >> >> >reality and perceived reality, especially in the neurotic mind.
>>
>> >> >> Are you disputing the existence of actual group behaviour?
>>
>> >> >Um, no. I am suggesting that in certain individuals, perception is no=
>t
>> >> >a reliable indicator of reality.
>>
>> >> So you agree that actual group behaviour among jews exists...
>>
>> > I suppose "group behavior" could be defined as behavior exhibited by
>> >a significant majority of individuals in a population. Thus, the first
>> >step would be to define the population in question. If speaking about
>> >a large population such as "jews", it is difficult to imagine that
>> >someone might be familiar with a significant majority of individual
>> >behavior in that group, thus the term is irrelevant. It is possible,
>> >however, to pinpoint group behavior if the group is small enough such
>> >that a majority might be known well. For example, I could say "the
>> >jews on my block, of whom I know personally 75%, seem to have a good
>> >sense of humor". I would then say that a group behavior was
>> >ascertained insofar as the jews on my block are concerned, it being
>> >understood that this is a generality and does not necessarily apply to
>> >each and every individual. For all I know, there could be a real crab
>> >around here.
>>
>> You would not expect the majority of a group of 100 Swedes to be
>> exciteable, nor would you expect the majority of a group of 100
>> Italians to be dour and humourless. =A0There are valid stereotypes to be
>> drawn.
>>
>Well, how many Swedes have you met? Italians?
Many of each; jews too.
> How do you determine the
>accuracy of your stereotype?
Based on the size of the sample.
>In any case, the issue is not whether one
>chooses to hold to the idea of stereotypes. The issue is whether one
>uses that stereotype to prejudge an individual in a personal setting.
If it's an accurate stereotype then, statistically, its use in
prejudging an individual is valid.
drahcir
You have no way of determining whether your stereotype is accurate, as
you have implicitly admitted that your sample is by definition small.
The odds against flipping a coin six times in a row and getting heads
each time are not particularly high. Nevertheless, it would be a
mistake to conclude from a sample of six flips that coins are one-
sided. Prejudging an individual is NEVER valid, according to the
definition of prejudice, as well as according to statistics.
Dermit Goldstein
<justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 14, 9:02=A0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:55:01 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>>
>>
>> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 14, 3:46=3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:30:47 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Dec 13, 2:38=3D3DA0pm, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) w=
>rote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:16:32 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Dec 13, 9:15=3D3D3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldste=
>in) w=3D
>> >rote:
>> >> >> ><snip>
>> >> >> >> >I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is used more
>> >> >> >> >frequently by jews than gentiles.
>>
>> >> >> >> Of course. =3D3D3DA0And I suspect its use by gentiles more often=
> than=3D
>> > not =3D3D
>> >> >is
>> >> >> >> in reference to its overuse by jews.
>>
>> >> >> >Those suspicions are simply a function of your neurosis.
>>
>> >> >> Your assumption that I have a neurosis is merely a function of your
>> >> >> own neurosis.
>>
>> >> >That's simply ridiculous. I exhibit no neurotic symptoms, whereas you
>> >> >have perceptual problems and are obsessed.
>>
>> >> Perceptual problems? =3DA0Obsessed??? =3DA0That's simply absurd.
>>
>> >Neurotics often lack the ability to accurately perceive their
>> >disorder, as often would be expected.
>>
>> See below.
>>
>> >> > Besides, who ever heard of
>> >> >a neurotic jew?
>>
>> >> Just about every Gentile, I would imagine.
>>
>> >LIGHTEN UP. IT WAS A JOKE. I thought you of all people would get it.
>>
>> I hoped it was a joke. =A0But, as you say, neurotics are often unaware
>> of their neuroses.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> >> >> > However, I'd guess that the word
>> >> >> >> >"naqba" is used more by pallies than non-pallies, etc. So we re=
>all=3D
>> >y
>> >> >> >> >haven't established anything important.
>>
>> >> >> >> I don't know what "naqba" or "pallies" mean, so we haven't reall=
>y m=3D
>> >ade
>> >> >> >> any progress here.
>>
>> >> >> >Sorry. I type "pallie" because I'm too lazy for "Palestinian". "Na=
>qba=3D
>> >"
>> >> >> >is arabic for "catastrophe", refers to the largely self-imposed ar=
>ab
>> >> >> >exodus from Israel in the forties, and has been marketed as the ar=
>ab
>> >> >> >Holocaust, even though there were very few casualties (and probabl=
>y
>> >> >> >even fewer buyers :-).
>>
>> >> >> Ah, OK, thank you.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> But to give credit where credit is due, to have one's own bra=
>nd =3D
>> >of
>> >> >> >> >> racism was a stroke of marketing genius!
>>
>> >> >> >> >We didn't invent the word, as you have observed.
>>
>> >> >> >> True, but to have adopted it and used it as noted would be deser=
>vin=3D
>> >g
>> >> >> >> of a Nobel prize.
>>
>> >> >> >Well, since one hasn't been awarded, perhaps you should register a
>> >> >> >complaint with the Nobel Committee.
>>
>> >> >> Sadly, there is no Nobel prize for marketing/promoting.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots of =
>stu=3D
>> >ff =3D3D
>> >> >-
>> >> >> >> >> >> >perceived group behavior is just one component.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Actual group behaviour is another.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >I'm not in the mood for an ontological discussion just now.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Cancerous?
>>
>> >> >> >> >Um, no. I was referring to a discussion of the differences betw=
>een
>> >> >> >> >reality and perceived reality, especially in the neurotic mind.
>>
>> >> >> >> Are you disputing the existence of actual group behaviour?
>>
>> >> >> >Um, no. I am suggesting that in certain individuals, perception is=
> no=3D
>> >t
>> >> >> >a reliable indicator of reality.
>>
>> >> >> So you agree that actual group behaviour among jews exists...
>>
>> >> > I suppose "group behavior" could be defined as behavior exhibited by
>> >> >a significant majority of individuals in a population. Thus, the firs=
>t
>> >> >step would be to define the population in question. If speaking about
>> >> >a large population such as "jews", it is difficult to imagine that
>> >> >someone might be familiar with a significant majority of individual
>> >> >behavior in that group, thus the term is irrelevant. It is possible,
>> >> >however, to pinpoint group behavior if the group is small enough such
>> >> >that a majority might be known well. For example, I could say "the
>> >> >jews on my block, of whom I know personally 75%, seem to have a good
>> >> >sense of humor". I would then say that a group behavior was
>> >> >ascertained insofar as the jews on my block are concerned, it being
>> >> >understood that this is a generality and does not necessarily apply t=
>o
>> >> >each and every individual. For all I know, there could be a real crab
>> >> >around here.
>>
>> >> You would not expect the majority of a group of 100 Swedes to be
>> >> exciteable, nor would you expect the majority of a group of 100
>> >> Italians to be dour and humourless. =3DA0There are valid stereotypes t=
>o be
>> >> drawn.
>>
>> >Well, how many Swedes have you met? Italians?
>>
>> Many of each; =A0jews too.
>>
>> > How do you determine the
>> >accuracy of your stereotype?
>>
>> Based on the size of the sample.
>>
>> >In any case, the issue is not whether one
>> >chooses to hold to the idea of stereotypes. The issue is whether one
>> >uses that stereotype to prejudge an individual in a personal setting.
>>
>> If it's an accurate stereotype then, statistically, its use in
>> prejudging an individual is valid.
>
>You have no way of determining whether your stereotype is accurate, as
>you have implicitly admitted that your sample is by definition small.
My initial sample (above) was 100 Swedes and 100 Italians. I've
probably met far more of each, this is Europe, after all.. I don't
think that's a small sample.
>The odds against flipping a coin six times in a row and getting heads
>each time are not particularly high. Nevertheless, it would be a
>mistake to conclude from a sample of six flips that coins are one-
>sided.
Sorry, not a valid analogy,
> Prejudging an individual is NEVER valid, according to the
>definition of prejudice, as well as according to statistics.
Let's suppose that all muggers are young black males (which of course
they are). You are going down a dark street and you see two young
black males approaching. A taxi is approaching. Would you prejudge
the two black young males and take the taxi or rely on your hypothesis
above?
drahcir
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:46:17 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>
>
>
Compared with the respective populations?
>
> >The odds against flipping a coin six times in a row and getting heads
> >each time are not particularly high. Nevertheless, it would be a
> >mistake to conclude from a sample of six flips that coins are one-
> >sided.
>
> Sorry, not a valid analogy,
Why not?
>
> > Prejudging an individual is NEVER valid, according to the
> >definition of prejudice, as well as according to statistics.
>
> Let's suppose that all muggers are young black males (which of course
> they are). You are going down a dark street and you see two young
> black males approaching. A taxi is approaching. Would you prejudge
> the two black young males and take the taxi or rely on your hypothesis
> above?
I would assess the appearance of the people approaching, their look,
how they were interacting, etc.. If based on that, my instinct told me
to take the cab, I would. But that's not prejudging. That's making an
assessment based on limited data, and that data is not simply skin
color. I'd make the same assessment were they white or hispanic. It is
not at all unfathomable to, given your scenario, imagine an instance
where I'd be more afraid of whites than blacks.
Dermit Goldstein
<justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 14, 11:39=A0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:46:17 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>>
>>
>> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 14, 9:02=3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:55:01 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Dec 14, 3:46=3D3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) w=
>rote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:30:47 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Dec 13, 2:38=3D3D3DA0pm, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldste=
>in) w=3D
>> >rote:
>> >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:16:32 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> >> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On Dec 13, 9:15=3D3D3D3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Go=
>ldste=3D
>> >in) w=3D3D
>> >> >rote:
>> >> >> >> ><snip>
>> >> >> >> >> >I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is used m=
>ore
>> >> >> >> >> >frequently by jews than gentiles.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Of course. =3D3D3D3DA0And I suspect its use by gentiles more =
>often=3D
>> > than=3D3D
>> >> > not =3D3D3D
>> >> >> >is
>> >> >> >> >> in reference to its overuse by jews.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Those suspicions are simply a function of your neurosis.
>>
>> >> >> >> Your assumption that I have a neurosis is merely a function of y=
>our
>> >> >> >> own neurosis.
>>
>> >> >> >That's simply ridiculous. I exhibit no neurotic symptoms, whereas =
>you
>> >> >> >have perceptual problems and are obsessed.
>>
>> >> >> Perceptual problems? =3D3DA0Obsessed??? =3D3DA0That's simply absurd=
>.
>>
>> >> >Neurotics often lack the ability to accurately perceive their
>> >> >disorder, as often would be expected.
>>
>> >> See below.
>>
>> >> >> > Besides, who ever heard of
>> >> >> >a neurotic jew?
>>
>> >> >> Just about every Gentile, I would imagine.
>>
>> >> >LIGHTEN UP. IT WAS A JOKE. I thought you of all people would get it.
>>
>> >> I hoped it was a joke. =3DA0But, as you say, neurotics are often unawa=
>re
>> >> of their neuroses.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > However, I'd guess that the word
>> >> >> >> >> >"naqba" is used more by pallies than non-pallies, etc. So we=
> re=3D
>> >all=3D3D
>> >> >y
>> >> >> >> >> >haven't established anything important.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> I don't know what "naqba" or "pallies" mean, so we haven't re=
>all=3D
>> >y m=3D3D
>> >> >ade
>> >> >> >> >> any progress here.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Sorry. I type "pallie" because I'm too lazy for "Palestinian". =
>"Na=3D
>> >qba=3D3D
>> >> >"
>> >> >> >> >is arabic for "catastrophe", refers to the largely self-imposed=
> ar=3D
>> >ab
>> >> >> >> >exodus from Israel in the forties, and has been marketed as the=
> ar=3D
>> >ab
>> >> >> >> >Holocaust, even though there were very few casualties (and prob=
>abl=3D
>> >y
>> >> >> >> >even fewer buyers :-).
>>
>> >> >> >> Ah, OK, thank you.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> But to give credit where credit is due, to have one's own =
>bra=3D
>> >nd =3D3D
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >> >> >> racism was a stroke of marketing genius!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >We didn't invent the word, as you have observed.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> True, but to have adopted it and used it as noted would be de=
>ser=3D
>> >vin=3D3D
>> >> >g
>> >> >> >> >> of a Nobel prize.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Well, since one hasn't been awarded, perhaps you should registe=
>r a
>> >> >> >> >complaint with the Nobel Committee.
>>
>> >> >> >> Sadly, there is no Nobel prize for marketing/promoting.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lots =
>of =3D
>> >stu=3D3D
>> >> >ff =3D3D3D
>> >> >> >-
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >perceived group behavior is just one component.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Actual group behaviour is another.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >I'm not in the mood for an ontological discussion just no=
>w.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Cancerous?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Um, no. I was referring to a discussion of the differences b=
>etw=3D
>> >een
>> >> >> >> >> >reality and perceived reality, especially in the neurotic mi=
>nd.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Are you disputing the existence of actual group behaviour?
>>
>> >> >> >> >Um, no. I am suggesting that in certain individuals, perception=
> is=3D
>> > no=3D3D
>> >> >t
>> >> >> >> >a reliable indicator of reality.
>>
>> >> >> >> So you agree that actual group behaviour among jews exists...
>>
>> >> >> > I suppose "group behavior" could be defined as behavior exhibited=
> by
>> >> >> >a significant majority of individuals in a population. Thus, the f=
>irs=3D
>> >t
>> >> >> >step would be to define the population in question. If speaking ab=
>out
>> >> >> >a large population such as "jews", it is difficult to imagine that
>> >> >> >someone might be familiar with a significant majority of individua=
>l
>> >> >> >behavior in that group, thus the term is irrelevant. It is possibl=
>e,
>> >> >> >however, to pinpoint group behavior if the group is small enough s=
>uch
>> >> >> >that a majority might be known well. For example, I could say "the
>> >> >> >jews on my block, of whom I know personally 75%, seem to have a go=
>od
>> >> >> >sense of humor". I would then say that a group behavior was
>> >> >> >ascertained insofar as the jews on my block are concerned, it bein=
>g
>> >> >> >understood that this is a generality and does not necessarily appl=
>y t=3D
>> >o
>> >> >> >each and every individual. For all I know, there could be a real c=
>rab
>> >> >> >around here.
>>
>> >> >> You would not expect the majority of a group of 100 Swedes to be
>> >> >> exciteable, nor would you expect the majority of a group of 100
>> >> >> Italians to be dour and humourless. =3D3DA0There are valid stereoty=
>pes t=3D
>> >o be
>> >> >> drawn.
>>
>> >> >Well, how many Swedes have you met? Italians?
>>
>> >> Many of each; =3DA0jews too.
>>
>> >> > How do you determine the
>> >> >accuracy of your stereotype?
>>
>> >> Based on the size of the sample.
>>
>> >> >In any case, the issue is not whether one
>> >> >chooses to hold to the idea of stereotypes. The issue is whether one
>> >> >uses that stereotype to prejudge an individual in a personal setting.
>>
>> >> If it's an accurate stereotype then, statistically, its use in
>> >> prejudging an individual is valid.
>>
>> >You have no way of determining whether your stereotype is accurate, as
>> >you have implicitly admitted that your sample is by definition small.
>>
>> My initial sample (above) was 100 Swedes and 100 Italians. I've
>> probably met far more of each, this is Europe, after all.. =A0I don't
>> think that's a small sample.
>
>Compared with the respective populations?
Opinion polls work on precisely this basis. Admittedly, they usually
state what the margin of error is.
>> >The odds against flipping a coin six times in a row and getting heads
>> >each time are not particularly high. Nevertheless, it would be a
>> >mistake to conclude from a sample of six flips that coins are one-
>> >sided.
>>
>> Sorry, not a valid analogy,
>
>Why not?
Too small a sample, compared to all the coins in existence.
>> > Prejudging an individual is NEVER valid, according to the
>> >definition of prejudice, as well as according to statistics.
>>
>> Let's suppose that all muggers are young black males (which of course
>> they are). =A0You are going down a dark street and you see two young
>> black males approaching. =A0A taxi is approaching. =A0Would you prejudge
>> the two black young males and take the taxi or rely on your hypothesis
>> above?
>
>I would assess the appearance of the people approaching, their look,
>how they were interacting, etc.. If based on that, my instinct told me
>to take the cab, I would. But that's not prejudging. That's making an
>assessment based on limited data, and that data is not simply skin
>color.
True, it's skin colour, sex and age. If it were two elderly black
ladies, presumably there would be no need for any kind of assessment.
>I'd make the same assessment were they white or hispanic.
Why, given that all muggers are young black males?
>It is
>not at all unfathomable to, given your scenario, imagine an instance
>where I'd be more afraid of whites than blacks.
Not if it was a mugging you were apprehensive about.
BTW split infinitive...LOL...Merry Channukah!
drahcir
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:50:32 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>
>
>
ehhhh, I'm not convinced of what you say, but I'll let it go.
>
> >> > Prejudging an individual is NEVER valid, according to the
> >> >definition of prejudice, as well as according to statistics.
>
> >> Let's suppose that all muggers are young black males (which of course
> >> they are). =A0You are going down a dark street and you see two young
> >> black males approaching. =A0A taxi is approaching. =A0Would you prejudge
> >> the two black young males and take the taxi or rely on your hypothesis
> >> above?
>
> >I would assess the appearance of the people approaching, their look,
> >how they were interacting, etc.. If based on that, my instinct told me
> >to take the cab, I would. But that's not prejudging. That's making an
> >assessment based on limited data, and that data is not simply skin
> >color.
>
> True, it's skin colour, sex and age. If it were two elderly black
> ladies, presumably there would be no need for any kind of assessment.
>
> >I'd make the same assessment were they white or hispanic.
>
> Why, given that all muggers are young black males?
Take a stroll in the south bronx sometime and see if you are still of
that opinion.
>
> >It is
> >not at all unfathomable to, given your scenario, imagine an instance
> >where I'd be more afraid of whites than blacks.
>
> Not if it was a mugging you were apprehensive about.
>
> BTW split infinitive...LOL...Merry Channukah!
And Happy Christmas to you. Yes, it was clumsy, but I type these
things quickly. It was quite astute of you to, however, catch that.
Dermit Goldstein
<justrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 14, 1:33=A0pm, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:50:32 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>>
>>
>> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 14, 11:39=3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) wrote=
>:
>> >> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:46:17 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Dec 14, 9:02=3D3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldstein) w=
>rote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:55:01 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Dec 14, 3:46=3D3D3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Goldste=
>in) w=3D
>> >rote:
>> >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:30:47 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> >> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On Dec 13, 2:38=3D3D3D3DA0pm, dgoldst...@charter.net (Dermit Go=
>ldste=3D
>> >in) w=3D3D
>> >> >rote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:16:32 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>>
>> >> >> >> >> <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >On Dec 13, 9:15=3D3D3D3D3DA0am, dgoldst...@charter.net (Derm=
>it Go=3D
>> >ldste=3D3D
>> >> >in) w=3D3D3D
>> >> >> >rote:
>> >> >> >> >> ><snip>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >I would guess that on a per capita basis, the word is use=
>d m=3D
>> >ore
>> >> >> >> >> >> >frequently by jews than gentiles.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Of course. =3D3D3D3D3DA0And I suspect its use by gentiles =
>more =3D
>> >often=3D3D
>> >> > than=3D3D3D
>> >> >> > not =3D3D3D3D
>> >> >> >> >is
>> >> >> >> >> >> in reference to its overuse by jews.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Those suspicions are simply a function of your neurosis.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Your assumption that I have a neurosis is merely a function o=
>f y=3D
>> >our
>> >> >> >> >> own neurosis.
>>
>> >> >> >> >That's simply ridiculous. I exhibit no neurotic symptoms, where=
>as =3D
>> >you
>> >> >> >> >have perceptual problems and are obsessed.
>>
>> >> >> >> Perceptual problems? =3D3D3DA0Obsessed??? =3D3D3DA0That's simply=
> absurd=3D
>> >.
>>
>> >> >> >Neurotics often lack the ability to accurately perceive their
>> >> >> >disorder, as often would be expected.
>>
>> >> >> See below.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Besides, who ever heard of
>> >> >> >> >a neurotic jew?
>>
>> >> >> >> Just about every Gentile, I would imagine.
>>
>> >> >> >LIGHTEN UP. IT WAS A JOKE. I thought you of all people would get i=
>t.
>>
>> >> >> I hoped it was a joke. =3D3DA0But, as you say, neurotics are often =
>unawa=3D
>> >re
>> >> >> of their neuroses.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > However, I'd guess that the word
>> >> >> >> >> >> >"naqba" is used more by pallies than non-pallies, etc. So=
> we=3D
>> > re=3D3D
>> >> >all=3D3D3D
>> >> >> >y
>> >> >> >> >> >> >haven't established anything important.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> I don't know what "naqba" or "pallies" mean, so we haven't=
> re=3D
>> >all=3D3D
>> >> >y m=3D3D3D
>> >> >> >ade
>> >> >> >> >> >> any progress here.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Sorry. I type "pallie" because I'm too lazy for "Palestinian=
>". =3D
>> >"Na=3D3D
>> >> >qba=3D3D3D
>> >> >> >"
>> >> >> >> >> >is arabic for "catastrophe", refers to the largely self-impo=
>sed=3D
>> > ar=3D3D
>> >> >ab
>> >> >> >> >> >exodus from Israel in the forties, and has been marketed as =
>the=3D
>> > ar=3D3D
>> >> >ab
>> >> >> >> >> >Holocaust, even though there were very few casualties (and p=
>rob=3D
>> >abl=3D3D
>> >> >y
>> >> >> >> >> >even fewer buyers :-).
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Ah, OK, thank you.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> But to give credit where credit is due, to have one's o=
>wn =3D
>> >bra=3D3D
>> >> >nd =3D3D3D
>> >> >> >of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> racism was a stroke of marketing genius!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >We didn't invent the word, as you have observed.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> True, but to have adopted it and used it as noted would be=
> de=3D
>> >ser=3D3D
>> >> >vin=3D3D3D
>> >> >> >g
>> >> >> >> >> >> of a Nobel prize.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Well, since one hasn't been awarded, perhaps you should regi=
>ste=3D
>> >r a
>> >> >> >> >> >complaint with the Nobel Committee.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Sadly, there is no Nobel prize for marketing/promoting.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Antisemites draw conclusions about jews based on lo=
>ts =3D
>> >of =3D3D
>> >> >stu=3D3D3D
>> >> >> >ff =3D3D3D3D
>> >> >> >> >-
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >perceived group behavior is just one component.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Actual group behaviour is another.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I'm not in the mood for an ontological discussion just=
> no=3D
>> >w.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cancerous?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Um, no. I was referring to a discussion of the difference=
>s b=3D
>> >etw=3D3D
>> >> >een
>> >> >> >> >> >> >reality and perceived reality, especially in the neurotic=
> mi=3D
>> >nd.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Are you disputing the existence of actual group behaviour?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Um, no. I am suggesting that in certain individuals, percept=
>ion=3D
>> > is=3D3D
>> >> > no=3D3D3D
>> >> >> >t
>> >> >> >> >> >a reliable indicator of reality.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> So you agree that actual group behaviour among jews exists...
>>
>> >> >> >> > I suppose "group behavior" could be defined as behavior exhibi=
>ted=3D
>> > by
>> >> >> >> >a significant majority of individuals in a population. Thus, th=
>e f=3D
>> >irs=3D3D
>> >> >t
>> >> >> >> >step would be to define the population in question. If speaking=
> ab=3D
>> >out
>> >> >> >> >a large population such as "jews", it is difficult to imagine t=
>hat
>> >> >> >> >someone might be familiar with a significant majority of indivi=
>dua=3D
>> >l
>> >> >> >> >behavior in that group, thus the term is irrelevant. It is poss=
>ibl=3D
>> >e,
>> >> >> >> >however, to pinpoint group behavior if the group is small enoug=
>h s=3D
>> >uch
>> >> >> >> >that a majority might be known well. For example, I could say "=
>the
>> >> >> >> >jews on my block, of whom I know personally 75%, seem to have a=
> go=3D
>> >od
>> >> >> >> >sense of humor". I would then say that a group behavior was
>> >> >> >> >ascertained insofar as the jews on my block are concerned, it b=
>ein=3D
>> >g
>> >> >> >> >understood that this is a generality and does not necessarily a=
>ppl=3D
>> >y t=3D3D
>> >> >o
>> >> >> >> >each and every individual. For all I know, there could be a rea=
>l c=3D
>> >rab
>> >> >> >> >around here.
>>
>> >> >> >> You would not expect the majority of a group of 100 Swedes to be
>> >> >> >> exciteable, nor would you expect the majority of a group of 100
>> >> >> >> Italians to be dour and humourless. =3D3D3DA0There are valid ste=
>reoty=3D
>> >pes t=3D3D
>> >> >o be
>> >> >> >> drawn.
>>
>> >> >> >Well, how many Swedes have you met? Italians?
>>
>> >> >> Many of each; =3D3DA0jews too.
>>
>> >> >> > How do you determine the
>> >> >> >accuracy of your stereotype?
>>
>> >> >> Based on the size of the sample.
>>
>> >> >> >In any case, the issue is not whether one
>> >> >> >chooses to hold to the idea of stereotypes. The issue is whether o=
>ne
>> >> >> >uses that stereotype to prejudge an individual in a personal setti=
>ng.
>>
>> >> >> If it's an accurate stereotype then, statistically, its use in
>> >> >> prejudging an individual is valid.
>>
>> >> >You have no way of determining whether your stereotype is accurate, a=
>s
>> >> >you have implicitly admitted that your sample is by definition small.
>>
>> >> My initial sample (above) was 100 Swedes and 100 Italians. I've
>> >> probably met far more of each, this is Europe, after all.. =3DA0I don'=
>t
>> >> think that's a small sample.
>>
>> >Compared with the respective populations?
>>
>> Opinion polls work on precisely this basis. =A0Admittedly, they usually
>> state what the margin of error is.
>>
>> >> >The odds against flipping a coin six times in a row and getting heads
>> >> >each time are not particularly high. Nevertheless, it would be a
>> >> >mistake to conclude from a sample of six flips that coins are one-
>> >> >sided.
>>
>> >> Sorry, not a valid analogy,
>>
>> >Why not?
>>
>> Too small a sample, compared to all the coins in existence.
>
>ehhhh, I'm not convinced of what you say, but I'll let it go.
OK, thanks. This discussion has gone as far as it's going to go, I
think. No doubt something more interesting will turn up soon.
>> >> > Prejudging an individual is NEVER valid, according to the
>> >> >definition of prejudice, as well as according to statistics.
>>
>> >> Let's suppose that all muggers are young black males (which of course
>> >> they are). =3DA0You are going down a dark street and you see two young
>> >> black males approaching. =3DA0A taxi is approaching. =3DA0Would you pr=
>ejudge
>> >> the two black young males and take the taxi or rely on your hypothesis
>> >> above?
>>
>> >I would assess the appearance of the people approaching, their look,
>> >how they were interacting, etc.. If based on that, my instinct told me
>> >to take the cab, I would. But that's not prejudging. That's making an
>> >assessment based on limited data, and that data is not simply skin
>> >color.
>>
>> True, it's skin colour, sex and age. =A0If it were two elderly black
>> ladies, presumably there would be no need for any kind of assessment.
>>
>> >I'd make the same assessment were they white or hispanic.
>>
>> Why, given that all muggers are young black males?
>
>Take a stroll in the south bronx sometime and see if you are still of
>that opinion.
The South Bronx has changed beyond recognition. All the burned out
buildings are gone (I actually went looking for them a few years ago).
It almost looks liveable now.
>> >It is
>> >not at all unfathomable to, given your scenario, imagine an instance
>> >where I'd be more afraid of whites than blacks.
>>
>> Not if it was a mugging you were apprehensive about. =A0
>>
>> BTW split infinitive...LOL...Merry Channukah!
>
>And Happy Christmas to you. Yes, it was clumsy, but I type these
>things quickly. It was quite astute of you to, however, catch that.
Another one! Is this the beginning of a new habit?
drahcir
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:53:15 -0800 (PST), drahcir
>
>
>
That one was on purpose.
> ...
>
> read more »
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Nov 25, 4:53 pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
Clip to cut to the chase.
> There is no such thing as "semitism" (Clip gratuitous ad hominem comment)
Semitism or pro-Semitism is a Jewish doctrine also found among some
non-Jews. An example of the latter category would be our own DoD.
Irrespective of what may be in dictionaries, the appended examples
show Semitism being acted out by Jews and cumulatively demonstrate
the doctrine's existence:
G-d's relationship with the Jews in the Torah reflects Semitism
Zionism reflects Semitism.
Jewish/Israeli exceptionalism reflects Semitism.
Jewish/Zionist racism reflects Semitism.
Jewish circumcision reflects Semitism.
The European Jewish incursion into Arab Palestine reflects Semitism.
The corruption of the American Congress on behalf of Israeli Jews
reflects Semitism.
Jewish teachings against intermarriage reflect Semitism.
The Bar Mitzvah ceremony reflects Semitism.
drahcir
wrote:
> On Nov 25, 4:57 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 25, 4:53 pm, "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote:
>
> Clip to cut to the chase.
>
> > There is no such thing as "semitism" (Clip gratuitous ad hominem comment)
>
> Semitism or pro-Semitism is a Jewish doctrine also found among some
> non-Jews. An example of the latter category would be our own DoD.
Hey, cutting to the chase, now there's a novel idea for our resident
blabbermouth. Let's do just that, shall we? Prove your case. Don't
bullshit about "reflections" as you do below - it's nothing more than
the world according to you. Cite just FIVE examples of the word
"Semitism" as you are describing it, in common usage, from a
mainstream source, NOT a nazi website, NOT from usenet. Should you
succeed, I will agree that it is an acceptable term. Should you
decline, you will not only be proven yet again a liar, but you will
also be proven an antisemite. Ball's in your court.
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Dec 15, 12:16 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Clip to cut to the chase.
Ratner:
> > > There is no such thing as "semitism" (Clip gratuitous ad hominem comment)
HHW:
Sure there is. It's a doctrine, an "ism". The doctrine must exist by
operation of elementary logic. For example It either exists or the
doctrine anti-semitism can have no opposite. Why struggle to add pro
or philo to semitism when semitism alone is more than sufficient to
convey the meaning? We certainly know that anti-Semitism exists as you
use it daily. Why do you struggle to deny it an opposite doctrine?
The doctrine of Semitism has equivalents in the language, viz., philo-
semitism and Jewish exceptionalism, the latter being more obviously
specific to my meaning.
Here's what I wrote yesterday *changed* so that you can not pretend to
escape comprehension:
:
Philo-semitism is usually applied to non-Jews who have great love,
respect or sympathy for the Jewish people, their history and
traditions, e.g., our own DoD. Jewish exceptionalism is a near
universal belief found among Jews, e.g., our own drahcir a/k/a Richard
Ratner, your very self. Do a search for "Jewish exceptionalism". You
will discover that Semitism in that form has a very large usage.
Irrespective of what may be in dictionaries, the appended examples
show Semitism/Jewish exceptionalism being acted out by Jews and
cumulatively demonstrate the doctrine's existence:
The God of the Jews' relationship with the Israelites in the Torah
reflects Semitism/Jewish exceptionalism.
Zionism reflects Semitism/Jewish exceptionalism.
Jewish/Israeli exceptionalism reflects Semitism, the opposite of anti-
Semitism.
Jewish/Zionist anti-Palestinian racism, as reflected in Deborah's
Palestinian Kid recipe and her "Fakestinian" comments reflect Semitism/
Jewish exceptionalism.
Jewish circumcision reflects Semitism/Jewish exceptionalism.
The European Zionist incursion into Arab Palestine reflects Semitism/
Jewish exceptionalism.
The corruption of the American Congress on behalf of Israeli Jews
reflects Semitism/Jewish exceptionalism.
Jewish teachings against intermarriage reflect Semitism/Jewish
exceptionalism.
The Bar Mitzvah ceremony reflects Semitism/Jewish exceptionalism.
So do that search and let's talk abut Semitism. It has caused the
American and Middle Eastern peoples great bloodshed and misery. It
needs to be analyzed.
drahcir
wrote:
> On Dec 15, 12:39 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 15, 12:16 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Clip to cut to the chase.
>
> Ratner:
>
> > > > There is no such thing as "semitism" (Clip gratuitous ad hominem comment)
Here's what this loon snipped, from my last post:
Hey, cutting to the chase, now there's a novel idea for our resident
blabbermouth. Let's do just that, shall we? Prove your case. Don't
bullshit about "reflections" as you do below - it's nothing more than
the world according to you. Cite just FIVE examples of the word
"Semitism" as you are describing it, in common usage, from a
mainstream source, NOT a nazi website, NOT from usenet. Should you
succeed, I will agree that it is an acceptable term. Should you
decline, you will not only be proven yet again a liar, but you will
also be proven an antisemite. Ball's in your court.
*****
Not only was our poor H not able to produce 5 examples, he was so
intimidated he snipped away the request! I do believe this proves him
yet again a liar, and implicitly suggests he's an antisemite. The
icing on the cake is that his "clippage" proves him to be a lowly
coward as well.
Thanks, H!
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Dec 15, 8:36 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
Clip unresponsive and ad hominem material.
Did you search "Jewish exceptionalism"? It's a term equivalent to
Semitism. Yet you say Semitism doesn't exist. To which I responded:
> > Sure (it does). It's a doctrine, an "ism". The doctrine must exist by
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Dec 15, 8:36 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 15, 12:39 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 15, 12:16 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Clip to cut to the chase.
>
> > Ratner:
>
> > > > > There is no such thing as "semitism" (Clip gratuitous ad hominem comment)
>
> Here's what this loon snipped, from my last post:
>
> Hey, cutting to the chase, now there's a novel idea for our resident
> blabbermouth. Let's do just that, shall we? Prove your case. Don't
> bullshit about "reflections" as you do below - it's nothing more than
> the world according to you. Cite just FIVE examples of the word
> "Semitism" as you are describing it, in common usage, from a
> mainstream source, NOT a nazi website, NOT from usenet. Should you
> succeed, I will agree that it is an acceptable term. Should you
> decline, you will not only be proven yet again a liar, but you will
> also be proven an antisemite. Ball's in your court.
I've proved the actual existence of Semitism. So does Wiki. I'm not
going to honor any demand you make. I don't do that for miscreants
such as you. Semitism lives, Ratner, in your own wizened bosom.
coaste...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Back under your rock, Ratner? Don't want to talk about Jewish
exceptionalism just now? Previously you have, often in fact. Surely
you remember all those boasts about the myriad accomplishments of Jews
and, essentially, why America should, therefore, support Israeli war
crimes against Palestinians! You're a very big Jewish exceptionalist/
Semitist. It's too bad your personal qualities have prevented your
making any contributions to the Jewish rep. Get the hell out of the
West Bank, Ratner. You can't have it just because you are Semitic and
want it. No, you've blown it. It's almost over.