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Free Lunch  
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 More options May 5 2012, 11:49 pm
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From: Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 22:49:11 -0500
Local: Sat, May 5 2012 11:49 pm
Subject: Re: UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...
On Sun, 6 May 2012 04:24:02 +0200, "Tronscend" <tronf...@frizurf.no>
wrote in alt.atheism:

>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> skrev i melding
>news:m64bq7lu6b4aojqr35dq4cv3luq7qtjkf1@4ax.com...

>>>DEMAND COMPETANCE.

>Now there's a winner.

Please, give credit where it is due: Manfred.

 
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MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE  
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 More options May 6 2012, 2:09 am
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From: MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE <ExPresid...@au.revoir.gov>
Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 06:09:18 GMT
Local: Sun, May 6 2012 2:09 am
Subject: Re: UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...
Free Lunch

> On Sun, 6 May 2012 04:24:02 +0200, "Tronscend"
>>"Free Lunch"
>>>>DEMAND COMPETENCE.

>>Now there's a winner.

> Please, give credit where it is due: Manfred.

Pity for the Guilty is Treason to the Innocent.
In any conflict between Good and Evil,
the more consistent Prevails,
and the most committed Wins.

I believe we have a BINGO.

LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?
---
History repeats itself, first as Tragedy, then as FARCE.

     Sooner or later you figure out that pragmatism and compromise
        are principles in a democracy. It's not selling out your convictions.
                        -- CLINTON'05.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/newshutr/clintons_new_book.jpg
                EIGHT Years of BUBBA in a Nutshell.

   "And with Ipods and Ipads; and Xboxes and Playstations-none of which
    I know how to work, information becomes a distraction, a form of
    entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment, rather than a means
    of emancipation."
                -- OBAMA'10, rationalizing why he
                  misunderestimated the Arab-Spring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc
            FOUR Years of OBAMA in a Nutshell

  "to leave now we would  send a message to terrorists
   and other potential adversaries around the world that
   they can change our policies by killing our people.  
   It would be open season on Americans."
      -- Bill Clinton '93
           just before he pulled out of Somalia.

    To abandon this area now -- and to rely only on efforts against
    alQaeda from a distance -- would significantly hamper our ability to
    keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and create an unacceptable risk of
    additional attacks on our homeland and our allies.
                -- OBAMA'09

"We'll actually have to work very hard to kill
  as many people in the 21st century.
  What's the difference?
  This time, you think the victim could be you,"
                    Clinton'07

OBAMA's ready to show us the world actually easy it really was.
Why shouldn't the Guilty be Rewarded?


 
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Discussion subject changed to "USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes..." by jonathan
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 More options May 6 2012, 9:07 am
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From: "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 09:07:31 -0400
Local: Sun, May 6 2012 9:07 am
Subject: Re: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...

"Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:jo3jl0$8bs$1@dont-email.me...

> UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...

> So Drudge has the following headline currently posted today on May 5,
> 2012: UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...

> Okay, I say we start by giving back the land the United Nations is housed
> on in the New York City borough of Manhattan -- land which was "purchased"
> from Native Americans for $24 of trinkets since we all know those "evil"
> Anglo-Christian traders from Holland in reality must have "tricked" the
> Indians into accepting such a shoddy offer...

Where I live we did give their lands back.

"This is a proud moment for the Seminole Tribe
of Florida and for all Indian tribes," said Mitchell
Cypress, chairman of the Tribal Council.

"Our ancestors sold Manhattan for trinkets," Osceola said.
"Now, with the acquisition of the Hard Rock Cafe, we're
going to buy Manhattan back one hamburger at a time."

Osceola spoke at a news conference announcing the deal
with British company Rank Group PLC for Hard Rock's
casinos, restaurants, hotels...

"U.S. tribes now have more than $22 billion in annual
revenues from gambling, according to government figures.

"In 2003, one year before the Seminole Hard Rock opened
in Hollywood, each member made $36,000 per year, and
that jumped to about $50,000 in late 2004, according to
tribal members.

The tribe's expanding finances and gambling influence has
translated into greater wealth for its nearly 3,300 members.
Each Seminole, children and adults alike, receives a monthly
dividend check of $7,000, or $84,000 annually, as his or
her share of money made from the casinos.

In addition to its two Seminole Hard Rock hotels and casinos,
the Seminole Tribe owns and operates five other casinos in
Florida. More than 90 percent of the tribe's budget now
comes from gambling.

In Florida alone, the Seminoles' seven casinos and the one
Miccosukee casino generated an estimated $1.3 billion in
revenue last year.
http://www.indiancountrynews.info/fullstory.cfm-ID=527.htm

With all the gambling, maybe now they're taking
advantage of us?

s


 
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 More options May 6 2012, 9:27 am
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From: Andrew Chaplin <ab.chap...@yourfinger.rogers.com>
Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:27:21 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sun, May 6 2012 9:27 am
Subject: Re: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...
"jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:IKadndaafKX16jvSnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Where I live we did give their lands back.

<snip>

> In Florida alone, the Seminoles' seven casinos and the one
> Miccosukee casino generated an estimated $1.3 billion in
> revenue last year.
> http://www.indiancountrynews.info/fullstory.cfm-ID=527.htm

> With all the gambling, maybe now they're taking
> advantage of us?

Well, at least those of whom advantage is being taken volunteer for it.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

 
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Discussion subject changed to "UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes..." by Tronscend
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 More options May 6 2012, 9:32 am
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From: "Tronscend" <tronf...@frizurf.no>
Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 15:32:22 +0200
Local: Sun, May 6 2012 9:32 am
Subject: Re: UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...

"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> skrev i melding
news:r4tbq7t3o01acie5n9skvt7ku9o565shdf@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 6 May 2012 04:24:02 +0200, "Tronscend" <tronf...@frizurf.no>
> wrote in alt.atheism:

>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> skrev i melding
>>news:m64bq7lu6b4aojqr35dq4cv3luq7qtjkf1@4ax.com...

>>>>DEMAND COMPETANCE.

>>Now there's a winner.

> Please, give credit where it is due: Manfred.

Sorry for illustrating my words with actions ....

 
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MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE  
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 More options May 6 2012, 12:02 pm
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From: MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE <ExPresid...@au.revoir.gov>
Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 16:02:53 GMT
Local: Sun, May 6 2012 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...
"Tronscend"

> "Free Lunch"
>> On Sun, 6 May 2012 04:24:02 +0200, "Tronscend"
>>>"Free Lunch"

>>>>>DEMAND COMPETENCE.

>>>Now there's a winner.

>> Please, give credit where it is due: Manfred.

> Sorry for illustrating my words with actions ....

Once again the LIBs Ceasless Quest for the Unearned
remains ceaseless, because the Value illicitly obtained retains no Value.

LIBs would have you pity the Devil for being EVIL.

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/160688.jpg
          What do you mean WE Paleface?

LIB Hypocracy,
Characterized for those with eyes that do not refuse to see.
---
A Taxpayer voting for OBAMA is like a Chicken voting for Col. Sanders...
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/123755.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc
        FOUR YEARS OF OBAMA IN A NUTSHELL


 
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 More options May 7 2012, 4:11 pm
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From: Thomas Heger <ttt_...@web.de>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 22:11:49 +0200
Local: Mon, May 7 2012 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...
Am 05.05.2012 18:14, schrieb Warhol:

> UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...

> So Drudge has the following headline currently posted today on May 5,
> 2012: UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...

> Okay, I say we start by giving back the land the United Nations is
> housed on in the New York City borough of Manhattan -- land which was
> "purchased" from Native Americans for $24 of trinkets since we all know
> those "evil" Anglo-Christian traders from Holland in reality must have
> "tricked" the Indians into accepting such a shoddy offer...

> And after that, the UN can give back to the American people all the
> national parks and land American presidents have signed over to it via
> executive orders as collateral for some supposed "national debt" that is
> in reality no debt of the American people to begin with...

The USA has strange laws. But nations are not owners of the land. The
USA is a piece of the surface of the Earth, surrounded by a border. This
piece of land IS the USA. So the USA cannot buy or sell a piece of the
nation. Only politicians could sell property of the nation, but not the
nation itself.

All the people living legitimately within this borders are citizens of
the United States, what would include native Americans.

These tribes are often called 'nation', but the term nation refers to
the entire USA. The tribes are owners of some areas. Their land has been
robbed by American (and foreign) solders, companies and individuals.

If there are still tribes, from which land was stolen and the current
owner could be identified, than possibly the owner had to return it. (In
Germany we have 'Verjährung'. This means, that someone has to claim his
rights within one generation - 30 years - or the rights are lost).

Anyhow - the case is between the former and the current owner of a patch
of land. To decide such a case it takes an appropriate law and a court.

The UN is now not the organisation, that makes laws. Laws are made by
the legislative branch of the government. The UN can only make general
statements and demand, that certain subjects have to be solved. But
reverting 18th and 19th century injustice could only be done now, if
current injustice is created.

Usually it is a good idea to settle subjects in a certain limit, what
would be clearly exceeded in this case.


 
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 More options May 7 2012, 4:28 pm
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From: Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:28:12 +0100
Local: Mon, May 7 2012 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...
In article <a0qokuFdf...@mid.individual.net>, ttt_...@web.de says...

> All the people living legitimately within this borders are citizens of
> the United States, what would include native Americans.

I thought they,  technically,  weren't.

--
William Black

When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
time to leave.


 
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 More options May 9 2012, 1:15 am
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From: Thomas Heger <ttt_...@web.de>
Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 07:15:03 +0200
Local: Wed, May 9 2012 1:15 am
Subject: Re: UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...
Am 07.05.2012 22:28, schrieb Bill:
> In article<a0qokuFdf...@mid.individual.net>, ttt_...@web.de says...

>> All the people living legitimately within this borders are citizens of
>> the United States, what would include native Americans.

> I thought they,  technically,  weren't.

??
I would guess, the so called Indians are citizens of the USA.

But I'm not sure about this and it would surprise me, if the US found
ways to reject their citizenship.

(Actually these people have nothing to do with India, so 'Indians' is a
VERY silly name.)

But how do you define 'citizen of the USA', if people, that lived in the
USA  for millennia would be excluded?

TH


 
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 More options May 9 2012, 9:03 am
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From: "Jim H." <ironduff...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 06:03:28 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 9 2012 9:03 am
Subject: Re: UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...
On May 9, 1:15 am, Thomas Heger <ttt_...@web.de> wrote:
.......>
> (Actually these people have nothing to do with India, so 'Indians' is a
> VERY silly name.)

..............

Thank an Italian working for the Spanish for that misnomer.....
Columbus thought he was _way_ further west than he was.

Jim H.


 
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