Introduction (Gulp) - Long
The Hellwigs
their pee, crushed all the empties and put them in the recycling bin
(wondering if my husband will actually *believe* I didn't drink all that
Guinness by myself, but I guess when he sees the scratch marks on my
legs and hears the snoring dogs, he'll have no choice, right? Good
doggies.)
So, I'd like to formally introduce myself if I may. I'm Lisa, I live in
Northern Illinois (expatriate Hoosier, though). What I know about
Ireland comes from books - and when you combine Tim Pat Coogan with
Maeve Binchy, you end up confused more than anything. I can't really
call myself Irish-American, because I have no idea when my Cunningham
ancestors first got here, but I know that my g-g-g-grandfather
Cunningham was born in Kentucky, so it must have been at least 1
generation before him...and I've traced the McElfresh's back as far as
the 1700s in Maryland, so they've been here awhile too. The other
ancestors came from Germany, also in the 1700s, so any psychic "link" to
the motherland (or fatherland, depending on which side I'm talking
about) would be pure romantic fantasy on my part. (And I have better
romantic fantasies to dream of than...well, never mind.)
I started lurking here for several reasons...1) I watched the movie
"Michael Collins" on cable, and realized that I know squat about
Ireland. (Cynical friends have pointed out to me that normal women
would watch "Michael Collins" and begin to obsess over Liam Neeson, but
no, I had to obsess over Irish history!) 2) Reading about Collins and
the Anglo-Irish War, I realized there are a lot of parallels between the
IRB/IRA and the American Indian Movement (AIM), and since I've been sort
of involved in Native American stuff here for the past 5+ years, I
thought hanging out here would perhaps clue me in a little, so I could
find even more parallels. I found the most important parallel very
early on; it appears that the Irish and NA's both have a great, sick,
twisted sense of humor, and I'm all for that. And the Irish have soda
bread while the NAs have fry bread. Oh, and neither group has patience
for wannabes - as in "I wannabe Ind'n" or "I wanna be Irish". And god
help the idiot who comes here with a Lucky Charms accent longing for
leprechauns - the reaction is very similar to the reception given to
those in Indiana Country who show up speaking stilted English and
claiming to be a pipe-carrier ('cause, you know, they paid $500 for a
gen-yoo-ine Shaman (TM) to teach them about the sacred pipe.)
So, I'll probably still just lurk a lot, since I just want to learn.
But I'm sure at some point I'll make some snotty, smart-assed response
to someone and thought it would be nice if I wasn't a total stranger.
(Because it's always more fun to flame someone you know instead of a
total stranger, right?)
Thanks!
Lisa Ann
damn, some of the dogs just woke up - back to beer-can duty....
--
_______________________________________________________
"Hope is the ability to hear the music of the future.
Faith is the courage to dance to it today."
________________________________________________________
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>call myself Irish-American, because I have no idea when my Cunningham
>ancestors first got here, but I know that my g-g-g-grandfather
>Cunningham was born in Kentucky, so it must have been at least 1
>generation before him...
& bear in mind the Cunninghams might have come from Scotland ;
--
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin abardubh at wwa dot com
http://www.wwa.com/~abardubh/
"Let not the Old Glen be harmed,
The place of the slabs of heaven" ~Colmcille
jak...@my-dejanews.com
lhe...@interaccess.com wrote:
> So, I'd like to formally introduce myself if I may. I'm Lisa, I live in
> Northern Illinois (expatriate Hoosier, though).
(snip)
first thing you have to learn, Lisa, is to "snip".
I can't really
> call myself Irish-American, because I have no idea when my Cunningham
> ancestors first got here, but I know that my g-g-g-grandfather
> Cunningham was born in Kentucky, (snip)
Have you met Gerard??
(snip cogent observations about the inner workings of this NG and some
personal history)
One comment, though, if you *just* obssessed over Irish history and *not* Liam
Niesson....there is something seriously wrong with you, girl!
> So, I'll probably still just lurk a lot, since I just want to learn.
Best thing you can do...but don't be shy either. This is "rotating eejit"
territory. Nobody stays there permanently.
> But I'm sure at some point I'll make some snotty, smart-assed response
> to someone and thought it would be nice if I wasn't a total stranger.
> (Because it's always more fun to flame someone you know instead of a
> total stranger, right?)
Welcome, Lisa.
--jake "Tu's maith leath na h-oibre."
(Iacoibin) "A good beginning is 1/2 the work."
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Rose
>
> In article <363506...@interaccess.com>,
> lhe...@interaccess.com wrote:
>
> > So, I'd like to formally introduce myself if I may. I'm Lisa, I live in
> > Northern Illinois (expatriate Hoosier, though).
> (snip)
Whereabouts in Indiana? And Illinois for that matter. I live about two
hours from Chicago and Ger Cunningham is currently living in Chicago.
Everyone out here knows that I work at Notre Dame.
> One comment, though, if you *just* obssessed over Irish history and *not* Liam
> Niesson....there is something seriously wrong with you, girl!
Oh, into Liam, are you, Jake? (I've noticed that Irish actors are
really in demand in Hollywood these days.)
> > So, I'll probably still just lurk a lot, since I just want to learn.
>
> Best thing you can do...but don't be shy either. This is "rotating eejit"
> territory. Nobody stays there permanently.
Outside of a couple of people that I can think of.
Your best bet is to answer some posts that are relatively safe, i.e.,
the pet contest, things about TV, etc.
> > But I'm sure at some point I'll make some snotty, smart-assed response
> > to someone and thought it would be nice if I wasn't a total stranger.
> > (Because it's always more fun to flame someone you know instead of a
> > total stranger, right?)
Sounds to me like you'll fit right in.
> Welcome, Lisa.
Ditto.
Rose
The Hellwigs
(snip - did I do this right, Jake?)
> Have you met Gerard??
Yes, we've already met on another thread, musing on whether his cannibal
Cunninghams could have dined on one of my vanishing Cunninghams, and if
so, does he owe me super-alimony or just a really big dinner charge?
>
> (snip cogent observations about the inner workings of this NG and some
> personal history)
>
> One comment, though, if you *just* obssessed over Irish history and *not* Liam
> Niesson....there is something seriously wrong with you, girl!
That's between me and Liam, if you don't mind. :)
> > So, I'll probably still just lurk a lot, since I just want to learn.
>
> Best thing you can do...but don't be shy either. This is "rotating eejit"
> territory. Nobody stays there permanently.
Hmm...does this mean we take turns being the eejit du jour, or that
we're rotating in circles? 'Cause I already have problems with
dizziness...
(my lame reason for introducing myself snipped)
> Welcome, Lisa.
Thank you jake.
Lisa Ann
The Hellwigs
>
> The Hellwigs wrote:
>
> >call myself Irish-American, because I have no idea when my Cunningham
> >ancestors first got here, but I know that my g-g-g-grandfather
> >generation before him...
>
> & bear in mind the Cunninghams might have come from Scotland ;
>
> --
> Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin abardubh at wwa dot com
Which they probably did, prior to getting to Ireland. I guess,
technically, I'm of Scots-Irish heritage...I know the McElfreshes were,
anyway. (Although the name wasn't spelled McElfresh over there, Ithink
it was MacElfish or something like that...)
Lisa Ann
--
Alan D Red
>The Hellwigs wrote:
>>call myself Irish-American, because I have no idea when my Cunningham
>>ancestors first got here, but I know that my g-g-g-grandfather
>>Cunningham was born in Kentucky, so it must have been at least 1
>>generation before him...
>& bear in mind the Cunninghams might have come from Scotland ;
>
>--
>Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin abardubh at wwa dot com
>http://www.wwa.com/~abardubh/
>"Let not the Old Glen be harmed,
>The place of the slabs of heaven" ~Colmcille
Are you related to Lord Conyngham [from Donegal,
Aranmore???]
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>Are you related to Lord Conyngham [from Donegal,
>Aranmore???]
Do you mean the boy from Slane?
At any rate, the answer is No. Or at least, not in the last 300 years
at any rate. TBH, I'm not sure where the Cunningham name came from.
It may be Scottish, OTOH it may be an anglicisation of a
similar-sounding Irish name. There are several candidates.
Brendan Heading
<lhe...@interaccess.com> writes
>no, I had to obsess over Irish history!) 2) Reading about Collins and
>the Anglo-Irish War, I realized there are a lot of parallels between the
>IRB/IRA and the American Indian Movement (AIM),
I have a book by Ward Churchill in front of me, where he basically
claims that the America is akin to Nazi Germany. The statistics and
research are impeccable, but does that mean he is right ? You decide. I
guess if you are the kind of person who supports that stuff..
> and since I've been sort
>of involved in Native American stuff here for the past 5+ years,
How many innocent people have the AIM killed ? I know of gunfights
between them and the FBI (eg the famous Leonard Peltier case) ..
The IRA here are mostly (not everywhere, but mostly) thought of in the
same way as the people in the US who blow up abortion clinics.
> And the Irish have soda
>bread while the NAs have fry bread. Oh, and neither group has patience
>for wannabes - as in "I wannabe Ind'n" or "I wanna be Irish".
Nope, this ain't the case for the IRA. The IRA got a hell of a lot of
it's money from Irish America. If it wasn't for Irish America the IRA
would barely exist.
--
Brendan Heading
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"Isn't it about time we made life better for ordinary Irish
people instead of giving them rosary beads and telling them
to pray ?" - Noel Browne
Brendan Heading
<lhe...@interaccess.com> writes
>> >call myself Irish-American, because I have no idea when my Cunningham
>> >ancestors first got here, but I know that my g-g-g-grandfather
>> >Cunningham was born in Kentucky, so it must have been at least 1
>> >generation before him...
>>
>> & bear in mind the Cunninghams might have come from Scotland ;
>
>Which they probably did, prior to getting to Ireland.
Ach, jaysis. Someone else tell her.
Gavin Bailey
<lhe...@interaccess.com> wrote:
>> & bear in mind the Cunninghams might have come from Scotland ;
>>
>> --
>> Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin abardubh at wwa dot com
>
>
>Which they probably did, prior to getting to Ireland. I guess,
>technically, I'm of Scots-Irish heritage...I know the McElfreshes were,
>anyway. (Although the name wasn't spelled McElfresh over there, Ithink
>it was MacElfish or something like that...)
Tons of Cunninghams in England. I should know, I'm related to a stack
of them. But hey, they're not that fashionable anyway.
Gavin Bailey
--
Fochinell
"Ancient Scots warcry" painted on the side of a Spitfire Mk XIV in 1944
- presumably without Air Ministry approval.
cris
<713e6n$ugn$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Welcome, Lisa.
Ditto. Though there's something about your last name that makes me jump
every time :)
cris
Madra Dubh
-Conway
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Madra Dubh
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Brendan Heading
<m...@worldnet.att.net> writes
>Oh God, Brendan, put a sock in it.
I wasn't agreeing with Churchill (he's an extreme far out lunatic) but I
was just making the point that we have our extreme lunatics over here as
well.. the opinions to be found in an Phoblacht/Republican News are the
equivalent to the kind of thing that Churchill writes (eg well
researched but unfortunately misleading stats; misrepresentation of
certain arguments; emotional rhetoric etc).
The Hellwigs
>
(my observation of parallels between AIM and the IRA snipped)
>
> I have a book by Ward Churchill in front of me, where he basically
> claims that the America is akin to Nazi Germany. The statistics and
> research are impeccable, but does that mean he is right ? You decide. I
> guess if you are the kind of person who supports that stuff..
You must have a copy of "A Little Matter of Genocide", I think that's
the one where Ward really goes into how policies towards American
Indians formed the basis for Hitler's Final Solution. His research
appears impeccable, but he's reaching a little with that one; there's no
concrete evidence that Hitler, Himmler et al based their actions on
American Policy. (Oh, and I've read another post you wrote after this
one, where you say that you think Ward is a far-out lunatic. Possibly.
Read more of his books, though, and you'll see that he doesn't advocate
violence except for reason of defense. Read "Agents of Repression", if
you haven't already, for a better explanation of AIM, and AIM's early
beliefs. "Indians R Us" and "Fantasies of the Master Race" are also
good.)
And I guess this is the part where I admit that I've known Ward for
several years, right?
>
> > and since I've been sort
> >of involved in Native American stuff here for the past 5+ years,
>
> How many innocent people have the AIM killed ? I know of gunfights
> between them and the FBI (eg the famous Leonard Peltier case) ...
And here's where I admit to being a Leonard Peltier Support Group
coordinator? Admitted.
As for "innocent"...well, I've never considered those 2 FBI agents very
innocent. Pawns perhaps, but not lily-white. And beyond those two
agents, I can't think of anyone - innocent or guilty - whose death was
attributable to AIM.
>
> The IRA here are mostly (not everywhere, but mostly) thought of in the
> same way as the people in the US who blow up abortion clinics.
Hmmm...okay, I can see that. And how are the other paramilitary groups
thought of - in the same way?
AIM essentially disarmed after Oglala (the Peltier shootout.) Nowadays
they spend most of their time working in the communities, helping with
education, medical clinics, etc. They hold the occasional protest
parade (Columbus Day is pretty good for that), but...the lunatic days
are pretty much over.
>
> > And the Irish have soda
> >bread while the NAs have fry bread. Oh, and neither group has patience
> >for wannabes - as in "I wannabe Ind'n" or "I wanna be Irish".
>
> Nope, this ain't the case for the IRA. The IRA got a hell of a lot of
> it's money from Irish America. If it wasn't for Irish America the IRA
> would barely exist.
I was thinking more a long the lines of how this newsgroup would react
to someone who came in here, announcing that I just *knew* I had a
spiritual/psychic/emotional connection because my g-g-g-gramma was an
Irish princess, because I love leprachauns and shamrocks, and "Toora
Loora Loo" is my favorite song. I know on alt.native and
soc.culture.native, anyone stupid enough to post the NA equivalent - "I
was Indian in a former life, my gramma was a Cherokee Princess, I was
taught by this medicine man (who no one in Indian Country has *ever*
heard of), I carry a pipe" gets flamed pretty fast and hard. And if
they survive the experience and get their head out of their ass and
learn, then they may eventually be accepted.
I don't think I have any romatnic illusions about Ireland or the Irish,
I'm mainly curious.
The Hellwigs
> Whereabouts in Indiana? And Illinois for that matter. I live about two
> hours from Chicago and Ger Cunningham is currently living in Chicago.
> Everyone out here knows that I work at Notre Dame.
>
So you're in the South Bend/Elkhart area? I'm west of Chicago - about
50 miles, just a little south of Wisconsin, in Lake in the Hills.
And I was born and raised in Indianapolis.
The Hellwigs
>
Hellwig? What's to make you jump?
ACooper213
>And I was born and raised in Indianapolis.
So that's where the Indian interest comes from....from cruising the TeePee.
We share roots.
Tony aka: ACoop...@aol.com
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>jak...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
><713e6n$ugn$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>>Welcome, Lisa.
>
>
>Ditto. Though there's something about your last name that makes me jump
>every time :)
Especially as she's a merkin.
--
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin abardubh at wwa dot com
jak...@my-dejanews.com
lhe...@interaccess.com wrote:
> Brendan Heading wrote:
> >
>
> (my observation of parallels between AIM and the IRA snipped)
> >
> > I have a book by Ward Churchill in front of me, where he basically
> > claims that the America is akin to Nazi Germany. The statistics and
> > research are impeccable, but does that mean he is right ? You decide. I
> > guess if you are the kind of person who supports that stuff..
>
> You must have a copy of "A Little Matter of Genocide", I think that's
> the one where Ward really goes into how policies towards American
> Indians formed the basis for Hitler's Final Solution.
> I'm mainly curious.
Point: Lisa Ann. Mr. Heading now serving.... ?
--jake "Tu/s maith leath na h-oibre."
Gregory
> In article <715k61$n...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Madra Dubh
> <m...@worldnet.att.net> writes
> >Oh God, Brendan, put a sock in it.
>
> I wasn't agreeing with Churchill (he's an extreme far out lunatic) but I
> was just making the point that we have our extreme lunatics over here as
> well.. the opinions to be found in an Phoblacht/Republican News are the
> equivalent to the kind of thing that Churchill writes (eg well
> researched but unfortunately misleading stats; misrepresentation of
> certain arguments; emotional rhetoric etc).
Bullshit you are the eejit who had the West Belfast constituency in
South Belfast and the *richest* part of Belfast at that. I mean the
other NG members can use their imagination to classify the accuracy of
your pontificating "expert" posts to this list.
I mean you talk about events you didn't attend and post exaggerated or
untruthful rubbish about them. You had disabled people as mad dog
republicans in your post on St Patrick's Day in Belfast. Which I went to
and you didn't.
>
> --
> Brendan Heading
> NB: Please remove spamguard to reply
Your party unquestionably had/has an alliance with Paisley's DUP. I
don't think you re in a position to criticise.
Gregory
Gregory
> Nope, this ain't the case for the IRA. The IRA got a hell of a lot of
> it's money from Irish America. If it wasn't for Irish America the IRA
> would barely exist.
>
> --
> Brendan Heading
> NB: Please remove spamguard to reply
Change that to LIBYA and cut out the hyperbole. The Boss Ragtop was
donating cash before he donated anything difficult to carry. The primary
reason we have an IRA is that Brit soldiers tried to decapitate
civilians in the street and acted like depraved child killing savages.
It was that simple.
Gregory
--
x
Gregory
> The IRA here are mostly (not everywhere, but mostly) thought of in the
> same way as the people in the US who blow up abortion clinics.
Not in this half of Ireland's second city which you are supposed to live
in and you even albeit temporarily had a core republican (poor)
constituency not in West Belfast but on the Malone Road which is really
not the Downtown LA of Belfast it is the *richest* part and has a
*Unionist* MP and is in South Belfast. The IRA are *very* popular as you
should know if you know anything which I doubt at times. Go live with
Tom McVey he is a perfect match for you.
Gregory
Sutal
In article <363506...@interaccess.com>, The wrote:
<long familiar sounding intro snipped>
>Lisa Ann
>
>damn, some of the dogs just woke up - back to beer-can duty....
Welcome Lisa. (History repeats itself - at least in SCI.) ....looking in a
mirror.....
I would like to offer to help you through any potential difficulties you have
in getting oriented to this newsgroup. In return for my assistance I'd like to
ask a wee favor out of you.
Perhaps you have been browsing the various threads related to the SCI Dog
Contest? If not, may I suggest that you read through them, and acquaint
yourself with the campaign literature you'll find there? You'll find a message
that tells you where to *view* the dogs as well as how to vote.
I can save you all that trouble though, because you don't really need to *look*
at the contestants first. Trust me. I'm your first friend here in SCI, and my
judgement is generally RIGHT ON. I've thought a lot about this competition,
and concluded * Sadie * deserves the honor.
No doubt you'll agree with me, so why waste all that time waiting for the
photos to download on the contest website when I can just LEAD you through the
process???
Voting deadline is Halloween, so better get busy.
(I'm serious about the offer of "cyber friendship" ... email me (su...@aol.com)
if you start to freak out. :o) ...... nervous?
~~~ Are we there yet? ~~~
Hockersmith
> Welcome Lisa. (History repeats itself - at least in SCI.) ....looking
in a
> mirror.....
> I would like to offer to help you through any potential difficulties you
have
> in getting oriented to this newsgroup. In return for my assistance I'd
like to
> ask a wee favor out of you.
Sutal! You gotta take a break, girl. You're gonna wear yourself out and
then who'll help Sadie up the stairs??? Sadie needs you...Lisa will be
just fine. As long as she doesn't try any of that *belly
scratching/rubbing* stuff that Terry suggested! Don't offer to rub
ANYTHING right away, Lisa...just pour the hounds a beer. :)
KateH
The Hellwigs
> (warm message of friendship offered in exchange for my vote snipped)
Hmmm...now, is this contest like a Chicago election (dead folks get to
vote too)? 'Cause I sent Gerard my vote earlier this evening, and have
already received his acknowledgement...but you know, I bet I could
channel both my grandparents and cast *their* votes...it'd just *look*
like I was voting several times, because they'd have to use my address;
we buried them with a solar powered laptop and their email account was
disabled because Gramma kept sending "Make Money Fast" posts
out...Grampa kept trolling various newsgroups (not this one, I'm
sure...almost), and the eternal light that was powering the lap top
burned out...
But it would be their vote, honest. Not mine. And I would certainly
*never* dishonor my grandparents by stooping so low as to lodge a fake
vote in their names. (Gramma has a nasty backhand, even as a ghost)
simply to win someone's friendship...
And I know it's limited to folks on s.c.i., but I'm serious here, cross
my heart, when I'm channeling them (our only means of communications,
since they've been booted off every ISP in the Western Hemisphere) it's
just *like* they're reading it...
Gerard? Can you let me know if they can vote? I promise not to let
Grampa take control of my hands again, making me type obnoxious
bullshit,honest.
That could be a record for me...using the word "honest" that many times
in a single post that wasn't discussing Bill Clinton and his lack
thereof...
Yer Mon
>Or Lady Coyningham, Mistress to some English King?
Or Larry Cunningham who couldn't sing?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tiocfaidh ár mná
Dermo
Yer Mon
>Oh God, Brendan, put a sock in it.
>-Conway
A sock? More like the full contents of Alan Red's washing machine...
Alan D Red
>The Hellwigs wrote:
>>call myself Irish-American, because I have no idea when my Cunningham
>>ancestors first got here, but I know that my g-g-g-grandfather
>>Cunningham was born in Kentucky, so it must have been at least 1
>>generation before him...
>& bear in mind the Cunninghams might have come from Scotland ;
>
>--
>Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin abardubh at wwa dot com
>http://www.wwa.com/~abardubh/
>"Let not the Old Glen be harmed,
>The place of the slabs of heaven" ~Colmcille
cris
>Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin wrote:
>> cris wrote:
>> >jak...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
>> ><713e6n$ugn$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> >
>> >>Welcome, Lisa.
>> >Ditto. Though there's something about your last name
>> >that makes me jump every time :)
>Hellwig? What's to make you jump?
It's the plural :) There is an incredibly horrible German folk duo of
sisters in dirndls which are called Hellwigs. I put my cat (for which I
encourage you to vote, of course) out on the balcony whenever they're heard
on TV, because exposing her to that would be a serious case of cruelty to
animals. But don't worry, in time I'll be able to suppress the painful jerk
that hits me whenever I read the news adress :)
cris
cris
Rose
>
> Rose wrote:
> > Whereabouts in Indiana? And Illinois for that matter. I live about two
> > hours from Chicago and Ger Cunningham is currently living in Chicago.
> > Everyone out here knows that I work at Notre Dame.
> >
>
> So you're in the South Bend/Elkhart area? I'm west of Chicago - about
> 50 miles, just a little south of Wisconsin, in Lake in the Hills.
>
>
Talk about a small world. At this rate, we could have our own SCI pub
meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
Rose
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>Talk about a small world. At this rate, we could have our own SCI pub
>meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
Name yer date..
Terry McT.
> Rose wrote:
>
> >Talk about a small world. At this rate, we could have our own SCI pub
> >meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
>
> Name yer date..
>
How about "Bob"?
--
Terry
tam...@usl.edu
The Hellwigs
I've never liked "Bob"...how about "Jack"?
Lisa
Brendan Heading
<lhe...@interaccess.com> writes
>> I have a book by Ward Churchill in front of me, where he basically
>> claims that the America is akin to Nazi Germany. The statistics and
>> research are impeccable, but does that mean he is right ? You decide. I
>> guess if you are the kind of person who supports that stuff..
>
>You must have a copy of "A Little Matter of Genocide",
Indians R Us actually, and a few friends who have been to his lectures.
>I think that's
>the one where Ward really goes into how policies towards American
>Indians formed the basis for Hitler's Final Solution. His research
>appears impeccable,
He misleads people with dodgy facts. I quoted a few of them on this
newsgroup without really thinking about what they were. For example the
citation on the native population gleaned from the 1920 census, saying
that there were only 100,000 of them left. How are people supposed to
take him seriously if he says things like that ? Churchill forgets to
point out that the 1920 census was probably highly inaccurate. At first
sight they appear impressive, but if you take a closer look at 'em...
>but he's reaching a little with that one; there's no
>concrete evidence that Hitler, Himmler et al based their actions on
>American Policy.
I don't actually think Hitler, Himmler et al actually did do this. Ihad
always thought his point was that their actions, according to his
research, were comparable.
Churchill's arguments provide food for thought and I think more
Americans should read them, if only to get a little taster of what way
some of the natives are thinking. However I think using misleading facts
only serves to discredit his arguments.
> (Oh, and I've read another post you wrote after this
>one, where you say that you think Ward is a far-out lunatic. Possibly.
>Read more of his books, though, and you'll see that he doesn't advocate
>violence except for reason of defense.
My experience in Northern Ireland has led me to believe that "defence"
is a very dodgy word. It's used here by both sides to excuse the
slaughter of people all over the place. I'm not saying that Churchill or
the AIM are advocating slaughter though.
> Read "Agents of Repression", if
>you haven't already, for a better explanation of AIM, and AIM's early
>beliefs. "Indians R Us" and "Fantasies of the Master Race" are also
>good.)
I have "Indians R Us" as I say, but most of these seem to be out of
print at the moment.
>> How many innocent people have the AIM killed ? I know of gunfights
>> between them and the FBI (eg the famous Leonard Peltier case) ...
>
>And here's where I admit to being a Leonard Peltier Support Group
>coordinator? Admitted.
>
>As for "innocent"...well, I've never considered those 2 FBI agents very
>innocent. Pawns perhaps, but not lily-white. And beyond those two
>agents, I can't think of anyone - innocent or guilty - whose death was
>attributable to AIM.
I don't want to argue about the relative innocence of FBI agents (dodgy
ground for a non American); what I would argue about is the innocence of
ordinary people, who aren't connected with anything at all. There are a
lot of those who have died in the conflict here in Northern Ireland at
the hands of the IRA and other organisations. I am worried about this a
little bit because the IRA regularly wheel out a few Navejo, Dineh, Hopi
people, a few South Africans etc, round here, and keep them in the dark
about this. The IRA paint themselves as a defensive organisation rather
like the AIM.
>> The IRA here are mostly (not everywhere, but mostly) thought of in the
>> same way as the people in the US who blow up abortion clinics.
>
>Hmmm...okay, I can see that. And how are the other paramilitary groups
>thought of - in the same way?
Yes. All of them. Sure, there are communities in which they are heavily
supported. Support for them tends to be highly concentrated in housing
estates, small geographical areas, etc. In those areas the paramilitary
organisations enforce their own laws with the help of baseball bats and
shotguns. Justice is dispensed by breaking someone's kneecaps, elbows or
neck. I really hope the AIM don't do this kind of thing.
>AIM essentially disarmed after Oglala (the Peltier shootout.) Nowadays
>they spend most of their time working in the communities, helping with
>education, medical clinics, etc. They hold the occasional protest
>parade (Columbus Day is pretty good for that), but...the lunatic days
>are pretty much over.
Thanks for the info.
>> Nope, this ain't the case for the IRA. The IRA got a hell of a lot of
>> it's money from Irish America. If it wasn't for Irish America the IRA
>> would barely exist.
>
>I was thinking more a long the lines of how this newsgroup would react
>to someone who came in here, announcing that I just *knew* I had a
>spiritual/psychic/emotional connection because my g-g-g-gramma was an
>Irish princess, because I love leprachauns and shamrocks, and "Toora
>Loora Loo" is my favorite song.
This actually happens here a few times. Yes, and they generally get
hammered by the people on here.
--
Brendan Heading
NB: Please remove spamguard to reply
"Isn't it about time we made life better for ordinary Irish
Terry McT.
> Terry McT. wrote:
> >
> > In article <36377055...@news.wwa.com>, Ger@r.d wrote:
> >
> > > Rose wrote:
> > >
> > > >Talk about a small world. At this rate, we could have our own SCI pub
> > > >meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
> > >
> > > Name yer date..
> > >
> >
> > How about "Bob"?
> >
>
> I've never liked "Bob"...how about "Jack"?
>
You are right! Jack's got a rogueish sound to it.
--
Terry
tam...@usl.edu
Kevin Dekan
>
> The Hellwigs wrote:
> >
> > Rose wrote:
> > > Whereabouts in Indiana? And Illinois for that matter. I live about two
> > > hours from Chicago and Ger Cunningham is currently living in Chicago.
> > > Everyone out here knows that I work at Notre Dame.
> > >
> >
> > So you're in the South Bend/Elkhart area? I'm west of Chicago - about
> > 50 miles, just a little south of Wisconsin, in Lake in the Hills.
> >
> > And I was born and raised in Indianapolis.
> >
> > Lisa Ann
>
> meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
Hey... I've been meaning to get down to the Windy City meself one
of these days. 'Bout a six hour drive from Eau Claire, WI.
I've always wanted to meet some SCI'ers in real life. Jerry Jacuzio
in particular. Chatted him up on the phone a couple times but haven't
had the opportunity to get down Carolina way.
-Kevin (predominantly a lurker)
> Rose
Rose
>
> In article <36375B...@interaccess.com>, lhe...@interaccess.com wrote:
>
> > Terry McT. wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <36377055...@news.wwa.com>, Ger@r.d wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rose wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > How about "Bob"?
> > >
> >
> > I've never liked "Bob"...how about "Jack"?
> >
>
> You are right! Jack's got a rogueish sound to it.
Jack's too simple. How about something like "Banner"? Or "Chase"?
I haven't seen Ger's responses to the meeting. I still don't get all
the posts. But I know he's answered thanks to Terry's posting. As for
the date, I guess it's a case of wait and see. Is it just going to be
the four of us or are more coming? Terry, if you're going to up this
way in all of your meanderings, let me know.
Rose
Terry McT.
> Terry McT. wrote:
> >
> > In article <36375B...@interaccess.com>, lhe...@interaccess.com wrote:
> >
> > > Terry McT. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <36377055...@news.wwa.com>, Ger@r.d wrote:
> > > >
[snipped]
> I haven't seen Ger's responses to the meeting. I still don't get all
> the posts. But I know he's answered thanks to Terry's posting. As for
> the date, I guess it's a case of wait and see. Is it just going to be
> the four of us or are more coming? Terry, if you're going to up this
> way in all of your meanderings, let me know.
>
I'm going to be meandering like heck, but mostly on the Gulf and East Coasts.
Oh, wait. Have I mentioned lately that I'm going to Ireland in less than
a month?
--
Terry
tam...@usl.edu
jak...@my-dejanews.com
"Hockersmith" <hock...@internetnw.net> wrote:
> Sutal wrote:
> > Welcome Lisa. (History repeats itself - at least in SCI.) ....looking
> Sutal! You gotta take a break, girl. You're gonna wear yourself out and
> then who'll help Sadie up the stairs???
And the corruption just continues and continues!
Lisa...just pour the hounds a beer. :)
She's right there, Lisa....you start with the belly and who knows where you'll
wind up. Take things VERY slowly with these hounds. They are insatiable.
--jake "Tu's maith leath na h-oibre."
Pat Naughton
Kevin Dekan (k...@sgi.com) writes:
> Rose wrote:
>>
>>
>> Talk about a small world. At this rate, we could have our own SCI pub
>> meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
>
> of these days. 'Bout a six hour drive from Eau Claire, WI.
> I've always wanted to meet some SCI'ers in real life. Jerry Jacuzio
> in particular. Chatted him up on the phone a couple times but haven't
> had the opportunity to get down Carolina way.
>
> -Kevin (predominantly a lurker)
Hello Kevin,
Pooka has a K in his name too.
Vote Pooka -- the candidate with a K in his name.
Pat
John Harrington
Terry McT. wrote in message ...
>
>Oh, wait. Have I mentioned lately that I'm going to Ireland in less than
>a month?
>
Just out of interest, what persuaded you to visit Ireland in November?
jak...@my-dejanews.com
lhe...@interaccess.com wrote:
> Terry McT. wrote:
> >
> > In article <36377055...@news.wwa.com>, Ger@r.d wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >Talk about a small world. At this rate, we could have our own SCI pub
> > > >meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > How about "Bob"?
> I've never liked "Bob"...how about "Jack"?
>
> Lisa
No, no. It's "Jake". and jake goes *with* Bob....that's my main squeeze. ;)
Of course, they *could* be talking about "another" Bob....that would be odd.
--jake "Tu/s maith leath na h-oibre."
jak...@my-dejanews.com
tam...@usl.edu (Terry McT.) wrote:
> In article <36377055...@news.wwa.com>, Ger@r.d wrote:
>
> > Rose wrote:
> >
> > >Talk about a small world. At this rate, we could have our own SCI pub
> > >meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
> >
> > Name yer date..
> >
>
> How about "Bob"?
Bob comes with me. We have to be in Chicago the 7th & 8th of November...can
we join you if that weekend is suitable???
--jake "Tu's maith leath na h-oibre."
Terry McT.
> In article <tam2731-2810...@spot.usl.edu>,
> tam...@usl.edu (Terry McT.) wrote:
> > In article <36377055...@news.wwa.com>, Ger@r.d wrote:
> >
> > > Rose wrote:
> > >
> > > >Talk about a small world. At this rate, we could have our own SCI pub
> > > >meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
> > >
> > > Name yer date..
> > >
> >
> > How about "Bob"?
>
> Bob comes with me. We have to be in Chicago the 7th & 8th of November...can
> we join you if that weekend is suitable???
>
Gee, on the 7th and 8th of November, I'll be laying out clothes to take on
my trip to Ireland just under two weeks later. Have I mentioned that I'm
going on vacation?
--
Terry
tam...@usl.edu
The Hellwigs
>
>(exchange & summary of Churchill's research snipped)
>
> He misleads people with dodgy facts. I quoted a few of them on this
> newsgroup without really thinking about what they were. For example the
> citation on the native population gleaned from the 1920 census, saying
> that there were only 100,000 of them left.
It's not as inaccurate as it appears, although this explanation will
sound as dodgy as Ward's statistics. (My book's downstairs and I'm too
lazy to go get it, so this is off the top of my head.) The US Gov't
deliberately implemented the concepts of blood quantum with the goal of
"breeding out" Indians. The number of Indians in the census in 1920
relied heavily on who was on the Dawes Rolls (itself a shoddy piece of
work, IMO), who was enrolled within a given nation, and who fit the
BIA's definition of Indian. (And I think at that time, anything less
than 1/4 meant that the gov't didn't think you were Indian, even if
you'd spent your entire life living on the res.) Ethnic
self-identification in the census didn't happen until the '60s (and then
it looked like there was an Indian population explosion.) So the
government figures - which scholars presumably can safely use in their
work - indicate that there were only 100,000 Indians alive and well in
the US in 1920. (And "well" may be overstating the case.)
Now, is that accurate? Nope. But I personally get a charge out of Ward
using the governments own figures against them (so to speak.) That
census was instrumental in allowing the gov't to declare huge chunks of
reservation land "surplus" and selling it off, thereby shrinking the
Indian's landbase.
So, yes, it's dodgy. But it's also accurate, according to the US
Government. He's using facts that can be easily confirmed, and less
easily dismissed in this case. It would be more likely that his
arguments would be discredited (by Euro-Americans) if he included the
entire picture; that countless people were wrongfully categorized, etc
etc. Basically, he can't win no matter what he writes.
> My experience in Northern Ireland has led me to believe that "defence"
> is a very dodgy word. It's used here by both sides to excuse the
> slaughter of people all over the place. I'm not saying that Churchill or
> the AIM are advocating slaughter though.
Well, I think they may have *fantasized* about it in the '70s, but no,
they didn't advocate slaughter. If you're interested in reading a
little more about this time, try Peter Mattheissen's book "In the Spirit
of Crazy Horse", which is a very detailed account of the Peltier Case.
(And it's still in print.) Also, Agents of Repression is still in print
as well...whether it's readily available in Ireland is another question
entirely.
>
> I don't want to argue about the relative innocence of FBI agents (dodgy
> ground for a non American); what I would argue about is the innocence of
> ordinary people, who aren't connected with anything at all. There are a
> lot of those who have died in the conflict here in Northern Ireland at
> the hands of the IRA and other organisations.
I will do my best to return your respect by not arguing the relative
guilt/innocence of groups/govt in Northern Ireland. And if I don't, I
have no doubt you'll remind me, right?
>I am worried about this a
> little bit because the IRA regularly wheel out a few Navejo, Dineh, Hopi
> people, a few South Africans etc, round here, and keep them in the dark
> about this. The IRA paint themselves as a defensive organisation rather
> like the AIM.
Well, there are two ways to think about this information...1) the Dineh
(aka Navajo) and Hopi folks being produced may or may not be who they
claim to be, so IRA is being bullshitted right back. (Playing Indian is
not limited to use screwed-up white folks in the US, I guess it's being
exported now.) 2) They may be fully aware of the IRA's history from the
'60s on and just don't have a problem with it. I seriously doubt, if
they are true Dineh or Hopi activists that they were just plucked from a
hogan on the Res and offered a free trip to Northern Ireland, knowing
absolutely nothing about the IRA. (What I do find amusing, in a very
sick, twisted way, is that I tend to think of the IRA as a Catholic
entity, and there is still a lot of bitterness in Indian Country about
the Catholic Church's role in Indian history. Strange bedfellows
indeed.) There are some people in AIM who had very close links to the
PLO and Quaddafi as well, and trust me, they weren't being duped, they
knew what it was about.
(snip)
If this is a conversation you want to continue, we should probably take
it to email rather than take up space here talking about what is turning
into "Lisa gives her Indian lectures".
Thanks!
Lisa Ann
jake
Terry McT. wrote:
Terry, I've looked at your picture....you seem like a very nice, sensible,
reasonable and lovely woman. We'd all like to go to Ireland *with* you
dear..... I cannot speak for everyone here, but you seem like you are just a
teensy bit "rubbing in" the fact....would that be the case? WELL......
If you continue down this road, I shall have no recourse than to take back my
endorsement of your wellie-wear, and leave you in rack and ruin. Now, go to your
room...pack, whatever....and later you can send us a picture or two so that we
have something to look at while we're crying in our beer.
--jake
The Hellwigs
>
> In article <718912$osr$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, jak...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > In article <tam2731-2810...@spot.usl.edu>,
> > tam...@usl.edu (Terry McT.) wrote:
> > > In article <36377055...@news.wwa.com>, Ger@r.d wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rose wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Talk about a small world. At this rate, we could have our own SCI pub
> > > > >meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
> > > >
> > > > Name yer date..
> > > >
> > >
> > > How about "Bob"?
> >
> > Bob comes with me. We have to be in Chicago the 7th & 8th of November...can
> > we join you if that weekend is suitable???
> >
>
> Gee, on the 7th and 8th of November, I'll be laying out clothes to take on
> my trip to Ireland just under two weeks later. Have I mentioned that I'm
> going on vacation?
>
> Terry
Hey, Terry, why didn't you mention you were going on vacation?
Lisa Ann
--
The Hellwigs
>
> In article <01be0239$80e78300$147bc8cc@default>,
> "Hockersmith" <hock...@internetnw.net> wrote:
> > Sutal wrote:
> > > Welcome Lisa. (History repeats itself - at least in SCI.) ....looking
>
> > Sutal! You gotta take a break, girl. You're gonna wear yourself out and
> > then who'll help Sadie up the stairs???
>
> And the corruption just continues and continues!
>
> Lisa...just pour the hounds a beer. :)
>
> She's right there, Lisa....you start with the belly and who knows where you'll
> wind up. Take things VERY slowly with these hounds. They are insatiable.
>
Hey, I got my hands so full opening beer cans, I couldn't rub anything
even if I wanted to. With my cats when I'm too lazy to bend over, I use
my foot...think anyone would object to my foot in their belly? If I
keep my balance, there's rarely any danger.
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
> Hey... I've been meaning to get down to the Windy City meself one
> of these days. 'Bout a six hour drive from Eau Claire, WI.
Eau Claire? You have my sympathies.. I saw the worst pint of Guinness
in the Universe there one night.
Alan D Red
>Gee, on the 7th and 8th of November, I'll be laying out clothes to take on
>my trip to Ireland just under two weeks later. Have I mentioned that I'm
>going on vacation?
>--
>Terry
>tam...@usl.edu
Go to Glencolmcille in November. Its a treat.
honest.
Rose
>
> Kevin Dekan (k...@sgi.com) writes:
> > Rose wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Talk about a small world. At this rate, we could have our own SCI pub
> >> meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
> >
> > of these days. 'Bout a six hour drive from Eau Claire, WI.
> > in particular. Chatted him up on the phone a couple times but haven't
> > had the opportunity to get down Carolina way.
> >
> > -Kevin (predominantly a lurker)
>
> Hello Kevin,
>
> Pooka has a K in his name too.
>
> Vote Pooka -- the candidate with a K in his name.
>
> Pat
So does Corky. And, unlike a rabbit, he has a voice to be heard with.
Vote him.
Rose
Rose
>
> In article <tam2731-2810...@spot.usl.edu>,
> tam...@usl.edu (Terry McT.) wrote:
> > In article <36377055...@news.wwa.com>, Ger@r.d wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >Talk about a small world. At this rate, we could have our own SCI pub
> > > >meeting. Maybe somewhere around Chicago. Ger would know where to go.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > How about "Bob"?
>
> Bob comes with me. We have to be in Chicago the 7th & 8th of November...can
> we join you if that weekend is suitable???
>
taping here in the Law School that morning. And they usually never tell
me for sure until the day before.
Rose
Pat Naughton
Rose (Ros...@nd.edu) writes:
> Pat Naughton wrote:
>>
>> Hello Kevin,
>>
>> Pooka has a K in his name too.
>>
>> Vote Pooka -- the candidate with a K in his name.
>>
>> Pat
>
> So does Corky. And, unlike a rabbit, he has a voice to be heard with.
> Vote him.
Pooka has a voice; he's just not loud. He grunt/hums and chirps in a
rabbity way. He even talks to himself when he's trying to figure
something out. For instance if you put a barricade up temporarily to
keep him out of a room or keep him downstairs, he keeps muttering "Hunh!"
to himself as he's inspecting it and trying to find a way past it (which
he usually does).
If he really wants to be heard though, he thumps his foot. If you still
don't pay attention, he escalates, thumping louder and louder. If that
doesn't work, he jumps into your lap. He definitely makes himself heard.
Don't let his beauty and his gentle demeanour fool you.
Vote Pooka -- he WILL be heard!
Pat
Kevin Dekan
>
> Kevin Dekan wrote:
>
> > Hey... I've been meaning to get down to the Windy City meself one
> > of these days. 'Bout a six hour drive from Eau Claire, WI.
>
> in the Universe there one night.
Heh, heh. Can't argue with you there. Was it on Water St.
by any chance? There are a couple of places that try to
serve Guinness on tap down there and it is complete and
total shite. I have to survive on the canned stuff. Which
actually isn't too terribly bad. By the by... when were
you in Eau Claire?
-Kevin
Terry McT.
> Terry McT. wrote:
> >
> > In article <718912$osr$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, jak...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
[snipped]
> > > > > Name yer date..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > How about "Bob"?
> > >
> > > Bob comes with me. We have to be in Chicago the 7th & 8th of
November...can
> > > we join you if that weekend is suitable???
> > >
> >
> > Gee, on the 7th and 8th of November, I'll be laying out clothes to take on
> > my trip to Ireland just under two weeks later. Have I mentioned that I'm
> > going on vacation?
> >
>
>
> Hey, Terry, why didn't you mention you were going on vacation?
>
It must have slipped my mind! Have I said that the trip is to Ireland so
that I may irritate Irish people in person rather than just through the
Internet? ;) I can't wait to prove to Unki/Shero that I'm the shy one in
my family.
--
Terry
tam...@usl.edu
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>> Eau Claire? You have my sympathies.. I saw the worst pint of Guinness
>> in the Universe there one night.
>
> Heh, heh. Can't argue with you there. Was it on Water St.
> by any chance?
Dunno where it was. Some student trap anyway. Pint pulled in one go,
no head, nightmares for weeks. I hadn't the heart to explain to the
person who bought it why I'd been drinking bottled all night, &
quietly disposed of the pint a few minutes later.
>There are a couple of places that try to
> serve Guinness on tap down there and it is complete and
> total shite. I have to survive on the canned stuff. Which
> actually isn't too terribly bad. By the by... when were
> you in Eau Claire?
About two and a half years ago.
Sweeney the Wanderer
>
> Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin wrote:
> >
> > cris wrote:
> >
> > >jak...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
> > ><713e6n$ugn$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > >
> > >>Welcome, Lisa.
> > >
> > >
> > >Ditto. Though there's something about your last name that makes me jump
> > >every time :)
> >
> > Especially as she's a merkin.
> >
>
> Hellwig? What's to make you jump?
>
> Lisa Ann
Just you wait dear!
Sweeney
The Hellwigs
Sigh...I've already been told, there are two caterwauling German sisters
tormenting y'all, using my name. Or, rather, my husband's name.
Hmmm...Time to use one of my "other" last names? Okay, which one
wouldn't make y'all flinch - Stalnaker, Bloomfield or McElfresh? (All of
which were my mom's last names, at one time or another....)
Terry McT.
> Sweeney the Wanderer wrote:
> >
> > The Hellwigs wrote:
> > >
[snipped]
> >
> > Just you wait dear!
> >
> > Sweeney
>
>
> Sigh...I've already been told, there are two caterwauling German sisters
> tormenting y'all, using my name. Or, rather, my husband's name.
> Hmmm...Time to use one of my "other" last names? Okay, which one
> wouldn't make y'all flinch - Stalnaker, Bloomfield or McElfresh? (All of
> which were my mom's last names, at one time or another....)
>
Uh, there might be another one they're thinking of, too. Hellwig can be
broken down into Hell Wig. Americans are fondly and not so fondly called
Merkins on various parts of the Internet. Look up what a merkin is in the
dictionary. You'll see a link.
--
Terry
tam...@usl.edu
Sweeney the Wanderer
Yeah, that's where I was heading....
Sweeney
Terry McT.
> Terry McT. wrote:
> >
> > In article <3638A8...@interaccess.com>, lhe...@interaccess.com wrote:
> >
> > > Sweeney the Wanderer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Hellwigs wrote:
[snipped]
> > Uh, there might be another one they're thinking of, too. Hellwig can be
> > broken down into Hell Wig. Americans are fondly and not so fondly called
> > Merkins on various parts of the Internet. Look up what a merkin is in the
> > dictionary. You'll see a link.
>
> Yeah, that's where I was heading....
>
Great minds think alike, dear Sweeney. :)
--
Terry
tam...@usl.edu
Kevin Dekan
>
> Kevin Dekan wrote:
>
> >> Eau Claire? You have my sympathies.. I saw the worst pint of Guinness
> >> in the Universe there one night.
> >
> > Heh, heh. Can't argue with you there. Was it on Water St.
> > by any chance?
>
> Dunno where it was. Some student trap anyway. Pint pulled in one go,
> no head, nightmares for weeks. I hadn't the heart to explain to the
> person who bought it why I'd been drinking bottled all night, &
> quietly disposed of the pint a few minutes later.
Yeah, probably was the University section of town. Wise man
for getting rid of the piss.
> >There are a couple of places that try to
> > serve Guinness on tap down there and it is complete and
> > total shite. I have to survive on the canned stuff. Which
> > actually isn't too terribly bad. By the by... when were
> > you in Eau Claire?
>
> About two and a half years ago.
Well, it's nice to know you got a chance to visit the area
I was born and raised in. The boring shitehole that it is.
My job & family keep me around here for the most part.
You know I visited the fair area you are from last year.
Hoping to make a return trip next spring. April or May.
Doubt the weather is much different in either month.
Have some folks up around Dungloe that I'd like
to see again. Perhaps I'll have you steer me towards some
points of interest in Donegal. Probably slide down thru
Unkidom as well. Wheee heee!!
-Kevin (who's debating whether to vote for Pooka or not)
Rose
<snipped - interesting info on rabbit noises>
I've never heard a rabbit say anything. The thumping I've been aware of
since Bambi.
That's interesting.
Still, VOTE CORKY
Rose
The Hellwigs
(Hints about my name snipped)
I know what a Merkin is (both meanings), although I didn't quite make
that connection right away!
I just can't seem to get away from this...my maiden name was Stalnaker,
which my schoolmates *always* corrupted to "Stark Naked"...and now
Hellwig...What to do, what to do? I think I'll go through my family
tree and find a nice, innocuous name to borrow for awhile...of course,
Cunningham is out, I've already seen that altered here...McElfresh
usually incites extremely lame jokes about fresh mackeral...
Okay, I've decided; the hell with last names, if Cher doesn't need one,
why do I? Just think of me as Lisa (no last name). Now let's see if I
remember how to change my settings...
Lisa Ann
John McCormack
Rose wrote:
Can I enter a negative vote ?, i.e. vote against that damn mutt Corky, and
so cancel out someone elses vote for Corky ?. I feel I need to do this as
Rose is driving me mad. Herself and her babbling girlfriends are producing
far too much white noise here.
The Hellwigs
>
> Uh, there might be another one they're thinking of, too. Hellwig can be
> broken down into Hell Wig. Americans are fondly and not so fondly called
> Merkins on various parts of the Internet. Look up what a merkin is in the
> dictionary. You'll see a link.
>
> --
Ah...yes, I see the link...it's okay, "Hellwig" is just a sly way of
saying "Don't fuck with me"...there, that takes care of both the
caterwauling German sisters and the southern toupee, right?
Gregory
> I know what a Merkin is (both meanings), although I didn't quite make
> that connection right away!
Like the pubic wig thing?
Gregory
Gregory
> Can I enter a negative vote ?, i.e. vote against that damn mutt Corky, and
> so cancel out someone elses vote for Corky ?. I feel I need to do this as
> Rose is driving me mad. Herself and her babbling girlfriends are producing
> far too much white noise here.
We need to dump the babes and get back to talking about greasing our
arses and fishing.
Gregory
jak...@my-dejanews.com
John McCormack <jpm...@otsi.com> wrote:
>
>
> Rose wrote:
>
> > Pat Naughton wrote:
> >
> > <snipped - interesting info on rabbit noises>
> >
> > I've never heard a rabbit say anything. The thumping I've been aware of
> > since Bambi.
> >
> > That's interesting.
> >
> > Still, VOTE CORKY
> >
> > Rose
>
> so cancel out someone elses vote for Corky ?. I feel I need to do this as
> Rose is driving me mad. Herself and her babbling girlfriends are producing
> far too much white noise here.
We can rap in street-slag if you'd like Johnny.
--jake
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Pat Naughton
Oh, please do, Kevin. I think the only other vote he's got is mine.
Vote Pooka -- Going for two!
Pat
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>Perhaps I'll have you steer me towards some
> points of interest in Donegal.
Have I mentioned a wee place called Glencolmcille?
Alan D Red
>Rose wrote:
>> Pat Naughton wrote:
>>
>> <snipped - interesting info on rabbit noises>
>>
>> I've never heard a rabbit say anything. The thumping I've been aware of
>> since Bambi.
>>
>> That's interesting.
>>
>> Still, VOTE CORKY
>>
>> Rose
>Can I enter a negative vote ?, i.e. vote against that damn mutt Corky, and
>so cancel out someone elses vote for Corky ?. I feel I need to do this as
>Rose is driving me mad. Herself and her babbling girlfriends are producing
>far too much white noise here.
A vote for Corky is a vote for mutant animals
everywhere!
Kevin Dekan
>
> Kevin Dekan wrote:
>
> >Perhaps I'll have you steer me towards some
> > points of interest in Donegal.
>
> Have I mentioned a wee place called Glencolmcille?
Aye, that you have Ger. How far away is that from
say, Donegal town? I did see the website of the
portal dolmen you posted on another thread. Looks
very interesting. Glencolmcille must be right along
the coast. Sounds lovely.
-Kevin
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin wrote:
>> Have I mentioned a wee place called Glencolmcille?
>
> Aye, that you have Ger. How far away is that from
> say, Donegal town? I did see the website of the
> portal dolmen you posted on another thread.
Speaking of which, I got my stones confused. Cairnmor is a court
carin, not a series of portal tombs. Wrong pic entirely.
eala liath
- - ->Can I enter a negative vote ?, i.e. vote against that damn mutt
Corky, and
- - ->so cancel out someone elses vote for Corky ?. I feel I need to
do this as
- - ->Rose is driving me mad. Herself and her babbling girlfriends
are producing
- - ->far too much white noise here.
Be glad you can't SMELL the noise from you lads.
We have charcoal filters on our killfile lids.
... ...
-0 0-
eala *v*
\___/
eala liath
- - -> -Kevin (predominantly a lurker)
Hello Kevin Dekan,
My Dearg has a D in her name too, and I'm really mostly a lurker
except for poetry jags, dog comps, recipes which require tea and/or
illicit distillations, and maybe a war against constipational irony if
I get time.
Support lurkers, literature, libations and literality.
Vote D E A R G.
eala liath
Clement McGann
>Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin wrote:
>> >Perhaps I'll have you steer me towards some
>> > points of interest in Donegal.
> Aye, that you have Ger. How far away is that from
> say, Donegal town? I did see the website of the
> very interesting. Glencolmcille must be right along
> the coast. Sounds lovely.
> -Kevin
>
but do go, just keep going west along the coast
until you can go no further
- - -
When you are there, stay at the only hotel
cairnmore is near it
tell us how large it is
and confirm that Ger's pictures are misleading
- - -
seriously - if you want to get away from everything - go
Kevin Dekan
> Kevin, don't measure it in miles, the roads are not good
> but do go, just keep going west along the coast
> until you can go no further
> - - -
Thanks Clement! I've a pretty good map at home and perhaps
it will have it on there. And now I have a pretty good idea
where it must be. If all else fails when I'm up in Donegal
I'll just ask around. That seemed to work pretty good the
last time...
> When you are there, stay at the only hotel
> cairnmore is near it
> tell us how large it is
> and confirm that Ger's pictures are misleading
> - - -
Ah... I surely will. Now I'm getting all anxious to
go. Too bad I've got to suffer thru a Wisconsin winter
first. Spring will not come soon enough!
> seriously - if you want to get away from everything - go
After the shite I've been putting up with here at work
lately--it sounds *perfect*.
-Kevin
Happy Halloween Everyone!
Sutal
In article <718289$ev7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, jak...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> Sutal! You gotta take a break, girl. You're gonna wear yourself out and
>> then who'll help Sadie up the stairs???
I find that posting in SCI somehow helps the twitch in my eye to abate. (It is
my right eye, by the way).
Being Sadie's campaign manager is keeping me from being tied up in a straight
jacket and *committed* to the local loony hotel, so just let me do what I need
to do to stay out of that place.
The last time I was there there were enormous insects, bigger than people,
crawling around and no one understood me when I made up my own language. It
sounded a bit like gaelic, actually... (bringing the thread back on topic).
I suppose weaving baskets might be alright, though. I'll think about it,
possibly check out the arts and craft program at Fairfax.
Thank you for understanding.
~~~ Are we there yet? ~~~
Terry McT.
> Terry McT. wrote:
>
> (Hints about my name snipped)
>
>
> I know what a Merkin is (both meanings), although I didn't quite make
> that connection right away!
>
> I just can't seem to get away from this...my maiden name was Stalnaker,
> which my schoolmates *always* corrupted to "Stark Naked"...and now
> Hellwig...What to do, what to do?
Avoid hypenation, for a start. ;)
--
Terry
tam...@usl.edu
fla...@dnet.co.uk
>--
>Terry
>tam...@usl.edu
Hypenation??? Hymenation????? Imagination runs
on........................