Nazi pigs in British government
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
I=P
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Frank Matthews
Oh goody, two snubs in one trip. Perhaps they'll wake up and
notice the rest of the world.
Frank Matthews
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
Emily Brunner (e-br...@uchicago.edu) wrote:
: 1. This has nothing to do with Ireland.
=======
I know, you like make deal with PLO&Hamas people, here the resault of
PLO&Hamas attacks:
ARAB ATTACK SUMMARY
: From the start of Oslo in 9/93 to 5/97, Arabs committed these
: attacks against Jews in Yesha, NOT counting attacks in Israel:
: 448 stabbings
: 642 shootings
: 261 bombings
: 1,898 firebombings
: 111 grenades
: 3,360 Attacks NOT counting stonings and beatings.
: These attacks injured 1,527 people, of whom 89 died (Dan Nimrod,
: Dawn Pub., 3/98 from Outpost, 5/97).
I=P
BTW. maybe it is not so stupid idea began to support IRA and Unionist as well,
if G.B. strightly support PLO/Hamas. We can also have great opportunity to
teach England/Irish to make peace.
JeffersonG_Taylor
And check your use of the word Nazi, kid. The British died at the hands
of Hitler's troops as well.
Just because someone disagrees with a Jewish point of view doesn't mean
they are an anti-semite or Nazi. It only implies that they have a
differing opinion.
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
> in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
> was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
> Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
> refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
> all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
> I=P
>
> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
>
>
Jefferson G. Taylor
-------------------
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home, but unlike charity, it
should end there. -
Clare Boothe Luce
AL SHEKHTMAN
Maybe Cooks grandpa got kicked in the ass before he jumped in the sea in
1948.
Frank Matthews <matt...@GAUSS.CL.UH.EDU> wrote in article
<3510516F...@GAUSS.CL.UH.EDU>...
> Oh goody, two snubs in one trip. Perhaps they'll wake up and
> notice the rest of the world.
>
> Frank Matthews
>
Neil Alasdair McEwan
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
: Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
: in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
: was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
: Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
: refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
: all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
So he didn't prostrate himself before the altar and you're miffed
about it, what does this have to do with soc.culture.irish?
le meas
Neil
--
Emily Brunner
1. This has nothing to do with Ireland.
2. Few things piss me off as much as people calling anyone who disagrees
with them a Nazi. To me, it cheapens the memory of the real horror
perpetrated by the Nazis.
3. Within the past two hours, you've accused Robin Cook of being both a
Nazi and a communist. This seems to me to be an either/or situation.
He can't be both.
4. Could you please take this somewhere else?
Emily
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
> in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
> was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
> Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
> refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
> all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
Grigori Khaskin
unki funki boots (kfuz...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: Good for Robin Cook. He is not a snivelling little American politician
: working for Tel Avi. He is concerned, as are most Europeans about
: Isreal wiping their arses in the Oslo accord. Which they signed and then
: did a double-take on. If you are posting this to Irish newsgroup to get
: sympath for your little Zionist Empire well you made a big mistake.
Did you tried ever put to work your pea-sized brain?
Just imagine, that Foreign minister Levi comes to Dublin/ Derri and start
teach you what an idiots you are and who will get what part of the
country. And another good idea, - what EU/bllody Cook are doing - put in
normal perspective - why not Israel will start selling wheapons and
support financially Shinn Fein AND unionists, but some of them more of
course. Will you be happy? Due to Oslo accord - you may sniff the paper
put to use - as you described but mostly by so-called "palestinians" who
did not honour even one provisions of it - and have a pleasant time.
: But God is on your side, so don't worry.
And all idiots and nazis are on yours. If I were you I would start
worrying.
G.K.
Grigori Khaskin
JeffersonG_Taylor (jgta...@valdosta.edu) wrote:
: And check your use of the word Nazi, kid. The British died at the hands
: of Hitler's troops as well.
Do you imply that it was absolutely NO British nazis? I think you dead
wrong. It was, it was, it is. It was open nazis, it was how to say it
better - "sympatizers"? - like former king who spent all war dealing with
Hitler emissaries in France/Spain, thinking how to get back to throne?
Do you think that nation up to the last man/woman immune to nazi or
communist desease?
G.K.
: Just because someone disagrees with a Jewish point of view doesn't mean
: they are an anti-semite or Nazi. It only implies that they have a
: differing opinion.
: On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
: > Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
: > in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
: > was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
: > Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
: > refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
: > all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
: > I=P
: >
: > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
: > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
: >
: >
: Jefferson G. Taylor
Peter H.M. Brooks
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.980318221241.21545D-100000@grits>
jgta...@valdosta.edu "JeffersonG_Taylor" writes:
>
> Just because someone disagrees with a Jewish point of view doesn't mean
> they are an anti-semite or Nazi. It only implies that they have a
> differing opinion.
>
Careful lad, you are stepping in a minefield that has been carefully laid
by the appologists for the state of Israel! This is exactly what the
state of Israel has been trying to make standard Yank thinking. Anybody
who finds the most recent Israeli atrocity upsetting wants them all
to be popped into gas chambers.
Israel learned propaganda from the Nazis, it is consequently quite good
at it.
--
Peter H.M. Brooks
Ian Brawn
Grigori Khaskin wrote:
> Do you imply that it was absolutely NO British nazis? I think you dead
> wrong.
If by "nazi" you mean right-wing, unsavoury characters, I think we can
agree that all nations have their share of those. It is all too obvious
that Israel does.
Ian.
Charles Cawley
It all seems rather unfair to pigs, let alone the British.
Of course the title was designed to draw attention. I do it all the time.
Look at the post about Mr Wittgenstein and Mr Hilter above.
However, anyone who has lived with Nazies or even worse under a Nazi regime,
will tell you just what that really means. They tend to be careful how they
use the word. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, if I were a
Palastinian, I think I would be more than a little fed up with my lot and
what happened over the last few decades.
Regards,
Charles Cawley. A Democratic 'pig'. Gatewa...@BTinternet.com
Poul A. Costinsky
Emily Brunner(e-br...@uchicago.edu) at Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:05:49 GMT
wrote in article <35107D...@uchicago.edu>
|3. Within the past two hours, you've accused Robin Cook of being both a
|Nazi and a communist. This seems to me to be an either/or situation.
|He can't be both.
Well, it's common mistake. Nazism and communism are very close, and
one can easily and fast move from one to another and back.
Examples are numerous.
--
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Poul.
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Jerry Martín
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:40:04 -0600, Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>Emily Brunner (e-br...@uchicago.edu) wrote:
>: 1. This has nothing to do with Ireland.
>=======
>I know, you like make deal with PLO&Hamas people, here the resault of
>PLO&Hamas attacks:
>
>ARAB ATTACK SUMMARY
>: From the start of Oslo in 9/93 to 5/97, Arabs committed these
>: attacks against Jews in Yesha, NOT counting attacks in Israel:
>
>: 448 stabbings
>: 642 shootings
>: 261 bombings
>: 1,898 firebombings
>: 111 grenades
>: 3,360 Attacks NOT counting stonings and beatings.
>
>: These attacks injured 1,527 people, of whom 89 died (Dan Nimrod,
>: Dawn Pub., 3/98 from Outpost, 5/97).
>
>I=P
>BTW. maybe it is not so stupid idea began to support IRA and Unionist as well,
>if G.B. strightly support PLO/Hamas. We can also have great opportunity to
>teach England/Irish to make peace.
Never consider supporting the murdering scum of the IRA who in many
ways mirror the PLO and their ilk. The loyal people of Ulster are
behind you.
**********************************************
Jerry Martín
**********************************************
My tongue has a phenomenal pain threshold.
**********************************************
Jerry Martín
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:24:23 -0600, Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
>in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
>was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
>Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
>refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
>all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
Cook is a little poison dwarf shit. Loyal Ulster supports you.
Jerry Martín
>1. This has nothing to do with Ireland.
That's fucking rich coming from this newsgroup, messages from which
can be found on up to 30+ other ng's.. can't they Greg?
lao...@rocketmail.com
In article <6epher$td9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
> in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
> was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
> Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
> refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
> all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
Good. There's too much knee-bending to Israel anyway from the Western World.
Laochra
Cris
Poul A. Costinsky wrote:
>
> Emily Brunner(e-br...@uchicago.edu) at Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:05:49 GMT
> wrote in article <35107D...@uchicago.edu>
> |3. Within the past two hours, you've accused Robin Cook of being both a
> |Nazi and a communist. This seems to me to be an either/or situation.
> |He can't be both.
>
> Well, it's common mistake. Nazism and communism are very close, and
> one can easily and fast move from one to another and back.
> Examples are numerous.
I strongly beg to differ here!
1. Nazis believed in racial superiority - communists believe in the
international solidarity of the working class.
2. Nazis were rabidly anti-communist and communists were one of the
various groups that ended up in concentration camps immediately after
1933 - many communists and socialists were of Jewish origin and
communist resistance to the Nazis was the most numerous and effective
before 1942.
3. If you refer to the old (and passé) argument that both Nazi Germany
and the Sowjet Union were totalitarian regimes and therefore the same,
this has long since refuted by pointing out the obvious differences
between the two regimes. Moreover, calling the Sowjet Union communist is
a severe insult to Marx. They developed a state capitalism, but nothing
even remotely like communism.
Anyway, I'm aware that there were people who switched from communist to
Nazi or vice versa in Germany of the 1930s. Still I don't think that the
cases of unemployed and violent youths hopping between the two most
extreme and violent groupings of the time can be used to argue for a
similarity in ideology.
Yours,
Cris
Jack Garbuz
>Israel learned propaganda from the Nazis, it is consequently quite good
>at it.
>
>--
>Peter H.M. Brooks<
Yes, the Nazis did teach us a great deal about life and death,
particularly never to be deceived again. Like my mother's
brothers who were "only' being drafted to go to a work camp, only
to be shot, brutally murdered. Yes, the Nazis taught us a lot,
and all the Palestinian lies, the British Foreign secy or whoever
won't ever get over on us again. Satan is the father of lies and
his children won't fool us ever again - I hope.
Jack Garbuz
>However, anyone who has lived with Nazies or even worse under a Nazi regime,
>will tell you just what that really means. They tend to be careful how they
>use the word. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, if I were a
>Palastinian, I think I would be more than a little fed up with my lot and what happened over the last few decades.>
Well, lucky for them they can leave, to Jordan or wherever if
they find it so terrible. They are not in concentration camps.
Peter H.M. Brooks
In article <6eraa5$6...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>
JGA...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net "Jack Garbuz" writes:
I see, so that is where 'you' learned to torture and murder palestinians,
was it?
--
Peter H.M. Brooks
Mike Harding
Jack Garbuz wrote:
> >Israel learned propaganda from the Nazis, it is consequently quite good
> >at it.
> >
> >--
> >Peter H.M. Brooks<
>
> Yes, the Nazis did teach us a great deal about life and death,
> particularly never to be deceived again. Like my mother's
> brothers who were "only' being drafted to go to a work camp, only
> to be shot, brutally murdered. Yes, the Nazis taught us a lot,
> and all the Palestinian lies, the British Foreign secy or whoever
> won't ever get over on us again. Satan is the father of lies and
> his children won't fool us ever again - I hope.
>
So are you saying that Israel is a state run by Jewish Nazi's ?
Is Israel on land that was once Palestine,and is this why they want it
back?
Regards
Mike
irgun1943
Dear Brothers,
You have it all backwards. It's really English pigs in Nazi
government.
Now the question remains why we allow these people in the Land of
Israel. We don't like them. They don't like us. It seems reasonable that we
would ignore each other. Yet they have this mania for sticking their queer
noses in our affairs. One would think that drinking and buggering each
other would keep them busy.
irgun1943
Mike Harding <mikeh...@mcmail.com> wrote in article
<35114CC8...@mcmail.com>...
>
>
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.980318221241.21545D-100000@grits>,
JeffersonG_Taylor <jgta...@valdosta.edu> wrote:
>
> And check your use of the word Nazi, kid. The British died at the hands
> of Hitler's troops as well.
Yes, but some were nazi pig collaborationists - do you need examples?
I=P
=========
>
> Just because someone disagrees with a Jewish point of view doesn't mean
> they are an anti-semite or Nazi. It only implies that they have a
> differing opinion.
>
===========
No, I support free speech, but I hate bias.
We, Jews, remember numerous samples, when the words were finally changed to
the bullets in Jewish hearts
I=P
=============
and here the new example who wanna peace and who, as R. Cook wanna devastate
Jewish State:
CABINET TO DEBATE LEBANON WITHDRAWAL TODAY
The Cabinet is expected to debate two competing plans for an Israeli
withdrawal from southern Lebanon when it meets this morning, HA'ARETZ
reported. Both Minister of National Infrastructure Ariel Sharon and
Defense Minister Yitzhak Mordechai, whose plan has the support of Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, will present their proposals.
The Mordechai plan calls for a withdrawal through an agreement with the
Lebanese government, which would take responsibility for its sovereignty
over the area and redeploy its army there to dismantle Hizbullah. The
withdrawal would take several weeks with United Nations forces serving as an
intermediary, and the South Lebanon Army would become a brigade within the
regular Lebanese army and remain in the area.
The Sharon plan calls for a withdrawal in stages, to be implemented only
after it is clear there is no chance to reach an agreement with Lebanon.
The Lebanese government would be held responsible for preventing terrorism
against soldiers and residents of southern Lebanon and northern Israel. The
functioning of the Lebanese government in preventing terrorism would be
tested during the intervals between the stages of withdrawal.
====================
I=P
kfuz...@hotmail.com
In article <35107D...@uchicago.edu>,
e-br...@uchicago.edu wrote:
> 2. Few things piss me off as much as people calling anyone who disagrees
> with them a Nazi. To me, it cheapens the memory of the real horror
> perpetrated by the Nazis.
Bravo!
unki
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
In article <3510f0ab...@news.dnet.co.uk>,
jer...@brave.NO.SPAM.dnet.co.uk (Jerry Martín) wrote:
>
> On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:40:04 -0600, Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >Emily Brunner (e-br...@uchicago.edu) wrote:
> >: 1. This has nothing to do with Ireland.
> >=======
> >I know, you like make deal with PLO&Hamas people, here the resault of
> >PLO&Hamas attacks:
> >
> >ARAB ATTACK SUMMARY
> >: From the start of Oslo in 9/93 to 5/97, Arabs committed these
> >: attacks against Jews in Yesha, NOT counting attacks in Israel:
> >
> >: 448 stabbings
> >: 642 shootings
> >: 261 bombings
> >: 1,898 firebombings
> >: 111 grenades
> >: 3,360 Attacks NOT counting stonings and beatings.
> >
> >: These attacks injured 1,527 people, of whom 89 died (Dan Nimrod,
> >: Dawn Pub., 3/98 from Outpost, 5/97).
> >
> >I=P
> >BTW. maybe it is not so stupid idea began to support IRA and Unionist as
well,
> >if G.B. strightly support PLO/Hamas. We can also have great opportunity to
> >teach England/Irish to make peace.
>
> Never consider supporting the murdering scum of the IRA who in many
> ways mirror the PLO and their ilk. The loyal people of Ulster are
> behind you.
> **********************************************
> Jerry Martín
===========================================================
Thank you wholeheartedly for support, brother
I=P
Charles Cawley
irgun1943 wrote in message <01bd5358$f0e04920$dfc30b26@itjfvkli>...
> Dear Brothers,
> You have it all backwards. It's really English pigs in Nazi
>government.
> Now the question remains why we allow these people in the Land of
>Israel. We don't like them. They don't like us. It seems reasonable that we
>would ignore each other. Yet they have this mania for sticking their queer
>noses in our affairs. One would think that drinking and buggering each
>other would keep them busy.
Words used:
Pigs
Nazi
Mania
Queer
Drinking
Buggering
Interesting how these words can also be overheard in any right wing pub in
the East End. They appear to be those associated with anger. Anger is
often created by people feeling they are not in control.
Regards,
Charles Cawley. Gatewa...@BTInternet.com
user...@digilinlk.net
Some consider West Bank and Gaza as big concentration
user...@digilinlk.net
Jack Garbuz <JGA...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>Israel learned propaganda from the Nazis, it is consequently quite good
>>at it.
>>
>>--
>>Peter H.M. Brooks<
>
>Yes, the Nazis did teach us a great deal about life and death,
>particularly never to be deceived again. Like my mother's
>brothers who were "only' being drafted to go to a work camp, only
>to be shot, brutally murdered. Yes, the Nazis taught us a lot,
>and all the Palestinian lies, the British Foreign secy or whoever
>won't ever get over on us again. Satan is the father of lies and
>his children won't fool us ever again - I hope.
>
>
>
>
Take it easy on the melodrama.
Brendan Heading
In article <MPG.f7b09817...@news.netvision.net.il>, Poul A.
Costinsky <Po...@earthling.net.nospam.please> writes
>Emily Brunner(e-br...@uchicago.edu) at Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:05:49 GMT
>wrote in article <35107D...@uchicago.edu>
>|3. Within the past two hours, you've accused Robin Cook of being both a
>|Nazi and a communist. This seems to me to be an either/or situation.
>|He can't be both.
>
>Well, it's common mistake. Nazism and communism are very close, and
>one can easily and fast move from one to another and back.
>Examples are numerous.
Examples of Americans who don't know what communism is (as defined by
Marx) are numerous too, so numerous I'd be a millionaire if I got a dime
for each one.
(today's lesson - don't confuse people's implementation or
interpretation of communism with the ideology)
--
Brendan "not a communist" Heading
Brendan Heading
In article <3510f0ab...@news.dnet.co.uk>, Jerry Martín <jerrym@brav
e.NO.SPAM.dnet.co.uk> writes
>>BTW. maybe it is not so stupid idea began to support IRA and Unionist as well,
>>if G.B. strightly support PLO/Hamas. We can also have great opportunity to
>>teach England/Irish to make peace.
>
>Never consider supporting the murdering scum of the IRA who in many
>ways mirror the PLO and their ilk. The loyal people of Ulster are
>behind you.
Talk about getting involved in conflicts you don't know anything about.
It's bad enough when people do it relating to the North. I wouldn't
support the PLO but the government of Israel are a bunch of scumbags.
--
Brendan Heading
Andrew Brian Hickman
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote in article <6epher$td9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
> in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
> was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
> Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
> refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
> all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
Perhaps he wanted to go after dinner?
Andrew Brian Hickman
Jerry Martín <jer...@brave.NO.SPAM.dnet.co.uk> wrote in article
<3510f0db...@news.dnet.co.uk>...
> On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:24:23 -0600, Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
> >in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
> >was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
> >Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
> >refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
> >all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
> Cook is a little poison dwarf shit. Loyal Ulster supports you.
> Jerry Martín
> My tongue has a phenomenal pain threshold.
And?
Brendan Heading
In article <3510f0db...@news.dnet.co.uk>, Jerry Martín <jerrym@brav
e.NO.SPAM.dnet.co.uk> writes
>On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:24:23 -0600, Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
>>in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
>>was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
>>Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
>>refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
>>all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
>
>Cook is a little poison dwarf shit. Loyal Ulster supports you.
What the hell are you talking about now - loyal Ulster supports the
Israeli regime ? Cripes...
--
Brendan Heading
Jack Garbuz
The door is open. They won't be shot if they leave.
Jack Garbuz
pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk ("Peter H.M. Brooks") wrote:
>In article <6eraa5$6...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>
> JGA...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net "Jack Garbuz" writes:
>
>> >at it.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Peter H.M. Brooks<
>>
>> Yes, the Nazis did teach us a great deal about life and death,
>> particularly never to be deceived again. Like my mother's
>> brothers who were "only' being drafted to go to a work camp, only
>> to be shot, brutally murdered. Yes, the Nazis taught us a lot,
>> and all the Palestinian lies, the British Foreign secy or whoever
>> won't ever get over on us again. Satan is the father of lies and
>> his children won't fool us ever again - I hope.
>>
>was it?
>
>--
>Peter H.M. Brooks<
I personally haven't harmed anyone. But a little was learned from
the Nazis. A little from British internment camps. A little from
Soviet prisons. I little bit is home-grown, As for palestinians
being "murdered" in vast quantities, how do you account for their
growth from under 750,000 in 1918 to 6 million worldwide today
while the world Jewish population has remained constant over the
same 80 years? Someone has been doing a better job on us then we
on them.
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
In article <01bd5358$f0e04920$dfc30b26@itjfvkli>,
"irgun1943" <irg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Brothers,
> You have it all backwards. It's really English pigs in Nazi
> government.
> Now the question remains why we allow these people in the Land of
> Israel. We don't like them. They don't like us. It seems reasonable that we
> would ignore each other. Yet they have this mania for sticking their queer
> noses in our affairs. One would think that drinking and buggering each
> other would keep them busy.
>
Maybe, they simple forget that time changed from 1945-47 and British
imperialists can not kill Jewish in own lands as before?
By the way, it is common that socialism is sibling of fascism, and now the red
colors in British government change in the brotherhood brown. (remember -
nazism is national socialism!!!!)
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
In article <6er1vu$2sn$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
lao...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>
> In article <6epher$td9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
> > in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
> > was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
> > Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
> > refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop
for
> > all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
>
> Good. There's too much knee-bending to Israel anyway from the Western World.
>
> Laochra
>
The official PA (PA is government of arafart, best friend of British
government)daily has described the conflict between Muslims
and Jews as "an eternal and ongoing conflict resembling the
conflict between man and Satan." (Jewish Press, p.103, 3/13 from
Al-Hayat al-Jadeeda, 9/1/97.)
By demonizing the Jews and eternalizing the struggle with them,
the PLO has dealt a double blow. One blow is to the hope for
Oslo to resolve conflict. The other blow is to those who deny
that the conflict is religious.
Grigori Khaskin
It will be interesting for that "Some" that in that "concentration camp"
normal people live under vicious self rule (and often experioence
torture, which is inherently local camp tradition, of course) of local
"palestinian" more than 40000 strong police/army with AK, granades,
missiles and who knows what else. It is interesting to know that in that
place bombs are making daily and than detonated in Israel proper. It will
be interesting to know, that poor local "prisoners of that "concentration
camp" stone daily cars and motorists outside the camp, kidnapping and
routinely killing the people from outside that camp. What a strange camp
indeed!
To me it sound more like an enemy state involved in the war of attrition.
G.K.
Grigori Khaskin
Ian Brawn (___._____@cern.ch) wrote:
: Grigori Khaskin wrote:
: > Do you imply that it was absolutely NO British nazis? I think you dead
: > wrong.
: If by "nazi" you mean right-wing, unsavoury characters, I think we can
: agree that all nations have their share of those. It is all too obvious
: that Israel does.
You skipped more than half of my post. OK, I repeat it here:
===========
Do you imply that it was absolutely NO British nazis? I think you dead
wrong. It was, it was, it is. It was open nazis, it was how to say it
better - "sympatizers"? - like former king who spent all war dealing with
Hitler emissaries in France/Spain, thinking how to get back to throne?
Do you think that nation up to the last man/woman immune to nazi or
communist desease?
==========
I meant exactly what I meant. It was nazi party in UK prior to the World
War 2. It was a lot of "sympacy" for "thousand year reich", and it was an
abdicated king who was a fun of nazis. I was not talking of right-wing
unsavory characters.
I may add, that it was british who hanged israelis who fighted for
independence (they do not consider them POWs), it was British who cut
away 60% of Israel land and created artificial state of Transjordan
(later "trans" was dropped), and than decided to get from the remaining
40% another half for the rest of the same arab squotters who comprises
more than half of population in Jordan.
Of course they needed another state, according to that imperial british
logic, why not? And of course according to the same old imbecil british
logic Jewish state has no right to existance and territorial integrity.
That is why by the law of retribution Britain will sit in the shit itself
and will have the same problems she imposed on others. Where is your
empire, dude? What about integrity on your island?
Regards,
G.K.
: Ian.
Adam Lock
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
> in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
> was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
> Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
> refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
> all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
> I=P
Gosh, he must really be a Nazi pig then!
--
Adam Lock - lo...@iol.ie
Adam Lock
Jack Garbuz wrote:
>
> >However, anyone who has lived with Nazies or even worse under a Nazi regime,
> >will tell you just what that really means. They tend to be careful how they
> >use the word. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, if I were a
> >Palastinian, I think I would be more than a little fed up with my lot and what happened over the last few decades.>
>
> Well, lucky for them they can leave, to Jordan or wherever if
> they find it so terrible. They are not in concentration camps.
Perhaps they think they are entitled to stay where they are?
Poul A. Costinsky
Grigori Khaskin(kha...@sfu.ca) wrote
in article <6epvlg$o4j$1...@morgoth.sfu.ca>
|unki funki boots (kfuz...@hotmail.com) wrote:
|Just imagine, that Foreign minister Levi comes to Dublin/ Derri and start
|teach you what an idiots you are and who will get what part of the
Sorry to disappoint you, Gregory, but Levi isn't Foreign minister
of Israel anymore. It's unfortunate, since he was the only stupid
enough to talk with Cook at his level.
|country. And another good idea, - what EU/bllody Cook are doing - put in
|normal perspective - why not Israel will start selling wheapons and
|support financially Shinn Fein AND unionists, but some of them more of
|course. Will you be happy? Due to Oslo accord - you may sniff the paper
|put to use - as you described but mostly by so-called "palestinians" who
|did not honour even one provisions of it - and have a pleasant time.
Really good idea.
--
Hope this helps.
Regards,
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Brendan Heading(brendan...@cableol.co.uk) wrote
in article <1l5HI0A$JVE1...@cableol.co.uk>
|Talk about getting involved in conflicts you don't know anything about.
|It's bad enough when people do it relating to the North. I wouldn't
|support the PLO but the government of Israel are a bunch of scumbags.
Talk about getting involved in conflicts you don't know anything about.
--
Jack Garbuz
The problem is they have terrorist leaders who want to lead them
onto Tel Aviv.
Jack Garbuz
"Andrew Brian Hickman" <xxx@spam> wrote:
>Jerry Martín <jer...@brave.NO.SPAM.dnet.co.uk> wrote in article
><3510f0db...@news.dnet.co.uk>...
>
>> >Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
>> >in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
>> >was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
>> >Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
>> >refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
>> >all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
>
>
>> My tongue has a phenomenal pain threshold.
>
>And?<
And maybe he should sup with Jerry Adams instead ?
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
AL SHEKHTMAN (HAR...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: WINSTON MIDEAST ANALYSIS & COMMENTARY March 19, 1998
: Email: gwin...@interaccess.com
: Please disseminate & re-post. If you publish, send us a copy. Please
: see our Website at http///www.gamla.org.il
: PLANNED PROVOCATION
: by Emanuel A. Winston, Middle East analyst & commentator
: After we get over our first wave of anger and disgust regarding
: the vulgar display against the State of Israel by Britain's Foreign
: Secretary Robin Cook, we must stop and look deeper. Jewish experience
: with the Bloody English already Informs us that they are perniciously
: anti-Semitic. Like the French, the English will and have prostituted
: themselves to the Arabs for years. On March 17 their Jew phobia
: blended perfectly in this photo opportunity to show the Arab world
: that they stand shoulder to shoulder with Arafat against the Jews,
: representing England and as current head of the EU (European Union).
: Of course, as their quid pro quo the EU states expect better access to
: the rich markets of the Middle East, particularly for their sales of
: weapons along with other goods and services.
: Informed sources tell us that this visit wasn't as haphazard as
: it may have seemed. You may recall an earlier period when the
: European nations (Common Market) were working their way toward an
: economic boycott of Israeli exports to force Israel to accept all Arab
: demands. Their plan got close but could not make it through
: operationally.
: Start looking for US State Dept. fingerprints - particularly
: those of the angry lady, Sec. of State Albright. The State Dept. is
: suffering Administration paralysis due to a President with zipper
: problems. (As a relevant aside, Mr. Cook is also known as a
: philanderer and womanizer - but that's another story.) The British
: have been used before as cutouts for covert American foreign policy.
: In this case, the American President and State Dept. were recently
: thwarted in their plan to force their version of the Oslo Peace Plan
: on Israel. So, what they could not achieve in public, they
: re-channeled through the willing offices of Britain and the EU.
: Cook comes to Israel after Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu had
: just visited four European countries, coming away with what he thought
: was an understanding. But, Bibi was treated as the European nations
: have always treated their own Jews. When they were not confiscating
: their property, killing them or rounding them up for the Germans, they
: lied to them to achieve their goals.
: Cook planned to provoke a crisis. As point man for the EU and US
: State Dept. he intentionally created a scandal. Knowing Netanyahu and
: Israel would be rightly insulted and after promising not to, he
: deliberately met with a Palestinian official at the building site on
: the hill called Har Homa. This housing development is within the
: capital's boundaries in South Jerusalem but Cook provocatively labeled
: it a "settlement".
: Cook first met with Israeli cabinet secretary Danny Naveh, who
: greeted him at the building site saying, "Welcome to Jerusalem, the
: capital of Israel." Cook replied: "It's not just the capital of
: Israel, it's also the capital of Palestine." Cook refused a
: briefing on Har Homa from his other escort Jerusalem municipality's
: Amos Radian saying, "I don't need your briefing, because I don't
: recognize your right to be here." (1)
: If that wasn't enough insult, he violated his diplomatic promise
: by also meeting there with Salah al-Ta'amri, of the Palestinian
: Legislative Council. Of course, he told the press and the expected
: demonstration of outraged Israelis obliged the cameras. To ensure he
: wasn't misunderstood, he refused the customary protocol visit of
: foreign dignitaries to the Western Wall and Yad Vashem, Israel's
: Holocaust Museum which documents both victims and victimizers - most
: of whom were from countries now in the European Union. And then he
: placed a wreath on the memorial erected in Jerusalem to the
: Palestinians killed by Israel at Deir Yassin. (2) (See: "Deir Yassin:
: History of a Lie" by the ZOA)
: In days and weeks to come watch the Bloody British lead a campaign as
: head of the EU to force Israel to surrender more and more land to Arafat,
: despite the outrageous facts of Arafat's non-compliance on everything he
: agreed to do in the Oslo, Cairo, Hebron Accords.
: Madame Albright gave a background nod to Cook's display of
: anti-Semitic, pro-Arab posturing and his deliberate willingness to cause a
: diplomatic uproar. Now, we expect a meeting of the 15 EU countries
: censuring the treatment Cook received from protesting Jews and the
: cancellation of his state dinner with PM Netanyahu. The EU gave Cook
: their full backing before the visit. Clearly, his deviation from
: courteous behavior (to put it nicely) was prompted by a desire to shore up
: the UK's standing in the Arab world. This scandal will severely damage
: British PM Tony Blair's visit to Israel next month. But Blair had given
: Cook his unequivocal support from the outset. Capitalizing on Britain's
: presidency of the EU, Blair and Cook set out to demonstrate that the
: Palestinians have the international community's backing on their demand
: for a Palestinian State with Jerusalem as its capital.(3)
: The LONDON TIMES blasts Cook's "precipitation of a major
: international incident that will severely embarrass Tony Blair".
: This was a "deliberate provocation", "an unequivocal
: disaster"...which left "a poisoned atmosphere". (4)
: Watch for the US State Dept. to wade in as if they are even-handed
: advisors seeking peace, which they know full well has been abrogated time
: and again by Arafat. What a nest of conspiratorial rats. The English,
: French, American State Dept. Arabists - all of whom seem to carry the
: anti-Jewish virus like fleas on the rats who carried bubonic plague.
: Clearly, while the chimneys of the vast European graveyard may have
: stopped smoking, the coals of anti-Semitism smolder, waiting to once more
: burst into flame. Only this time they wish to transfer the stink of death
: to the Middle East.
: Dear Reader: Your eyes and ears have been tricked. The goal of
: Robin Cook was to create a Jewish backlash which, in turn, will give
: the Europeans and Arabists in the State Dept. and Clinton
: Administration the excuse to puff up indignantly and vote sanctions
: against Israel.
: WHAT CAN YOU DO?
: Demand that your Congressmen and Senators stand up together to
: tell the EU and the UN that they are liars and engaged in diplomatic
: tell the EU and the UN that they are liars and engaged in diplomatic
: fraud. Tell them we, the American people, will not stand idly by and
: watch the preparation for another Holocaust so England, France,
: Germany and Russia may once again sell NBC (Nuclear, Biological and
: Chemical) catastrophic weapons of mass destruction to radical Islamic
: militant Arab nations - because that is what this Oslo Process is all
: about.
: Send this article to your Congressmen, local newspapers, Jewish
: leaders and especially to Christian leaders who can use their powerful
: influence against betrayal of Israel and the Jewish people.
: 1. "PM: Cook Broke the Rules" by Jay Bushinsky JERUSALEM POST 3/18/98
: 2. "Deir Yassin: History of a Lie" by Mort Klein, President
: Zionist Organization of America 1998
: 3, "Cook may have Doomed EU Mediation Effort" Jay Bushinsky
: JERUSALEM POST 3/18/98
: 4. "Diplomatic Disaster" LONDON TIMES 3/18/98
===============
f**king good wrote, brother
Brendan Heading
>> Aside from the controversy over his visit to the Har Homa housing project
>> in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered what
>> was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
>> Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials by
>> refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop for
>> all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
>
>Good. There's too much knee-bending to Israel anyway from the Western World.
I agree, although I don't have a problem with Jews. I don't think they
should be allowed to get away with what they're doing there, but I
suspect the damage has already been permanently done.
--
Brendan Heading (brendan dot heading at cableol dot co dot uk)
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Adam Lock wrote- referring to Palestinian Arabs
"Perhaps they think they are entitled to stay where they are?"
Perhaps Jews think they are entitled to stay where they are too- in the land
of their fathers- contrary to His Highness Lord Cook's fiats.
Ian Brawn
Grigori Khaskin wrote:
> You skipped more than half of my post.
I skipped it because it was irrelevant to the point I wanted to make.
If people wish to see your original posts in their full 'glory' they
can go back and find them. I'm not going to clog up usernet by
regurgitating every trite sentance you feed me.
> I meant exactly what I meant. It was nazi party in UK prior to the World
> War 2.
The Nazi party was a German organisation. There was no Nazi party in the UK;
there was the British Union of Fascists, but you've just claimed you are
using the term 'Nazi' literally rather than figuratively. Therefore you are
demonstrably wrong. Sorry old chap.
> Where is your empire, dude?
We saw the error of our imperial ways and we gave it away.
Ian.
lao...@rocketmail.com
In article <6erv3s$afa$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> >
> > In article <6epher$td9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
project
> > > in southern Jerusalem, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook delivered
what
> > > was arguably a greater snub to Israel during his trip on Tuesday. The
> > > Financial Times reports (18 March) that Cook angered Israeli officials
by
> > > refusing to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, a traditional stop
> for
> > > all foreign dignitaries on their first official visits to Israel
> > > I=P
> >
> > Good. There's too much knee-bending to Israel anyway from the Western
World.
> >
> >
> You can use another ""facts"":
> The official PA (PA is government of arafart, best friend of British
> government)daily has described the conflict between Muslims
> and Jews as "an eternal and ongoing conflict resembling the
> conflict between man and Satan." (Jewish Press, p.103, 3/13 from
> Al-Hayat al-Jadeeda, 9/1/97.)
> By demonizing the Jews and eternalizing the struggle with them,
> the PLO has dealt a double blow. One blow is to the hope for
> Oslo to resolve conflict. The other blow is to those who deny
> that the conflict is religious.
In the same way that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion justifies the
oppression of Jews?
Laochra
Joseph Andreas Tomaras
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Brendan Heading wrote:
> What the hell are you talking about now - loyal Ulster supports the
> Israeli regime ? Cripes...
No big surprise there. I can't imagine what a fascist sectarian thug would
NOT like about a state with legalized torture, a massive permanent
occupation force, a sizable proportion of young men of the minority locked
up in jail, and a veneer of parliamentary "democracy" which consistently
treats 15% of its citizens like third-class baggage. (Of course, this
sounds much like how the US treats blacks.) Probably the only problem
they'd have with it is that there are so many Jews. But then again, many
British and American racists have liked that about Israel--it keeps us
kikes away.
Dixiecrats, Ulstermen, Zionists, Apartheidists--racists of the world
unite! You have nothing to gain but a soul!
irgun1943
Yes, the description below fits all of the Arab states. thank you.
irgun1943
Joseph Andreas Tomaras <ja...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.SOL.3.91.98032...@carr15.acpub.duke.edu>...
Grigori Khaskin
Ian Brawn (___._____@cern.ch) wrote:
: Grigori Khaskin wrote:
: > You skipped more than half of my post.
: I skipped it because it was irrelevant to the point I wanted to make.
: If people wish to see your original posts in their full 'glory' they
: can go back and find them. I'm not going to clog up usernet by
: regurgitating every trite sentance you feed me.
: > I meant exactly what I meant. It was nazi party in UK prior to the World
: > War 2.
: The Nazi party was a German organisation. There was no Nazi party in the UK;
: there was the British Union of Fascists, but you've just claimed you are
: using the term 'Nazi' literally rather than figuratively. Therefore you are
: demonstrably wrong. Sorry old chap.
About British Nazis - I am sorry, but have to disagree. You guys had/have
your very own home grown nazis. Maybe they are not 100% aryan like german
roaches, only 99% but they existance is a reality. They were grown on
your own british soil fertilized with jewish blood since 13th century,
when your proud motherland secured forever a dubious honour as a country
which invented blood libel.
: > Where is your empire, dude?
: We saw the error of our imperial ways and we gave it away.
I do not see you've seen the errors, and if have seen - definitely did not
derive conclusion - - why did the massa Cook behaved like a pig in former
colony?
: Ian.
G.K.
Emily Brunner
>
> >Good. There's too much knee-bending to Israel anyway from the Western World.
>
I don't think that people should have to procede any criticism of Israel
with "I don't have a problem with Jews" or "I'm not an anti-Semite," any
more than I should have to couch any criticism of Turkey with "I don't
have any problem with Muslims" or Serbia with "some of my best friends
are Christians." Being Jewish is not an excuse for bad behavior.
Some Jews (increasing numbers of Jews, actually) are critical either of
Israel in general or of the current Israeli administration, and a lot of
us really resent the implication that Israel somehow speaks for or
represents the entire Jewish population. Criticizing Israel is not the
same thing as slandering all Jews, much as many Israelis would like you
to believe that it is.
Emily
Adam Lock
Grigori Khaskin wrote:
>
> About British Nazis - I am sorry, but have to disagree. You guys had/have
> your very own home grown nazis. Maybe they are not 100% aryan like german
> roaches, only 99% but they existance is a reality. They were grown on
> your own british soil fertilized with jewish blood since 13th century,
> when your proud motherland secured forever a dubious honour as a country
> which invented blood libel.
What is your definition of Nazi then? Anyone who disagrees with your own
extreme right wing views?
> : > Where is your empire, dude?
>
> : We saw the error of our imperial ways and we gave it away.
>
> I do not see you've seen the errors, and if have seen - definitely did not
> derive conclusion - - why did the massa Cook behaved like a pig in former
> colony?
Perhaps because he's following a European agenda and not an Israeli one?
irgun1943
To all friends of Israel,
The rhetoric has gotten out of hand.
What we have here is a major gaffe on the part of the head diplomat
who has behaved like a very junior staffer.
The fact is we don't like the English. They don't like us. It is
stupid for thegovernment to maintain relations at the present levels. Close
all English facilities except the Jerusalem consulate. That would make a de
facto situation of what Israeli requests so far have failed to do; the
recognition of Jerusalem as the country's capital.
Now people, if you're secretely angry that the Prime Minister didn't
grab this guy Cook by the scuff of the neck and personally escort him to
Ben Gurion Airport for a flight home, this is something you take up with
the Prime Minister. A boorish guest is merely kicked out of the house.
irgun1943
Adam Lock <lo...@iol.ie> wrote in article <3512D12F...@iol.ie>...
Brendan Heading
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.980320115645.6448H-
100...@carr15.acpub.duke.edu>, Joseph Andreas Tomaras
<ja...@acpub.duke.edu> writes
>On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Brendan Heading wrote:
>
>> What the hell are you talking about now - loyal Ulster supports the
>> Israeli regime ? Cripes...
>
>No big surprise there. I can't imagine what a fascist sectarian thug would
>NOT like about a state with legalized torture, a massive permanent
>occupation force, a sizable proportion of young men of the minority locked
>treats 15% of its citizens like third-class baggage. (Of course, this
>sounds much like how the US treats blacks.) Probably the only problem
>they'd have with it is that there are so many Jews. But then again, many
>British and American racists have liked that about Israel--it keeps us
>kikes away.
>
>Dixiecrats, Ulstermen, Zionists, Apartheidists--racists of the world
>unite! You have nothing to gain but a soul!
I don't agree with you, either. Arguing against one kind of racism with
another is not a solution. You're full of shit, by and large.
Poul A. Costinsky
Ian Brawn(___._____@cern.ch) wrote
in article <6etbn4$gh6$1...@sunnews.cern.ch>
|The Nazi party was a German organisation. There was no Nazi party in the UK;
|there was the British Union of Fascists,
It is a HUGE difference, indeed! -:)))))))))))
Adam Lock
irgun1943 wrote:
>
> To all friends of Israel,
> The rhetoric has gotten out of hand.
> What we have here is a major gaffe on the part of the head diplomat
> who has behaved like a very junior staffer.
> The fact is we don't like the English. They don't like us. It is
> stupid for thegovernment to maintain relations at the present levels. Close
> all English facilities except the Jerusalem consulate. That would make a de
> facto situation of what Israeli requests so far have failed to do; the
> recognition of Jerusalem as the country's capital.
> Now people, if you're secretely angry that the Prime Minister didn't
> grab this guy Cook by the scuff of the neck and personally escort him to
> Ben Gurion Airport for a flight home, this is something you take up with
> the Prime Minister. A boorish guest is merely kicked out of the house.
> irgun1943
>
Why is he boorish? Is it because he doesn't believe every word spouted
by the Israeli goverment and actually wants to hear the other side of
the story?
P.D.Stamford
In article <01bd5358$f0e04920$dfc30b26@itjfvkli>, irgun1943
> Dear Brothers,
> You have it all backwards. It's really English pigs in Nazi
>government.
> Now the question remains why we allow these people in the Land of
>Israel. We don't like them. They don't like us. It seems reasonable that we
>would ignore each other. Yet they have this mania for sticking their queer
>noses in our affairs. One would think that drinking and buggering each
>other would keep them busy.
and pleasant land. We don't like them. They don't like us. It seems
reasonable that we would ignore each other. Yet they have this mania for
sticking their queer noses in our affairs. One would think that drinking
and buggering each other would keep them busy.
P.D.Stamford
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P.D.Stamford
In article <6erq77$q...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Jack Garbuz
<JGA...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> writes
---(On the Palestinians)---
>>>Well, lucky for them they can leave, to Jordan or wherever if
>>>they find it so terrible. They are not in concentration camps.
>>>
>>Some consider West Bank and Gaza as big concentration <
>
>The door is open. They won't be shot if they leave.
This sounds remarkably like the rhetoric of Nazi Germany before the
outbreak of the 2nd W.W.
irgun1943
Mr Lock,
"Boorish" is insulting your host when acting as a guest.
I guess you're not safe to invite for dinner.
irgun1943
Adam Lock <loc irgun1943 k...@iol.ie> wrote in article
<3512F2CD...@iol.ie>...
>wrote:
lao...@rocketmail.com
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.98032...@carr15.acpub.duke.edu>,
Joseph Andreas Tomaras <ja...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:
> Dixiecrats, Ulstermen, Zionists, Apartheidists--racists of the world
^^^^^^^
That's an awful slander against people who are, by and large, decent folk.
"Ulstermen" covers an awful lot of people, you ignorant baboon.
Neil Alasdair McEwan
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
: and here the new example who wanna peace and who, as R. Cook wanna devastate
: Jewish State:
: CABINET TO DEBATE LEBANON WITHDRAWAL TODAY [snip]
And about time too, don't you think?
le meas
Neil
--
: The Cabinet is expected to debate two competing plans for an Israeli
: withdrawal from southern Lebanon when it meets this morning, HA'ARETZ
: reported. Both Minister of National Infrastructure Ariel Sharon and
: Defense Minister Yitzhak Mordechai, whose plan has the support of Prime
: Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, will present their proposals.
: The Mordechai plan calls for a withdrawal through an agreement with the
: Lebanese government, which would take responsibility for its sovereignty
: over the area and redeploy its army there to dismantle Hizbullah. The
: withdrawal would take several weeks with United Nations forces serving as an
: intermediary, and the South Lebanon Army would become a brigade within the
: regular Lebanese army and remain in the area.
: The Sharon plan calls for a withdrawal in stages, to be implemented only
: after it is clear there is no chance to reach an agreement with Lebanon.
: The Lebanese government would be held responsible for preventing terrorism
: against soldiers and residents of southern Lebanon and northern Israel. The
: functioning of the Lebanese government in preventing terrorism would be
: tested during the intervals between the stages of withdrawal.
: ====================
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In article <6ert3l$6o8$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> >
> > Dear Brothers,
> > You have it all backwards. It's really English pigs in Nazi
> > government.
> > Now the question remains why we allow these people in the Land of
> > Israel. We don't like them. They don't like us. It seems reasonable that we
> > would ignore each other. Yet they have this mania for sticking their queer
> > noses in our affairs. One would think that drinking and buggering each
> > other would keep them busy.
> >
>
> Maybe, they simple forget that time changed from 1945-47 and British
> imperialists can not kill Jewish in own lands as before?
> By the way, it is common that socialism is sibling of fascism, and now the red
> colors in British government change in the brotherhood brown. (remember -
> nazism is national socialism!!!!)
> I=P
Up your ass. Without the support of the Christian Western World, your little
homeland wouldn't even exist today.
Laochra
Flashy
What a comment. Superb!!
roboiv
"irgun1943" <irg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Dear Brothers,
> You have it all backwards. It's really English pigs in Nazi
>government.
> Now the question remains why we allow these people in the Land of
>Israel. We don't like them. They don't like us. It seems reasonable that we
>would ignore each other. Yet they have this mania for sticking their queer
>noses in our affairs. One would think that drinking and buggering each
>other would keep them busy.
> irgun1943
>
>Mike Harding <mikeh...@mcmail.com> wrote in article
><35114CC8...@mcmail.com>...
>>
>>
>
You can read this statement in several different ways.
1998
Dear Brothers,
You have it all backwards. It's really Jewish pigs in American
government.
Now the question remains why we allow these people in the Land of
America. We don't like them. They don't like us. It seems reasonable that we
would ignore each other. Yet they have this mania for sticking their queer
noses in our affairs. One would think that drinking and buggering each
other would keep them busy.
roboiv
1940
Dear Brothers,
You have it all backwards. It's really Jewish pigs in the German
government.
Now the question remains why we allow these people in the Land of
Germany. We don't like them. They don't like us. It seems reasonable that we
would ignore each other. Yet they have this mania for sticking their queer
noses in our affairs. One would think that drinking and buggering each
other would keep them busy.
Adolf Hitler
National Alliance
P.O. Box 90
Hillsboro, WV 24946
Freedom is not free
Free men are not equal and
Equal men are not free
"The most precious possession on earth is our own people,
and for these people, and with these people, we will struggle
and we will fight, and never slacken, and never tire, and never
falter, and never doubt! Long live our movement!
Long live our people!"
Adolf Hitler
irgun1943
Well, it seems it seems this American neo Nazi takes umbrage at my
comments.
The fact is that this human dripping down his father's leg cannot limit
his verbal diarrhea to American affairs. He has to take time out to post
where he's not wanted. Looking up from the garbage pail of history, he
gnashes his teeth that the Jews are happy and in their own land.
Well as the Negroes move in next door and his daughter starts having
bastards, he'll become more cosmopolitan.
irgun1943
roboiv <rob...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<35152973...@news.mindspring.com>...
roboiv
"irgun1943" <irg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Well, it seems this American neo Nazi takes umbrage at my
>comments.
No I did not take offence to you commits. I was showing the comparison
of your attitude and ours on this subject. We do not want jews in our country
and you do not want us in yours.
> The fact is that this human dripping down his father's leg cannot limit
>his verbal diarrhea to American affairs. He has to take time out to post
>where he's not wanted.
We will do this when the Jews keep their queer noses out of our affairs.
(Our Media, Our Government, Our Society, ect.)
>Looking up from the garbage pail of history,
So you consider history a pile of garbage! Interesting.
>he gnashes his teeth that the Jews are happy and in their own land.
We can only hope that all and I emphasize all the Jews are happy in their own land.
> Well as the Negroes move in next door and his daughter starts having
>bastards, he'll become more cosmopolitan.
Only in your dreams.
Roy Turner
In article <3512BB...@uchicago.edu>, Emily Brunner <e-
bru...@uchicago.edu> writes
>
>
>I don't think that people should have to procede any criticism of Israel
>with "I don't have a problem with Jews" or "I'm not an anti-Semite," any
>more than I should have to couch any criticism of Turkey with "I don't
>have any problem with Muslims" or Serbia with "some of my best friends
>are Christians." Being Jewish is not an excuse for bad behavior.
>
>Some Jews (increasing numbers of Jews, actually) are critical either of
>Israel in general or of the current Israeli administration, and a lot of
>us really resent the implication that Israel somehow speaks for or
>represents the entire Jewish population. Criticizing Israel is not the
>same thing as slandering all Jews, much as many Israelis would like you
>to believe that it is.
>
>Emily
Congratulations Emily for introducing a vein of sanity into this thread
that has been largely dominated by bigotry and character assassination.
Many people have always recognised the difference between Zionism and
Jewish ethnicity and it is good to hear that more Jews are becoming
critical of the Isreali Government.
But - are you prepared to abandon the basic cause of the
Jewish/Palestinian conflict - the attempt to create and expand a Jewish
'homeland'. This policy can only be carried out at the cost of the
Palestinians. The area that this state is trying to populate is simply
not capable of supporting a vastly increased population. Are you
prepared to give up the 'right' of settlement in Isreal?
This is the 'right' that not only causes problems in the Middle East but
some of the lingering anti-Semitism elsewhere in the world. Can a Jew be
a totally committed citizen of two nations or will they always put their
'homeland' before their nation of birth and abode? I hope that the
answer is neither and they will put their humanity first but the right
to that second passport does create a 'privileged' group.
The reason for the impasse to a resolution of the Jewish/Palestinian
conflict is not to be found in Jerusalem (or Gaza) but in Washington.
Until a US government ceases to be dependant on a 'Jewish' vote (a vote
that has little to do with reality and is largely wrapped up in the
sentimental ties to a mystic 'homeland') the Palestinians will continue
to be squeezed out.
Lets hope that someday the Jews will realise that they are an important
international ethnic group and abandon the narrow nationalistic dreams -
a bit like the Anglo Saxons :-).
--
R.Turner
NG6 OES
irgun1943
Mr Turner,
Your opinions as expressed by your ancestors countless times convinced
the masses that Israel is a necessity. What arrogance in setting yourself
up as judge of anyone's loyalty.
I would be very proud to be disloyal to you if I were an English Jew.
Jews existed for most of the last 2,000 years without Israel yet were
continually subjected to the same rectal examination you're ready to make.
Simultaneously, Britain has been flooded with 'Indoos and Negroes and not
one peep from your kind. How yellow can you be?
The fact is that we don't like you and you don't like us. Prudence
would make the average man keep away from us and yet you insist on posting
your unwanted opinions on the Israel board. Do you get a sick pleasure from
it?
irgun1943
Roy Turner <ju...@rturner.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<p4gW3BAS...@rturner.demon.co.uk>...
Red Herring
>Some Jews (increasing numbers of Jews, actually) are critical either of
>Israel in general or of the current Israeli administration, and a lot of
>us really resent the implication that Israel somehow speaks for or
>represents the entire Jewish population.
Don't worry. The current Israel administration neither speaks for nor
represents self-haters like yourself.
Red Herring
On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:06:42 +0000, Roy Turner <ju...@rturner.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>This is the 'right' that not only causes problems in the Middle East but
>some of the lingering anti-Semitism elsewhere in the world. Can a Jew be
>a totally committed citizen of two nations...
Citizenship is an artifact of statehood (as opposed to nationhood) you
lingering anti-semitic imbecile.
Emily Brunner
That's an incredibly facile comment, not to mention a desperate debating
technique. I take it that every Christian that disagrees with you is a
Nazi and every Jew with the temerity to criticize Israel is
self-hating. This may seem to you like an effective way to close off
debate, but it's not working any more.
Emily
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
In article <3518c18f...@news.gulfstream.org>,
r...@gulfstream.org.NOSPAM (Red Herring) wrote:
>
> In article <3512BB...@uchicago.edu>, Emily Brunner <e-
> bru...@uchicago.edu> writes
>
> >Some Jews (increasing numbers of Jews, actually) are critical either of
> >Israel in general or of the current Israeli administration, and a lot of
> >us really resent the implication that Israel somehow speaks for or
> >represents the entire Jewish population.
>
> Don't worry. The current Israel administration neither speaks for nor
> represents self-haters like yourself.
>
HAMAS-PA JOINT GOAL
The official PA daily, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, published Hamas' goals
and threats. Sheik Yassin stated, "I will not confront the
National Authority, because the mutual enemy is Israel." "The
differences of opinion are only about the path to the goal; the
Authority wants to reach it by the Oslo and we want to reach it
through armed struggle." (Itamar Marcus, Jewish Press, 3/20,
p.19 from PA, 3/9).
The PLO is more circumspect about stating its goal. That is,
Arafat states it in unguarded moments or vaguely. Hamas is not
diffident. Hamas' proclaims its goal as the capture of Israel.
Publicizing it in the heavily censored PA daily confirms the
sheik's claim of joint goals. Such a Hamas-PLO partnership
precludes a PLO-Israel negotiating "partnership."
Israelis who had hoped the PLO would crack down on Hamas,
especially without Israel insisting on reciprocity, had no
vision. Those who think that the PLO is cracking down on Israel
have no sight.
I=P
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
The Jer. Report cannot
be considered Kahana-ite. It is quite leftist. Its headline for
Eric Silvers. news article on p.6 of its 4/2 edition is, "Arab
witnesses admit exaggerating Deir Yassin massacre."
It states that fifty years after the event, Arab witnesses "had
admitted more explicitly than ever before that they deliberately
exaggerated reports of the slaughter. Hysterical reactions to
the reports promoted thousands of Arabs to flee the country."
This story was broken by BBC TV. The BBC is known for its pro-
Arab line. BBC interviewed Hazen Nusseibeh, an editor of the
Palestine Broadcasting Service's Arabic new in 1948. He admitted
that he and Arab officials decided, upon meeting some survivors
in Jerusalem, in 1948, to "make the most of this." So they
declared that children were murdered and women raped. A survivor
told BBC that at that time, the survivors protested and denied
there was any rape. Sec. of the Arab Higher Committee, Husseini
Khalidi informed them, "We have to say this so the Arab armies
will come to liberate Palestine from the Jews."
Of the population of 750, the new estimate of the number killed
is no more than 120.
I think it reasonable to suppose that 120 or fewer can be
accounted for by the house-to-house combat. The fact that the
supposedly bloodthirsty Jewish underground let 630 go indicates
that there was no massacre and certainly no plan for one. There
was a battle.
Now, about Deir Yassin. The memorial wasn't built yet.
the NY Times' article about
Foreign Secy. Cook's trip to Jerusalem stated, "...he laid a
wreath at a memorial for Arabs killed in 1948 in Deir Yassin."
(3/18, A3).
So, where was R.Cook?
According John Hein
<<(johnd...@drink.demon.co.uk)
<890350...@drink.demon.co.uk>:
: I can confirm that he (r. Cook)is an Honorary
: Vice President of OUTRIGHT Scotland (formerly the Scottish Homosexual
: Rights Group). He was also responsible for introducing the amendment to
: the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1980 which conditionally
: decriminalised male homosexuality in Scotland.>>
and we can propose, that he ,maybe, spend his time in hot environmental of
friendship with arafart
JeffersonG_Taylor
In modern society, homophobia is considered barbaric. So what if he is
gay. Perhaps his participation in homosexual rights issues merely
reflects a similar opinion. And why should homosexuality be descriminated
against? I could agree with banning gay 'recruitment' activities.
Homosexuality, if it is actually a genetic condition, a fatal mutation.
If the person strictly observes homosexuality, he will fail to pass on his
genes. Prisons are full, why take up room for violent criminals?
Jefferson G. Taylor
-------------------
Ian Brawn
Grigori Khaskin wrote
>
> About British Nazis - I am sorry, but have to disagree. You guys had/have
> your very own home grown nazis. Maybe they are not 100% aryan like german
> roaches, only 99% but they existance is a reality.
Grigori, you keep claiming that Britain has had its own Nazis. If you mean
this statement to be interpreted figuratively I refer you to my first post
on this subject. If you meam this claim to be interpreted literally I refer
you to my second post on this subject. As you have objected to both of these
interpretations, however, I am forced to conclude that you don't mean
anything at all.
Ian.
Mister Lardy Pants
On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:51:20 -0600, Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>I think it reasonable to suppose that 120 or fewer can be
>accounted for by the house-to-house combat. The fact that the
>supposedly bloodthirsty Jewish underground let 630 go indicates
>that there was no massacre and certainly no plan for one. There
>was a battle.
It's a shame you didn't watch the BBC programme that you claim
rewrites the history books. If you had you would have heard,
immediately before the Palestinians admitted inflating casualties, the
Israeli soldiers concerned describe how they lined up all the males in
the villages they attacked and machine-gunned them.
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
Mister Lardy Pants (lardy...@hotmail.com) wrote:
Sorry, it is only words and there are not only ONE evidence - war is war.
I do not like wars personaly, but if it began necessary......
And I do not belive arab terrorists, here is a realy evidance, that I am
right:
>>>>>
PLO PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS RECOGNIZED
US courts have granted asylum to two Christians from the PA on
the grounds of religious persecution. The US Immigration and
Naturalization Service endorsed their appeal. More Christian ex-
Muslims are expected (Jer. Rpt., 4/2, p.4).
>>>>>>
What a blunder to have turned the Arab population of Yesha over
to oppressive rule! Some Christian Arabs supported that move.
How they must rue it! Now what was that about Muslim Arab
tolerance?
I severely criticize the US and Israel, too, for establishing the
PA dictatorship. Isn't it interesting that the Arab and pro-Oslo
Jewish internet writers don't join me in this recrimination!
Are the pro-Oslo Jews reluctant, because if they made much of
Arafat as being like Saddam, the absurdity of expecting peace
with him would be obvious?
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
JeffersonG_Taylor (jgta...@valdosta.edu) wrote:
: In modern society, homophobia is considered barbaric. So what if he is
=[=[=[=[=[=[=[=[=
Sir,
I agree, homosexualism it is a fatal mutation, but it is not harmless, when it
is an obstacle for an individual to perform his duty or leads to for example
child molestation, or killing innocent.
Yes, temtation is a temptation -in arabic poetry, legend, tales (for example
1001 night) molestation of boys was a legitimate enterprize.
I do not think that "1001 nights" is a Cook favorite book, and I have no idea
what the hights were achieved after that nice kisses he exchanged with
arafart. I was not there. MI-5 will not do the investigation either, because
controled by socialists, and must be politically correct.
So, from neutral observer point - where not it visible, how after kisses and
warm private reception with arafrt Cook was too excited? Why he was agitated
and dramatically changed schedule? Why that go as far that he decided to meet
with arafart privately again? Questions, questions? Will we know the answer?
Andrew Brian Hickman
Ian Brawn <___._____@cern.ch> wrote in article
<6f7nc3$e22$1...@sunnews.cern.ch>...
> Grigori Khaskin wrote
> > About British Nazis - I am sorry, but have to disagree. You guys had/have
> > your very own home grown nazis.
<snip>
Flu existed before it had a name!
Andrew Brian Hickman
Red Herring <r...@gulfstream.org.NOSPAM> wrote in article
<3519c3ca...@news.gulfstream.org>...
<snip>
> >Can a Jew be
> >a totally committed citizen of two nations...
Can a Catholic be
a totally committed citizen of two noations...
> Citizenship is an artifact of statehood (as opposed to nationhood) you
> lingering anti-semitic imbecile.
Although some 'zealot' Jews seem to have lost the plot. Luckily, most of
those make their statehood and nationhood the same, by moving to Isreal.
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com
BOEDICIA
(boed...@aol.com)
<<References:<199803220351...@ladder03.news.aol.com>>
BOEDICIA (boed...@aol.com) wrote:
: >Cris <christin...@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
: >Date: Thu, Mar 19, 1998 08:32 EST
: >Message-id: <35111E...@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
: >
: >Poul A. Costinsky wrote:
: >> =
: >> Emily Brunner(e-br...@uchicago.edu) at Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:05:49 GMT
: >> wrote in article <35107D...@uchicago.edu>
: >> |3. Within the past two hours, you've accused Robin Cook of being both a
: |Nazi and a communist. This seems to me to be an either/or situation.
: >> |He can't be both.
: >> Well, it's common mistake. Nazism and communism are very close, and
: >> one can easily and fast move from one to another and back.
: >> Examples are numerous.
: >I strongly beg to differ here!
: >1. Nazis believed in racial superiority - communists believe in the
: >international solidarity of the working class.
: >2. Nazis were rabidly anti-communist and communists were one of the
: >various groups that ended up in concentration camps immediatelyafter1933 -
: many communists and socialists were of Jewish origin andcommunist resistance
$
: the Nazis was the most numerous and effective
: >before 1942.
: Funny, I've been saying that for ages, and all it got me was a label
: of "anti-Semite."
=========
No, we call you as Nazi Pig, it is general names for person as you are.
Mister Lardy Pants
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:47:08 -0600, Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>Mister Lardy Pants (lardy...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>: On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:51:20 -0600, Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>: >I think it reasonable to suppose that 120 or fewer can be
>: >accounted for by the house-to-house combat. The fact that the
>: >supposedly bloodthirsty Jewish underground let 630 go indicates
>: >that there was no massacre and certainly no plan for one. There
>: >was a battle.
>
>: It's a shame you didn't watch the BBC programme that you claim
>: rewrites the history books. If you had you would have heard,
>: immediately before the Palestinians admitted inflating casualties, the
>: Israeli soldiers concerned describe how they lined up all the males in
>: the villages they attacked and machine-gunned them.
>
>Sorry, it is only words and there are not only ONE evidence - war is war.
>I do not like wars personaly, but if it began necessary......
>And I do not belive arab terrorists,
Re-read what I posted. The people comfirming that Israeli troops had
massacred Palestinians in cold blood were the very people who
committed the atrocities.
There is no dispute or debate about it. The perpetrators admitted the
crime. On TV.
Grigori Khaskin
Ian Brawn (___._____@cern.ch) wrote:
: Grigori Khaskin wrote
: >
: > About British Nazis - I am sorry, but have to disagree. You guys had/have
: > your very own home grown nazis. Maybe they are not 100% aryan like german
: > roaches, only 99% but they existance is a reality.
: Grigori, you keep claiming that Britain has had its own Nazis. If you mean
: this statement to be interpreted figuratively I refer you to my first post
: on this subject. If you meam this claim to be interpreted literally I refer
: you to my second post on this subject. As you have objected to both of these
: interpretations, however, I am forced to conclude that you don't mean
: anything at all.
Why you denying that chapter in Britain history?
It is really strange. Well, from your last post you stated that Britain
had not nazi party, but "Union of fascist". But what the hell is the
difference here?
German nazism - is a brand of fascism with "peculiar" "german"
flavour. In England it was pretty much the same flavour. Read your own
history, please. Find more about antisemitism in your society, about
political preferences of queen's uncle.
As a token of good will I post here for you excerpts from Encyclopedia
Britannica about Lord Mosley - founder of that party [You will not blame
EB for prejudice, won't you?]:
==========================
Mosley, Sir Oswald (Ernald),
6TH BARONET
(b. Nov. 16, 1896, London--d. Dec. 3, 1980, Orsay, near
Paris), English politician who was the leader of the British
Union of Fascists from 1932 to 1940 and of its successor, the Union
Movement, from 1948 until his death. These groups were known for
distributing anti-Semitic propaganda, conducting hostile demonstrations in
the Jewish sections of east London, and wearing Nazi-style uniforms and
insignia.
Serving in the House of Commons from 1918 to 1931, Mosley was successively
a Conservative, an Independent, and a Labour Party member, serving in a
Labour ministry in 1929-30. In 1931 he tried to form a socialist party but
was defeated for reelection to Parliament. The next year he founded the
British Union of Fascists, for which some enthusiasm was generated by his
own powerful oratory and by the support of the newspaper publisher
Viscount Rothermere.
Interned after the outbreak of World War II, Mosley was released in
1943 because of illness. On Feb. 7, 1948, he launched the Union
Movement, which he described as an amalgam of 51 organizations, most of
them right-wing book clubs.
Mosley married in 1920 Lady Cynthia Blanche Curzon
(died 1933), daughter of the 1st Marquess Curzon of Kedleston; and
in 1936 Diana Guinness (née Freeman-Mitford), daughter of the 2nd
Baron Redesdale, himself a prewar apologist of Nazi Germany. Mosley's
autobiography, "My Life", was published in 1968.
=====================================================
So, Ian, do you think that charackter - blue blood conservative -
turned socialist and finally nazi did not organised politically nazis in
GB? Do you think that his stormtroopers never existed? If Hitler postponed
war for couple more years - who knows how much "prominence" Mosley gang
would achieved and whether UK will be a part of third Reich.
G.K.
: Ian.
Roy Turner
In article <3519c3ca...@news.gulfstream.org>, Red Herring
<r...@gulfstream.org.NOSPAM> writes
>>a totally committed citizen of two nations...
>
>lingering anti-semitic imbecile.
>
always) conferred with the occurrence of being born in that state. It
might therefore be looked on as deliberately devisive (and defensive)
for another state to grant citizenship to great numbers of a particular
ethnic group whose only connection to that state is the dream of a
mythical 'homeland' - it becomes downright irresponsible when that state
cannot accommodate the whole of that ethnic group and puts a section of
its current citizens at risk in order to pursue that dream.
We could debate forever what constitutes a nation but in modern usage it
is associated with a group living within the borders of a given state. I
have to admit though that it does spring easily to the lips of those
demagogues who wish to create their dream worlds.
Incidentally, I might be an imbecile but I think that puts me at least
two levels of intelligence above you. You may find it hard to think but
I do recommend it - you will find it becomes easier as you practise.
--
R.Turner
NG6 OES
Roy Turner
In article <01bd55f8$3d8dde80$9cc30b26@itjfvkli>, irgun1943
<irg...@earthlink.net> writes
>Mr Turner,
> Your opinions as expressed by your ancestors countless times convinced
>the masses that Israel is a necessity. What arrogance in setting yourself
>up as judge of anyone's loyalty.
> I would be very proud to be disloyal to you if I were an English Jew.
>Jews existed for most of the last 2,000 years without Israel yet were
>continually subjected to the same rectal examination you're ready to make.
>Simultaneously, Britain has been flooded with 'Indoos and Negroes and not
>one peep from your kind. How yellow can you be?
> The fact is that we don't like you and you don't like us. Prudence
>would make the average man keep away from us and yet you insist on posting
>your unwanted opinions on the Israel board. Do you get a sick pleasure from
>it?
> irgun1943
>
>
My opinions are my own and, though influenced by my ancestors, do
not necessarily conform to those of my ancestors. One of my ancestors
thought that a Jewish homeland was desirable thing and said so (although
he did not actually say where that homeland should be). I had some
sympathy for that view but now realise that what looked like a
charitable concept would be taken over by narrow nationalists who cannot
live with their neighbours.
As you indicate, Jews have existed throughout the world for the last
2000 years - with varying degrees of assimulation - and have added to
the richness of the cultures in which they have lived. You seem to have
a problem wth the idea that cultures progress which probably accounts
for your reference to 'Indoos and Negroes which, I presume, puts you
alongside those other Isreali citizens who have problems with oriental
Jews. I don't share your corrupted racism.
You are right that I don't like people like you but that is not because
you are a Jew but because you are a narrow minded bigot - and I've met
people like you from most of the races in the world. As for my right to
post to s.c.i.,it is the same as is yours to post to a.p.b. You may
think that you are safe in that right wing concentration camp that you
have constructed for yourself but the world is becoming a smaller place
and people like me are going to continue to rip down the wire.
--
R.Turner
NG6 OES
Andrew Brian Hickman
JeffersonG_Taylor <jgta...@valdosta.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.SOL.3.95.980323184747.9360B-100000@grits>...
> In modern society, homophobia is considered barbaric.
In some parts of some modern societies.......
> So what if he is gay.
So what if anyone is gay.
> Perhaps his participation in homosexual rights issues merely
> reflects a similar opinion.
Defence does not prove participation.
> And why should homosexuality be descriminated against?
Do not 'blame' the feeble of mind for being so,
and then claim you are not to be 'blamed' yourself.
> I could agree with banning gay 'recruitment' activities.
Recruiting for what.
For or against, in employmeny, should be illegal.
As 'partners', straights have that right.
> Homosexuality, if it is actually a genetic condition, a fatal mutation.
I do not want to hear it is or is not.
The discussion is dangerous.
> If the person strictly observes homosexuality,
> he will fail to pass on his genes.
Medicine will find a way.
> Prisons are full, why take up room for violent criminals?
Not understood.
Ian Brawn
Grigori Khaskin wrote:
> It is really strange. Well, from your last post you stated that Britain
> had not nazi party, but "Union of fascist". But what the hell is the
> difference here?
The British Union of Fascists were not "Nazis". They never called themselves
"Nazis" and nobody else did either. I agree that they were unsavoury right-
wing characters, but when I originally interpreted your use of the term
"Nazi" to mean this, rather than its correct, historical meaning, you
objected; you claimed there "really were nazis"; you were wrong.
With regard to the potted Biography of Mosley which you quoted, I note you
omitted any mention of the Battle of Cable Street in 1936. Here, local
residents fought with their jewish neighbours against the fascists (slightly
different to the situation in Germany, no?). This was the turning point in
Mosley's fortunes. By the time WW2 arrived in 1939 his power (never great) had
long been on the wane.
Ian.
Matthew M. Huntbach
Grigori Khaskin (kha...@sfu.ca) wrote:
> Ian Brawn (___._____@cern.ch) wrote:
> : Grigori, you keep claiming that Britain has had its own Nazis.
> Why you denying that chapter in Britain history?
> It is really strange. Well, from your last post you stated that Britain
> had not nazi party, but "Union of fascist". But what the hell is the
> difference here?
The difference is that the British "Union of Fascists" never attracted
significant support, it never even had a single member of Parliament
elected.
Matthew Huntbach
Matthew M. Huntbach
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> So, from neutral observer point - where not it visible, how after kisses and
> warm private reception with arafrt Cook was too excited? Why he was agitated
> and dramatically changed schedule? Why that go as far that he decided to meet
> with arafart privately again? Questions, questions? Will we know the answer?
It would, I suppose, spoil Mr.Peacemaker's little fantasy, to point out that
Cook's heterosexuality was made rather obvious in a minor scandal (of the
screwing the secretary sort) just a few weeks before the Israel visit.
Matthew Huntbach
Andrew Brian Hickman
Mister Lardy Pants <lardy...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<351807df...@news.xara.com>...
> On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:47:08 -0600, Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >Mister Lardy Pants (lardy...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> >: On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:51:20 -0600, Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >: >I think it reasonable to suppose that 120 or fewer can be
> >: >accounted for by the house-to-house combat. The fact that the
> >: >supposedly bloodthirsty Jewish underground let 630 go indicates
> >: >that there was no massacre and certainly no plan for one. There
> >: >was a battle.
How can the fact that x number of Jews survived the holocaust or that
x number of Palestinians survived this incident prove that either or both
never happened or what name they should be given? Civilians that die
are massacred, whether there is a 'battle' going on around them or not.
When millions of civilians are massacred, it is a holocaust.
Poul A. Costinsky
Matthew M. Huntbach(m...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) at 25 Mar 1998 11:59:20 GMT wrote
in article <6fario$ild$5...@beta.qmw.ac.uk>
I don't know why are you arguing around this issue, but mentioned
accident can prove only his bisexuality, not disprove homosexuality.
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irgun1943
Dear Mr Brawn,
I note the great pains to take to prove that the Mosely group were not
"nazis." My reading of their history and program makes me conclude that
they were part of the European fascist movement as started by Mussolini (
nazis being the German variety). Now, if you're embarrassed that that grew
in your country, I understand. I would be too.
We're missing the forest for the trees. I've corresponded with Mr.
Khaskin. Robin Cook is a piss poor diplomat. He succeeds in making his
Israeli hosts remember every shitty thing that Britain has done to the
Jewish people and Israel. If that's the intent, that's fine. I have this
old fashioned idea that a diplomat was supposed to smooth relations between
countries.
irgun1943
Ian Brawn <___._____@cern.ch> wrote in article
<6fahbl$gfe$1...@sunnews.cern.ch>...
>
> Grigori Khaskin wrote:
> > It is really strange. Well, from your last post you stated that Britain
> >> Ian.
>
>
Cris
Igal_Pe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
MI-5 will not do the investigation either, because
> controled by socialists, and must be politically correct.
>
> warm private reception with arafrt Cook was too excited? Why he was agitated
> and dramatically changed schedule? Why that go as far that he decided to meet
> with arafart privately again? Questions, questions? Will we know the answer?
Gods, you sound like a frigging witch hunter out of the 17th century. To
speak for myself, I do NOT want to know - what an entirely stupid topic!
Anyway, the MI-5 - socialist thing is too great to be true. I'm a
socialist, too. Please, can I control the CIA tomorrow?
Cris (fed up with the whole Cook crap)
Mike Harding
irgun1943 wrote:
> Dear Mr Brawn,
> I note the great pains to take to prove that the Mosely group were not
> "nazis." My reading of their history and program makes me conclude that
> they were part of the European fascist movement as started by Mussolini (
> nazis being the German variety). Now, if you're embarrassed that that grew
> in your country, I understand. I would be too.
It did not grow,it died.Moseley's fascists were insignificant and never gained
even one MP.I am proud to say that the British electorate rejected him and what
he
had to say.
You cannot make any other claim .
The British on this issue are exonerated,totally.
You should also look at your own Fascists.
> We're missing the forest for the trees. I've corresponded with Mr.
> Khaskin. Robin Cook is a piss poor diplomat. He succeeds in making his
> Israeli hosts remember every shitty thing that Britain has done to the
> Jewish people and Israel. If that's the intent, that's fine. I have this
> old fashioned idea that a diplomat was supposed to smooth relations between
> countries.
> irgun1943
>
> Ian Brawn <___._____@cern.ch> wrote in article
> <6fahbl$gfe$1...@sunnews.cern.ch>...
I agree with most of what you say here ,he is a disaster and an embarassment.
He screwed up badly in India and Indonesia as well .
The sooner we send the gnome back to the garden pool ,the better.
Regards
Mike
Mister Lardy Pants
>
>
>irgun1943 wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr Brawn,
>> I note the great pains to take to prove that the Mosely group were not
>> "nazis." My reading of their history and program makes me conclude that
>> they were part of the European fascist movement as started by Mussolini (
>> nazis being the German variety). Now, if you're embarrassed that that grew
>> in your country, I understand. I would be too.
>
>It did not grow,it died.Moseley's fascists were insignificant and never gained
>even one MP.I am proud to say that the British electorate rejected him and what
>he
>had to say.
>You cannot make any other claim .
>The British on this issue are exonerated,totally.
Apart that is from having a King that defected to fascism and passed
on military secrets, a Prime Minister who himself was concerned to
limit the influence of Jews and advocated the mass internment and
sterilisation of "undesirables" ...
Fascism was a fifth wheel in Britain, which managed to avoid the
upheavals in Europe after 1918 thanks only to two great resources - a
huge Empire, based on the subjugation and super-exploitation of
hundreds of millions of people, and a uniquely supine Labour Party.
Grigori Khaskin
Matthew M. Huntbach (m...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) wrote:
: > : Grigori, you keep claiming that Britain has had its own Nazis.
: > Why you denying that chapter in Britain history?
: > It is really strange. Well, from your last post you stated that Britain
: > had not nazi party, but "Union of fascist". But what the hell is the
: > difference here?
: The difference is that the British "Union of Fascists" never attracted
: significant support, it never even had a single member of Parliament
: elected.
Dear Matthew,
I was not talking about "support" they did or did not enjoy, and how
"representative" they were in legislature. Appeasement of Hitler in
Munich by your bloody PM, btw, did boost their popularity, and if the war
which oficially kicked in 1939 was postponed for acouple years, outcome
could be different.
But back to the topic: I was talking about nazi phenomena in GB. Period. If
you see the difference in fascist ideology between say, Italian, German,
Spanish, English, so-on brands - you are more than welcome to articulate it.
I DO NOT see ANY IDEOLOGICAL difference between Mosley and Himler for
example. Practical differnce existed - Mosley did not have an opportunity
to "implement" his desired and achieve Juden-free UK, dominated by local
aryans, his counterpart in Germany and occupied Europe did try.
G.K.
: Matthew Huntbach