The Coming Socialist America
DoD
and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children
to play with good-thinking children growing up.
Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant
white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William
Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by
teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like
them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.
The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda
campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who
falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the
presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger
will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a
socialist America.
The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring
forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I
was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought
about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement.
The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to
bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia
and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those
innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and
suffering they helped create and walked away.
Those same leaders who were in the streets in the '60s are very powerful
today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our president,
and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is a good
example of that.
Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers who know
exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our freedom and our
democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus, who has
brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists from
establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us to an
example of patriotism at a time when we've almost forgotten who we are and
what is at stake.
If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years
ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to
the barbarism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated about his plans
for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true nature of our
enemies, there's not a cell in my body that can accept the idea that Mr.
Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and from Iran,
which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb. And while a
misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled
by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness
of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi prison camp is
an American legend.
Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been relieved of
his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in his need to
demean a fellow soldier and a true hero.
This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and
strong America. If we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through
a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be
weakened in every way.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=DBC0AFDF-1663-428B-B509-C65D65B14FA3
r...@back.road
What about the corporatist state being foisted on us now. How does it
feel to have a socialist policy where Globalist Business is unrestrained
and makes our laws and unilateral contracts and denies citizens access
to the courts in dealings with them. How about the devaluing of our
economy and our children's futures and the loss of our Republic and
Constitutional rule.
William Flax
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach
> and program our children. We also know how important it is for our
children
> to play with good-thinking children growing up.
> Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant
> white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William
> Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by
> teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like
> them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.
Obama is actually to the Left of Wright & Farrakhan, who put a greater
emphasis on taking personal responsibility than does Obama.
But to understand the real significance of the Obama phenomenon, see
http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/august.htm.
Frank Arthur
attacks on Obama. Before Obama went on his middle east trip you posted
a story that Obama would meet with Palestinians and protected by
terrorists. It turned out to be a blatant lie. Yet you posted the
story from an incredibly unreliable source.
Your hatred for Obama only reflects on your credibility which is
shakier than ever.
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Frank Arthur
"William Flax" <krtq...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> See Below:
>
> "DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1f0kk.7001$lU5....@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>> We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers
>> who teach
>> and program our children. We also know how important it is for our
> children
>> to play with good-thinking children growing up.
>> Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry,
>> militant
>> white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan,
>> William
>> Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected
>> by
>> teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we
>> become like
>> them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.
>
> Obama is actually to the Left of Wright & Farrakhan, who put a
> greater
> emphasis on taking personal responsibility than does Obama.
> But to understand the real significance of the Obama phenomenon, see
Is this the same William Flax who wrote:
"He does not cite any Constitutional bases for his political
stands--and yet
he has sworn, in the past to uphold and defend the Constitution of the
United States. While Ron Paul stands like a rock for the written
Constitution, Governor Huckabee no more demonstrates the integrity
required
by that oath than does Mrs. Clinton, Senator Obama, or Mayor Giuliani.
If
you really want a man of Faith--a man who understands the sacredness
of an
obligation witnessed before Almighty God, you should look more
carefully at
Ron Paul. He alone has demonstrated the Faith the Founding Fathers
expected, of those who would carry out the responsibilities of the
highest
office in America.
See http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/Paul3.htm
William Flax
Cincinnati, Ohio "
Al Nakba
> Jew haters used the same tactics against Jews as you are doing in your
> attacks on Obama. Before Obama went on his middle east trip you posted
> a story that Obama would meet with Palestinians and protected by
> terrorists. It turned out to be a blatant lie. Yet you posted the
> story from an incredibly unreliable source.
> Your hatred for Obama only reflects on your credibility which is
> shakier than ever.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
you are hysterical old lady,,
Osric
US. The US government has almost effectively nationalised the mortgage
market and has been using state intervention and taxpayers money to prop up
financial services institutions, by buying the bad debt they have created
for themselves with their own greed and financial slight of hand. THATS
socialism. Huge amounts of croney corporations either leeching off the
public purse like Haliburton, or others free to fuck up in the knowledge the
state will bail them out. US citizens may not have it, but its corporate
oligarchs are addicted to State Welfare and get free financial Health
Insurance as well.
--
Osric
THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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DoD
> Jew haters used the same tactics against Jews as you are doing in your
> attacks on Obama.
Bullshit.
> Before Obama went on his middle east trip you posted
> a story that Obama would meet with Palestinians and protected by
> terrorists.
Here is the original article....
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70124
>It turned out to be a blatant lie.
What was a lie, Frank?
>Yet you posted the
> story from an incredibly unreliable source.
WND? I think they take a lot of unnecessary liberties with their
stories, but a counterpunch they are not.
> Your hatred for Obama only reflects on your credibility which is
> shakier than ever.
I don't care if you think my credibility is down the drain. I have a
two mini missions in life....
a.) Make sure the truth is known about Israel
b.) Do my best to make sure the far left is exposed for the anti-
semites that they are.
I personally could care less what you think.
Herman Rubin
>DoD wrote:
................
>> This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united
>> and strong America. If we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live
>> through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our
>> country will be weakened in every way.
>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=DBC0AFDF-1663-428B-B509-C65D65B14FA3
>opinion!
>What about the corporatist state being foisted on us now. How does it
>feel to have a socialist policy where Globalist Business is unrestrained
>and makes our laws and unilateral contracts and denies citizens access
>to the courts in dealings with them. How about the devaluing of our
>economy and our children's futures and the loss of our Republic and
>Constitutional rule.
This is utter nonsense. It is the government hamstringing our
corporations in competition with foreign ones, and also controlling
90% of research and development in this country.
Unilateral contracts are not good, and would not be necessary if
reasonable rules can be set; bureaucrats are 99% either human robots
(going strictly by the book, with no imagination) or those who
believe they were put there to save people from themselves.
The Founding Fathers were VERY strongly against the government
running anything. Private space exploration must be in accord
with regulations from several government departments; if we let
those who believed in space to "do their thing" we would have
hundreds or thousands living and working in space.
Federal welfare, except for veterans, etc., should be strictly
prohibited, and measures to encourage dumbing down, such as
the attempts to have all children proceed through school at
even roughly the same rate via the public schools, should be
fought tooth and nail.
Any government strong enough to give you what you want is
strong enough to take it, and far more, away from you.
--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hru...@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
Herman Rubin
Frank Arthur <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
It might be. The Constitution has been modified so that
the country can be easily made socialist; it always could
have been.
Define "loyal American"; I see that one can easily be
socialist at this time. That socialism would greatly
weaken the country does not affect those who believe in
the equal distribution of wealth, except possibly for
sports figures and movie stars.
BTW, I disagree that Ron Paul is as clear a figure as
stated in the quoted article. The Founding Fathers
were not as naive about military matters as Ron Paul,
and realized that purely defensive wars could not be
a sustainable condition. The "shores of Tripoli" was
a military action, not a war declared by anyone, to
ensure American freedom; it destroyed the power of the
Barbary States.
Osric
"Herman Rubin" <hru...@odds.stat.purdue.edu> wrote in message
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Oh yes here we go another free-market anarchist, bleats on about welfare but
is entirely happy for corporations to have an IV into the public purse. Its
like listening to a Marxist, and I mean a proper one not one of those
imaginary beasts that can be found hiding in every shadow in the US. The
same blind ideological dogma. Too stupid to realise that freedom is not
freedom without the freedom not to be utterly dominated by the powerful. A
tyrannical plutocracy as odious as totalitarianism is the only outcome for
this ludicrously simplistic piece of dogma. Of course they'll still want
taxes for a police force which will have its hands full, and a judicial
system and an army, in fact all the tools of oppression that any
totalitarian regime posesses, and the exponentially wealthy and powerful
elite will increasingly need them to control the hopeless dumbed down drones
or perhaps more accurately villeins, as this is de facto feudalism. Make no
mistake, ultimately the grotesque imbalances of wealth and power that would
inevitably stem from such a disgraceful ideology could only ever be
sustained by force.
Avenger
Then they'll be no jew haters lol
They are degrading us by their prescence.
Frank Arthur
I call "loyal Americans" are the roughly half of the American
electorate who are considered Democrats and relatively Liberal.
Compared to the "just as loyal Americans" who consider themselves
Republican and relatively Conservative.
In general,most American adults are "flaming Liberals" when it comes
to driving and ignoring the legal speed limits. Most American "diehard
Conservatives" would not give up one inch of their Medicare or Social
Security benefits or their Food Stamps.
Don Ocean
What the Hell are you doing here Frank? Your a God Damned Zionist!
This is America.. You cannot serve 2 masters and we all know you serve
the greater Israeli goals of ruling over all. Not once have you ever
pronounced that America was your number one priority over Israel. You
are just another foreign agent here.
Don Ocean
What the Fuuu? Are y9ou on drugs or what?
>
> BTW, I disagree that Ron Paul is as clear a figure as
> stated in the quoted article. The Founding Fathers
> were not as naive about military matters as Ron Paul,
> and realized that purely defensive wars could not be
> a sustainable condition. The "shores of Tripoli" was
> a military action, not a war declared by anyone, to
> ensure American freedom; it destroyed the power of the
> Barbary States.
Bullshit! It was a reaction for Blackmailing us and sinking our ships.
We warned them that this activity was an act of war. It was not an
arbitrary action. Maybe you should reread your history a bit before you
masturbate your thoughts in this NG.
Semper Fidelis
>
>
B. H. Cramer
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The yids engineered socialism in the Jewnited States, fuckwit.
Boed...@isp.com
I might have known you didn't think of all those big words by
yourself, you merely copied
them from some other weirdo. As for "Socialism" who the hell do you
think gave socialism/communism to the world! It was the jew and it
didn't start with the jew Marx.
The jew has always espoused a communistic lifestyle, whether it was
the Polish jewess
Rosa Luxemberg and her Spartacus gang, the Hollyvood 10, Ethel and
Julius Rosenberg
and the rest of the Soviet spies during The Cold War. The CND in
Britain was later to be
found a Communist front organisation, the jew Blair was a member as
were all those
jews he put in his Cabinet. Jews were in charge of many Government
departments
in post-war Poland and the rest of the Warsaw Pact countries. I
suggest you read the names of all those who were called to testify
before the HCUA and those who were blacklisted
in Hollyvood for their lying to the committee about their Communist
Party membership.
As for Clarke - he's a jew you know, or perhaps you didn't.
As for the Iraq fiasco, Obama voted against it, McCain voted for it.
The only "victors"
in this debacle are those who, so far, have managed to stay alive,
while 1000's of other
men, women and children have died.
Any sign of all those WMD's yet?
Boed...@isp.com
> "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1f0kk.7001$lU5....@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>
> The yids engineered socialism in the Jewnited States, fuckwit.
The jew has always been "Socialist", they consider it part of their
religion.
They have more organisations than Lipton has tealeaves. The United
Way came around
to the company I worked for and wanted everyone to pledge part of
their pay every month
to them so that they could distribiute it to various organisations.
The money was to be
taken from their pay and sent directly to United Way. I read their
brochure and guess what,
in L.A.County whose jew population numbered around 2%, 60% of the
money was going
to jew organisations!! The idiot they sent around to do his spiel was
an employee
of Bank of America, founded by an Italian immigrant, but now, jew
owned and he couldn't
answer even one of my questions. One of the recipients was The
Jewish Federation,
which then sent it to Israel to build apartment buildings in Tel
Aviv!!
People are very naive when it comes to these so-called "Charities".
Very little of the money
reaches those who need it the most. By the time the salaries have been
paid and the
pensions and bonuses have been paid, there is little left. If you
want to help a certain
charity send the money direct to them and cut out the middle man.
Osric
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-----------------------------------------------------
No indeed it did not. You might like to try the English as the origins of
the earliest socialist movements, and you can't blame the Jews for that
because in 1649 when the Diggers took possession of St George's Hill and
demanded the end to private ownership of land, it was 7 years before
Cromwell allowed the Jews back into England. The socialist ideals that
gained popularity amongst Puritan England migrated across the Atlantic and
later resulted in the Third English Civil War also with its origins in a tax
revolt based on similar principles as the "Ship Money" tax revolt, otherwise
known as the American War of Independence, that led to such sentiments as"we
hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal" So if
you want to point the finger of blame for the origins of socialism, you can
start with the English in 1215 with the Magna Carta, you can continue with
the English in 1381 with the Peasants Revolt, and then you can continue with
the English in 1649 with the first Communist movement by the Diggers. So
congratulations Boudicca every time you look in the mirror you will see a
member of a proud socialist heritage.
--
Osric
THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
-----------------------------------------------------
Lazarus Cain
> On Jul 30, 12:07 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
>
> > Jew haters used the same tactics against Jews as you are doing in your
> > attacks on Obama.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> > Before Obama went on his middle east trip you posted
> > a story that Obama would meet with Palestinians and protected by
> > terrorists.
>
>
> >It turned out to be a blatant lie.
>
> What was a lie, Frank?
>
> >Yet you posted the
> > story from an incredibly unreliable source.
>
> WND? I think they take a lot of unnecessary liberties with their
> stories, but a counterpunch they are not.
>
> > Your hatred for Obama only reflects on your credibility which is
> > shakier than ever.
>
> I don't care if you think my credibility is down the drain. I have a
> two mini missions in life....
>
> a.) Make sure the truth is known about Israel
>
> b.) Do my best to make sure the far left is exposed for the anti-
> semites that they are.
>
> I personally could care less what you think.
Oh wonderful!
Still the same old crowd.
I must be getting senile as I have trouble identifying allies at
times.
Perhaps, it is just that we may have less differences than first
thought.
Yet, I vote against the credibility of DoD in favor of Mr Arthur's
credibility.
I still have this problem with the war mongers.
In general I find war mongering reason to be full of hate, promotes
use of military force to enforce arbitrary rules, and does not rely on
valid logic when justifying the position of authority. In a democracy
one can also conveniently exploit mass ignorance to obtain a desired
policy..
War mongering relies on inherent folk pshychology misperceptions which
have been passed down and taught from generation to generation as our
knowledge of good and evil which separates Mankind from GOD, or more
simply separates the common man from ideal mental health.
Freedom Jew
LApert
> Jew haters used the same tactics against Jews as you are doing in your
> attacks on Obama. Before Obama went on his middle east trip you posted
> a story that Obama would meet with Palestinians and protected by
> terrorists. It turned out to be a blatant lie. Yet you posted the
> story from an incredibly unreliable source.
> Your hatred for Obama only reflects on your credibility which is
> shakier than ever.
DoD, Even the Jews are sick and tired of your crap. Would you please
consider suicide?
Jewdas
Oh my? this post means that DOD and the Israeli Jews hate Obama.
Neither of them has ever been very receptive of Black folks. I am not
in Obama's favor either. But it certainly is not the venomous attack
that this jackass has posted. I want a reasonable ex military man in
that position. I also swant a man that is 100 % for America. To Hell
with fighting Israels wars and to Hell with destroying the American tax
payer ad Social Security to pay Israels bills. Israel has long lost its
right to exist. The Ancient Romans were very correct in their assessment
of this criminal bloodline. Poor old Hitler and Germany were destroyed
over these bastards
DoD wrote:
> We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who
> teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our
> children to play with good-thinking children growing up.
> Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant
> white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan,
> William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not
> affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that
> we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.
Hate rant deleted!
Jewdas
Translation: I personally could less think what you care.
A definite indicator of a flat lined Electroencephalograph.
Eli Grubman
wrote:
You are as obnoxious as they come, you jew asshole.
Eli
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, wrote:
You felt addressed, psycho Grabmen? He did refer to a "stupid cunt" indeed!
LMAO!
--
麯oug鼻 about Eli Grabmen: "If you want to be a woman Eli, they do have
operations for that sort of thing."
Eli Grubman
LOL <grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, aka Panta Rhei etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, wrote:
<snip usual Grik pidgin English>
Kalimera, Pants! Yassou, malaga! Well, you are going to get well
and truly greeked on these newsgroups on THE Usenet this week!
Enjoy already, you mongoloid Grik a"h! LOL
<EFGVBGEYGVBGVGBVGBG>
Eli
Freedom Jew
"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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rev eli trying to protect her whore/bitch........amusing.
mud...@sympatico.ca
Who is this dumb McCain? He killed hundred of innocent Vietnamese
people and became a HERO to you. What was the problem McCain had in
Vietnam? Did his mother come from Vietnam?
Americans have no guts to fight Russians and armed the Islamic
terrorists in Afghanistan. Why did not McCain bomb Moscow or Beijing
if he really wanted to fight communists?
McCain is qualified to be a killer like Radowan Karadic! he is not a
hero but a zero!
Bush is another criminal lier. Saudis did the 911 with help of the
Jewish criminals but Bush went to Iraq which had no part in 911. Now
this criminal McCain want to kill more in Iraq.
Where is the Weapons of Mass Destruction? Did your BRAVE soldiers find
it any where in Iraq? Liers and supporters of Liers like Mccain is a
cancer of Americans.
mud...@sympatico.ca
> What the Hell are you doing here Frank? Your a God Damned Zionist!
> This is America.. You cannot serve 2 masters and we all know you serve
> the greater Israeli goals of ruling over all. Not once have you ever
> pronounced that America was your number one priority over Israel. You
> are just another foreign agent here.
>
>
>
> Frank Arthur wrote:
> >news:h31kk.17662$89....@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >> See Below:- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
How many JEWS tell America first and Israel second?
Jews always tell Israel first, then America because American tax
payers give them six billion dollars free every year.
These Jews now question the PATRIOTISM of Obama who has no other
country as his First Country.
drahcir
the worst article by far I have ever seen from DoD. Absurd and
hysterical.
Eli Grubman
wrote:
Freedom jew asshole trying to masquerade as a human
being....hilarious!
Eli
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, wrote:
Aww, how cute! Poor psychopath Grabmen is PROJECTING again! LMAO!
--
麯oug鼻 about Eli Grabmen: "Eli's sexual identity crisis blooms again. Maybe
Eli is suffering from split personality disorder?"
Eli Grubman
LOL <grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, aka Panta Rhei etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, wrote:
<snip the Grik retard's attempted pidgin English>
So, Pants! This is how you spend your Sundays, you mongoloid Grik
a"h? LOL
<EGVGVVETGVBVGUYVGBVBVG>
Eli
B. H. Cramer
"drahcir" <sue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 30, 12:01 pm, "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote
>the worst article by far I have ever seen from DoD. Absurd and
>hysterical.
That's our doodoodumbkunt. He's too fucking stupid to read the content. He
simply surfs for convenient headlines.
Al Smith
> people and became a HERO to you. What was the problem McCain had in
> Vietnam? Did his mother come from Vietnam?
>
McCain's an asshole, check.
> Americans have no guts to fight Russians and armed the Islamic
> terrorists in Afghanistan. Why did not McCain bomb Moscow or Beijing
> if he really wanted to fight communists?
>
The United States only fights those it *believes* it can easily
defeat, check.
> McCain is qualified to be a killer like Radowan Karadic! he is not a
> hero but a zero!
>
McCain is unimportant, check.
> Bush is another criminal lier. Saudis did the 911 with help of the
> Jewish criminals but Bush went to Iraq which had no part in 911. Now
> this criminal McCain want to kill more in Iraq.
>
Bush is a lier, check.
> Where is the Weapons of Mass Destruction? Did your BRAVE soldiers find
> it any where in Iraq? Liers and supporters of Liers like Mccain is a
> cancer of Americans.
No weapons of mass destruction, check.
When you're right, you're right.
-Al-
Eli Grubman
wrote:
All the weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East are in
'Israel'.
Eli
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, wrote:
<BG> So what are you going to do about it, psycho Grabmen?
Answer: you will keep doing the ONLY thing you can do: making an ass of
yourself!
LMAO!
--
Rev. Richard Skull about Eli Grabmen: "Any sex act involving YOU is
bestiality."
Al Smith
> 'Israel'.
>
> Eli
Unless the USA has smuggled a few into Iraq, just to have handy in
case the shit hits the fan.
-Al-
Eli Grubman
wrote:
>> All the weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East are in
But then the USA would, if history is anything to go by, have to
smuggle an equivalent number into Eye-Ran!
Eli
DoD
> On Jul 30, 12:01 pm, "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> the worst article by far I have ever seen from DoD. Absurd and
> hysterical.
>
It was written by actor Jon Voight. Kinda night and day between him
and his tomb raider daughter.
I didn't like the writing style, but I did get some of the points that
he was trying to make. I listen more closely
to defectors like Jon. They know all about what the otherside wants. I
didn't see any hysteria coming from him at all.But then maybe that is
the difference from you coasters to us in the "flyover" country.
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, wrote:
You are the expert, psycho Grabmen! You are the expert! LMAO!
Jim F.
I think that Osric had it about right. The only kind of socialism
that we will likely see in the US anytime soon is corporate
socialism (i.e. socialism for the rich) in which the Federal
government bails out big business when things go wrong with it,
while continuing to subsidize all manner of industries (the oil industry
has been long a recipient of all kinds of Federal subsidies and
special taxbreaks and writeoffs). That is something
that's been going on for decades, under both parties,
and will continue to go on regardless of whether McCain
or Obama gets elected this November. The latest
bailouts of Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac are just the
recent examples. Be prepared for many more to follow
as big finance suffers more failures.
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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DoD
> I think that Osric had it about right.
And this is where I stop reading.
Jim F.
Why am I not surprised?
Jim F.
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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drref
How many JEWS tell America first and Israel second?
Jews always tell Israel first, then America because American tax
payers give them six billion dollars free every year.
These Jews now question the PATRIOTISM of Obama who has no other
country as his First Country.
another lie: the six billion free every year?? document it
Obama??? god forbid he becomes the president. And I say it as a military
Veteran, an american taxpayer, and a ZIONIST.
DoD
> Why am I not surprised?
There would not be a reason for you to be surprised.... Anyone that
pays even the slightest bit of attention here, knows that I have
zero tolerance for people like him.
I still wonder about your position WRT Israel. What would you (as a
Jew) would like to see done about Israel? You offer criticism but come
way short on solutions, or at least what you will share with me on
this forum. I am always curious about leftist Jews, such as yourself.
What do you *want*?
Al Smith
Naw, that's the Russians' job.
-Al-
Jim F.
Probably the most sensible thing that has been written
on the topic by a mainstream liberal intellectual is still
Tony Judt's 2003 New York Review of Books article,
"Israel: The Alternative." See:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16671
As Judt writes:
"Alternatively, Israel can continue to occupy "Samaria," "Judea," and Gaza,
whose Arab population-added to that of present-day Israel-will become
the demographic majority within five to eight years: in which case Israel
will be
either a Jewish state (with an ever-larger majority of unenfranchised
non-Jews)
or it will be a democracy. But logically it cannot be both. Alternatively,
Israel can
continue to occupy "Samaria," "Judea," and Gaza, whose Arab population-added
to that of present-day Israel-will become the demographic majority within
five to
eight years: in which case Israel will be either a Jewish state (with an
ever-larger majority
of unenfranchised non-Jews) or it will be a democracy. But logically it
cannot be both."
BTW it is ineteresting to note that Rabbi Meir Kahane used to make a not
dissimilar point concerning the implications of the demographic issue for
the
viability of Israeli democracy, although needless to say his proposed
solution
was rather different from Judt's.
The only thing that has kept the state of Israel going as a viable concern
is the fact that it is supported by the United States. Withdraw that
support then Israel has to come face to face with some uncomfortable
facts, like how to make peace with the Palestinians and with its neighbors.
In fact the problem goes deeper because the Zionist project of creating
a Jewish-dominated state in Palestine was only viable with the support
of the imperial powers and that such a state could only continue to
exist in that form with the continued backing of such powers.
This very point was made in Ze'ev Jabotinsky's prescient 1923 essay,
"The Iron Wall." Jabotinsky, as you undoubtedly know was the
intellectual father of Revisionist Zionism, and as his essay was
one of the more clearheaded and candid of the early Zionists.
See:
http://www.saveisrael.com/jabo/jabowall.htm
There he wrote:
"We can offer only two things: either money or political assistance or
both. But we can offer neither. Concerning money, it is ludicrous to think
we
could finance the development of Iraq or Saudi Arabia, when we do not
have enough for the Land of Israel. Ten times more illusionary is political
assistance for Arab political aspirations. Arab nationalism sets itself
the same aims as those set by Italian nationalism before 1870 and Polish
nationalism before 1918: unity and independence. These aspirations mean
the eradication of every trace of British influence in Egypt and Iraq, the
expulsion of the Italians from Libya, the removal of French domination
from Syria, Tunis, Algiers and Morocco. For us to support such a movement
would be suicide and treachery. If we disregard the fact that the Balfour
Declaration was signed by Britain, we cannot forget that France and Italy
also signed it. We cannot intrigue about removing Britain from the Suez
Canal and the Persian Gulf and the elimination of French and Italian
colonial rule over Arab territory. Such a double game cannot be
considered on any account."
"Any native people -- its all the same whether they are civilized or
savage -- views their country as their national home, of which they will
always be the complete masters. They will not voluntarily allow, not only
a new master, but even a new partner. And so it is for the Arabs.
Compromisers in our midst attempt to convince us that the Arabs are some
kind of fools
who can be tricked by a softened formulation of our goals, or a tribe of
money grubbers who will abandon their birth right to Palestine for
cultural and economic gains. I flatly reject this assessment of the
Palestinian
Arabs. Culturally they are 500 years behind us, spiritually they do not
have our endurance or our strength of will, but this exhausts all of the
internal differences. We can talk as much as we want about our good
intentions;
but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon
Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec
looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie. To think
that the Arabs will voluntarily consent to the realization of Zionism in
return for the cultural and economic benefits we can bestow on them is
infantile. This childish fantasy of our "Arabo-philes" comes from some kind
of
contempt for the Arab people, of some kind of unfounded view of this race as
a
rabble ready to be bribed in order to sell out their homeland for a railroad
network."
I think that Jabotinsky was quite right in his assessment and the events
of the past eighty-five years have only shown his analysis to have been
correct. Where he goes wrong is in his
faith in the continued viability of colonialism, and he clearly saw
Zionism as kind of colonialist project. The success of the Zionist project,
in his view, required the backing of the imperialist powers
(in his day, Jabotinsky spent much time, trying to cultivate
support from the British, then the Italians, and later the British
again).
Now a days, the US plays this sort of a role. Thus to support
Zionism, is to support imperialism and colonialism. That was
true in 1923 and it is true today.
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Al Smith
It seems obvious to me what Israel needs to do. Their population is
not keeping pace with that of the Arabs. Therefore, they must
increase the Jewish population in Israel, by instituting a massive
breeding program.
They probably won't wish to call it a breeding program, since that
may invite comparisons with the Nazi breeding program, designed to
create the Master Race. But since Jews consider themselves to be a
Master Race (Chosen People), the comparison is not that remote.
Of course, when they begin to increase their numbers through forced
breeding, they will need living space (what was the word the Germans
had for that?) and so they will probably need to build camps where
the Palestinian population can be concentrated, so that the Israeli
settlers can have access to lands formerly held by the Palestinians.
Perhaps the Palestinians in these camps can be made to do useful
labor, in return for a release allowing them to leave the camps
after a set number of years. They can be told that if they work for
Israel, their work will set them free.
-Al-
Eli Grubman
Eli Grubman
wrote:
Jimbo is not a jew, DoD. He's a shabbos goy like you.
HTH
Eli
DoD
I only read what you posted from the articles, because I was assuming
that those were the pertinent parts.
Ok.... so we now know what the problem is, in their, and presumably
your view. NOW, can we get back to what
I asked you? I know there is a problem and you know there is a
problem, although we have differing views on the exact nature and
cause and effect of this problem. WHAT do YOU propose for a solution?
an example....
I have a friend who is a non-Jew and not an anti-semite.. He didn't
understand why the Jews wanted Israel and proposed that the U.S. puts
all Jews in the mideast for a fast track citizenship to the United
States. What is YOUR solution to this *problem*.
If you would like me to critique the above of what you posted, I will
be more than happy to.
David
DoD
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:38:57 -0700 (PDT), DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com>
He has said multiple times that he has both a Jewish mother and
father. He has
never given me a reason to believe otherwise.
btw... you are a better shabbos goy than I could ever be.
Eli Grubman
LOL <grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, aka Panta Rhei etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, wrote:
<snip the Grik idiot's attempted pidgin English>
Kalimera, Pants! Call yourself a stalker, you mongoloid Grik idiot?
You can't even keep up with all my posts! Get your skata together,
you Grik a"h! LOL
<EBVGHGYGVBVGFGVBVG>
Eli
Eli Grubman
LOL <grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, aka Panta Rhei etc., etc. in
Eli Grubman
wrote:
>On Aug 3, 11:25 pm, Eli Grubman <eli.grub...@googlemail.com> wrote:
In which case, I stand corrected!
>btw... you are a better shabbos goy than I could ever be.
The jews don't seem to think so.
Eli
DoD
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:58:22 -0700 (PDT), DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 3, 11:25 pm, Eli Grubman <eli.grub...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:38:57 -0700 (PDT), DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Aug 3, 3:28 pm, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >> >> Why am I not surprised?
>
> >> >There would not be a reason for you to be surprised.... Anyone that
> >> >pays even the slightest bit of attention here, knows that I have
> >> >zero tolerance for people like him.
>
> >> >I still wonder about your position WRT Israel. What would you (as a
> >> >Jew) would like to see done about Israel? You offer criticism but come
> >> >way short on solutions, or at least what you will share with me on
> >> >this forum. I am always curious about leftist Jews, such as yourself.
> >> >What do you *want*?
>
> >> Jimbo is not a jew, DoD. He's a shabbos goy like you.
>
> >He has said multiple times that he has both a Jewish mother and
> >father. He has
> >never given me a reason to believe otherwise.
>
> In which case, I stand corrected!
>
> >btw... you are a better shabbos goy than I could ever be.
>
> The jews don't seem to think so.
How so?
Eli Grubman
wrote:
>On Aug 4, 12:44 am, Eli Grubman <eli.grub...@googlemail.com> wrote:
I don't think they like me. LOL
Eli
DoD
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:56:04 -0700 (PDT), DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com>
They just don't want to hear you. But you are more useful to them than
I could ever be.
Eli Grubman
wrote:
>On Aug 4, 1:11 am, Eli Grubman <eli.grub...@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that, DoD. Must try harder.
Eli
DoD
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:24:27 -0700 (PDT), DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com>
Well, don't let me slow you down...
Eli Grubman
wrote:
You bet, DoD! Onwards and upwards!
Eli
B. H. Cramer
>And this is where I stop reading.
Then stay stupid, stupid.
Eli Grubman
<fifth.h...@the.apocalypse> wrote:
>Well, how does that old saying go about how a prophet is treated by
>his own people?
"Crucify Him."
Eli
Eli Grubman
<fifth.h...@the.apocalypse> wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:25:54 -0400, Eli Grubman
>And blame the Romans afterwards.
Of course! It's always someone else's fault.
Eli
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, wrote:
Yeah, you hilarious, subnormal, projecting psycho: It's always your "Jews"
fault! Gee... how primitive can you still get!
And here everyone can see the same miserable retard again, right now posting
as Eli Grabmen, already fully retarded in 2002, stalking the same people
then and posting almost the identical garbage he keeps still posting today:
http://home.nyc.rr.com/cypherpunk/tiscali-kook.html
ROTFLOL
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
Desperately in need of some conversation, you hilarious, thick
psychopathic cunt? LOL
--
Rev. Richard Skull about Eli Grabmen: "Any sex act involving YOU is
bestiality."
mud...@sympatico.ca
You better contact your state department if you live in USA.
Eli Grubman
LOL <grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, aka Panta Rhei etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, wrote:
Attention!
Help!
LOL!
<snip Grik skata>
Kalimera, Pants! All set for another week of getting heavily greeked
on various newsgroups on THE Usenet? I hope you are! LOL
<EBVGVBVEUNBHBGVBVG>
Eli
Eli Grubman
LOL <grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, aka Panta Rhei etc., etc. in
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
various newsgroups, wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:29:52 +0200, Pants Rheitard, greeked Psychopath!
> LOL <grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, aka Panta Rhei etc., etc. in
>>various newsgroups, wrote:
>
> Attention!
> Help!
> LOL!
>
> <snip Grik skata>
>
> Kalimera, Pants! All set for another week of getting heavily greeked
> on various newsgroups on THE Usenet? I hope you are! LOL
> <EBVGVBVEUNBHBGVBVG>
>
> Eli
So angry today again, psycho Grabmen? LMAO!
We all LAUGH at you, you poor, miserable, suffering clown! LOL
Eli Grubman
LOL <grabmen....@andfound.invalid> wrote:
>Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Grik-hater, pervert
>and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, aka Panta Rhei etc., etc. in
>various newsgroups, wrote:
<snip illiterate Grik skata>
Do try to keep up, Pants! What kind of stalker are you anyway, you
mongoloid Grik a"h? LOL
<EGBHBGVGFTGVBVGRETGVGVG>
Eli
Jim F.
"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:lo5d9456j7tub1jeq...@4ax.com...
Eli is good for comic relief. Why do you think
he is allowed to post on the moderated group?
Jim F.
>
> Eli
>
Jim F.
I am halachically Jewish, since both of my parents were
Jewish. In terms of my own religious outlook, well
I am not religious. Rather my worldview can be
best described as a natualistic humanism
(see www.naturalism.org).
Jim F.
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jim F.
I am with Judt. I think the long run, the only
viable solution is one-state solution, that is
a bi-national secular state. What is currently
the most widely accepted solution, the two-state
solution, which in one form or another is the one
that is officially accepted by Israel, the PA and
most of the major Arab states, is basically DOA
(dead on arrival). The only kind of a separate
Palestinian state that Israel would be willing to accept
would one that would be so truncated, basically
consisting of more or less separate bantustans,
that would not be economically or politically viable.
I recognize that a single-state solution would not
be a utopia either. After decades of hostility, it
would take several generations at least for both
Jews and Palestinian Arabs to get over the bad
blood between them. It's perhaps a bad solution,
but the alternatives are even worse.
In the short run though, I don't expect to see
any kind of solution. The current status quo
works fine at least for the ruling political and
economic elites in Israel, and for that matter
also for the rulers of Egypt, Saudi Arabia,
Jordan. The US fights their wars for them,
and they get to reek in billions in US aid.
Why would they want to upset that apple
cart? Eventually though, the US could
tire of the situation and pull the plug on
Israel and scale back aid to the conservative
Arab regimes. At that point, just about
anything might happen.
Jim F.
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Eli Grubman
It seems I've become disallowed, Jimbo. Must have struck a jew nerve.
Eli
Eli Grubman
>
>I am halachically Jewish, since both of my parents were
>Jewish. In terms of my own religious outlook, well
>I am not religious. Rather my worldview can be
>best described as a natualistic humanism
>(see www.naturalism.org).
>
>Jim F.
If you are not religious, then "halacha" should mean jack shit to you.
Eli
DoD
> I am with Judt. I think the long run, the only
> viable solution is one-state solution,
That is a good solution for the Arabs, but what does that leave for
your
people... Seriously?
> that is a bi-national secular state.
Raise your hand here (anyone that is not an anti-semite) who
believes that the PalArabs would ever agree to a secular state,
bi-national or otherwise..
>What is currently
> the most widely accepted solution, the two-state
> solution, which in one form or another is the one
> that is officially accepted by Israel, the PA and
> most of the major Arab states, is basically DOA
> (dead on arrival).
Whose fault is that?
> The only kind of a separate
> Palestinian state that Israel would be willing to accept
> would one that would be so truncated, basically
> consisting of more or less separate bantustans,
> that would not be economically or politically viable.
Give me a succint answer as to why that would be the case,
*IF* the Arabs (PalArabs or otherwise) truely recognized Israel as a
sovereign Jewish state.
I can't wait to hear this.
<snip what is pretty obvious about generations of distrust and really
hate>
> The US fights their wars for them,
What?????? What wars has the U.S. fought for them?
> and they get to reek in billions in US aid.
> Why would they want to upset that apple
> cart?
Now that is pretty true except the fight wars for them...which
is pretty ludicrous....
> Eventually though, the US could
> tire of the situation and pull the plug on
> Israel and scale back aid to the conservative
> Arab regimes. At that point, just about
> anything might happen.
A *possible* slaughter of your people that would be
remniscent of WW2.... I just hope Israeli leaders are far
more vigilant than you that has dreams of Arabs hugging Jews
in the *holy land*...
I would sooner see the M.E. Jews get on a fast track to
citizenship in the U.S.
How could you be so inhumane to your own people? That just
freaking astonishes me... I couldn't imagine a Croat (to say the
least)
or even an Eskimo, or a Korean that would propose a bloodbath solution
for their own people, like you just did.. I am pretty pascifist as far
as Croats
go... But if someone asked me ponder a plan that would slaughter 5
million
of us? I would scheme that traitors demise like *right now*.... I just
don't get
you Jim.... I still like you... just because you are not one of us..
if you were a
Croat, I would hate you more than anything else.. IF you were a
generic gentile,
I would have a simple disliking for you.. Thank G-d I am not a
conservative Jew.
David
Boed...@isp.com
wrote:
> "drahcir" <sued...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:978453fc-c944-47ac...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 30, 12:01 pm, "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >the worst article by far I have ever seen from DoD. Absurd and
> >hysterical.
>
> That's our doodoodumbkunt. He's too fucking stupid to read the content. He
> simply surfs for convenient headlines.
You have to know the reason why doodoo is one of those daft
wannabes. He's a Croat
and in WW2 the Croats were allied with Germny against their fellow
Serbs. The Croats
aided Germany in the roundup of the jew and for some reason doodoo
feels guilty about it.
To that end he has turned race traitor just like those silly gentile
women who marry
jews and then think they are jewish. It is impossible to cure them
of their wannabe
disease, you can either sneer or laugh at it.
Boed...@isp.com
<grabmen.exami...@andfound.invalid> wrote:
> Eli Grabmen, the notorious rabid racist anti-Semite, Greek-hater, pervert
> and psychopath, aka dumb Rever'nerd, aka stalking fake Susan, etc., etc. in
>
>
>
>
>
> various newsgroups, wrote:
> > On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:59:04 GMT, Al Smith <inva...@address.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>> All the weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East are in
> >>> 'Israel'.
>
> >>> Eli
>
> >>Unless the USA has smuggled a few into Iraq, just to have handy in
> >>case the shit hits the fan.
>
> > But then the USA would, if history is anything to go by, have to
> > smuggle an equivalent number into Eye-Ran!
>
> > Eli
>
> You are the expert, psycho Grabmen! You are the expert! LMAO!
>
> --
> Rev. Richard Skull about Eli Grabmen: "Any sex act involving YOU is
> bestiality."
Did anyone ever tell you that you are as boring as watching paint
dry?
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Boed...@isp.com
> On Aug 3, 3:28 pm, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Why am I not surprised?
>
> There would not be a reason for you to be surprised.... Anyone that
> pays even the slightest bit of attention here, knows that I have
> zero tolerance for people like him.
>
> I still wonder about your position WRT Israel. What would you (as a
> Jew) would like to see done about Israel? You offer criticism but come
> way short on solutions, or at least what you will share with me on
> this forum. I am always curious about leftist Jews, such as yourself.
"Leftist jews"? Are there any other kind!! Who do you think
financed The Bolshevik Revolution
you daft little wannabe!!
Boed...@isp.com
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:04:46 +0100, Daniel Bernard
>
>
>
>
>
> <fifth.horse...@the.apocalypse> wrote:
> >On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:11:31 -0400, Eli Grubman
>
> >>On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:56:04 -0700 (PDT), DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com>
And let His blood be upon us and upon our children".
So be it.
>
> Eli- Hide quoted text -
Boed...@isp.com
wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:25:54 -0400, Eli Grubman
>
>
>
>
>
> <eli.grub...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:04:46 +0100, Daniel Bernard
> ><fifth.horse...@the.apocalypse> wrote:
>
> >>On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:11:31 -0400, Eli Grubman
>
> >>>On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:56:04 -0700 (PDT), DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com>
"I find no fault in this man".
Pilate, who left it up to the jew mob to make the decision.
"And let His blood be upon us and upon our children".
So be it.
> --
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Boed...@isp.com
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:04:55 -0400, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >I am halachically Jewish, since both of my parents were
> >Jewish. In terms of my own religious outlook, well
> >I am not religious. Rather my worldview can be
> >best described as a natualistic humanism
> >(seewww.naturalism.org).
>
> >Jim F.
>
> If you are not religious, then "halacha" should mean jack shit to you.
I have worked with jews who claim not to be religious. Most of them
claimed to be atheists.
However, I never failed to notice how many of them didn't show up for
work whenever a jew holiday came around. They always manged to get
paid for it though not forgetting they also
were absent at Christmas and got paid for *that* also. If a jew is a
communist one would
assume they are automatically atheist, so it's rather a surprise to
find that the jew traitors
Ethel and Julius Rosenberg not only had visists from rabbis but were
buried in a jew cemetary
with jewish religious rites. A jew is a jew is a jew and has nothing
to do with religion, it's
100% racial.
"Bury me next to Lorne Green".
Michael Landon the half jew - his father.
>
> Eli
>
>
>
> >"DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:2144cd83-894d-4dcb...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >On Aug 3, 11:25 pm, Eli Grubman <eli.grub...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:38:57 -0700 (PDT), DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Aug 3, 3:28 pm, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >> >> Why am I not surprised?
>
> >> >There would not be a reason for you to be surprised.... Anyone that
> >> >pays even the slightest bit of attention here, knows that I have
> >> >zero tolerance for people like him.
>
> >> >I still wonder about your position WRT Israel. What would you (as a
> >> >Jew) would like to see done about Israel? You offer criticism but come
> >> >way short on solutions, or at least what you will share with me on
> >> >this forum. I am always curious about leftist Jews, such as yourself.
> >> >What do you *want*?
>
> >> Jimbo is not a jew, DoD. He's a shabbos goy like you.
>
> >He has said multiple times that he has both a Jewish mother and
> >father. He has
> >never given me a reason to believe otherwise.
>
> >btw... you are a better shabbos goy than I could ever be.- Hide quoted text -
Freedom Jew
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:39:02 -0400, "Freedom Jew" <fre...@jew.com>>>news:kb999416ouvu6a9uv...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:02:10 -0400, "Freedom Jew" <fre...@jew.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><Boed...@isp.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:98d05940-636a-4d18...@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>On Jul 30, 9:01 am, "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers
>>>>> who
>>>>> teach
>>>>> and program our children. We also know how important it is for
>>>>> our
>>>>> children
>>>>> to play with good-thinking children growing up.
>>>>> Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry,
>>>>> militant
>>>>> white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis
>>>>> Farrakhan,
>>>>> William
>>>>> Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not
>>>>> affected
>>>>> by
>>>>> teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we
>>>>> become
>>>>> like
>>>>> them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a
>>>>> propaganda
>>>>> campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in
>>>>> a
>>>>> man who
>>>>> falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins
>>>>> the
>>>>> presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and
>>>>> Pfleger
>>>>> will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and
>>>>> help
>>>>> create a
>>>>> socialist America.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is
>>>>> to
>>>>> bring
>>>>> forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this
>>>>> process
>>>>> well. I
>>>>> was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was
>>>>> brought
>>>>> about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace
>>>>> movement.
>>>>> The radicals of that era were successful in giving the
>>>>> communists
>>>>> power to
>>>>> bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people
>>>>> in
>>>>> Cambodia
>>>>> and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the
>>>>> war
>>>>> to those
>>>>> innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the
>>>>> horror and
>>>>> suffering they helped create and walked away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those same leaders who were in the streets in the '60s are very
>>>>> powerful
>>>>> today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our
>>>>> president,
>>>>> and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is
>>>>> a
>>>>> good
>>>>> example of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers
>>>>> who
>>>>> know
>>>>> exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our
>>>>> freedom
>>>>> and our
>>>>> democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus,
>>>>> who
>>>>> has
>>>>> brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists
>>>>> from
>>>>> establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us
>>>>> to
>>>>> an
>>>>> example of patriotism at a time when we've almost forgotten who
>>>>> we
>>>>> are and
>>>>> what is at stake.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from
>>>>> Iraq
>>>>> years
>>>>> ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that
>>>>> country to
>>>>> the barbarism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated
>>>>> about
>>>>> his plans
>>>>> for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true
>>>>> nature of our
>>>>> enemies, there's not a cell in my body that can accept the idea
>>>>> that
>>>>> Mr.
>>>>> Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and
>>>>> from Iran,
>>>>> which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb.
>>>>> And
>>>>> while a
>>>>> misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media
>>>>> controlled
>>>>> by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack
>>>>> the
>>>>> greatness
>>>>> of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi
>>>>> prison
>>>>> camp is
>>>>> an American legend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been
>>>>> relieved of
>>>>> his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in
>>>>> his
>>>>> need to
>>>>> demean a fellow soldier and a true hero.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a
>>>>> united and
>>>>> strong America. If we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will
>>>>> live
>>>>> through
>>>>> a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our
>>>>> country
>>>>> will be
>>>>> weakened in every way.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=DBC0AFDF-1663-428...
>>>>
>>>>I might have known you didn't think of all those big words by
>>>>yourself, you merely copied
>>>>them from some other weirdo. As for "Socialism" who the hell do
>>>>you
>>>>think gave socialism/communism to the world! It was the jew and
>>>>it
>>>>didn't start with the jew Marx.
>>>>---
>>>>
>>>>You are as ignorant as they come, you stupid cunt.
>>>
>>> You are as obnoxious as they come, you jew asshole.
>>>
>>> Eli
>>
>>
>>rev eli trying to protect her whore/bitch........amusing.
>
> Freedom jew asshole trying to masquerade as a human
> being....hilarious!
>
> Eli
>
Senility gotten the best of you?
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Jim F.
> On Aug 4, 8:16 pm, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> I am with Judt. I think the long run, the only
>> viable solution is one-state solution,
>
> That is a good solution for the Arabs, but what does that leave for
> your
> people... Seriously?
I guess you could ask the same question of the
South African Boers and other white South
Africans. How did their agreement
to majority rule (which meant having a black led
government) benefit them? Why they should
they have agreed to such a thing? Ponder
that and you might understand where I
am coming from.
Well apprently it hasn't done serious harm
to most of them, at least not enought to
lead to a mass exodous of whites from
South African.
For that matter in the US you could
how the abolition of Jim Crow benefitted
white Southerners.
>
>> that is a bi-national secular state.
>
> Raise your hand here (anyone that is not an anti-semite) who
> believes that the PalArabs would ever agree to a secular state,
> bi-national or otherwise..
>
>>What is currently
>> the most widely accepted solution, the two-state
>> solution, which in one form or another is the one
>> that is officially accepted by Israel, the PA and
>> most of the major Arab states, is basically DOA
>> (dead on arrival).
>
> Whose fault is that?
There is plenty of blame to go around. The kind of
a separate Palestinian state that Israel is likely to
agree to would be so truncated and split up into
lots of separate pieces that it would little chance
of becoming economically and politically viable.
I think most Palestinians realize which is why they
haven't been overly enthusiastic about declaring
an independent state. On the other hand it
should also be acknowledged that Fatah which
is officially for the two-state solution hasn't
really pressed the issue, except rhetorically.
For one thing that would mean accepting the
responsibilities that would go along with governing
a state, and their record in that area is less than
inspiring. There is a reason why in a free election,
Fatah was beaten out by Hamas. And that is
because Hamas has a track record of being less
corrupt and more competent than Fatah (and
of course more militant in opposing Israel as well).
Hamas both out of power and in power has a history
of delivering services that actually meet the needs
of their constituents. Fatah never had much interest
in doing that sort of thing.
>
>> The only kind of a separate
>> Palestinian state that Israel would be willing to accept
>> would one that would be so truncated, basically
>> consisting of more or less separate bantustans,
>> that would not be economically or politically viable.
>
> Give me a succint answer as to why that would be the case,
> *IF* the Arabs (PalArabs or otherwise) truely recognized Israel as a
> sovereign Jewish state.
> I can't wait to hear this.
Let me turn that round. On what grounds do you think that
such a state could ever hope to be viable?
>
> <snip what is pretty obvious about generations of distrust and really
> hate>
>
>> The US fights their wars for them,
>
> What?????? What wars has the U.S. fought for them?
Keep in mind I am referrring here to the conservative
Arab regimes (i.e. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan)
as much as I am to Israel. It was in their interest that
back in 1991 that Saddam be driven out of
Kuwait. And it was in their interest too that
Saddam be toppled in 2003, and it is also
in their interest that the US contain Iran
and threaten it with possible attack.
That's what I am referring to.
>
>> and they get to reek in billions in US aid.
>> Why would they want to upset that apple
>> cart?
>
> Now that is pretty true except the fight wars for them...which
> is pretty ludicrous....
>
>> Eventually though, the US could
>> tire of the situation and pull the plug on
>> Israel and scale back aid to the conservative
>> Arab regimes. At that point, just about
>> anything might happen.
>
> A *possible* slaughter of your people that would be
> remniscent of WW2.... I just hope Israeli leaders are far
> more vigilant than you that has dreams of Arabs hugging Jews
> in the *holy land*...
The prospect might be just to concentrate people's
minds in Israel for them to come to their senses in
regards to the Palestinians. Anyway, the balance
of power is shifting in the Middle East. The
2006 war in Lebanon has had profound implications,
as I had predicted here on Usenet two years ago.
(You might recall all the Zionist spin doctors in
these newsgroups who
were at the time declaring the war to be a great victory
for Israel. Nobody now, least of all any Israelis believes
that sort of thing anymore, which is why that country
has been in such a funk ever since).
Israel is no longer seen as invincible and since much
of its power stemmed from the myth of invincibility
(which dated back to the 1967 war) that has necessarily
had some profound implications.
>
> I would sooner see the M.E. Jews get on a fast track to
> citizenship in the U.S.
That's fine with me. Actually right now many of the more
affluent Israelis keep in addition to their own country's passports,
a second passport, either from the US or the EU, "just in case."
The prospect that things may come apart for them is in the
back of the minds of lots of Israelis, whether they want to
admit to it or not.
>
> How could you be so inhumane to your own people?
Do you seriously believe that the current situation in
the Middle East can last forever? As I noted above,
the balance of power is gradually slipping away from
Israel (and from the US). Continued intrasingence over
time can and will lead to a great tragedy for my people.
Shutting my eyes and pretending that such a thing
cannot happen would be very inhumane, if that
should be the consequence.
> That just
> freaking astonishes me... I couldn't imagine a Croat (to say the
> least)
> or even an Eskimo, or a Korean that would propose a bloodbath solution
> for their own people, like you just did..
Well as a Croat, you must admit that the history of your people
in the last century, especially during the Second World War
has been less than edifying. And to think that one of the
first things that Croatia did after breaking away from
Yugoslavia was to honor the Ustashas who during
WW II engaged in genocide against both Serbs
and Jews.
> I am pretty pascifist as far
> as Croats
> go... But if someone asked me ponder a plan that would slaughter 5
> million
> of us? I would scheme that traitors demise like *right now*....
Yes, that Ustasha heritage. "Kill the traitors!"
Jim F.
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:04:55 -0400, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>I am halachically Jewish, since both of my parents were
>>Jewish. In terms of my own religious outlook, well
>>I am not religious. Rather my worldview can be
>>best described as a natualistic humanism
>>(see www.naturalism.org).
>>
>>Jim F.
>
> If you are not religious, then "halacha" should mean jack shit to you.
You're right about that but that is still, within the Jewish community,
the most widely accepted criteria for denoting who is a Jew
and who isn't that still effects me and lots of other Jews,
even if they are full-blown atheists.
Since you have been trolling these newsgroups for years
and years, you probably have heard about the controversy
within the Jewish community over the Reform movement's
pushing for recognizing patrilineality as a criterion of
Jewishness. Both Orthodox and Conservative Jews
reject this position, threating a possible schism within
the Jewish community as the number of people increase
who are recognized by the Reform movement to be Jews
but are not so recognized by Orthodox and Conservative Jews.
Jim F.
Eli Grubman
wrote:
Defective semitic genes got the better of you?
Eli
Eli Grubman
Even the jew who became a Cardinal in the RC Church had a jew funeral!
Eli
Eli Grubman
>
>"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>news:rqqf941hiuatphrln...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:04:55 -0400, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I am halachically Jewish, since both of my parents were
>>>Jewish. In terms of my own religious outlook, well
>>>I am not religious. Rather my worldview can be
>>>best described as a natualistic humanism
>>>(see www.naturalism.org).
>>>
>>>Jim F.
>>
>> If you are not religious, then "halacha" should mean jack shit to you.
>
>You're right about that but that is still, within the Jewish community,
>the most widely accepted criteria for denoting who is a Jew
>and who isn't that still effects me and lots of other Jews,
>even if they are full-blown atheists.
It's also incompatible with the universal laws of heredity.
>Since you have been trolling these newsgroups for years
>and years,
Excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!
> you probably have heard about the controversy
>within the Jewish community over the Reform movement's
>pushing for recognizing patrilineality as a criterion of
>Jewishness. Both Orthodox and Conservative Jews
>reject this position, threating a possible schism within
>the Jewish community as the number of people increase
>who are recognized by the Reform movement to be Jews
>but are not so recognized by Orthodox and Conservative Jews.
The Reform happen to have got it right. Ethnicity comes from both
parents.
Eli
DoD
> "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d7b22ffd-83d8-4069...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Aug 4, 8:16 pm, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >> I am with Judt. I think the long run, the only
> >> viable solution is one-state solution,
>
> > That is a good solution for the Arabs, but what does that leave for
> > your
> > people... Seriously?
>
> I guess you could ask the same question of the
> South African Boers and other white South
> Africans. How did their agreement
> to majority rule (which meant having a black led
> government) benefit them? Why they should
> they have agreed to such a thing? Ponder
> that and you might understand where I
> am coming from.
I did ponder that and I still don't see where you are
coming from. Surely you know that there is a different
mindset between the three seperate peoples??? Errr
Don't you?
> Well apprently it hasn't done serious harm
> to most of them, at least not enought to
> lead to a mass exodous of whites from
> South African.
Is that true? I have read that a lot of the white
farmers have been/are? terrorized to the hilt. And
no I did not read that off of some White Supremist website. It
was in a mainstream publication. I haven't kept up with
any of that though.
> For that matter in the US you could
> how the abolition of Jim Crow benefitted
> white Southerners.
Now that is extreme apples and oranges.
<cleanup snip>
> > Whose fault is that?
>
> There is plenty of blame to go around. The kind of
> a separate Palestinian state that Israel is likely to
> agree to would be so truncated and split up into
> lots of separate pieces that it would little chance
> of becoming economically and politically viable.
Look how Israel was supposed to look like... I don't believe that
a PalArab state would look as fragmented Israel was supposed
to look like.
> I think most Palestinians realize which is why they
> haven't been overly enthusiastic about declaring
> an independent state.
They won't like not getting the handouts.. They don't
want jobs. I wonder why you never opted to debate the
real expert, Hillel on this, when he was posting here.
> On the other hand it
> should also be acknowledged that Fatah which
> is officially for the two-state solution hasn't
> really pressed the issue, except rhetorically.
> For one thing that would mean accepting the
> responsibilities that would go along with governing
> a state, and their record in that area is less than
> inspiring.
You got that right.
>There is a reason why in a free election,
> Fatah was beaten out by Hamas. And that is
> because Hamas has a track record of being less
> corrupt and more competent than Fatah (and
> of course more militant in opposing Israel as well).
I buy more competent, but I don't buy less corrupt, but
that is just a gut feeling.
> Hamas both out of power and in power has a history
> of delivering services that actually meet the needs
> of their constituents. Fatah never had much interest
> in doing that sort of thing.
True that.
<another cleanup snip>
> Let me turn that round. On what grounds do you think that
> such a state could ever hope to be viable?
Eliyahu on the moderated board gave a great answer. It takes a
discipline
and a desire to make something of yourself. Those two qualities have
never
been demonstrated by PalArabs. Let me ask you this... Hillel posted
that
PalArabs are more like gangsters. Would you agree with that?
> > <snip what is pretty obvious about generations of distrust and really
> > hate>
>
> >> The US fights their wars for them,
>
> > What?????? What wars has the U.S. fought for them?
>
> Keep in mind I am referrring here to the conservative
> Arab regimes (i.e. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan)
> as much as I am to Israel. It was in their interest that
> back in 1991 that Saddam be driven out of
> Kuwait. And it was in their interest too that
> Saddam be toppled in 2003, and it is also
> in their interest that the US contain Iran
> and threaten it with possible attack.
> That's what I am referring to.
Ok... I thought you were heading into Ariel Sharon controls
the U.S. even though he is in a coma territrory... I should know
better than that with you.... Sorry. Yes, you make a lot of good
points there
<another cleanup snip>
> > A *possible* slaughter of your people that would be
> > remniscent of WW2.... I just hope Israeli leaders are far
> > more vigilant than you that has dreams of Arabs hugging Jews
> > in the *holy land*...
>
> The prospect might be just to concentrate people's
> minds in Israel for them to come to their senses in
> regards to the Palestinians. Anyway, the balance
> of power is shifting in the Middle East. The
> 2006 war in Lebanon has had profound implications,
> as I had predicted here on Usenet two years ago.
> (You might recall all the Zionist spin doctors in
> these newsgroups who
> were at the time declaring the war to be a great victory
> for Israel. Nobody now, least of all any Israelis believes
> that sort of thing anymore, which is why that country
> has been in such a funk ever since).
I don't recall that because we were too inundated with posts
from the anti-semites making Jews out to be either (excuse my French)
pussies
or brutal war criminals.... Same ole, same ole, around here. Just like
you
have 1/3 of the people claiming Jews are a Semitic race, 1/3 claiming
Jews are
a religion, and 1/3 claiming Jews are totally decended from Khazars
and a few
running around claiming Jews don't exist at all.
> Israel is no longer seen as invincible and since much
> of its power stemmed from the myth of invincibility
> (which dated back to the 1967 war) that has necessarily
> had some profound implications.
I don't see that. I see Israel much like the United States, someone
that is in
desperate need of a strong CONSERVATIVE leader. The Lebanon debacle
wouldn't have gone down in the manner that it did if Israel had good
leaders.
Well, maybe it would have still, but I don't see it happening again.
Sometimes
it is a good thing to get a kick in your complacency to remind
yourself of your
mortality. A bloody nose usually never kills anyone, but it is a good
reminder to
*go back to the gym*.
> > I would sooner see the M.E. Jews get on a fast track to
> > citizenship in the U.S.
>
> That's fine with me. Actually right now many of the more
> affluent Israelis keep in addition to their own country's passports,
> a second passport, either from the US or the EU, "just in case."
> The prospect that things may come apart for them is in the
> back of the minds of lots of Israelis, whether they want to
> admit to it or not.
I am sure that is true in some cases, but I know a lot of people (that
are not Israeli)
that holds dual passports.
> > How could you be so inhumane to your own people?
>
> Do you seriously believe that the current situation in
> the Middle East can last forever?
That, I don't believe, well at least tacitly don't believe as
it has gone on for this long. I have often said that Israel
needs to (excuse my French here again) either shit or
get off the pot.
> As I noted above,
> the balance of power is gradually slipping away from
> Israel (and from the US). Continued intrasingence over
> time can and will lead to a great tragedy for my people.
> Shutting my eyes and pretending that such a thing
> cannot happen would be very inhumane, if that
> should be the consequence.
That's the thing. I believe what you would like to see happen, would
accelerate that tragedy, even more than what is going on now.
> > That just
> > freaking astonishes me... I couldn't imagine a Croat (to say the
> > least)
> > or even an Eskimo, or a Korean that would propose a bloodbath solution
> > for their own people, like you just did..
>
> Well as a Croat, you must admit that the history of your people
> in the last century, especially during the Second World War
> has been less than edifying.
What people haven't had a less than edifying past? And know I am not
making excuses for Ustase.
> And to think that one of the
> first things that Croatia did after breaking away from
> Yugoslavia was to honor the Ustashas who during
> WW II engaged in genocide against both Serbs
> and Jews.
And Croats themselves.. But as I have pointed out to jgarbuz on more
than one occasion, at its height, there
were no more than 60k Ustasa. Most people did want a seperate Croat
state, and the main reason for that was
that they were tormented by the Serbs. Yugo, was a very schitzophrenic
area. You as an outsider wouldn't understand.
> > I am pretty pascifist as far
> > as Croats
> > go... But if someone asked me ponder a plan that would slaughter 5
> > million
> > of us? I would scheme that traitors demise like *right now*....
>
> Yes, that Ustasha heritage. "Kill the traitors!"
At no time in my life have I met another Croat, here or over there
that idolize Ustase... I know there are some out there
but there are (excuse my French for the third time) fuck ups in every
walk of life. Croats were also the target of them
bastards, and I am glad they are dead...
Back to the topic at hand... Here is a question I had WRT the Judt
article.
"Alternatively, Israel can continue to occupy "Samaria," "Judea," and
Gaza,
whose Arab population-added to that of present-day Israel-will become
the demographic majority within five to eight years: in which case
Israel
will be either a Jewish state (with an ever-larger majority of
unenfranchised
non-Jews) "
Why is Judt including Israel's Arab population here?
David
B. H. Cramer
<Boed...@isp.com> wrote in message
news:7832960d-46f5-4a23...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
He sure as hell is all of the above, Boedicia.
He's obviously down on his luck and desperate to "belong" anywhere. The yids
are his last chance.
B. H. Cramer
On Aug 5, 8:52 pm, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Well apprently it hasn't done serious harm
>> to most of them, at least not enought to
>> lead to a mass exodous of whites from
>> South African.
>Is that true? I have read that a lot of the white
>farmers have been/are? terrorized to the hilt.
That's Zimbabwe, you fucking retard.
B. H. Cramer
"Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:6fserpF...@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:rqqf941hiuatphrln...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:04:55 -0400, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I am halachically Jewish, since both of my parents were
>>>Jewish. In terms of my own religious outlook, well
>>>I am not religious. Rather my worldview can be
>>>best described as a natualistic humanism
>>>(see www.naturalism.org).
>>>
>>>Jim F.
>>
>> If you are not religious, then "halacha" should mean jack shit to you.
>
> You're right about that but that is still, within the Jewish community,
> the most widely accepted criteria for denoting who is a Jew
> and who isn't that still effects me and lots of other Jews,
> even if they are full-blown atheists.
>
> Since you have been trolling these newsgroups for years
> and years, you probably have heard about the controversy
> within the Jewish community over the Reform movement's
> pushing for recognizing patrilineality as a criterion of
> Jewishness.
Hahahahahahahahah.
Wannabe yids, like that cohen fuckwit, are at the leading edge of the fight.
She'd to ANYTHING to be declared a true yid.
It's not gonna happen though.
Boed...@isp.com
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:55:57 -0700 (PDT), "Boedi...@isp.com"
Really? Who was that? Not that it is surprsing since The Rosenbergs
also had a jew funeral
and they were Communists and atheists!! The city of Birmingam,
England had a
C.of E Bishop named Montefiore, He called himself a jew. It must be
obvious to all but the
braindead that being a jew is 100% blood related and has nothing to
do with religion.
"Come, let us go to our people".
Sister Edith Stein, a Catholic nun, who died in WW2.
Her "people" were the jews.
>
> Eli
>
>
>
> >> Eli
>
> >> >"DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:2144cd83-894d-4dcb...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> >On Aug 3, 11:25 pm, Eli Grubman <eli.grub...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:38:57 -0700 (PDT), DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Aug 3, 3:28 pm, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> Why am I not surprised?
>
> >> >> >There would not be a reason for you to be surprised.... Anyone that
> >> >> >pays even the slightest bit of attention here, knows that I have
> >> >> >zero tolerance for people like him.
>
> >> >> >I still wonder about your position WRT Israel. What would you (as a
> >> >> >Jew) would like to see done about Israel? You offer criticism but come
> >> >> >way short on solutions, or at least what you will share with me on
> >> >> >this forum. I am always curious about leftist Jews, such as yourself.
> >> >> >What do you *want*?
>
> >> >> Jimbo is not a jew, DoD. He's a shabbos goy like you.
>
> >> >He has said multiple times that he has both a Jewish mother and
> >> >father. He has
> >> >never given me a reason to believe otherwise.
>
> >> >btw... you are a better shabbos goy than I could ever be.- Hide quoted text -
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Osric
There would not be a reason for you to be surprised.... Anyone that
pays even the slightest bit of attention here, knows that I have
zero tolerance for people like him.
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Bullshit DoD, you happily engage in debate with self-confessed anti-semites,
you're just sore that you were exposed trying to palm off the crimes of your
ancestors on Bosnian Muslims and threw your toys out of the pram. You hide
from me out of moral and intellectual cowardice and shame, and everyone
knows it.
--
Osric
THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
Jim F.
> On Aug 5, 8:52 pm, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> "DoD" <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:d7b22ffd-83d8-4069...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Aug 4, 8:16 pm, "Jim F." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> >> I am with Judt. I think the long run, the only
>> >> viable solution is one-state solution,
>>
>> > That is a good solution for the Arabs, but what does that leave for
>> > your
>> > people... Seriously?
>>
>> I guess you could ask the same question of the
>> South African Boers and other white South
>> Africans. How did their agreement
>> to majority rule (which meant having a black led
>> government) benefit them? Why they should
>> they have agreed to such a thing? Ponder
>> that and you might understand where I
>> am coming from.
>
> I did ponder that and I still don't see where you are
> coming from. Surely you know that there is a different
> mindset between the three seperate peoples??? Errr
> Don't you?
Back during the days of the apartheid regime
in South Africa, the blacks were looked
upon by the whites there in much the same
way that Israelis look upon Palestinians
now a days. The South African whites
used to call the blacks, violent, "uncivilized" etc.
And there were the same things that if
majority rule was established in South
Africa, the whites would be targeted
for reprisals from the blacks.
By and large most of the things feared
never came to pass. And of course
we should keep in mind that up until
the end of apartheid, the ANC had
conducted a decades long guerilla
war against the apartheid regime.
>
>> Well apprently it hasn't done serious harm
>> to most of them, at least not enought to
>> lead to a mass exodous of whites from
>> South African.
>
> Is that true? I have read that a lot of the white
> farmers have been/are? terrorized to the hilt. And
> no I did not read that off of some White Supremist website. It
> was in a mainstream publication. I haven't kept up with
> any of that though.
That's much more of a problen in Zimbabwe than
South Africa. Most of the white farmers
seem to be doing fine.
>
>> For that matter in the US you could
>> how the abolition of Jim Crow benefitted
>> white Southerners.
>
> Now that is extreme apples and oranges.
Not really, you had the same kinds of
fears on the part of the Southern whites,
which was that the blacks would
go ahead and take vengence upon
the whites.
Let me Palestinian Arabs are gangsters, in South Africa, the whites
there said that the blacks are gangsters, the same thing is said in
the US about blacks by white racists. I think I see a pattern here,
which is that when one group oppresses another group, the oppressors
feel a strong need to demonize the people they are oppressing, so that
whenever a member of the oppressed group ever does something
wrong or displays any sort of shortcoming, that is used to smear
the entire group. That's just as much to enable the oppressors to
live with their own consciences as it is to attempt to convince the
oppressed and the rest of the world, that the oppressed group
is inferior in some way.
Now who would that be? I guess that would be Netanyahu.
He has been prime minister before. The last time around,
a lot of people on the Israeli right started pining for, guessed
it, Ariel Sharon to be prime minister, as their alternative to
Netanyahu. They got their wish and we have seen how
that worked out. Well, they probably will be getting
Netanyahu again. After they will starting pining for
God knows to replace him.
> The Lebanon debacle
> wouldn't have gone down in the manner that it did if Israel had good
> leaders.
If they had good leaders, they probably never would
invaded Lebanon in the first place. There were, after all,
reason why Israel had withdrawn from most of souther
Lebanon in 2000. Anyway, that war was both ill conceived
and was poorly executed. One of the things that it showed
was how much the IDF had been degraded over the
years because the bulk of the fighting they had been
doing were against Palestinian fighters, who were in
the main, poorly armed and equipped, poorly
disciplined, and poorly lead. In Lebanon in 2006,
the IDF came up against a force that was none of
those things. This time around, the Israelis were
the ones that appeared to be poorly disciplined.
One telling fact was many of the reservists who
were mobilized brought their mobile phones with
them to keep in contact with their families. I suppose
that was nice. Hezbollah seems to have thought so
too, since they were able to monitor the wireless
communications of the reservists with their family
and friends, and so glean important intelligence.
Since Hezbollah was largely armed, equipped,
and trained by the Iranians, that is suggestive
that in a fight between Israel and Iran, the
Iranians might not embarass themselves.
Presumably, because he believes that as the Arab population
in the the occupied territories becomes larger, the Israeli
Arabs will identify more and more with their "brothers"
in the territories. I am sure that he is right about that.
People here like Jack G., I think would concur, although
he would propose quite a different solution than the one
Judt advocates.
Jim F.
>
> David