U.S. and Israeli militaries discuss attack on USS Liberty
Kosher Cunny
Brunei News.Net
Saturday 5th July, 2008
Leading defense officials from the United States and Israel, meeting in
Israel this week, raised the controversial attack on the U.S. ship USS
Liberty, by Israel, in June 1967.
The attack has caused considerable controversy over the years despite both
governments being reticent to publicly discuss the affair.
It is rare that defense officials from either side discuss the attack which
killed 34 U.S. service personnel, and wounded 171 others. In talks this week
however between the U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Admiral Michael
Mullen, and Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi, together
with other senior Israeli and American military officials, the subject was
well and truly on the table.
According to a Haaretz newspaper report on Friday, quoting a source from the
Israeli delegation, the Liberty attack was raised in talks regarding Iran,
and U.S. operations in the Middle East. While it was stressed that the
parties did not discuss operational coordination, it was agreed by both
sides that the United States and Israel would want to avoid any sort of
'mistaken confrontation' such as that which occurred when Israeli forces
attacked the USS Liberty.
Why Mullen was in Israel at all remains a mystery, and the fact that he
spent two days there is even more surprising. Not only that but this week's
visit to Israel was the second since December by the Chairman of the U.S.
Joint Chiefs. Further it followed a visit to Israel last week by two
four-star U.S. Generals. Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Gary Roughead,
was in Israel for high-level talks with his Israeli counterpart, Vice
Admiral Eliezer Marom. It was their third meeting in eight months. Around
the middle of last week Gen. William S. Wallace, commander of the U.S. Army
Training and Doctrine Command, landed in Tel Aviv. He was there as the guest
of OC Ground Forces Command Maj.-Gen. Avi Mizrahi. In contrast to Roughead's
visit, which was covered by the media, the Israeli military refused to
answer questions about the Wallace visit.
The Mullen visit has been downplayed by the Pentagon but it was reported in
the Israeli press the Joint Chiefs chairman cut short his trip to Europe to
fly to Tel Aviv. Yet last week Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell at a press
briefing told reporters, "As for Chairman Mullen's trip, I believe it's been
months at least that it's been, well, it's been months on the schedule. It
is, I believe, part of his normal outreach to strong allies of ours across
the globe, Israel being one of our closest and strongest. But I believe this
is a routine opportunity for Chairman Mullen to engage his counterpart in
Israel on military-to-military matters, as he does in much of his travels
around the world."
Mullen is scheduled to meet with his Israeli counterpart again in a few
weeks time in Washington. It will be the fourth time the men will have met
since December. The intense discussions between the two military powers
comes just two weeks after it was reported the Israel Air Force had
conducted one of the largest aerial exercises in its history. The IAF
reportedly flew one hundred F-15 and F-16 fighter jets - supported by midair
fuel tankers and rescue helicopters - 1,500 kilometers westward over the
Mediterranean Sea. This just happens to equal the distance eastward from
Israel to Iran's nuclear facilities.
While Mullen this week was playing down threats of a military strike against
Iran, by either the United States or Israel, speculation is rising that an
attack will be carried out by Israel after the U.S. election in November.
Whilst U.S. officials, including Mullen, are pouring cold water on the idea,
none have told Israel publicly that the U.S. would not condone such an
attack.
Given the opportunity of squashing the speculation last week, the United
States' top defense official, William H. Gates, refused to address the
topic. On June 26 at a press conference Gates was asked," just curious to
what extent you're worried that Israel may take preemptive military action
against Iran with or without the support of the United States?"
Gates: "I'm not going to talk about a hypothetical."
Immediately after this question, the defense secretary was asked what he
thought about Israel's view of Iran's timetable for obtaining a nuclear
weapon, and in responding hesitated before indicating he was not even sure
what his own country's estimate of when Iran might obtain a nuclear weapon.
Reporter: "Mr. Secretary, have you seen any evidence to support claims made
by Israel that Iran's program for enriching uranium and perhaps producing
fissile material for nuclear weapons is much further along than previously
thought?"
Gates: "I think that the best way to characterize it is that there is a
range of views among intelligence analysts in different countries, and our
analysts probably tend to be a little more , think that the timeline is
somewhat longer before they would have, be able to have enough enriched
uranium to begin to proceed toward a weaponization process. I would say that
Israel is not the only country -- without getting into any further details,
that Israel is not the only country that has a more pessimistic view in
terms of how soon they could have something".
Reporter: "And what is the timeline by U.S. analysts?"
Gates: "I think that, well, I'd better not say. I'm not 100 percent sure."
So where does the Liberty fit in? What discussions could have possible
brought the Liberty attack to the fore? If indeed Israel is planning an
attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, could it be that the U.S. has warned
the Jewish state it would not tolerate a repeat of what happened to the
Liberty? What other explanation could there be for discussing an incident
both governments have long tried to forget?
The USS Liberty, an unarmed electronic intelligence-gathering ship was
sailing off the Egyptian Coast, fourteen miles from the Sinai Peninsular on
8th June 1967, the fourth day of the Six Day War. According to official
reports later from both sides Israel flew a number of recon flights over the
ship from early in the day. Then in the middle of the afternoon, the ship
which had no means of defending itself, and despite being covered with
broadcast towers and antennas, and bearing an American flag, was attacked by
waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers with
rockets, fragmentation bombs, heat seeking missiles, and napalm. A large
number of officers and crew were killed and scores more were wounded. The
ship was ablaze and as crewmembers rushed to extinguish fires, Israeli
torpedo boats arrived on the scene and started firing torpedos. According to
witnesses (survivors) Israeli gun boats then toured the area machine-gunning
survivors.
The Liberty's radio frequencies were jammed as the assault started, however
it got one message out to the Sixth Fleet nine minutes after the attack
commenced, saying it was under attack by Israeli aircraft. The Sixth Fleet
twice dispatched planes to aid the stricken ship. Towards the end of the
attack Defense Secretary Robert McNamara was in contact with his counterpart
in Israel telling him to call off the attack. Around this time Israel
claimed it had made a mistake, saying it thought the ship was an Egyptian
vessel. Much to the anger of the Sixth Fleet, and in particular, the USS
Liberty, the planes sent to aid the Liberty were recalled.
While the U.S. government under President Johnson failed to publicly
criticize Israel, a practice that continues to this day, the government's
views were revealed in a diplomatic note to the Israeli ambassador to the
United States penned by Secretary of State Dean Rusk two days after the
attack:
"The Secretary of State presents his compliments to His Excellency the
Ambassador of Israel and has the honor to refer to the Ambassadors Note of
June 10, 1967 concerning the attack by Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats on
the United States naval vessel USS Liberty, which was carried out at 1605
and 1625 hours local time. Respectively, on June 8, 1967 while the USS
Liberty was engaged in peaceful activities in international waters," Rusk
wrote.
"At the time of the attack, the USS Liberty was flying the American flag and
its identification was clearly indicated in large white letters and numerals
on its hull. It was broad daylight and the weather conditions were
excellent. Experience demonstrates that both the flag and the identification
number of the vessel were readily visible from the air."
"At 1450 hours local time on June 8, 1967, two Israeli aircraft circled the
USS Liberty three times, with the evident purpose of identifying the vessel.
Accordingly there is every reason to believe that the USS Liberty was
identified, or at least her nationality determined, by Israeli aircraft
approximately one hour before the attack. In these circumstances, the later
military attack by Israeli aircraft on the USS Liberty is quite literally
incomprehensible. As a minimum, the attack must be condemned as an act of
military recklessness reflecting wanton disregard for human life."
"The subsequent attack by Israeli torpedo boats, substantially after the
vessel was or should have been identified by Israeli military forces,
manifests the same reckless disregard for human life. The silhouette and
conduct of the USS Liberty readily distinguished it from any vessel that
could have been considered as hostile. The USS Liberty was peacefully
engaged, posed no threat whatsoever to the torpedo boats, and obviously
carried no armament affording it a combat capability. It could and should
have been scrutinized visually at close range before torpedoes were fired,"
said Secretary of State Rusk.
"While the Ambassador of Israel has informed the Secretary of State that
"the Government of Israel is prepared to make amends for the tragic loss of
life and material damage," the Secretary of State wishes to make clear that
the United States Government expects the Government of Israel also to take
the disciplinary measures which international law requires in the event of
wrongful conduct by the military personnel of a State. He wishes also to
make clear that the United States Government expects the Government of
Israel to issue instructions necessary to ensure that United States
personnel and property will not again be endangered by the wrongful actions
of Israeli military personnel."
"The United States Government expects that the Government of Israel will
provide compensation in accordance with international law to the extent that
it is possible to compensate for the losses sustained in this tragic event.
The Department of State will, in the near future, present to the Government
of Israel a full monetary statement of its claim.""
When Rusk published his memoirs in 1990 in his book "As I Saw It," he had
this to say about the Liberty incident:
"We also lost 34 American lives when, on June 8, the fourth day of the war,
the U.S. communications ship Liberty came under air and naval attack. We
were meeting with President Johnson in the White House situation room,
considering the implications had the Soviets or Egyptians attacked the ship,
when we received word from Tel Aviv that Israeli forces were responsible.
That didn't please us, although an Israeli attack on Liberty was far easier
to deal with. But I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their
sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by
accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels
we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I
don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."
Survivors of the Liberty have fought for four decades for a Congressional
inquiry into the attack, but no members of Congress have been willing to
pick up the baton to take it forward. Last month the controversy briefly
raised its head again when Ward Boston, Jr.,Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.),
Counsel to the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry's investigation into the attack
died. He however broke his silence in recent years on what he claimed was a
cover-up by the Johnson administration.
On January 9 2004 at Coronado, California he executed an affidavit in which
he said:
"For more than 30 years, I have remained silent on the topic of USS Liberty.
I am a military man and when orders come in from the Secretary of Defense
and President of the United States, I follow them."
"However, recent attempts to rewrite history compel me to share the truth,"
he said.
"In June of 1967, while serving as a Captain in the Judge Advocate General
Corps, Department of the Navy, I was assigned as senior legal counsel for
the Navy's Court of Inquiry into the brutal attack on USS Liberty, which had
occurred on June 8th."
"The late Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, president of the Court, and I were given
only one week to gather evidence for the Navy's official investigation into
the attack, despite the fact that we both had estimated that a proper Court
of Inquiry into an attack of this magnitude would take at least six months
to conduct," said Boston.
"Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., then Commander-in-chief, Naval Forces Europe
(CINCUSNAVEUR), (the father of current presidential candidate John McCain)
at his headquarters in London, had charged Admiral Kidd (in a letter dated
June 10, 1967) to "inquire into all the pertinent facts and circumstances
leading to and connected with the armed attack; damage resulting therefrom;
and deaths of and injuries to Naval personnel.""
"Despite the short amount of time we were given, we gathered a vast amount
of evidence, including hours of heartbreaking testimony from the young
survivors," said Boston.
"The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty
that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others,
was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew.
Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our private
thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral Kidd
repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as
"murderous bastards." It was our shared belief, based on the documentary
evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was
planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident."
"I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack, as well as
their superiors, who had ordered the attack, were well aware that the ship
was American," wrote Boston.
"I saw the flag, which had visibly identified the ship as American, riddled
with bullet holes, and heard testimony that made it clear that the Israelis
intended there be no survivors. 10. Not only did the Israelis attack the
ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats
machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the
crew to save the most seriously wounded - a war crime."
"Admiral Kidd and I both felt it necessary to travel to Israel to interview
the Israelis who took part in the attack. Admiral Kidd telephoned Admiral
McCain to discuss making arrangements. Admiral Kidd later told me that
Admiral McCain was adamant that we were not to travel to Israel or contact
the Israelis concerning this matter" said Boston.
"Regrettably, we did not receive into evidence and the Court did not
consider any of the more than sixty witness declarations from men who had
been hospitalized and were unable to testify in person."
"I am outraged at the efforts of the apologists for Israel in this country
to claim that this attack was a case of "mistaken identity. In particular,
the recent publication of Jay Cristol's book, The Liberty Incident, twists
the facts and misrepresents the views of those of us who investigated the
attack," said Boston.
"It is Cristol's insidious attempt to whitewash the facts that has pushed me
to speak out."
"I know from personal conversations I had with Admiral Kidd that President
Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to
conclude that the attack was a case of "mistaken identity" despite
overwhelming evidence to the contrary," said Boston.
"Admiral Kidd told me, after returning from Washington, D.C. that he had
been ordered to sit down with two civilians from either the White House or
the Defense Department, and rewrite portions of the court's findings."
"Admiral Kidd also told me that he had been ordered to "put the lid" on
everything having to do with the attack on USS Liberty. We were never to
speak of it and we were to caution everyone else involved that they could
never speak of it again," he said.
"I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of that statement as I know that the
Court of Inquiry transcript that has been released to the public is not the
same one that I certified and sent off to Washington."
"I know this because it was necessary, due to the exigencies of time, to
hand correct and initial a substantial number of pages. I have examined the
released version of the transcript and I did not see any pages that bore my
hand corrections and initials. Also, the original did not have any
deliberately blank pages, as the released version does. Finally, the
testimony of Lt. Painter concerning the deliberate machine gunning of the
life rafts by the Israeli torpedo boat crews, which I distinctly recall
being given at the Court of Inquiry and included in the original transcript,
is now missing and has been excised," claimed Boston.
"Following the conclusion of the Court of Inquiry, Admiral Kidd and I
remained in contact. Though we never spoke of the attack in public, we did
discuss it between ourselves, on occasion. Every time we discussed the
attack, Admiral Kidd was adamant that it was a deliberate, planned attack on
an American ship."
"In 1990, I received a telephone call from Jay Cristol, who wanted to
interview me concerning the functioning of the Court of Inquiry. I told him
that I would not speak to him on that subject and prepared to hang up the
telephone. Cristol then began asking me about my personal background and
other, non-Court of Inquiry related matters. I endeavored to answer these
questions and politely extricate myself from the conversation. Cristol
continued to return to the subject of the Court of Inquiry, which I refused
to discuss with him. Finally, I suggested that he contact Admiral Kidd and
ask him about the Court of Inquiry," said Boston.
"Shortly after my conversation with Cristol, I received a telephone call
from Admiral Kidd, inquiring about Cristol and what he was up to. The
Admiral spoke of Cristol in disparaging terms and even opined that "Cristol
must be an Israeli agent." I don't know if he meant that literally or it was
his way of expressing his disgust for Cristol's highly partisan, pro-Israeli
approach to questions involving USS Liberty."
"At no time did I ever hear Admiral Kidd speak of Cristol other than in
highly disparaging terms. I find Cristol's claims of a "close friendship"
with Admiral Kidd to be utterly incredible. I also find it impossible to
believe the statements he attributes to Admiral Kidd, concerning the attack
on USS Liberty," he said.
"Several years later, I received a letter from Cristol that contained what
he purported to be his notes of our prior conversation. These "notes" were
grossly incorrect and bore no resemblance in reality to that discussion. I
find it hard to believe that these "notes" were the product of a mistake,
rather than an attempt to deceive. I informed Cristol that I disagreed with
his recollection of our conversation and that he was wrong. Cristol made
several attempts to arrange for the two of us to meet in person and talk but
I always found ways to avoid doing this. I did not wish to meet with Cristol
as we had nothing in common and I did not trust him," said Boston.
"Contrary to the misinformation presented by Cristol and others, it is
important for the American people to know that it is clear that Israel is
responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering
American sailors, whose bereaved shipmates have lived with this egregious
conclusion for many years," concluded the Boston affidavit.
The controversy raged as Cristol took issue with Boston. "He now says under
oath that he participated in a lie in 1967. If he is telling the truth now,
he confirms lying in 1967, or if he was truthful in 1967, then obviously he
is lying now. So how does one decide when Ward Boston was lying? Then or
now?" asked Cristol.
"Why was Boston not outraged on June 18, 1967 by the report of the Court of
Inquiry signed by, according to his definition apparent apologists for
Israel, Admiral Kidd, Captain Atkinson, Captain Lauff and Captain Boston?"
"Why was Boston not outraged on June 18, 1967 when apologist for Israel,
Admiral John C. McCain, in Boston's presence, endorsed the Court of Inquiry
with the comment: "The foregoing comments by the convening authority lead to
an overall conclusion that the attack was in fact a mistake?" asked Cristol.
"Why was Boston not outraged in July 1967 when apologist for Israel, Defense
Secretary Robert McNamara before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
stated, "In the case of the attack on the Liberty, it was the conclusion of
the investigatory body headed by an Admiral of the Navy [Isaac C. Kidd, Jr.]
in whom we have great confidence that the attack was not intentional. I read
the record of investigation and I support that conclusion, and I think . . .
it was not a conscious decision on the part of either the government of
Israel . . . [t]o attack a U.S. vessel." (Released by U.S. Government
printing office: 1967.)"
"Why was Boston not outraged on September 15, 1967, when distinguished
journalist and, by Boston's definition "apologist for Israel," James L.
Kilpatrick wrote in an article published in the National Review, on page
958, ". . . that the Israeli government was heavily dependent upon the
goodwill of the united States; it would have been utterly irrational for the
Israeli Navy knowingly to have launched an attack on the U.S. ship; and that
the only reasonable explanation is that the incident was mistake arising
from the natural tensions and fallible judgments of a hot war.""
"Why," continued Cristol, "was Boston not outraged on February 27, 1978 when
"apologist for Israel," the CIA Director Admiral Stansfield Turner, stated
in a letter to Senator Abourezk, "It remains our best judgment that the
Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not made in malice toward the United
States and was a mistake.""
"Why was Boston not outraged on September 19, 1978 when the Director of
Central Intelligence, Admiral Stansfield Turner, stated publicly on ABC
television in a discussion about the Liberty incident: ". . .we released an
evaluated over-all document which said very clearly that it was our
considered opinion that the Israeli Government had no such knowledge at that
time.""
"Why was Boston not outraged," asked Cristol, "on July 11, 1983 when
"apologist for Israel," the National Security Agency released in its
partially declassified 1981 report "Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian
ship as a result of miscalculations and egregious errors?""?
"Why was Boston not outraged on September 5, 1991 when "apologist for
Israel," President George H.W. Bush's (41) White House, wrote ". . . A
thorough investigation into the USS Liberty incident was conducted and the
conclusion was that it was a tragic case of mistaken identity.""
"Why," asked Cristol, "was Boston not outraged on May 10, 1995 when
"apologist for Israel," President William Clinton's White House, wrote,
"There is no information available that demonstrates that the attack was
deliberate.""
"Why was Boston not outraged on August 30, 1995 when Clark Clifford's July
18, 1967 report was declassified revealing the conclusion, "The weight of
the evidence is that the Israeli attacking forces originally believed their
target was Egyptian . . .2. The information thus far available does not
reflect that the Israeli high command made a premeditated attack on a ship
known to be American.""
"Why," asked Cristol, "was Boston not outraged on October 2, 2002, when
President George W. Bush's White House, wrote "The results of the
investigations were considered satisfactory,there is no precedent to
reinvestigate this case.""
"Why was Boston not outraged," asked Cristol, "on July 2, 2003 when the
"apologist for Israel" National Security Agency further declassified a
portion of page 64 of its 1981 Report, which stated, "While these reports
revealed some confusion concerning the nationality of the ship, they tended
to rule out any thesis that the Israeli Navy and Air Force deliberately
attacked a ship they knew to be American.""
--
The sun sets on the British Empire at precisely 8:41 p.m. GMT.
The_Endeavor
last_per...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> Exactly it was a mistake.
The only mistake from Israel's p.o.v. is that they were unable
to sink the Liberty and kill all the crew, i.e. witnesses.
Many still live, and all say it was deliberate, which is
of course consistent with Israel's myriad of other crimes.
> The best book on the subject is available here free.
>
> http://url2it.com/hhn
Oh looky, it's by A. Jay Cristol, noted Zionist Jew and
A#1 apologist for Israel. There was a good sale
on toilet paper at Kroger this week.
üDoug±Ç
"Kosher Cunny" <ma...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote in message
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Kosher Cunny
<last_per...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 3:44 pm, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
wrote:
> Exactly it was a mistake.
The only mistake from Israel's p.o.v. is that they were unable
to sink the Liberty and kill all the crew, i.e. witnesses.
Many still live, and all say it was deliberate, which is
of course consistent with Israel's myriad of other crimes.
Exactly, how do they say oops in Hebrew; it's always their fallback line.
The Yids knew it was a Yankee ship they could see the colors flying and the
numbers on the prow.
Fact is, the US was poised to take-out Israeli forward bases if the Israelis
attacked Cairo.
There were two aircraft carriers in the area with F-4s and nuclear weapons
ready. The Yids didn't want the US to have "ears" turned on in the
neighborhood, and the US didn't want Israel to start WW-III. If Israel
attacked Cairo the USSR would have swarmed Israel and the US would have to
defend it. The policy was it was better to use tactical nuclear weapons on
Israel's bases rather than have a real all-out war with the Soviets. Once
the US scrambled F-4s from the carriers, heading for surgical strikes
against Israel's forward bases, the Yids called off the attack on the USS
Liberty. They also attacked and missed a US electronic surveillance plane;
that was when the US Navy sent out its nuclear armed jets.
I was no mistake. the Jews tried a forceful bluff the American Navy and Air
Force, and the Americans called the Jew's bluff, hence the attack on the
Liberty was aborted. If the US Navy didn't send nuclear armed jets against
forward Israeli tactical targets, the USS Liberty would be at the bottom of
the Mediterranean Sea right now.
Knowing what we know about Israel now, we should have kept those jets
heading straight for Tel Aviv.
Eli Grubman
>Ever heard of a one-trick pony?
Yes, and your one trick is sucking jew ass.
Eli
üDoug±Ç
news:vpsf841fos2h74d9r...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:30:09 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>
>>Ever heard of a one-trick pony?
>
> Yes, and your one trick is sucking jew ass.
>
> Eli
>
You have quite a fixation on the rings around uranus.
Do you have problems w/latency?
Eli Grubman
Are you totally lacking in self-respect, Duhg? You must be if you
keep sucking jew ass.
Eli
üDoug±Ç
Uranus must be your favorite planet!
Eli Grubman
>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>news:a90g84l4if7nb9euh...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:08:31 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:vpsf841fos2h74d9r...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:30:09 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Ever heard of a one-trick pony?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and your one trick is sucking jew ass.
>>>>
>>>> Eli
>>>>
>>>
>>>You have quite a fixation on the rings around uranus.
>>>Do you have problems w/latency?
>>
>> Are you totally lacking in self-respect, Duhg? You must be if you
>> keep sucking jew ass.
>>
>> Eli
>>
>
>Uranus must be your favorite planet!
That's pretty lame, even for someone w/their head permanently stuck up
the collective jew ass.
Eli
Panta Rhei
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, writes:
<BG> Nice to see how people keep exposing you for the subnormal pervert and
racist that you are, wherever you appear.
But you don't mind, right, you hilarious, thick psychopathic cunt? True sign
of a true thick psychopathic cunt! LOL
And here everyone can see the same miserable retard again, right now posting
as Eli Grabmen, already fully retarded in 2002, stalking the same people
then and posting almost the identical garbage he keeps still posting today:
http://home.nyc.rr.com/cypherpunk/tiscali-kook.html
ROTFLOL
--
Rev. Richard Skull about Eli Grabmen: Any sex act involving YOU is
bestiality.
Panta Rhei
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, writes:
Working towards your first miserable online orgasm today, you thick
psychopathic cunt? LOL
--
"Eli plays stupid with himself and always wins."
Eli Grubman
wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, writes:
<snip Grik moron's incoherent rant>
Kalimera, Pants! Can't sleep today? LOL
Ready to get greeked all over these newsgroups on THE Usenet AGAIN
today? You bet! LOL
<EVBGVETRBVEVGBVG>
Eli
The_Endeavor
ma...@REMOVE.gmail.com says...
>
> <last_per...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b272ab64-9e9e-4496...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 23, 3:44 pm, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Exactly it was a mistake.
>
> The only mistake
Well your own article said it was a mistake. I was just quoting it. If
you disagree with that well it is because you do not read what you post?
(a)
Mindless dribble is what you are good at.
> from Israel's p.o.v. is that they were unable
> to sink the Liberty and kill all the crew, i.e. witnesses.
As if a country like Israel could do such a thing? See (a) above.
last_per...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> In article <g68qgc$re...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> m...@REMOVE.gmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > <last_permutat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:b272ab64-9e9e-4496...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 23, 3:44 pm, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Exactly it was a mistake.
>
> > The only mistake
>
> Well your own article
I am not the OP, dimwit.
> (a)
> Mindless dribble is what you are good at.
It's "drivel" dimwit.
> > from Israel's p.o.v. is that they were unable
> > to sink the Liberty and kill all the crew, i.e. witnesses.
>
> As if a country like Israel could do such a thing?
Sure they could, and do. Israel has a war crime rap sheet
about 6 million feet long. Ever hear of the dancing Israelis
on 9-11, and Jonathan Pollard?
The_Endeavor
c2acfe...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, last_per...@yahoo.com
says...
> On Jul 24, 6:36 am, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
> wrote:
> > In article <g68qgc$re...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> > m...@REMOVE.gmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >
> > > <last_permutat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:b272ab64-9e9e-4496...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jul 23, 3:44 pm, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > Exactly it was a mistake.
> >
> > > The only mistake
> >
> > Well your own article
>
> I am not the OP, dimwit.
When did I said you were?
>
> > (a)
> > Mindless dribble is what you are good at.
>
> It's "drivel" dimwit.
Check again!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mindless%20dribble
>
> > > from Israel's p.o.v. is that they were unable
> > > to sink the Liberty and kill all the crew, i.e. witnesses.
> >
> > As if a country like Israel could do such a thing?
>
> Sure they could, and do. Israel has a war crime rap sheet
> about 6 million feet long. Ever hear of the dancing Israelis
> on 9-11,
I heard it was another lie.
> and Jonathan Pollard?
US does not have spies too!
Eli Grubman
wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, writes:
<snip Grik a"h's pidgin English>
Kalimera, Pants! Not having much luck today, you miserable little
Grik cunt? LOL
<VBEGVBEVGBGVBGVG>
Eli
truth...@nospam.net
I'll believe you. Just tell us who ordered the US fighter jets that
scrambled to assist the USS Liberty to return -- and explain how Israel
could attack a ship in clear weather, flying the US flag, for over an hour
before figuring out they were stupid?
...Funny how they could do that to the ship that was reporting on their
bombing the Russian mission in Syria and bring us to high alert and the
readying nuclear weapons -- and everyone still calls it an hour-long
accident, eh?
William Black
<truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:kz%hk.534$5Q.204@trnddc06...
> In <MPG.22f302799...@West.usenet-news.net>, on 07/24/2008
> ...Funny how they could do that to the ship that was reporting on their
> bombing the Russian mission in Syria
How on earth could they do that with no Hebrew linguists on board?
Telepathy?
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
truth...@nospam.net
><truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:kz%hk.534$5Q.204@trnddc06... > In
><MPG.22f302799...@West.usenet-news.net>, on 07/24/2008
>> ...Funny how they could do that to the ship that was reporting on their
>> bombing the Russian mission in Syria
>How on earth could they do that with no Hebrew linguists on board?
>Telepathy?
Gee, you under-rate the capabilities of SPY ships. Oh I know, you always
believe what the government says, and refuse to think for yourself. They
were only listening in on radio talk, eh?
Go go some homework on the capabilities of the US military and then come
back.
last_per...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> In article <e5e5f875-1130-413b-a297-
> c2acfedca...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, last_permutat...@yahoo.com
> says...
> > On Jul 24, 6:36 am, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
> > wrote:
> > > In article <g68qgc$re...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> > > m...@REMOVE.gmail.com says...
>
> > > > <last_permutat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:b272ab64-9e9e-4496...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Jul 23, 3:44 pm, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Exactly it was a mistake.
>
> > > > The only mistake
>
> > > Well your own article
>
> > I am not the OP, dimwit.
>
> When did I said you were?
Above.
> > > (a)
> > > Mindless dribble is what you are good at.
>
> > It's "drivel" dimwit.
>
> Check again!
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mindless%20dribble
Lol, dig your source dimwit. They also have muhfuh, muhfuggin and
muhfugga.
Let's stick to the Queen's English shall we. How old are you btw,
little Zionazi?
> > > > from Israel's p.o.v. is that they were unable
> > > > to sink the Liberty and kill all the crew, i.e. witnesses.
>
> > > As if a country like Israel could do such a thing?
>
> > Sure they could, and do. Israel has a war crime rap sheet
> > about 6 million feet long. Ever hear of the dancing Israelis
> > on 9-11,
>
> I heard it was another lie.
You also heard Israel was an American ally, and peaceful little
country
known for love & kindness, dimwit.
>
> > and Jonathan Pollard?
>
> US does not have spies too?
Countries don't use spies against their allies, dimwit.
last_per...@yahoo.com
> In <g6a3b2$r0...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008
> at 03:24 PM, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> said:
>
> ><truthtel...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >news:kz%hk.534$5Q.204@trnddc06... > In
> ><MPG.22f302799ec67f27989...@West.usenet-news.net>, on 07/24/2008
> >> ...Funny how they could do that to the ship that was reporting on their
> >> bombing the Russian mission in Syria
> >How on earth could they do that with no Hebrew linguists on board?
> >Telepathy?
>
> Gee, you under-rate the capabilities of SPY ships. Oh I know, you always
> believe what the government says, and refuse to think for yourself. They
> were only listening in on radio talk, eh?
>
> Go go some homework on the capabilities of the US military and then come
> back.
The turd isn't interested in anything but being an asswipe for Israel,
it's
pretty clear.
William Black
<truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:9r0ik.486$_l.194@trnddc04...
The crew roster of NSA specialists on board USS Liberty is well known.
There were no Hebrew linguists on board.
They obviously had no real time communications or they wouldn't have had all
those problems when the attack came.
So how exactly were they spying on Israeli operations?
William Black
<last_per...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6dd6577c-c6ce-451f...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
-------------------------
Lack of content noted.
truth...@nospam.net
In <g6a8ps$8os$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008
at 04:57 PM, "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> said:
><truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:9r0ik.486$_l.194@trnddc04... > In
><g6a3b2$r0j$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008 > at 03:24 PM,
>"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> said: >
>>
>>
>>
>>><truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>news:kz%hk.534$5Q.204@trnddc06... > In
>>><MPG.22f302799...@West.usenet-news.net>, on 07/24/2008
>>
>>>> ...Funny how they could do that to the ship that was reporting on their
>>>> bombing the Russian mission in Syria
>>
>>>How on earth could they do that with no Hebrew linguists on board?
>>
>>>Telepathy?
>>
>> Gee, you under-rate the capabilities of SPY ships. Oh I know, you always
>> believe what the government says, and refuse to think for yourself. They
>> were only listening in on radio talk, eh?
>>
>> Go go some homework on the capabilities of the US military and then come
>> back.
>>
>The crew roster of NSA specialists on board USS Liberty is well known.
>There were no Hebrew linguists on board.
Irrelevant.
>They obviously had no real time communications or they wouldn't have had
>all those problems when the attack came.
Irrelevant. And a lie.
>So how exactly were they spying on Israeli operations?
Do your homework son. And stop tying tell people who were in the military
and saw the capabilities first hand -- what was going on.
William Black
<truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:IJ1ik.481$oU.380@trnddc07...
So why didn't they communicate?
>>So how exactly were they spying on Israeli operations?
>
>
> Do your homework son. And stop tying tell people who were in the military
> and saw the capabilities first hand -- what was going on.
Stop prevaricating.
How did they do it?
And don't try the old 'If I told you I'd have to shoot you' routine.
Because so far nobody has ever indicated that USS Liberty had the capacity
to pass real time intelligence or real time speech information. Without
Hebrew linguists how did they know they weren't just collecting traffic from
the Tel Aviv Taxi Company?
last_per...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> <last_permutat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6dd6577c-c6ce-451f...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 24, 10:35 am, truthtel...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In <g6a3b2$r0...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008
> > at 03:24 PM, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> said:
>
> > ><truthtel...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> > >news:kz%hk.534$5Q.204@trnddc06... > In
> > ><MPG.22f302799ec67f27989...@West.usenet-news.net>, on 07/24/2008
> > >> ...Funny how they could do that to the ship that was reporting on their
> > >> bombing the Russian mission in Syria
> > >How on earth could they do that with no Hebrew linguists on board?
> > >Telepathy?
>
> > Gee, you under-rate the capabilities of SPY ships. Oh I know, you always
> > believe what the government says, and refuse to think for yourself. They
> > were only listening in on radio talk, eh?
>
> > Go go some homework on the capabilities of the US military and then come
> > back.
>
> The turd isn't interested in anything but being an asswipe for Israel,
> it's
> pretty clear.
>
> -------------------------
>
> Lack of content noted.
No content required, Zionist asswipe.
Get ZIONIST ASSWIPE tattooed across your greasy forehead, turd.
truth...@nospam.net
In <g6a9bh$fhi$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008
The did asshole. Come back when you are ready to stop lying.
>>>So how exactly were they spying on Israeli operations?
>>
>>
>> Do your homework son. And stop tying tell people who were in the military
>> and saw the capabilities first hand -- what was going on.
>Stop prevaricating.
>How did they do it?
>And don't try the old 'If I told you I'd have to shoot you' routine.
You can go do you're own homework son. Focus on the words "SPY" and
"ship" and figure out they can do more the listen to radio communications.
Which will lead you to facts you are avoiding.
>Because so far nobody has ever indicated that USS Liberty had the
>capacity to pass real time intelligence or real time speech information.
Bullshit. Stop lying.
>Without Hebrew linguists how did they know they weren't just collecting
>traffic from the Tel Aviv Taxi Company?
Stop lying.
last_per...@yahoo.com
> In <g6a9bh$fh...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008
> at 05:07 PM, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> said:
>
>
>
>
>
> ><truthtel...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >news:IJ1ik.481$oU.380@trnddc07... >
>
> >> In <g6a8ps$8o...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008
> >> at 04:57 PM, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> said:
>
> >>><truthtel...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:9r0ik.486$_l.194@trnddc04... > In
> >>><g6a3b2$r0...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008 > at 03:24 PM,
> >>>"William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> said: >
>
> >>>>><truthtel...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:kz%hk.534$5Q.204@trnddc06... > In
> >>>>><MPG.22f302799ec67f27989...@West.usenet-news.net>, on 07/24/2008
He's a Zionazi, or one of their shabbos goy lemmings.
Telling them to stop lying is like telling a skunk not
to stink.
William Black
fla...@verizon.net
On 24-Jul-2008, "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> The crew roster of NSA specialists on board USS Liberty is well known.
>
> There were no Hebrew linguists on board.
>
> They obviously had no real time communications or they wouldn't have had
> all
> those problems when the attack came.
>
> So how exactly were they spying on Israeli operations?
I had heard the "spying on Israel" theory, and had actually accepted
it at one time, because it made sense - if the US was endangering
Israeli soldiers by reporting troop movements, it would certainly have
explained why Israel would have deliberately attacked US & why we
would have saids *so quickly* "Yes, we agree it was an accident."
The whole business w/the Chinese Embassy in Iraq getting bombed
turned out to be just such a diplomatic comedy. But someone else
disabused me of the notion by other means - however, your explanation
makes even better sense; thanks for pointing it out.
Susan
üDoug±Ç
Your fixation on Jewish arse and anal sex exhibits the classic signs of
homosexual latency.
Eli Grubman
>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>news:mpeg84hl6konifj1k...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:54:52 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a90g84l4if7nb9euh...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:08:31 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:vpsf841fos2h74d9r...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:30:09 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ever heard of a one-trick pony?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, and your one trick is sucking jew ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eli
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You have quite a fixation on the rings around uranus.
>>>>>Do you have problems w/latency?
>>>>
>>>> Are you totally lacking in self-respect, Duhg? You must be if you
>>>> keep sucking jew ass.
>>>>
>>>> Eli
>>>>
>>>
>>>Uranus must be your favorite planet!
>>
>> That's pretty lame, even for someone w/their head permanently stuck up
>> the collective jew ass.
>>
>> Eli
>>
>
>Your fixation on Jewish arse and anal sex exhibits the classic signs of
>homosexual latency.
Your insistence on sucking jew ass exhibits the classic signs of
shabbos goy gullibility.
Eli
truth...@nospam.net
Are you really so dumb as to think all a "spy ship" does is listen to
voice radio conversations?
Try monitoring sea and air traffic, radio and radar frequencies, as well
as intercepting and decrypting coded radio and phone communications.
They also can go with active radar or sonar to detect movement of
aircraft, missiles, ships, vehicles and troops.
Its how we knew what they had done and how close they were taking us to
the nuclear showdown with the Russians. Frankly, the Russians had had
enough and told Washington that if they didn't stop the attacks, they
would move to do so. The USS LIberty was gathering data to verify what
the Russians said had happened. That's why it was attacked.
truth...@nospam.net
07/24/2008
>> "ship" and figure out they can do more the listen to radio communications..
>> Which will lead you to facts you are avoiding.
>>
>> >Because so far nobody has ever indicated that USS Liberty had the
>> >capacity to pass real time intelligence or real time speech information.
>>
>> Bullshit. Stop lying.
>>
>> >Without Hebrew linguists how did they know they weren't just collecting
>> >traffic from the Tel Aviv Taxi Company?
>>
>> Stop lying.
>He's a Zionazi, or one of their shabbos goy lemmings.
>Telling them to stop lying is like telling a skunk not
>to stink.
Yeah. I know the type.
Panta Rhei
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, writes:
It's OBVIOUS now to everyone:
This IS your sort of "sex life" you are having here, dumb Grabmen: first
fantasizing about other people's alleged sex lives and then you letting
yourself get fucked by everybody on the Usenet! LMAO!
Working towards your first miserable online orgasm today again, you
hilarious psycho? Or will it be already your second or third one?
What a tragic show, what display of complete mental devastation and
psychopathy, and what a laugh!
William Black
<truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:qX4ik.389$X2.385@trnddc03...
Active radar?
To detect the movement of missiles, vehicles and troops!
On ship out at sea?
As for air traffic, phone and teleprinter traffic, along with coded
messages, exactly what language do you think they were speaking?
And Sonar!
I'll have some of what he's smoking...
William Black
truth...@nospam.net
Run along zionist. There must something about your religion that is
keeping you from thinking with a clear head. I can't educate a fool who
is refusing to learn.
PS dumbass: Radar does not need spoken language to work. Some other
technologies do not either. think it out.
In <g6auli$b6a$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008
Kosher Cunny
"The_Endeavor" <The_En...@NoEmailAddress.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22f302799...@West.usenet-news.net...>> <last_per...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:b272ab64-9e9e-4496...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 23, 3:44 pm, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Exactly it was a mistake.
>>
>> The only mistake
>
> you disagree with that well it is because you do not read what you post?
>
> Mindless dribble is what you are good at.
>
>> to sink the Liberty and kill all the crew, i.e. witnesses.
>
>
Posting an article does not require total and full agreement with every word
of it. The last time I checked we all have a right to dissent, and disagree
with whatever we choose to disagree with. You're an Islamophobe, and a
pro-Zionist idiot. ...and a patent liar for the immoral state of Israel.
Kosher Cunny
"The_Endeavor" <The_En...@NoEmailAddress.com> wrote in message
In article <e5e5f875-1130-413b-a297-
c2acfe...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, last_per...@yahoo.com
says...
> On Jul 24, 6:36 am, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
> wrote:
> > In article <g68qgc$re...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> > m...@REMOVE.gmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >
> > > <last_permutat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:b272ab64-9e9e-4496...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jul 23, 3:44 pm, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > Exactly it was a mistake.
> >
> > > The only mistake
> >
> > Well your own article
>
> I am not the OP, dimwit.
>When did I said you were?
I say you are a party-line Zionist moron. ...and an Islamophobic idiot.
Kosher Cunny
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:g6a8qm$ak0$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> <last_per...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6dd6577c-c6ce-451f...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 24, 10:35 am, truthtel...@nospam.net wrote:
>> In <g6a3b2$r0...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008
>> at 03:24 PM, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> said:
>>
>> ><truthtel...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >news:kz%hk.534$5Q.204@trnddc06... > In
>> ><MPG.22f302799ec67f27989...@West.usenet-news.net>, on 07/24/2008
>> >> ...Funny how they could do that to the ship that was reporting on
>> >> their
>> >> bombing the Russian mission in Syria
>> >How on earth could they do that with no Hebrew linguists on board?
>> >Telepathy?
>>
>> Gee, you under-rate the capabilities of SPY ships. Oh I know, you always
>> believe what the government says, and refuse to think for yourself. They
>> were only listening in on radio talk, eh?
>>
>> Go go some homework on the capabilities of the US military and then come
>> back.
>
> The turd isn't interested in anything but being an asswipe for Israel,
> it's
> pretty clear.
>
> -------------------------
>
> Lack of content noted.
>
Blackie's lack of cognitive reasoning noted.
==
"I've watched the meremaids singing each to each...
...And .... I was afraid."
-TS Elliot
Fred J. McCall
:
:The crew roster of NSA specialists on board USS Liberty is well known.
:
:There were no Hebrew linguists on board.
:
:They obviously had no real time communications or they wouldn't have had all
:those problems when the attack came.
The initial attack took their radios down.
:So how exactly were they spying on Israeli operations?
Intercept and retransmission to somewhere where there WERE Hebrew
linguists, of course.
Any time Wee Willie says something is 'obvious', check your wallet...
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
frank
Some of these things never get a straight answer and that's when you
need to know it.
One reason was that they were finding out the Israelis were getting
Egyptian transmissions and then sending fake messages back out.
In 67 there was no Russian threat to go to war, that was the 73 war.
But the NSA puts out less of an official history than the CIA ever
does.
Though back in 67 I doubt they were doing much more than taping stuff
for later analysis, retransmission would have been a real stretch.
With the equipment back then , it would have been a stretch to get the
ELINT that they were interested in, and at that point in the Cold War
with Vietnam running, no doubt everybody and their brother was tasking
for all sorts of RADAR and SIGINT analysis.
As far as the Israelis figuring out it was an American ship, its hard
to see a flag when you're going in in a jet, though you'd think they
could figure out ship silhouettes. First thing you take out in an
attack is comm, so that wouldn't be much of a conspiracy proof.
The Israelis did pay some reparations, though not enough in my
opinion. I think the Navy did hang them out to dry, but that was
repeated in the Pueblo.
That happened a bit over a year later, I remember going why the hell
didn't we do something. The word that came back was they only had F-4s
on alert with nuclear weapons in Korea. Nobody could do anything.
nobody's head rolled for that one either. I never did believe that
excuse. There were a lot of pissed off pilots in Japan over that one,
no doubt in Korea also. Not to mention a lot of Navy people thinking
of their shipmates.
And so it goes...
Eli Grubman
wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, writes:
<snip the Grik retard's gnarled syntax and bizarre English usage>
Kalimera, Pants! Falling behind with the follow-up posts, eh?
What the fuck's the matter with you, you mongoloid Grik a"h?
Been greeked once too often? LOL
<VBEVBGBVEGVBGVBVG>
Eli
Kosher Cunny
<truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:qX4ik.389$X2.385@trnddc03...
Absolutely, and Washington was ready with tactical nuclear weapons to stop
Israel dead in it's tracks. The attack on the USS Liberty was finally
stopped because the US Navy had scrambled several of its F-4 fighter-bombers
to attack Israel's advance bases. The Israelis knew the jig was up! The
Israelis also tried unsuccessfully to attack a USAF surveillance plane also
in the area.
The fact that the US Navy had a Polaris -- Lafayette class -- nuclear
submarine shadowing the Liberty might have had something to do with ending
the attack too. For the Israelis it was a no win, and all would be had lost,
situation, if they continued.
The US Navy got 6 million dollars from Israel for damages to the Liberty,
after asking for more. Israel refused to pay anything more than 6 million
dollars. The cheap bastards..!
Kosher Cunny
<truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:_M7ik.569$5Q.176@trnddc06...
>
>
> Run along zionist. There must something about your religion that is
> keeping you from thinking with a clear head. I can't educate a fool who
> is refusing to learn.
>
> PS dumbass: Radar does not need spoken language to work. Some other
> technologies do not either. think it out.
>
>
Blackie's as dumb as a bag of hammers. :-)
Kosher Cunny
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:Ux3ik.490$oU.94@trnddc07...
Stupid is as stupid does... tomorrow's Friday Suzy, get your asshole oiled
and ready.
William Black
"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:m1ci841upa5p0lu4h...@4ax.com...
> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> :
> :The crew roster of NSA specialists on board USS Liberty is well known.
> :
> :There were no Hebrew linguists on board.
> :
> :They obviously had no real time communications or they wouldn't have had
> all
> :those problems when the attack came.
> :
>
> The initial attack took their radios down.
>
> :So how exactly were they spying on Israeli operations?
>
> Intercept and retransmission to somewhere where there WERE Hebrew
> linguists, of course.
Possible, but how?
Military satellite communications were in their infancy and available only
to major fleet units.
So it's HF or line-of-sight...
HF means a vast bandwidth and everyone, including a deaf radio amateur in
Seattle, have noticed,
Line-of-sight opens up a whole new conspiracy...
Nope, no bulk forwarding of traffic...
William Black
"Kosher Cunny" <ma...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:g6c31d$4nc$1...@aioe.org...
> The fact that the US Navy had a Polaris -- Lafayette class -- nuclear
> submarine shadowing the Liberty might have had something to do with ending
> the attack too. For the Israelis it was a no win, and all would be had
> lost, situation, if they continued.
Cite please.
last_per...@yahoo.com
>
> As far as the Israelis figuring out it was an American ship, its hard
> to see a flag when you're going in in a jet,
When you're flying low and slow enough for men on the deck of
the Liberty to clearly see the pilots as they pass?
>though you'd think they
> could figure out ship silhouettes. First thing you take out in an
> attack is comm, so that wouldn't be much of a conspiracy proof.
The attack was deliberate, consistent with the established behavior
of the terrorist, tyrannous state of Israel.
> The Israelis did pay some reparations, though not enough in my
> opinion.
A few million $, which was a joke, considering it was an appalling
war crime against an "ally," and considering that it was just the
returning of a tiny fraction of American taxpayer money sent to
them already that year.
> I think the Navy did hang them out to dry,
But the *official* U.S. conclusion was that it was simply
a tragic accident, courtesy of Uncle Samstein.
fla...@verizon.net
On 25-Jul-2008, "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> "Kosher Cunny" <ma...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g6c31d$4nc$1...@aioe.org...
>
> > The fact that the US Navy had a Polaris -- Lafayette class -- nuclear
> > submarine shadowing the Liberty might have had something to do with
> > ending
> > the attack too. For the Israelis it was a no win, and all would be had
> > lost, situation, if they continued.
>
> Cite please.
Don't hold your breath; he is a known liar & hatemonger.
Susan
truth...@nospam.net
>"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:m1ci841upa5p0lu4h...@4ax.com...
>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> :
>> :The crew roster of NSA specialists on board USS Liberty is well known.
>> :
>> :There were no Hebrew linguists on board.
>> :
>> :They obviously had no real time communications or they wouldn't have had
>> all
>> :those problems when the attack came.
>> :
>>
>> The initial attack took their radios down.
>>
>> :So how exactly were they spying on Israeli operations?
>>
>> Intercept and retransmission to somewhere where there WERE Hebrew
>> linguists, of course.
>Possible, but how?
>Military satellite communications were in their infancy and available
>only to major fleet units.
>So it's HF or line-of-sight...
That's not so. The Navy was using some of the same technology the USAF
was. The USAF could talk to bombers around the world at almost anytime.
Eli Grubman
Hold your breath. You are a known thick Irish cunt.
Eli
Eli Grabmen is a Psychopath! LOL
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, writes:
<BG> Don't hold your breath: you are a known all over Usenet now as a thick,
psychopathic cunt, Eli Grabmen!
You've been exactly THAT for OVER SIX YEARS now! ROTFLOL
And here everyone can see the same miserable retard again, right now posting
as Eli Grabmen, already fully retarded in 2002, stalking the same people
then and posting almost the identical garbage he keeps still posting today:
http://home.nyc.rr.com/cypherpunk/tiscali-kook.html
ROTFLOL
--
üDoug±Ç about Eli Grabmen: "If you want to be a woman Eli, they do have
operations for that sort of thing."
William Black
<truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:dnkik.607$5Q.305@trnddc06...
> In <g6c9nu$ts5$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/25/2008
> at 11:26 AM, "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> said:
>
>
>
>
>>"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:m1ci841upa5p0lu4h...@4ax.com...
>>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> :
>>> :The crew roster of NSA specialists on board USS Liberty is well known.
>>> :
>>> :There were no Hebrew linguists on board.
>>> :
>>> :They obviously had no real time communications or they wouldn't have
>>> had
>>> all
>>> :those problems when the attack came.
>>> :
>>>
>>> The initial attack took their radios down.
>>>
>>> :So how exactly were they spying on Israeli operations?
>>>
>>> Intercept and retransmission to somewhere where there WERE Hebrew
>>> linguists, of course.
>
>>Possible, but how?
>
>>Military satellite communications were in their infancy and available
>>only to major fleet units.
>
>>So it's HF or line-of-sight...
>
> That's not so. The Navy was using some of the same technology the USAF
> was. The USAF could talk to bombers around the world at almost anytime.
Not bulk encrypted traffic containing multiple speech channels it wasn't.
truth...@nospam.net
Stop driveling and stating things you have no understanding of.
In <g6crda$19f$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/25/2008
William Black
<truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:yLmik.6$iM5.2@trnddc07...
>
>
> Stop driveling and stating things you have no understanding of.
>
Lack of any content noted.
Next lunatic please...
Fred J. McCall
:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
:news:m1ci841upa5p0lu4h...@4ax.com...
:> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
:> :
:> :The crew roster of NSA specialists on board USS Liberty is well known.
:> :
:> :There were no Hebrew linguists on board.
:> :
:> :They obviously had no real time communications or they wouldn't have had
:> all
:> :those problems when the attack came.
:> :
:>
:> The initial attack took their radios down.
:>
:> :So how exactly were they spying on Israeli operations?
:>
:> Intercept and retransmission to somewhere where there WERE Hebrew
:> linguists, of course.
:
:Possible, but how?
:
:Military satellite communications were in their infancy and available only
:to major fleet units.
:
:So it's HF or line-of-sight...
:
:HF means a vast bandwidth and everyone, including a deaf radio amateur in
:Seattle, have noticed,
:
:Line-of-sight opens up a whole new conspiracy...
:
:Nope, no bulk forwarding of traffic...
:
What you don't know will, well, make you say stupid things like the
preceding.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
truth...@nospam.net
You have proven that you do not want to learn. Now run along zionist.
6ctuc$lk9$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/25/2008
William Black
Well it's either that or tape.
For tape to matter in a tactical manner you'd have to prove a system
existed for forwarding the stuff to a place with the facilities to process
it within a reasonably fast timeframe , and so far nobody has done so.
Or perhaps the USA had a super secret system for beaming multiple voice
transmissions (encrypted, I don't imagine they'd send intercept material in
'clear') across the world from a small ship.
They've got a big dish at the back but it's not big enough for
troposcatter...
This is 1967 remember.
Liberty doesn't have a helicopter pad either, so maybe that nuclear sub the
loony tunes keep talking about popped up and took the bag of tapes to
Italy...
Or maybe it didn't and the loony tunes are just that and nothing more...
fla...@verizon.net
On 25-Jul-2008, "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> <truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:yLmik.6$iM5.2@trnddc07...
> >
> >
> > Stop driveling and stating things you have no understanding of.
> >
>
> Lack of any content noted.
>
Exceot for his uncanny ability to project his obvious flaws onto you.
Susan
> Next lunatic please...
Eli Grubman
>
>On 25-Jul-2008, "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> <truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:yLmik.6$iM5.2@trnddc07...
>> >
>> >
>> > Stop driveling and stating things you have no understanding of.
>> >
>>
>> Lack of any content noted.
>>
>Exceot (sic) for his uncanny ability to project his obvious flaws onto you.
>
>Susan
Ah, you mean the way you project your obvious illiteracy, you thick
Irish cunt?
Eli
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
ROTFLOL!
It' OBVIOUS: without this Susan and those few Jewish folks here on the
Usenet your sick "life" would have NO MEANING AT ALL!!!!
Give it a try, you thick psychopatic cunt: try to live without them for a
while! ROTFLOL
It's simply not possible for you! You'd DIE without them!
Buahahahahahaaaa...
B. H. Cramer
"The_Endeavor" <The_En...@NoEmailAddress.com> wrote in message
> Exactly it was a mistake.
It was no mistake, rearender.
B. H. Cramer
B. H. Cramer
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:lPqik.24$aA5.21@trnddc05...
"Exceot" again? Same as here:
<fla...@verizon.net>
> Exceot[sic], of course, that Americans killed Americans.
And you dare deny you're dyslexic.
B. H. Cramer
>
> "The_Endeavor" <The_En...@NoEmailAddress.com> wrote in message
>> In article <g68qgc$ren$1...@registered.motzarella.org>,
>> ma...@REMOVE.gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> <last_per...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b272ab64-9e9e-4496...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 23, 3:44 pm, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Exactly it was a mistake.
>>>
>>
>> Well your own article said it was a mistake. I was just quoting it. If
>> you disagree with that well it is because you do not read what you post?
>>
>> (a)
>> Mindless dribble is what you are good at.
>>
>>> from Israel's p.o.v. is that they were unable
>>> to sink the Liberty and kill all the crew, i.e. witnesses.
>>
>> As if a country like Israel could do such a thing? See (a) above.
>>
>
> Posting an article does not require total and full agreement with every
> word
> of it. The last time I checked we all have a right to dissent, and
> disagree
> with whatever we choose to disagree with.
Unless you're disagreeing with the yid stance. That's not kosher, yanno.
>You're an Islamophobe, and a
> pro-Zionist idiot. ...and a patent liar for the immoral state of Israel.
Eli Grubman
<grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, wrote:
<snip Grik retard's incoherent pidgin English rant>
Shabbat shalom, Pants! Yassou, malaga! Indulging in a little nym
shifting to avoid kiillfiles, what? LOL BIG mistake, you mongoloid
Grik a"h!
<EVBGVEGVBGEGVBGVBVG>
Eli
Eli Grubman
<psychograb...@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, writes:
Osric
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:g6a8ps$8os$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> <truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>><truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>><MPG.22f302799...@West.usenet-news.net>, on 07/24/2008
>>
>>>> ...Funny how they could do that to the ship that was reporting on their
>>>> bombing the Russian mission in Syria
>>
>>>How on earth could they do that with no Hebrew linguists on board?
>>
>>>Telepathy?
>>
>> Gee, you under-rate the capabilities of SPY ships. Oh I know, you always
>> believe what the government says, and refuse to think for yourself. They
>> were only listening in on radio talk, eh?
>>
>> Go go some homework on the capabilities of the US military and then come
>> back.
>>
>
>
> There were no Hebrew linguists on board.
No they were all back in Fort Meade where you'd expect to find Signals
Intelligence Linguists
--
Osric
THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
William Black
"Osric" <os...@nospambtinternet.com> wrote in message
news:D5qdnRpCcN3FmRbV...@bt.com...
How was the material forwarded?
This is 1967, and remember that they did carry Arab and Russian linguists.
Kosher Cunny
"B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh'r...@themoment.yo> wrote in message
news:SLWdnZa-ssEEIRfV...@giganews.com...
Oh, well I stand corrected; far be it for me to disagree with a Yid stance!
What was I thinking.! ;-)
Kosher Cunny
"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:mpeg84hl6konifj1k...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:54:52 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>
>>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>news:a90g84l4if7nb9euh...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:08:31 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:vpsf841fos2h74d9r...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:30:09 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ever heard of a one-trick pony?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, and your one trick is sucking jew ass.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eli
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You have quite a fixation on the rings around uranus.
>>>>Do you have problems w/latency?
>>>
>>> Are you totally lacking in self-respect, Duhg? You must be if you
>>> keep sucking jew ass.
>>>
>>> Eli
>>>
>>
>>Uranus must be your favorite planet!
>
> That's pretty lame, even for someone w/their head permanently stuck up
> the collective jew ass.
>
> Eli
>
Susan has a ring around her's..! ;-)
Kosher Cunny
Cohen's lack of any intelligence noted. She got a deep ass-fuck last night,
she's still out there in the ozone.
Eli Grubman
<ma...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>news:mpeg84hl6konifj1k...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:54:52 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a90g84l4if7nb9euh...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:08:31 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:vpsf841fos2h74d9r...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:30:09 -0700, "üDoug±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ever heard of a one-trick pony?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, and your one trick is sucking jew ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eli
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You have quite a fixation on the rings around uranus.
>>>>>Do you have problems w/latency?
>>>>
>>>> Are you totally lacking in self-respect, Duhg? You must be if you
>>>> keep sucking jew ass.
>>>>
>>>> Eli
>>>>
>>>
>>>Uranus must be your favorite planet!
>>
>> That's pretty lame, even for someone w/their head permanently stuck up
>> the collective jew ass.
>>
>> Eli
>>
>
>Susan has a ring around her's..! ;-)
I bet it's really sore today, too!
Eli
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
So, this IS your sort of "sex life" you are having here, dumb psycho
Grabmen:
fantasizing about other people's alleged sex lives and then you
letting yourself get fucked by everybody on the Usenet! LMAO!
Explains why you make such a dilapidated impression on everybody after
you've been practicing this your "life style" for OVER SIX YEARS on the
Usenet! LOL
--
üDoug±Ç about Eli Grabmen: "Eli's sexual identity crisis blooms again. Maybe
Eli is suffering from split personality disorder?"
Richard Casady
<os...@nospambtinternet.com> wrote:
>No they were all back in Fort Meade where you'd expect to find Signals
>Intelligence Linguists
When I was a discharge clerk at Charleston SC, in 1967, we got lots of
Russian language Voice Intercept Analysis Operators. They had been
stationed in Pakistan.
Casady
Kosher Cunny
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:Ux3ik.490$oU.94@trnddc07...
>
> On 24-Jul-2008, "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> The crew roster of NSA specialists on board USS Liberty is well known.
>>
>> There were no Hebrew linguists on board.
>>
>> all
>> those problems when the attack came.
>>
>
> it at one time, because it made sense - if the US was endangering
> Israeli soldiers by reporting troop movements, it would certainly have
> explained why Israel would have deliberately attacked US & why we
> would have saids *so quickly* "Yes, we agree it was an accident."
> The whole business w/the Chinese Embassy in Iraq getting bombed
> turned out to be just such a diplomatic comedy. But someone else
> disabused me of the notion by other means - however, your explanation
> makes even better sense; thanks for pointing it out.
>
> Susan
Suzy, have you also heard you are too stupid to understand the nuances of
why the US would not want Israel to attack Cairo in 1967, and what
necessitated the US to spy on Israel in the first place. You are clearly a
dumbkopft!
Kosher Cunny
<last_per...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e5e5f875-1130-413b...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 24, 6:36 am, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
wrote:
> In article <g68qgc$re...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> m...@REMOVE.gmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > <last_permutat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:b272ab64-9e9e-4496...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 23, 3:44 pm, The_Endeavor <The_Endea...@NoEmailAddress.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Exactly it was a mistake.
>
> > The only mistake
>
> Well your own article
I am not the OP, dimwit.
> (a)
> Mindless dribble is what you are good at.
>It's "drivel" dimwit.
> > from Israel's p.o.v. is that they were unable
> > to sink the Liberty and kill all the crew, i.e. witnesses.
>
> As if a country like Israel could do such a thing?
>Sure they could, and do. Israel has a war crime rap sheet
>about 6 million feet long. Ever hear of the dancing Israelis
>on 9-11, and Jonathan Pollard?
"The_Endeavor" has been drooling and dribbling since emerging from his
mommy's womb. He gets his history lessons from Suzy Cohen which explains the
massive ignorance.
Raymond O'Hara
>
> <truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:IJ1ik.481$oU.380@trnddc07...
>>
>>
>> In <g6a8ps$8os$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008
>> at 04:57 PM, "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>><truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>><g6a3b2$r0j$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/24/2008 > at 03:24 PM,
>>>"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> said: >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>news:kz%hk.534$5Q.204@trnddc06... > In
>>>>><MPG.22f302799...@West.usenet-news.net>, on 07/24/2008
>>>>
>>>>>> ...Funny how they could do that to the ship that was reporting on
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> bombing the Russian mission in Syria
>>>>
>>>>>How on earth could they do that with no Hebrew linguists on board?
>>>>
>>>>>Telepathy?
>>>>
>>>> Gee, you under-rate the capabilities of SPY ships. Oh I know, you
>>>> always
>>>> believe what the government says, and refuse to think for yourself.
>>>> They
>>>> were only listening in on radio talk, eh?
>>>>
>>>> Go go some homework on the capabilities of the US military and then
>>>> come
>>>> back.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>There were no Hebrew linguists on board.
>>
>>
>>
>>>They obviously had no real time communications or they wouldn't have had
>>>all those problems when the attack came.
>>
>
> So why didn't they communicate?
>
>>>So how exactly were they spying on Israeli operations?
>>
>>
>> military
>> and saw the capabilities first hand -- what was going on.
>
> Stop prevaricating.
>
> How did they do it?
>
> And don't try the old 'If I told you I'd have to shoot you' routine.
>
> Because so far nobody has ever indicated that USS Liberty had the capacity
> to pass real time intelligence or real time speech information. Without
> Hebrew linguists how did they know they weren't just collecting traffic
> from the Tel Aviv Taxi Company?
>
>
> --
> William Black
these liberty nuts are nuts.
but exactly how are you so sure there were no hebrew speakers on board?
we should have had assets ready to protect it, as they should have with the
pueblo but the government was willing to sacrifice a spy ship and its crew
rather than spark a major incident.
but it was over 40 years ago, it's time for these guys to let it go.
the crew knew the risks going in.
B. H. Cramer
"Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:KMadnfs37fbCOxbV...@rcn.net...
I see. The people murdered on the 'Liberty' by the yids have to be forgotten
because it's over 40 years ago. Why then do the yids trade so heavily on the
goddamned Holocaust(tm) bullshit which was over sixty years ago?
Something pongs here.
>
>
>
Eli Grubman
<grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, wrote:
<snip pathetic attempt at writing English>
Kalimera, Pants! Yassou, malaga! Have the Griks thanked you for
fucking up their newsgroup yet? They will - with a gang greeking!
<EFVGBGVTGVBEVGBVG>
Eli
Raymond O'Hara
"B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh'r...@themoment.yo> wrote in message
yeah and it involves you and your bigotry.
William Black
> but exactly how are you so sure there were no hebrew speakers on board?
There may have been people who spoke some Hebrew on board, we just don't
know.
But NSA pays people for being able to speak/understand languages and the
crew specialities have been published.
There were people in receipt of allowances for speaking Russian and Arabic,
but not Hebrew.
USS Liberty shipped no Hebrew linguists, which means that there were almost
certainly no Israeli targets.
William Black
> but exactly how are you so sure there were no hebrew speakers on board?
There may have been people who spoke some Hebrew on board, we just don't
William Black
"B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh'r...@themoment.yo> wrote in message
news:GsadnYfI37EQQRbV...@giganews.com...
> I see. The people murdered on the 'Liberty' by the yids have to be
> forgotten because it's over 40 years ago.
What exactly do you want?
The people who gave the orders are all long dead.
The men who carried them out were undoubtedly obeying legal orders given by
a legal superior with the right to give those orders.
Reparations have been paid, and accepted.
Apologies have been given, and accepted.
What more do you want?
Eli Grubman
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh'r...@themoment.yo> wrote in message
>news:GsadnYfI37EQQRbV...@giganews.com...
>
>> I see. The people murdered on the 'Liberty' by the yids have to be
>> forgotten because it's over 40 years ago.
>
>What exactly do you want?
>
>The people who gave the orders are all long dead.
>
>The men who carried them out were undoubtedly obeying legal orders given by
>a legal superior with the right to give those orders.
"Just obeying orders". That excuse didn't wash at Nuremberg.
Eli
truth...@nospam.net
Once again since you're so dense: You don't need people speaking Hebrew
to know what the Israeli aircraft just bombed.
In <g6hffg$kdg$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/27/2008
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, wrote:
Nobody AT ALL to talk to again, ALL DAY LONG, you hilarious psycho? Just
like over all those SIX YEARS, and EVERY DAY? LMAO!
And here everyone can see the same miserable retard again, right now posting
as Eli Grabmen, already fully retarded in 2002, stalking the same people
then and posting almost the identical garbage he keeps still posting today:
http://home.nyc.rr.com/cypherpunk/tiscali-kook.html
ROTFLOL
--
Rev. Richard Skull about Eli Grabmen: "Any sex act involving YOU is
bestiality."
Eli Grubman
LOL <grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, wrote:
<snip incoherent Grik pidgin English>
Kalimera, Pants! Ashamed of your bogus Grik name now? LOL
Never mind, you mongoloid Grik a"h, you can borrow mine!
<EVBGBVGBEVGBVG>
Eli
B. H. Cramer
>
> "B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh'r...@themoment.yo> wrote in message
> news:GsadnYfI37EQQRbV...@giganews.com...
>
>> I see. The people murdered on the 'Liberty' by the yids have to be
>> forgotten because it's over 40 years ago.
>
> What exactly do you want?
Justice.
>
> The people who gave the orders are all long dead.
Same with the Holocaust(tm)
>
> The men who carried them out were undoubtedly obeying legal orders given
> by a legal superior with the right to give those orders.
Nuremberg saw an end to that as an excuse.
>
> Reparations have been paid, and accepted.
Reparations, my arse.
>
> Apologies have been given, and accepted.
Yeah! Right!
>
> What more do you want?
For the world to see what a lying pack of arseholes the yids are.
William Black
Oh dear, another one who doesn't speak or has difficulty understanding
English.
The important word here is 'lawful'.
To engage a military vessel which in a war zone is lawful, until such time
as the vessel surrenders.
Or are you suggesting that USS Liberty surrendered?
William Black
<truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:VYZik.140$JH5.49@trnddc06...
>
>
> Once again since you're so dense: You don't need people speaking Hebrew
> to know what the Israeli aircraft just bombed.
So they were listening to the Israeli airforce...
You have some proof of this?
Because nobody else has...
William Black
"B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh'r...@themoment.yo> wrote in message
>
> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:g6hkju$fbk$2...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> "B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh'r...@themoment.yo> wrote in message
>> news:GsadnYfI37EQQRbV...@giganews.com...
>>
>>> I see. The people murdered on the 'Liberty' by the yids have to be
>>> forgotten because it's over 40 years ago.
>>
>> What exactly do you want?
>
> Justice.
>
>
>>
>> The people who gave the orders are all long dead.
>
> Same with the Holocaust(tm)
>>
>> The men who carried them out were undoubtedly obeying legal orders given
>> by a legal superior with the right to give those orders.
>
> Nuremberg saw an end to that as an excuse.
You're either a fool, or a poltroon or English is not your first language.
The orders were 'lawful'.
It is not an offence to attack a warship in a war zone unless it has
surrendered.
Had the USS Liberty surrendered?
>> Reparations have been paid, and accepted.
>
> Reparations, my arse.
You mean they weren't paid? And accepted by the US government?
>>
>> Apologies have been given, and accepted.
>
> Yeah! Right!
You mean they weren't offered? And accepted?
>> What more do you want?
>
> For the world to see what a lying pack of arseholes the yids are.
Ah...
That's a comment that stands alone for all to see...
Eli Grubman
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>news:tcpo84ljagggvbj4r...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:36:52 +0100, "William Black"
>> <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh'r...@themoment.yo> wrote in message
>>>news:GsadnYfI37EQQRbV...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>> I see. The people murdered on the 'Liberty' by the yids have to be
>>>> forgotten because it's over 40 years ago.
>>>
>>>What exactly do you want?
>>>
>>>The people who gave the orders are all long dead.
>>>
>>>The men who carried them out were undoubtedly obeying legal orders given
>>>by
>>>a legal superior with the right to give those orders.
>>
>> "Just obeying orders". That excuse didn't wash at Nuremberg.
>>
>
>Oh dear, another one who doesn't speak or has difficulty understanding
>English.
Oh dear, another jewlover with his tongue stuck up the collective jew
ass.
>The important word here is 'lawful'.
No, the important words are "obeying orders".
>To engage a military vessel which in a war zone is lawful, until such time
>as the vessel surrenders.
An "enemy military vessel".
>Or are you suggesting that USS Liberty surrendered?
Are you suggesting that the 'Israelis' considered the USS Liberty an
enemy vessel?
Eli
Raymond O'Hara
>>by
>>a legal superior with the right to give those orders.
>
> "Just obeying orders". That excuse didn't wash at Nuremberg.
>
> Eli
>
yeah? how many bomber pilots or tank commanders or u-boat commanders were on
trial at nuremberg?
this liberty crap is pure anti-semitism.
truth...@nospam.net
In <g6i05a$4go$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/27/2008
>"B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh'r...@themoment.yo> wrote in message
>news:84mdnV9VZ-3P5hHV...@giganews.com...
>>
>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:g6hkju$fbk$2...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> "B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh'r...@themoment.yo> wrote in message
>>> news:GsadnYfI37EQQRbV...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>> I see. The people murdered on the 'Liberty' by the yids have to be
>>>> forgotten because it's over 40 years ago.
>>>
>>> What exactly do you want?
>>
>> Justice.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The people who gave the orders are all long dead.
>>
>> Same with the Holocaust(tm)
>>>
>>> The men who carried them out were undoubtedly obeying legal orders given
>>> by a legal superior with the right to give those orders.
>>
>> Nuremberg saw an end to that as an excuse.
>You're either a fool, or a poltroon or English is not your first
>language.
>The orders were 'lawful'.
The Germans said that too. We hung the criminals anyway.
truth...@nospam.net
You're everlasting dense here. What makes you think they were listening
or had to listen to the israeli airforce to know what the israeli airforce
was doing!
We have been over this before, and your refusal to learn goes with your
other zionist bullshit.
In <g6hvu8$33u$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, on 07/27/2008
truth...@nospam.net
>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>news:tcpo84ljagggvbj4r...@4ax.com... > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008
>10:36:52 +0100, "William Black"
>> <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"B. H. Cramer" <Iyamh'r...@themoment.yo> wrote in message
>>>news:GsadnYfI37EQQRbV...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>> I see. The people murdered on the 'Liberty' by the yids have to be
>>>> forgotten because it's over 40 years ago.
>>>
>>>What exactly do you want?
>>>
>>>The people who gave the orders are all long dead.
>>>
>>>The men who carried them out were undoubtedly obeying legal orders given
>>>by
>>>a legal superior with the right to give those orders.
>>
>> "Just obeying orders". That excuse didn't wash at Nuremberg.
>>
>Oh dear, another one who doesn't speak or has difficulty understanding
>English.
>The important word here is 'lawful'.
>To engage a military vessel which in a war zone is lawful, until such
>time as the vessel surrenders.
Not when its flying the US flag. Now stop the zionist bullshit.