Barney Einstein's Improbable Flying Circus
michael adams
> <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
[probabilility and horse racing ]
[ this involves data for some 200,000 races]
adams:
> >If you're looking at the form of a horse that ran ten
> >years ago, why would you pick one race half way through its career
> >and first look at the races that it ran prior to that, and then
> >only afterwards, the ones it ran subseqently. When all these
> >races happened in the past anyway!
>
> You won't know anything about this of course, but one of
> the factors involved is a comparsison of the careers of
> many horses
...
Well if you have 200,000 races that clearly involves a lot of
horses. So how many horses carreers are you comparing ? And how do
you choose which ones ?
...
>
>
> >> Yes, if you want to do it right, you have to do it yourself.
>
> >How do you mean do it yourself? So you're now saying that you
> >collated all this data yourself are you?
>
> Myself and a number of others.
>
...
How many others?
...
[The Stock Market]
>
> Nor would you have been so foolish as to presume that Keyne's was
> doing anything other than buying for the long term.
>
> You offered him as an example of active daily trading and you were
> wrong as per usual.
>
> Long term strategy is the key as I have consistently argued.
>
...
But how can he have increased the funds of Kings College ten times
over in a matter of years, by taking a long term view ?
...
[The Irish in Britain]
> >>
> >> The Irish in Victorian Britain: the Local Dimension
> >> > >> Although by far the oldest and most numerous ethnic minority
> >> in Britain, the Irish have received relatively little attention
> >> within British social history or indeed the sociology of migration,
> >> race and ethnicity.
>
> >And
>
> Yes, you've been shown to be wrong again!
...
No. These people are saying the Irish have received relatively
little attention within the disciplines of British social history
and the sociology of migration, race and ethnicity.
You claim to be arguing about public perceptions of the Irish in
Britain, not what topics academics may care to take up. The two
are completely different. Or weren't you aware of that fact?
[Public Perceptions of the Irish Contribution to the US]
O'Brien
> In disputing the fairly obvious you do no more than show just how
> little you grasp about the world you live in and that's of course
> why everything about you is an unending litany of error.
>
> >You haven't provided one single scrap of evidence to support this.
>
> Eh?
>
> That the Irish contribution to the US is well-known?
>
> You werne't aware of that?
>
...
No not to the extent of betting money on it, certainly.
It can't be that well known if I'm not aware of it, anyway.
It's up to you to probvide some eveidence, which you've
consistently refused to do. You're making the claim -
you provide some evidence.
[ O'Brien on English Traditional Dancing ]
>
> The English have a tradition in all the Artistic fields and also in
> contemporary Arts.
>
> You denied that and as usual you were wrong to do so.
...
So what does the English tradition in dancing consist of then?
...
[Parliaments and stuff]
O'Brien
> The diffference is that in countries with Written constitutions an
> Executive or Legislature is constrained by that Constitution.
...
Constitutions are mainly Written by new countries, trying to
forge an identity for themselves. It's unlikley that legislators
who got voted into office would think any differently, from the
framers of the Constitution in any case. And when people like
Hitler come along they rewrite the Constitution anyway.
All these constitutional safeguards are in reality, little more
than hot air.
[From Birdfeeders Deathmatch]
[ The Secret of O'Briens's Success]
> It's a competitive world out there and there are those who succeed
> and, as you sadly know, those who fail.
...
Well whatever you succeeded in it didn't appear to require any
specific knowledge of any kind. Plenty of bullshit and hot air
points to a career in selling. Double Glazing
or Time Shares perhaps ?
...
[The Art of Lying ]
> You just can't bluff things like that Adams
> Nor the Joyce story either.
> One would have to be very very good to get away with
> stuff like that, wouldn't one?
...
That would very much depend on the credulity of the person
you were trying to fool. With me you're wasing your time.
...
[ O'Brien's Boat ]
> > And how big is this boat of yours then, by the way?
> I'm not going through a whole rigmarole with you googling and
> querying lengths and inches and all the rest of it.
...
No I'm just curious as to where you've got it moored.
And whether you yourself say, live close to the river.
...
[ O'Brien's Farm ]
> > Right you own land in Ireland. What is this, farm land ?
> > Who manages it for you?
> The house is let, the land is set.
> It's managed by a relative, not that it requires much managing to be
> honest.
...
Well what's it given over to then? Hay, store cattle, what?
And I suppose you must pay a high rate of Tax on the leting
income as well.
[Hammersmith ]
> You'll be aware of course that the bedsit land for Hammersmith is on
> that road up to Shepherd's Bush and ghetting even farther from those
> places you're trying to claim for Hammersmith.
For someone claiming to own properties in the area, its surprising
you didn't know the name of that Road. And as I pointed out before
IIRR, it was in a road therabouts that Collins used to lodge during
his clerking years in London.
The comparison is with catching a Tube to Osterley. Those places,
starting along Hammersmith Riverside, are all within walking distance
for a reasonably fit person.
...
> I own a few peoperties there myself. Perhaps I was your landlord at
> one time.
...
[ James Joyce Knew his Grandad ]
> > You could always tell them all about your Ulysses First Edition!
> You never even asked what number was on it.
And you never mentioned that the book was presumably signed
by Joyce with a dedication to your Grandpa with maybe a specific
reference to the help that he gave him with inforamtion for
the book.
...
[time]
> Time has got nothing to do with it.
>
> It's just a false category that we use to measure the cycles of the
> Earth and Sun and so on.
...
Time doesn't measure anything ! Units such as hours,
minutes, seconds merely express the ratio of the time taken
for springs to unwind or crystals to oscillate in clocks or
watches, and other events in the Universe.
Its all conveniently called "time", so as to prevent unthinking
people such as yourself, from getting unduly confused.
What people such as yourself like to call "time" - hours,
minutes etc are merely signifying differences in the rate of
change of physical processes or events. Springs unwinding
crystal oscillating, athletes running around tracks etc
[I think you may already answered these points, but as
your posts aren't archived and all the Barney Einstein
threads are missing on my server I'm sure you won't mind
having another try.]
michael
...
michael adams
> On 5 Sep 2003 16:55:13 -0700, mjad...@onetel.net.uk (michael adams)
> wrote:
>
> >[probabilility and horse racing ]
> >
> >[ this involves data for some 200,000 races]
> >
> >adams:
> >
> >> >If you're looking at the form of a horse that ran ten
> >> >years ago, why would you pick one race half way through its career
> >> >and first look at the races that it ran prior to that, and then
> >> >only afterwards, the ones it ran subseqently. When all these
> >> >races happened in the past anyway!
> >>
> >> You won't know anything about this of course, but one of
> >> the factors involved is a comparsison of the careers of
> >> many horses
>
> >horses. So how many horses carreers are you comparing ? And how do
> >you choose which ones ?
>
...
All the winners ? Lets say we have ten distances and ten grades.
These figure may be a mitr overgenerous but nevetheless
This then gives us 100 grade\distance combinations.
Which means that for each combination you're comaparing
2,000 horses.
So how exactly do you go about comparing 2,000 horses ?
...
>
> >> >> Yes, if you want to do it right, you have to do it yourself.
> >>
> >> >How do you mean do it yourself? So you're now saying that you
> >> >collated all this data yourself are you?
> >>
> >> Myself and a number of others.
>
> >How many others?
>
> Five others, but we employed a team to do the DE
...
I take it this reference is to Data Entry. So what exactly
did this involve ?
And what exactly were the six of you doing while all the DE
was taking place?
...
>
>
> >[The Stock Market]
> >
> >>
> >> Nor would you have been so foolish as to presume that Keyne's was
> >> doing anything other than buying for the long term.
> >>
> >> You offered him as an example of active daily trading and you were
> >> wrong as per usual.
> >>
> >> Long term strategy is the key as I have consistently argued.
>
> >But how can he have increased the funds of Kings College ten times
> >over in a matter of years, by taking a long term view ?
>
> How can't he have done that?
>
> That's what he says he was doing.
...
No its not. That's what he said afterwards as Chairman of the
Prudential or whatever. Which was much later. How many more times
do you need to be told this?
...
>
> >[The Irish in Britain]
> >
> >> >>
> >> >> The Irish in Victorian Britain: the Local Dimension
> >
> >
> >> >> > >> Although by far the oldest and most numerous ethnic
minority
> >> >> in Britain, the Irish have received relatively little attention
> >> >> within British social history or indeed the sociology of
migration,
> >> >> race and ethnicity.
> >>
> >> >And
> >>
> >> Yes, you've been shown to be wrong again!
>
> >No. These people are saying the Irish have received relatively
> >little attention within the disciplines of British social history
> >and the sociology of migration, race and ethnicity.
> >
> >You claim to be arguing about public perceptions of the Irish in
> >Britain, not what topics academics may care to take up. The two
> >are completely different. Or weren't you aware of that fact?
>
> Are you claiming that the British public perception of the Irish
> contribution to Britain is as obvious as the US public perception of
> the Irish contribution to the US?
...
I don't know! That's what I'm asking you to provide evidence of!
...
> >[Public Perceptions of the Irish Contribution to the US]
> >
> >O'Brien
> >
> >> In disputing the fairly obvious you do no more than show just how
> >> little you grasp about the world you live in and that's of course
> >> why everything about you is an unending litany of error.
> >>
> >> >You haven't provided one single scrap of evidence to support this.
> >>
> >> Eh?
> >>
> >> That the Irish contribution to the US is well-known?
> >>
> >> You werne't aware of that?
>
> >No not to the extent of betting money on it, certainly.
> >
> >It can't be that well known if I'm not aware of it, anyway.
> >
> >It's up to you to probvide some eveidence, which you've
> >consistently refused to do. You're making the claim -
> >you provide some evidence.
>
> What I'm saying to you is that the Irish contribution to the US is
> very well-known there.
>
> I'm also saying that that's self-evidently the case.
>
> I'm not too bothered whether you accept that or not.
>
> You have a habit of arguing against the obvious.
...
It's only obvious to you. Because you inhabit a dream world
of your own. However when these fanatasies of yours are subjected
to the cold light of day - when you're simply asked to provide
evidence of why *you* yourself belive them - you simply clam up
and refuse to answer. Because you can't really justify or
substantiate many of the things you claim to believe. Can you?
In actual fact of course, this goes far deeper than nonsense
about Ulysses, posh houses, boats or whatever. Doesn't it?
Because this demonstrates beyond doubt, that many of your self
professed core beliefs are a load of old rubbish, based on
nothing more substantial than your own self-delusion.
I pity you at times, I really do. Having your manifest
deficiencies exposed in this way.
..
>
> That's one of your tactics in fact.
>
> >[ O'Brien on English Traditional Dancing ]
> >>
> >> The English have a tradition in all the Artistic fields and also in
> >> contemporary Arts.
> >>
> >> You denied that and as usual you were wrong to do so.
>
> >So what does the English tradition in dancing consist of then?
>
> Is that the only area of the Arts in which you think your argument
> holds?
>
> You know what they say about exceptions to the rule?
>
...
The exception proves the rule. Yep what's that got to do with it?
So your definition of "all the Artistic fields", as noted above,
specifically excludes any reference to dance, then does it ?
So what does dance come under then? Heavy industry, sport, what?
...
[Parliaments and stuff]
O'Brien
> >> The diffference is that in countries with Written constitutions an
> >> Executive or Legislature is constrained by that Constitution.
>
> >Constitutions are mainly Written by new countries, trying to
> >forge an identity for themselves. It's unlikley that legislators
> >who got voted into office would think any differently, from the
> >framers of the Constitution in any case. And when people like
> >Hitler come along they rewrite the Constitution anyway.
> >
> >All these constitutional safeguards are in reality, little more
> >than hot air.
>
> OK so you favour a system which has no Written Constitution to which
> to appeal.
>
> That's unusual even in Britain, but then you are very old.
..
All that Written Constitutions do, is line lawyers pockets.
Having a Written Constitution in no way benefits the worse
off in any case.
Either people can be expected to behave reasonably, or like
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc they cannot. And can only be deposed
by the electorate.
Your view is typical of the typical 16 year old teenager who
comes top in Civics. But then you are so very naieve.
...
>
> >[From Birdfeeders Deathmatch]
> >
> >[ The Secret of O'Briens's Success]
> >
> >> It's a competitive world out there and there are those who succeed
> >> and, as you sadly know, those who fail.
>
> >Well whatever you succeeded in it didn't appear to require any
> >specific knowledge of any kind. Plenty of bullshit and hot air
> >points to a career in selling. Double Glazing
> >or Time Shares perhaps ?
>
> You'd need to sell a lot of that though to get to Richmond.
>
> So wrong again.
...
If you're a good salesman with a sellable product then there's
no limit to the amount you can earn!
Your negative attitude and clear lack of initiative speaks
volumes about your true status in life, I'm afraid.
As does this need of yours to tell obvious lies about yourself.
It upsets me at times, it really does, when I come to consider
what your circumstances must really be like in reality. And that
maybe, I have sometimes gone that bit too far.
...
>
> >[The Art of Lying ]
> >
> >> You just can't bluff things like that Adams
> >
> >> Nor the Joyce story either.
> >
> >> One would have to be very very good to get away with
> >> stuff like that, wouldn't one?
>
> >That would very much depend on the credulity of the person
> >you were trying to fool. With me you're wasing your time.
>
> Am I really?
>
> And still you haven't a clue.
...
No I haven't jumped to any unwarrented asumptions either
though have I? The only thing I am fairly certain of, is that
you occasionally walk past the Kingsway Tram Tunnel, you watch
Question Time and you spend a loyt of your time apprently downloading
pirated music and software off of the Net.
...
>
> >[ O'Brien's Boat ]
> >
> >> > And how big is this boat of yours then, by the way?
> >
> >> I'm not going through a whole rigmarole with you googling and
> >> querying lengths and inches and all the rest of it.
>
> >No I'm just curious as to where you've got it moored.
> >And whether you yourself say, live close to the river.
>
> So's you can get together with Beale and go down in the middle of
> the night and do some damage to it you jealous waster!
>
> No thanks.
>
...
No just in general terms. On the River, in a marina, where?
I'm genuinely interested, as I know nothing about boats at all.
How much it costs to moore one. That sort of thing.
...
> >[ O'Brien's Farm ]
> >
> >
> >> > Right you own land in Ireland. What is this, farm land ?
> >> > Who manages it for you?
> >
> >> The house is let, the land is set.
...
What, so it's a fairly modern house then is it?
...
> >
> >> It's managed by a relative, not that it requires much managing to
be
> >> honest.
>
> >Well what's it given over to then? Hay, store cattle, what?
>
> Cattle
...
Interesting. And how long do you normally keep them for?
...
>
> >And I suppose you must pay a high rate of Tax on the leting
> >income as well.
>
> Of course.
>
> >[Hammersmith ]
> >
> >> You'll be aware of course that the bedsit land for Hammersmith is
on
> >> that road up to Shepherd's Bush and ghetting even farther from
those
> >> places you're trying to claim for Hammersmith.
> >
> >For someone claiming to own properties in the area, its surprising
> >you didn't know the name of that Road. And as I pointed out before
> >IIRR, it was in a road therabouts that Collins used to lodge during
> >his clerking years in London.
> >
> >The comparison is with catching a Tube to Osterley. Those places,
> >starting along Hammersmith Riverside, are all within walking distance
> >for a reasonably fit person.
>
> But you must be at least 70 Michael.
...
Oh, and what are your own plans in that area then ?
A fatal heart attack at 50, or choke on your own vomit at 60 ?
...
>
> >> I own a few peoperties there myself. Perhaps I was your landlord
at
> >> one time.
> >
...
For someone claiming to own properties in the area, its surprising you
still don't know the name of the Road between Hammersmith ans Shepherds
Bush, isn't it?
...
> >...
> >
> >[ James Joyce Knew his Grandad ]
> >
> >> > You could always tell them all about your Ulysses First Edition!
> >
> >
> >> You never even asked what number was on it.
> >
> >And you never mentioned that the book was presumably signed
> >by Joyce with a dedication to your Grandpa with maybe a specific
> >reference to the help that he gave him with inforamtion for
> >the book.
>
> Yeah but you wouldn't know about that.
>
> If you knew anything about the book you would know the numbering and
> what it signified.
>
> Mine is a Dutch handmade paper.
>
>
...
What it actually says "Dutch Handmade Paper" in the book itself, does
it?
Whereabouts exactly?
...
> >[time]
> >
> >> Time has got nothing to do with it.
> >>
> >> It's just a false category that we use to measure the cycles
> >> of the Earth and Sun and so on.
>
> >Time
>
> I know enough about this already.
...
You know little enough to make nonsensical claims to the effect
that we use *time* to measure things.
This is an utterly foolish thing to say, as you probably now
well realise.
You are now making bigger mistakes on this topic, than you have
ever done before on anything!
You can swap equations Googled off of school websites, for as long
as you like with Digital-Books. But you're not going to be allowed to
get away with this one! Its always going to be here waiting. There's
no escape! Waiting. Waiting. I paraphrase - "we use time to measure
things". Waiting. Waiting. You're beyond the help of Google on this
one I'm afraid. Waiting, Waiting.
Your biggest single mistake - ever!
Exposed at last!
michael
...
michael adams
> On 6 Sep 2003 10:47:48 -0700, mjad...@onetel.net.uk (michael adams)
> wrote:
To Mr O'Brien:
I seriouly suggest you prepare yourself in some way before reading
this post. Your little measure of success in corrresponding with
Mr Digital-Books, out of whom I got an apology don't forget, appears
to have boosted you confidence to an unhealthy degree. And so I wouldn't
want the contents of the latter half of this post especially, to
come as too much of a shock to your system.
> >> >[probabilility and horse racing ]
> >> >
> >> >[ this involves data for some 200,000 races]
> >
> >So how exactly do you go about comparing 2,000 horses ?
>
> What you're doing is comparing winners in the various distances and
> grades and so on.
>
> Using a great numbers of factors you're trying to establish just what
> a winner at each distance and grade is like.
Well you've got 2,000 winners at a particular grade and distance.
How exactly does that tell you, what a winner at that grade and
distance *is like* ? Can you give an example of what you mean
by this please?
...
> >> Five others, but we employed a team to do the DE
>
> >I take it this reference is to Data Entry. So what exactly
> >did this involve ?
>
> Entering data.
...
From what sources exactly ?
...
> >And what exactly were the six of you doing while all the DE
> >was taking place?
>
> Other things. This was part time for us.
>
..
And so you hired premises where all this DE was to be done then
did you?
[The Stock Market]
> The point here is that all successful investors invest for the Long
> Term.
>
> You were wrong and you were caught.
...
Right, so if you bought shares at £1 and three months later they
rose to £2 as a result of takeover speculation, you wouldn't
sell at £2 but wait until they fell back down to £1 after the bid
failed would you?
There's more than one way to skin a cat, Bozo. As Keynes of all
people would have known.
The Secret of My Success ?
"I never [try to] buy at the bottom and I always sell too soon." --
Nathan Rothschild,
famous British Merchant banker
Or maybe you class Nathan Rothschild as a failure, do you?
Take a profit while you can, Bozo. And don't be greedy.
...
>
[The Irish in Britain]
Abandoned as a result of O'Briens refusal to acknowledge
any difference between the subject matter of Social Hitory
and public perceptions.
[Public Perceptions of the Irish Contribution to the US]
Abandoned as result of lack of any evidence whatsoever
having been produced by O'Brien
[ O'Brien on English Traditional Dancing ]
> > > The English have a tradition in all the Artistic fields and also
> > > in contemporary Arts.
> >So what does the English tradition in dancing consist of then?
> >>
> >> Is that the only area of the Arts in which you think your argument
> >> holds?
> >>
> >> You know what they say about exceptions to the rule?
..
So you're claiming that "all the Artistic Fields" doesn't include
dance, are you?
...
[Written Constitutions]
O'Brien
>
> You could always live in the UK if you don't like any fussiness like
> rights and stuff.
>
> Oops! You do.
...
Double Oops, and so do you !
If you're so enamoured of Written Constitutions, I find it rather
strange that you should choose to live in England at all. When given
your evident wealth you could set yourself up quite well in Ireland,
or even the United States.
As given this wealth , along with your range of skills there should
be no problems in securing the necessary credentials. Now should there?
[ The Secret of O'Briens's Success]
adams
> >Your negative attitude and clear lack of initiative speaks
> >volumes about your true status in life, I'm afraid.
> >As does this need of yours to tell obvious lies about yourself.
> >
> >It upsets me at times, it really does, when I come to consider
> >what your circumstances must really be like in reality. And that
> >maybe, I have sometimes gone that bit too far.
>
> Oh Please!
>
> Could you not at least create your own themes.
>
> I said that about you!
...
Oh dear!
When *you* said it about *me*, I obviously knew it was *false*!
Whereas when *I* say it about *you*, I have uncomfortable
suspicion that it may well indeed be *true*!
Never exactly the sharpest knife in the box, now are you?
...
[The Art of Lying ]
All now rendered obsolete as a result of O'Briens
exposure over Ullyses. See below
[ O'Brien's Boat ]
> Well, good boats have to be kept in a secure marina. You just can't
> leave them on the side of the Thames. There are a lot of boats moored
> round Richmond and Twickenham but they aren't exactly pleasure
> vessels, if you know what I mean. Mine, as you would expect is a bit
> of an old pleasure vessel.
...
What, it reeks of stale olive oil you mean?
...
> There are a lot of secure moorings in
> London itself
...
>
> >> >[ O'Brien's Farm ]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> > Right you own land in Ireland. What is this, farm land ?
> >> >> > Who manages it for you?
> >> >
> >> >> The house is let, the land is set.
>
> >What, so it's a fairly modern house then is it?
>
> If I remember correctly you had a problem with the term modern before.
>
> What do you mean by modern?
...
Obviously something people would want to rent, dickhead!
...
[Conor The Teenager ]
>
> So you are about 70 then?
>
> I think it's great that old folks like yourself can learn to use the
> Internet.
>
> It's a whole new life for you really
>
> I say, IT'S A WHOLE NEW LIFE FOR YOU.....
>
> Yeah, cup a tea, Thanks
...
If you had any degree of subtlety of thought at all, which
you patently don't, you'd realise that the point I was making,
was that any poor soul hooked up to a life support machine
at the age of 50, would give anything in the world to be
sure of reaching 70. Don't knock it, because if you're
lucky, you'll be 70 yourself some day.
At the present it appears you still have the mentality of
a 16 year old teenager inhabiting the body of a 48 year old
man. Sad. Very sad.
...
> Dear, oh Dear....
>
> >> >> I own a few peoperties there myself. Perhaps I was your
landlord
> >at
> >> >> one time.
>
> Of course I know it.
>
> It's the Shepherds Bush Road you twit.
...
But if you knew it why didn't you simply call it the Shepherds
Bush Road to start with? Why did you have to check in your
A to Z? Which you eventually remembered, was propping up a
leg of your one and only table?
...
>
> I imagine you spent many's the night in the Garryowen there
> in the old days.
...
There were Irish Clubs all over London at one time. No need for
anyone to travel far in those days.
...
[ James Joyce Knew his Grandad ]
> >> >> > You could always tell them all about your Ulysses First
Edition!
> >>
> >> Mine is a Dutch handmade paper.
>
> >What it actually says "Dutch Handmade Paper" in the book itself, does
> >it?
> >
> >Whereabouts exactly?
>
> It's on the reverse of the title page. It says:
>
> THIS EDITION IS LIMITED TO 1000 COPIES:100 COPIES ( SIGNED ) ON DUTCH
> HANDMADE PAPER NUMBERED FROM 1 TO 100; 150 COPIES ON VERGE D' ARCHES
> NUMBERED FROM 101 TO 250; 750 COPIES ON HANDMADE PAPER NUMBERED FROM
> 251 TO 1000.
>
> No XX
>
> Where XX is the number of mine.
...
Oh really?
That's not how all the other copies were printed. Here's the
collation for the 1922 Ulysses - a list of all the pages and
exactly what's on them, as used by scholars and collectors.
Funnily enough your little extract above looks strangely
familiar. Shame you didn't pay more rather attention to the
page numbering though, isn't it ?
Contents:
Preliminaries:
pp. [i–iv], blank, (pp. [i–ii] folded under wrapper);
p. [v], half-title;
p. [vi], BY THE SAME WRITER [rule] CHAMBER MUSIC DUBLINERS
A PORTRAIT OF THE ARTIST AS A YOUNG MAN EXILES [rule]
THE EGOIST PRESS LONDON ;
p. [vii], title-page;
p. [viii], copyright statement: Tous droits de reproduction, de
traduction et d’adaptation réservés pour tous les pays y compris
la Russie. Copyright by James Joyce ;
p. [ix], colophon: THIS EDITION IS LIMITED TO 1000 COPIES : 100 COPIES
(SIGNED) ON DUTCH HANDMADE Paper NUMBERED FROM 1 TO 100 ; 150 COPIES
ON VERGÉ D’ARCHES NUBERED FROM 100 TO 250 ; 750 COPIES ON HANDMADE
PAPER NUMBERED FROM 251 TO 1000. No [copy number stamped in black];
O.K. Bozo this information is opposite the copyright information!
Also see animation below! Buffoon! You couldn't even lie your way
out of a wet paper bag!
p. [x], blank;
p. [xi], Publishers statement: The publisher asks the reader’s
indulgence
for typographical errors unavoidable in the exceptional circumstances S.
B. ;
p. [xii], blank;
[preliminaries end]
p. [1], divisional title,
http://www.lib.utulsa.edu/Speccoll/JJoyce/trieste_zurich_paris.htm
Or maybe they made a mistake eh Bozo? Never fear -
here's the animated version [it takes minutes to load on dial-up ]
...almost like being on death row for you I'd imagine!
http://www.jjoycebiblio.org/BookAnimations/Ulysses%20Web/Ulysses_v03.htm
l
or if that doesn't wrap
So you've been caught out lying absolutely here Bozo!
Bang to rights!
No ifs and buts!
But not only that. Not only do you have no real familiarity
with the First Edition of Ulysses , but for all the houses
you claim to own, the farm, the boat etc. you're so skint you
can't even afford to fork out £70 for the facsimile edition!
Which for a real afficianado of Joyce, as you claim to be,
would be a must!
So you've been exposed on two fronts here. Your interest
in Joyce is totally superficial, if that, -
and you clearly haven't even got two halfpennies to rub together!
*************** O'Brien quote of the Week ******************
"You just can't bluff things like that Adams"
"Nor the Joyce story either."
"One would have to be very very good to get away with
"stuff like that, wouldn't one?"
******************************************************************
Exactly!
...
[time]
o'brien
> >> I know enough about this already.
> >You know little enough to make nonsensical claims to the effect
> >that we use *time* to measure things.
> Time is a concept that we use to measure things in our daily lives.
...
Oh really?
And so what exactly do we measure with "time", then?
And are you suggesting that we use "time" to measure things
in the same way we use say "length" to measure things,
or say "height" to measure things ?
michael
...
michael adams
> On 7 Sep 2003 02:51:47 -0700, mjad...@onetel.net.uk (michael adams)
> wrote:
[probabilility and horse racing ]
[ this involves data for some 200,000 races]
[ which is around 2,000 for each grade-distance combination.]
> >> >So how exactly do you go about comparing 2,000 horses ?
>
> You're able to profile winners at the various distances and grades.
> There's a similarity between them.
...
What, there's a similarity between 2,000 horses. Two thousand of them?
What sort of similarity?
...
>
> >> >> Five others, but we employed a team to do the DE
>
> >From what sources exactly ?
>
> The Form sources
...
Yes but what Form Sources?
...
>
> >[The Stock Market]
> >
> >> The point here is that all successful investors invest for the Long
> >> Term.
>
> "Keynes outlined his investment principles thus:
>
> 2. A steadfast holding of these fairly large units through
> thick and thin, perhaps for several years,
> So you're flatly contradicting Keynes even though you thought
> originally that he agreed with you.
>
> You just haven't a clue in this as in so much else.
...
Complete and Utter Shite!
Do you know what the phrase "perhaps for several years" means Bozo ?
because it was therein your quote! Do you know the maening of the
word "perhaps", Bozo? Do you know the meaning of word "several"?
Here are some phrases Bozo.
Which best describes the "Long Term", as you put it.
a) a few years
b) several years
c) a large number of years
d) a very large number of years
e) an extremeley large number of years
please put your cross in the appropriate box -
a) b) c) d) e)
[ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ]
...
[ O'Brien on English Traditional Dancing ]
> What I'm saying is that your example of Morris dancing versus
> Riverdance is just as stupid as all the rest of your arguments.
>
> There is a specific English tradition in the Arts and in contemporary
> Arts too.
>
> It's that simple.
>
...
What's simple Bozo, is that if asked for their idea of
traditional English Dance most people would say Morris Dancing.
You said English Culture, in all its aspects has a higher profile
than Irish culture. So I ask you again, why hasn't there been
a Morris Dancing equivalent of Riverdance?
And by the way Bozo it's believed to refer to "Moorish Dance",
while North Africa is linked to some of the elements, scales etc in
traditional Irish Music also. So there's no excuse there.
...
>
> >[Written Constitutions]
> >
> >O'Brien
> >>
>
> But that's got nothing to do with the differences between countries
> with Written Constitutions and Britain.
>
...
But as you so clearly favour the latter, why do you continue
to continue live in Britain, and keep moaning on and on about it,
like somebody else we know ? Moan, moan, moan! Oh and did she
try and suck up to you too, Bozo, until she found out how old you
actually were? Hoot! Almost enough to make you vomit, isn't
it, eh ?
...
[ The Secret of O'Briens's Success]
adams
> >When *you* said it about *me*, I obviously knew it was *false*!
> >
> >Whereas when *I* say it about *you*, I have uncomfortable
> >suspicion that it may well indeed be *true*!
> >
> >Never exactly the sharpest knife in the box, now are you?
>
> I'm increasingly convinced that I got it right.
>
> You're getting more and more upset about this aren't you?
...
You're the one who can't even afford a facsimile edition of
Ulysses Bozo, - which *I* now know for a *fact*! Regardless of
whether anyone else can see its true significance. And you're
the one who gets so excited about downloading free stuff off the
Net. Most of which is rubbish. I never pay full price for Microsoft
stuff on principle Bozo, but only because I don't need support, and
fail to see why I should subsidise dummies who do.
...
>
> >> >> >[ O'Brien's Farm ]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Right you own land in Ireland. What is this, farm land ?
> >> >> >> > Who manages it for you?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> The house is let, the land is set.
> >>
> >> >What, so it's a fairly modern house then is it?
> >>
> >> If I remember correctly you had a problem with the term modern
before.
> >>
> >> What do you mean by modern?
>
> >Obviously something people would want to rent, dickhead!
>
> Try not to get so upset Michael.
>
> People will only think you're jealous
...
I'm not jealous at all. Least of all of your inability to
concoct a good story. Anyone trying to rent out a house in the
country i.e to commuters, would realise that the *first requirement*
would be that the house would need to be reasonably modern.
That's why I asked you the question. To see if you'd pick up on
this. Because your answer *should* have been -
" Of course it's modern dickhead, I couldn't let it otherwise! "
However you didn't say this did you? So that I've caught you out
in yet another lie, haven't I ?
...
>
> >[Conor The Teenager ]
> So you are 70 then?
>
> And only a bedsit in Hammersmith to show for it.
>
> No wonder you're bitter and upset.
...
No I'm not. And I've got no intention of being trolled
in telling you how old I actualy am either!
What I do find upsetting howver, is your seeming inability
to cococt a good story.
And what I am bitter about, is being taken for the kind of
eejit who'd be taken in by your nonsense. Beale lived in
Twickenham - surprise surprise - inmmediately afterward
we find you live in Richmond. Huh!
...
[Hammersmith]
> Yeah, changed a lot.
>
> But the Garryowen woukld have been your local wouldn't it?
...
No it wouldn't. I only mentined Hammersmith at all because
I'm fairly sure there was a Rowton House type lodging house there
many years ago. Its the nearest downmarket place I could think of.
Although its relatively upmarket nowadays of course.
...
>
[ James Joyce Knew his Grandad ]
> >
> >
> > You could always tell them all about your Ulysses First
> > Edition!
> >>
> It's on the reverse of the title page. It says:
>
> THIS EDITION IS LIMITED TO 1000 COPIES:100 COPIES ( SIGNED ) ON
> [...]251 TO 1000.
> >>
> >> No XX
> >>
> >> Where XX is the number of mine.
>
> >Oh really?
>
> Yes indeed. It's on the reverse of the Title page as I said.
No its not. Heres the caollation
Title Page page 7 (vii)
p. [vii], title-page;
Reverse of Title Page page 8 (viii)
p. [viii], copyright statement
Colophon Page page 9 (ix) - facing the reverse of title page
p. [ix], colophon: including "100 COPIES (SIGNED) ON
DUTCH HANDMADE Paper"
Its on the next page Bozo, page 9 (ix), not page 8 (viii) as
you claimed
This is further proven by the animation I gave you to look at!
Now never mind what anyone else thinks Bozo, *you* know and
*I* know that you've been caught out telling lies!
Its proven beyond doubt!
You're lying, pure and simple!
And you've beeen caught!
Red handed! In flagrente dellicto!
...
>
> >[time]
> >
> >o'brien
> >
> >> >> I know enough about this already.
> >
> >> >You know little enough to make nonsensical claims to the effect
> >> >that we use *time* to measure things.
> >
> >> Time is a concept that we use to measure things in our daily lives.
>
> >Oh really?
...
And so what exactly do we measure with "time", then?
Are you ever going to answer this question?
...
>
> The point is that time is understood differently in Physics.
>
> So in physics Time is an event smeared-out.
...
No its not! I quote -
start quote:
We are able to find planets by watching for suns that wobble.
Gluons and optics are smeared out *over space and time* and are
in a state of uncertainty. ...
www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/9958/gravity.html
:end quote
Its thing like Gluons and optics which are smeared out!
Not time itself, which is merely one dimension within the
space-time continum! Or are you now claiming that the Cape
Canaveral Laboratory know less about physics than you?
...
> In ordinary life Time is the hours and days and so on.
...
So what exactly do hours and days measure then?
Come on, answer!
michael
...
michael adams
> On 8 Sep 2003 02:40:56 -0700, mjad...@onetel.net.uk (michael adams)
> wrote:
>
>
> >[probabilility and horse racing ]
> >
> >[ this involves data for some 200,000 races]
> >
> >[ which is around 2,000 for each grade-distance combination.]
> >
> >> >> >So how exactly do you go about comparing 2,000 horses ?
> >>
> >> You're able to profile winners at the various distances and grades.
> >> There's a similarity between them.
>
them?
>
> grade.
...
Yes that's a minimum of 2000 horses
...
>
> >What sort of similarity?
>
> A similar profile.
...
You're claiming 2000 horses have a similar profile?
...
>
> >Yes but what Form Sources?
>
> Form books.
...
Published by who exactly?
...
>
[The Stock Market]
> >> >
> >> >> The point here is that all successful investors invest for the
Long
> >> >> Term.
> >>
> >> "Keynes outlined his investment principles thus:
> >>
> >> 2. A steadfast holding of these fairly large units through
> >> thick and thin, perhaps for several years,
>
...
So you're saying the long term may only amount to -
"perhaps for several years" then?
Because that's what Keynes is saying. Perhaps for several years.
And it also means he may invest for less than several years as
well.
Does it not?
...
>
> >[ O'Brien on English Traditional Dancing ]
> >
> >
> >> What I'm saying is that your example of Morris dancing versus
> >> Riverdance is just as stupid as all the rest of your arguments.
> >>
> >> There is a specific English tradition in the Arts and in
contemporary
> >> Arts too.
> >>
> >> It's that simple.
>
> >What's simple Bozo, is that if asked for their idea of
> >traditional English Dance most people would say Morris Dancing.
>
> The argument involves a great deal more than Riverdance and Morris
> Dancing.
>
> You contested the fact that the English have an identifiable
> tradition in the Arts.
...
Yes Morris Dancing for one! Which even in England happens to be a
lot less popular than Riverdance. Doesn't it?
Any normal Irish person would be proud of that fact. But not you,
because it doesn't fit with your sick twisted agenda. You'd sell
your own Country's achievments down the river, just for the sake of
winning an argument. You truly are beneath contempt!
...
> >> >[Written Constitutions]
> >> >
> >> >O'Brien
> >> >>
> >>
> >> But that's got nothing to do with the differences between countries
> >> with Written Constitutions and Britain.
>
> >But as you so clearly favour the latter, why do you continue
> >to continue live in Britain,
>
> The differences between countries in terms of their having a Written
> constitution or not exist irrespective of whether I or you live there
> or not.
>
...
No its not. If you really thought it made that much difference you'd
go and live in a country with a Written Constitution. As usual you're
shown up to be just a load of old blather. All talk and no action!
...
>
> >[ The Secret of O'Briens's Success]
> >
> >adams
> >
>
> >You're the one who can't even afford a facsimile edition of
> >Ulysses Bozo, -
>
> Funny then that I was able to quote the Dutch handmade paper reference
> then isn't it?
>
> If I'd googled like you I would just have been as wrong as you,
> wouldn't I?
...
You liar! Its all on there on the animation with the hands turning
the pages of an actual copy! You're wrong!
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
...
>
> >> >> >> >[ O'Brien's Farm ]
>
> Garbage!
>
> People in Ireland and elsewhere rent akll manner of properties.
...
Crap! Not the sort of rundown old 40's style kip you were likely
to inherit from some old batchelor uncle.
...
>
> >> >[Conor The Teenager ]
> >
> >> So you are 70 then?
> >>
> >> And only a bedsit in Hammersmith to show for it.
> >>
> >> No wonder you're bitter and upset.
>
> >No I'm not.
>
> So why were you making all sorts of excuses then for your obvious
> distress just a few days ago?
...
What distress? Anyway I eat lots of bananas with seratonin
precursors, so I don't get distressed! So up yours Bozo!
...
> >[Hammersmith]
> >
> >> Yeah, changed a lot.
> >>
> >> But the Garryowen woukld have been your local wouldn't it?
>
> >No it wouldn't. I only mentined Hammersmith at all because
> >I'm fairly sure there was a Rowton House type lodging house there
>
> You didn't mention Rowton House in connection with Hammersmith!
>
> You mentioned it in connection with Lower Richmond Road!
>
...
Yeah! And you're so "familiar" with Richmond, that you've only
just realised that there's not one there at all!
...
> So caught again.
>
> Your story falls part.
>
..
No yours does Bozo. Fancy not knowing there was no Rowton House
in Richmond! And you supposed to be the expert.
...
> >[ James Joyce Knew his Grandad ]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > You could always tell them all about your Ulysses First
> >> > Edition!
> >> >>
> >> It's on the reverse of the title page. It says:
> >>
> >> THIS EDITION IS LIMITED TO 1000 COPIES:100 COPIES ( SIGNED ) ON
> >> [...]251 TO 1000.
> >> >>
> >> >> No XX
> >> >>
> >> >> Where XX is the number of mine.
> >>
> >> >Oh really?
> >>
> >> Yes indeed. It's on the reverse of the Title page as I said.
> >
> >No its not. Heres the caollation
>
> >Title Page page 7 (vii)
> >
> >p. [vii], title-page;
> >
> >
> >Reverse of Title Page page 8 (viii)
> >
> >p. [viii], copyright statement
> >
> >
> >Colophon Page page 9 (ix) - facing the reverse of title page
> >
> >p. [ix], colophon: including "100 COPIES (SIGNED) ON
> > DUTCH HANDMADE Paper"
> >
> >Its on the next page Bozo, page 9 (ix), not page 8 (viii) as
> >you claimed
>
> I didn't give page numbers. I told you that it was on the reverse of
> the title page.
>
> So if you turn over the Title page it's staring straight at you.
>
> Recto!
...
Bollocks! The Verso is the reverse!
...
>
> That's what I meant and that's what a reasonable person would assume
...
Rubbish. This information is on the *next page*. Not on the reverse of
the title page. Which is what you said!
You've been caught!
No arguing!
End of story!
BTW you don't feel bullied or intimidated do you ?
Eh Bozo?
...
>
> The fact that I'm just looking at the actual book and giving you an
> ordinary language account is in fact the sort of thing that separates
> the truthful account from the manufactured account like yours.
> Way way too much detail in yours as against the more casual
> unconcerned account like mine.
...
You're not doing all this while in the cabin of your pleasure vessel,
by any chance are you?
...
>
> >> >[time]
> >> >
> >> >o'brien
> >> >
> >> >> >> I know enough about this already.
> >> >
> >> >> >You know little enough to make nonsensical claims to the effect
> >> >> >that we use *time* to measure things.
> >> >
> >> >> Time is a concept that we use to measure things in our daily
lives.
> >>
> >> >Oh really?
>
> >And so what exactly do we measure with "time", then?
>
> The cycles of the Earth round the Sun, Bozo!
...
No you don't. You measure those in days.
...
>
> >> The point is that time is understood differently in Physics.
> >>
> >> So in physics Time is an event smeared-out.
>
> >No its not! I quote -
>
> It is!
>
> >start quote:
> >
> >We are able to find planets by watching for suns that wobble.
> >Gluons and optics are smeared out *over space and time* and are
> >in a state of uncertainty. ...
> >
> >www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/9958/gravity.html
> >
> >:end quote
> >
> >Its thing like Gluons and optics which are smeared out!
> >Not time itself,
>
> There is no Time itself, as such, just events smeared-out.
>
...
So why does the Canaveral Laboaratory say Gluons and optics are
smeared out *over space and time, if time doesn't exist?
why doesn't it just say they're smeared out over space?
...
>
> >> In ordinary life Time is the hours and days and so on.
>
> The cycles of the Earth.
...
A moment ago you were positively insisting that time was used to
measure things
So are you now claiming that time is used to measure hours
and days etc?
michael
...
michael adams
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:30:59 +0100, "michael adams"
> <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
I see by the way, you've arranged some extra Physics tuition for
digital-books with Professor Beaky. That should keep him out of
trouble for a while anyway. Hoot!
...
>
>
> >> >[probabilility and horse racing ]
> >> >
> >> >[ this involves data for some 200,000 races]
> >> >
> >> >[ which is around 2,000 for each grade-distance combination.]
> >> >
>
>
> >You're claiming 2000 horses have a similar profile?
>
> In terms of what gives them the ability to win at the various
> distances and grades.
>
> Yes!
...
What so all 2000 horse who win races over a particular combination
of class and distance share feature in common do they?
What sort of features?
Could you give me an example of what you mean, perhaps ?
...
>
> >> >Yes but what Form Sources?
> >>
> >> Form books.
>
> >Published by who exactly?
>
> I was involved mostly in the DB programming.
>
> One of the other guys looked that end of things.
...
Oh right so you've split up. So there's no possibility of
asking him I suppose ?
Anyway that's two of you. What did the other four do?
...
[The Stock Market]
> The point here is that all successful investors invest for the
> Long Term.
...
By which it now turns out, you mean just five years. I see.
...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Keynes outlined his investment principles thus:
> >> >>
> >> >> 2. A steadfast holding of these fairly large units through
> >> >> thick and thin, perhaps for several years,
>
> >So you're saying the long term may only amount to -
> >"perhaps for several years" then?
>
> Obviously. A full cycle is only about five years!
...
Oh right so the "long term" now actually means just five years.
I see. I've got you now.
...
> >Because that's what Keynes is saying. Perhaps for several years.
> >And it also means he may invest for less than several years as
> >well.
>
> Less than several years only if you see that you bought a wrong'un.
>
> The point is that he like everyone else looks to the long-term and not
> the short-term as you claimed.
Yes for just five years.
....
>
[ O'Brien on English Traditional Dancing ]
> >> You contested the fact that the English have an identifiable
> >> tradition in the Arts.
>
> >Yes Morris Dancing for one! Which even in England happens to be a
> >lot less popular than Riverdance. Doesn't it?
>
> You contested the fact that the English have an identifiable tradition
> in the Arts.
...
I did no such thing. You claimed that English Culture dominated Irish
Culture in Britain. That Irish Culture was being oppressed. And I
proposed the Riverdance Morris Dancing example, to prove that you
were wrong.
Just utterly and totally wrong!
..
[Written Constitutions]
>
> >No its not. If you really thought it made that much difference you'd
> >go and live in a country with a Written Constitution.
>
> I've done that too. It just so happens I'm here at the moment and,
> still a country with a Written Constitution is different politically
> to one without, like Britain.
...
More shite! What you've lived in bedsits across the globe have you?
Travel to those on the coach as well did you eh? Yes! Thought I'd
forgotten that one didn't you? Those unguarded remarks. Oh no!
Oh no, no, no!
You've been caught!
More lies! That's all we ever get out of you, isn't it?
Lie, after lie, after lie!
The only places you've ever moved between, are Camden Town
and Shepherds Bush !
...
>
> >> >[ The Secret of O'Briens's Success]
> >> >
> >> >adams
> >> >
> >>
> >> >You're the one who can't even afford a facsimile edition of
> >> >Ulysses Bozo, -
> >>
> >> Funny then that I was able to quote the Dutch handmade paper
reference
> >> then isn't it?
> >>
> >> If I'd googled like you I would just have been as wrong as you,
> >> wouldn't I?
>
> >You liar! Its all on there on the animation with the hands turning
> >the pages of an actual copy! You're wrong!
>
> Turn the page and there it is as I said.
>
> On the reverse.
>
> Recto!
...
But you said the reverse. Verso! Don't lie.
...
[ O'Brien's Farm ]
> >>
> >> Garbage!
> >>
> >> People in Ireland and elsewhere rent akll manner of properties.
>
> >Crap! Not the sort of rundown old 40's style kip you were likely
> >to inherit from some old batchelor uncle.
>
> Rubbish. The country is crawling with all sorts of European hippies
> and all the rest who love all that stuff.
...
That just shows how much you know then doesn't it. Have you ever
tried to get rent out of these hippies Bozo ?
Do you know how you'd be viewed by your neighbors, even if you
could? Or is it mainly old run down old kips where you come from
anyway?
...
>
> Mine, as you expect, is a rather more substantial property than would
> be suitable for a family home, in any event.
>
...
Oh right. Its the sort that avoided destruction during the
Troubles then ?
...
> >> >> >[Conor The Teenager ]
> >> >
> >> >> So you are 70 then?
> >> >>
> >> >> And only a bedsit in Hammersmith to show for it.
> >> >>
> >> >> No wonder you're bitter and upset.
> >>
> >> >No I'm not.
> >>
> >> So why were you making all sorts of excuses then for your obvious
> >> distress just a few days ago?
>
> >What distress? Anyway I eat lots of bananas with seratonin
> >precursors, so I don't get distressed! So up yours Bozo!
>
> It's nice that you have a natural substitute for when the chemist is
> closed and you can't get your prescription dispensed.
...
Us veggies never need go near that chemical muck in the first place
Bozo. We have clear consciences. What's more we're not stuffing
ourselves full of these antibiotics, growth promoters, and hormones
they pump into cattle. We're not storing up trouble for ourselves.
bozo, unlike you lot.
...
>
> >> >[Hammersmith]
> >> >
> >> >> Yeah, changed a lot.
> >> >>
> >> >> But the Garryowen woukld have been your local wouldn't it?
> >>
> >> >No it wouldn't. I only mentined Hammersmith at all because
> >> >I'm fairly sure there was a Rowton House type lodging house there
> >>
> >> You didn't mention Rowton House in connection with Hammersmith!
> >>
> >> You mentioned it in connection with Lower Richmond Road!
>
> >Yeah! And you're so "familiar" with Richmond, that you've only
> >just realised that there's not one there at all!
>
> It was your mistake not mine.
...
I simply set a trap for you, and you fell straight in.
..
>
> >> >[ James Joyce Knew his Grandad ]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You could always tell them all about your Ulysses First
> >> >> > Edition!
> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> So if you turn over the Title page it's staring straight at you.
> >>
> >> Recto!
>
> >Bollocks! The Verso is the reverse!
>
> I meant when you turn the page obviously, there it is looking at you.
>
> >> That's what I meant and that's what a reasonable person would
assume
>
> >Rubbish. This information is on the *next page*. Not on the reverse
of
> >the title page. Which is what you said!
>
> Yes it's Recto!
>
> I said that too.
...
No you didn't! You said it was on the reverse. Verso!
...
> >BTW you don't feel bullied or intimidated do you ?
>
> It might be worth it just to see what theories Cat can come up with.
>
> She's very clever you know.
...
Well she now claims she's an N4 culchie from County Kidare.
But with the central heating installed of course.
The Mountainy Woman of Maynooth!
Forsooth.
...
> The fact that I'm just looking at the actual book and giving you an
> ordinary language account is in fact the sort of thing that separates
> the truthful account from the manufactured account like yours.
> >
> Way way too much detail in yours as against the more casual
> unconcerned account like mine.
>
...
[time]
o'brien
> >> >> >> >> I know enough about this already.
> >>
> >> >And so what exactly do we measure with "time", then?
> >>
> >> The cycles of the Earth round the Sun, Bozo!
>
> >No you don't. You measure those in days.
>
> And parts thereof you total dumbo.
...
Yes indeed days, hours, minutes, seconds etc.
I just didn't want to bore you with all the detail.
But where exactly does measuring these cycles with "time",
fit into all this ?
...
> >> >> The point is that time is understood differently in Physics.
> >> >>
> >> >> So in physics Time is an event smeared-out.
> >>
>
> >So why does the Canaveral Laboaratory say Gluons and optics are
> >smeared out *over space and time, if time doesn't exist?
> >
> >why doesn't it just say they're smeared out over space?
>
> Because in part they're some of the events that are smeared-out, that
> make up the thing we call Time.
...
I'm sorry I don't quite follow you here.
So you're now saying that Time itself is smeared-out over space
and Time ?
...
>
> >> >> In ordinary life Time is the hours and days and so on.
> >>
> >> The cycles of the Earth.
>
> >A moment ago you were positively insisting that time was used to
> >measure things
> >
> >So are you now claiming that time is used to measure hours
> >and days etc?
>
> In ordinary human life it is.
...
How is time used to measure hours and days? I thought days
were measured by the relative position of points on the earth
in relation to the sun. What has time got to do with any of this?
michael
...
michael adams
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:20:40 +0100, "michael adams"
> <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
Your marked homework will be returned to you later.
However if I don't very soon start seeing a marked improvement
in your attitude, then you leave me no option. My posts are
archived even if yours are not. So there'll be no more of
these coach trips for you!
Hope this doesn't ruin your morning for you anyway.
So just a little more co-operation. That's all it takes.
...
Mother settles piracy case
David Teather in New York
Thursday September 11, 2003
The Guardian
American music industry officials have agreed to settle
a copyright infringement lawsuit against a 12-year-old New
York girl for $2,000 (£1,258).
The announcement of the settlement came a day after the Manhattan
schoolgirl, Brianna LaHara, was identified in the US media as a
target of the Recording Industry Association of America's first
wave of lawsuits aimed at cracking down on internet piracy.
In a statement, the RIAA said it had reached a settlement with
the schoolgirl's mother, Sylvia Torres.
In an apparent attempt not to turn Ms LaHara into a cause célèbre,
the statement included an apology from her for downloading music
from the peer-to-peer service Kazaa. "I am sorry for what I have
done," she said. "I love music and don't want to hurt the artists
I love."
She could have faced fines of up to $150,000 for each copyright
infringement.
Mitch Bainwol, chairman and chief executive of the RIAA, said:
"We're trying to send a strong message that you are not anonymous
when you participate in peer-to-peer file sharing and that the
illegal distribution of copyrighted music has consequences. As
this case illustrates, parents need to be aware of what their
children are doing on their computers."
Ms LaHara had more than 1,000 copyrighted songs stored on her computer
hard drive. By using the desktop file-sharing programme, the songs were
available for other users to copy for free.
According to court papers she had copied songs from other computer
users including Madonna's Material Girl, Dido's Here with Me and Paula
Abdul's Opposites Attract.
The first wave of suits has also included a Yale University photography
professor, two New York University students, a music programmer for a
commercial radio station and a 71-year-old Texan grandfather.
The RIAA has said that thousands of other suits could be filed.
:end quote
There's no escape Bozo, no escape.
michael adams
honesty is the best policy
at least if there's any liklihood of getting caught
...
michael adams
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:50:04 +0100, "michael adams"
> <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
>
> >Mother settles piracy case
> >
> >David Teather in New York
> >Thursday September 11, 2003
> >The Guardian
> >
> >American music industry officials have agreed to settle
> >a copyright infringement lawsuit against a 12-year-old New
> >York girl for $2,000 (£1,258).
> >
> >The announcement of the settlement came a day after the Manhattan
> >schoolgirl, Brianna LaHara, was identified in the US media as a
> >target of the Recording Industry Association of America's first
> >wave of lawsuits aimed at cracking down on internet piracy.
> >
>
> That case wasn't heard in Court.
>
> All the RIAA are trying to do is frighten people and it just shows
> what scum they are that they would threaten a 12yo girl like that.
>
> The greedy fucks are getting very desperate now but there is no doubt
> that a combination of the new technology and a few Court cases will
> change Copyright Law and then those scumbags will really lose big
> time.
...
So you *are* wiling to pay something, then ?
...
>
> That's always the way it happens.
>
> They're just trying to stave off the inevitable rather than working
> with and trying to make the best of it.
>
> That approach will ensure that they lose even more than otherwise they
> might have done.
...
There's a serious issue of intellectual property rights here.
Simply because the music industry cannot prevent piracy that
doesn't make it right.
This also brings up the wider issue of the proliferation of
production sources, and its likely overall effect on
quality.
In the old days when you only had network TV you could be
reasonably sure that they'd devote at least some resouces
to securing the best programming ad the best artists. They'd
be a magnet for anyone - or their agents - with sufficeint
talent to merit natinal exposure. Difficult to believe but still.
So that you had some chance of seeing the best of whatever there
was available. Also with restricted sources you moulded your
taste to what was available. Nowadaye you have a plethora of TV
channels producing under-resourced pap and rubbish fighting for
your attention. So that now if you want watch quality TV, what
do you do? Quality TV has been diluted to the point where its
almost non-existent
And the exact same with the Music industry. With a conecentration
of production among just a few companies, one can expect these
to attract the best talent (yes, well), these artists are properly
promoted and the public become aware of their existence. Without
this the good arists will simply be swallowed up in a sea of indifferent
perfomers, all competeing for a finite amout of public attention.
Destroy the music industry and that's what will happen. Without
the resources, and the capital behind them, small companies can't
go out scouring every gig for talent, or spending on promotion.
And so you'll just end up with a nation of pub bands, putting
their songs on the Net for a devoted audience numbering in the
hundreds. And them alone.
michael
...
michael adams
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Fealsamh
"Conor Booze O Brien" <conor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:42:16 +0100, "michael adams"
> <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
>
> >> >Mother settles piracy case
> >> >
> >> >David Teather in New York
> >> >Thursday September 11, 2003
> >> >The Guardian
> >> >
> >> >American music industry officials have agreed to settle
> >> >a copyright infringement lawsuit against a 12-year-old New
> >> >York girl for $2,000 (£1,258).
> >> >
> >> >The announcement of the settlement came a day after the Manhattan
> >> >schoolgirl, Brianna LaHara, was identified in the US media as a
> >> >target of the Recording Industry Association of America's first
> >> >wave of lawsuits aimed at cracking down on internet piracy.
> >> >
> >>
> >> That case wasn't heard in Court.
> >>
> >> All the RIAA are trying to do is frighten people and it just shows
> >> what scum they are that they would threaten a 12yo girl like that.
> >>
> >> The greedy fucks are getting very desperate now but there is no doubt
> >> that a combination of the new technology and a few Court cases will
> >> change Copyright Law and then those scumbags will really lose big
> >> time.
>
>
>
> The point here is that the Record Industry has been fucking people for
> years by charging exhorbitantly for CD's and so on.
Yes $20 for a CD is a bit much. I don't like forking over that kind of money
only to find out that there are only one or two songs that are any good on
it and the rest are just filler. When that happens, I feel ripped off.
>
> The point is that they've done that for so long that they got used to
> the massive revenue and profits, and acted accordingly.
>
> What they really need to be doing now is realising that those days are
> over and cut back on what they pay to their Stars and so on. They've
> been paid far too much for years too.
The major recording artists make most of their money through financial
investments, concerts, commercial endorsements, band t-shirts, key chains
and other fan stuff not so much from the selling of music. It is the record
companies that make the most of their money from the selling of music so it
is understandable that they would more upset by this pirating than the
artists would be. Artists don't get rich by selling music alone. I don't
think that pirating is solely responsible for the dip in music sells though.
I think other factors are at play such as an aging population that buys less
music and more crappy music being made. I think these two other factors have
hit music sales hard.
> Some of the major recording artists are worth in excess of half a
> billion pounds. It's much too much for what they do. That indicates
> that there's a fuckup in the market and as far as I'm concerned new
> technology like Internet sharing is rectifying that.
I can think of some other professions where people get paid too much for
what they do. Namely CEOs, Sports Stars, Hollywood Stars, Lawyers, and some
hi-tech geeks.
> New technology. New means of Distribution. Swings and Roundabouts.
> They won massively the last time. They're losing out this time.
The recording industry has missed the boat this time when it has come to new
technology. This will be proabably be a none issue ten years from now.
Fealsamh