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Yeah, that's why they voluntarily left retard!
Israel has left Gaza under siege for three-and-half years against
international law.
Gaza has been under a crippling blockade with few essential goods making
it through.
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Only if it were depopulated first.
Well they are doing their very best to do that
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The only way to make sense of Israel's senseless war in Gaza is through
understanding the historical context. Establishing the state of Israel
in May 1948 involved a monumental injustice to the Palestinians. British
officials bitterly resented American partisanship on behalf of the
infant state. On 2 June 1948, Sir John Troutbeck wrote to the foreign
secretary, Ernest Bevin, that the Americans were responsible for the
creation of a gangster state headed by "an utterly unscrupulous set of
leaders". Many used to think that this judgment was too harsh but
Israel's vicious assault on the people of Gaza, and the US complicity in
this assault, have reopened the question.
I think the term you're looking for is 'ethnically cleansed' - and the
atrocity visited upon Gaza in 2008/9 was just another move towards that end.
Not 100% true.
They can import all like under the rules
of the agreement the PA signed in 2005.
Everything else is contraband.
You know that, they know that.
How long are they going to play cry-baby
instead of playing by the rules?
The Rafah Crossing, is the only Gaza crossing that is not run by Israel
and the only one that is not under its direct control, has not been open
since 9 June 2007. Some 6,000 Gazans who were in Egypt at the time it
was closed have been unable to return to their homes and are in severe
distress. The closing of the crossing also denies Gazans any possibility
of going abroad, even for urgent humanitarian purposes, such as medical
treatment.
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Fuck you, Charlie Brown!
When cement and (get ready for this!) PASTA are both prohibited items, the
proof is plain that you're full of shit.
And how about the Gazans that received scholarships abroad but were
prohibited from leaving?
Actually no. When Israel evacuated Gaza it wished it would just go away.
Israel definitely doesn't want it back.
Wrong, Israel doesn't want it back, and Egypt doesn't want it either.
Egypt was offered Gaza and refused the offer.
There are historical reasons why the Egyptians feel this way, they wish they
could wash their hands entirely of the place.
The truth isn that the majority of Egyptians aren't that fond of
Palestinians whom they perceive to be troublemakers .
Really?
The population is increasing exponentially.
You 'offered' Gaza to Egypt?
Not content with stealing land at every opportunity, you now run around
'offering' to others land that doesn't belong to you. What are you?
British?
Thanks BU, and to you.
Let's hope we leave the year better than we found it.
Israel offered Gaza back to Egypt after 1967 ie during the peace talks
between Begin and Sadat.
The Egyptians didn't want to touch the place .
Jordan was also offered the W Bank back after 1967 and King Hussein declined
the offer.
Until recently the Jordanians loathed the Palestinians ,especially after the
PLO moved to Jordan caused a crime wave, blew up airplanes and tried to
topple King Hussein. The Jordanian Army ran the lot of them out of the
kingdom and over the border into Lebanon.
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> Not content with stealing land at every opportunity, you now run around
> 'offering' to others land that doesn't belong to you. What are you?
> British?
Have you been to the ME?
The truth of the matter is most Arabs aren't fond of Palestinians, they look
forward to the day they can send every last one of them out of their
countries and back to Palestine ,which is why they support a Palestinian
state.
Everywhere they have gone they have caused problems with many involved in
crime and sometimes terrorist groups.
Kuwait has thrown everylast one of them out of the country.
On my other computer I have proof of the above, Arab politicans taling
about how their countries have no love for their Palestinian 'brothers'.
Geez this year on the Doha Debates on BBC World, the Arab audience voted in
favour of the argument 'that the Palestinians are their own worst enemies'.
They don't. He drove the PLO out of Jordan and they then went to Lebanon
,where they divided Beirut which lead to the civil war.
Don't you remember?
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>>> Not content with stealing land at every opportunity, you now run around
>>> 'offering' to others land that doesn't belong to you. What are you?
>>> British?
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BU - meet Tilly.
Take it as read, anything she says is crap.
Tilly meet BU
...on second thoughts, don't bother - you're unlikely to ever meet socially.
You don't - how can I put it? - travel in the same social circles.
The basic facts are correct.The Jordanian Army drove the PLO out of Jordan ,
whereupon they went to Lebanon
and caused untold mayhem,dividing Beirut and starting the civil war..
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>>>>> Not content with stealing land at every opportunity, you now run
>>>>> around 'offering' to others land that doesn't belong to you. What are
>>>>> you? British?
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> Tilly meet BU
> ...on second thoughts, don't bother - you're unlikely to ever meet
> socially.
How little you know you 'gleeking, elf-skinned blindworm'.
I wager Gary (Bolt Upright ) would be more than happy to meet me on a
social basis..
How little you know, but then your posts make that patently obvious.
> You don't - how can I put it? - travel in the same social circles.
Confusion has made his masterpiece.
a good time was had by all.
dunno..they tried giving it back to sadat, but he supposedly said:
"not on my life!"
Ok, BU, it's not for me to judge. Suffice to say that I cannot understand
how it would be possible to know someone with such vile opinions and not
have problems with them personally. A person's philosophy is surely that
person, is it not? And if a person's philosophy is vile and obnoxious, then
is that person not also? And if a person is vile and obnoxious how can one
not have a problem with them personally.
You wouldn't have aclue.
My views are neither vile or obnoxious, I am one of the more liberal Jews in
this ng and Gary also knows that..
Fish Supper is a newbie isn't he/she?
He/she doesn't have a clue.
Fair enough, BU. From what I've read of your posts, you know what you're
about - so I'm happy to respect your views. However, from what I've read of
hers, I can't agree with them. But we'll leave it at that.
As for your "side of the house" - I see it as more of a hexagon. The
anti-israel group tends to be divided into anti-zionists, anti-semites and
Nazis; the pro-israel group consists of ignorant, knee-jerk zionists,
Zionazis, and psychologically damaged Defenders of Israel. 6 Groups, 5 of
whom I loathe in different measure. A microcosm of the problem, perchance?
Well you can't have read many, I have been away for months and only returned
3 weeks ago..
>
> As for your "side of the house" - I see it as more of a hexagon. The
> anti-israel group tends to be divided into anti-zionists, anti-semites and
> Nazis; the pro-israel group consists of ignorant, knee-jerk zionists,
> Zionazis, and psychologically damaged Defenders of Israel. 6 Groups, 5 of
> whom I loathe in different measure. A microcosm of the problem, perchance?
rotflmao.
So anyone who defends Israel in any way,shape or form is in your opinion
psychologically damaged.?
Get real.
I would suggest that anyone who makes blanket statements like that is a
narrow minded and ignorant shill.
.
I 6 Groups, 5 of
> whom I loathe in different measure. A microcosm of the problem, perchance?
I at least have lived in Israel and lost friends as a result of terrorism
and war.
There are two sides to the story.
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LIAR!!! They've never been denied return and could've when Egypt
allowed the crossing to be open and unmanned for several weeks....and
no humanitarian supplies are denied.
In fact if boltneck had half-a-brain he'd know that Egypt
administered Gaza from 1948-67 and called it a useless drain!
And wanted nothing to do with it... most Arab nations think of
Palestinians as scum and they're usually kept in separate guarded
camps. Unlike all other Arabs they are not able to invoke universal
citizenship as an "Arab" !No they cannot simply move to any Arab
nation and be considered a citizen- instead they're considered lowlife
scum!
Egypt possessed it before you blithering idiot- Israel offered to
return it and Egypt refused it- they didnt want anything to do with it!
The Jordanians still have a dim view of them... they're just not high
on the list of priorities right now.... Al Qaida and several other
groups are occupying their attention these days... unknown to our
resident racist nitwits Most Arab nations actually fear Al Qaida.
I remember the King of Saudi Arabia throwing them out when they sided
with Saddam... hee hee and most Arab nations used that as an excuse to
stop paying the "Palestinian Tax" which was really extortion money
paid to keep the scum from using terrorism against their hosts. Most
Arab leaders privately admit the Pan-Arab nonsense they've been
chained to for the last 80 years is the only reason they've ever
tolerated or supported the Palestinians in any way- if not for
fanatical Baathists and Muslims they'd have flushed them long ago!
And the Turks are even more adamant about this!
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>> Fish, this would require a lengthy reply and a personal email. Failing
>> that, all I can say is that I don't consider Tilly dishonest or a zionist
>> rotweiler. Sufficice to say that you can't resolve a problem without
>> dialogue with your antagonist(s), and I've always found her someone that
>> I can frankly exchange ideas with without either of us resorting to ad
>> homs or screaming the usual epithets at each other. There's plenty of
>> people on my side of the house that I don't talk to either.
>
> Fair enough, BU. From what I've read of your posts, you know what you're
> about - so I'm happy to respect your views. However, from what I've read
> of hers, I can't agree with them. But we'll leave it at that.
>
> As for your "side of the house" - I see it as more of a hexagon. The
> anti-israel group tends to be divided into anti-zionists, anti-semites and
> Nazis; the pro-israel group consists of ignorant, knee-jerk zionists,
> Zionazis, and psychologically damaged Defenders of Israel. 6 Groups, 5 of
> whom I loathe in different measure. A microcosm of the problem, perchance?
I suppose the type you don't loathe is the ignorant pro-Israelis
(because their problem is mere ignorance)
although if they can't be taught they probably
should be classified differently (Zionazis?)
and if they can be taught then, instead of loathing them,
you should teach them, taking them out of their ignorance.
I also noticed that there is no ignorant anti-zionist type.
Is that deliberate?
But what really interests me is where in the above scheme
you would place me.
Your leaving my type out, or placing me incorrectly,
makes me wonder if you yourself are not, as you say,
"a microcosm of the problem".
My, my - such vanity. No, zev, I haven't mispalced you at all.
Your posts have a quality seldom found outside the zionist school, a quality
that leaves one wondering whether you are ignorant but foolish, i.e you
actually believe the crap you write, or whether your maelevolent racism is
espoused in full awareness of the facts.
In other words, your place is either in the group of psychologically damaged
or in with the zionazis. You choose which. Frankly, I couldn't care less.
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Wrong again. Most arab dictatorships fear Al Qaida. Depending upon in which
arab country you live, AQ would be a blessed change.
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Zionism 101, Chapter 1.
LIE.
If the first lie is disbelieved, shout the lie a second time. If it is
still disbelieved, allow spittle to form and the mouth and point a finger.
If the lie remains disbelieved, invoke the Holocaust and make accusations of
anti-semitism.
You do realise, RabbiJoker, that *you* are the reason that most people the
world over now hate Israel?
Well, that and their addiction to murdering parents in front of their
children.
If you believe in God, you'll have some explaning to do.
In which time you've shown yourself to be a racist, a halfwit and a fool.
If it's any consolation, you're a knee jerk zionist. I don't believe your a
zionazi or a head case - just very, very bigotted and blinkered.
I begin to see what BU means.
I think you could be saved, but it would require a deprogramming reserved
for those saved from sects.
Post one mail of mine in which I have expressed racist sentiments.
Waiting............... Bet you can't, because I don't make them.
> If it's any consolation, you're a knee jerk zionist. I don't believe your
> a zionazi or a head case - just very, very bigotted and blinkered.
You're the blinkered person here not me.
> I begin to see what BU means.
His main beef with me if he still has one is that I exposed Vera
Perks/Mirelle.
I suggest you ask him if I have ever made racist remarks.IIRC BU saying on
several occasions that I am one of those in these ngs that doesn't.
But I'll wait...............................
>
> I think you could be saved, but it would require a deprogramming reserved
> for those saved from sects.
Idiot.
Wrong. On my other computer which I don't have access to at the moment, I
have an article that appeared first in the Turkish press and then in the
Western press regarding the general attitude of Arabs towards Palestinians.
It wasn't flattering .
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>> But what really interests me is where in the above scheme
>> you would place me.
>> Your leaving my type out, or placing me incorrectly,
>> makes me wonder if you yourself are not, as you say,
>> "a microcosm of the problem".
>
> My, my - such vanity. No, zev, I haven't mispalced you at all.
>
> Your posts have a quality seldom found outside the zionist school, a
> quality that leaves one wondering whether you are ignorant but foolish,
> i.e you actually believe the crap you write, or whether your maelevolent
> racism is espoused in full awareness of the facts.
>
> In other words, your place is either in the group of psychologically
> damaged or in with the zionazis. You choose which. Frankly, I couldn't
> care less.
I admit I didn't expect this kind of response
because I don't use the kind of language
nor do I espouse the kind of opinion which would place me in
either group, at least in my opinion.
But in retrospect, I shouldn't be surprised,
innuendo like this seems to be endemic in soc.culture.israel.
Your choice of responding this way,
instead of confronting my alleged
"psychological damage" and "Zionazism" directly,
says more about you than it does about me.
Not that I can recall., I have no particular dislike for any race or
nationality.
I take people on an individual basis. I have never called Muslims Muzzies,
Arabs ragheads etc....
>
> Think very carefully before you reply.
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> amicalement,
>
> Daniel
<SCRATCHING MY HEAD> er eh I'm not wrong- as i pointed out most Arab
nations do fear al qaida... alqaida promises much worse than the pan-
arab socialists currently in power and the people know this... those
who actually have lived in the region and know what they're talking
about- will happily tell you the superficial support is anti-western
not pro-osama. The minority that are true supporters are despised by
the majority- which is why even Hamas has launched military action(s)
against these people.
>
> If you believe in God, you'll have some explaning to do.
BWAHAHHAR poor blithering idiot most people dont hate Israel- just
racist simpletons like yourself... as you bragged yourself If we dont
believe you'll simply shout a second one... how pathetic you are!
Yes thank G-D you're here to fabricate and twist and lie at every
turn... Tilly posted what other say about the French- and at no time
did Tilly say that was how he felt... poor blinking nitwit!
lol......considering I am half French.
It was the French Government I was particularly pissed with, although I
stand by my statement that the French are arrogant.
You will be pleased (or maybe not) to know the French have gone up my
estimation recently.
Lol!
What Tilly will never understand is that the American hatred of France is
based on the French refusal to behave in a suitably subserviant manner and
follow American orders like trained poodles, just as the UK does. She will
never understand that France desires nothing America has.
France is an unspeakably wonderful country and is the only major western
democracy with any moral authority at all.
Her remark about the French being cowards is just typical of the profound
ignorance of the Anglo-Saxon.
She knows nothing about the heroism of the French rearguard action at
Dunkirk, which allowed the British army to escape back to England and live
to fight another day. She knows nothing of the heroism of the French
resistance fighters who sacrificed everything in their fight against the
occupiers. But then, being a zionist, we can understand which side she
sympathises with.
lol.
I'm not American and my mother is French. I used to live in Switzerland so I
know France pretty well.
The French are arrogant, they consider themselves to be superior in all
things.-food , wine, fashion and culture.
That being said I have family and friends who are French.
>
> France is an unspeakably wonderful country and is the only major western
> democracy with any moral authority at all.
rotflamo.
There moral authority has increased recently.
>
> Her remark about the French being cowards is just typical of the profound
> ignorance of the Anglo-Saxon.
>
> She knows nothing about the heroism of the French rearguard action at
> Dunkirk, which allowed the British army to escape back to England and live
> to fight another day. She knows nothing of the heroism of the French
> resistance fighters who sacrificed everything in their fight against the
> occupiers. But then, being a zionist, we can understand which side she
> sympathises with.
Errrrrr, I studied European history, I have a clue.
My cowardly remark mainly refers to France's cowardly attack on the
Greenpeace ship in Auckland harbour in 1985.( 5 minutes from my house)
which violated NZ sovereignty. They did it because Greenpeace and NZers were
protesting French nuclear testing at Mururoa Atoll.
Afterward the French Government lied through their teeth and disn't stick
to the agreement they signed with out Government.Very cowardly.
If their government funded terrorists hadn't bumbled the operation so badly
(it was farcical) it could have been a lot more serious.
French Secret Service agents killed Greenpeace photographer Fernando Pereira
in the attack, in an operation that would have made the bungling Inspector
Clousseau look slick. Despite mounting evidence to the contrary gathered
within days of the attack France continued to deny responsibility for over
two months. Here we trace the events that led to the eventual reluctant
admission of guilt and the disappearance of those responsible.
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/rainbow-warrior-bombing/spy-story
Oh and BTW Segoline Royale's brother was one of the French secret service
agents /bombers.
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BWAHAHAHR poor blithering idiot...the vast majority of the planet has
the same view... which is why they have the old saying "France would
be a beautiful country...if it weren't for all of those French
people"... and this is a joke told by virtually every nation! Funny
how a moron like you would assume the British would be subservient to
anyone bwahahahar you're just too stupid!
snip dimwitted delusional false accusations....
how typical- what you lack in knowledge you make up for in lies and
slander!
Dont forget that the agent convicted in the attack was allowed to
return to work for the govt!!!
>On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:18:12 +1300, "Tilly" <paul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>French Secret Service agents killed Greenpeace photographer Fernando Pereira
>
>The mong killed himself. Only a 'tard runs into a sinking ship to save
>a camera so it's no great loss.
poor reply especially if it is made by a person who claims to be an
observant roman catholic. if the cowardly french did not blow up the
ship he would still be alive.
you should ask yourself the question whose side you are on; are you a
loyal british citzens or lies yourloyalty is with the french. the
solution would be to hand over your double passport to the autorities
One of the bombers in Aucland who got away on the Ouvea was Segolene Royal's
brother.
"Royal's younger brother Antoine told the Parisien that Gerard Royal had
told him that he planted the bombs that sent the Rainbow Warrior to the
bottom of Auckland Harbour in July 1985. "
"News agency AFP, quoting a "specialist" who knew the operatives, said
Gerard Royal was a member of the third team but had not planted the bomb.
The source said Royal had been the pilot of the Zodiac inflatable that had
dropped off two divers to affix the limpet mines to the vessel and picked
them up afterwards."
Presidential hopeful's brother bombed the Rainbow Warrior
A BROTHER of French presidential hopeful Segolene Royal planted the bombs
that killed a crew member on the Greenpeace flagship Rainbow Warrior in
Auckland in 1985, a family member said yesterday.
Antoine Royal, another brother of Segolene, 53, told the Parisien newspaper
his brother Gerard was a member of the French intelligence sabotage squad
who planted the bombs on the Rainbow Warrior.
Miss Royal, who has not commented on Antoine's statement, officially entered
the race for next year's French presidential elections on Friday when she
announced she was a candidate for the socialist party's nomination.
Antoine Royal said yesterday: "At the time Gerard was a lieutenant and agent
of the DGSE [intelligence agency] in Asia.
"He was asked in 1985 to go to New Zealand, to Auckland harbour, to sabotage
the Rainbow Warrior," Mr Royal said. "Later he told me that it was he who
planted the bomb on the Greenpeace ship.,
He was able to escape the New Zealand authorities. My sister learnt that he
was present during the operation from a recent article in the press."
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/09/30/1159337388589.html
You should be angry, Pereira lived in the Netherlands and his wife and
daughter are Dutch.
Absolutely and my mother had a very French surname before she married.
A German Jewess?
Really?
rotflmao.
Racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My mother was French, my grandparents moved to Dusseldorf to be near her
family.
My mother was hardly there, she went to school at Lake Como in Italy .My
grandparents moved to Milan before havig to flee Italy.
>>I used to live in Switzerland so I
>>know France pretty well.
I travelled there quite often
>
> BWHAHAHA!
>
> Now you are really reaching!
>
>>The French are arrogant, they consider themselves to be superior in all
>>things.-food , wine, fashion and culture.
>>That being said I have family and friends who are French.
>>
> Of course you do, twatty...........................
>
>>>
>>> France is an unspeakably wonderful country and is the only major western
>>> democracy with any moral authority at all.
>>
>>rotflamo.
>>There moral authority has increased recently.
>>>
> I thought you studied English as one of your seven hundred degrees.
>
>>> Her remark about the French being cowards is just typical of the
>>> profound
>>> ignorance of the Anglo-Saxon.
>>>
>>> She knows nothing about the heroism of the French rearguard action at
>>> Dunkirk, which allowed the British army to escape back to England and
>>> live
>>> to fight another day. She knows nothing of the heroism of the French
>>> resistance fighters who sacrificed everything in their fight against the
>>> occupiers. But then, being a zionist, we can understand which side she
>>> sympathises with.
>>
>>Errrrrr, I studied European history, I have a clue.
>>My cowardly remark mainly refers to France's cowardly attack on the
>>Greenpeace ship in Auckland harbour in 1985.( 5 minutes from my house)
>
> Ah you mean the attack you claim to have single-handedly solved?
>
>>which violated NZ sovereignty. They did it because Greenpeace and NZers
>>were
>>protesting French nuclear testing at Mururoa Atoll.
>
> Which happens to be French territory.
>
>>Afterward the French Government lied through their teeth and disn't stick
>>to the agreement they signed with out Government.
>
> What the devil do you know about the incident? For ages, you claimed
> that the incident was authorised by someone who was not even President
> at the time.
New Zealand says it is unlikely to act over claims the brother of a French
presidential candidate was behind the 1985 bombing of a Greenpeace ship.
Segolene Royal's brother Gerard planted the bombs that sank the Rainbow
Warrior in Auckland harbour, another brother, Antoine Royal, said at the
weekend.
The New Zealand government said the case had been closed since 1991 and was
unlikely to be re-opened.
The attack on the ship killed photographer Fernando Pereira.
French secret service agents planted two bombs on the sides of the ship in
an attempt to sabotage Greenpeace's campaign against France's nuclear
testing in the Pacific.........................
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I forgot the link.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5398170.stm
A boat, a blast and a story that glows in the dark - Editorials &
Commentary - International Herald Tribune
Andrew Johnston
PARIS - Every foreigner who moves to France, it seems, has a kind of
love-hate relationship with this proud, troubled place. For a New Zealander,
it goes like this. You're just settling into that home-away-from home
feeling when two ominous words come bubbling back up from the depths:
Rainbow Warrior.
Recently, it was the revelation that G�rard Royal, a brother of the
Socialist Party's leading presidential hopeful, S�gol�ne Royal, was one of
the intelligence agents who bombed the Greenpeace protest ship in Auckland
harbor in 1985, killing a Portuguese photographer.
One of S�gol�ne Royal's rivals for the Socialist candidacy, Laurent Fabius,
was France's prime minister at the time of the bombing. And both Fabius and
Royal lay claim to being the true inheritors of the mantle of President
Fran�ois Mitterrand. Last year it was revealed that Mitterrand had
personally authorized the attack, which made headlines around the world.
After the bombing - intended to pre-empt a floating protest against French
nuclear tests in the South Pacific - France and all things French fell into
decline in New Zealand, whose people tended to take the attack personally (a
favorite T-shirt for young New Zealanders visiting France bore the slogan,
"If it's safe, test it in Paris").
To no one's surprise, ties between the two countries entered a deep chill.
When New Zealand imprisoned the two agents it had managed to catch, France
threatened to block New Zealand exports to the European Community if they
weren't released. Under an agreement negotiated by the UN secretary general,
Javier P�rez de Cu�llar, the agents were shifted to a French military base
in the South Pacific - but France then brought them home early.
By the time I moved to France in 1997, some of this was already water under
the bridge. But I hadn't counted on the way the Rainbow Warrior affair had
hit a nerve that goes on jangling in the head of many a Frenchman. On a walk
in the country with Lucien, my future father- in-law, he declared that he
thought the bombing was a good thing. That boat, he said, had been planning
to sail into French waters. "Paff!" he exclaimed, pounding his fist into his
hand.
New Zealanders have lived for 21 years with the conundrum that a Socialist
government, fearing a floating protest against its nuclear tests in the
South Pacific, could blow up an environmental group's boat in the harbor of
a friendly nation. Many concluded that it was the kind of thing that only
France could do, with its regal assumptions of superiority and global reach.
New Zealanders are getting over all this (I married Lucien's daughter, after
all) and so are the French (as mayor of his village, Lucien performed the
ceremony). After the news about G�rard Royal, New Zealand's current prime
minister, Helen Clark, declared emphatically that the matter was closed and
no new inquiry was possible.
But the curious truth is that at some level the estrangement will endure,
because of the radioactive potato that touched off the whole Rainbow Warrior
affair: nuclear energy and nuclear weapons.
France's modern identity is inextricably tied to its nuclear "force de
frappe" - made up of the bombs that until 1995 it tested at Mururoa Atoll in
the South Pacific - and its love of nuclear power, which supplies 75 percent
of its electricity.
If Frenchness is about being nuclear and proud of it, New Zealandness is
about taking a stand against anything with the slightest whiff of
radioactivity. Already in 1973, a left-wing government had sent a cabinet
minister on a navy frigate to protest a French nuclear test at Mururoa. The
year of the Rainbow Warrior bombing, Prime Minister David Lange instigated a
ban on nuclear-armed or nuclear-powered ships.
The ban cost New Zealand its status as a U.S. ally, but was so popular with
New Zealanders that it has been supported by left and right ever since.
An official thaw is finally under way between New Zealand and France, due in
no small part to the activism of France's current ambassador to New Zealand,
Jean-Michel Marlaud, who was the force behind an invitation to New Zealand
to send 12 writers to a literary festival in France next month, Les Belles
Etrang�res.
But for a New Zealander living in France, it's still an itchy scar. The
other day, in a butcher's shop, when I confessed to being a New Zealander, a
customer grumbled, "Ah, les N�o- Z�landais, you who harassed us over that
Rainbow Warrior business."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/09/opinion/09iht-edjohnston.3087530.html
Really???
Yes you are an "epic fail" as a humane individual- that has been a
noted fact for a long time!
Yeah, and as far from metropolitan France as it's possible to get and still
remain on the planet. If these people want to test nukes, let 'em dig a hole
under Tours and pop them off!
>>>> French Secret Service agents killed Greenpeace photographer Fernando Pereira
Oh, so the French armed forces managed to kill someone?
> There are nearly 65 million Frenchmen and women alive today
Yes. And more than a fair share of them are rather nasty:
"French tourists are the worst in the world, coming across as penny-
pinching, rude and terrible at languages, according to a new survey".
Quite right
The protests worked too, not long after the French announced they would no
longer conduct nuclear
tests at Mururoa.
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>>>Afterward the French Government lied through their teeth and disn't
>>>stick
>>>to the agreement they signed with out Government.
>>
>> What the devil do you know about the incident? For ages, you claimed
>> that the incident was authorised by someone who was not even President
>> at the time.
>> --
>> amicalement,
>>
>> Daniel
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