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sean

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Nov 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/18/98
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I am going back to live in Ireland. Many of my friends in the UK are
African or Afro-Caribbean in origins. If they came over to see me next year
in Dublin what kind of reception could they expect ? I had always figured,
perhaps naively, that on account of Irish history we'd be the last ones to
go slagging people for their racial origins. However I've been hearing
unsubstantiated claims that this isn't the case and that there have been
some fairly nasty racial incidents in Ireland in recent years. Is this, as
I suspect, a minor thing or is the skin colour divide just as evident in
the UK ?


eala liath

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Nov 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/19/98
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On Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:23:03 -0500, "sean" <j...@joe.com> wrote:

>I am going back to live in Ireland.

THAT's why you're looking for fadas.
Thank god, I was afraid it was a sign of the other thing.


eala
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Her husband is to her the sea.
He tastes of salt, his unwashed hair
a net that holds an ancient, briny catch.
In sleep, she breathes him deep.

M. MacKinnon

Dub Remix

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Nov 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/19/98
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sean <j...@joe.com> wrote:

> I am going back to live in Ireland. Many of my friends in the UK are
> African or Afro-Caribbean in origins. If they came over to see me next year
> in Dublin what kind of reception could they expect ?

They will be shot at the dockside for being big black smelly niggers. We
have to do it because our constitution actually states it. Right under
the section about performing oral sex on Bishops. They (the Darkies)
usually die happy because we baptize them before we shoot them. So they
end up with Jesus anyway. I love bayonetting the little nigger babies
myself as I love to hear their mothers scream. Personally I like to save
the Nigger women and use them as sex slaves and hopefully produced a
half-decent Irish soccer team someday. When all the Niggers are dead,
then I start burning the Jews and pulling the gold teeth out of their
heads.


BTW What religion are you. I just got an M-16 and I am look to riddle a
few Protestants.


Happy now? ( silly cunt)


--
Son of Unki

sean

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Nov 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/19/98
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Dub Remix <kfuz...@SPAMJAM.tinet.ie> wrote in article

>
> They will be shot at the dockside for being big black smelly niggers. We
> have to do it because our constitution actually states it. Right under
> the section about performing oral sex on Bishops. They (the Darkies)
> usually die happy because we baptize them before we shoot them. So they
> end up with Jesus anyway. I love bayonetting the little nigger babies
> myself as I love to hear their mothers scream. Personally I like to save
> the Nigger women and use them as sex slaves and hopefully produced a
> half-decent Irish soccer team someday. When all the Niggers are dead,
> then I start burning the Jews and pulling the gold teeth out of their
> heads.
>
>
> BTW What religion are you. I just got an M-16 and I am look to riddle a
> few Protestants.
>
>
> Happy now? ( silly cunt)
>
>

Seen. You're well dark aintcha ? Like your disorder the question was deadly
serious.
I heard a while back about a Chinese guy who'd been kicked to death outside
an Irish nightclub on account of his skin colour. I was curious how common
such racially motivated incidents are. Frankly you've been little or no
help. All the same thanx fer your funny little ignorant attempt at an
answer. ( ya thick fuck )

Slán
SeánO


Jim O'Donnell

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Nov 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/20/98
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I visited a doctor in Sligo recently who referred to an Asian guy who lived
down the road as "That Darkie Buck"!

sean <j...@joe.com> wrote in article <01be116e$16274660$LocalHost@bulber>...


> I am going back to live in Ireland. Many of my friends in the UK are
> African or Afro-Caribbean in origins. If they came over to see me next
year

Laura Burke

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Nov 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/20/98
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Can I ask you why you posted the question to SCI, saw the reply from Shero
(sent only to SCI) and then replied to his post - with his post copied - to
about 5 other NGs? Among them "alt.politics.nationalism.black" ?

I would hate to think that you're trying to start something racially
motivated, since you claim that you're just here to ask an honest and
serious question. Our Unki responded satirically. I'd love to hear your
justification for cross-posting out of context.

-Laura
--
"...caught in the reckless raging fury
that they call the love of God." -r.m.

sean wrote in message <01be1235$3aadfc00$1110d3d4@bulber>...


>
>
>Dub Remix <kfuz...@SPAMJAM.tinet.ie> wrote in article
>>

[Dub's story snipped]

sean

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Nov 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/20/98
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Laura Burke <ebu...@alltel.net> wrote in article
<732v0f$gpm$1...@news1.alltel.net>...


> Can I ask you why you posted the question to SCI, saw the reply from
Shero
> (sent only to SCI) and then replied to his post - with his post copied -
to
> about 5 other NGs? Among them "alt.politics.nationalism.black" ?
>
> I would hate to think that you're trying to start something racially
> motivated, since you claim that you're just here to ask an honest and
> serious question. Our Unki responded satirically. I'd love to hear your
> justification for cross-posting out of context.
>
> -Laura
> --

I posted to two other newsgroups in the hope that someone better placed
than myself would inform Dub Remix that his cross fader is stuck on
extremely unfunny for a variety of reasons.
He no doubt thinks he is well smart to post such a reply but the bottom
line is that the shit he wrote stinks and is about as satirical as an Amos
and Andy show. If the guy thought my question was unwarranted he should
have just said so - he's got no right to 'do' black satire (if that's what
it is) for the simple reason that he's not black. How do I know ? He uses
the word 'ethnic' in connection with restaurants. That then is the main
reason I posted his reply to two black NG's - his idea of funny needs
correcting and I figured the brothers are best placed to tell him why.
Slán
SeánO

seán

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Nov 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/20/98
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Jim O'Donnell <jim...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> I visited a doctor in Sligo recently who referred to an Asian guy who
lived
> down the road as "That Darkie Buck"!
>

I think that kind of remark in itself is fairly harmless and can be meant
innocently enough. Don Letts of Big Audio Dynamite said that when he was in
Ireland some years back the kids in the rural areas followed him round like
he was a white tourist in the third world - y'know wanting to feel his hair
etc.. I think there's been much more noticeable third world immigration to
Ireland since then and I wondered how good/bad natured relations are on the
whole. Stephen Lawrence was just the thin end of the wedge here in the UK
where black on white racially motivated violence is now also beginning to
feature fairly heavily in the stats. I wondered how likely it was that
Ireland would escape this kind of shit.

Slán
SeánO

Mayhem

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Nov 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/20/98
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>> >Seen. You're well dark aintcha ? Like your disorder the question was
deadly
>serious.
>I heard a while back about a Chinese guy who'd been kicked to death outside
>an Irish nightclub on account of his skin colour.

Have you ever tried to determine someones skin color outside an (Irish) club
at night?!?
Might as well be jaundice..........
I just think he was kicked to death for being chinese............

Mayhem.


Tom D.

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Nov 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/20/98
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sean wrote:
>
> reason I posted his reply to two black NG's - his idea of funny needs
> correcting and I figured the brothers are best placed to tell him why.
> Slán
> SeánO

Please protect us from ourselves, SeanO.
We know not what we do.

--
Tom Donaghue

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Laura Burke

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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sean wrote ...

>Laura Burke <ebu...@alltel.net> wrote in article
><732v0f$gpm$1...@news1.alltel.net>...
>> Can I ask you why you posted the question to SCI, saw the reply from
>Shero
>> (sent only to SCI) and then replied to his post - with his post copied -
>to
>> about 5 other NGs? Among them "alt.politics.nationalism.black" ?

>I posted to two other newsgroups in the hope that someone better placed
>than myself would inform Dub Remix that his cross fader is stuck on
>extremely unfunny for a variety of reasons.


YOU say that he should have just told you that the question was unwarranted.
I say that you should have just told him that his reply was unwarranted.
Instead, you cross-posted something, out of context, to others. It was bad
form. Pretty it up with all the moral outrage you want, doesn't change it.

-Laura
--
"Be a team player. It diffuses the blame"


seán

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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Laura Burke <ebu...@alltel.net> wrote in article

<735k82$9gq$1...@news1.alltel.net>...

>
>
> YOU say that he should have just told you that the question was
unwarranted.
> I say that you should have just told him that his reply was unwarranted.
> Instead, you cross-posted something, out of context, to others. It was
bad
> form. Pretty it up with all the moral outrage you want, doesn't change
it.
>

Fair enough if you think it's bad form, I can see why you might think that.
I was vexed at his reply and didn't dwell on what I was doing. Perhaps if
I'd asked a question about something *really* important like beer then he'd
have given a less fatuous answer. I still think that the cross post wasn't
out of context and if some Black guy was writing in a similar vein about
the Irish I'd like the opportunity to tell him why it was offensive.
Slán
Seán

Laura Burke

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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Sean, if some black guy posted a satirical piece about shooting irishmen:

1. There'd be no way for any of us to know he was black unless he told us
(and by the way, you have no way of knowing that Shero isn't black either -
you just assumed).

2. The people he was addressing could probably stick up for themselves.

3. If it was done satirically, and if it was actually funny, most people on
this NG would not get offended, and would rate it on merit. Shero would be
among them.

That is, unless he was black and got shot at the docks coming back into
Ireland from New York.

And by the way, cut the slander about beer or I'll post your remarks to
alt.beer.fan-loyal-to-the-death Just because I drink wimpy canadian beer
doesn't mean I won't stick up for the beverage. If I don't, I'LL FIND
SOMEONE WHO WILL.

-Laura
--
"Be a team player. It diffuses the blame"

seán wrote ...

seán

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Nov 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/22/98
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Breathnac <brea...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> seán wrote:
>
> > I still think that the cross post wasn't
> >out of context and if some Black guy was writing in a similar vein about
> >the Irish I'd like the opportunity to tell him why it was offensive.
>

> Funny, as I was out the other night having a drink with my friend Henry -
this
> really funny black guy I work with - we got to talking about beer.
>
> "Man," he said - "I just discovered this great Jamaican beer called
Guinness
> Stout. You ever tried it?"
>
> He still does not believe me when I tell him it's Irish.
>
> Breathnach
>

Class. The Jamaicans are the most Irish people I ever came across. Most of
their rebellions were led by their priests. They have at drink called Irish
moss made from stout, cream and seaweed. They also brew their own stout by
the name of Dragon. Its overproof an' lethal.
The similarities don't stop there.
Slán
SeánO

Breathnac

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Nov 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/23/98
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JPhi008

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Nov 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/24/98
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I think that after the bigotry the Irish people have been through over the
centuries, those of my Irish bretheren who seem to have a problem with the
colour of a person's skin or ethnic background should go back to their history
books and read how our ancestors suffered from the same attitudes they are
displaying now. It is very sad to see those who have been the most oppressed
people in Europe next to the Jews doing the same thing to another human being.
It doesn't reflect well on the those in Ireland who are not bigots. I hope
everybody out there will put a stop to the nonsense.


JPhi008

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Nov 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/24/98
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You are sad and should be ashamed of yourself! Go back to your Hitler Youth
meetings! You are no better than the Englishman that enslaved your anscestors!


Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin

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Nov 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/24/98
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JPhi008 wrote:

>You are sad and should be ashamed of yourself! Go back to your Hitler Youth
>meetings! You are no better than the Englishman that enslaved your anscestors!

And you should check Dejanews and read the entire thread.

Then again, you're trolling elsewhere about the OO & Nazis, so maybe
you're not worth it.

--
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http://www.wwa.com/~abardubh/
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Alan D Red

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Nov 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/24/98
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On 24 Nov 1998 05:19:40 GMT, jph...@aol.com
(JPhi008) wrote:

Im particularly bigoted against dumbass, trolling
Amercan boneheads like you, so shoot me.


############

Alain D'Rouge

Oops!


Alan D Red

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Nov 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/24/98
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On 24 Nov 1998 05:23:21 GMT, jph...@aol.com
(JPhi008) wrote:

>You are sad and should be ashamed of yourself! Go back to your Hitler Youth
>meetings! You are no better than the Englishman that enslaved your anscestors!
>
>

My ancestors were apelike creatures, not jellyfish
like yours were.


Go ask Cochise and Sitting Bull what he think of
fork tongued one like you-um

JPhi008

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Nov 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/25/98
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As I said before you ingorant idiot, you shouldn't generalize people or did
your mum teach you any manners? Get a life! You don't even know me so give
over! Not all Americans are what you perceive.
Yours in the Great Struggle against the system!
John


ACooper213

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Nov 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/25/98
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JPH BABBLED:

<SNIPPED DUE TO LACK OF INTEREST)

>Yours in the Great Struggle against the system!
> John


Do you use the term "bright eyed and bushy tailed" in Ireland?


Tony aka: ACoop...@aol.com

Alan D Red

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Nov 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/25/98
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On 25 Nov 1998 03:11:01 GMT, jph...@aol.com
(JPhi008) wrote:

>As I said before you ingorant idiot, you shouldn't generalize people or did
>your mum teach you any manners? Get a life! You don't even know me so give
>over! Not all Americans are what you perceive.

> Yours in the Great Struggle against the system!
> John
>


Listen spongeydick, at least let us know who you
are replying to, by leaving a small part of their
post, eh?

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