Deception has always been the Arab game, a trait carried to excess by
PalArabs. But not only PalArabs, of course.
"I persuaded them to talk by using the oldest reporter's trick in the
book--pretending to know more than I did." Alan Hart, Arafat: a
Political Biography (1984), p 223
>Netanyahu is not stupid. He knows that some of us know he is not
>remotely interested in peace on terms the Palestinians could accept.
Acceptable peace terms to Pallies: the eradication of Israel, and the
return of Jews to dhimmitude.
>On 18 November President Obama himself expressed his dismay at Israel’s
>decision to approve 900 more housing units in East Jerusalem. He said it
>could lead to a "dangerous situation"because it made it harder for
>Israel to make peace in the region and "embitters the Palestinians."
>Eight days later the Obama administration says Netanyahu’s new offer,
>which stresses that there will be no restrictions, not even temporary
>ones, on new settlement development in East Jerusalem, will help "move
>forward" peace efforts.
>What nonsense. It seems to me that the Obama administration doesn’t know
>whether it’s coming or going on the matter of how to deal with Netanyahu.
That's often the reaction when one performs as one has promised.
That's what Netanyahu did and, the Pallies being congenital liars, the
response baffles them.
>The response of senior Palestinian legislator Mustafa Barghouti was much
>more in tune with reality. "What Netanyahu announced today is one of his
>biggest attempts at deception in his history."
What's deceptive about it? Rabin announced the same, and proceeded
accordingly. Netanyahu announced his intentions, and proceeded
according to his announcement. Only Pallies and their idiot supporters
would find that a "deception".
>It is, of course, a deception but nobody should be surprised.
QED.
>Not only
>has deception always been the name of Zionism’s game, it knows no other.
Let us see:
>Its very first mission statement way back in 1897 was a deception. The
>previous year Zionism’s founding father, Theodore Herzl, had written and
>published Der Judenstaat, The Jewish State. It opened with these words:
>"The Jews who will it shall have a state of their own."
Opening lines of Der Juden-Staat (The Jew-State) - Preface:
"The idea which I have developed in this pamphlet is a very old one:
it is the restoration of the Jewish State.
"The world resounds with outcries against the Jews, and these outcries
have awakened the slumbering idea."
Opening line of Der Juden-Staat (The Jew-State) – Chapter I.
Introduction:
"It is astonishing how little insight into the science of economics
many of the men who move in the midst of active life possess."
And FWIW, opening lines of Der Juden-Staat (The Jew-State) – Chapter
II. The Jewish Question:
"No one can deny the gravity of the situation of the Jews. Wherever
they live in perceptible numbers, they are more or less persecuted.
Their equality before the law, granted by statute, has become
practically a dead letter. They are debarred from filling even
moderately high positions, either in the army, or in any public or
private capacity. And attempts are made to thrust them out of business
also"
>But as all of
>Zionism’s founding fathers gathered for their first Congress at Basel in
>Switzerland, Herzl was among the first to appreciate the need to drop
>the word state from all public policy pronouncements.
Herzl's phrase "Jewish state"was changed by a committee under Max
Nordau to "home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under
public law", which was submitted to the first Zionist Congress on 30
August 1897. It was a compromise formula. The final version, the Basle
Programme, stated: "Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people
a publicly and legally assured home in Palestine for the Jewish
people."
>Thus it was that the first Congress of the World Zionist Organisation
At the time of the First Zionist Congress, the World Zionist
Organisation didn't exist.
>ended with a public statement that declared Zionism’s mission to be the
>striving "to create for the Jewish people a home in Palestine secured by
>public law."
That "public statement", known as the Basle Programme, set forth
Zionism's goals and was adopted by the first Zionist Congress 31
August 1897:
"Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a
publicly and legally assured home in Palestine. [NB: In Der Juden-
Staat, Herzl proposed either Palestine or Argentina.] For the
attainment of this purpose, the Congress considers the following means
serviceable:
"1. The promotion of the settlement of Jewish
agriculturists, artisans, and tradesmen in Palestine.
"2. The federation of all Jews into local or general groups,
according to the laws of the various countries.
"3. The strengthening of the Jewish feeling and
consciousness.
"4. Preparatory steps for the attainment of those
governmental grants which are necessary to the achievement of the
Zionist purpose."
>The difference between "home"and "state"was great.
The compromise was adopted to avoid unpleasant repercussions from the
Sublime Porte against Jewish subjects of the Ottoman Empire.
>State would have signalled that what Zionism wanted (and was ruthlessly
>determined to get) was a sovereign entity, by definition one with full
>state powers backed by its own military. In other words, a sovereign,
>fully independent Jewish state would be one that could pose a threat to
>the rights and possibly even the existence of the Arabs of Palestine.
>At
>the time Zionism didn’t want the world, including most Jews of the
>world, to know that.
rotflol
>Home was a much softer, less disturbing term. It implied, and for
>propaganda purposes could be asserted to mean, that Zionism would be
>prepared to settle for an entity without sovereign powers and which
>therefore would not and could pose any kind of threat to the Arabs.
What concerned the First Zionist Congress was the reaction of the
Sublime Porte. The Arabs of Palestine were so backwards and
unimportant they weren't even on the radar.
>The proof that Zionism’s founding father knew the substitution of "home"
>for "state"in the first mission statement was a deception is in his
>diary, which was not published (was kept secret) for 63 years.
"Secret", that is, if you discount the first three-volume edition
published in 1922, and edited by a committee which included Herzl's
son, his literary executor, and Martin Buber.
>Herzl’s
>entry for 3 September 1897, as published in 1960, included this:
>
>Were I to sum up the Basel Congress in a word - which I shall guard
>against pronouncing publicly - it would be this: At Basel I founded the
>Jewish state... Perhaps in five years, and certainly 50, everyone will
>know it... At Basel then, I created this abstraction which, as such, is
>invisible to the vast majority of people.
What Herzl wrote 3rd September 1897:
"If I were to sum up the Congress in a word – which I shall take care
not to publish – it would be this: At Basle I founded the Jewish
State. If I said this out loud today I would be greeted by universal
laughter. In five years perhaps, and certainly in fifty years,
everyone will perceive it. The foundation of a state lies in the will
of the people for a state. . . . Territory is only the material basis:
the state, even when it possesses territory, is always something
abstract. . . . At Basel, then, I created this abstraction which, as
such, is invisible to the vast majority of people--and with minimal
means. I gradually worked the people into the mood for a state and
made them feel that they were its National Assembly. Today the
Presidium of the Zionist Congress is nothing at all; we still have to
set up everything."
Diaries of Theodor Herzl, ed. Raphael Patai, tr Marvin Lowenthal
(1960), p 581
What Herzl wrote 6th June 1895:
"No one ever thought of looking for the Promised Land where it
actually is--and yet it lies so near. This is where it is: within
ourselves."
Diaries, ibid, p 105
>It wasn’t only the Arabs and the major powers Zionism didn’t want to
>scare by using the term state. All of its founding fathers were fully
>aware that most informed and thoughtful Jews everywhere were opposed to
>the idea of creating a sovereign Jewish state in the Arab heartland.
rotl
What "Arab heartland"? "Palestine"was then a part of the Ottoman
Empire, and had been for over four centuries. There were Arab fellahin
in Ottoman Palestine, along with Europeans, Turks, Egyptians
transplanted there by the Khedive during his occupation, Circassians,
Druze, but none of them had any conception of "Palestine"as a country.
The "Arab heartland"was in Arabia. The Arab nationalists who came
after the Zionists focussed on Egypt, Syria, and Mesopotamia, not on
Ottoman Palestine, which was, for them, irrelevant.
>Alan Hart has been engaged with events in the Middle East and their
>global consequences and terrifying implications – the possibility of a
>Clash of Civilisations, Judeo-Christian v Islamic, and, along the way,
>another great turning against the Jews – for nearly 40 years...
Mostly Hart was a correspondent for ITN's News AtTen and the BBC's
Panorama programme. In 1984, Hart wrote "Arafat: Terrorist or
Peacemaker?" in which he regurgitated all the bilge Arafat was pumping
out about himself back then.
And here I'd been thinking of "Alan Hart" as something like the famous
director Alan Smithee.
One part I liked was Hart's take on the 1978 Camp David accords.
Evidently, per Hart (via Arafat), the peace between Israel and Egypt
was supposed to provide for autonomy for West Bank and Gaza Strip
Arabs. But, alas, Begin ignored that provision. "This was the
beginning of Israel's Final Solution of the Palestinian problem,"Hart
wrote, quoting Arafat. "What happened in the summer of 1982 when
Sharon came all the way to Beirut to finish us started here [at Camp
David] one month after Sadat signed his separate peace. What was the
Israeli strategy when they started their final offensive in April of
1979? I will tell you. Their purpose was not simply to terrorize and
kill, their main objective by terrorizing and killing was to turn the
people of the Lebanon, Christians and Moslems against my Palestinian
people."p 438
Naturally, there's not a breath of the Palestine Arab massacres of
Christian Lebanese civilians which might have had something to do with
turning Lebanese Christians against the Eyptian Arafat's "Palestinian
people", and certainly nothing of the .September 1970 Jordanian 'Final
Solution' to Jordan's "Palestinian problem", or of Arafat's flight
therefrom.
Come to think of it, maybe "Alan Hart" really is something like Alan
Smithee.
I recommend Alan Hart's "Arafat, a political biography" (1984);
originally titled "Arafat: Terrorist or Peacemaker?" It's quite a
comedy, and not only of a reporter pretending to know more than he
knows.
From Hart's bio on Arafat:
"Israel's de facto borders were established by the fighting of 1948-9
which came to an end with a series of Amistice Agreements." p 221
Obviously, this is Hart using that "oldest reporter's trick" of
pretending to know more than he knows. And it's clear he doesn't know
that armistices don't establish borders.
"Seven years later [1974] Arafat was the leader of those who were
cautiously advocating and trying to sell the idea of a political and
compromise settlement with Israel--a settlement which the majority of
the Palestinians in the occupied territories would have accepted in
the second half of 1967." p 250
"From 1973, and really since 1967, the Arab states which mattered had
not only been willing to make a pace with Israel, they were desperate
for peace." p 431
Hart doesn't mention the "no's" of the 1967 Khartoum Summit. Obviously
he feels it was as unserious as the 1980 Fatah resolution calling for
Israel's liquidation:
"Though the Arab leaders who met at Khartoum had rejected negotiations
and peace with Israel, Arafat knew there was a world of difference
between their publicly stated opinions and their private ones. The
Arab leaders who mattered would make a peace with Israel as soon as
they obtained a deal with they could present to their peoples as being
something less than a total surrender." p 254
"In May 1980, Fatah's Congress produced a first draft resolution
calling for Israel's liquidation. It was not a serious resolution. "
p 442
Hart on Arafat the peacemaker:
"By 1979 Yasser Arafat had done the maximum possible on his side to
prepare the ground for a compromise settlement with Israel. He had
persuaded his people to make peace with the Jewish State while it
retained seventy percent of their homeland. And Arafat was free to
negotiate openly on that basis after the 1979 P.N.C. gave him a
mandate to do so. Arafat's credibility with his own Palestinian people
[sic] depends, and has depended since 1974, on his ability to deliver
something concrete through political means, to prove that compromise
can get results." p 442
Hart's version of events leading to the Six Day War is simply too
funny to recount. Suffice to say it was all the result of deception
and manuvering on the part of Rabin and his evil henchJews, who
provoked the peaceful Arab states into falsely belligerent postures,
then proceeded to deceive the world (i.e., the Four Powers) about the
Arabs' belligerent postures. Hart also hinted at a surprising Israeli
collaborator:
"I am not at liberty to name the Palestinian and other Arab military
leaders who told me what they know about Syrians' collusion with
Israel in the countdown to the Six-Day War; they are too frightened to
say in public what they know to be the truth." p 223
rotfl
I'll just bet they are.
Deborah
> I'll just bet they are.
>
> Deborah
Hi Deborah
Which part of the world do you live in?
You have been well coached in the "ZIONIST MADRESSA OF LIES."
It probably started in Kindergarden.
I presume your daily reading material includes MEMRI
I have noted that a Muslim kid will memorize the Koran in their Madressas.
A Fanatical Zionist (Jewish Jihadi) will memorise ZIONIST LIES.
These Middle Eastern scriptures have really mentally screwed up its devout
followers both Muslims and Jews. The Christians have succeeded in unscrewing
themselves after 1000 years.
I hope that you can find a sympathetic psychiatrist when the DNA based
ethnic cleansing human engineering experiment collapses.
ES
I see you ran into your usual trouble with facts.
Deborah
If you intend to change the discussion from "Deception Has Always Been The
Name Of Zionism’s Game" to "Palestinian lies" then please change the topic
to reflect this change.
--
“Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man’s nature, there is
not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. … If the Jews are rich [these
fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
his own land, he is prevented from doing so.”
Lloyd George
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:56:23 -0800 (PST), dsharavi wrote:
> > I see you ran into your usual trouble with facts.
> > Deborah
On Nov 28, 8:36 pm, Honest truth <Honest_tr...@Wisdom.net> wrote:
> If you intend to change the discussion from "Deception Has Always Been The
> Name Of Zionism’s Game" to "Palestinian lies" then please change the topic
> to reflect this change.
Would it have changed "Student's" inability to respond to the facts as
set forth in opposition to his borrowed bullshit? I doubt it.
Deborah
No but it makes the topic relevant to the discussion and stops misleading
others into thinking that it is about something else.
>Deception has always been the Arab game, a trait carried to excess by
>PalArabs. But not only PalArabs, of course.
Exactly. A Jew organisation uses the motto "By deception, though shalt do
war."
Define "fact."
I am not seeing any such thing as facts coming from you. Just hatred,
bleating, lying and apology.
Correction: the old motto of the Israeli Mossad, an agency of the
Israeli govenrment, not a "Jew organisation", was "By wise counsel you
shall wage your war" (Proverbs 24,6). The Mosad's new, and presumably
kinder and gentler motto, is: "Where no counsel is, the people fall,
but in the abundance of counselors there is safety." (Proverbs 11,
14).
Deborah
> "dsharavi" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >I see you ran into your usual trouble with facts.
On Nov 29, 4:23 pm, "Aaronovich" <aaronov...@home.com> wrote:
> Define "fact."
Since you're either incapable of looking it up yourself, or too lazy,
here it is, take your pick:
* a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events
that have occurred; "first you must collect all the facts of the case"
* a statement or assertion of verified information about something
that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument with an
impressive array of facts"
* an event known to have happened or something known to have
existed; "your fears have no basis in fact"; "how much of the story is
fact and how much fiction is hard to tell"
* a concept whose truth can be proved; "scientific hypotheses are
not facts"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
* In law, a question of fact (also known as a point of fact) is a
question which must be answered by reference to facts and evidence,
and inferences arising from those facts. Such a question is distinct
from a question of law, which must be answered by applying relevant
legal principles. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact_(law)
* FACT (facilitates chromatin transcription) is a heterodimeric
protein complex that affects eukaryotic RNA polymerase II (Pol II)
transcription elongation both in vitro and in vivo. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FACT_(biology)
* FACT (The Foundation for Art & Creative Technology) is a
multimedia complex based on Wood Street in Liverpool, England.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FACT_
(the_Foundation_for_Art_and_Creative_Technology)
* A fact is a pragmatic truth, a statement that can, at least in
theory, be checked and either confirmed or denied. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact
* An honest observation; Something actual as opposed to invented;
Something which has become real; Something concrete used as a basis
for further interpretation; An objective consensus on a fundamental
reality that has been agreed upon by a substantial number of people;
Information about a ...
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fact
* Federation of Automated Coding Technology -- A bureau of AIM
consisting of organizations that use and promote automatic
identification among their members.
www.buyabarcode.com/index.php
* In PeopleSoft applications, facts are numeric data values from
fields from a source database as well as an analytic application. A
fact can be anything you want to measure your business by, for
example, revenue, actual, budget data, or sales numbers. A fact is
stored on a fact table.
www.grad.uwo.ca/documentation/GlossaryofPeopleSoftTerms.doc
* a statement that can be PROVEN
quizlet.com/print/22665/
* Is a reality, truth
www.englishbaby.com/blog/JuanYa/view_entry/866
* a description of a bit or piece of some domain of inquiry.
oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth370/gloss.html
* Information that has been objectively verified.
www.pde.state.pa.us/a_and_t/lib/a_and_t/Science_Glossary.doc
> I am not seeing any such thing as facts coming from you. Just hatred,
> bleating, lying and apology.
Sorry to see you're blind as well as ignorant.
Deborah
You need to take note of it yourself.
Jew fact is generally a lie. That is a know fact.
What I said is absoloutely correct, yet you attempt to make me out to be a
liar by careful manipulation of my words. You are a disgrace.
Your apologist attitude is quite sickening.
Deborah
Au contraire, you do me too much credit. No careful manipulation was
necessary to make you out to be the ignorant liar you are. You do it
yourself with no help.
> Your apologist attitude is quite sickening.
Your bullshit is vaguely amusing. Unfortunately, I haven't a lot of
time to waste on twits.
Deborah
What a liar you are.
> Your apologist attitude is quite sickening.
>Your bullshit is vaguely amusing. Unfortunately, I haven't a lot of
>time to waste on twits.
So - You declare to all I have defeated you.
The only "twit" posting here, my dear, is very obviously yourself.
> I have noted that a Muslim kid will memorize the Koran in their Madressas.
So what is new with it Children all over the world, in all languages
and all countries
memorize poetry , Math, grammar etc... in each country children
memorize what is important to their Cultural life.
Ps grown up also Memorize some facts, driving rules, safety rules,
adresses and phone numbers etc....
> A Fanatical Zionist (Jewish Jihadi) will memorise ZIONIST LIES.
Jihad is a Muslim Concept.
Alas all nations , religions , ideologies seem to have some people who
turn fanatical and who are fundametal. Ps your posts have all the
signs of being written by a Fundamentalist , thus if you copy them i
would advice to ask somebody who knows better what they really mean.
> These Middle Eastern scriptures have really mentally screwed up its devout
> followers both Muslims and Jews. The Christians have succeeded in unscrewing
> themselves after 1000 years.
I advice you to read some history books and learn some real facts.
>
mirjam
What do you now accuse me of? Why are you making up this story? Why do you
lie?
Why? You haven't. At least you've only read Jew history books.
>
>>
> mirjam
That was the motto of Mossad - one of Baron Rothschilds'
Praetorian Guard, outfits. The other two are British MI5 & MI6.
> Why? You haven't. At least you've only read Jew history books.
My advice was to the `Student` , not to you , is Student your other
ID ?
So you think that you saw my library? What are `Jew History books`,
there is no such category .
But please tell us which History books you read? and approximately how
many years ago?
Just to help you i will name some of my favorite History books ,
Illustrated English Social History, by G.M. trevelyan, Penguin Books,
1960.use it again and again for reference.
The Rise of industrial America, by Page smith, McGrwaw hill book
company, 1984.[2 years ago]
The History of Civilazation By Will Durant [ later Ariel Joins with
him] Simon And Schuster 1972.[refference ]
Bible and Sword By Barbara Tuchman Macmillan , 1956 ... is one of the
last i read in the last year...
these are only a few of the History books i read......
mirjam
>
>
>
Are you sure he understands what a book is?
Of course it is Abdulllah! I think it's about time you get back
to your madrassah/mosque and begin your vigorous arselifting
sessions for your imam, bumhammad and allah.
Any my advice was to YOU. This is a public forum, stupid woman. ANYONE may
reply.
> So you think that you saw my library? What are `Jew History books`,
> there is no such category .
Yes there is. It is the history books sanctioned by the Jew organisations.
List of Jew publications and propaganda rubbish removed.
Yo mamma.
I suppose that next you will threaten him with some long dead
really tough Jewish Commando?m Because you are too gutless to face
your detractors.
G.M. Trevelian, Will Durant and Page smith are Jewish ????? and their
books sanctioned by Jewish Organizations this are World Wide worthy
news
hahahahhaha
mirjam
If you're a muslime fuck I'd love to meet you, in a dark alley
or a boxing ring.